"Friga is a good mother... Unlike Odin who is not a particularly good mother" Not sure if that was a lapsus lingue of if it was intentional, but it made me chuckle.
Based solely on what we see in the Thor movies: Back in the day Bori defended Earth against invasion by the Frost Giants. Odin took the throne and with Hela became war mongering conquering dictatorial force. Odin realized this and how badly he had messed up. So the Thor-verse we see is Odin's attempt to turn his warmongering past into an actual noble and wise peaceful future. The problem is the roots of it are so rotten that eventually Odin's past catches up with Thor and his generation. All in all it's a very deep story, however Marvel seemed afraid to embrace it.
When the “guard” Loki returns to Odin to report Loki’s death. He doesn’t state him by name. He says “We found a body”. To which Odin says “Loki”. Most people I assume interpreted that as him knowing that Loki was the body that was found. It is possible though that he said “Loki”, as a greeting or an acknowledgement that he knew that the guard speaking to him was in fact Loki in disguise. Just thought it interesting to consider. Odin has a very weird way with words, well portrayed by Hopkins, that leaves you wondering what he truly meant. Like in Thor 1 when he simply stated “No” to Loki right before he let go of the staff and fell into (space I guess?)
I have always thought that what Odin/Hopkins meant by saying "no"..is a reply to Loki's claims that he was doing all the things in "Thor" to "make you proud, father." Odin believed that the main reason for Loki's actions in Thor are selfish and self-serving. Hence why Loki let go and fell from the Bifrost with despair, because even until the end (at that time), Loki failed to earn his father's trust.
My head canon for why Selveig is so nutso is that he uniquely had _two_ gods in his head (and I don't mean Loki as either). As you put it yourself the infinity stones do seem to have some unknown level of sentience, I myself suspect that they subtly give their holders some knowledge of how to use them (depending on the person in question). This would explain how Zola and Howard Stark were so effective at reverse engineering facets of the Tesseract. In Selvieg's case he was influenced by two infinity stones at once - under control of the Mind gem and working on the Space gem. We know that using multiple gems is even more taxing than just using a single one and I think this would also apply to being mentally influenced by multiple gems, which off the top of my head is fairly unique to Selvieg. I've always wondered at an in-universe explanation for all the gems recently passing through Terran hands (the out of universe explanation being rather obvious). Space stone - years on Earth, Reality stone - absorbed by Jane and accessed through Earth, Time stone - protected by Earth mystics, Mind stone - sent to Earth by Thanos, Power stone - Found by half Terran Peter Quill, Soul stone guarded by trapped former-human Schmidt. Thanos should probably have realised there was something fishy about all this, maybe some unknown power influencing matters for some unknown purpose.
You know, there's a scene where Darcy is trying to contact SHIELD and there's no answer. Because that's when HYYDRA came out. That's actually continuity.
For what it’s worth, shield does show up. Back when agents of shield was following the movies, the episode immediately following this film starts off with them cleaning up this section of London.
Did you work in IT? You talk exactly like our IT Director. Very intelligent man-knows people and their motivations well- terrible bedside manner. He sometimes comes off very arrogant and is unaware of that fact or doesn’t care. Has a soft spot for the underdog. Also-IT Crowd is a great show. Captures the culture of that field very well,
I think the theme of phase 2 was supposed to be 'the avengers happened, now what?' And I don't mean that as a joke. Iron man 3 showed the personal toll something like that would take on someone, I agree it messed up Tony's arc but I stand by the intent, this movie showed the interpersonal relationship toll between Thor's family, Captain America the Winter Soldier showed the political fallout, and guardians, tried, to show the intergalactic ramifications of Thanos wanting the stones. Even Age of Ultron was the result of the world's reaction to the battle of new york.
Hi Lore. Glad you’re doing these again; perhaps a full Infinity Saga rumination ? By the way, it seems that the video quality is pretty low, even when at the highest setting.
I think part of the reason Loki mocks Captain America is because Thor really respects Steve Rogers. This is using sources besides the films, but in the recent Avengers game, when Captain America dies, Thor blames himself. He feels so unworthy that he places Mjolnir at Cap's memorial, and stays on Earth for five years. In the comics, a future All-Father Thor brings life back to a devastated Earth. Thor creates two humans, named Jane and Steve.
Actually both this and cap 2 set up both of those characters as being disillusioned with their repsective goverments and feeling like to much power in one place is a bad thing. Something that is important in understanding age of ultron.
