I know all the 4080 Super owners are watching this. So let me add some two cents. I bought a 4080 Super Suprim X at launch day, and I actually just bought a RTX4090 this morning. So it looks like about 40% boost most of the time stock vs stock. No matter how you slice it or overclocked vs overclocked. That’s pretty reasonable. I will say this though. I did not need a 4090 at all. I was dumb and jumped on a good deal for $1350 straight cash for a like new 4090. Now, As for the 4080 Super. I never felt like it was not strong enough. I play strictly 4K Ultra. And the 4080 Super is an absolute beast. I flashed mine to the 450W bios and it’s really strong. Of course you can do the same with a RTX4090, but you can get a 4080 Super performing about 65-70% of a “Stock” 4090, if you slam overclock it to the max, but of course the same can be said for the 4090, it too can be overclocked, typically 6-10% is gained from overclocking . Now, some of these titles the 4090 just smashes the 4080 Super, in these rare scenarios Where cuda core count wins, and bandwidth just crushes. So you might see some weird 40-45% faster wins with a RTX4090. I still think a 4080 Super is an amazing option, and maybe just keep the 4080S at this point. Unless you’re getting a good deal or you are financially solid then just grab a 4090. I bought a 4080 Super originally because I could not afford a 4090 or I just didn’t want to pay all of that. I have been very very happy with my 4080 Super. Now I have a 4090 and a 4080 Super. I think they’re pretty close performance wise. Comment updated 9/23: Having owned the 4090 a few months now. It’s about 40-42% faster avg “Atleast” I benched my 4080S in Everything, and then raced my self with the 4090. And the difference is definitely substantial to worthy a 4090. I was afraid it was not going be a very large improvement, and I was wrong 100%. Regardless how much faster the 4090 is, the 4080 Super and 4090 is a GREAT option for 4K gaming even in later 2024. Both monster cards!!!
Just think, thats the kind of money that can buy you an holiday, anything you buy will be outdated in a couple of years anyway, and for what?...does that detail really matter at all when you are playing games...I say not a lot.
@@cakeseeker2889 Any PC you buy will be out for date in a year, its got the worst depreciation of any product you can buy. I used to build top spec PC's for years, but its at the point now in technology where the advantage in graphics to cost, is so weak, that its very wasteful, you take the RTX4080, in 1-2 years that card will be almost given away. Not worth it mate, buy a 2nd hand average RTX like 4070 ti at most, or you could argue even the old 3080 offers far better value if you dont want to play at 4k all the time.
4o8oS vs 4o9o 4K +% 4o9o Alan Wake II + 37 Forza 5 + 26 Cyberpunk + 26,2 RDR II + 25,5 Starfield + 28,8 Pandora + 31,2 Flight Sim + 31,6 Witcher III + 22 Remnant II + 26 Last of Us + 32,4 --- ~ 28,7%
Well you would expect a big difference for an almost 1000$ gap between the two cards (I know the 4090 has a 1600$ MSRP, but good luck finding one at that price). Whereas the 4080 S is "only" 200$ more expensive than the 4070 TI S.
Good performance for the 4090, but huge power draw also 👀. On some games 400w+. I hope next generation a 5070 like same 4090 performance and less power consumption.
@@lobiankk77 will be. 5070 ti will be same or better than 4090. this isn't rocket science newbie. 4070 ti beats 3090 as well, and 3090 was just as pricey and good when it was released as 4090 now.
@@Dex4Sure We were taking about the 5070, not the 5070 Ti, "newbie". Yes, the 4070 Ti is faster than the 3090, but the 4070 is barely as fast as 3080, so I predict the 5070 will be 4080/4080S levels of performance.
That's why im probably gonna save up for AMD .if the 4090 was still 1600 I probably could make that happen but even then that's pushing it but maybe I will but dang has Nvidia got even greedier while 7900xtx is mostly the same price
@Brent_P 1080 ti was so overpowered for its time, it was like the rtx 4090 today, sure rtx are more powerful today and technologically advanced but the prices shouldnt sky rocket like they do
@abdelghnilakhdar6495 I bought two GTX 1080s in mid-2017 (to my later regret) because the 1080 Ti wasn't powerful enough for me. Pascal & SLI became irrelevant by 2019. Not even close to a 4090.
I’m very happy with my 12 GB 4070 ti (Gigabyte, the Gaming version), I play on 2K quality with ultra settings, and the temperature of the GPU never gone above 70 c. Just in case if want to upgrade my gpu in the future? maybe then I will consider 5080, 5080 S or 5080 ti S.
Damn the 4090 can't even hit 4k 120fps in all titles? It's crazy that the LG C1 can be had for pretty cheap these days but the top of line GPU can't even make full use of it. It also seems like some games are forcing a 60fps framerate. But yeah 4k@120 ultra when?
It’s not double the price it’s like 40% more expensive. For like 30% more performance. Which is good. There’s a law of diminishing returns. Double the performance costs more than double the price to make. The more performance the more each percent increase costs to manufacture.
@@drunkhusband6257 crypto currency is dead, they can drop the cost unless they can't produce more GPU. ...AMD seem to be able to make good product for everyone, maybe because they are on PS5 & XSX hardware.
@@JoeMama-yl1ow you sound mad broke. Ill wait to see rtx 5000serie or rx 8000. Even ps5 pro sound better with exclusive. Look like YOU cant afford a good pc lol imagine you you dont have any pc and wannbe sound rich. then you can only afford to bootleg
To me the 4080S makes more sense at $999 vs $1599 (if you can even find it at that price but mostly $1799 now). Why? Because the 4090 in most modern demanding titles can't even do 120fps on average but does get closer to the 100fps vs the 4080S. The 4080S can do 60fps in 4K. Pay almost 60% less now and enjoy 4K 60fps until 5000 or 6000 series cards come out for less than $1k for 4K@120FPS is my next target.
