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This is why while it can be frustrating, I’m always understanding when my flight is delayed or cancelled because of weather. I don’t want my pilots falling prey to get-there-itis. If it’s not safe to fly, it’s not safe to fly, end of. My mom was a GA single prop pilot and was always super cautious around bad weather systems, often landing and getting a hotel for the night if conditions were marginal regardless of our intended schedules. I will always be happy to fly with pilots who respect their plane’s limitations and know their own as well.
Same - and that’s without any aviators in the family! I never understand those people bitching and moaning in the gate area when they say we’re delayed, still delayed, delayed more, etc. Like wtf are they thinking? They’re mad because the guy driving the giant, airborne hunk of metal with seats and beer to get your ass to Vegas wants to err on the side of caution? Obviously it’s frustrating if you’re missing a cruise or 2 days of a 4 day getaway because of delays, but that’s just the breaks. Mother Nature is a formidable opponent. Also, agreed on the delays based on random nonsense that has nothing to do with safety. Although, seems like any micro decision the wrong way could have an effect on an aircraft in flight from these videos! So, by all means, take your time boarding that coffee! I also make a point of thanking the pilots and crew if they’re around when deplaning. 🤗. It’s the least I can do.
@@roamingirl Yup I couldn't agree with you more. I'd rather stay safe on the ground, if that's the way it has to be. It's easier to stay out of trouble than it is to get out of trouble.
I’ve always been just fine with delays, and not because my uncle and aunt were captain and flight attendant. We began frequent air travel when I was 6 and that was when the first Airport movies came out. Even as a child, I was acutely aware that things could go wrong in the air, and it is better to be safe, and late, than sorry and never arrive at all.
I've flown ultra-lights to fighters to 4 engine heavies. I have thousands of hours. As you gain experience it gets easier to do it right but it never gets harder to screw it up.
Research shows that it takes the same amount of mastery of a skill to know if someone has mastered a skill. Basically, knowing if you're good at something "costs" twice as much skill as actually doing the thing. Humans amaze me.
@@GreenDotAviationhey man, I really like your channel. I watch a lot of mayday too tho and after doing a bunch of comparing and contrasting, I feel like you don’t always get the tension of the event properly. For example, in this video it didn’t seem like there was a whole bunch of stress and frustration during the final leg and just before landing but there was quite a bit
There should be a clear emphasis on safety over customer service within the work environment of airline companies. I.e. pilots should feel secure in the knowledge that even if a flight is running many hours late, nothing bad will come back to them for deciding to delay things further (I.e. go around, or travel to different airport) in the interest of safety. Better to lose 200 customers to another airline than to have those customers (and the crew) possibly lose their lives
You're right Elliot but the customers are the one shittin their drawers over late or canceled flights so the airlines kinda in a no win situation.if they don't fly they lose money and git to hear the customers suck too.
It isn’t that. It’s that they buy aircraft the same way we buy houses. They have loans to pay. For them to remain able to pay for the craft, it has to convey a certain number of paying customers daily. Cut a flight a day then you make every airline insolvent and out of business. The margins aren’t as huge as everyone seems to think. They are struggling to pay for their crap just like most of the rest of us, so it’s like just deciding to quit working for most people would be. You can do it, but then you can’t afford to support yourself so many of us don’t. It’s not that they just don’t care from greed, any more than you just don’t care if the fuel you burn commuting negatively creates smog and pollution. People are doing what they gotta do in the face of thousands of competing pressures every day. You can’t just randomly pick one pressure to prioritize and then ignore the rest, or you create thousands of disasters for all the other pressures you chose to just ignore. It requires balance. Amazing that the world works as smooth as it does when you think of all the pressures we all balance every day.
@jerrymarbury9365 @animula6998 they lose a hell of a lot more money with the deaths of hundreds of people and the entire write-off of an aircraft than they would by missing a flight. Sure it must be hard to make that call due to the factors you mention, but ultimately the right decision for the business is to not have to settle for hundreds of millions of dollars between lawsuits and replacing the accident aircraft.
I've been a flight attendant for American airlines for 31 years just retiring March 1st 2023, passengers used to get upset at me because we have a delay of because of weather and because I'm outspoken straight talker I used to tell him in a quiet calm demeanor look it's better to be safe than sorry for 31 years I've never had an incident knock on wood but American is a great airline!
I am close to my checkride and man watching aviation crash videos has made me such a better pilot. It's crazy how the mistake are still the same that a student pilot would make.
I still remember one of my first simulator IFR flights from LOWS (Salzburg) to LOWK (Klagenfurt) with a Piper Seneca, an airport surrounded by high mountains. My flight instructor added fog, so I couldn't see anything. Altough I had previous IFR experience, I made dozens of errors and increased my workload. Instead of going around, I continued the flight. At some point my instructor removed the fog and I was short before crashing into a mountain. My point is, if you have a bad feeling, go around and do it again. Unfortunately I was too busy fixing my errors instead of going the save way. Unfortunately this happens to professional pilots too.
"Short before"tells me that you are German haha. Kurz davor funktioniert nicht in Englisch. Davon abgesehen ist das ein sehr guter Punkt. Manchmal macht man Fehler und es ist menschlicher Reflex sofort zu verbessern. Leider geht das nicht im Cockpit.
I’m a pilot myself and have piloted the Bangladesh cricket team on many occasions but the bad weather always scares me even with all my years of experience.
This is the last thing you want to hear from your pilot Imagine you're a passenger, in a flight in bad weather, and you know the captain is scared stiff
I can not fly a Kite let alone an Aircraft but it appears to me Companies push the flight deck & cabin crew to the limits for the sake of the "bottom line" . Poor weather & pilot fatigue are a recipe for disaster which has happened here. R I P for those who perished,
There was a television program called *"Mayday" aka "Air Crash Investigation"* and this accident (American 1420) appeared in the first season. It was a great series and I do recommend watching it.
It's always easier to blame the pilots for a crash. But, in this case it was pilot error. We could blame it on the airlines or the FAA for allowing flight crews to be on duty for 14 hours. But again, pilots are under extreme pressure to get passengers to their destination on time.
