You missed the most emotional part of the entire film.. When he goes back to Stark's kid and he asks her.. 'Do you need anything?' - and she is sitting there and says she wants a cheese burger and he says 'i'll get you all the cheese burgers you want'.. and he begins to cry. This is exactly what stark says to him in the first iron man movie when he gets back after being tortured..
Hawkeye going back to the past is a huge one for me that wasn’t brought up here. He doesn’t care if it breaks space and time, he’d do anything to leave the life he’s lived and see them again.
When Tony died.... That was after my dad died on Easter Weekend that year. That ending fking got me. That scene got me DEEP. I cried bros. That's almost like saying bye to my dad all over again. It brings the feels back all over again.
Dr Stange was a genius! He didn't just save this reality he saved alternate timelines from even suffering the Snap at all because he knew a past Thanos would come to the future for the Stones and die preventing him from returning to a point in time to do his thing. This reality/timeline is the only one that suffered the Snap, and in the end 'the Blip,' while ALL OTHERS are safe!
They didn't defeat Thanos, they executed him for his crimes. On Cap...I like to think that the past few years involved Peggy saying "Young you is on the news again!" And Cap saying, "Are you counting?"
Also, when Thanos' army is dusted, you can also see Proxima Midnight cradling Corvus Glaive in the background as they dust together. I like that little touch: the movies never had the opportunity to get into their relationship in depth.
As a bigger guy with Thor's kind of body type in this film I really didn't care that it was played for laughs. It was far less mean than shows or movies often are with overweight people. And ultimately by the end of thenmovie it was still handled very well when Thor got his groove back. And as Thor is my favourite Avenger I can now feel much more body positive about cosplaying as him because that moment where he has both Mjolnir and Storm Breaker is possibly one of his most epic moments in the whole franchise.
Totally!! Not everyone is epically ripped all the time. That takes quite a lot of commitment to physique. Every single day. Plus an exact diet. It’s nice to see a “god” relatable. Body type shouldn’t be the determining factor in a person’s value. I think that may be what you mean by how mean spirited “shows and movies” treat regular people. Most of us aren’t models. But we can still absolutely be beautiful and/or heroic.
I think old Cap should have been Stan Lee, to explain all the cameos across the franchise, as Steve keeping an eye on things without anyone knowing it was him.
Thanos thinking to grab the power stone from the gauntlet and blasting Danvers was a good bit of foreshadowing--and a hint to Tony?--of what Tony had to do.
I'm more of a lurker on this channel than anything, but I sure am glad to have found your channel this year. Always nice to hear you analyze the films and games you do. Merry Christmas.
-Captain Marvel shouldn't be in the movie -Time travel handled VERY poorly -Having there be a '2nd Thanos' and '2nd Gamora' and '2nd Nebula' and brief appearances of dupes of so many people REALLY lessens the weight of what happens to all of them....and we trade in fully developed and complex Thanos for cardboard cutout villain Thanos. I would have had the film be more of a "Mission to planet Thanos to retrieve the Gauntlet with the stones that Thanos has stashed away"...you largely go through a lot of the same beats, but instead of everything sorting through their issues with past selves, fathers, mothers, etc....instead you have them sort things out with each other. Maybe Cap helps Tony finally bury some of the lingering issues he has about his father. Maybe Thor gets help and guidance from Hulk or something. I also like the idea of Thor collecting the handle and all of the pieces of Mjolnir that was destroyed, carrying them around in a little pouch around his waist....and REFORGING Mjolnir from the broken pieces with his own lightning energy. It would be very overt symbolism of Thor picking up the broken pieces of his life and restoring himself to his former glory. That way you still get mjolnir into Cap's hands for the finale. Black Widow dies on the mission to retrieve the guantlet, but in doing so ensures the success of the mission. Maybe they THINK they've killed Thanos in the process, she dies thinking she just stopped Thanos and saved everyone. They get back to Earth, but Thanos isn't dead, he tracks and follows them back to Earth...and we pretty much have the same exact final act that we have in the finished film....only we get there without a bunch of bullcrap time travel and cameos from a bunch of dead characters. At the END, Cap simply asks Doctor Strange to use the Time Stone to send him back to be with Peggy. So you still get the epilogue with old Cap. Only he should pass the torch to Bucky.
Something I personally would have loved to have seen is Old Steve at the end played by Stan Lee. How cool would that have been, especially in light of what had just happened at the time.
Is it a bad thing if I kinda wish Thanos had won in the end? Not because I think he was right, but because they brought up acceptance and moving on several times, and that's the only solution in life when you lose people you really care about (I'm speaking as someone who's lost several people I care about a lot, all of them without any warning). My other thought was, what if they CAN bring everyone back, but only by turning back the clock so that everything anyone has gained since Thanos snapped his fingers would be undone. Tony and Pepper would lose their daughter, to name just one thing. I don't hate the ending we got, but I strongly dislike the idea of bringing people back from the dead in general. It really, really cheapens the impact of the deaths and always makes me wonder what the point in killing them was if they were just going to be brought back. I think either one of the above options would've made for a more interesting finale.
He was an evil psychopath, who wanted to genocide all of existence, in order to create "the universe" in his image. A place where he exists as God, and nobody knows the true history of their existence. He is quite literally worse than HitIer.......
33 seconds in and I have to pause: half of all life. That makes me think: livestock and crops. Cut the foodstuffs in half, cut the production, and you get starvation. Especially when the people are restored but the production and transportation/delivery lines are not. War, famine, pestilence, undoing the snap does not mean everything’s fine. Now to hit play again.
I'll be writing this comment as you speak on your video. It's probably going to be long. Half of all life. I think it's one of those situations or scenarios that we understand, but we cannot truly comprehend. Half of all life in the universe. GONE!! "I lost the kid" That hit me more than I could possibly express. Even now, almost two years later, every time I watch that scene, that line hits me. And then cap response is "Tony we lost", the absolute tone of defeat in his voice. Shivering. Then we have the scene where they discuss what happened. There's this bit that always shocks me because it puts in perspective just how freaking powerful Thanos truly was. Cap says, "Tony you fought him", and Starks responds with "Who said I fought him? No, he wiped my face with a planet" obviously referencing the meteor shower he created. Think about that. Just think about that. Yes, Thor in the background. Silent. And more importantly, already eating and drinking. Thor saying "I went for the head". It's an amazing line for two reasons. One, it's nice cheeky reference to infinity war, and it's kind of funny at face value. The theater I went to started laughing so much at that. However, there's the undertone behind it. The way he's says it, he sounds so broken. An excellent reflection of how gone he truly is. The one tiny speck of hope that he had to amend, gone. Just as he is. And he goes for the head. Here's my one and only problem with Joe Russo being in this movie, and I'm aware is a huge nit pick. Still bothers me. He appeared in Civil War as the doctor killed by Zemo. The one that had to interview Bucky. My brain finds it difficult to process. He was dead, and now he's alive. Again, huge nit pick. Moving on. The rat that saved the universe. I know it's a huge coincidence (and there are admittedly plenty within the film), but I don't mind it. 14 000 605 possible futures Strange saw. You know how many of those the rat missed the button? Paul Rudd/Scott Lang. He is in my opinion the highlight of this film. I'm not gonna go and write everything about him I love because then this comment will be longer than it already will be, but he is amazing. Every scene he is in I simply love. With that being said, his meeting with Casey. Oh my God. The way he says "you're so big". He is incredibly happy, but you can hear the regret or sadness resulting from realizing all the time he missed. Time that they will never get back. Fat Thor. I don't mind that. I think it serves both purposes. Funny at face value, but the undertone it's very dark. "They got Thanos, you get me!" Barton's life those 5 years and his motivations in one line. Short but very effective. Time travel. Honestly, I'm not gonna get into it. Again, long comment doesn't need to get even longer. All I'm gonna say is that it actually makes sense to me. The important thing to remember is that it's removing the infinity stones what creates branches, not people's actions. Bring the stones back, cut the branches, everything aligns again, changes made by people included. That's how I see it, and it makes sense to me. Besides, it's time travel. Technically something that doesn't have a real life parallel to compare and criticize it. Moving on. Act 4: Celebration. I couldn't agree more with that title. This is fan service done right. This is Marvel Studios saying, rejoice and bask in our glory. Freaking amazing. Past Thanos. It's amazing. I love this iteration. His first scene speaks volumes. He returns to Sanctuary and casually cleans the blood from his blade, and still there's some blood splattered all over his armor and face. This is the Thanos that hasn't experience Infinity War. He is just a bloodthirsty warmonger. He is awesome. "You need to be who you really are, not who you are expected to be" I've never been one to seek inspirational phrases or whatnot, but that line spoke volumes to me on a deeply personal level. Ok, enough about me. "Do we know if she had any family? Yeah, us". Powerful. Very powerful. Also, her movie is set after civil war. Just saying because you sound as if her movie is a resurrection of the character. I like how useful and knowledgeable Rocket is in this film. He's always been that way, but that's accentuated in this film. I like how he tells Stark "you're only a genius here on Earth" Subtle line. Plays for laughs, but if you think about it, the universe, its inhabitants, and its technology are huge. Ok, so the final battle. There's only a couple of things I'll say about this. Before that, there's something important about Thanos I want to point out. Notice how he sits and waits for someone else, in this case Nebula, to go and bring the stones to him. It's subtle, but that's the moment this Thanos lost. Why? Because this is not the Thanos that truly works for what he wants. This Thanos hasn't realized that he and his will alone are what will guarantee his victory. Instead, he sits and waits. I'm probably reading to much into this, but I feel it adds to his character, both the one in Infinity War and in this film. Now, on to the final battle. 