SECONDS after takeoff | Air Florida flight 90

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    Seconds after takeoff from Washington DC, the pilots of a 737 struggle desperately to keep their plane in the air. 79 lives hang in the balance, as their aircraft begins to slip towards they icy waters of the Potomac river. How did they get into this situation in the first place, and do they have any chance of making it out? This is the story of Air Florida flight 90.
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    FlyJSim 737 used for Aircraft
    Microsoft Flight Simulator and X-Plane 11 used for flight simulator

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  • @GreenDotAviation
    @GreenDotAviation  Рік тому +111

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    • @alexhoe02
      @alexhoe02 Рік тому +1

      Aw man I’d I knew you was making this I’d of emailed you a photo both pilots

    • @turkeydoctor5546
      @turkeydoctor5546 Рік тому

      Will you tell us the story about the sky king? ➰➿✈️ 👑 He flew the jet and was hilarious about it. 😂
      ua-cam.com/video/DstWZY_eUOc/v-deo.html

    • @JasmineTanis
      @JasmineTanis 11 місяців тому +1

      😊

    • @Sensor-g7z
      @Sensor-g7z 2 місяці тому

      Have you considered doing an episode on record breaking how heat waves due to climate change cause turbulence so bad that planes cannot safely fly in it? It's only going to increase. What is the industry doing about it other than canceling flights?
      ~~~~~
      *Climate change is making turbulence worse*
      *Buckle up for bumpier flights ahead.*
      .
      Posted on Jul 22, 2024 9:19 AM EDT
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      "Extreme turbulence is rare. However these two recent incidents have stoked concern and fear among fliers that dangerously rough flights are becoming more common. Scientific studies do indicate that climate change is increasing the occurrence and intensity of airplane turbulence. Atmospheric shifts triggered by global warming are set to cause trouble for the airline industry, making flights longer and costlier-but experts suggest passengers need not be too worried. Basic precautions can help you stay safe."
      .
      www.popsci.com/environment/climate-change-turbulence/

  • @KoffinKat
    @KoffinKat Рік тому +1315

    Wow at that captain. He was deemed "unsatisfactory" when it comes to:
    1. Departures
    2. Cruise control
    3. Approaches
    4. Landings
    Those are literally all phases of a flight, aren't they? What was he good at, then? 🤣
    _Edit: this is a great channel, by the way! Having discovered it just recently, I watched a mix of older and newer videos and I must say, it's incredible how much the quality improved_ 👍

    • @GreenDotAviation
      @GreenDotAviation  Рік тому +237

      That's quite a lot indeed. And thank you! I'm glad you've noticed an improvement in the videos. I'm working hard to make them even better this year!

    • @kevinharris5737
      @kevinharris5737 Рік тому +75

      Such a Mickey mouse airline.

    • @Dilley_G45
      @Dilley_G45 Рік тому +41

      Taxiing...Climb out(?), initial descent, Shut down

    • @u-know-this
      @u-know-this Рік тому +43

      All the dangerous phases

    • @noname-wo9yy
      @noname-wo9yy Рік тому +9

      ​@@kevinharris5737suprised Disney has not sued them yet

  • @EpicJoshua314
    @EpicJoshua314 Рік тому +789

    The rescue of the survivors of this crash shows great heroism: Roger Olian volunteered to enter the water with a long tether attached to him to rescue the survivors and when he reached them the helicopter arrived so he was pulled back, Lenny Skutnik jumped from the bridge into the water to save Priscilla Tilrado who would have drowned if not for his actions, helicopter pilot Don Usher flew his chopper so close to the water that at some points a skid entered the water.

    • @publicmail2
      @publicmail2 Рік тому +76

      The most amazing act of heroism that I've heard is that of Lenny Skutnik. He was presented a well deserved award from President Regan.

    • @optician53
      @optician53 Рік тому +26

      @@publicmail2 Agreed ... I couldn't believe what I was seeing at first.

    • @mile1920
      @mile1920 Рік тому +41

      agreed, i watched lenny skutnik live, i was yelling at my tv SAVE HER and lenny jumped in, best hero ever!!

    • @ArtCurator2020
      @ArtCurator2020 Рік тому

      What none of you seem to realize is that all that "Heroism" would've been unnecessary had airlines not been SO Greedy that they insisted on taking off in blizzard conditions. All the Heroism in the World doesn't compensate for Corporate Greed. The idea that Any Plane Anywhere would try to take off in these conditions is Mentally Ill and it's only BS Media Propaganda that keeps common people blind to this.

    • @robincharles7057
      @robincharles7057 Рік тому +42

      I watched a really good video on the rescue and there were some really brave people that day. Arland D. Williams Jr. was a passenger that showed a lot of heroism as well. He survived the initial crash but drowned before they could rescue him because he allowed the other survivors to be saved first. One of the bridges ended up being renamed after him.

  • @mycroftsanchez901
    @mycroftsanchez901 Рік тому +226

    The Air Traffic Controller has to share some of the blame for allowing a plane to land on a runway when another is taking off.

    • @bobbartlett3073
      @bobbartlett3073 Рік тому +21

      You’re exactly right!

    • @StuartRyan-yi5ok
      @StuartRyan-yi5ok Місяць тому +3

      It boggles the mind. The ATC knows that any take off, even in good flying weather, may be aborted by the pilot. He has to allow for this and let nothing comprise it. He comprised it by letting the other plane land.