Pilots should not be overworked, in fact they should be only allowed to do 8 hours. There is no pressure to reach destination on time, reaching there alive is better than reaching on time. This is very bad judgment on part of the pilots to decide to land. And the other statistics was stunning too, when there is 25 nots left pilots choose to continue the stormy path rather than diverting. This is very poor risk appetite!! Pilots have a crucial role as much as the surgeon's
Pilots should never be put under pressure, this only increases the chance of error. The airline managers who make this pressure on pilots are responsible for the deaths of the passengers. No doubt they will never be put on trial for this. More likely they will receive their usual yearly management bonus.
Your work is outstanding: first rate graphics, concise story telling, thoroughly informed and totally engaging. Keep it up. I can't watch anyone else's work now! As concerns this accident, I read an analysis some years ago that discussed the mission centric approach that ex-military pilots bring to commercial aviation (The mission MUST be competed) and how it might have influenced this crash and how, as well, this inclination must sometimes be tempered to ensure smooth outcomes for passenger transport. Of course, "get-there-itis" is every bit as dangerous in its particular way.
Thank you for the kind words! And that’s very interesting, in that case I wonder could a US versus EU comparison of these types of accidents be done. The US has many more pilots with a military background, so we should expect to see more of these incidents in the US.
My cousin was a Little Rock firefighter and paramedic responding to this crash. The gruesome experience left him with PTSD which ultimately ended his career.
I flew around this accident: Departed Little Rock the day before, and returned two days after. It was definitely spooky watching the news reports while out of town!
Anyone who has sailboat experience would be horror bound by those wind speeds, and having two sails (wings) that are fixed! Love Green Dot Aviation. Peace be unto you.
I was on this flight in 10A and can tell you I got to both pilots. Realizing that nothing could be done for the captain, I visually saw the speed brake and it was not engaged. I recognized this from my previous experience on C-141s as a crew chief.
I've watched several of your videos and really enjoy them. I love the chain of events that you follow showing that aviation incidents are never just a single point of failure. I appreciate the effort you put into these videos.
A meteorologist for a local TV station, whom my parents knew (a really nice guy), recounted a tale of his deciding not to board a flight after looking at the weather. The flight crashed.
I think a key factor of "get-there-itis" that you didn't mention is ego. My great aunt was a flight attendant back in the day and I've met a few pilots, and hearing some of them talk about the air misadventures they'd been through, you would think these guys believed they were the best pilots ever and that no storm could stop them. Guys like that wouldn't hesitate to fly into dangerous situations without any thought to the lives in their hands if they thought it could save some time, and some of them probably even get off on the thrill of it. It makes me very glad I don't fly often.
I just recently discovered this channel and after watching an episode I suspected that I had found something worthwhile. Having watched many videos from this channel I now realize this is an understatement. In recreating these incidents context is everything. Although I thought I was intimately familiar with these I now realize that there was much left to learn. Look folks, no matter how much you think you know about these crashes you will learn something from watching these videos. This channel is extraordinary enough to make enormous headway in this area and will do so as word gets around. It’s simply too good to be ignored by anyone with an interest in aviation videos.
Agreed on more to learn… Don’t know flight numbers, etc. by heart, but I’ll usually know which crash it is once the story starts. Nevertheless, I keep watching, despite knowing the outcome and even the investigation results. There’s no difference in appreciation between videos about incidents I already know about and those I don’t.
Company culture is a huge, huge aspect of aviation safety. Pilots have got to feel completely supported in their decision to divert or delay. In fact, they should feel positive pressure to do so in marginal situations.
Another excellent video, I have only recently discovered your channel, and now look forward to your next video. We can all learn from this video the dangers of what some people call get-home-itis. Hands up everyone who has driven a long distance when knowingly being excessively tired? I come from the UK, where studies have shown 1/3 of Motorway fatalities have driver fatigue as a contributing factor. So, even if causing a hassle I never drive when tired.
With having time off work I’ve watched a lot of UA-cam and just came across your channel . Really really impressed and so so interesting as I’m a massive aviation fan , all subscribed cheers
I only just discovered your channel despite having watched just about every accident investigation video i could find; UA-cam finally saw fit to recommend this fantastic channel. I’ll be binging your other videos now!
This was the first ever episode of Aircrash Investigation or Seconds from Disaster or one of those well known Air crash programmes. I always remember the line " its like a dog leg " and " california cool. Peachy ", from the actors playing the pilot and first officer.
Interesting reading...."In the only liability trial arising out of the crash of Flight 1420, a federal jury in Little Rock awarded Captain Buschmann's family $2 million in wrongful-death damages following a lawsuit they had filed against Little Rock National Airport. The jury decided Buschmann's death occurred because the aircraft collided with illegal non-frangible approach-light supports erected in what should have been the runway safety area. The airport was found to have failed to comply with airport safety standards. Buschmann's estate presented evidence that the spoilers were deployed and had malfunctioned (not through the captain's fault), and that the aircraft did not encounter turbulence. The jury rejected the airport's argument that Buschmann was at fault in causing his own death. The jury verdict has been claimed to completely absolve Buschmann of all fault for the crash, but the NTSB has not changed its probable-cause ruling, and American Airlines admitted liability for the crash and "paid many millions of dollars in damages to the passengers and their families." About 10 years after the crash, David Rapoport, a lawyer who was a member of the court-appointed Plaintiffs' Steering Committee, stated, "after all these years [whether Captain Buschmann was "absolved" of all responsibility for the crash] is still a matter reasonable people who are fully informed may disagree on", however, there should be consensus "flight operations should not be conducted in the terminal area when thunderstorms are on the flight path, and non-frangible objects should not be placed where it is foreseeable an aircraft may go."
Passenger Air Travel is a Sick & Twisted & Absurd Concept...Huge Piece of Metal Flying 35,000 FT in The Sky Filled With 100s of Passengers Trapped inside and Slamming into Mountains/Oceans/Ground/Buildings as Their Bodies "Disintegrate" upon impact....Surreal Insanity
A colleague and I were flying out of Houston to LA once, in the middle of a thunderstorm. It was the only time I've seen what looked like the wings of the aircraft flapping, we were bouncing up and down so hard. My colleague was in tears, so I had to try and keep it together for both our sakes - but it was scary stuff.