Guys 4090 GPU is most for 3D Work and rendering... for gaming its a stupid idea buy the card which is 1600$+ if you dont need 4090 for job , so dont buy it and spend money in a better way
The only way I think you'd notice the difference between the cards is if they were displayed side by side exactly like this, with FPS scores showing. The 4080S is the much better deal imo, especially since the 5000s are coming down the pipe real soon.
Awesome work dude! However, I think you should _definitely_ add Arma Reforger to your testing roll. It may not be as well known, or popular title as others you usually use for testing but its lighting simulation and insane distant rendering will easily put any CPU/GPU combo through its paces.
isnt this normal for high end cards???? higher end should never be more value than lower end cards, unless ur talking about the 4060 or 4060 ti this gen which is the exception
@@turtleboi9385generally it’s a bell curve of value yes. Usually the 60 class has the best fps/$ anything above or below usually has worse value and gets worse the farther you stray from the 60 card. However Nvidia has definitely tried to lessen the value gap by raising prices of lower class cards to push people up the ladder. 4090 at $1600 vs a 4080 at $1200 actually was pretty similar value. 33% price jump for 25-40% better performance.
4080 super @ 1440p 2k resolution is the sweetspot right now with all the games at ultra dlss high refresh rates over 165hz etc sweetspot right there on oled or fast ips or wait for the 5090
@@dg7438 ya still running my 1070ti ftw2 wanted to buy a 4090 or 4080 super but after the rumors that the 50 series come out in a few months ill just wait and upgrade mobo cpu gpu ram with the new am5 cpu from amd comings out too this winter no need to buy this generation at the end of the generation ill still build a 1440p gaming setup much much better than 4k for ultra gsync hdr high fps high refresh rates etc just not sure between ultrawide or 3 27'inch monitors... tried my first ultrawide this week didn't like it 1 bit curved etc
@@cloudstrife7083 sounds nice, good luck in your decision. Personally I don't like ultrawides but I would get two or three smaller monitors next to each other
Would like a new GPU for Microsoft Flight Simulator in VR. Although 4k is good on both my VR headset (G2) is native at 33% more pixels than 4K which I don’t think is enough on either of these without making adjustments. Have to wait until RTX 5000 for better value.
you got money for 4080s i think you should wait and save some money for 50s just in case, and im pretty sure you can still buy the 40s if 5090 or 80 is overpriced or lame.
@@prenti1205 I mean let's be real the only reason you would ever want or need FG is to hit improbable framerates in unreasonable scenarios. Like beyond 60 at 4K, beyond 60 with RT etc aka basically playing beyond your capabilities. Otherwise, if your playing within your boundaries, you really don't need it. Think about it, if you can't hit 4K 60 with RT on or off, it's not that you need or you could use FG, really you just need a stronger card, power, you don't need FG.
@@SupremacyGamesYTLol, FG is an amazing tech, it reduces CPU bottleneck so in theory you can even save more money on CPU, but CPU are so good value rn it doesn't matter. There is a AFMF mod that works on RTX cards only, never tried FG but this mod is pretty decent. If reviewers say it's still a step behind FG, Im sure no one would complain about that tech
I thought there was an actual huge performance increase for an extra 1000$ but i have been fooled the entire time i thought the 4090 was atleast like 50% faster 💀
So which RTX 4080 supper or 4090 would you recommend? I know you more than likely say it depends on how much your willing to spend! But if you can give me the top one from both the 4080 supper and 4090 that would be great.
4080 is half the price but almost over 60fps in majority of these comparisons. I don't have a lot of experience with 4k gaming but does it matter, if you're at 60fps already, that the other card is at 75fps? Is that extra 15fps really going to be that noticeable?
@@TestingGames im using the same arctic liquid freezer II but 360 version. Still getting above 70c. Any idea whats the problem with that sir? my CPU is 10900K
There’s numerous factors that can affect your cpu temperature besides just your aio like the type of case you have, how many fans you have and what speed they are running at, also the ambient temperature in the room your pc is in makes a difference too.
From the rtx 4000 series nothing wil ever come close or beat the 4090 only ther nex gen of gpus. That 4090 is a monster of a card. And me crying with my rtx 2060 6gb.😢
I order one today but the founder edition but it hearts my bank account I wish I bought it early since the price is 4 times the amount of each version original price
Don’t worry you get one I was going to get one on eBay use for 1600 but buy it Amazon well eBay is a good choose 😅 since they usually go for total 1900 I wanted it to get hear fast.
Now only 4090 super is left which i think will be a 2 lakh 7 thousand rupees gpu and then 4090ti which will be 2 lakh 50 thousand rupees gpu. (As an indian i wrote in rupees)
5 years? I don't know...I really think that you're going to be able to play every game in terms of graphics. But then they are going to release games with LLM models and in order to play them well you're gonna need more VRAM if you don't want to wait 2 mins for the npc to answer xD. Business will never stop.
Hello good day, I want to put a 4080 on my 7800g, I would like to know if it is a good combination and I won't have a bottleneck in 2k and 4k, what do you think, is it a good option?