1. Cap lifting the hammer. Freaking amazing. I'm from Costa Rica. We generally are not loud in the theaters. Not for this movie, and definitely not for that scene. As a side note, I finally understand how amazing of an experience a loud audience in a theater could be. Also, completely agree with your sentiment. Seeing Captain Rogers standing alone against that army. CHILLS. 2. The portals scene. I don't have the words to express how much this scene means to me. Seeing all my favorite characters there, all coming together to fight the most difficult threat as of yet. But more importantly, from a logistically standpoint, the fact that they are all there. Tears of absolute joy fill my face whenever I see that and listen that score in the background. 3. Wanda vs Thanos. "You took everything from me" The way Olsen delivers that line. Absolute chills. Of course she then proceeds to mop the floor with him. He has no other alternative, he needs to rain fire. 4. The women coming together scene. I don't have a problem with this scene because of political and societal reasons. I actually really like this scene. I get excited. I'm a male, and I love this characters regardless of gender, of course I get excited to see them. My problem is that Carol Danvers does not need the back up. It's freaking Captain Marvel, a living nuclear warhead. Instead, imagine if the one that had the gaunlet was Nebula. Imagine if she was the one in charge of delivering the gaunlet. It would have made a lot of sense for his character arc, the one she's been experiencing in this very film, but also the other girls coming together to help an injured Nebula would have made for a much more compelling action scene. 5. Tony's death. The way Strange lifts his finger indicating this is the one, as in one in 14 million. Parker telling him they won. And Pepper telling him he can rest. Nothing to add there. 6. Yes. Thanos sitting down, a perfect mirror of the way he sat down at the end of Infinity War, and just silently turning to dust. A fitting end for an amazing character. I'd like to think there was nothing in his mind. Probably acceptance, but not of defeat itself. More like, the Universe has decided. "That's destiny fulfilled" as he said in a previous scene. The end of the film. There's nothing I can say, except, I want to watch that Captain America film where he returns the stones. I want to see that. Probably not gonna happen, but a man can dream. All in all, I LOVE THIS FILM. A great conclusion to the first decade of the MCU, and I cannot wait to see what the future holds. As an aside, you recorded this not knowing what 2020 had in store for us. This is a great Christmas gift.
32:00 From what I can tell, it's not the infinity stones specifically that keep existence together. The ancient one refers to the time stone as their valued weapon, so I took it to be important from that sense. This time period needs the stones to so they can be used to keep their universe relatively intact. The canon timeline not having infinity stones doesn't matter to it. Also there's this idea that since the stones are part of some primordial force, the infinity stones will eventually reform as part of some cosmic sense of balance.
I always thought that Fury should have arrived with the helicarrier, after Marvel took down the ship. Also I missed Lady Sif, she should have been in the end fight.
Having thought about the Nat and Clint scene for quite a bit. My intuition was that Nat would go, for 2 reasons. 1st. Her Red Room surgery that left her infertile, When she's old and broken up she's not going to have much connection to people who haven't lived her life. 2nd. Clint has a real family to go back to and he deserves that chance.
I think the ending of Tony Starks arc is one of the best moments in movie history. It's the perfect emotional mix of sadness, hope, joy... all at once. It's such a human moment. And it is backed by years of development and insights into his character. Right from the the moment Fury first talks to him about the Avengers Initiative up to the snap. With all the flaws these movies have this end just works on all levels for me. And the same way other franchises are dragged down by a bad ending, this ending lifts the whole franchise up. I also think the film marks the end of an era. I really felt that when I was watching Endgame in the Theater. I didn't even think about waiting to see if there is a credit scene. It was very clear: this is the end of the MCU. This was the final chapter. Yeah there will be more movies but nothing will come close to this. And with all the politics and health stuff going on, who knows if the US film industry will ever be the same again and able to produce such a masterpiece. Happy X-max to all, especially you Mr. Lorerunner. It's always a special joy to listen to your thoughts and feel your true appreciation for the works.
I’ve read a few post-Endgame articles. According to Feige and the Russo Brothers, the fate of Captain America was already set. The old Steve Rogers sitting there had already lived through what the younger had experienced. It has been confirmed that the picture Rogers saw next to old Peggy in Winter Soldier was Peggy and the children next to her were in fact Steve’s children. One can only assume that Rogers was able to stay in the background and allow events of the next 75 years to unfold.
Oh, man... I cried most of the screen time of this movie. I was sobbing by the final battle. For me, the story arc of Tony and Peter is the best character development ever presented on the silver screen. It really feels like "a part of history being made". You talked about the difference in the European theater audience and their reactions. Well, guess what. MCU is actually what changed that stereotype and Endgame was the grand finale of that change. Anyway... I'm kinda new here, but I've watched a bunch of your vids already. Very unique take on an analyze type of a video, really like it. Now, excuse me, I have to rewatch this amazing piece of a movie.
59:30 she already knows about that its one of the things i love about her and stranges first meeting she is smirking because she knows exactly how he will act, but ive made fun of the eather stone one so many times ""hi miss Foster you dont know me but HEY look over there [points finger] [stabs in butt] sorry it was for the best"" as he runs off.
I've been waiting for this moment! Okay so Thor's whole character development in this movie is amazing and it's an incredible deconstruction of Thor from a mythological perspective as well as in universe for Marvel. His position as an Asgardian has always been the defender of the nine realms, the one who always kills the giant. Asgard was already gone and now he's failed again, and this time there's nothing he can do, no giant to slay, not magic he can use to bring everyone back. It's pretty obvious, but Thor's scene with Frigg is my favorite scene in the movie.
Two thoughts that jump out at me. First is about Scott's time skip, and the second is about Barton & Widow's platonic relationship. Regarding the idea of "I don't know how to imagine that. If someone that, like, left my life years ago, suddenly comes back in, looking exactly the same. That's just -- I don't even know how to process that.", I strongly recommend the 1986 film "Flight of the Navigator", which was all about the relativistic time dilation of lightspeed travel, and had the main protagonist thus find the world around him 8 years in the future from "yesterday". And regarding "Do you know how rare it is to see a male and a female have an extremely strong relationship that is utterly unromantic?", I can only point to "Murder She Wrote", and Jessica Fletcher's splendidly platonic best friend, Doctor. Seth Hazlitt.
The "how would a person mentally deal with a lost loved one coming back like nothing happened" is similar in most ways to a loved one in a long coma. Past that I can assume that the reverse of the 5 stages of grief would occur. Because you'd be in shock, absolute giddy high, try to bargain or be afraid of losing them again. Have an anger moment when something percievable as a "moment that looks like they disappeared again even briefly" occurs, will cause a panic and somewhere in there would disbelief then acceptance. Then life goes on like normal. I'd state that everyone included would feel that. Both those that were 'lucky' enough to stay for 5 years and moved on, to the people who came back and lost 5 years of time. Having that break in reality would ALWAYS have them question, in the back of their minds, whether it would happen again and would be overbearing and dictate how they would live after that.
Like normal I love these videos. I absolutely agree that the captain ending scene was not planned well... Thanks for all of the MCU ruminations. They were really quite interesting.