@@ballaservices9275 I flew into phoenix Airport and the lady who was sitting in my row started to get a bit hysterical because the plane was caught in strong cross winds. The stewardesses tried to calm her I said to her think of it as a roller coaster. She said we could crash I said so can a roller coaster. The stewardesses brought her some water to drink, I suggested she ask for a brandy to my surprise she did. The water and brandy seemed to ease her fear a little. To me it was similar to sitting on a bucking horse.
No point in worrying your wife untill you have a strategy and know what the company will be doing. Better to make a phone call when on the ground when she know you are safe and sound. Unless you get killed in a car accident on the way to the hotel.
I'm surprised there wouldn't be some sort of prominent automatic warning from the aircraft, that the spoilers aren't armed/deployed when the aircraft is detected to be in a landing configuration, and/or at touchdown
These were comparatively primitive aircraft. Yes there was some of that. But a modern Airbus tells the pilots when they should blink. Far different world back then. Much more pilot dependant.
Well-made and very informative. You probably heard of the major crash of a military helicopter here in India this past week, killing the Chief of the Defense Staff and 12 others. That may very well turn out to also be a combination of poor weather and “get-there-itis”.
Not uncommon... NOV 2004, a US Army one-star & six others were on a UH-60 flying during marginal weather when it hit a wire attached to a tower. No one survived that one either. I do remember the accident the vid is about because I was based in the DFW area when this happened.
#992👍 For such quality history this crew never should have attempted this suicidal stunt. The failure to arm the spoilers doomed them but the conditions were unacceptable and they just ignored the reality. Totally unprofessional and criminal. I can't imagine being so feckless!!!
"Get-there-itis", pilot fatigue, and high workload caused by the decision to fly through thunderstorms cannot all be put on the pilots. The pressure begins with the airline industry and the need to stay on schedule to control costs. Corporate executives can hide behind language in their manuals and training materials that talk about passenger safety being the priority, but it is clear from watching many accounts of airline accidents that the pressure on the pilots is enormous and at times fatal.
The danger in blaming only one person for a disaster is the assumption that if you get rid of that one person the problem will never be repeated. This is why after each accident the NTSB issues multiple recommendations, none of which are simply 'let's just fire this one guy.' This is not to say that the person making mistakes should not be held accountable but it is to say the system needs to be changed so people are less likely to make mistakes.
That was a bad year for Little Rock airport. On July 28th, 58 days after this accident, the Continental Express station manager at LIT accidentally walked into the spinning prop of an ATR-42 at the gate. Its been argued that the station manager & AA 1420 were the only US commercial aviation fatalities that year, even though the EgyptAir 990 crash on Halloween departed from JFK before crashing in international waters.
I think thatthe station manager was one of the people who went down to help the passengers after the plane went down the embankment. I would assume he didn't survive walking into the prop?
Very sad. Also in their minds would have been the added inconvenience a further delay would cause. If only they had remembered to arm the spoilers they probably would have landed safely but as you say fatigue played a role also.
Toxic corporate practices are as responsible for this tragedy as were the pilots. There is no task that is so urgent that it cannot be done safely and that includes every decision and action made right up until the engines are turned off and everyone has disembarked. It is better to be late than dead.
I started watching your videos recently and became fan of your channel by the details being explained and how fast things can go wrong. Can you make one on Nepal Yeti Airlines crash?
Holy ****! 2.17k subs and your quality of content is this good? Honestly man, keep it up. I'm a massive aviation person (and private pilot in training) and thoroughly enjoyed this video. Out of curiosity, did you use MSFS for the external visuals and P3D for the internal visuals? - Once again, keep it up, excited for your next video!
Thank you! And yes, you're right, I used MSFS for the external shots and XP-11 for the internals. I plan on switching entirely over to MSFS once the aircraft variety is there.
I know his quality is better than may day in giving accurate easy to comprehend info. I don't know why airline safety interests me it has since I was a wee girl creating paper airplanes with Rescue written on them. I think we need to pound that like button to get you tube to recommend. But wait it was recommended to me by you tube 😉
I don't think it was mentioned, but i wonder if the Hours of Service for the pilots running out had (and continues to have) an effect on "get there ites". I'm a trucker and HOS is almost always the most stressful part of my job and has actually forced me to operate in worse conditions then if I was left to my own devices, including tired, bad weather and worse traffic.
From your final comments it sounds that at least flying became safer after this most terrible tragedy. RIP to those who perished and peace to their families & friends.
A number of years ago I rode in a plane that flew for 45 minutes through heavy thunderstorms. Our plane was rocked from side to side like it was attached to a string and bein swung back and forth. The wind lifted the plane up, then dropped it. I'm assuming the pilots couldn't avoid the storms. The flight attendants weren''t allowed to leave their seats but they were handing air sickness bags and bottles of water up from the back. I found out later that these were tornado-warned thunderstorms. I flew a few times after that but was so scared any time we hit the tiniest bit of turbulence. I now travel by train, even though it takes longer. Keep me on the ground please. *lol*
I flew AA MD-80’s about ten years ago. Inside the cabin they were so poorly maintained and rattled so much I vowed not to fly them again as I thought of the interior was like this what was their maintenance like (in fact 1 flight circled NYC after taking off while they tried to fix the pressurisation before flying higher and proceeding with the flight). None of this gave me confidence in the airline.
I agree completely about the state of the AA MD-80s, although there wasn’t a lot of choice for the route I was flying back then. It was always such a treat to fly on a modern plane instead. Nonetheless the MD-80 had a decent enough track record over the lifespan.
Their interiors were fine - among the most comfortable in both first and coach flying. And their safety record, when properly maintained, is excellent.