When I watched this film for the first time, before I was aware of the many, many, many deleted scenes, I thought that Loki had created an illusion of Frigga to have someone to talk to.
It is my Head canon that the Avengers and SHEILD were in Quinjets flying across the Ocean to England while the fight was happening, but Thor and company beat them to quickly. And if Agents of Shield is to be considered cannon, they did show up afterwards to collect all the Dark Elf tech.
I agree one hundred per cent about the parts with Loki and Thor being the best parts of the film. In fact, those elements brought Thor: The Dark World up from a bad to an average movie to me, and I did think that it seemed they got a whole different writer to pen those scenes, which it turned out they did. I love Loki's 'ta-da!' Part after they burst through the portal the best.
You didn't bring up what I have always thought was the most ridiculous part of this film. Malkeith and his people have been away for 5000 years and yet are portrayed as having technology that the Asgardians can't defeat. So the Asgardians haven't developed in the 5000 years since they first defeated the Dark Elves?
with Odin's attitude: I was under the idea that the Realms not being "under control" presented the situation where he could easily take up his old warlord mentalities... there is no time for diplomacy and decorum, there is an insurrection to suppress. you either serve a purpose or you are expendable / a liability.
The Dark Elves were an inherently kind of a bad idea for a movie antagonist, since by their nature and that of their big evil plan, they're inevitably going to make the whole movie hard to see in less-than-optimal lighting conditions. One way that you could have gotten around this is to say that the "darkness" they hail from isn't specifically just the absence of light, but rather some kind of weird "anti-light" which does enable vision, but is still wrong in some other way (such as not promoting photosynthesis). So to visualize this more easily, imagine an entire universe of nothing but red and blue and purple, then imagine that the Dark Elves are instead the Green Elves, and they emit this weird greenish-yellow light which the audience can see just fine, but which is immediately and noticeably alien to this entire reddish-purple cosmos. Doing that with our own real-world color palette is obviously trickier, since it's hard to put The Color Out of Space up on the big screen, but there are ways of pulling off such visual trickery, representing the "anti-light" of the Svartalves with a very particular shade of, say, greenish-blue that isn't shown anywhere else in the film's universe, even though that color does exist in reality to some slight effect. It would have given Malekith and his people a bit more of an alien feel, while also seeming vaguely mystical, but not denied the audience the ability to tell what's happening on the screen, and not turned the entire movie into an ugly washed-out brown mess.
And unlike iron man 3, no one else showing up kind of makes sense, seeing as how the ending comes and goes relatively quickly so I’m cool with their absence in this one.
23:19 we dont actually know what the others are like as the only one we see that was ""taken"" by the staff is Hawkeye and he somehow sees scarlet witch coming and disables her before she can attack him now i put this down to Hawkeye actually having omnisight or True sight as they kind of hit at it a few times across the MCU (he takes out SW in AOU and in the Avengers film we see him shot and arrow at a bad guy on a speeder bike without looking at him and it hits) but if thats not true (im sad) how is it he takes out Wanda? maybe each person that got staffed has had there brain changed in some way that fits there mind, so Hawkeye can just sense outside of his FOV and for salvic who's mind was always outside the box it just made him odder (im pretending the running around naked bit didnt happen) also why isnt he working for shield? i dont think shield would let someone like him go and they would be willing to accommodate his eccentricities just to keep the only guy that knows this kind of stuff working for them. 32:41 Lady Sif not been in Ragnarok is a good thing as its confirmed that she lived past Thor 3 she also apparently survived the SNAP but for some reason was never in any of the films :( as for her not been in the films she was filming a show called Blind spot, ive never seen it but the trailer for it was her waking up in a suitcase in time square naked.
Watched it again, my wife likes it a lot. I enjoy it, the stuff taking place in the non Midgard realms is fun and interesting. But the movie as a whole has a lack of... Punch. It's missing that one amazing part, though the part where they break Loki out comes close.