  • @gomphrena-beautifulflower-8043
    @gomphrena-beautifulflower-8043 Рік тому +1486

    One of the few initial survivors, first name Arthur (if I recall correctly), was tangled up in wires and cables, so he asked the first responder - and the bystander who jumped in to help - rescue the others first. He died waiting those moments, bless him. It’s my understanding that bridge was renamed in honor of him. RIP all who perished.

    • @MountainCry
      @MountainCry Рік тому +353

      Arland Dean Williams Jr had a floatation device dropped from the helicopter to him, but he passed it along to the other survivors each time it was dropped to him. The bridge was renamed after him, and he received several other posthumous honors too, including an elementary school in his hometown.

    • @gomphrena-beautifulflower-8043
      @gomphrena-beautifulflower-8043 Рік тому +200

      @@MountainCry • Thank you for setting me straight. He lay down his life for others, the ultimate sacrifice.

    • @theaceofspades485
      @theaceofspades485 Рік тому +28

      Amazing story. Will have to look this up.

    • @cheetajet320
      @cheetajet320 Рік тому +57

      They renamed the 14th street bridge after him. I drove over it on Saturday.

    • @MrBsbotto
      @MrBsbotto Рік тому +80

      What a brilliant man, a true hero. Also, how about some love for the bystander who, of his own volition, dove into the freezing water to rescue people. Being submerged in frozen waters is the closest thing to hell that I can conceive, and he dove right in! What a heroic act.

  • @kristita_888
    @kristita_888 Рік тому +852

    I have always felt so bad for the co-pilot in this situation. His awareness of the aircraft’s performance and the icing issues could have saved so many lives. This is why the importance of CRM cannot be overstated.

    • @Tj11813
      @Tj11813 Рік тому +9

      CRM?

    • @juliemanarin4127
      @juliemanarin4127 Рік тому +2

      I completely agree!

    • @juliemanarin4127
      @juliemanarin4127 Рік тому +54

      @@Tj11813 crew resource management

    • @gsk5161
      @gsk5161 Рік тому +66

      @@Tj11813 basically not letting one man bully the other two.

    • @ZeroSOFInfinity
      @ZeroSOFInfinity Рік тому +44

      ​@@gsk5161yeah, basically the same thing also happened during the Tenerife disaster. Captain of KLM "override" the other crew members because he was hell bent on leaving. Instead he caused the deadliest air disaster of all time.

  • @rilmar2137
    @rilmar2137 Рік тому +637

    So many mistakes by the crew here... One might think they'd have been especially cautious in conditions they were not accustomed to.

    • @westnblu
      @westnblu Рік тому +61

      not the co pilot . He didn't want to go ahead with the take off but in the period this accident occurred the pilot has the last word.

    • @VGF80
      @VGF80 Рік тому +7

      @@westnblu You mean the 'pilot in command' had the last word?

    • @gosborg
      @gosborg Рік тому +4

      Or perhaps it was stress caused by the adverse weather, delays etc. that distracted them, rushed them and overwhelmed them.

    • @johnoneill5661
      @johnoneill5661 Рік тому +42

      The pilot should not have been a pilot. If you keep failing routine tests that show your ability or in his case lack of ability to safely perform your job, then it should have been sorry but you are not up to standard goodbye. In an emergency you don’t get the chance to fail and do it again at a later date and get it right 😡

    • @fionalorimer4127
      @fionalorimer4127 Рік тому +13

      I wouldn’t feel comfortable as a passenger having a captain in charge of the plane, with a recent suspension, and provided various attempts by the airline to get him back in the cockpit. Air Florida should have had tighter requirements for their pilots.

  • @m.streicher8286
    @m.streicher8286 Рік тому +565

    The only air crash channel I still consistently watch. It never feels like you're wasting time with tangential information.

    • @commerce-usa
      @commerce-usa Рік тому +19

      Not the only one for me, but certainly among the better ones here on UA-cam.

    • @m.streicher8286
      @m.streicher8286 Рік тому +17

      @@commerce-usa There are others who are really good. Attribute my comment to ACI burnout.

    • @EpicJoshua314
      @EpicJoshua314 Рік тому +9

      @@m.streicher8286 Yeah, Green Dot's American 1572 episode was 1,000 times better than the Mayday/ACI episode. The ACI episode also should be used how not to conduct an investigation where the plane is intact and everybody onboard survived.

    • @Dancingonthesun
      @Dancingonthesun Рік тому +4

      He also has the best line delivery

    • @exiletsj2570
      @exiletsj2570 Рік тому +23

      Mentour's series is good for the aviation knowledge and a pilots perspective. This channel puts on a more entertaining show though, better use of theatre, drama and cinematics etc.

  • @robbflynn4325
    @robbflynn4325 Рік тому +611

    So so sad, the final exchange between the pilots is chilling.

    • @toonieven
      @toonieven Рік тому +114

      Indeed, literally staring death in the face as it rapidly closes in on you... I find these cockpit voice recordings heartbreaking.

    • @MrMississippiMan
      @MrMississippiMan Рік тому +75

      Imagine someone today, some young person "dude we are going down" "yeah no sh!t" lol

    • @classonbread5757
      @classonbread5757 Рік тому +27

      Not the best word you could've used there

    • @jb894
      @jb894 Рік тому +20

      Pun intended?

    • @DanielSilva-gc4xz
      @DanielSilva-gc4xz Рік тому +16

      Not only the final exchange. Every exchange in this flight was so chilly it froze the water in the wings.

  • @AJBa83
    @AJBa83 Рік тому +264

    Seems like they were very nervous about their situation, and dealt with their apprehension by ignoring it as much as possible. Great for staying calm. Not so great when you really need to be paying attention.