Some people in the comments forgets saying that the 5070ti will beat the 4090 I highly doubt it but the 4080 even if it matches the 4090 wouldn't be able to be sold to China, so it'll probably be as good as the Chinese versions of the 4090.
nah, just wait for new games. when 4080S will start to drop frames below acceptable levels 4090 would be still efficient. thats why u buy more expensive cards. but ofc, 4080 is completely fine too
Looks like we going to see RTX4080ti and RTX4080ti Super soon, bc the diff between these 2 cards are huge... i mean if RTX4090 ti or super releases the performance diff will be TOO much, Bc of that i think they might sattled the price diff as well as the performance when ALL of 4000 series card have been released
Bro how do you define huge differences by mere 10-15 FPS difference MAX. NVIDIA Will release 4090TI Only or 4090 SUPER They would never release 4080 TI or a 4080TI Super. Hypothetically if they do then they would scam those who bought the 4090 because the 4080Ti and Super u say will closely outperform it like how do u guys think they will release it.
Everyone looks at the big gap in performance, and they’re like, “Wow, it’s very big, the 4080s doesn’t reach it at all" but why don’t they all look at the fact that the damn 4090 costs TWO THOUSAND BUCKS!, and the 4080s costs a THOUSAND, the difference between them like TWO 4080s, or ONE 4090, or one thousand buy 4080s and for another thousand all the necessary components, or just 4090, just think, now this comparison is more suitable, right!?
I have Both cards 4080 Vanilla and the 4090 I take pleasure in the fact i bought early got a 4080 for $1100 while everyone else is bitching about prices being too high ,Tell you guys something don't wait for things to change because you're just going to be disappointed in the end facts. Shout out to the people who bought a 4080 super for it to be the same as a regular 4080 at the same price or higher congratulations Nvidia dupped you again!
This would've been viable if it was built on AD102 and had the same amount of cores as RTX 4090 D, or even just like 15% less of the 4090 D would've been sick. Sadly, Nvidia won't ever do that, and the gap between 80 class and 90 class GPUs will remain the same.
All gaming laptop creators have to do is up the power watts to pc power. More power = more FPS. They intentional cap laptop power so customer don’t pay less for better. If people knew how to reshoot a wire from the power battery to a the laptop they can make any laptop more powerful. 😂 Thank god for education and books.
Usually when 80 series Super or TI card release,they close to flagship on performance.. guess not this time...just price is lower than original 4080....4090 still have massive lead..good for nvidia people will buy that card for ultimate performance.
Its amazing that nvidias 4090 cost 2x of the 4080 but it does not have 2x the performance. I dont mind paying 2x over something else, but i want it to be 2x as fast, not 1.2x.. now you push 2x the fps and we can talk. now if you want to push 1.2x fps then i do not mind paying 1.2x the money.. being logical is easy.
@deadchannel7895 Right. Thanks for pointing out how smart you are. So then since you're so smart, what's the purpose of posting a comparison on YT if they are going to look the same anyway?
Just bought my MSI RTX 4080 SUPER, tested in Hogwarts and AFOP and I don't know what even to think about temperature. In AFOP on ultra I think it hit a little over 60 °C. I touched it and it was so hot! I kinda freacked out.. Is it okay or something wrong with my graphic card?
@@vandanakhambadkar8536 Well, when I tried to play AFOP on 4k or 2k ultra quality , temperatures hot 72 🥲.. 72! I'm kinda worrying about my M.2 that is right above GPU where all heat comes up.
@@dg7438 Can I ask you smth. Have you played with your 4080 S AFOP or Hogwarts? The thing is I've seen videos on YT where ppl played AFOP on 4k on their 4080 and action moves (mouse turns) were smooth.. For me on 4k it's very jerky.. like it's 20 fps, although 4k, DLSS, upscaling Biased, Ultra quality hits 40-60 fps, depends. But it's really unplayable when I have to like turn camera fast. Idk if it's my GPU or what. The only smoother Way is to turn "biased-performamce(or ultra performance), but then again quality is not so good, and a lot of smearing and a lot of shadow noises. Plus my biggest concern is when I watch any movie/video file either it's local file or UA-cam/Netflix - any camera movement or character movement is like it's 20 fps.... Disappointing.. can't even ignore it, it's so visible... No smooth video..No matter if it's FHD or 4k. Same. When with my old AMD GPU videos were perfect, I've never even noticed anything like that before anywhere. Anyone has an idea?
Why is a 4080 $1000? Jesus, imagine the price of everything below it. I'm glad I don't need a GPU right now. Hopefully 50 will return to sanity, or the economy will if it's that's fault.
The extra $800 that you spend for 25-30% more performance is pathetic you also save even more with the 4080 super as you aren't obligated towards buying the best CPU possible. I'd rather upgrade the 4080 super to the 5080 and do that every generation rather than getting the best if it means spending double for just a small performance increase.
Alan Wake 2 uses mesh shading to render lighting and its display on the models. I am not a computer science major, I am an engineering major, but this is what I've picked up on so far. The 3D models in games are just a bunch of triangles put together. Those triangles have edges called vertexes, so you'd use vertex shading to calculate the appearance of each one. There are other methods used in tandem such as compute and geometry shading, but the primary focus is with vertex shading. For most titles, this is a good foundation since the appearance is largely static and doesn't really need to change (Render distance and other elements are largely separate from this). However, if you have a game that does a lot of scaling up and down the detail, say, zooming in on a face for a live cutscene, or you're constantly changing what's in frame and what isn't, you drastically jack up the vertex count and need a method that is far more dynamic to match the needs instead of just computing all the vertices and then throwing it all away because it's not used. This is where mesh shading comes in. It helps break up the computational requirements into parallel chunks for the GPU to process, making it far more efficient. But, of course, you need a GPU that can handle this parallel processing (Which is why the GTX 10-series runs like dog water for Alan Wake II). NVidia's video demonstrating the technology (ua-cam.com/video/CRfZYJ_sk5E/v-deo.htmlsi=MZaf7hYISKj0posO) does a decent job of visualizing on a basic level where this technology would be useful, such as a constantly changing environment where as objects get closer, its important to render more detail
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Double the money for 30% more performance.. no thanks
In a better world the 4080 would be $700 and the 4090 would be $1.000
I wonder how cheap the AMD counterparts of this cards if they are that cheap.
