You missed when Shuri and Okoye were in Riri's dorm, and Okoye said "good luck defeating [Namor] with a heater", which ends up being exactly Shuri's plan in the final act
When Shuri told namor: "Vengeance has consumed us, we must not let it consume our people." That line devastated me in theaters, being the line T'Challa said to Zemo at the end of Civil War, they both went on a very similar journey after the loss of a parent. So gripping.
I think this really capped off Phase 4 nicely. It made me realize that the main overarching theme of phase 4 was laid out in the WandaVision series finale, Visions line: "What is grief, if not--love persevering?" And that really hits home in this film.
Same! I cried when I first watched it. Despite some small blunders with production, marvel studios has really done a great job laying the foundation for the next 2 phases, while also having its own arch and meaning, helping us all move on from all of the losses of phase 3 .
Did you notice that both Killmonger and Shuri are separated by the lush ancestrial plane by a window. They both see a place where they can commune with the ancestors, but it is unattainable due to their blinding anger and focus on the place of their trauma.
The opening sequence got me good. My theater was SILENT while the logo played. It was such a touching tribute to both the person and the character. ☹️🖤💜
Namor aka Kukulkan was maybe one of the best antagonists of the MCU franchise. His powers were much greater than I expected and his background story was really good!
thank you for saying antagonist, cause he 100% was not the villain of the movie. he was entirely justified throughout in my opinion (kidna similar to Killmonger) just with occasional slips in judgement. the same could be said of the Wakandan leadership in this movie. both sides flawed, but eventually understand that they need to stand together
Hes the villain because he brutally killed relentlessly, including shuris mom. Hes poetrayed as being nearly Unstoppable, yet shuri panther defeats him? Thats stupid. The heart shaped herb doesn't make you thor level strong either, its more akin to making you captain america level strong
Another thing I noticed was that during the bridge fight between Attuma and Okoye, Namora tosses the water grenade thingy to Attuma and he uses his hip to hit it into Okoye in a similar fashion to how that Mayan ball game is played.
The correlation between Shuri and Killmonger is so real. Ryan Coogler is a God damn poet. The only difference between good and bad is a choice, the choice between what you do.
The movie was BEAUTIFULLY done. I’m so glad that the director allowed us to grieve with the movie, verses pretend like it never happened. I loved the fact that the director chose an actor that in close relationship to that (Spanish) culture as the antagonist and didn’t show them to be weak as a different culture. A lot of teachable moments in this as well.
I really liked that when the opening credits scenes played it was quiet. During other parts, when silence sequences played it was also silent. It had the very respectful intended effect of a moment of silence. Truly such a great film and tribute. Also - I really liked that this touched on the colonization of Latin America. I also liked the metaphor that as people of color we sometimes fight each other, but in the end we must remember to support one another to end centuries of oppression.
I wasn't really sure about Shuri being a great lead character at first, but this movie really changed my mind. Jumped up to one of my favorite characters in MCU.
I love that the theme of phase 4 can be described as two things “What is grief, if not love persevering?” And self love. With the whole idea of the multiverse, the main form of personal development that can come with that is learning to love the life you live. Like Wong’s line in MoM, “sometimes I wonder of my other lives, yet I remain eternally grateful in this one.”
One Easter egg I noticed that you didn’t talk about one was the license plate number on the van that Ross was in. The number was CB112976! That was Chadwick’s birthday!! November 29, 1976. I love that they put this in here ❤❤ Love you guys and that the content you make!!! WAKANDA FOREVER!!!!
I think one thing I like is how throughout the film Shuri talks down on her A.I and not treating him with respect but as she tries to recreate the heart shaped herb she says please to him. It's small but I thought it was quite a sweet detail
I just wanted to hop on here and say thank you for creating these breakdowns. I'm totally blind, and while descriptive audio (an accessibility feature that aurally describes what's happening in a movie/any kind of video content) is great, it can't pick up everything. Videos like this make the movie experience even more accessible to blind and visually impaired people. And most trailers don't even have descriptive audio, so your trailer breakdowns are even more help. Please, never stop doing what you're doing! Wakanda forever🙅♀️!
Never stop what you’re doing and that is being a great human being, not letting your situation stop you in ways that others would! Wakanda Forever 🙅🏾♂️
I thought that the whole grieving moments were done so incredibly well and authentic. It was such a great move to let the intro be absolutely silent as it truly confronted us with the absence of Chadwick/T’challa
The surprise moments (Killmonger, Ramonda's death) were truly unexpected but really gave the movie gravity. I could FEEL the grief from Ramonda, Shuri, Okoye, Nakia, even Namor's grief for his mother. Very solid MCU movie, not just for phase 4. I was in my feelings the whole time and I love when a movie does that. Two very enthusiastic thumbs up for Mr. Coogler and th whole cast! Great ending to this phase of the MCU. Now bring on Kang!!!!
@@sherylmccormick it was so unexpected but hit so hard. He didn't have to roast her like that. I missed what happened or what was said right after because I couldn't stop laughing.
You could hear a pin drop in my theatre during that opening sequence. I just had silent tears streaming down my face during all those shots of Chadwick. So powerful.