Hello there, I am new to the channel but find the episodes quite intriguing. Could you present on the American Airlines flight that crash landed in Jamaica 🇯🇲, overshot the runway and ended up on a beach just outside of the airport & broke into 3 pieces? Keep up the good work 😊😊
In 1993 I was in the jump seat of a 727 (S9-NAZ, lost under similar conditions in 2000) coming into Luanda, Angola late at night in a thunderstorm. We were arriving late ~2300Z and Luanda ATC had no radar at that time. There was also no secondary we could have realistically diverted to. The Captain, PM in the left seat, with over 17,000 hrs calmly talked the 1st officer (PF) all the way down, through several circuits. Looking over his shoulder, I saw us rise and drop by a couple of hundred feet at a time, the Capt. calmly coaching, "bring her back up, gently now, we got a Russian (IL76 circling to land before us) 500' below us". We broke cloud cover at around 300' less than a mile from the threshold. On deplaning I shook their hands: the FO, I thought he had malaria, cold and shaking.the Capt. warm and firm. Some of these ex USAF/Navy pilots really know how to earn their pay.
Except for the fact that they think they are gods and playing with lives of hundreds of people. They think that if they have 17,000 hours of flight, they should not treat every landing with respect. There are a lot of crashes because of pilot error, because they thought they are the best and they knew better. The pilots do not put the live of the passenger first, but airline's needs take priority.
So many flights crash and are lost while leaving the runway, a gravel pit would be useful as used in motor/motorbike racing rathing than hitting bridges, forests and motoways. Just a thought.
Is this another case where this limit on the numbers of hours a flight crew can work INFLUENCED the circumstances leading up to an accident? Wasn’t the Tenerife disaster also a rush job like that? Are the net effects of this rule positive?
Difficult to ascertain without comprehensive study. But think about it like this, we know about accidents caused by rushing, we do not know how many serious fatigue accidents that have been prevented by this rule. My gut feeling tells me that the rule probably prevented more deaths
Realize this is a pilot assessment for what went wrong. What about showing some praise for the 4 Flight Attendants working in the cabin. They evacuated 134 passengers through damaged or inoperable emergency exits & openings in the fuselage. One flight attendant suffered a broken leg and became trapped in her jump seat. The remaining 3 flight attendants overcame tremendous aircraft damage and obstacles to save the lives of the surviving passengers.
I notice ground control often screws up informing fire-rescue where the crash occurred. Is there no protocol for that? It seems like a pretty important issue to remain unaddressed.
what? a corporation understaffing, overworking, and pressuring it's employees to do more than they can and should regardless of the safety of other humans?? crazy.........
I plan to become a 787 or A330 pilot. I plan to start off with UPS when I grad from flight school, as they pay the most for F/Os, and then I will join Air Canada, or my national airline! (they also pay some good ca-ching-a)
Outside pressure may never compromise your decision making. If it does you are in the wrong business. 🤔 AND you never get too old or expierenced to skip check lists. 👍
Just a couple of notes... the area is not the "Southwest" and no Air Force pilot makes lieutenant colonel in only 7-years. If the flight's captain had served 7-years, he would have been an O3 Captain at discharge. Perhaps he stated with the Air National Guard or Air Force Reserve after active duty and received promotion to light colonel there.
Bad weather, heavy rain and hail with thunderstorms, nighttime, tired pilots and behind schedule; it seems like a real “witches-brew”. It must be hard to control your emotions and think clearly?? What a tragedy!
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Have you done a video on the RAF Chinook that crashed into the Mull of Kintyre? That would be a great video.
This is why while it can be frustrating, I’m always understanding when my flight is delayed or cancelled because of weather. I don’t want my pilots falling prey to get-there-itis. If it’s not safe to fly, it’s not safe to fly, end of. My mom was a GA single prop pilot and was always super cautious around bad weather systems, often landing and getting a hotel for the night if conditions were marginal regardless of our intended schedules. I will always be happy to fly with pilots who respect their plane’s limitations and know their own as well.
I will definitely be more forgiving of delays. Unless it is because of sheer disorganization such as forgetting to load the food.
Same - and that’s without any aviators in the family! I never understand those people bitching and moaning in the gate area when they say we’re delayed, still delayed, delayed more, etc. Like wtf are they thinking? They’re mad because the guy driving the giant, airborne hunk of metal with seats and beer to get your ass to Vegas wants to err on the side of caution? Obviously it’s frustrating if you’re missing a cruise or 2 days of a 4 day getaway because of delays, but that’s just the breaks. Mother Nature is a formidable opponent. Also, agreed on the delays based on random nonsense that has nothing to do with safety. Although, seems like any micro decision the wrong way could have an effect on an aircraft in flight from these videos! So, by all means, take your time boarding that coffee!
I also make a point of thanking the pilots and crew if they’re around when deplaning. 🤗. It’s the least I can do.
@@roamingirl Yup I couldn't agree with you more. I'd rather stay safe on the ground, if that's the way it has to be. It's easier to stay out of trouble than it is to get out of trouble.
I’ve always been just fine with delays, and not because my uncle and aunt were captain and flight attendant. We began frequent air travel when I was 6 and that was when the first Airport movies came out. Even as a child, I was acutely aware that things could go wrong in the air, and it is better to be safe, and late, than sorry and never arrive at all.
your mum needs to grow some chest hair
This is why mum says “better late than dead on time.”
I've flown ultra-lights to fighters to 4 engine heavies. I have thousands of hours. As you gain experience it gets easier to do it right but it never gets harder to screw it up.
Research shows that it takes the same amount of mastery of a skill to know if someone has mastered a skill.
Basically, knowing if you're good at something "costs" twice as much skill as actually doing the thing.
Humans amaze me.
Huh
@@Akshay-cj3hq Exactly.
That is an amazing statement. That’ll stick with me.
I was Captain of the USS Enterprise, we fought the Klingons
You break this down very well, as a retired airline guy I completely agree with your description. This type of breakdown is spot on.
Thank you, glad you appreciate it!
@@GreenDotAviationhey man, I really like your channel. I watch a lot of mayday too tho and after doing a bunch of comparing and contrasting, I feel like you don’t always get the tension of the event properly. For example, in this video it didn’t seem like there was a whole bunch of stress and frustration during the final leg and just before landing but there was quite a bit
There should be a clear emphasis on safety over customer service within the work environment of airline companies. I.e. pilots should feel secure in the knowledge that even if a flight is running many hours late, nothing bad will come back to them for deciding to delay things further (I.e. go around, or travel to different airport) in the interest of safety. Better to lose 200 customers to another airline than to have those customers (and the crew) possibly lose their lives
You're right Elliot but the customers are the one shittin their drawers over late or canceled flights so the airlines kinda in a no win situation.if they don't fly they lose money and git to hear the customers suck too.