Don't be too hard on your snaps Lore. Truth be told, I have NEVER successfully snapped my fingers! No really. There are 1 or 2 times I made a sound slightly louder than a near-inaudible skin rubbing sound, but that is it! I don't know why. Maybe my finger strength is too weak? Maybe my fingers were too calloused? Or too soft? Or too dirty? Too oily? Too clean? Maybe I've been doing it wrong? Maybe I just can't. (After all, many people can't curl their tongue. - I can!) I have tried snapping off & on over my life, but it just doesn't work for some reason. So yeah, your snaps were just fine!
I think a 30 min clip of Cap returning all the stones would be interesting...especially when he goes to Asguard and Odin and Himdale are waiting, they see him holding the hammer and you get a quick aside from Odin about how it took long enough for a human to lift it.
I tend to think of this movie as Ant-Man 3 as much as the last Avenger's movie. Heist and all that. I always wondered how Cap uses lightning with Mjolnir, especially after Odin and the rest of Thor: Ragnorok emphasized that Mjolnir was just a tool for focusing Thor's power. I choose to believe that the last thing Thor did before giving up the throne was declare Steve Rodgers the God of Hammers. It's worth remembering that Cap probably has as many Pym particles as he needs now. He can take 10 years getting the stones back at the right time if that's what it takes, which makes it all just a little more reasonable to me. I was happy with the end to Cap's arc, if not the execution of it. He really should've just appeared on the return pad. Can you tell Cap is my favorite of the original cast? This movie hit its emotional beats perfectly at every stage, and that probably more than anything else is why it will be remembered so fondly. Fantastic video for the record, as always Lore. Hearing your thoughts on these was very fun. Did you have to plan to have this out on Christmas day, or was it just a happy coincidence?
Stupid to cry during a movie? Especially this movie, which was literally the culmination of 11 years, 30-some movies, pretty much 1/3 of my life. The third of my life where I met my wife, lost all of my grandparents, and we had our first child? Nothing wrong with that...that's a huge portion of EVERYONE'S life, especially if you were a massive comic fan like I am. The MCU has some exceptionally good emotional beats. GotG, Vol. 2's ending with Yondu had me bawling at 7 AM while watching it with my 9 day old daughter in my arms (I was up holding her so my wife could get some much needed sleep upstairs). Nearly every movie has them. Heck, when Loki finally allows his glamer to fail in "The Dark World" when Thor and he commiserate about Friga's death, that was emotional, and you were a robot if you didn't feel that brotherly bond they have there. However, this movie had all of them. Friga and Howard Stark's scenes hit everyone. What I wouldn't give for one last chance to tell my Grandmother and Paw Paw how much they meant to me, or to spend one last day playing video games or have a final dinner with friends I had who died all too young in Iraq and Afghanistan. I'm sure a large portion of the audience totally understood the hopelessness and loss that Hawkeye feels when Black Widow makes the choice to sacrifice herself for him and the others. Tony's sacrifice at the end. His final message for his daughter (as a dad, that one hit me so hard, that was the moment in the theater me and my friend lost it finally)...it had something for anyone. Also, Cap finally got the life Red Skull took from him (you can say whatever you want...Red Skull took the life he wanted and had earned saving the world from him)...that was exceptional.
15:26 of cose thought Tony's problem since getting out of that cave is he can't just sit back and watch a situation, its what lead to ultron in the first place and its why even despite backing the acords he still had the glove while walking around and kept a stealth suit in his helicopter incase he needed to act outside of the acords.
As much as I like the film, especially the final act, count me among those thot find the logic behind the time travel utilized questionable at best. The easiest explanation is it created divergent timelines but that raises further questions. One big thing I can’t help but wonder is what happens to the hypothetical timeline where they took the infinity stones from in the first place? Even if they were returned several alterations have been made already: Loki is on the loose with the tesseract meaning Thor 2 and 3 wouldn’t play out like they did (I guess the series might answer that). Gamora and Thanos are gone meaning Guardians of the Galaxy wouldn’t play out like it did and the Guardians themselves certainly wouldn’t be the same team they were in the original (if they’d even ban together at all). With Steve living out his life into the modern day could he be counted to sit idly by as Hydra rebuilt itself within SHIELD? Would he just allow the Starks to be assassinated? What does it mean for the universe when Thanos and his forces had just up and disappeared?
This has been a wonderful series, I have enjoyed it so much. Of course I have disagreed with you about certain things but there is so much I find insightful. I'm not steeped in the comic-book lore as so many are and so came to the films fairly fresh. Your emotional responses have simply increased my admiration of your work. There is no shame in shedding tears, we are supposed to have an emotional investment in these characters. Finally, yes I completely agree with you about Caps closure, it seemed tacked on and a little frivolous to me. Any way, thank you a thousand times for this marvellous (pun intended) series.
Lore! This has been a thought on my mind for a while now. Your lorium of "The Mario", being that of the guy who is in control and/or can get things done? I've used that terminology myself, until this movie, and well... Now, it's "Iron Man" to me. Taking control of yourself and taking on the responsibility of that. Powerful stuff. 🤟
The Mario was never about power or control or competency. It's about the character being pure good for the sake of good, completely lacking in selfishness or negativity, just helping other people so they'll be helped.
Fantastic analysis. I always felt half of ALL life was a mistake since those other life forms a) already are pressed pretty hard here on earth by sapient life and b) the other life forms are often the resources his idiot Malthusian mission means to permit sapient life to enjoy more fully.
Half of everything on a galactic level is just a mindbogaling number and then the Chaos that would cause when it all comes back without any warning, i think that would break me even more than everything going, it coming back just as you have started to come to terms with the idea.
On the time travel, i just take the Hulk explanation in the movie as face value. You can't go back in time to change to past, because whatever happened in the past is what ade you time travel and if you change that, than you would never time travel in the first place. Then whatever happen differently, like Loki escaping, can be hand waved as a different and new time line. It works for the movie since it's the simpler type of time travel, the only major problem been them cheating at the end with Thanos and his army time traveling to the present like they were a single person. Also, i would disconsider whatever the creator says about anything in the movie or whatever if it isn't supported by what is showned in the movie. If the creator contradicts his own movie, he either changed his mind or failed in presenting his idea is a clear manner. In both cases, it doesn't change what the movie says.
40:46 I think the results speak for themselves. Thanos used the stones with the infinity gauntlet and there was no notable harm caused to him the first time. It wasn't until he used them a second time that it crippled his arm and nearly killed him. Hulk used the stones with the iron gauntlet, and it crippled his arm and nearly killed him on the first use. That's the difference. While both could contain the stones and provide enough of a buffer to allow the wielder to hold the stones without dying, the infinity gauntlet was also durable enough absorb the energy release of a single snap before burning out, while the iron gauntlet couldn't.
Gamma radiation from the gauntlet actually crippled the Hulk instead of empowering him 🙄 What BS was that? Hulk never got his redemption on Thanos in any way
I'd like to think that the last thing that was going through Thanos' mind was the concept of inevitability. After all, that's what he called himself, but in this instance, the tables were turned on him. Was his fate inevitable? Could he have stopped it? Done something different? But tragically, the light leaves his consciousness before he can solve the puzzle or find the words.
So why does the ending not violate Type 3 time travel? When they were in the seventies, Cap grabbed a bunch of extra Pym particles, way more than they needed to get back to their original time. Once Steve returns all the stones, he then travels back to the forties to be with Peggy. He lives out his entire life in this alternate reality that he himself created. They live together until Peggy dies (which is sometime after the day Steve originally left, as Banner says Steve “blew past his time stamp”). Having given himself the life he earned, Steve uses his remaining Pym particles to travel back to the OG time line and meet with Bucky and Falcon. There is no paradox here, everything works perfectly fine. The creators didn’t contradict this until after fans put forward the theory that Old Cap was a paul bearer at Peggy’s funeral in Civil War, which doesn’t make any sense at all and does blatantly contradict all of the sound logic actually found within the film.
As far as the time travel goes, I take issue with the lack of clarity and specificity on the time travel/multiverse stuff....which frankly, instead of doing the whole "That's not how time travel works" one minute and the "Look it is all a joke or none of it is" the next minute.....just kind of throw out that none of them REALLY knows exactly how it will go down. Like...you notice how they seem to be intending to NOT disrupt the past? It seems like they are going for minimum interference and as much covert stuff as possible. If they were all operating on a 'no matter what we do it just off-shoots a new timeline so don't sweat it' mentality, then why would they be trying to be sneaky about any of it?