The way the trailer showed scenes of Shuri in the funeral garments but finding out watching the movie it was 2 separate occasions really messed with my head and feelings 😮💨 10/10 movie
Man, I cried twice during this movie. The opening scene got me good and the end... just thinking about it makes me again ugly cry... the whole movie was so moving, so beautiful. At first I couldn´t imagine it without Chadwick but It was a masterpiece. Loved every second of it. Rest in peace king. Wakanda forever!
I saw this in theaters last night and two things of the many I thought were great. 1 the dedication to Chadwick Boseman was very touching everyone in the theater started clapping. 2 while they did not bring Killmonger back to life I'm still glad he had a presence in this movie and Shuri was almost possessed by him in her quest for vengeance against Namor. I also loved the connection (romantic or not) between Shuri and Namor when she goes to Talokan great movie
this movie was a surprise. i’ve been used to getting disappointed by the MCU lately and i went in expecting to not like this, but was pleasantly surprised. this one took more risks, less jokes, more serious action (ex, killing romanda, shuri fully getting stabbed and almost dying). i did not expect shuri being such a force in this movie. i would say this is the second best movie to come out of phase 4 next to no way home
At first I was annoyed of how Shuri quickly brushed off being impaled by a vibranium spear, but then later thinking about it, it was actually foreshadowed on in the bridge fight scene, where the talokan soldiers were cut down and impaled by a vibranium spear but got up moments later. Maybe the herb that the talokan and Shuri used might grant some regenerative abilities.
@38:00 I like how both Shuri and Namor reflecting back to their mothers while close to death is like Peter's vision of his mother when he grabs the Power Stone in the 1st Guardians.
Such a wholesome movie. After finishing the movie, I couldn't drive back hone immediately. I sat for a 20-30 minutes processing the whole experience. We need more these kind of movies.
The movie has so many layers as a Tribute to Chadwick, another exciting Marvel Movie, and an exploration of different cultures. It's such a cool movie.
The opening sequence was just pure goosebumps. The whole theatre was just feeling it and you could tell, and how at the end you hear Shuri’s silent cry, my god the tears! 😢
Namor yielding to Shuri is like a parallel to M'Baku yielding to T'Challa in the waterfall fight. It was never just about their personal agendas (vengeance) or proving who's stronger. It was about the people who will suffer if the war were to continue and escalate.
Very great parallel to draw! And the people of Wakanda always pull up a seat and talk with their enemies instead of killing them most of the time. Beautiful humanity in them.
Idk why but I need a Namor movie. He was so cool in the movie. Even as a kid he was insanely powerful. I want to see a deep dive (get it) of more namor stuff.
The symbol in Shuri's funeral dress is an Adinkra symbol from Ghana. That particular symbol is called Nyame Dua in Twi literally translated "God's tree".A symbol of God's presence and protection.
I love that Marvel is exploring this because it couldn't have come at a better time from during and post-covid where so many have lost loved ones or other reasons they've passed and helping others learn how to navigate that while life has changed in general. I think Marvel has been very smart about that now than they have ever been and it works. They make us think about what is important in life. I appreciate that.
That is an astute observation! And they filled those "silences" with so much- the wardrobe, the soundtrack, the breathtaking sets. It was rich and full every second!
I was literally crying for THE movie. (AS MOST PEOPLE ARE MAD AT ME FOR SAYING THE WHOLE MOVIE) Such a good film and so sad. The actors were amazing and the respect to Chadwick Boseman was shown very well, may he Rest In Peace. 🖤
The beautiful moment of seeing this film in person was during that moment of silence during the opening credits, then again at the end. The theatre was dead silent, no coughs or clearing throats just dead silence, and it was just an amazing moment to experience.
Your breakdown really makes me appreciate the movie more. Wakanda Forever is indeed a beautiful and powerful movie and it's not just a movie for me but a memorial to Chadwick Boseman passing.
On the Marvel in the beginning half of the screen is purple, but the bottom half is dark blue. Dark Blue is the color of Colon Cancer awareness. Not sure if that was a connection and a nod to Chadwick or if I’m just reaching. This whole production was a masterpiece. I hope Chadwick is looking down on us smiling.
It amazes me how this channel has leveled up. I just watched Jessica Clemons and MT's breakdown videos and now Eric's and I just gotta say, major kudos to all of yall who've been consistently killing it and finding that groove.
This film ends the phase 4 in a beautiful way. Everyone was phenomenal. I surely can't wait for a Namor film and Okoye's character arc in Midnight Angel.
Thank you Ryan Coogler for giving us this great piece of art. If this movie doesn't win multiple awards then no MCU movie will. You can feel that this cats put everything into this performance.
@@heynope4304 wait... so did u mean that the Award always considering cast gender and sexuality irl? not for the performance of the movie and everything in the movie ?
it still blows my mind beyond belief that chadwick boseman fought and filmed all of his movies while fighting cancer and literally nobody knew. that shit was a punch to the heart in every sense, what a true warrior
angela bassett did the damn thing in this movie and also had me bawling when that twist happened. also shouts out to my cousin joe robert cole who co-wrote this with ryan, joey and ryan did a great job portraying grief.