In a better world I'd be able to afford a private jet.
I heard 7800 xt is dropping below 500$ and 7900 xtx below 900$@@MadridistaFrieren
@@normal_residentmeanwhile in my country rx 6800 non xt is 800 bucks💀(India)
Paid $1699 for my 4090 so I’ll take it..don’t hate 😂
I know all the 4080 Super owners are watching this. So let me add some two cents. I bought a 4080 Super Suprim X at launch day, and I actually just bought a RTX4090 this morning. So it looks like about 40% boost most of the time stock vs stock. No matter how you slice it or overclocked vs overclocked. That’s pretty reasonable. I will say this though. I did not need a 4090 at all. I was dumb and jumped on a good deal for $1350 straight cash for a like new 4090. Now, As for the 4080 Super. I never felt like it was not strong enough. I play strictly 4K Ultra. And the 4080 Super is an absolute beast. I flashed mine to the 450W bios and it’s really strong. Of course you can do the same with a RTX4090, but you can get a 4080 Super performing about 65-70% of a “Stock” 4090, if you slam overclock it to the max, but of course the same can be said for the 4090, it too can be overclocked, typically 6-10% is gained from overclocking . Now, some of these titles the 4090 just smashes the 4080 Super, in these rare scenarios Where cuda core count wins, and bandwidth just crushes. So you might see some weird 40-45% faster wins with a RTX4090. I still think a 4080 Super is an amazing option, and maybe just keep the 4080S at this point. Unless you’re getting a good deal or you are financially solid then just grab a 4090. I bought a 4080 Super originally because I could not afford a 4090 or I just didn’t want to pay all of that. I have been very very happy with my 4080 Super. Now I have a 4090 and a 4080 Super. I think they’re pretty close performance wise.
Comment updated 9/23: Having owned the 4090 a few months now. It’s about 40-42% faster avg “Atleast” I benched my 4080S in Everything, and then raced my self with the 4090. And the difference is definitely substantial to worthy a 4090. I was afraid it was not going be a very large improvement, and I was wrong 100%. Regardless how much faster the 4090 is, the 4080 Super and 4090 is a GREAT option for 4K gaming even in later 2024. Both monster cards!!!
Just think, thats the kind of money that can buy you an holiday, anything you buy will be outdated in a couple of years anyway, and for what?...does that detail really matter at all when you are playing games...I say not a lot.
@@engjds holiday is for a few weeks, I would rather a strong pc for years personally.
@@cakeseeker2889 Any PC you buy will be out for date in a year, its got the worst depreciation of any product you can buy. I used to build top spec PC's for years, but its at the point now in technology where the advantage in graphics to cost, is so weak, that its very wasteful, you take the RTX4080, in 1-2 years that card will be almost given away. Not worth it mate, buy a 2nd hand average RTX like 4070 ti at most, or you could argue even the old 3080 offers far better value if you dont want to play at 4k all the time.
@@engjds lol in 2 years 4080 will be given away. yet 3080ti and 3090's still selling for $700-$800
@@tav8223 3090 prices will drop like a stone when 5090 comes out early 2025.
4o8oS vs 4o9o
4K
+% 4o9o
Alan Wake II + 37
Forza 5 + 26
Cyberpunk + 26,2
RDR II + 25,5
Starfield + 28,8
Pandora + 31,2
Flight Sim + 31,6
Witcher III + 22
Remnant II + 26
Last of Us + 32,4
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~ 28,7%
You forgot the most important part:
~100% price.
@joseph_maher 4080s if msrp is the best high end gpu for price to performance. But if only in msrp.
@joseph_maher50% more vram 👀
@@brahmantyoihsan5938exactly, much more expensive for much smaller difference. The reason: 4080 Ti S
@@adlibconstitution1609i copped one for MSRP 999USD Gigabyte Windforce V2 on newegg possibly the best purchse for me ever
Looks like Nvidia wants to release another 4080 ti because the difference with the 4090 is simply huge
i hope so!
Well you would expect a big difference for an almost 1000$ gap between the two cards (I know the 4090 has a 1600$ MSRP, but good luck finding one at that price). Whereas the 4080 S is "only" 200$ more expensive than the 4070 TI S.
@horvathr95 u dumb? I found 4090 all the time for 1500usd
Oh come on. You don't have to say the truth
I mean the 4090 is $1600-2000 I would expect the difference to be 20-40 fps more than 4080
Since the 4080 S is $1000, the 4090 really should be $1200
In my country 4080s price at 1800$ while the 4090 is 2000$. There you go 200$ difference
Your 4080S is just overpriced. It should be $999 only. and 4090 is $1799 now in USA and in stock. Price is go back to normal.@@rayraydente1712
$1500 is fair.
Woah woah woah, that's not how you fund a jacket collection.
That doesn't make any sense.
Good performance for the 4090, but huge power draw also 👀. On some games 400w+. I hope next generation a 5070 like same 4090 performance and less power consumption.
Yeah on avatar my PC uses around 700w total
I doubt the 5070 will be any faster than the 4080 Super.
@@lobiankk77 will be. 5070 ti will be same or better than 4090. this isn't rocket science newbie. 4070 ti beats 3090 as well, and 3090 was just as pricey and good when it was released as 4090 now.
@@Dex4Sure We were taking about the 5070, not the 5070 Ti, "newbie". Yes, the 4070 Ti is faster than the 3090, but the 4070 is barely as fast as 3080, so I predict the 5070 will be 4080/4080S levels of performance.