So not a lot to say about this movie that, you haven't said, only that i think that Loki stayed there and "died" for Frigga, it would be nice for Thor. But i don't think that, Loki was there for Thor, he had his fun with him, but he wasn't there for him. He was doing it for a chance to escape and if he got a chance to get revenge it would be nice. And he got more then, he could excepted out of Thor... And he was happy... He was happy to know that, and that's why he also decided to test Odin regarding himself, and why he gave Thor his freedom, i think that if that didn't happen... Loki would have told Thor "Well okay is nice, if you want to come back you can, but leave the hammer on the vault".
so while most people consider this to be one of the worst MCU films i personally think its a really good film and a massive part of the development between Loki and Thor and its a shame that the Loki TV show wont be using this version of Loki (even though im guessing and fearing that the writers of the Loki show will treat their Loki as if he has lived though the events of this film and Ragnarok) its a testament to Tom Hiddleston that Loki is so liked when we see him actually cut out a guys eye layer by layer in the avengers film while smiling, now granted he wasnt in his right mind at the time as the staff was effecting him just as much as anyone else but still messing with eyes is a no go. 16:51 i didnt know they had confirmed that or that anyone else had had the same idea as me :D one of my favourite moments in all the MCU is from this film and its when Loki is in his cell and he gets the News then later when Thor comes to see him. so one thing that makes me HATE jane foster is her friend, i learned that she will be in the wandavision show and i was like ""Great now i cant watch that show no matter how important it is the all of phase 4""
Yeah, my favourite part of this movie is Chris O'Dowd from the IT Crowd. (And I pronounce his name the same as you. Of course that doesn't mean we're right).
Does the MCU ever explain what Asgardian powers are? In the first Thor he mentions that Asgardian magic is technology, so are their powers technological? Are they innate in their biology or a “mutation.” If they are biological how does Freya teach Loki magic as they are not blood related?
Since biologically-based superpowers can exist in this universe, I would presume that Asgardian hypertech is used to genetically engineer the gods and possibly to implant cybernetics in them (Heimdall's powers absolutely make no sense unless they're linked to some sort of sensor apparatus which is incorporated into the substructure of Asgard and/or Yggrdrasil).
I enjoy it just for the exploration of the nine realms and some great character stuff. Otherwise it's very blah. Oh yeah Odin is basically a force of nature at times and he is always an ends justify the means god.
I enjoyed the extra birdsong at the start of this one, and a few other amusing gaffes such as "Odin is not a good mother", but to me the real quality of this rumination is that Lore has pulled out the better story that's hiding behind this one, as he so often does for crappy Star Trek episodes. This absolutely should have been a mythological epic about the relationship between Thor and Loki and Odin and Frigga, with a mortal perspective coming from Jane and an alien one from Malekith as he seeks revenge against the son of Borr, and leave out all this garbage about Infinity Stones and goofy physics jokes caused by the Convergence. As it stands, while this movie isn't as actively bad and annoying as Iron Man 2, it is severely boring and has historically not really been worth my time, but I will eventually watch it at least once more, so that I can go through it with this Rumi as a guide and see if I too can see the better film hidden inside it.
People say the seriousness of Thor doesn’t work that’s why Ragnarok works so well. But I’ll argue it’s the damn opposite! Like almost single joke doesn’t work in this movie especially when focused on the Earth people.
they hand wave that away in Ragnarok, Odin says he got blindsided by him and that his mother taught him well, they dont say how long he was under the spell but he Odin did break out of it quite quickly but decided to stay on earth, it was probaly easier to get the spell to stick as he was slowly dieing.
You know what's the dumbest thing about this film? It's Loki not simulating blood once he "cut off" Thor's arm. He just wouldn't have forgotten that, c'mon. Edit: I'm only here to hear you talking about Loki for an hour.
The Dark World isnt terrible, but there is enough forced joking around, disinterested playing of Portman, (ps now all of a sudden she becomes Thor(?) for part 4), the story wasnt the best, though the premise was interesting to me. Its a rough one to watch. And phase 2 needed the Captain America Winter Soldier and Guardians a year later, cause else phase 2 was going to be a let down, despite what one might think of Iron Man 3 and Thor and I dont know what the long term remifications would have been...
"Friga is a good mother... Unlike Odin who is not a particularly good mother" Not sure if that was a lapsus lingue of if it was intentional, but it made me chuckle.
Based solely on what we see in the Thor movies: Back in the day Bori defended Earth against invasion by the Frost Giants. Odin took the throne and with Hela became war mongering conquering dictatorial force. Odin realized this and how badly he had messed up. So the Thor-verse we see is Odin's attempt to turn his warmongering past into an actual noble and wise peaceful future. The problem is the roots of it are so rotten that eventually Odin's past catches up with Thor and his generation. All in all it's a very deep story, however Marvel seemed afraid to embrace it.