I also like the detail of the ancestral plane for shuri starting in water because the plants from the bracelet was a water version of the heart shaped herb
Namor was my favourite part of the movie, he was such an interesting character I can't wait to see more of him. Also makes me sad about how good Gorr could have been in another directors hands.
I think when Namor says that last line when the surface people will come for Wakanda and turn to Talocan, he was talking about Val and US which is being controlled by Skrulls. So i think i wont be surprised if Wakanda will be part of Secret Invasion.
Just might be because the skulls do try to invade Wakanda in the comics. Surely, they all die but they died trying to invade Wakanda. Wakanda Forever!!!!✊🏽
From story, to screenplay, from direction to acting, from character development to casting. This movie had it all. I simply loved it. Though I was worried about this movie after watching the sad joke of love n thunder but the dedication of this movie's team shows in the final product.
Brillant cinematography, acting that looked like the cast wasn't acting at all, great villian even better storyline. Angela Bassett should earn some hardware for this!
Ever since The Eternals I have theorized that the Vibranium meteorite was the celestial seed that didn't mature enough to hatch, if true this movie would suggest that there were multiple failed attempts at hatching a celestial in the earth.
@Legend's Warble could explain how Vibranium can do basically anything, just like how stem cells can be turned into any other kind of cells, vibranium can have healing properties, enable communications, grow plants with magical properties, etc...
I think the area Nakia dove into to find Shuri is the same place the old Talocanian priest dove to find that vibranium infused plant. There’s just more overgrowth and it looks worn down but I’m pretty sure it’s the same place.
You missed the small detail that Attuma sends over the water grenade with his hip, during the bridge battle, just like the real world mayan ball sport (which they DO play in Talokan!). I was an amazing detail.
24:37 The hand gesture by Namor is a hand gesture that you can see in murals and writings from the Mixtec civilization from Mexico. 26:50 Tenoch Huerta said in an interview he got that phrose from an indigenous leader that he had talked to before (not sure if during making the movie or way before he even knew about the movie) and that phrase got stuck in his brain. So he thought it would be perfect to say in the movie.
Namor was thought out, very ambitious, i wonder how much about mutants he knows because he knows he is one, and he’s diabolically protective, very well executed Mr. Coogler🔥🍟
Yer he was!! An absolutely worthy villain indeed, can't wiat for what's next with this character. Props to Coogler for making not one, but TWO worthy villains of the MCU!
Can we just take a minute to appreciate new rockstars? They’ve consistently been the top dog in making marvel content since the beginning of phase 4. Respect.
What an emotional roller-coaster ride of a movie! Just when I thought I had recovered, it hits me with a sucker punch! My tears rolled freely and I was not ashamed... Chadwick Boseman, wherever you are, thank you and may you find peace, everlasting.
Just got done watching it..wow..what a great adventurous film.. everyone involved did a great job. What a great tribute to Chadwick… definitely a masterpiece !
I can't believe nobody's talking about it, but when Shuri said "vengeance has consumes us for too long, I will not let it consume me any longer", I LOST IT 😢 Am I the only one?
I think that moment went undetected because we just saw Namor who we thought was down and out stab Shuri in the stomach with that spear, so we were still on the edge of our seats expecting to see if Namor had one last trick up his sleeve.
This is imo one of the best if not THE best Marvel Studios movie when it comes to acting!! Letitia and Tenoch really knocked it out of the field with their roles ñ! Angela Bassett, Danai Gurira and Lupita also bring their A game. Loved the movie!!
Something about namor is so boyish and kind to me. Like giving shuri his moms bracelet is like behind niceties. His character was so developed. Maybe too developed as the movie was extremely long for me but certainly enjoyable.
I thought it was going to end with an consolidation of powers by the rulers of Wakanda and Talokan setting aside grudges and creating a tenuous alliance by dating/marriage which can still happen (I guess)
Honestly one of my favourite marvel movies, from the storytelling to the action it was so close to perfect. The action Rivaled that of even infinity war and endgame, and the emotion rivaling that of again infinity war and endgame but also no way home
I saw it tonight with my family. What an amazing movie. I cried mutiple times. A very touching film that was a great tribute to Chadwick Boseman and how we, as human beings, fight grief....especially the grief of the ones close to us. It definitely closes phase 4. Introducing Talokan was awesome. Also....Quantumanium was a preview and I'm excited to see that!
the final close-up scene to Shuri at the beach reminded me a lot that close-up sad Tony Stark's scene in Titan after everyone dissapeared from the snap.
26:45 "this is just grief" and the context around that is such a beautiful & simple way to make such a profound & helpful point for people in similar situations, even if that's just me - well said Ryan
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You missed when Shuri and Okoye were in Riri's dorm, and Okoye said "good luck defeating [Namor] with a heater", which ends up being exactly Shuri's plan in the final act
Hahaha great catch.
Yeah he missed the whole "ashy forehead" comment too!
😂
@@DarthRaptor22 lol I loved this scene
@@DarthRaptor22 I think the "head makeup presented its own problems" comment was to address that part without getting too much into it. Haha
When Shuri told namor: "Vengeance has consumed us, we must not let it consume our people." That line devastated me in theaters, being the line T'Challa said to Zemo at the end of Civil War, they both went on a very similar journey after the loss of a parent. So gripping.