The biggest criticism I have of the film, and it is really a because of what has happened as a result of the movie, is how they gave Wanda/Scarlett Witch the Rey Palpatine treatment. Make her the most powerful and undefeatable character in MCU.
25:11 so i am the only person i have heard say this about the time travel in this film as it does not actively effect this film kinda, so Tony and Caps second jump, they travel back in time to about the time when Shield is been founded and in doing so set up the Whole setting of the MCU. while Tony is off getting the tesseract Cap is off getting some more Pym particles so they can travel back to modern day, we learned back in Ant-man that the reason that Hank isnt a part of Shield and hates Stark so much is because back when they were all working together someone stole a few samples of Pym particles and he blamed Stark that had a massive blow up and he stormed out never to return, this is that event, this is Cap closing the loop. but i have never heard anyone but me bring it up as most people that talk about the time travel of this film bring up the Loki stuff or Gamora (i really hope that the Loki show ends with him returning to the point he leaves in this film as to me it would make so much sense about how much character groth he has between avengers assemble and thor 2, it also would fix one of the problems i have with endgames time travel)
While I agree that they don't need to go full tilt into another decade long arc, I do hope they have some ideas of what direction they want to head next so they're able to insert some hints into the new films going forward. They don't even need to necessarily nail it down to one thing at this point, after all if the hint doesn't lead to something later then it's simply a line in the film, but if it does then years later we get to go "oh, they hinted at this back in x film!".
Cap absolutely should have just come back through the portal as an old man. There was no benefit to him showing up after, and no matter your opinion on their time travel logic, that's really the only scene that directly contradicts it in universe.
Cap always went back to be with Peggy. That is what him ending up on the bench indicates. Instead of Cap catching back up with time, he waits for time to catch back up with him.
Well they're doing a big multi year arc again. Multiverse of Madness wasn't the best, but I'm cautiously optimistic for Quantimania. The last time I was cautiously optimistic was for Age of Ultron... I sure hope this turns out better.
Because it’s Thanos’ “wish”, he defines how it works. It’s very obvious that he only meant sentient life (I.e.people). Why? One of his arguments for doing this is resource shortages due to overpopulation. So his snap is only meant for “people”, not dogs, trees, and grass. Otherwise it was a useless “wish”. You would still have a resource problem. Remember, it’s Marvel. Don’t overthink it. Because if you think about it too much then you would find some major problems and the stories would fall apart.
46:38 I know that's explanation behind the scenes, but personally I hate it. Because there were other moments even in Ultron where he could've used it, Vision did for example. I like the fan explanation I saw better, he had the potential for worthiness but couldn't quite lift it. He nudged it, but because he was hiding the truth about Bucky from Tony, his guilty conscious held him back from being worthy.
If the population was 7 billion people than take out half and your still left with about 3 to 4 billion people so technically it still shouldn't have looked that destitute.
About Thanos - I think Thanos accepted his defeat. He accepted that it wasn't his time and place to win, that if he stayed in the past, he would have his "inevitable" victory. He made a big mistake. And he learned way too late about it.
It's actually extremely untrue that no amount of money bought a second of time... you'll have a lot more free time if you can afford to hire servants to do your banal and labor intensive chores for you. Do you think Howard Stark does his own laundry and washes his car and so forth? No, he throws money at his time wasting problems and they go away.
I imagine, when Cap goes to bring back the soul stone to Vormir and he sees Red Skull, he'd be like: WHAT? Aw, HELL NO! God NO! Fuck you and your stupid (Red Skull starts talking) * throws it off the cliff * Go fetch! Not dealing with this shit anymore! I hope you rot! (turns around and goes aways) It would be so out of character, I know, but I would laugh my ass off for at least 5 minutes straight. Oh and btw. HAPPY MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!
About 55 minutes in. One thing about Thanos' character arc I wish they'd played up: presumably this Thanos learned he would have to sacrifice Gamorra if he followed his original plan, but if he did this alternate plan, he wouldn't have to. I wonder if that played any role into his determination. And for that matter, any thoughts about Alternate Gamorra and if the Prime Gamorra's soul might come back?
Please don’t defend serial killers. There are serial killers that go after people who they consider a blight on the world; there are serial killers who only start after they’ve experienced a major trauma-they are still serial killers, and what they are doing is still wrong.
To me the dumbest scene in the film was the “Girl Power Charge”... I’m not against strong female characters, but the fact is when Peter asks Carol how she’s going to get through all that, the answer is “Because I’m Carol Fucking Danvers!”. She is the single most powerful character on that battlefield. Also, she can FLY. She could go over and around all those troops so easily... ugh.
@Tesla-Effect IKR? Texhnically Gomorrah and Mantis did know each other, but i think that’s it. Presumably Pepper could have met characters like Wanda, but they have no on-screen time. Certainly no evidence they’re a tight-knit group.
The shitty treatment of Fat Thor was disgusting and wrong. But Thor being fat in itself was #valid and #relatable. Fat Thor being officially *still* *worthy* according to Mjölnir actually had my fat, clinically depressed, C-PTSD-riddled ass in tears, Frigga's speech, too.
8:02 so am i the only one that looks at endgame and goes ""wow, and we didnt get a Nuclear war"" because you can't tell me that in real life if the SNAP happened things wouldnt get worse from there i mean just pictor the avengers trying to explain to some of the more extreme foreign powers what just happened ""well you see an alien warlord came from space and used space magic to disappear half the life in the galaxy"" ....... i dont see that going down too well even if they worded it better. 52:23 kinda a good job it gets dusted as that would be the second time we have a third world war ready to kick off if America and only them got hold of all that tech ekk.
I did not care about thor being fat as a guy with depression and get 30kg fatter because of that I like how they did his entire thing and even if they joke it make more real for me.
The snap took half of all life. Keep in mind thanos did not to end all life so I'm sure worlds with high populations took hard hits such as earth where others may have lost only thousands. Worlds would have been left with most ecosystems at a sustainable level.
Thor is fat because he's completely let himself go... except that he's an Asgardian, and ever since Thor Ragnarok, we've been very unclear on exactly how human or superhuman the Asgardians are. The original Thor movie was very consistent about the Asgardians all being like Captain America X3 - physically perfect super strong metahumans that live forever and all fight like giants. But then in Ragnarok, we have an Asgard full of innocent civilians who get oppressed by Hela and then flee from Surtur... and we also have a Thunder Lord who isn't the god of hammers, again? It'd be really nice if this had been straightened out.
*Power I actually like that scene cause it establishes both her limits while demonstrating that it takes THE power stone wielded by someone with Hulk (or greater) strength to incapacitate her.
You missed the most emotional part of the entire film.. When he goes back to Stark's kid and he asks her.. 'Do you need anything?' - and she is sitting there and says she wants a cheese burger and he says 'i'll get you all the cheese burgers you want'.. and he begins to cry. This is exactly what stark says to him in the first iron man movie when he gets back after being tortured..
Hawkeye going back to the past is a huge one for me that wasn’t brought up here. He doesn’t care if it breaks space and time, he’d do anything to leave the life he’s lived and see them again.
Natasha is stage 1- denial
Hawkeye is stage 2- anger
Hulk is stage 3- bargaining
Thor is stage 4- depression
Tony is stage 5- acceptance
That is...really smart and observant, actually!
Scott Lang drove Luis' van from San Francisco to New York, can you image how much devastation he saw during that trip.
Dude...
When Tony died....
That was after my dad died on Easter Weekend that year. That ending fking got me. That scene got me DEEP. I cried bros. That's almost like saying bye to my dad all over again.
It brings the feels back all over again.
“This universe is irredeemable and won’t accept what’s necessary, let these idiots have it.” -last thoughts of Thanos.
Dr Stange was a genius! He didn't just save this reality he saved alternate timelines from even suffering the Snap at all because he knew a past Thanos would come to the future for the Stones and die preventing him from returning to a point in time to do his thing. This reality/timeline is the only one that suffered the Snap, and in the end 'the Blip,' while ALL OTHERS are safe!
They didn't defeat Thanos, they executed him for his crimes. On Cap...I like to think that the past few years involved Peggy saying "Young you is on the news again!" And Cap saying, "Are you counting?"
Also, when Thanos' army is dusted, you can also see Proxima Midnight cradling Corvus Glaive in the background as they dust together. I like that little touch: the movies never had the opportunity to get into their relationship in depth.