    • @freedomfighter5222
      @freedomfighter5222 Рік тому +27

      Yes! Like a famous american author wrote: - You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality !
      [ Ayn Rand ]

    • @gnarthdarkanen7464
      @gnarthdarkanen7464 Рік тому +4

      Far better to hide/vent your stress through humor and laughs... You've got to be quick thinking to make a joke, and it doesn't have to be a great joke... Laughing helps exude stress-energy, too... Some folks don't think you can take anything seriously, but if you ever wondered why certain "professionals" have a weird sense of humor that might border (or frankly, dive right into) the inappropriate, now you can understand why and how that is...
      You don't ignore the Devil. You stare him RIGHT in the eye, and then you SPIT... ;o)

  • @enigmadrath1780
    @enigmadrath1780 Рік тому +68

    It's disheartening to hear the first officer begin to doubt his intuition when thr captain waved off his concerns. Despite his inexperience in this type of weather, he could tell something was wrong but trusted the seniority of his captain.

    • @Frip36
      @Frip36 25 днів тому +1

      Especially sucks that F.O. Used to fly F-15s and still managed to crash this airliner because he let the captain break the rules. He's a much better pilot than Larry so he should have stuck to his guns. Freaking Larry pulling his juvenile MacGyver stunts on the runway. There's a REASON for rules LARRY. The rules are smarter than you. The rules encapsule many important things that you don't have a clue about.

  • @bwktlcn
    @bwktlcn Рік тому +256

    A coworker’s dad was on the bridge, stuck in traffic. She said it haunted him for the rest of his life. He and other people ran toward the cars that had been hit, and there was just nothing to be done for 4 of the people. The only good thing about it was they got Flight 90 as high as they did. Just a little lower, and the engines would have hit the bridge, ruptured the fuel tanks, and the bridge would have been a fireball and nobody on the plane or bridge would have survived. The bridge might have even went down. My coworker was a little kid when this happened -he just knew his dad would never let them go to Vail for skiing, or fly down to Disneyworld in the winter. Finally, he sat my future coworker down and explained why they would never fly in snowy weather unless it was an emergency. He had severe PTSD, and fought panic attacks when he had to cross the bridge in bad winter weather. I’m sure he wasn’t the only one.

    • @richardcranium3579
      @richardcranium3579 9 місяців тому +2

      Amtrak

    • @kamakaziozzie3038
      @kamakaziozzie3038 21 день тому +1

      @@richardcranium3579Amtrak rules!
      I didn’t want to fly to Washington state from SoCal and got a sleeper berth for the family. That was an amazing travel experience

  • @neatstuff1988
    @neatstuff1988 Рік тому +104

    As a long time major airline pilot I'm safe to say that this channel is excellent. You took this down to its component parts and left nothing unclear. Going even past that you took it to a personal level like mistakes that the captain was making on account of poor performance. Honestly, I almost expected to hear what they had for lunch.... Well done

    • @TheUrantia001
      @TheUrantia001 Рік тому +6

      How to explain such gross negligence from supposed high paid pro's ?...really stunned .something as simple as a de-icer button..pretty strange..poor situational awareness.

  • @cheetajet320
    @cheetajet320 Рік тому +72

    The Captain came from Air Sunshine which was a mom and pop airline in Southern Florida. So did the surviving flight attendant. I was 12 years-old and watched the rescue live from my home in State College, Pa. We had the same snowstorm hitting. It was terrible and we got let out of school early. I'll never forget that crash! I didn't even know Florida had an airline! Now I'm 53 and a flight attendant who's had a great long career. Always think about Palm 90 on Winter days.

  • @thefloralgoddess9084
    @thefloralgoddess9084 Рік тому +247

    A post script to this event: a few days after this crash, I was on 395 to go over the 14th st bridge. It's always slow, but it was crawling. Once I was about 3/4 over the bridge I saw why...the tail end of the aircraft, last few rows on seats included facing me, had been towed to the wharf. I've never forgotten this. Just awful and heartbreaking. RIP to all the victims.

    • @ewyss9206
      @ewyss9206 Рік тому

      You mean to say, the bodies of those who had perished were still strapped to their seats for passers-by to see? What horror!

    • @cheetajet320
      @cheetajet320 Рік тому +22

      ​@@ewyss9206 Empty seats 💺
      No one would leave bodies for all to see. What's wrong with you?

    • @thefloralgoddess9084
      @thefloralgoddess9084 Рік тому +13

      No. Just seats. That was bad enough.

    • @Nikolai_Gogolllll
      @Nikolai_Gogolllll 6 місяців тому +2

      @@thefloralgoddess9084I know I’m literally a a year late but I hope you’re doing well, and that had to have been so scary, heart goes out to you and everyone who died that day ❤

  • @mattoc7567
    @mattoc7567 Рік тому +75

    My passion for aviation was turbo charged by Channel 4's Black Box Documentaries back in the late 90's. It was like nothing I had seen before...until now. The depth of psychological, technical and scientific analysis, combined with superb narration in this channel, is unequaled anywhere.

    • @GreenDotAviation
      @GreenDotAviation  Рік тому +11

      Thank you so much! Delighted that this re-sparked your interest in aviation :)

  • @georgenorris2657
    @georgenorris2657 Рік тому +31

    I don´t understand how they can be so anxious about ice and yet not put on the de-icing! It´s bonkers!