I didn't catch that was the same line, but damn I loved that line
@@Westcoastspidey it’s not exactly the same but it’s very similar
very watchful observation good sir
Wow thats very george lucas letting the story line “rhyme” like that❤
I realized the same thing as I left the theater, that the two of them go through a VERY similar arc in their movies
I think this really capped off Phase 4 nicely.
It made me realize that the main overarching theme of phase 4 was laid out in the WandaVision series finale, Visions line: "What is grief, if not--love persevering?" And that really hits home in this film.
Same! I cried when I first watched it. Despite some small blunders with production, marvel studios has really done a great job laying the foundation for the next 2 phases, while also having its own arch and meaning, helping us all move on from all of the losses of phase 3 .
Might get that tattooed to honor dead relatives
I never usually cry in movies and shows cuz I know they’re not real but this got me 1% tearing up so ye very sad. But I didn’t cry..
Incredible writing
Amen.
Did you notice that both Killmonger and Shuri are separated by the lush ancestrial plane by a window. They both see a place where they can commune with the ancestors, but it is unattainable due to their blinding anger and focus on the place of their trauma.
Yes! Amazing call out
Ooh that’s good. I hadnt considered that on Shuri’s terms
Well observed 👍👌
I would more likely say Shuri's lack of belief in the ancestral plane would do that
Seeing my beloved Haiti be shown in such a positive light was nearly as overwhelming as the Chadwick tributes
I had the same thought! That's where my dad is from and he always gets so frustrated when he only ever sees Haiti portrayed negatively.
agreed
Why dont you live there?
@@kingforaday8725 Who said he doesn't?
@@IronIsKing I do.
The opening sequence got me good. My theater was SILENT while the logo played. It was such a touching tribute to both the person and the character. ☹️🖤💜
In the theatre last night, the movie got an ovation at the end.
My theater was also silent, I live in Mexico City. R.I.P. Wakanda's King
In my small town in a full theatre, the silence was honored completely and it really hit me hard.
Same - except for sniffles (mine included)
My theater was also dead silent during the logo part.
Namor aka Kukulkan was maybe one of the best antagonists of the MCU franchise. His powers were much greater than I expected and his background story was really good!
and he wasn’t disposed of in just one movie like gorr the god butcher
And mind u this is only his basic powers he will get stronger as he’s in more movies
thank you for saying antagonist, cause he 100% was not the villain of the movie. he was entirely justified throughout in my opinion (kidna similar to Killmonger) just with occasional slips in judgement. the same could be said of the Wakandan leadership in this movie. both sides flawed, but eventually understand that they need to stand together
@@m.ibrahim_2501 He is the villain because he wanted to kill the entire human race
Hes the villain because he brutally killed relentlessly, including shuris mom. Hes poetrayed as being nearly Unstoppable, yet shuri panther defeats him? Thats stupid. The heart shaped herb doesn't make you thor level strong either, its more akin to making you captain america level strong
Another thing I noticed was that during the bridge fight between Attuma and Okoye, Namora tosses the water grenade thingy to Attuma and he uses his hip to hit it into Okoye in a similar fashion to how that Mayan ball game is played.
Saw the movie in 3d and that part got me lmao I straight up jumped in my seat
Yep
Damn. Good catch
The correlation between Shuri and Killmonger is so real. Ryan Coogler is a God damn poet.
The only difference between good and bad is a choice, the choice between what you do.
Isn't he?! I didn't even THINK about it until he put it in the film and that scene played out... then you realize how much they have in common!
The movie was BEAUTIFULLY done. I’m so glad that the director allowed us to grieve with the movie, verses pretend like it never happened. I loved the fact that the director chose an actor that in close relationship to that (Spanish) culture as the antagonist and didn’t show them to be weak as a different culture. A lot of teachable moments in this as well.
Mayan culture*
@@Native_Creation Mesoamerican culture.(southern mexican culture)
Amen! Coogler really allowed for us to be connected with Chadwick, such a tragic thing to happen and he really dedicated this to him!
I really liked that when the opening credits scenes played it was quiet. During other parts, when silence sequences played it was also silent. It had the very respectful intended effect of a moment of silence. Truly such a great film and tribute.
Also - I really liked that this touched on the colonization of Latin America. I also liked the metaphor that as people of color we sometimes fight each other, but in the end we must remember to support one another to end centuries of oppression.
Just said this to my husband 💯
Best comment 🤎
Great insight and Analysis. No sarcasm
Yes, this absolutely!
I cried during that silence... It was very powerful..
I wasn't really sure about Shuri being a great lead character at first, but this movie really changed my mind.
Jumped up to one of my favorite characters in MCU.
Agree with absolutely every word!
Given time and good script any character can be an good lead
Same I was unsure but idk why leticia is Amazing
Nice, and it also lends itself to Namor's quote about really broke ln people being great leaders.
@@TraceyOfficial don’t take what he said at all seriously because it is not true at all
I love that the theme of phase 4 can be described as two things
“What is grief, if not love persevering?”
And self love. With the whole idea of the multiverse, the main form of personal development that can come with that is learning to love the life you live. Like Wong’s line in MoM, “sometimes I wonder of my other lives, yet I remain eternally grateful in this one.”