@@lobiankk77 if 5070 ti is same or faster than 4090, obviously 5070 will be faster than 4080 or 4080 super, newbie... can see you're newbie to this.
With 10-30FPS less on the 4080S, and average 80 watt more power usage on 4090, the 4080S wins hands down!!
4090 is baseline performance imo for real 'next gen' - even if it takes until the 6000 series for it to be the norm under $600
When i bought the 4090 in may '23 it was 1200 to 1600 to the 4080. Damn 1000 to 2000 now is crazy. 😄
4090 still the best :D
That's why im probably gonna save up for AMD .if the 4090 was still 1600 I probably could make that happen but even then that's pushing it but maybe I will but dang has Nvidia got even greedier while 7900xtx is mostly the same price
@@DebraTripp-y6t in that case I would buy a 4080 super. Better efficiency, mostly faster, dlss, less driver problems (xtx owner)
@@daidalos15084080s is the best high end gpu if it stayed at msrp
@@masterpainter78 not for long
remember when the 1080Ti was super expensive? the release price at the time was $700.. now compare that to the current gpu prices
RTX cards are exponentially more advanced than a 1080 Ti. Computer graphics tech has passed you by.
Don't forget the inflation....
@Brent_P 1080 ti was so overpowered for its time, it was like the rtx 4090 today, sure rtx are more powerful today and technologically advanced but the prices shouldnt sky rocket like they do
@abdelghnilakhdar6495 I bought two GTX 1080s in mid-2017 (to my later regret) because the 1080 Ti wasn't powerful enough for me. Pascal & SLI became irrelevant by 2019. Not even close to a 4090.
I’m very happy with my 12 GB 4070 ti (Gigabyte, the Gaming version), I play on 2K quality with ultra settings, and the temperature of the GPU never gone above 70 c. Just in case if want to upgrade my gpu in the future? maybe then I will consider 5080, 5080 S or 5080 ti S.
4090!
@user-bc8cx8yb9j Overrated my friend, too much for just games not productivity, and I only only need the gpu for games. Thanks
Damn the 4090 can't even hit 4k 120fps in all titles? It's crazy that the LG C1 can be had for pretty cheap these days but the top of line GPU can't even make full use of it. It also seems like some games are forcing a 60fps framerate. But yeah 4k@120 ultra when?
Rtx 4090 for gaming is only a show-off. Doubled price of 4080S, like 20-40% fps increase but also 40% more power usage. Its really not worth it.
4090 is the king of undevolt though. Mine runs at 320W with no loss in performance.
It’s not double the price it’s like 40% more expensive. For like 30% more performance. Which is good. There’s a law of diminishing returns. Double the performance costs more than double the price to make. The more performance the more each percent increase costs to manufacture.
Yeah in terms of MSRP, you cant find the 4090 at MSRP@Ren-lx8wv
@@Ren-lx8wva 4080 super is about 1000 right now while a 4090 is 2000
@@NationalPjVillainwake me up when the 4090 is €1000
Double the price for only 15-20 more fps in some games lol
Thank you for including Microsoft Flight Simulator!
Both gpu is dissapointing for price performance. Price should ve 1100 maximum for the 4090 and 700 for 4080ti , $650 for the 4080s 😂
You're living in the early 2000s. Doesn't work that way.
@@drunkhusband6257 crypto currency is dead, they can drop the cost unless they can't produce more GPU. ...AMD seem to be able to make good product for everyone, maybe because they are on PS5 & XSX hardware.
@@drunkhusband6257 Look at what the 1080 Ti launched for
just say you cant afford any of them much easier
@@JoeMama-yl1ow you sound mad broke. Ill wait to see rtx 5000serie or rx 8000. Even ps5 pro sound better with exclusive. Look like YOU cant afford a good pc lol imagine you you dont have any pc and wannbe sound rich. then you can only afford to bootleg
I love your videos, but the Alan wake I think is incorrect. Your display is 4k but the render is in 1440p?
To me the 4080S makes more sense at $999 vs $1599 (if you can even find it at that price but mostly $1799 now). Why? Because the 4090 in most modern demanding titles can't even do 120fps on average but does get closer to the 100fps vs the 4080S. The 4080S can do 60fps in 4K. Pay almost 60% less now and enjoy 4K 60fps until 5000 or 6000 series cards come out for less than $1k for 4K@120FPS is my next target.
20 FPS = 1000$ NICE
1000$ for more 20fps is crazy
Actually its msrp is 1600
$1799 now
@@KelvinKMS 2k here bro too much went with the 4080
same here i713700F +rtx 4080 @@acollecta7169
@@3aloosh616I actually got it for that price.
Guys 4090 GPU is most for 3D Work and rendering... for gaming its a stupid idea buy the card which is 1600$+ if you dont need 4090 for job , so dont buy it and spend money in a better way
The only way I think you'd notice the difference between the cards is if they were displayed side by side exactly like this, with FPS scores showing. The 4080S is the much better deal imo, especially since the 5000s are coming down the pipe real soon.
How soon? Thinking of buying a 4090 soon, but do you think the price of it will be lower when the 50 series comes out?
Awesome work dude! However, I think you should _definitely_ add Arma Reforger to your testing roll. It may not be as well known, or popular title as others you usually use for testing but its lighting simulation and insane distant rendering will easily put any CPU/GPU combo through its paces.
Thought nvidia was gonna make me regret buying my 4090 last October, but damn am I happy, shit destroys the super
4090 is significantly more powerful than any gpu, its just that at release the driver kind of underperforming
that cyberpunk though boy look great
5080 will not beat 4090, as 4080 beats 3090 & 3090ti...
I bought a 4090 at the start of sales… never ever regret.