As a bigger guy with Thor's kind of body type in this film I really didn't care that it was played for laughs. It was far less mean than shows or movies often are with overweight people. And ultimately by the end of thenmovie it was still handled very well when Thor got his groove back. And as Thor is my favourite Avenger I can now feel much more body positive about cosplaying as him because that moment where he has both Mjolnir and Storm Breaker is possibly one of his most epic moments in the whole franchise.
Totally!! Not everyone is epically ripped all the time. That takes quite a lot of commitment to physique. Every single day. Plus an exact diet. It’s nice to see a “god” relatable. Body type shouldn’t be the determining factor in a person’s value. I think that may be what you mean by how mean spirited “shows and movies” treat regular people. Most of us aren’t models. But we can still absolutely be beautiful and/or heroic.
Amen Brother.
As a German, you're pronounciation of Schadenfreude was actually excellent.
I had meant to tell him that too lol
I think old Cap should have been Stan Lee, to explain all the cameos across the franchise, as Steve keeping an eye on things without anyone knowing it was him.
😱😱😱 Brilliant!
I giggled so hard at the idea of thano's last thought being "oh, crap!" 😆
Thanos thinking to grab the power stone from the gauntlet and blasting Danvers was a good bit of foreshadowing--and a hint to Tony?--of what Tony had to do.
I'm more of a lurker on this channel than anything, but I sure am glad to have found your channel this year. Always nice to hear you analyze the films and games you do. Merry Christmas.
Watched this already. Commented already. I love these movies. Does anyone else feel like watching the film after every rumination?
You should do Phase 4 now
-Captain Marvel shouldn't be in the movie
-Time travel handled VERY poorly
-Having there be a '2nd Thanos' and '2nd Gamora' and '2nd Nebula' and brief appearances of dupes of so many people REALLY lessens the weight of what happens to all of them....and we trade in fully developed and complex Thanos for cardboard cutout villain Thanos.
I would have had the film be more of a "Mission to planet Thanos to retrieve the Gauntlet with the stones that Thanos has stashed away"...you largely go through a lot of the same beats, but instead of everything sorting through their issues with past selves, fathers, mothers, etc....instead you have them sort things out with each other.
Maybe Cap helps Tony finally bury some of the lingering issues he has about his father. Maybe Thor gets help and guidance from Hulk or something. I also like the idea of Thor collecting the handle and all of the pieces of Mjolnir that was destroyed, carrying them around in a little pouch around his waist....and REFORGING Mjolnir from the broken pieces with his own lightning energy.
It would be very overt symbolism of Thor picking up the broken pieces of his life and restoring himself to his former glory. That way you still get mjolnir into Cap's hands for the finale.
Black Widow dies on the mission to retrieve the guantlet, but in doing so ensures the success of the mission. Maybe they THINK they've killed Thanos in the process, she dies thinking she just stopped Thanos and saved everyone.
They get back to Earth, but Thanos isn't dead, he tracks and follows them back to Earth...and we pretty much have the same exact final act that we have in the finished film....only we get there without a bunch of bullcrap time travel and cameos from a bunch of dead characters.
At the END, Cap simply asks Doctor Strange to use the Time Stone to send him back to be with Peggy. So you still get the epilogue with old Cap. Only he should pass the torch to Bucky.
Something I personally would have loved to have seen is Old Steve at the end played by Stan Lee.
How cool would that have been, especially in light of what had just happened at the time.
Yes if all the Stan Lee cameos were really old Cap using the time watch to guide the franchise along would have been awesome!!!
Is it a bad thing if I kinda wish Thanos had won in the end? Not because I think he was right, but because they brought up acceptance and moving on several times, and that's the only solution in life when you lose people you really care about (I'm speaking as someone who's lost several people I care about a lot, all of them without any warning).
My other thought was, what if they CAN bring everyone back, but only by turning back the clock so that everything anyone has gained since Thanos snapped his fingers would be undone. Tony and Pepper would lose their daughter, to name just one thing.
I don't hate the ending we got, but I strongly dislike the idea of bringing people back from the dead in general. It really, really cheapens the impact of the deaths and always makes me wonder what the point in killing them was if they were just going to be brought back. I think either one of the above options would've made for a more interesting finale.
100% agree, there is no growth of every just comes back to life. It was such a cheap move
He was an evil psychopath,
who wanted to genocide all of existence, in order to create "the universe" in his image.
A place where he exists as God, and nobody knows the true history of their existence.
He is quite literally worse than HitIer.......
33 seconds in and I have to pause: half of all life. That makes me think: livestock and crops. Cut the foodstuffs in half, cut the production, and you get starvation. Especially when the people are restored but the production and transportation/delivery lines are not. War, famine, pestilence, undoing the snap does not mean everything’s fine.
Now to hit play again.
I agree. Half of all sapient life makes "sense", half of all life does not.
Well if you halve everything, I don't think thered be starvation. But he is the mad titan for a reason. lol
I'll be writing this comment as you speak on your video. It's probably going to be long.
Half of all life. I think it's one of those situations or scenarios that we understand, but we cannot truly comprehend. Half of all life in the universe. GONE!!
"I lost the kid" That hit me more than I could possibly express. Even now, almost two years later, every time I watch that scene, that line hits me. And then cap response is "Tony we lost", the absolute tone of defeat in his voice. Shivering.
Then we have the scene where they discuss what happened. There's this bit that always shocks me because it puts in perspective just how freaking powerful Thanos truly was. Cap says, "Tony you fought him", and Starks responds with "Who said I fought him? No, he wiped my face with a planet" obviously referencing the meteor shower he created. Think about that. Just think about that.
Yes, Thor in the background. Silent. And more importantly, already eating and drinking.
Thor saying "I went for the head". It's an amazing line for two reasons. One, it's nice cheeky reference to infinity war, and it's kind of funny at face value. The theater I went to started laughing so much at that. However, there's the undertone behind it. The way he's says it, he sounds so broken. An excellent reflection of how gone he truly is. The one tiny speck of hope that he had to amend, gone. Just as he is. And he goes for the head.
Here's my one and only problem with Joe Russo being in this movie, and I'm aware is a huge nit pick. Still bothers me. He appeared in Civil War as the doctor killed by Zemo. The one that had to interview Bucky. My brain finds it difficult to process. He was dead, and now he's alive. Again, huge nit pick. Moving on.
The rat that saved the universe. I know it's a huge coincidence (and there are admittedly plenty within the film), but I don't mind it. 14 000 605 possible futures Strange saw. You know how many of those the rat missed the button?
Paul Rudd/Scott Lang. He is in my opinion the highlight of this film. I'm not gonna go and write everything about him I love because then this comment will be longer than it already will be, but he is amazing. Every scene he is in I simply love. With that being said, his meeting with Casey. Oh my God. The way he says "you're so big". He is incredibly happy, but you can hear the regret or sadness resulting from realizing all the time he missed. Time that they will never get back.
Fat Thor. I don't mind that. I think it serves both purposes. Funny at face value, but the undertone it's very dark.
"They got Thanos, you get me!" Barton's life those 5 years and his motivations in one line. Short but very effective.
Time travel. Honestly, I'm not gonna get into it. Again, long comment doesn't need to get even longer. All I'm gonna say is that it actually makes sense to me. The important thing to remember is that it's removing the infinity stones what creates branches, not people's actions. Bring the stones back, cut the branches, everything aligns again, changes made by people included. That's how I see it, and it makes sense to me. Besides, it's time travel. Technically something that doesn't have a real life parallel to compare and criticize it. Moving on.
Act 4: Celebration. I couldn't agree more with that title. This is fan service done right. This is Marvel Studios saying, rejoice and bask in our glory. Freaking amazing.
Past Thanos. It's amazing. I love this iteration. His first scene speaks volumes. He returns to Sanctuary and casually cleans the blood from his blade, and still there's some blood splattered all over his armor and face. This is the Thanos that hasn't experience Infinity War. He is just a bloodthirsty warmonger. He is awesome.
"You need to be who you really are, not who you are expected to be" I've never been one to seek inspirational phrases or whatnot, but that line spoke volumes to me on a deeply personal level. Ok, enough about me.
"Do we know if she had any family? Yeah, us". Powerful. Very powerful.
Also, her movie is set after civil war. Just saying because you sound as if her movie is a resurrection of the character.