I'd say the Loki series embodies the whole self-love idea as well. And not because of Sylvie, but rather Loki himself getting over his self-loathing.
Fantastic insights
Absolute spot-on reflections of a phase 4, that in time, will be seen as pivotal to this story that is the MCU.
That is a fantastic view, not one I thought of earlier, I was focused on multiverse and that its more like phase 1 than anything else
@@Ikajo agreed he literally falls in love with a variant of himself lol
One Easter egg I noticed that you didn’t talk about one was the license plate number on the van that Ross was in. The number was CB112976! That was Chadwick’s birthday!! November 29, 1976. I love that they put this in here ❤❤
Love you guys and that the content you make!!!
WAKANDA FOREVER!!!!
Very nice Easter egg.
Wakanda Forever! (crosses arms) 🙂
I caught that as well! ❤
Great pick up!
I think one thing I like is how throughout the film Shuri talks down on her A.I and not treating him with respect but as she tries to recreate the heart shaped herb she says please to him. It's small but I thought it was quite a sweet detail
This is a reach
I just wanted to hop on here and say thank you for creating these breakdowns. I'm totally blind, and while descriptive audio (an accessibility feature that aurally describes what's happening in a movie/any kind of video content) is great, it can't pick up everything. Videos like this make the movie experience even more accessible to blind and visually impaired people. And most trailers don't even have descriptive audio, so your trailer breakdowns are even more help. Please, never stop doing what you're doing! Wakanda forever🙅♀️!
Never stop what you’re doing and that is being a great human being, not letting your situation stop you in ways that others would! Wakanda Forever 🙅🏾♂️
@@J.O.R.D not sure if he can see this
@@Coleryy savage
@@Coleryy how he use emoji’s 😂
Stay strong
I thought that the whole grieving moments were done so incredibly well and authentic. It was such a great move to let the intro be absolutely silent as it truly confronted us with the absence of Chadwick/T’challa
Totally agree with you
Actually the joke with Riri’s dorm door is that it says “solve or don’t knock”, and obviously it’s an unsolvable equation.
The surprise moments (Killmonger, Ramonda's death) were truly unexpected but really gave the movie gravity. I could FEEL the grief from Ramonda, Shuri, Okoye, Nakia, even Namor's grief for his mother. Very solid MCU movie, not just for phase 4. I was in my feelings the whole time and I love when a movie does that. Two very enthusiastic thumbs up for Mr. Coogler and th whole cast! Great ending to this phase of the MCU. Now bring on Kang!!!!
It also made me feel like anyone really could die!
Same same same. You summarized exactly how I feel
Letitia Wright stepped up in this film and did an amazing job, everybody did but she really showed how much she cared about this film.
Letitia Wright and Angela Bassett both had Oscar-level performances, and the others’ acting was phenomenal too. This movie was incredible.
Hell yeah agree
Indeed! They gave it their all!
I can agree with one of of those choices. Angela Bassett did beautifully.
@@lssjbroly_YT I also liked Letitia Wright tho
Angela Basset probably gave the best performance by an actress in MCU history
When M'baku called Okoye a "bald headed demon". I couldn't contain myself in the theater. I lost it, it made me laugh out loud 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Yes! The theater audience I was part of cracked up, too.
@@sherylmccormick it was so unexpected but hit so hard. He didn't have to roast her like that. I missed what happened or what was said right after because I couldn't stop laughing.
Same
Apparently that line was improvised!!! Respect to Winston Duke. Lol. The two seem to have a great relationship even off screen.
If improvised even better, probably one of the best lines of the movie
You could hear a pin drop in my theatre during that opening sequence. I just had silent tears streaming down my face during all those shots of Chadwick. So powerful.
Yeah my mom and I were crying when that scene showed. That funeral scene was heavy 😩
@@ARaebow I was crying in the end
The way the trailer showed scenes of Shuri in the funeral garments but finding out watching the movie it was 2 separate occasions really messed with my head and feelings 😮💨 10/10 movie
Plus knowing there's probably other herbs out there is super interesting
The fact that Marvel bluntly says that the CIA is a shady organisation in this film still makes me laugh
Gotta love it
It's an open secret that the CIA does terrible shit. Or maybe just common knowledge
Man, I cried twice during this movie. The opening scene got me good and the end... just thinking about it makes me again ugly cry... the whole movie was so moving, so beautiful. At first I couldn´t imagine it without Chadwick but It was a masterpiece. Loved every second of it. Rest in peace king. Wakanda forever!
The silence was brilliant
Ryan Coogler is really a down to earth soul. He is so humble and respectful.
ISn't he?! Worthy of all the love and respect!
@@GeeklyGoods He surely is ❤
This movie was both good and a very respectful tribute to Chadwick Boseman! 🙏
The theatre I was in last night gave the movie an ovation at the end. Unbelievable!