I mean since you had the funds you won't regret it, its not like you sold your car for this GPU, you just had the money.
the electricity bill: 💀
Cheap
It's EXACTLY the same
Double the price for just about 25% more performance
Absolutely worth it Nvidia
isnt this normal for high end cards???? higher end should never be more value than lower end cards, unless ur talking about the 4060 or 4060 ti this gen which is the exception
@@turtleboi9385generally it’s a bell curve of value yes. Usually the 60 class has the best fps/$ anything above or below usually has worse value and gets worse the farther you stray from the 60 card.
However Nvidia has definitely tried to lessen the value gap by raising prices of lower class cards to push people up the ladder. 4090 at $1600 vs a 4080 at $1200 actually was pretty similar value. 33% price jump for 25-40% better performance.
RTX 4090 is still the "King" even though it has been on sale for more than a year ~ WOW ~~ 😳
Looking forward to seeing the next 5090 xd
For everyone the 4090 seems to be the best buy! how can you justify a 1000$ price difference???? cmon!
The high-ends gpu's like the 4090 is for the same people every year and Nvidia likes to make money giving 25% more performance.
4080 super @ 1440p 2k resolution is the sweetspot right now with all the games at ultra dlss high refresh rates over 165hz etc sweetspot right there on oled or fast ips or wait for the 5090
Agree. This setup on my HDR1k 165hz 1440p monitor shines.
@@dg7438 ya still running my 1070ti ftw2 wanted to buy a 4090 or 4080 super but after the rumors that the 50 series come out in a few months ill just wait and upgrade mobo cpu gpu ram with the new am5 cpu from amd comings out too this winter no need to buy this generation at the end of the generation ill still build a 1440p gaming setup much much better than 4k for ultra gsync hdr high fps high refresh rates etc just not sure between ultrawide or 3 27'inch monitors... tried my first ultrawide this week didn't like it 1 bit curved etc
@@cloudstrife7083 sounds nice, good luck in your decision. Personally I don't like ultrawides but I would get two or three smaller monitors next to each other
@@dg7438 what do you mean you don't like my ways ? my english isn't perfect so excuse that speak french from quebec
@@cloudstrife7083 Sorry..typo! haha. Auto correct. meant to say Ultrawides* (I don't like)
I wouldn't pay those prices for neither
Would like a new GPU for Microsoft Flight Simulator in VR. Although 4k is good on both my VR headset (G2) is native at 33% more pixels than 4K which I don’t think is enough on either of these without making adjustments. Have to wait until RTX 5000 for better value.
A 4090 would have been nice but i only had enough $ to get a 4080 super. I game in 4k so as long as I'm getting 4k 60fps im good!
you got money for 4080s i think you should wait and save some money for 50s just in case, and im pretty sure you can still buy the 40s if 5090 or 80 is overpriced or lame.
3080 ti would do me fine for 5+ years
without frame gen doubt
@@prenti1205 I mean let's be real the only reason you would ever want or need FG is to hit improbable framerates in unreasonable scenarios.
Like beyond 60 at 4K, beyond 60 with RT etc aka basically playing beyond your capabilities. Otherwise, if your playing within your boundaries, you really don't need it.
Think about it, if you can't hit 4K 60 with RT on or off, it's not that you need or you could use FG, really you just need a stronger card, power, you don't need FG.
sure you can play at least 1080p level gaming with 3080 ti for more 5 to 7 years..
@@nafian_nI use a 3070 to play at 4k lol
@@SupremacyGamesYTLol, FG is an amazing tech, it reduces CPU bottleneck so in theory you can even save more money on CPU, but CPU are so good value rn it doesn't matter.
There is a AFMF mod that works on RTX cards only, never tried FG but this mod is pretty decent. If reviewers say it's still a step behind FG, Im sure no one would complain about that tech
I thought there was an actual huge performance increase for an extra 1000$ but i have been fooled the entire time i thought the 4090 was atleast like 50% faster 💀
4090 is shit gpu too expensive and too much power hungry.
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+25 fps for $1000... is joke.
I hope to run Alan Wake 2 with RTX 5080 at 240 watts, 90 FPS
4090 higher perf. %25-30 and more expensive %100.... no, thank you!
So which RTX 4080 supper or 4090 would you recommend? I know you more than likely say it depends on how much your willing to spend! But if you can give me the top one from both the 4080 supper and 4090 that would be great.
4080 is half the price but almost over 60fps in majority of these comparisons. I don't have a lot of experience with 4k gaming but does it matter, if you're at 60fps already, that the other card is at 75fps? Is that extra 15fps really going to be that noticeable?
Why does your 13900K consume so little? do you have it capped?
Gpu bound
RTX 4080 SUPER vs RX 7900XTX
So about $50 per frame more than the 4080 (S). Horrible value.
So technically 1440p would be higher on each of these games right?
How you are getting these low temperatures on the 13900k with an aio? Thanks for the content!
CPU Cooler - Arctic Liquid Freezer II 420
try installing a contact frame by thermalright
@@TestingGames im using the same arctic liquid freezer II but 360 version. Still getting above 70c. Any idea whats the problem with that sir? my CPU is 10900K
There’s numerous factors that can affect your cpu temperature besides just your aio like the type of case you have, how many fans you have and what speed they are running at, also the ambient temperature in the room your pc is in makes a difference too.
@@SirAttila for temperatures like that I was thinking that was a custom water cooler
From the rtx 4000 series nothing wil ever come close or beat the 4090 only ther nex gen of gpus. That 4090 is a monster of a card. And me crying with my rtx 2060 6gb.😢
I order one today but the founder edition but it hearts my bank account I wish I bought it early since the price is 4 times the amount of each version original price
Don’t worry you get one I was going to get one on eBay use for 1600 but buy it Amazon well eBay is a good choose 😅 since they usually go for total 1900 I wanted it to get hear fast.