    • @Frip36
      @Frip36 25 днів тому

      Yeah, the chief officer was the only smart pilot on board and he screwed that up royally too.

  • @fecardona
    @fecardona Рік тому +51

    The captain on this flight behaves exactly like my boss

    • @GodsIsrael
      @GodsIsrael Рік тому +7

      I know a few like that too🙉😰

    • @Petra44YT
      @Petra44YT Рік тому +13

      All the worst to your boss, then.

    • @CrackHeadHuntersDopeman
      @CrackHeadHuntersDopeman 5 місяців тому

      It's because you all call them "boss." 🤷🏻

  • @isbestlizard
    @isbestlizard Рік тому +21

    Rules are written in blood and this pilot was like 'lol stupid rule it's my plane and i want to reverse thrust it back so i will'

  • @voyaristika5673
    @voyaristika5673 Рік тому +22

    Does anyone know if this crash had a lot to do with the "captain always has the last word" rule? How awful for the first officer to have to just accept that the take off wouldn't be aborted when he knew it should. Also, I always wonder how survivors are affected forever by these horrible events. We never hear much about that.

  • @kneel1
    @kneel1 Рік тому +51

    great job as usual. Horrifying. I forgot about the part they had a jet landing right behind them in low visibility thats nuts!!

    • @connieh.4212
      @connieh.4212 Рік тому +3

      That’s true, I hope the investigation pointed that out too.

  • @theHDRflightdeck
    @theHDRflightdeck Рік тому +104

    How far we've come...Standing on the shoulders of all those who perished, it's our duty to avoid the mistakes of the past.

    • @starguy2718
      @starguy2718 Рік тому +16

      Safety rules are written in blood.

    • @mofomartianp
      @mofomartianp Рік тому +4

      @@starguy2718 So are peace treaties.

    • @Shadowwand
      @Shadowwand Рік тому +3

      Regulations are written in blood. Which is partly why I hate this idea that opening up regulations are ever a good thing.

    • @NoSaysJo
      @NoSaysJo 9 місяців тому

      ​@@mofomartianplmao cringe

  • @timorieseler276
    @timorieseler276 Рік тому +97

    I've come to an age where I realized that when people risk their lifes by doing something very stupid, they are usually under the false impression of total control and not aware that they are doing exactly this...

  • @brettwasserman1781
    @brettwasserman1781 Рік тому +51

    I flew out of DCA to LGA on the same day as this crash. I was on an Eastern Airlines 727 shuttle that was two takeoffs before this one. It was snowing heavily and I remember it well.

    • @juliemanarin4127
      @juliemanarin4127 Рік тому

      Omg...wow!

    • @Hawther
      @Hawther 8 місяців тому

      Did they say anything on the plane or did you find out much later after you'd arrived at your destination on the evening news/paper?

  • @pissant145
    @pissant145 Рік тому +33

    Again, an accident I have heard several times before, but Green Dot provided me with TWO new pieces: the previous failures of the flight crew and the landing plane behind them. I don't know how you do it, Green Dot, and I think you are amazing!!

  • @commerce-usa
    @commerce-usa Рік тому +25

    So preventable under current rules. Even though tragic, so much gets learned from every aircraft crash that makes aviation safer. God rest the souls who perished and bless the government worker who risked his own life to save several of the survivors by plunging into the freezing waters of the Potomac river that day.

    • @Jabarri74
      @Jabarri74 Рік тому +9

      Probably also preventable under the rules back then too. Committed multiple acts of unsafe/ unprofessional action against company policy. For a final note taking off with dodgy EPR's sounds like an easy way to a big hot flaming mess, especially as the engines showed poor performance at the correct EPR setting.

  • @Claude1100
    @Claude1100 Рік тому +69

    Most of us are familiar with this crash, but you have brought new light to bear, and engaged us in a way that no other aviation channel is able too.. many thanks.

  • @b.t.356
    @b.t.356 Рік тому +70

    I can't believe it's already been almost 41 years since the disaster. I can't imagine the terror that the people on the plane and on the bridge went through.

  • @j.m.5942
    @j.m.5942 Рік тому +54

    Your videos are always top notch. Unlike some channels its not simply a readout of the report, but rather an interesting analysis based on it.
    One thing I would suggest, dont say in the title whether the plane crashed, kills the suspense if you know the outcome before watching it.

    • @darkko1969
      @darkko1969 Рік тому +5

      I absolutely agree. No 'spoiler alerts'.

    • @meadahagain
      @meadahagain Рік тому +2

      I agree, but didn’t want to come off the wrong way. You said it perfectly. 👍🏽

  • @helifynoe9930
    @helifynoe9930 Рік тому +7

    First Officer: Brain function ?
    Captain: Off
    First Officer: Common sense ?
    Captain: Off.

    • @starguy2718
      @starguy2718 Рік тому +1

      Pre-takeoff checklist complete.
      😳😳😳😳

  • @nysockexchange2204
    @nysockexchange2204 Рік тому +73

    Appreciate how you spent 99% of the time discussing the mistakes made by the pilots and not on the rescue efforts themselves which have been covered ad nauseam on other programs.

  • @paulkita
    @paulkita Рік тому +25

    This is one of my favourite channels. Really hoping it "takes off"!