Twas mid as hell just like the rest of Phase Bore
@@CancelHappiness ok
@@CancelHappiness 🤓
I saw this in theaters last night and two things of the many I thought were great. 1 the dedication to Chadwick Boseman was very touching everyone in the theater started clapping. 2 while they did not bring Killmonger back to life I'm still glad he had a presence in this movie and Shuri was almost possessed by him in her quest for vengeance against Namor. I also loved the connection (romantic or not) between Shuri and Namor when she goes to Talokan great movie
this movie was a surprise. i’ve been used to getting disappointed by the MCU lately and i went in expecting to not like this, but was pleasantly surprised. this one took more risks, less jokes, more serious action (ex, killing romanda, shuri fully getting stabbed and almost dying). i did not expect shuri being such a force in this movie. i would say this is the second best movie to come out of phase 4 next to no way home
Hey Swoosh
No way home is literally the worst piece of shit marvel has ever churned out.
@@rubenlay610 only to you !
@@rubenlay610 stop lurking for attention
@@mojo1320 I'm not. Simply stating a fact.
At first I was annoyed of how Shuri quickly brushed off being impaled by a vibranium spear, but then later thinking about it, it was actually foreshadowed on in the bridge fight scene, where the talokan soldiers were cut down and impaled by a vibranium spear but got up moments later.
Maybe the herb that the talokan and Shuri used might grant some regenerative abilities.
One word, killmonger
That's how I explained it to my nephew. I brought it back to the bridge scene.
You might be onto something with the “regen ability” and leading into the future of mutants 👀
makes sense as to why they focused on that in the scene
Wow good catch
Shuri seeing Killmonger was weirdly the most relieving moment of the movie. Also my fave scene of the film.
U gone take care of business
@38:00 I like how both Shuri and Namor reflecting back to their mothers while close to death is like Peter's vision of his mother when he grabs the Power Stone in the 1st Guardians.
Such a wholesome movie. After finishing the movie, I couldn't drive back hone immediately. I sat for a 20-30 minutes processing the whole experience. We need more these kind of movies.
Me and my friends were in the parking lot for 1 1/2 hours it was just so much to digest but in a good way
The movie has so many layers as a Tribute to Chadwick, another exciting Marvel Movie, and an exploration of different cultures. It's such a cool movie.
During the title card, I loved how it was silent. It was so silent in my theater you could hear pen drops. It was so beautiful and breathtaking.
I just came back from the cinema 40 minutes ago. By far the best cinema experience I’ve ever had I’ll definitely watch it again
you put words to my feelings as well
That logo opening with a moment of silence was just perfect. This movie was an amazing tribute to such a gift to humanity.
The opening sequence was just pure goosebumps. The whole theatre was just feeling it and you could tell, and how at the end you hear Shuri’s silent cry, my god the tears! 😢
Namor yielding to Shuri is like a parallel to M'Baku yielding to T'Challa in the waterfall fight. It was never just about their personal agendas (vengeance) or proving who's stronger. It was about the people who will suffer if the war were to continue and escalate.
Very great parallel to draw! And the people of Wakanda always pull up a seat and talk with their enemies instead of killing them most of the time. Beautiful humanity in them.
THANK YOU! So many people don't get this. Killing lone wolves or gang leaders has no major impact in the same way that killing the leader of a nation.
Idk why but I need a Namor movie. He was so cool in the movie. Even as a kid he was insanely powerful. I want to see a deep dive (get it) of more namor stuff.
I couldn't believe how badass he was in this movie..... I put him right up there with Heath Ledger's joker
@Lukas Ramos They changed it because it would be too similar to Aquaman
@Lukas Ramos I like it better
Idk if a namor movie would work tho to me hes better off just a supporting charavter or an antagonist of some sort
I loved his character for some reason, I’m so happy they didn’t kill him
I loved seeing Killmonger again in the sequel. It was great seeing them one by one return, in some shape or form.
And they all came in perfectly. Great characters and they all grew.
One the many scenes that stuck out to me in the movie
3:50 Honestly, that intro was the most powerful Marvel intro I have ever seen. That moment of silence hit hard and was indeed an outstanding tribute
The symbol in Shuri's funeral dress is an Adinkra symbol from Ghana. That particular symbol is called Nyame Dua in Twi literally translated "God's tree".A symbol of God's presence and protection.
I cried so much watching this movie. I truly believe Angela basset deserves an Oscar nomination for her performance.
Shuris character development was done so well!!
If you enjoyed it, it's probably because you've enjoyed T'Challa's character development in previous films. It's the same movie again.
@@thembanitheone ok
@@thembanitheone pretty much
Also sad you didn't mention how Shuri mirrored almost one for one T'Challa's line in Civil War about vengeance towards Namor.
Yesssss….that line was very emotional
Yesss so good
I love that Marvel is exploring this because it couldn't have come at a better time from during and post-covid where so many have lost loved ones or other reasons they've passed and helping others learn how to navigate that while life has changed in general. I think Marvel has been very smart about that now than they have ever been and it works. They make us think about what is important in life. I appreciate that.
I love that Shuri suit has that Killmonger vibe, might be hinting their both similarities.
The amount of silence in this movie was so moving. The absence of the king. A beautiful movie… unmatched
That is an astute observation! And they filled those "silences" with so much- the wardrobe, the soundtrack, the breathtaking sets. It was rich and full every second!
It's even better 2 rewatch at home now on Disney
I loved riri’s connection with the MIT admission statement from Tony. Truly ready for the Ironheart series.