4080 Super looks more worth 😂
Now only 4090 super is left which i think will be a 2 lakh 7 thousand rupees gpu and then 4090ti which will be 2 lakh 50 thousand rupees gpu. (As an indian i wrote in rupees)
No need for anything above 4090, AMD is just on pair with the 4080.
4080Ti with 20GB VRAM
how?@@Sims64340
4080 holds up well!
Watching this to see what I missed out on buying a full rig for $2500 with a 4080 Super
you dont
@@iikatinggangsengii2471 yeah I think I'm just fine, more than pleased with the performance.
We would like American prices, and the difference in prices between video cards too) 4080 is the cheapest 1200+ euros, 4090 from 2500 euros
If 4080 s realised alongside 4090 i would have bought that instead of 4090 the value is so much better
But then nobody would've touched the 4090
KEK
Define "value"
@@Matias-wu6xp it cost 60% more for msrp if u can get one at msrp for like 20-25% more peformance
@@indiexannapeople still would’ve bought it the same. It’s always the same people buying the highest end cards.
5070ti/5080 will be the sweetspot for stable 4k 60fps gaming if you want your pc to last at least 5 years… gaming future with AI is gonna be crazy
5 years? I don't know...I really think that you're going to be able to play every game in terms of graphics. But then they are going to release games with LLM models and in order to play them well you're gonna need more VRAM if you don't want to wait 2 mins for the npc to answer xD. Business will never stop.
Hello good day, I want to put a 4080 on my 7800g, I would like to know if it is a good combination and I won't have a bottleneck in 2k and 4k, what do you think, is it a good option?
I think you won't get the full experience with that , the best option would be to buy the 7800x3d to get the full performance out of the 4080
Maybe I am just old or stupid. But I visually see no difference, apart from the displayed stats.
Some people in the comments forgets saying that the 5070ti will beat the 4090 I highly doubt it but the 4080 even if it matches the 4090 wouldn't be able to be sold to China, so it'll probably be as good as the Chinese versions of the 4090.
Still cant believe how broken 4090 is in performance, cant even imagine what 5090 is going to be
nah, just wait for new games. when 4080S will start to drop frames below acceptable levels 4090 would be still efficient. thats why u buy more expensive cards. but ofc, 4080 is completely fine too
4080 makes no sense because if you willing to spend 1000$ on a GPU that means you can also spend 2000.
How much fps drop if the ram was a corsair dominator platinum 5200 MHz CL40?
2-10 fps
Looks like we going to see RTX4080ti and RTX4080ti Super soon, bc the diff between these 2 cards are huge... i mean if RTX4090 ti or super releases the performance diff will be TOO much, Bc of that i think they might sattled the price diff as well as the performance when ALL of 4000 series card have been released
Bro how do you define huge differences by mere 10-15 FPS difference MAX.
NVIDIA Will release 4090TI Only or 4090 SUPER They would never release 4080 TI or a 4080TI Super. Hypothetically if they do then they would scam those who bought the 4090 because the 4080Ti and Super u say will closely outperform it like how do u guys think they will release it.
Everyone looks at the big gap in performance, and they’re like, “Wow, it’s very big, the 4080s doesn’t reach it at all" but why don’t they all look at the fact that the damn 4090 costs TWO THOUSAND BUCKS!, and the 4080s costs a THOUSAND, the difference between them like TWO 4080s, or ONE 4090, or one thousand buy 4080s and for another thousand all the necessary components, or just 4090, just think, now this comparison is more suitable, right!?
OTT (IMO) these cards should be £600-£800
Alan Wake looks like a Resident Evil knockoff.
It somewhat is
Got my 2nd rog strix 4090, once you go 24gb anything less is a waste of time for my VR dcs world, MSFS2020 playing.
I hope you never win the lottery because you'll be broke the next day.
@TestingGames qué aplicación usas para visualizar los datos de temperatura, velocidad de cpu y gpu etc.?
msi afterburner
4090 👀4080
I kinda miss your 1440p testing, but I guess it'll just be a lot better FPS off 1440P so you can count on more lol.
You basically pay for the bragging rights
“Save some women for the rest of us… Yeesh!”
You pay for the performance. Only poor people think having a 4090 is worth bragging about.
How the hell do you get 99% utilization on msfs? I barely get 50% on 4090.
You’re probably being bottlenecked by your cpu then
Trash CPU
where can you buy 4080 super for 1000 usd?
Best Buy. I got my founders edition for 1000 there. Only reason I returned my 1080 Ti Super.
Amazon has a few under 1000
I'll just sit by and wait for the 6090😏
Wait more3-5 years
they could have at least gave the 4080 super 4 more gigs of vram=20 gigs of vram so the 4080 super would have more value for money
Raise a glass to all who bought a 4090 before the scalpers raised the price to ridiculous! Damn, the sip is delicious! lol
I have Both cards 4080 Vanilla and the 4090 I take pleasure in the fact i bought early got a 4080 for $1100 while everyone else is bitching about prices being too high ,Tell you guys something don't wait for things to change because you're just going to be disappointed in the end facts.
Shout out to the people who bought a 4080 super for it to be the same as a regular 4080 at the same price or higher congratulations Nvidia dupped you again!
This would've been viable if it was built on AD102 and had the same amount of cores as RTX 4090 D, or even just like 15% less of the 4090 D would've been sick. Sadly, Nvidia won't ever do that, and the gap between 80 class and 90 class GPUs will remain the same.
All gaming laptop creators have to do is up the power watts to pc power. More power = more FPS. They intentional cap laptop power so customer don’t pay less for better. If people knew how to reshoot a wire from the power battery to a the laptop they can make any laptop more powerful. 😂 Thank god for education and books.