I like how useful and knowledgeable Rocket is in this film. He's always been that way, but that's accentuated in this film. I like how he tells Stark "you're only a genius here on Earth" Subtle line. Plays for laughs, but if you think about it, the universe, its inhabitants, and its technology are huge.
Ok, so the final battle. There's only a couple of things I'll say about this. Before that, there's something important about Thanos I want to point out. Notice how he sits and waits for someone else, in this case Nebula, to go and bring the stones to him. It's subtle, but that's the moment this Thanos lost. Why? Because this is not the Thanos that truly works for what he wants. This Thanos hasn't realized that he and his will alone are what will guarantee his victory. Instead, he sits and waits. I'm probably reading to much into this, but I feel it adds to his character, both the one in Infinity War and in this film.
Now, on to the final battle.
1. Cap lifting the hammer. Freaking amazing. I'm from Costa Rica. We generally are not loud in the theaters. Not for this movie, and definitely not for that scene. As a side note, I finally understand how amazing of an experience a loud audience in a theater could be. Also, completely agree with your sentiment. Seeing Captain Rogers standing alone against that army. CHILLS.
2. The portals scene. I don't have the words to express how much this scene means to me. Seeing all my favorite characters there, all coming together to fight the most difficult threat as of yet. But more importantly, from a logistically standpoint, the fact that they are all there. Tears of absolute joy fill my face whenever I see that and listen that score in the background.
3. Wanda vs Thanos. "You took everything from me" The way Olsen delivers that line. Absolute chills. Of course she then proceeds to mop the floor with him. He has no other alternative, he needs to rain fire.
4. The women coming together scene. I don't have a problem with this scene because of political and societal reasons. I actually really like this scene. I get excited. I'm a male, and I love this characters regardless of gender, of course I get excited to see them. My problem is that Carol Danvers does not need the back up. It's freaking Captain Marvel, a living nuclear warhead. Instead, imagine if the one that had the gaunlet was Nebula. Imagine if she was the one in charge of delivering the gaunlet. It would have made a lot of sense for his character arc, the one she's been experiencing in this very film, but also the other girls coming together to help an injured Nebula would have made for a much more compelling action scene.
5. Tony's death. The way Strange lifts his finger indicating this is the one, as in one in 14 million. Parker telling him they won. And Pepper telling him he can rest. Nothing to add there.
6. Yes. Thanos sitting down, a perfect mirror of the way he sat down at the end of Infinity War, and just silently turning to dust. A fitting end for an amazing character. I'd like to think there was nothing in his mind. Probably acceptance, but not of defeat itself. More like, the Universe has decided. "That's destiny fulfilled" as he said in a previous scene.
The end of the film. There's nothing I can say, except, I want to watch that Captain America film where he returns the stones. I want to see that. Probably not gonna happen, but a man can dream.
All in all, I LOVE THIS FILM.
A great conclusion to the first decade of the MCU, and I cannot wait to see what the future holds.
As an aside, you recorded this not knowing what 2020 had in store for us. This is a great Christmas gift.
32:00 From what I can tell, it's not the infinity stones specifically that keep existence together. The ancient one refers to the time stone as their valued weapon, so I took it to be important from that sense. This time period needs the stones to so they can be used to keep their universe relatively intact. The canon timeline not having infinity stones doesn't matter to it.
Also there's this idea that since the stones are part of some primordial force, the infinity stones will eventually reform as part of some cosmic sense of balance.
Also, the fact they’re all in little tiny pieces still means they’re there. Just not as stones.
I always thought that Fury should have arrived with the helicarrier, after Marvel took down the ship. Also I missed Lady Sif, she should have been in the end fight.
@Lorerunner I dunno if that black globe background is new, but I've never noticed it before, and it's awesome.
Having thought about the Nat and Clint scene for quite a bit. My intuition was that Nat would go, for 2 reasons. 1st. Her Red Room surgery that left her infertile, When she's old and broken up she's not going to have much connection to people who haven't lived her life. 2nd. Clint has a real family to go back to and he deserves that chance.
"Yes I looked that up, shut up."
- Lorerunner 2020
Christmas Day video! Woo. Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to everyone.
You too man.
I think the ending of Tony Starks arc is one of the best moments in movie history. It's the perfect emotional mix of sadness, hope, joy... all at once. It's such a human moment. And it is backed by years of development and insights into his character. Right from the the moment Fury first talks to him about the Avengers Initiative up to the snap. With all the flaws these movies have this end just works on all levels for me. And the same way other franchises are dragged down by a bad ending, this ending lifts the whole franchise up.
I also think the film marks the end of an era. I really felt that when I was watching Endgame in the Theater. I didn't even think about waiting to see if there is a credit scene. It was very clear: this is the end of the MCU. This was the final chapter. Yeah there will be more movies but nothing will come close to this. And with all the politics and health stuff going on, who knows if the US film industry will ever be the same again and able to produce such a masterpiece.
Happy X-max to all, especially you Mr. Lorerunner. It's always a special joy to listen to your thoughts and feel your true appreciation for the works.
Hydra Cap never got retconned. That character is still part of an ongoing story in the Cap comics right now.
I’ve read a few post-Endgame articles. According to Feige and the Russo Brothers, the fate of Captain America was already set. The old Steve Rogers sitting there had already lived through what the younger had experienced. It has been confirmed that the picture Rogers saw next to old Peggy in Winter Soldier was Peggy and the children next to her were in fact Steve’s children. One can only assume that Rogers was able to stay in the background and allow events of the next 75 years to unfold.
Oh, man... I cried most of the screen time of this movie. I was sobbing by the final battle. For me, the story arc of Tony and Peter is the best character development ever presented on the silver screen. It really feels like "a part of history being made". You talked about the difference in the European theater audience and their reactions. Well, guess what. MCU is actually what changed that stereotype and Endgame was the grand finale of that change.
Anyway... I'm kinda new here, but I've watched a bunch of your vids already. Very unique take on an analyze type of a video, really like it.
Now, excuse me, I have to rewatch this amazing piece of a movie.
What a journey, thank you so much for doing this series of films! We appreciate you and everything you do!
59:30 she already knows about that its one of the things i love about her and stranges first meeting she is smirking because she knows exactly how he will act, but ive made fun of the eather stone one so many times ""hi miss Foster you dont know me but HEY look over there [points finger] [stabs in butt] sorry it was for the best"" as he runs off.
I've been waiting for this moment! Okay so Thor's whole character development in this movie is amazing and it's an incredible deconstruction of Thor from a mythological perspective as well as in universe for Marvel. His position as an Asgardian has always been the defender of the nine realms, the one who always kills the giant. Asgard was already gone and now he's failed again, and this time there's nothing he can do, no giant to slay, not magic he can use to bring everyone back.
It's pretty obvious, but Thor's scene with Frigg is my favorite scene in the movie.
merry christmas, lore!! thanks for this marvelous gift today, and all of your awesome videos and streams!!!
I love your point on the gay character bit at the beginning. It doesn't need a spotlight. You should work for the film industry
Two thoughts that jump out at me. First is about Scott's time skip, and the second is about Barton & Widow's platonic relationship.
Regarding the idea of "I don't know how to imagine that. If someone that, like, left my life years ago, suddenly comes back in, looking exactly the same. That's just -- I don't even know how to process that.", I strongly recommend the 1986 film "Flight of the Navigator", which was all about the relativistic time dilation of lightspeed travel, and had the main protagonist thus find the world around him 8 years in the future from "yesterday".
And regarding "Do you know how rare it is to see a male and a female have an extremely strong relationship that is utterly unromantic?", I can only point to "Murder She Wrote", and Jessica Fletcher's splendidly platonic best friend, Doctor. Seth Hazlitt.
The "how would a person mentally deal with a lost loved one coming back like nothing happened" is similar in most ways to a loved one in a long coma. Past that I can assume that the reverse of the 5 stages of grief would occur. Because you'd be in shock, absolute giddy high, try to bargain or be afraid of losing them again. Have an anger moment when something percievable as a "moment that looks like they disappeared again even briefly" occurs, will cause a panic and somewhere in there would disbelief then acceptance. Then life goes on like normal. I'd state that everyone included would feel that. Both those that were 'lucky' enough to stay for 5 years and moved on, to the people who came back and lost 5 years of time. Having that break in reality would ALWAYS have them question, in the back of their minds, whether it would happen again and would be overbearing and dictate how they would live after that.
Like normal I love these videos. I absolutely agree that the captain ending scene was not planned well... Thanks for all of the MCU ruminations. They were really quite interesting.