It isn’t that. It’s that they buy aircraft the same way we buy houses. They have loans to pay. For them to remain able to pay for the craft, it has to convey a certain number of paying customers daily. Cut a flight a day then you make every airline insolvent and out of business. The margins aren’t as huge as everyone seems to think. They are struggling to pay for their crap just like most of the rest of us, so it’s like just deciding to quit working for most people would be. You can do it, but then you can’t afford to support yourself so many of us don’t. It’s not that they just don’t care from greed, any more than you just don’t care if the fuel you burn commuting negatively creates smog and pollution. People are doing what they gotta do in the face of thousands of competing pressures every day. You can’t just randomly pick one pressure to prioritize and then ignore the rest, or you create thousands of disasters for all the other pressures you chose to just ignore. It requires balance. Amazing that the world works as smooth as it does when you think of all the pressures we all balance every day.
@@animula6908this is false. These companies make lots of money.
@jerrymarbury9365 @animula6998 they lose a hell of a lot more money with the deaths of hundreds of people and the entire write-off of an aircraft than they would by missing a flight. Sure it must be hard to make that call due to the factors you mention, but ultimately the right decision for the business is to not have to settle for hundreds of millions of dollars between lawsuits and replacing the accident aircraft.
I've been a flight attendant for American airlines for 31 years just retiring March 1st 2023, passengers used to get upset at me because we have a delay of because of weather and because I'm outspoken straight talker I used to tell him in a quiet calm demeanor look it's better to be safe than sorry for 31 years I've never had an incident knock on wood but American is a great airline!
Nice. Congratulations on retirement.
I am close to my checkride and man watching aviation crash videos has made me such a better pilot. It's crazy how the mistake are still the same that a student pilot would make.
Having the discipline to stick to procedures, standards and protocols is probably the most important quality in a pilot.
I agree. It is so much easier to bow to external/internal pressure.
I still remember one of my first simulator IFR flights from LOWS (Salzburg) to LOWK (Klagenfurt) with a Piper Seneca, an airport surrounded by high mountains. My flight instructor added fog, so I couldn't see anything. Altough I had previous IFR experience, I made dozens of errors and increased my workload. Instead of going around, I continued the flight. At some point my instructor removed the fog and I was short before crashing into a mountain. My point is, if you have a bad feeling, go around and do it again. Unfortunately I was too busy fixing my errors instead of going the save way. Unfortunately this happens to professional pilots too.
"Short before"tells me that you are German haha. Kurz davor funktioniert nicht in Englisch. Davon abgesehen ist das ein sehr guter Punkt. Manchmal macht man Fehler und es ist menschlicher Reflex sofort zu verbessern. Leider geht das nicht im Cockpit.
@@maxfullerton5228 I agree. it works in reverse too. Like I caught myself sayign "er kämpft zurück" for he's fighting back!
I thought you were going to say that you got a GPWS terrain warning.
I’m a pilot myself and have piloted the Bangladesh cricket team on many occasions but the bad weather always scares me even with all my years of experience.
How much experience you have
This isn't good to hear for a nervous flyer
This is the last thing you want to hear from your pilot
Imagine you're a passenger, in a flight in bad weather, and you know the captain is scared stiff
I can not fly a Kite let alone an Aircraft but it appears to me Companies push the flight deck & cabin crew to the limits for the sake of the "bottom line" .
Poor weather & pilot fatigue are a recipe for disaster which has happened here.
R I P for those who perished,
My stepmother was in this plane crash. Sharon Lockhart. I've heard her first person account! She has it online, too.
Bless her. A link to that account would he highly appreciated!
There was a television program called *"Mayday" aka "Air Crash Investigation"* and this accident (American 1420) appeared in the first season. It was a great series and I do recommend watching it.
Big fan of Mayday's earlier seasons! The episode on American 1420 was one of the better ones.
Best aviation breakdown channel on youtube, I love how you take us into the cockpit through these videos
Thanks a lot!
It's always easier to blame the pilots for a crash. But, in this case it was pilot error. We could blame it on the airlines or the FAA for allowing flight crews to be on duty for 14 hours. But again, pilots are under extreme pressure to get passengers to their destination on time.
Very true
Blaming , finger pointing etc ☝️ it's a human ting and in that, sometimes is bringing us chaos or an enlightenment ideas 💡
I agree Airline & FAA are to blame.
Pilots should not be overworked, in fact they should be only allowed to do 8 hours. There is no pressure to reach destination on time, reaching there alive is better than reaching on time. This is very bad judgment on part of the pilots to decide to land. And the other statistics was stunning too, when there is 25 nots left pilots choose to continue the stormy path rather than diverting. This is very poor risk appetite!! Pilots have a crucial role as much as the surgeon's
Pilots should never be put under pressure, this only increases the chance of error.
The airline managers who make this pressure on pilots are responsible for the deaths of the passengers. No doubt they will never be put on trial for this. More likely they will receive their usual yearly management bonus.
Your work is outstanding: first rate graphics, concise story telling, thoroughly informed and totally engaging. Keep it up. I can't watch anyone else's work now! As concerns this accident, I read an analysis some years ago that discussed the mission centric approach that ex-military pilots bring to commercial aviation (The mission MUST be competed) and how it might have influenced this crash and how, as well, this inclination must sometimes be tempered to ensure smooth outcomes for passenger transport. Of course, "get-there-itis" is every bit as dangerous in its particular way.
Thank you for the kind words!
And that’s very interesting, in that case I wonder could a US versus EU comparison of these types of accidents be done. The US has many more pilots with a military background, so we should expect to see more of these incidents in the US.
The graphics are from a flight simulator.
My cousin was a Little Rock firefighter and paramedic responding to this crash. The gruesome experience left him with PTSD which ultimately ended his career.
Ah yes. The famous Little Rock, Texas…
No.
Oh, my word.
I flew around this accident: Departed Little Rock the day before, and returned two days after. It was definitely spooky watching the news reports while out of town!