Here me out. Two rtx4080S in one system. Double the performance 😎
(I know its not that simple)
What is the point to show random walking without action scenes where it is possible? 70 fps of 4090 can easily become 40 in action scene.
4090 is unbeatable
Usually when 80 series Super or TI card release,they close to flagship on performance.. guess not this time...just price is lower than original 4080....4090 still have massive lead..good for nvidia people will buy that card for ultimate performance.
Its amazing that nvidias 4090 cost 2x of the 4080 but it does not have 2x the performance. I dont mind paying 2x over something else, but i want it to be 2x as fast, not 1.2x.. now you push 2x the fps and we can talk. now if you want to push 1.2x fps then i do not mind paying 1.2x the money.. being logical is easy.
Nice refresh, nice prices :))) happy with my 4060
😂
Maybe you guys have better eyes than me, but I can’t tell the difference.
@deadchannel7895 Right. Thanks for pointing out how smart you are. So then since you're so smart, what's the purpose of posting a comparison on YT if they are going to look the same anyway?
Just bought my MSI RTX 4080 SUPER, tested in Hogwarts and AFOP and I don't know what even to think about temperature. In AFOP on ultra I think it hit a little over 60 °C. I touched it and it was so hot! I kinda freacked out.. Is it okay or something wrong with my graphic card?
Don't worry normally the temperature would be 55-65° while heavy gaming
Seems high. My new 4080 S Founders edition w/ 7800x3d, Corsair aio liquid cooler is in the 40's C
60°C isn't hot (it's normal for your gpu) buddy, I remember when some gpu used to hit 100+ °C back in time lmao
@@vandanakhambadkar8536 Well, when I tried to play AFOP on 4k or 2k ultra quality , temperatures hot 72 🥲.. 72! I'm kinda worrying about my M.2 that is right above GPU where all heat comes up.
@@dg7438 Can I ask you smth. Have you played with your 4080 S AFOP or Hogwarts?
The thing is I've seen videos on YT where ppl played AFOP on 4k on their 4080 and action moves (mouse turns) were smooth.. For me on 4k it's very jerky.. like it's 20 fps, although 4k, DLSS, upscaling Biased, Ultra quality hits 40-60 fps, depends.
But it's really unplayable when I have to like turn camera fast. Idk if it's my GPU or what.
The only smoother Way is to turn "biased-performamce(or ultra performance), but then again quality is not so good, and a lot of smearing and a lot of shadow noises.
Plus my biggest concern is when I watch any movie/video file either it's local file or UA-cam/Netflix - any camera movement or character movement is like it's 20 fps.... Disappointing.. can't even ignore it, it's so visible... No smooth video..No matter if it's FHD or 4k. Same. When with my old AMD GPU videos were perfect, I've never even noticed anything like that before anywhere.
Anyone has an idea?
The witcher defeats this GPU‘s wtf😂😂😂
Cuz of Ray tracing in the settings
Why is a 4080 $1000? Jesus, imagine the price of everything below it. I'm glad I don't need a GPU right now. Hopefully 50 will return to sanity, or the economy will if it's that's fault.
Yea I wait for the 5000 series, not that much of an upgrade from a 3080.
i wish sli was a thing some times x2 4080 against one 4090
4090 not worth it
is 4080 S new 1080 ti?
CPU Power is below 100W always, HOW?? Death Stranding, my i7 14700 jump up to 200W 😨
Here strix its between 1450-1700€ ...i took gigabyte for less , the cheapest one was 1200€
The extra $800 that you spend for 25-30% more performance is pathetic you also save even more with the 4080 super as you aren't obligated towards buying the best CPU possible. I'd rather upgrade the 4080 super to the 5080 and do that every generation rather than getting the best if it means spending double for just a small performance increase.
In my country the 4080 S costs around 1320$ and the 4090 1900$ which should i buy?
4090 is $2400 to $3000 in my country, so i just bought a 4080S for $1400.
@@vegardpig8634 same for my country
@@vegardpig8634 i got the 4090 for 1600euro, very lucky!
Next video show afmf on low tier gpu like 6500xt
Can you do it but in 1440p?
Is Alan Wake 2 this heavy or just can't optimize it?
Alan wake 2 uses mesh
@AzZulski could explain it to me, please? I have no idea what is this mesh 😂
Alan Wake 2 uses mesh shading to render lighting and its display on the models. I am not a computer science major, I am an engineering major, but this is what I've picked up on so far.
The 3D models in games are just a bunch of triangles put together. Those triangles have edges called vertexes, so you'd use vertex shading to calculate the appearance of each one. There are other methods used in tandem such as compute and geometry shading, but the primary focus is with vertex shading. For most titles, this is a good foundation since the appearance is largely static and doesn't really need to change (Render distance and other elements are largely separate from this). However, if you have a game that does a lot of scaling up and down the detail, say, zooming in on a face for a live cutscene, or you're constantly changing what's in frame and what isn't, you drastically jack up the vertex count and need a method that is far more dynamic to match the needs instead of just computing all the vertices and then throwing it all away because it's not used.
This is where mesh shading comes in. It helps break up the computational requirements into parallel chunks for the GPU to process, making it far more efficient. But, of course, you need a GPU that can handle this parallel processing (Which is why the GTX 10-series runs like dog water for Alan Wake II). NVidia's video demonstrating the technology (ua-cam.com/video/CRfZYJ_sk5E/v-deo.htmlsi=MZaf7hYISKj0posO) does a decent job of visualizing on a basic level where this technology would be useful, such as a constantly changing environment where as objects get closer, its important to render more detail