    • @PepekBezlepek
      @PepekBezlepek Рік тому +4

      AND stays in the air, too 😆

    • @chrisp2509
      @chrisp2509 Рік тому +1

      @@PepekBezlepek 😂😂

    • @gorillaau
      @gorillaau 3 місяці тому

      ​@@PepekBezlepek°Don't sink"

  • @Yosetime
    @Yosetime Рік тому +24

    It's so creepy and sad to hear the cockpit recordings after the fact. To know they are going to go down and they are completely unaware until the very end.
    I've watched the episode of Mayday on this crash. The rescue efforts after the plane hit the water was nothing short of miraculous. Anyone who hasn't seen it should do so. There is excellent re-creation footage and real accident footage as well. There were many hero's that day. The survivors went through hell to get out of that icy water. It's heartstopping.

    • @wraynephew6838
      @wraynephew6838 Рік тому +4

      They were aware, it was just too late. I am confident in the last moment the captain realized that his First officer was right.

    • @catscanhavelittleasalami
      @catscanhavelittleasalami Рік тому +11

      @@wraynephew6838 FO realized he had been right too. You can hear the disappointment in his voice when he says "we're going down" like that poor dude was defeated. Probably kicked himself for not insisting that something was wrong, tho it wouldn't have changed the outcome.

    • @wraynephew6838
      @wraynephew6838 Рік тому +2

      @@catscanhavelittleasalami it is extremely sad

  • @davidpawson7393
    @davidpawson7393 Рік тому +73

    My father boarded this flight but realized he had left an envelope with the paper he wrote in a cab. I was sledding that day and came home to the phone ringing as fast as you could hang up and because of the high phone traffic many people couldn't get through Ike my father until that evening. Nobody told my sister or myself anything and wouldn't let us turn the TV on. The only other time I had the feeling I had was the day he explained what cancer was and that he had it.
    So many heros that day and I don't know why I'm crying from writing this when our family didn't suffer like many others. RIP

    • @zedfourme5085
      @zedfourme5085 Рік тому +8

      Of all the things that didn't happen this is tops

    • @chrisclermont456
      @chrisclermont456 Рік тому +3

      Your family was spared.

    • @kc8ufv
      @kc8ufv Рік тому +11

      Survivor guilt is real. You know how close he came. While it is definitely different than those who were actually on the plane, you know he was originally supposed to be there, but some circumstances occured to keep him off.

    • @anjou6497
      @anjou6497 Рік тому +2

      You did suffer, it was such a profound shock to you how close you came to losing your Dad. 👍💕

    • @nancysherburne7445
      @nancysherburne7445 Рік тому

      @@kc8ufv I'm not sure how well my reply will be received but your mention that David's father was supposed to be on the plane reminded me of when Buddy Holly's plane crashed. Waylon Jennings was supposed to be on the plane but he swapped his seat for Richardson, better known as the Big Bopper who died in the crash with Buddy, Ritchie Valens, and the pilot, Roger Peterson. I can't imagine how guilty Jennings must have felt and I can't imagine how very relieved David's father felt at being spared a good possibility he would not have survived had he boarded that plane. Thank you for sharing such a feel-good memory.

  • @barbaramonaco105
    @barbaramonaco105 Рік тому +25

    Was surprised to learn something new about this notorious crash. Until now had no idea that a landing plane was bearing down on the Florida Air jet as it attempted to depart. Great detail, great job, Green Dot.

    • @juliemanarin4127
      @juliemanarin4127 Рік тому +1

      That was bad on ATCs part!

    • @MediatorLLC
      @MediatorLLC Рік тому

      I read that DCA ptesently has only one active runway for takeoffs and landings.

  • @pillettadoinswartsh4974
    @pillettadoinswartsh4974 Рік тому +7

    The inadequate de-icing procedure aside, Flight 90 was the only one to crash that day. And, the only thing that would solve the idiocy of the flight crew, WAS the Feds.

  • @ifeanyi212
    @ifeanyi212 Рік тому +31

    Such a sad story here, but again you tell it in the best way I've seen on UA-cam or TV. I thought the mix of actual audio was a really effective aspect aswell.

  • @aproudamerican2692
    @aproudamerican2692 Рік тому +30

    *🕊Rest In Peace🕊*
    to all those that had to loose their lives to make our flying experiences so much safer.
    *You did not die in vain.*

  • @steve3291
    @steve3291 Рік тому +9

    This is what happens when familiarity breeds complacency. The pilots should have been extra vigilant because they were operating in unfamiliar weather conditions, but they didn't.
    Not sure of the regulations at the time, but the crew were not conforming to current 'sterile cockpit' conditions.

  • @Matticitt
    @Matticitt Рік тому +9

    The sheer amount of mistakes by the captain is unbelievable. It's like they did everything to cause that crash.

  • @dronepro7316
    @dronepro7316 Рік тому +10

    This channel has become a mainstay of my late night bedtime routine. Every night I watch one episode before going to sleep. I’m dreading the day when I’ve watched all the episodes♥️

  • @tomdonis4315
    @tomdonis4315 Рік тому +2

    They should of done a Posthumous trial and charged the Captain. Just to shame his name for killing so many people

  • @Mike12522
    @Mike12522 Рік тому +16

    In 1983, the helicopter pilot, Don Usher, and his aide, were awarded the Polaris Air Award.
    This is the world's highest, and rarest civil aviation award.
    They risked their lives making 3 or 4 return trips to the crash site, under terrible flying conditions, saving several lives.

  • @Maggie-tr2kd
    @Maggie-tr2kd Рік тому +14

    I thought I was familiar with the details of this accident but I learned so many new facts on your video. Quite an excellent analysis. You have a great voice that is quite pleasant to listen to. I so appreciate it that you don't play music too loud in the background while you are speaking.