I was literally crying for THE movie. (AS MOST PEOPLE ARE MAD AT ME FOR SAYING THE WHOLE MOVIE) Such a good film and so sad. The actors were amazing and the respect to Chadwick Boseman was shown very well, may he Rest In Peace. 🖤
You lying lmfao wasn't nothing to cry about after the 1st 10 mins lmfao
lmaoo u were crying? no wonder why the dumbass behind me kept sniffling
Stop lying
Same it was a beautiful tribute 🖤✊🏽
I think I'll be crying when I see it, too. Don't know why people are posting mean comments to your post.
The opening credits with Boseman. That was nicely done. Someone cut some onions in the theater then i swear.
The beautiful moment of seeing this film in person was during that moment of silence during the opening credits, then again at the end. The theatre was dead silent, no coughs or clearing throats just dead silence, and it was just an amazing moment to experience.
Your breakdown really makes me appreciate the movie more. Wakanda Forever is indeed a beautiful and powerful movie and it's not just a movie for me but a memorial to Chadwick Boseman passing.
Truly! Done so well in all aspects!
On the Marvel in the beginning half of the screen is purple, but the bottom half is dark blue. Dark Blue is the color of Colon Cancer awareness. Not sure if that was a connection and a nod to Chadwick or if I’m just reaching. This whole production was a masterpiece. I hope Chadwick is looking down on us smiling.
thank you for mentioning the association
and may we find more cures for these devastating illnesses
When Ramonda and Shuri are at the beach, Ramonda references finding t'challa presence after searching for a long time, meaning she found her grandson.
It amazes me how this channel has leveled up. I just watched Jessica Clemons and MT's breakdown videos and now Eric's and I just gotta say, major kudos to all of yall who've been consistently killing it and finding that groove.
This film ends the phase 4 in a beautiful way. Everyone was phenomenal. I surely can't wait for a Namor film and Okoye's character arc in Midnight Angel.
Doesn't it?! Beautiful conclusion to a phase with a main theme of grief. Can't wait to head into Phase 5!
Thank you Ryan Coogler for giving us this great piece of art. If this movie doesn't win multiple awards then no MCU movie will. You can feel that this cats put everything into this performance.
1 problem tho.. it’s filled with women and a lesbian 😢
@@heynope4304 wait... so did u mean that the Award always considering cast gender and sexuality irl?
not for the performance of the movie and everything in the movie ?
Coogler is the best director marvel has
@@heynope4304 what’s the problem? I saw men and they held their own.
Cats?
it still blows my mind beyond belief that chadwick boseman fought and filmed all of his movies while fighting cancer and literally nobody knew. that shit was a punch to the heart in every sense, what a true warrior
angela bassett did the damn thing in this movie and also had me bawling when that twist happened. also shouts out to my cousin joe robert cole who co-wrote this with ryan, joey and ryan did a great job portraying grief.
props! loved everything about the movie
I loved how when Namor cuts through the ships they slice but never explode because the ship is indestructible
This was actually one of my favorite parts of this movie, things just didn’t explode ridiculously
Right? I'm so used to planes, jets etc exploding. It was kinda weird but good attention to detail.
True!
How can something be indestructible but “sliced through” and damaged
🤦🏽♂️
@@d00ks Vibranium vs vibranium 🥱
I also like the detail of the ancestral plane for shuri starting in water because the plants from the bracelet was a water version of the heart shaped herb
Namor was my favourite part of the movie, he was such an interesting character I can't wait to see more of him. Also makes me sad about how good Gorr could have been in another directors hands.
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that marvel studios title card was such a punch to the gut. the silence of it all was so LOUD
I think when Namor says that last line when the surface people will come for Wakanda and turn to Talocan, he was talking about Val and US which is being controlled by Skrulls. So i think i wont be surprised if Wakanda will be part of Secret Invasion.
Probably Ground Zero.
Basically guaranteed
Just might be because the skulls do try to invade Wakanda in the comics. Surely, they all die but they died trying to invade Wakanda. Wakanda Forever!!!!✊🏽
The silent montage of Chadwick Boseman at the end had me 😭😭
The hand gesture that Namor and his ppl use was actually derived from ancient mesoamerican hieroglyphics.
I didn't know that, I thought it was simulating a shark's mouth
wow! I was wondering about that...
Si no me equivoco, el gesto de la mano representa el Sol.
I thought it symbolizes the mouth of a Serpent since Namor is also called Kukulkan which means Serpent God
Looking like a Kamehameha to me lol
From story, to screenplay, from direction to acting, from character development to casting. This movie had it all. I simply loved it. Though I was worried about this movie after watching the sad joke of love n thunder but the dedication of this movie's team shows in the final product.
Brillant cinematography, acting that looked like the cast wasn't acting at all, great villian even better storyline. Angela Bassett should earn some hardware for this!
Ever since The Eternals I have theorized that the Vibranium meteorite was the celestial seed that didn't mature enough to hatch, if true this movie would suggest that there were multiple failed attempts at hatching a celestial in the earth.
So, would that make vibranium like alien STEM cells?
🤔🤔, that would be wild asf.....and I love it
@Legend's Warble could explain how Vibranium can do basically anything, just like how stem cells can be turned into any other kind of cells, vibranium can have healing properties, enable communications, grow plants with magical properties, etc...