Don't be too hard on your snaps Lore. Truth be told, I have NEVER successfully snapped my fingers!
No really. There are 1 or 2 times I made a sound slightly louder than a near-inaudible skin rubbing sound, but that is it!
I don't know why.
Maybe my finger strength is too weak? Maybe my fingers were too calloused? Or too soft? Or too dirty? Too oily? Too clean? Maybe I've been doing it wrong?
Maybe I just can't. (After all, many people can't curl their tongue. - I can!) I have tried snapping off & on over my life, but it just doesn't work for some reason.
So yeah, your snaps were just fine!
Merry Christmas Lore
What if Steve and Peggy had children? Can you imagine what that would mean for the New Avengers?
I think a 30 min clip of Cap returning all the stones would be interesting...especially when he goes to Asguard and Odin and Himdale are waiting, they see him holding the hammer and you get a quick aside from Odin about how it took long enough for a human to lift it.
I tend to think of this movie as Ant-Man 3 as much as the last Avenger's movie. Heist and all that.
I always wondered how Cap uses lightning with Mjolnir, especially after Odin and the rest of Thor: Ragnorok emphasized that Mjolnir was just a tool for focusing Thor's power.
I choose to believe that the last thing Thor did before giving up the throne was declare Steve Rodgers the God of Hammers.
It's worth remembering that Cap probably has as many Pym particles as he needs now. He can take 10 years getting the stones back at the right time if that's what it takes, which makes it all just a little more reasonable to me. I was happy with the end to Cap's arc, if not the execution of it. He really should've just appeared on the return pad.
Can you tell Cap is my favorite of the original cast?
This movie hit its emotional beats perfectly at every stage, and that probably more than anything else is why it will be remembered so fondly.
Fantastic video for the record, as always Lore. Hearing your thoughts on these was very fun. Did you have to plan to have this out on Christmas day, or was it just a happy coincidence?
Love your ruminations, Lorerunner! And merry Christmas!
I don't know what was more disappointing, this film or the last jedi.
Last thought of this Thanos: "I failed. I was inevitable, and yet somehow I failed. And I'll never know why." *Whoooosh*
Stupid to cry during a movie? Especially this movie, which was literally the culmination of 11 years, 30-some movies, pretty much 1/3 of my life. The third of my life where I met my wife, lost all of my grandparents, and we had our first child? Nothing wrong with that...that's a huge portion of EVERYONE'S life, especially if you were a massive comic fan like I am.
The MCU has some exceptionally good emotional beats. GotG, Vol. 2's ending with Yondu had me bawling at 7 AM while watching it with my 9 day old daughter in my arms (I was up holding her so my wife could get some much needed sleep upstairs). Nearly every movie has them. Heck, when Loki finally allows his glamer to fail in "The Dark World" when Thor and he commiserate about Friga's death, that was emotional, and you were a robot if you didn't feel that brotherly bond they have there.
However, this movie had all of them. Friga and Howard Stark's scenes hit everyone. What I wouldn't give for one last chance to tell my Grandmother and Paw Paw how much they meant to me, or to spend one last day playing video games or have a final dinner with friends I had who died all too young in Iraq and Afghanistan. I'm sure a large portion of the audience totally understood the hopelessness and loss that Hawkeye feels when Black Widow makes the choice to sacrifice herself for him and the others. Tony's sacrifice at the end. His final message for his daughter (as a dad, that one hit me so hard, that was the moment in the theater me and my friend lost it finally)...it had something for anyone. Also, Cap finally got the life Red Skull took from him (you can say whatever you want...Red Skull took the life he wanted and had earned saving the world from him)...that was exceptional.
Make Galactus the next big bad. Or Doom.
15:26 of cose thought Tony's problem since getting out of that cave is he can't just sit back and watch a situation, its what lead to ultron in the first place and its why even despite backing the acords he still had the glove while walking around and kept a stealth suit in his helicopter incase he needed to act outside of the acords.
As much as I like the film, especially the final act, count me among those thot find the logic behind the time travel utilized questionable at best. The easiest explanation is it created divergent timelines but that raises further questions.
One big thing I can’t help but wonder is what happens to the hypothetical timeline where they took the infinity stones from in the first place? Even if they were returned several alterations have been made already: Loki is on the loose with the tesseract meaning Thor 2 and 3 wouldn’t play out like they did (I guess the series might answer that). Gamora and Thanos are gone meaning Guardians of the Galaxy wouldn’t play out like it did and the Guardians themselves certainly wouldn’t be the same team they were in the original (if they’d even ban together at all). With Steve living out his life into the modern day could he be counted to sit idly by as Hydra rebuilt itself within SHIELD? Would he just allow the Starks to be assassinated? What does it mean for the universe when Thanos and his forces had just up and disappeared?
This has been a wonderful series, I have enjoyed it so much. Of course I have disagreed with you about certain things but there is so much I find insightful. I'm not steeped in the comic-book lore as so many are and so came to the films fairly fresh.
Your emotional responses have simply increased my admiration of your work. There is no shame in shedding tears, we are supposed to have an emotional investment in these characters. Finally, yes I completely agree with you about Caps closure, it seemed tacked on and a little frivolous to me. Any way, thank you a thousand times for this marvellous (pun intended) series.
Lore! This has been a thought on my mind for a while now. Your lorium of "The Mario", being that of the guy who is in control and/or can get things done? I've used that terminology myself, until this movie, and well... Now, it's "Iron Man" to me. Taking control of yourself and taking on the responsibility of that. Powerful stuff. 🤟
The Mario was never about power or control or competency. It's about the character being pure good for the sake of good, completely lacking in selfishness or negativity, just helping other people so they'll be helped.
Fantastic analysis. I always felt half of ALL life was a mistake since those other life forms a) already are pressed pretty hard here on earth by sapient life and b) the other life forms are often the resources his idiot Malthusian mission means to permit sapient life to enjoy more fully.
Half of everything on a galactic level is just a mindbogaling number and then the Chaos that would cause when it all comes back without any warning, i think that would break me even more than everything going, it coming back just as you have started to come to terms with the idea.
On the time travel, i just take the Hulk explanation in the movie as face value. You can't go back in time to change to past, because whatever happened in the past is what ade you time travel and if you change that, than you would never time travel in the first place. Then whatever happen differently, like Loki escaping, can be hand waved as a different and new time line. It works for the movie since it's the simpler type of time travel, the only major problem been them cheating at the end with Thanos and his army time traveling to the present like they were a single person.
Also, i would disconsider whatever the creator says about anything in the movie or whatever if it isn't supported by what is showned in the movie. If the creator contradicts his own movie, he either changed his mind or failed in presenting his idea is a clear manner. In both cases, it doesn't change what the movie says.
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I think the results speak for themselves. Thanos used the stones with the infinity gauntlet and there was no notable harm caused to him the first time. It wasn't until he used them a second time that it crippled his arm and nearly killed him. Hulk used the stones with the iron gauntlet, and it crippled his arm and nearly killed him on the first use. That's the difference. While both could contain the stones and provide enough of a buffer to allow the wielder to hold the stones without dying, the infinity gauntlet was also durable enough absorb the energy release of a single snap before burning out, while the iron gauntlet couldn't.
Gamma radiation from the gauntlet actually crippled the Hulk instead of empowering him 🙄
What BS was that? Hulk never got his redemption on Thanos in any way
I'd like to think that the last thing that was going through Thanos' mind was the concept of inevitability. After all, that's what he called himself, but in this instance, the tables were turned on him. Was his fate inevitable? Could he have stopped it? Done something different? But tragically, the light leaves his consciousness before he can solve the puzzle or find the words.
So why does the ending not violate Type 3 time travel?
When they were in the seventies, Cap grabbed a bunch of extra Pym particles, way more than they needed to get back to their original time. Once Steve returns all the stones, he then travels back to the forties to be with Peggy. He lives out his entire life in this alternate reality that he himself created. They live together until Peggy dies (which is sometime after the day Steve originally left, as Banner says Steve “blew past his time stamp”).
Having given himself the life he earned, Steve uses his remaining Pym particles to travel back to the OG time line and meet with Bucky and Falcon.
There is no paradox here, everything works perfectly fine. The creators didn’t contradict this until after fans put forward the theory that Old Cap was a paul bearer at Peggy’s funeral in Civil War, which doesn’t make any sense at all and does blatantly contradict all of the sound logic actually found within the film.