  • @NathanChambers
    @NathanChambers Рік тому +7

    "Why did this plane crash seconds after takeoff?" Answer: The pilot flying thought he was a genius and knew better than everything he'd ever been taught and all rules in place.

  • @ljm.jft9722
    @ljm.jft9722 Рік тому +7

    My favourite channel love your videos✈️

  • @theaceofspades485
    @theaceofspades485 Рік тому +8

    An earlier comment forced me to search this passenger up.
    *Arland D. Williams Jr.*
    wiki:
    After the crash on the bridge, the plane then continued forward and plunged into the freezing Potomac River. Soon only the tail section which had broken off remained afloat. Only 6 of the airliner's 79 occupants (74 passengers and 5 crew members) survived the initial crash and were able to escape the sinking plane in the middle of the ice-choked river.
    *One of six people to initially survive the crash, he helped the other five escape the sinking plane before he himself drowned.*
    - This damn there brought a tear to my eye. Legendary.

    • @Frip36
      @Frip36 25 днів тому

      "One of six people to initially survive the crash, he helped the other five escape the sinking plane before he himself drowned."
      His wife: "What about me? I'm not chopped liver you know."

  • @itstheundisputedsagboo
    @itstheundisputedsagboo Рік тому +7

    It’s just sad how they allowed this man to remain Captain & put all these people lives in danger. This is his company’s fault for giving him that authority just as well as the Captain’s fault smh. RIP

  • @OFilellinas
    @OFilellinas Рік тому +5

    I'm not normally into aviation at all but your videos are so captivating that I watched them all with great interest.

  • @gaztastic
    @gaztastic Рік тому +2

    Shoulda aborted the takeoff at the first sign of trouble. Same mistake made 14 years later on Birgenair Flight 301. Captains need to listen to their First Officers more.

  • @patrickm.4754
    @patrickm.4754 Рік тому +11

    His narration down to the opening theme really keeps me coming back for more. Keep up the good work!

  • @johnblecker4206
    @johnblecker4206 Рік тому +5

    Parts of this were live on NY tv and the best part was when Lenny Skutnik jumps in and saves the lady about to drown and goes back to his car and drives home.

  • @nonamesplease6288
    @nonamesplease6288 Рік тому +10

    I lived in the DC area when this happened. I was a kid and schools were closed due to the heavy snow. I spent most of the day playing outside in the deep snow.
    My dad commuted to DC, but his commute took him out of the eastern side of the city, so he didn't see the crash or the aftermath. The government closed its offices early due to the weather and all of the government employees were on the road trying to get home. It's amazing more people weren't killed on the 14th Street Bridge. He heard about the crash on the car radio and rushed to the TV when he got home to see what happened. We were treated to live footage of survivors of the crash floating in the icy Potomac and the often heroic efforts to rescue them before it was too late. The image of a Park Police helicopter hovering close to the water with the crew standing on the skids trying to pluck freezing people from the water because they were too weak to hang on themselves will never be effaced from my memory.
    Those were tragic days for Washingtonians who at the time weren't used to such tragedies.

  • @nicholasbutler153
    @nicholasbutler153 Рік тому +3

    "Deficient in departures, cruise, approaches and landings"
    So deficient in literally everything.

  • @PRH123
    @PRH123 Рік тому +5

    It wasnt called Reagan airport at the time, it was called National Airport. I remember coming home (school was cancelled because of the snow)and watching the helicopter rescue attempts on live tv.

  • @karthickv6799
    @karthickv6799 Рік тому +6

    Hi bro... 🙂 I watch your videos , ❤ from chennai....

  • @bethfrench9064
    @bethfrench9064 Рік тому +7

    My husband was the last car allowed across the southbound span of the 14th Street Bridge that day. Even though I’d been waiting in one of the bus tunnels at the Pentagon, I had no idea what was happening. It was snowing hard enough to muffle the sounds of the Arlington fire trucks that responded to the crash. By the time my husband reached the Pentagon, I’d been waiting in the tunnel for 5 hours.

  • @Truthseeker4449
    @Truthseeker4449 Рік тому +172

    Wow so many details I've never heard before, such as a plane landing on the runway as they were still on the take off roll. Splendid job.

    • @GreenDotAviation
      @GreenDotAviation  Рік тому +20

      Glad you learned something new from this vid!

    • @kristita_888
      @kristita_888 Рік тому +34

      As many times as I have learned about this accident, I never knew there was a landing aircraft on the runway, either! That controller really added fuel to this fire.

    • @jacquesg2465
      @jacquesg2465 Рік тому +2

      @@GreenDotAviation I did learn too

    • @danielbroadbridge886
      @danielbroadbridge886 Рік тому +5

      Yep, I don't remember ACI mentioning that!

    • @cflyin8
      @cflyin8 Рік тому +16

      I hope the controller got some retraining too. Two aircraft on one runway!? With modern TCAS, the crew of the landing plane would have been forced to execute a go around per most airline SOPs. Here, they may not have known Air Florida was there. All they knew was they had a landing clearance and AF had been cleared for takeoff and should be airborne.

  • @publicmail2
    @publicmail2 Рік тому +2

    Watch the video of hero Lenny Skutnick jump into the icy waters and rescue a survivor blinded by Jet-A fuel, he was awarded by President Regan.

  • @MXedos
    @MXedos Рік тому +3

    Why was the captain allowed to fly with such a history?

  • @greymark420
    @greymark420 Рік тому +6

    "Hearing without listening", very true indeed.