Anyone who has sailboat experience would be horror bound by those wind speeds, and having two sails (wings) that are fixed! Love Green Dot Aviation. Peace be unto you.
I was on this flight in 10A and can tell you I got to both pilots. Realizing that nothing could be done for the captain, I visually saw the speed brake and it was not engaged. I recognized this from my previous experience on C-141s as a crew chief.
I've done a bit (14,000 hours) the weather is the thing that always gave me the most trouble.
I've watched several of your videos and really enjoy them. I love the chain of events that you follow showing that aviation incidents are never just a single point of failure. I appreciate the effort you put into these videos.
A meteorologist for a local TV station, whom my parents knew (a really nice guy), recounted a tale of his deciding not to board a flight after looking at the weather. The flight crashed.
I think a key factor of "get-there-itis" that you didn't mention is ego. My great aunt was a flight attendant back in the day and I've met a few pilots, and hearing some of them talk about the air misadventures they'd been through, you would think these guys believed they were the best pilots ever and that no storm could stop them. Guys like that wouldn't hesitate to fly into dangerous situations without any thought to the lives in their hands if they thought it could save some time, and some of them probably even get off on the thrill of it. It makes me very glad I don't fly often.
A lot airline pilots were ex-fighter jocks or bomber crews.
Absolutely great camera work. I really love the "ambient" B-rolls in MSFS too
Thanks Michael, appreciate you letting me use your video as well.
I just recently discovered this channel and after watching an episode I suspected that I had found something worthwhile.
Having watched many videos from this channel I now realize this is an understatement.
In recreating these incidents context is everything. Although I thought I was intimately familiar with these I now realize that there was much left to learn.
Look folks, no matter how much you think you know about these crashes you will learn something from watching these videos. This channel is extraordinary enough to make enormous headway in this area and will do so as word gets around. It’s simply too good to be ignored by anyone with an interest in aviation videos.
Thank you for this very kind comment! The videos are fun to make and I'm glad that people who already know about these crashes can learn something :)
Agreed on more to learn… Don’t know flight numbers, etc. by heart, but I’ll usually know which crash it is once the story starts. Nevertheless, I keep watching, despite knowing the outcome and even the investigation results. There’s no difference in appreciation between videos about incidents I already know about and those I don’t.
Company culture is a huge, huge aspect of aviation safety. Pilots have got to feel completely supported in their decision to divert or delay. In fact, they should feel positive pressure to do so in marginal situations.
Well done... as a commercial pilot I enjoy the lessons learned in these videos.
Glad you're enjoying them!
"they were under pressure from the airline," always a part of crashes
Well done. Very informative and without these cheesy drawn out re-enactments we see at air crash investigations
Another excellent video, I have only recently discovered your channel, and now look forward to your next video. We can all learn from this video the dangers of what some people call get-home-itis. Hands up everyone who has driven a long distance when knowingly being excessively tired? I come from the UK, where studies have shown 1/3 of Motorway fatalities have driver fatigue as a contributing factor. So, even if causing a hassle I never drive when tired.
With having time off work I’ve watched a lot of UA-cam and just came across your channel . Really really impressed and so so interesting as I’m a massive aviation fan , all subscribed cheers
Fantastic, thank you!
I only just discovered your channel despite having watched just about every accident investigation video i could find; UA-cam finally saw fit to recommend this fantastic channel. I’ll be binging your other videos now!
Welcome! New videos released every Tuesday
Best aviation channel imo
Amazed that people survived
Fantastic video as always, both in quality and clarity. Keep up the great work!
Much appreciated! Will do.
This was the first ever episode of Aircrash Investigation or Seconds from Disaster or one of those well known Air crash programmes. I always remember the line " its like a dog leg " and " california cool. Peachy ", from the actors playing the pilot and first officer.
Interesting reading...."In the only liability trial arising out of the crash of Flight 1420, a federal jury in Little Rock awarded Captain Buschmann's family $2 million in wrongful-death damages following a lawsuit they had filed against Little Rock National Airport. The jury decided Buschmann's death occurred because the aircraft collided with illegal non-frangible approach-light supports erected in what should have been the runway safety area. The airport was found to have failed to comply with airport safety standards. Buschmann's estate presented evidence that the spoilers were deployed and had malfunctioned (not through the captain's fault), and that the aircraft did not encounter turbulence. The jury rejected the airport's argument that Buschmann was at fault in causing his own death.
The jury verdict has been claimed to completely absolve Buschmann of all fault for the crash, but the NTSB has not changed its probable-cause ruling, and American Airlines admitted liability for the crash and "paid many millions of dollars in damages to the passengers and their families." About 10 years after the crash, David Rapoport, a lawyer who was a member of the court-appointed Plaintiffs' Steering Committee, stated, "after all these years [whether Captain Buschmann was "absolved" of all responsibility for the crash] is still a matter reasonable people who are fully informed may disagree on", however, there should be consensus "flight operations should not be conducted in the terminal area when thunderstorms are on the flight path, and non-frangible objects should not be placed where it is foreseeable an aircraft may go."
Very interesting, thanks for this perspective on the incident.
Very good video, very informative and well narrated, thankyou.
Passenger Air Travel is a Sick & Twisted & Absurd Concept...Huge Piece of Metal Flying 35,000 FT in The Sky Filled With 100s of Passengers Trapped inside and Slamming into Mountains/Oceans/Ground/Buildings as Their Bodies "Disintegrate" upon impact....Surreal Insanity
Exactly my thoughts.
Then... don't fly? I'm not sure I understand what you mean...
1980 flight from Dallas Fort Worth to San Antonio..flew through a thunderstorm. The most terrifying flight ever been on, those storms are no joke.
A colleague and I were flying out of Houston to LA once, in the middle of a thunderstorm. It was the only time I've seen what looked like the wings of the aircraft flapping, we were bouncing up and down so hard.
My colleague was in tears, so I had to try and keep it together for both our sakes - but it was scary stuff.
@@ballaservices9275 I flew into phoenix Airport and the lady who was sitting in my row started to get a bit hysterical because the plane was caught in strong cross winds. The stewardesses tried to calm her I said to her think of it as a roller coaster. She said we could crash I said so can a roller coaster. The stewardesses brought her some water to drink, I suggested she ask for a brandy to my surprise she did. The water and brandy seemed to ease her fear a little. To me it was similar to sitting on a bucking horse.