When the “guard” Loki returns to Odin to report Loki’s death. He doesn’t state him by name. He says “We found a body”. To which Odin says “Loki”. Most people I assume interpreted that as him knowing that Loki was the body that was found. It is possible though that he said “Loki”, as a greeting or an acknowledgement that he knew that the guard speaking to him was in fact Loki in disguise. Just thought it interesting to consider. Odin has a very weird way with words, well portrayed by Hopkins, that leaves you wondering what he truly meant. Like in Thor 1 when he simply stated “No” to Loki right before he let go of the staff and fell into (space I guess?)
I have always thought that what Odin/Hopkins meant by saying "no"..is a reply to Loki's claims that he was doing all the things in "Thor" to "make you proud, father."
Odin believed that the main reason for Loki's actions in Thor are selfish and self-serving.
Hence why Loki let go and fell from the Bifrost with despair, because even until the end (at that time), Loki failed to earn his father's trust.
My head canon for why Selveig is so nutso is that he uniquely had _two_ gods in his head (and I don't mean Loki as either). As you put it yourself the infinity stones do seem to have some unknown level of sentience, I myself suspect that they subtly give their holders some knowledge of how to use them (depending on the person in question). This would explain how Zola and Howard Stark were so effective at reverse engineering facets of the Tesseract. In Selvieg's case he was influenced by two infinity stones at once - under control of the Mind gem and working on the Space gem. We know that using multiple gems is even more taxing than just using a single one and I think this would also apply to being mentally influenced by multiple gems, which off the top of my head is fairly unique to Selvieg.
I've always wondered at an in-universe explanation for all the gems recently passing through Terran hands (the out of universe explanation being rather obvious). Space stone - years on Earth, Reality stone - absorbed by Jane and accessed through Earth, Time stone - protected by Earth mystics, Mind stone - sent to Earth by Thanos, Power stone - Found by half Terran Peter Quill, Soul stone guarded by trapped former-human Schmidt. Thanos should probably have realised there was something fishy about all this, maybe some unknown power influencing matters for some unknown purpose.
You know, there's a scene where Darcy is trying to contact SHIELD and there's no answer. Because that's when HYYDRA came out. That's actually continuity.
For what it’s worth, shield does show up. Back when agents of shield was following the movies, the episode immediately following this film starts off with them cleaning up this section of London.
Did you work in IT? You talk exactly like our IT Director. Very intelligent man-knows people and their motivations well- terrible bedside manner. He sometimes comes off very arrogant and is unaware of that fact or doesn’t care. Has a soft spot for the underdog. Also-IT Crowd is a great show. Captures the culture of that field very well,
I think the theme of phase 2 was supposed to be 'the avengers happened, now what?' And I don't mean that as a joke. Iron man 3 showed the personal toll something like that would take on someone, I agree it messed up Tony's arc but I stand by the intent, this movie showed the interpersonal relationship toll between Thor's family, Captain America the Winter Soldier showed the political fallout, and guardians, tried, to show the intergalactic ramifications of Thanos wanting the stones. Even Age of Ultron was the result of the world's reaction to the battle of new york.
Hi Lore. Glad you’re doing these again; perhaps a full Infinity Saga rumination ? By the way, it seems that the video quality is pretty low, even when at the highest setting.
I think part of the reason Loki mocks Captain America is because Thor really respects Steve Rogers. This is using sources besides the films, but in the recent Avengers game, when Captain America dies, Thor blames himself. He feels so unworthy that he places Mjolnir at Cap's memorial, and stays on Earth for five years. In the comics, a future All-Father Thor brings life back to a devastated Earth. Thor creates two humans, named Jane and Steve.
Actually both this and cap 2 set up both of those characters as being disillusioned with their repsective goverments and feeling like to much power in one place is a bad thing. Something that is important in understanding age of ultron.
When I watched this film for the first time, before I was aware of the many, many, many deleted scenes, I thought that Loki had created an illusion of Frigga to have someone to talk to.
Someone needs to take the final battle scene and insert a bunch of Portal and Portal 2 memes. Or better yet do that to the entire movie.
It is my Head canon that the Avengers and SHEILD were in Quinjets flying across the Ocean to England while the fight was happening, but Thor and company beat them to quickly. And if Agents of Shield is to be considered cannon, they did show up afterwards to collect all the Dark Elf tech.