  • @zebop917
    @zebop917 Рік тому +3

    Hardly seems possible that this was 40 years ago. I remember some of the news coverage like it was yesterday.

  • @TheMarineGamerIGGHQ
    @TheMarineGamerIGGHQ Рік тому +2

    I really feel bad for the FO here. From taking off you could tell he was really anxious and worried about the situation that might have been brewing. And right to the moment they crashed he had been in control of the aircraft while having to real control to make his own decisions which would have saved everyone... chilling

  • @abathens
    @abathens Рік тому +7

    I was 12 and at home on a snow day in Georgia when this happened. I was glued to the TV watching the news reports with my dad.

  • @2207Beast
    @2207Beast Рік тому +2

    That captain should never have been allowed to set foot in the cockpit

  • @micheleshively8557
    @micheleshively8557 Рік тому +5

    Love this channel ❤️
    My Mama and I watched this harrowing tale on TV live, I'll never forget it. Haunting

  • @sawahtb
    @sawahtb Рік тому +2

    It's hard to bale on a scheduled flight when you can't prove that you'd die if you didn't.

  • @Dan-oj4iq
    @Dan-oj4iq Рік тому +8

    My very first flight ever was on a DC3 in April of 1950. Flight from New York to Miami. To this day I'm still not sure how it got there.

    • @Sashazur
      @Sashazur Рік тому

      The vast majority of flights, even back then, got to their destinations without incident. Was there anything unusual about your flight, like bad weather or maintenance problems?

    • @Dan-oj4iq
      @Dan-oj4iq Рік тому +1

      @@Sashazur Because it was 1950 the whole thing was unusual. Especially for a ten year old kid. You'd have to have flown in a DC3 to even begin to understand the differences in planes of today. I did have to use the barf bag supplied in the back of the seat in front of you. Flew back home in a DC7 which was like a Rolls Royce compared to the Chevy pickup truck of the DC3.

    • @a_life_of_aviation
      @a_life_of_aviation Місяць тому

      @@Dan-oj4iq and now we use rolls Royce engines in a lot of planes.

  • @milenkirilov9681
    @milenkirilov9681 Рік тому +5

    Every video on this channel is a masterpiece. I hope you have a successful 2023 with lots of new subscribers and Patreon supporters and keep bringing quality content to us!

  • @GameAlicornLuna
    @GameAlicornLuna 7 місяців тому +2

    I live in Cleveland and fly out of Hopkins all the time. We get legendary winters here so they really take de-icing seriously.

  • @heartfeltteaching
    @heartfeltteaching Рік тому +7

    It’s a shame Captain Wheaton perished. Had he been alive, he could have been held accountable and punished for his behaviour.

    • @alan133
      @alan133 Рік тому +3

      More insulting that in the last few seconds of his life he probably thought it was the FO's fault for crashing the aircraft not realizing his smartass attitude plays a big part in the disaster.

  • @Nibster213
    @Nibster213 9 місяців тому +2

    Pilot sounds like an absolute headcase? Terrifying there’s probably others out there

  • @jaydubb71
    @jaydubb71 Рік тому +11

    1. In 1982, it was Washington National Airport. 2. It's pronounced "puh-tow-mick" river. I'm originally from DC and still live in the area. This was a really bad disaster. My grandmother literally just crossed the 14th street seconds before this plane crashed on the bridge.

    • @alexroselle
      @alexroselle 5 місяців тому

      It’s still Washington National Airport to me, I don’t recognize Reagan except in infamy

  • @donaldhall4823
    @donaldhall4823 Рік тому +2

    Tragic day in Washington DC that day I was 16 at the time & also the same day a Metro subway train derailed that day killing one person 🙏🏽🙏🏽

  • @michaelmitchell9612
    @michaelmitchell9612 Рік тому +5

    All the pilots I flew with in my 26 yr's of military aviation maintenance & flight status I'm glad each of them always put the safety of the crew & aircraft first, (leaving nothing to chance). While the pilots didn’t have a lot of flight time in cold weather how could they forget their training, ICING should be foremost on any flight crews mind flying in these conditions. Sorry for this crew & the passengers. Thank you for another sad but detailed and thorough video. Safe flight & safe new year!

  • @zunaidparker
    @zunaidparker Рік тому +3

    In your conclusion, you didn't mention any changes or consequences to air traffic control. Any additional info on this?

  • @michaelmoorrees3585
    @michaelmoorrees3585 Рік тому +3

    I remember this crash, was National Airport, at the time. Didn't get renamed to Reagan, until many years later. Reagan was alive, and President at that time.

  • @googoogjoobgoogoogjoob
    @googoogjoobgoogoogjoob Рік тому +2

    Remind me not to fly in the 1980s

  • @Maher-h
    @Maher-h Рік тому +4

    How did you know that the captain and the first officer looked at the wings before takeoff?

  • @najjimohammad9124
    @najjimohammad9124 9 місяців тому +2

    They never thought to use the Anti ice button in front of them but were willing to use the plane in front of them to melt the fucking snow and flip the plane so the other wing would melt😭😭😭how is this real

  • @Kreege
    @Kreege Рік тому +3

    A phenom 300 crashed shortly after takeoff at the airport I work at on Jan 2nd of this year, killing one of the pilots(who was also the owner of the plane). The weather was miserable that day. The cause hasn't been announced by the NTSB yet, but there is a good chance it was due to similar icing conditions.

  • @gooner72
    @gooner72 9 місяців тому +1

    You could've put a 5 year old in the Captain's seat and they would've come up with the same daft ideas as he did.........