Dude called AA before he called his wife. That's dedication to your job.
A lot of passengers lives in the balance in fairness.
No point in worrying your wife untill you have a strategy and know what the company will be doing. Better to make a phone call when on the ground when she know you are safe and sound. Unless you get killed in a car accident on the way to the hotel.
Umm, no that's dedication to wanting to live. The airline would be able to send emergency vehicles before his wife could lol
After watching so many of ur videos, im now even more scared of flying then i was previously 🙃
I'm surprised there wouldn't be some sort of prominent automatic warning from the aircraft, that the spoilers aren't armed/deployed when the aircraft is detected to be in a landing configuration, and/or at touchdown
These were comparatively primitive aircraft. Yes there was some of that. But a modern Airbus tells the pilots when they should blink. Far different world back then. Much more pilot dependant.
Excellent overview of this unfortunate tragedy.
Well-made and very informative.
You probably heard of the major crash of a military helicopter here in India this past week, killing the Chief of the Defense Staff and 12 others. That may very well turn out to also be a combination of poor weather and “get-there-itis”.
That seems quite possible. Will be interesting to see what emerges in that case.
Not uncommon... NOV 2004, a US Army one-star & six others were on a UH-60 flying during marginal weather when it hit a wire attached to a tower. No one survived that one either. I do remember the accident the vid is about because I was based in the DFW area when this happened.
Very interestingvideo, I love these and Air Crash Investigation
Another superb analysis.
Now I understand why planes sometimes don't slow down after they land in bad weather. That was always a mystery until your detailed explanation here.
#992👍 For such quality history this crew never should have attempted this suicidal stunt. The failure to arm the spoilers doomed them but the conditions were unacceptable and they just ignored the reality. Totally unprofessional and criminal. I can't imagine being so feckless!!!
"Get-there-itis", pilot fatigue, and high workload caused by the decision to fly through thunderstorms cannot all be put on the pilots. The pressure begins with the airline industry and the need to stay on schedule to control costs. Corporate executives can hide behind language in their manuals and training materials that talk about passenger safety being the priority, but it is clear from watching many accounts of airline accidents that the pressure on the pilots is enormous and at times fatal.
Being overworked and in a hurry doesn't go well with safe air travel.
Good presentation and you have a good voice. Subscribed
The danger in blaming only one person for a disaster is the assumption that if you get rid of that one person the problem will never be repeated. This is why after each accident the NTSB issues multiple recommendations, none of which are simply 'let's just fire this one guy.' This is not to say that the person making mistakes should not be held accountable but it is to say the system needs to be changed so people are less likely to make mistakes.
That was a bad year for Little Rock airport. On July 28th, 58 days after this accident, the Continental Express station manager at LIT accidentally walked into the spinning prop of an ATR-42 at the gate. Its been argued that the station manager & AA 1420 were the only US commercial aviation fatalities that year, even though the EgyptAir 990 crash on Halloween departed from JFK before crashing in international waters.
I think thatthe station manager was one of the people who went down to help the passengers after the plane went down the embankment. I would assume he didn't survive walking into the prop?
@@brysonbradford8622 That could not have been a good sight to see out of those giant gate windows. Yikes. RIP.
Very sad. Also in their minds would have been the added inconvenience a further delay would cause. If only they had remembered to arm the spoilers they probably would have landed safely but as you say fatigue played a role also.
A small technical correction: Spoilers disrupt (spoil) the airflow over the wings, causing the lift to decrease. They don't push the wings down.
Love your videos and explanations even like this one which I have seen before done by other channels. It was like watching a new crash altogether
This is great - I'm glad you got something new out of it.
Great videos and analysis
Thanks!
1st June must be a cursed day for air travel. American 1420 in 1999 and then 10 years to the day Air France 447.
we all experienced it… “get-there-itis”… nasty feeling
How does changing the aircraft help with the crew running out of duty hours?
I just found this channel today and watched 4 of your videos. Interesting and well made. 👍🏻
These are very entertaining and informative....I'll never fly again 🤣
Hahaha! 😂 same! 😆
Thanks this is so much better that others . Clear and to the point
At the point they changed Runway and still over 2000ft was the time to divert, from then on it was a gamble that was putting lives at risk.
I’ve always felt a connection to this one, because it took off here, in Dallas
I was a passenger on this flight. Very scary stuff!
I am so glad I found this channel. Very clear ... thank you
Toxic corporate practices are as responsible for this tragedy as were the pilots. There is no task that is so urgent that it cannot be done safely and that includes every decision and action made right up until the engines are turned off and everyone has disembarked. It is better to be late than dead.
I started watching your videos recently and became fan of your channel by the details being explained and how fast things can go wrong. Can you make one on Nepal Yeti Airlines crash?
I feel really bad for the FO who survived…the guilt he must’ve dealt with
Holy ****! 2.17k subs and your quality of content is this good? Honestly man, keep it up. I'm a massive aviation person (and private pilot in training) and thoroughly enjoyed this video. Out of curiosity, did you use MSFS for the external visuals and P3D for the internal visuals? - Once again, keep it up, excited for your next video!
Thank you! And yes, you're right, I used MSFS for the external shots and XP-11 for the internals. I plan on switching entirely over to MSFS once the aircraft variety is there.
@@GreenDotAviation Ah, X-Plane. One of the two flight sim competitions, super excited for your next video!
I know his quality is better than may day in giving accurate easy to comprehend info. I don't know why airline safety interests me it has since I was a wee girl creating paper airplanes with Rescue written on them. I think we need to pound that like button to get you tube to recommend. But wait it was recommended to me by you tube 😉
I don't think it was mentioned, but i wonder if the Hours of Service for the pilots running out had (and continues to have) an effect on "get there ites".
I'm a trucker and HOS is almost always the most stressful part of my job and has actually forced me to operate in worse conditions then if I was left to my own devices, including tired, bad weather and worse traffic.
quite excellent. not just a play by play but an objective review.