The Eternals was another Marvel misstep.
@@toddevery2128 no it was not
I think the area Nakia dove into to find Shuri is the same place the old Talocanian priest dove to find that vibranium infused plant. There’s just more overgrowth and it looks worn down but I’m pretty sure it’s the same place.
yes! Both look like the same cenote to me
I’ve watched it 3 times now. Yes same place
Yes you can see the pyramid is the same too
You missed the small detail that Attuma sends over the water grenade with his hip, during the bridge battle, just like the real world mayan ball sport (which they DO play in Talokan!).
I was an amazing detail.
9:27 plus, a song sung for a dead elephant is used as a leitmotif in “Wakanda” and “A King’s Sunset.”
24:37 The hand gesture by Namor is a hand gesture that you can see in murals and writings from the Mixtec civilization from Mexico.
26:50 Tenoch Huerta said in an interview he got that phrose from an indigenous leader that he had talked to before (not sure if during making the movie or way before he even knew about the movie) and that phrase got stuck in his brain. So he thought it would be perfect to say in the movie.
Namor was thought out, very ambitious, i wonder how much about mutants he knows because he knows he is one, and he’s diabolically protective, very well executed Mr. Coogler🔥🍟
And does he know about the Eternals, Deviants, Exodus, Apocalypse, Rama-Tut…🧐
Yer he was!! An absolutely worthy villain indeed, can't wiat for what's next with this character. Props to Coogler for making not one, but TWO worthy villains of the MCU!
I loved how the world comes together to have a moment of peace for Chadwick in the opening Marvel credits. Thank you Marvel!
I also love how in contrast to some films in phase 4 it has a solid consistent tone. Comedy is nicely placed. And its overall serious. I love it
Can we just take a minute to appreciate new rockstars? They’ve consistently been the top dog in making marvel content since the beginning of phase 4. Respect.
What an emotional roller-coaster ride of a movie! Just when I thought I had recovered, it hits me with a sucker punch! My tears rolled freely and I was not ashamed... Chadwick Boseman, wherever you are, thank you and may you find peace, everlasting.
Just got done watching it..wow..what a great adventurous film.. everyone involved did a great job. What a great tribute to Chadwick… definitely a masterpiece !
I can't believe nobody's talking about it, but when Shuri said "vengeance has consumes us for too long, I will not let it consume me any longer", I LOST IT 😢
Am I the only one?
You’re not the only friend I’ve been looking for someone else! I’ve come to the right place
That was an incredibly deep statement. I thought I was the only one who caught that. Good to know that's not the case.
I kept thinking of T'Challa's line to Zemo in Civil War. Loved it
I think that moment went undetected because we just saw Namor who we thought was down and out stab Shuri in the stomach with that spear, so we were still on the edge of our seats expecting to see if Namor had one last trick up his sleeve.
definitely not the only one! It was such an amazing callback.
The vibe in the theater was wild! Cheers, cries, laughter. The storyline is carried out gracefuly post Boseman's death, he would be proud
This is imo one of the best if not THE best Marvel Studios movie when it comes to acting!!
Letitia and Tenoch really knocked it out of the field with their roles ñ! Angela Bassett, Danai Gurira and Lupita also bring their A game.
Loved the movie!!
I love how they did Riri’s character. A more grounded character than Iron Man and saying what the audience would say.
It really was a great movie that had to overcome a impossible scenario
Perfectly Said 💯💪🙌
I cried the first five minutes. God, mere words could can describe how beautiful this was.
Something about namor is so boyish and kind to me. Like giving shuri his moms bracelet is like behind niceties. His character was so developed. Maybe too developed as the movie was extremely long for me but certainly enjoyable.
I thought it was going to end with an consolidation of powers by the rulers of Wakanda and Talokan setting aside grudges and creating a tenuous alliance by dating/marriage which can still happen (I guess)
This movie deserves every award
Yup I think Angela should get an Oscar nomination too
Honestly one of my favourite marvel movies, from the storytelling to the action it was so close to perfect. The action Rivaled that of even infinity war and endgame, and the emotion rivaling that of again infinity war and endgame but also no way home
I absolutely loved them making the marvel logo full of Chadwick, they did an amazing job throughout the entire film honoring him, start to finish
I saw it tonight with my family. What an amazing movie. I cried mutiple times. A very touching film that was a great tribute to Chadwick Boseman and how we, as human beings, fight grief....especially the grief of the ones close to us. It definitely closes phase 4. Introducing Talokan was awesome. Also....Quantumanium was a preview and I'm excited to see that!
By the way, shuri stab at the end was very similar to kilmongers at the end of the first movie.
Shuri's suit has the same brightness as killmonger. They are parallels
the final close-up scene to Shuri at the beach reminded me a lot that close-up sad Tony Stark's scene in Titan after everyone dissapeared from the snap.
26:45 "this is just grief" and the context around that is such a beautiful & simple way to make such a profound & helpful point for people in similar situations, even if that's just me - well said Ryan
Angela invokes a mature Ororo Munroe persona in this movie - beautiful, charismatic and powerful.
Yesssssssss ❤
That Okoye and Dora Milage fight scene at the beginning of the film was so clean