  • @paulkita
    @paulkita Рік тому +4

    You would think that they would have heated wings like a rear window defrost on a car

  • @aratajczak1
    @aratajczak1 Рік тому +1

    the more i listen to all of you professionals here the more uncomfortable i feel booking a flight. i d prefer not to. in germany we have a saying that goes like: wenn er so bumst wie er fliegt kriegt er ihn nie rein. lol

  • @TheEarthRealm
    @TheEarthRealm Рік тому +4

    If it weren't for the bridge, they likely would've made it out of there alive. 😔

  • @TheLfamily24
    @TheLfamily24 7 місяців тому +2

    That “we’re going down Larry” brings a tear to my eye seriously.

  • @simont1108
    @simont1108 Рік тому +6

    Well presented sir. Even with my limited knowledge of aviation, I think the omission of engine de-icer deployment was the most critical.
    Having operated many machines with important information displays, in times of waiting you always scan all your settings and
    readouts to offset the "redundant" or oncoming "boredom" feeling. Most of the time I have done this "solo" so with someone else with you
    conversation would probably distract from that. Even with the ice on the wings etc. if they had taken off at correct speed to give ample lift
    the pilots would have had a much greater chance of staying airborne with compensatory actions.

    • @GreenDotAviation
      @GreenDotAviation  Рік тому +4

      Absolutely, the omission of the engine anti-ice was crucial - without it, the accident would not have occurred.

    • @simont1108
      @simont1108 Рік тому +2

      @@GreenDotAviation Thanks for the reply. we concur. Keep up the good work.

  • @pharkamongenalis2328
    @pharkamongenalis2328 Рік тому +1

    The recent nepal air crash day before yesterday which killed 68, make a video on it, the black box recording and preflight video everything is out. As for investigation i doubt they will do it, they have very bad safety track record if you get hands on any independent investigations pls do a video on it.

  • @northmaineguy5896
    @northmaineguy5896 Рік тому +3

    The name of this airport when this plane crashed was, "Washington National Airport;" it was not renamed to Ronald Reagan Airport until 1998.

    • @Shamrock100
      @Shamrock100 Рік тому +1

      Yes, I spotted that immediately too.

  • @OCSmoke8
    @OCSmoke8 Рік тому +3

    Another excellent video, Alaskan airlines flight 261 would be a great one to cover. Respect from Limerick!

  • @KyleCowden
    @KyleCowden Рік тому +4

    My mom was assistant to the airport manager and was on duty that day. Pretty horrifying story.

  • @StephenLuke
    @StephenLuke 8 місяців тому +1

    RIP
    To the 74 passengers and crew of Air Florida Flight 90 and the four people on the ground

  • @taylorg8509
    @taylorg8509 Рік тому +6

    Hey thanks green dot !! I enjoy your channel because I can listen with my phone locked and Don’t have to read !! The other flight Chanel makes you listen to flight simulator plane engine sounds the whole video ITS INFURIATING
    Thanks again your vids I listed to while going to bed or for on a run , where that channel you ha e to be reading along , and can’t multi task
    Please keep going bro I love your videos and binge them over and over again

    • @GreenDotAviation
      @GreenDotAviation  Рік тому +1

      Glad you like it! I'll continue doing the VoiceOver of course

    • @user-pv7gt4mi5b
      @user-pv7gt4mi5b Рік тому +3

      The "other channel" is mostly copy-pasted from Wikipedia articles as well.

    • @fecardona
      @fecardona Рік тому +4

      We all know which “flight channel” that is

    • @JosieJOK
      @JosieJOK Рік тому +3

      I watch a lot of the channels, and there are some very good ones. But this channel and Mentour Pilot are my go-to channels. Many are entertaining, but these two are also accurate, informative and thought-provoking.

  • @turkeydoctor5546
    @turkeydoctor5546 Рік тому +1

    Hahaha couplea doofs thinking we'll just fly anyways.
    Rest easy all the people that put their lives in those pilots hands 🤕🥹

  • @sursumcorda4164
    @sursumcorda4164 Рік тому +3

    Discovered the channel a few days ago and now binging avidly. Great quality of content, narrative, and editing. Only thing now is I have the weird feeling of having escaped a grim fate by luck each time I was a passenger on a plane 😅

  • @catscanhavelittleasalami
    @catscanhavelittleasalami Рік тому +1

    "People who graduate last in class still graduate." was pretty much this captain. Terrible at his job but still acceptable enough to be in a plane.

  • @alansmith4655
    @alansmith4655 Рік тому +4

    Horrible, horrible crash.

  • @lukum55
    @lukum55 Рік тому +1

    My brain can not process how they did not put the engines to full power at takeoff. When the engine power lever is set to low thrust that means the engine is on low thrust no matter what the instrument says, the lever is the one in control, not the instrument. I think airline pilots are so badly trained they simply do not understand simple concepts of flying. They just follow their check lists and blindly trust instruments with zero awareness of what is actually happening and zero room for independent thought or rational thinking and problem solving.

  • @CaptainSmashProductions
    @CaptainSmashProductions Рік тому +4

    Dude the formatting on this channel is outstanding! Keep up the amazing work!

  • @mutegamingstuff9120
    @mutegamingstuff9120 Рік тому +2

    This now makes me thanful that, when I was leaving from fukuoka to seoul in January 2021, we waited an extra 30 minutes before leaving due to snow accumulation. When you don't understand it it's just annoying but long delays are usually made with your safety in mind.