Even outstanding pilots are subject to human error and fatigue. They need to appreciate that they're just as human as the rest of us.
Really high quality video. Super interesting stories. Thanks for sharing
From your final comments it sounds that at least flying became safer after this most terrible tragedy. RIP to those who perished and peace to their families & friends.
A number of years ago I rode in a plane that flew for 45 minutes through heavy thunderstorms. Our plane was rocked from side to side like it was attached to a string and bein swung back and forth. The wind lifted the plane up, then dropped it. I'm assuming the pilots couldn't avoid the storms. The flight attendants weren''t allowed to leave their seats but they were handing air sickness bags and bottles of water up from the back. I found out later that these were tornado-warned thunderstorms. I flew a few times after that but was so scared any time we hit the tiniest bit of turbulence. I now travel by train, even though it takes longer. Keep me on the ground please. *lol*
You’d be dead if half of what you said is true.
0:47 Christoffer Moe Ditlevsen - Tracker, best background song ever tbh for these kind of topics
I flew AA MD-80’s about ten years ago. Inside the cabin they were so poorly maintained and rattled so much I vowed not to fly them again as I thought of the interior was like this what was their maintenance like (in fact 1 flight circled NYC after taking off while they tried to fix the pressurisation before flying higher and proceeding with the flight). None of this gave me confidence in the airline.
I agree completely about the state of the AA MD-80s, although there wasn’t a lot of choice for the route I was flying back then. It was always such a treat to fly on a modern plane instead. Nonetheless the MD-80 had a decent enough track record over the lifespan.
That's a completely normal thing on older aircraft.. The American maddogs were absolute work horses with an excellent safety record.
Their interiors were fine - among the most comfortable in both first and coach flying. And their safety record, when properly maintained, is excellent.
@@N1120A maybe for their day, but by the time I started flying, they were my regular plane and it was a treat to get something nicer.
Hello there, I am new to the channel but find the episodes quite intriguing. Could you present on the American Airlines flight that crash landed in Jamaica 🇯🇲, overshot the runway and ended up on a beach just outside of the airport & broke into 3 pieces? Keep up the good work 😊😊
In 1993 I was in the jump seat of a 727 (S9-NAZ, lost under similar conditions in 2000) coming into Luanda, Angola late at night in a thunderstorm. We were arriving late ~2300Z and Luanda ATC had no radar at that time. There was also no secondary we could have realistically diverted to. The Captain, PM in the left seat, with over 17,000 hrs calmly talked the 1st officer (PF) all the way down, through several circuits. Looking over his shoulder, I saw us rise and drop by a couple of hundred feet at a time, the Capt. calmly coaching, "bring her back up, gently now, we got a Russian (IL76 circling to land before us) 500' below us". We broke cloud cover at around 300' less than a mile from the threshold. On deplaning I shook their hands: the FO, I thought he had malaria, cold and shaking.the Capt. warm and firm. Some of these ex USAF/Navy pilots really know how to earn their pay.
Except for the fact that they think they are gods and playing with lives of hundreds of people. They think that if they have 17,000 hours of flight, they should not treat every landing with respect. There are a lot of crashes because of pilot error, because they thought they are the best and they knew better. The pilots do not put the live of the passenger first, but airline's needs take priority.
So many flights crash and are lost while leaving the runway, a gravel pit would be useful as used in motor/motorbike racing rathing than hitting bridges, forests and motoways. Just a thought.
Is this another case where this limit on the numbers of hours a flight crew can work INFLUENCED the circumstances leading up to an accident?
Wasn’t the Tenerife disaster also a rush job like that?
Are the net effects of this rule positive?
Difficult to ascertain without comprehensive study. But think about it like this, we know about accidents caused by rushing, we do not know how many serious fatigue accidents that have been prevented by this rule. My gut feeling tells me that the rule probably prevented more deaths
Realize this is a pilot assessment for what went wrong. What about showing some praise for the 4 Flight Attendants working in the cabin. They evacuated 134 passengers through damaged or inoperable emergency exits & openings in the fuselage. One flight attendant suffered a broken leg and became trapped in her jump seat. The remaining 3 flight attendants overcame tremendous aircraft damage and obstacles to save the lives of the surviving passengers.
I'm not a pilot, but I wonder why the missing spoilers didn't give them the feeling of "still flying", leading to realize that error immediatly. 🤔
Yes you’re very good at what you do 👏 I’ve been subscribed since you were a tiny green dot 👌
I notice ground control often screws up informing fire-rescue where the crash occurred. Is there no protocol for that? It seems like a pretty important issue to remain unaddressed.
what? a corporation understaffing, overworking, and pressuring it's employees to do more than they can and should regardless of the safety of other humans??
crazy.........
How could he have attained the rank of Lt. Col. in ONLY SEVEN YEARS in the Air Force? That's nearly impossible... unheard of. Serious question.
I plan to become a 787 or A330 pilot. I plan to start off with UPS when I grad from flight school, as they pay the most for F/Os, and then I will join Air Canada, or my national airline! (they also pay some good ca-ching-a)
Great pace, context, explanation, clarity.
Still the best-kept secret of aviation vids on the web. But I trust you will get many more subs soon. 🤞
Thank you!
The sim graphics are just amazing these days.
That aside, another great video, but such an avoidable tragic event.
Outside pressure may never compromise your decision making. If it does you are in the wrong business. 🤔 AND you never get too old or expierenced to skip check lists. 👍
Just a couple of notes... the area is not the "Southwest" and no Air Force pilot makes lieutenant colonel in only 7-years. If the flight's captain had served 7-years, he would have been an O3 Captain at discharge. Perhaps he stated with the Air National Guard or Air Force Reserve after active duty and received promotion to light colonel there.
Bad weather, heavy rain and hail with thunderstorms, nighttime, tired pilots and behind schedule; it seems like a real “witches-brew”. It must be hard to control your emotions and think clearly?? What a tragedy!
I cant even do a 16 hours desk job let alone flying a plane. This amount of workhour is inhumane
Never understood how rapid promotion is in the US Armed forces. LtCol in just 7 years is utterly insane,
What an idiotic mistake made an experience pilot. It angers me as a passenger who believes in pilot ability and training.