I bet anything that Widow is in that orange world where we saw kid Gamorra, and does indeed know that we did it.
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As far as the time travel goes, I take issue with the lack of clarity and specificity on the time travel/multiverse stuff....which frankly, instead of doing the whole "That's not how time travel works" one minute and the "Look it is all a joke or none of it is" the next minute.....just kind of throw out that none of them REALLY knows exactly how it will go down.
Like...you notice how they seem to be intending to NOT disrupt the past? It seems like they are going for minimum interference and as much covert stuff as possible. If they were all operating on a 'no matter what we do it just off-shoots a new timeline so don't sweat it' mentality, then why would they be trying to be sneaky about any of it?
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The biggest criticism I have of the film, and it is really a because of what has happened as a result of the movie, is how they gave Wanda/Scarlett Witch the Rey Palpatine treatment. Make her the most powerful and undefeatable character in MCU.
25:11 so i am the only person i have heard say this about the time travel in this film as it does not actively effect this film kinda, so Tony and Caps second jump, they travel back in time to about the time when Shield is been founded and in doing so set up the Whole setting of the MCU.
while Tony is off getting the tesseract Cap is off getting some more Pym particles so they can travel back to modern day, we learned back in Ant-man that the reason that Hank isnt a part of Shield and hates Stark so much is because back when they were all working together someone stole a few samples of Pym particles and he blamed Stark that had a massive blow up and he stormed out never to return, this is that event, this is Cap closing the loop.
but i have never heard anyone but me bring it up as most people that talk about the time travel of this film bring up the Loki stuff or Gamora (i really hope that the Loki show ends with him returning to the point he leaves in this film as to me it would make so much sense about how much character groth he has between avengers assemble and thor 2, it also would fix one of the problems i have with endgames time travel)
While I agree that they don't need to go full tilt into another decade long arc, I do hope they have some ideas of what direction they want to head next so they're able to insert some hints into the new films going forward. They don't even need to necessarily nail it down to one thing at this point, after all if the hint doesn't lead to something later then it's simply a line in the film, but if it does then years later we get to go "oh, they hinted at this back in x film!".
awesome movie had a really great time with it back in theaters
Wouldn't losing half of the rainforest have dire consequences as it is?
Cap absolutely should have just come back through the portal as an old man. There was no benefit to him showing up after, and no matter your opinion on their time travel logic, that's really the only scene that directly contradicts it in universe.
Cap always went back to be with Peggy.
That is what him ending up on the bench indicates.
Instead of Cap catching back up with time, he waits for time to catch back up with him.
With all the multiverse timey wimey stuff it has to be Kang and maybe Mephisto as the main villains of the next few main arks.
Well they're doing a big multi year arc again. Multiverse of Madness wasn't the best, but I'm cautiously optimistic for Quantimania. The last time I was cautiously optimistic was for Age of Ultron... I sure hope this turns out better.
Because it’s Thanos’ “wish”, he defines how it works. It’s very obvious that he only meant sentient life (I.e.people). Why? One of his arguments for doing this is resource shortages due to overpopulation. So his snap is only meant for “people”, not dogs, trees, and grass. Otherwise it was a useless “wish”. You would still have a resource problem. Remember, it’s Marvel. Don’t overthink it. Because if you think about it too much then you would find some major problems and the stories would fall apart.
46:38 I know that's explanation behind the scenes, but personally I hate it. Because there were other moments even in Ultron where he could've used it, Vision did for example. I like the fan explanation I saw better, he had the potential for worthiness but couldn't quite lift it. He nudged it, but because he was hiding the truth about Bucky from Tony, his guilty conscious held him back from being worthy.
Interesting. I had no problem with old Cap appeared not on the platform. I though those events were always imprinted in the original timeline.
If the population was 7 billion people than take out half and your still left with about 3 to 4 billion people so technically it still shouldn't have looked that destitute.
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Wait a second...Loki went off by himself...is this the entire reason we have a multiverse now?
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About Thanos - I think Thanos accepted his defeat. He accepted that it wasn't his time and place to win, that if he stayed in the past, he would have his "inevitable" victory. He made a big mistake. And he learned way too late about it.
20:54 your pronounciation was spot on
Thannos was sad, "I could saved them and now they are doomed".
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Including plants and animals, means the remaining humans -and other sentient beings- have half as much food as before. So no-one is better off.
It's actually extremely untrue that no amount of money bought a second of time... you'll have a lot more free time if you can afford to hire servants to do your banal and labor intensive chores for you. Do you think Howard Stark does his own laundry and washes his car and so forth? No, he throws money at his time wasting problems and they go away.
I imagine, when Cap goes to bring back the soul stone to Vormir and he sees Red Skull, he'd be like: WHAT? Aw, HELL NO! God NO! Fuck you and your stupid (Red Skull starts talking) * throws it off the cliff * Go fetch! Not dealing with this shit anymore! I hope you rot! (turns around and goes aways)
It would be so out of character, I know, but I would laugh my ass off for at least 5 minutes straight.
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Lmao I went to use the bathroom and the hulf was professor hulk lmao
No stones to hold back the dimensions? I've heard this before, "The Apocalypse Stone" D&D module xD
Why would the presence or absence of infinity stones passively do anything when they're not being wielded?
About 55 minutes in. One thing about Thanos' character arc I wish they'd played up: presumably this Thanos learned he would have to sacrifice Gamorra if he followed his original plan, but if he did this alternate plan, he wouldn't have to. I wonder if that played any role into his determination. And for that matter, any thoughts about Alternate Gamorra and if the Prime Gamorra's soul might come back?
Kylo Ren couldn't manage to kill the past, but Nebula managed.
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Please don’t defend serial killers. There are serial killers that go after people who they consider a blight on the world; there are serial killers who only start after they’ve experienced a major trauma-they are still serial killers, and what they are doing is still wrong.
To me the dumbest scene in the film was the “Girl Power Charge”... I’m not against strong female characters, but the fact is when Peter asks Carol how she’s going to get through all that, the answer is “Because I’m Carol Fucking Danvers!”. She is the single most powerful character on that battlefield. Also, she can FLY. She could go over and around all those troops so easily... ugh.
@Tesla-Effect IKR? Texhnically Gomorrah and Mantis did know each other, but i think that’s it. Presumably Pepper could have met characters like Wanda, but they have no on-screen time. Certainly no evidence they’re a tight-knit group.
The shitty treatment of Fat Thor was disgusting and wrong. But Thor being fat in itself was #valid and #relatable. Fat Thor being officially *still* *worthy* according to Mjölnir actually had my fat, clinically depressed, C-PTSD-riddled ass in tears, Frigga's speech, too.
8:02 so am i the only one that looks at endgame and goes ""wow, and we didnt get a Nuclear war"" because you can't tell me that in real life if the SNAP happened things wouldnt get worse from there i mean just pictor the avengers trying to explain to some of the more extreme foreign powers what just happened ""well you see an alien warlord came from space and used space magic to disappear half the life in the galaxy"" ....... i dont see that going down too well even if they worded it better.
52:23 kinda a good job it gets dusted as that would be the second time we have a third world war ready to kick off if America and only them got hold of all that tech ekk.
I did not care about thor being fat as a guy with depression and get 30kg fatter because of that I like how they did his entire thing and even if they joke it make more real for me.
The snap took half of all life. Keep in mind thanos did not to end all life so I'm sure worlds with high populations took hard hits such as earth where others may have lost only thousands. Worlds would have been left with most ecosystems at a sustainable level.
Thor is fat because he's completely let himself go... except that he's an Asgardian, and ever since Thor Ragnarok, we've been very unclear on exactly how human or superhuman the Asgardians are. The original Thor movie was very consistent about the Asgardians all being like Captain America X3 - physically perfect super strong metahumans that live forever and all fight like giants. But then in Ragnarok, we have an Asgard full of innocent civilians who get oppressed by Hela and then flee from Surtur... and we also have a Thunder Lord who isn't the god of hammers, again? It'd be really nice if this had been straightened out.
53:11 Thanos, using the Space Gem, punches Captain Marvel so hard he knocks her out of the movie.
*Power
I actually like that scene cause it establishes both her limits while demonstrating that it takes THE power stone wielded by someone with Hulk (or greater) strength to incapacitate her.
I beleive he used the power stone to punch her.
Thanos ruined everything. He even managed to screw up killing Miss Marvel.