I agree one hundred per cent about the parts with Loki and Thor being the best parts of the film. In fact, those elements brought Thor: The Dark World up from a bad to an average movie to me, and I did think that it seemed they got a whole different writer to pen those scenes, which it turned out they did. I love Loki's 'ta-da!' Part after they burst through the portal the best.
You didn't bring up what I have always thought was the most ridiculous part of this film. Malkeith and his people have been away for 5000 years and yet are portrayed as having technology that the Asgardians can't defeat. So the Asgardians haven't developed in the 5000 years since they first defeated the Dark Elves?
with Odin's attitude: I was under the idea that the Realms not being "under control" presented the situation where he could easily take up his old warlord mentalities... there is no time for diplomacy and decorum, there is an insurrection to suppress. you either serve a purpose or you are expendable / a liability.
Selvig was under the influence of the Mind Stone for quite a lot longer than anyone else, hell longer than what is seen in the Avengers.
The Dark Elves were an inherently kind of a bad idea for a movie antagonist, since by their nature and that of their big evil plan, they're inevitably going to make the whole movie hard to see in less-than-optimal lighting conditions. One way that you could have gotten around this is to say that the "darkness" they hail from isn't specifically just the absence of light, but rather some kind of weird "anti-light" which does enable vision, but is still wrong in some other way (such as not promoting photosynthesis). So to visualize this more easily, imagine an entire universe of nothing but red and blue and purple, then imagine that the Dark Elves are instead the Green Elves, and they emit this weird greenish-yellow light which the audience can see just fine, but which is immediately and noticeably alien to this entire reddish-purple cosmos. Doing that with our own real-world color palette is obviously trickier, since it's hard to put The Color Out of Space up on the big screen, but there are ways of pulling off such visual trickery, representing the "anti-light" of the Svartalves with a very particular shade of, say, greenish-blue that isn't shown anywhere else in the film's universe, even though that color does exist in reality to some slight effect. It would have given Malekith and his people a bit more of an alien feel, while also seeming vaguely mystical, but not denied the audience the ability to tell what's happening on the screen, and not turned the entire movie into an ugly washed-out brown mess.
And unlike iron man 3, no one else showing up kind of makes sense, seeing as how the ending comes and goes relatively quickly so I’m cool with their absence in this one.
23:19 we dont actually know what the others are like as the only one we see that was ""taken"" by the staff is Hawkeye and he somehow sees scarlet witch coming and disables her before she can attack him now i put this down to Hawkeye actually having omnisight or True sight as they kind of hit at it a few times across the MCU (he takes out SW in AOU and in the Avengers film we see him shot and arrow at a bad guy on a speeder bike without looking at him and it hits) but if thats not true (im sad) how is it he takes out Wanda? maybe each person that got staffed has had there brain changed in some way that fits there mind, so Hawkeye can just sense outside of his FOV and for salvic who's mind was always outside the box it just made him odder (im pretending the running around naked bit didnt happen) also why isnt he working for shield? i dont think shield would let someone like him go and they would be willing to accommodate his eccentricities just to keep the only guy that knows this kind of stuff working for them.
32:41 Lady Sif not been in Ragnarok is a good thing as its confirmed that she lived past Thor 3 she also apparently survived the SNAP but for some reason was never in any of the films :( as for her not been in the films she was filming a show called Blind spot, ive never seen it but the trailer for it was her waking up in a suitcase in time square naked.
I always thought it was the aether but it's very ambiguous. I wanted to see it do more reality manipulation.
Watched it again, my wife likes it a lot. I enjoy it, the stuff taking place in the non Midgard realms is fun and interesting. But the movie as a whole has a lack of... Punch. It's missing that one amazing part, though the part where they break Loki out comes close.
So not a lot to say about this movie that, you haven't said, only that i think that Loki stayed there and "died" for Frigga, it would be nice for Thor. But i don't think that, Loki was there for Thor, he had his fun with him, but he wasn't there for him. He was doing it for a chance to escape and if he got a chance to get revenge it would be nice. And he got more then, he could excepted out of Thor... And he was happy... He was happy to know that, and that's why he also decided to test Odin regarding himself, and why he gave Thor his freedom, i think that if that didn't happen... Loki would have told Thor "Well okay is nice, if you want to come back you can, but leave the hammer on the vault".
so while most people consider this to be one of the worst MCU films i personally think its a really good film and a massive part of the development between Loki and Thor and its a shame that the Loki TV show wont be using this version of Loki (even though im guessing and fearing that the writers of the Loki show will treat their Loki as if he has lived though the events of this film and Ragnarok) its a testament to Tom Hiddleston that Loki is so liked when we see him actually cut out a guys eye layer by layer in the avengers film while smiling, now granted he wasnt in his right mind at the time as the staff was effecting him just as much as anyone else but still messing with eyes is a no go.
16:51 i didnt know they had confirmed that or that anyone else had had the same idea as me :D
one of my favourite moments in all the MCU is from this film and its when Loki is in his cell and he gets the News then later when Thor comes to see him.
so one thing that makes me HATE jane foster is her friend, i learned that she will be in the wandavision show and i was like ""Great now i cant watch that show no matter how important it is the all of phase 4""
Yeah, my favourite part of this movie is Chris O'Dowd from the IT Crowd. (And I pronounce his name the same as you. Of course that doesn't mean we're right).
Does the MCU ever explain what Asgardian powers are? In the first Thor he mentions that Asgardian magic is technology, so are their powers technological? Are they innate in their biology or a “mutation.” If they are biological how does Freya teach Loki magic as they are not blood related?
Since biologically-based superpowers can exist in this universe, I would presume that Asgardian hypertech is used to genetically engineer the gods and possibly to implant cybernetics in them (Heimdall's powers absolutely make no sense unless they're linked to some sort of sensor apparatus which is incorporated into the substructure of Asgard and/or Yggrdrasil).
I enjoy it just for the exploration of the nine realms and some great character stuff. Otherwise it's very blah.
Oh yeah Odin is basically a force of nature at times and he is always an ends justify the means god.
Well our cops don't carry guns around, or not many of them anyway, so they are far less confrontational to avoid inflaming a situation.
I enjoyed the extra birdsong at the start of this one, and a few other amusing gaffes such as "Odin is not a good mother", but to me the real quality of this rumination is that Lore has pulled out the better story that's hiding behind this one, as he so often does for crappy Star Trek episodes. This absolutely should have been a mythological epic about the relationship between Thor and Loki and Odin and Frigga, with a mortal perspective coming from Jane and an alien one from Malekith as he seeks revenge against the son of Borr, and leave out all this garbage about Infinity Stones and goofy physics jokes caused by the Convergence. As it stands, while this movie isn't as actively bad and annoying as Iron Man 2, it is severely boring and has historically not really been worth my time, but I will eventually watch it at least once more, so that I can go through it with this Rumi as a guide and see if I too can see the better film hidden inside it.
12:07 so the Asgardians are basically the MCU version of the Iconians from Star trek only slightly nicer.
33:30 mhhhhmmm. That moment pretty much made me dislike Odin.
That was messed up.
Great stuff Lore
Shield showed up later for the clean up of the fight
Good work as always
People say the seriousness of Thor doesn’t work that’s why Ragnarok works so well. But I’ll argue it’s the damn opposite! Like almost single joke doesn’t work in this movie especially when focused on the Earth people.
It was an alright movie
You didn't mention one of the biggest ? in the MCU:
How in hell did little Loki overpower Odin to the point of memory loss and exile on Earth?
they hand wave that away in Ragnarok, Odin says he got blindsided by him and that his mother taught him well, they dont say how long he was under the spell but he Odin did break out of it quite quickly but decided to stay on earth, it was probaly easier to get the spell to stick as he was slowly dieing.
He used his off-screen powers. Which one's? Exactly. 😉
Continuity!
There was a Thor 2?
Lol
You know what's the dumbest thing about this film? It's Loki not simulating blood once he "cut off" Thor's arm.
He just wouldn't have forgotten that, c'mon.
Edit: I'm only here to hear you talking about Loki for an hour.
7:08 *Looks at the website* No you didn't, Guardians comes before Age of Ultron, that one is wrong in the order...
Darkelfheim 🤣🤣🤣
The Dark World isnt terrible, but there is enough forced joking around, disinterested playing of Portman, (ps now all of a sudden she becomes Thor(?) for part 4), the story wasnt the best, though the premise was interesting to me. Its a rough one to watch. And phase 2 needed the Captain America Winter Soldier and Guardians a year later, cause else phase 2 was going to be a let down, despite what one might think of Iron Man 3 and Thor and I dont know what the long term remifications would have been...