High Elves - Faction Focus - Rules, Roster & More - Warhammer The Old World - Warhammer Fantasy
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- Опубліковано 25 лип 2024
- High Elves are a popular army in Warhammer and they were VERY strong in Warhammer Fantasy and it seems that will be no different in Warhammer The OLD WORLD. Lots of nice changes so let's discuss the High Elf faction :)
High Elves - Faction Focus - Rules, Roster & More - Warhammer The Old World - Warhammer Fantasy
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Last faction focus but not the last Old World video :)
Id argue that atleast from my point of view. Most people play their armies from an overall mood and aesthetic. People like elves just because theyre elves the rules are just a convenience. What attracted me to dark elves was i loved the art works and design, they just have a badarse presence.
I love both of those variants of elves
That’s not my experience. Book strength and new releases used to dictate popularity.
I tried for ages to bring my Orcs and Gobs to events and had to change to Skaven because it was too unbalanced. Thankfully I’ve had some time with them in 9th age. Looking forward to trying out all these factions!
One of my most prized miniatures is a Handmaiden of the Everqueen. To make her a general so I can have hordes of Sisters of Avelorn sounds really good!
Now if they'd give us rules for the unit of Maidens.
"Seaguard have always been a staple, since they were introduced"... no they were not, so much so that we got an army themed on them in 6th edition Storm of Chaos (with a really super OP rule... shoot everything before the game starts!) to make them more appealing...
Yeah, seaguard where never used, I don think he played back then lol
They were always the jack of all trades, master of none. I loved them but their cost made them very inefficient units to purchase.
They were super popular in 7th and 8th
My axe thirsts. Grudges will be settled!
I'm guessing that the Arcane Journal for the High Elves will feature a revamped version of the old Sea Patrol list and then a sort of "Elven Emissaries"/"Elven Expedition" army that allows for a lot more allies. The other option would be a Yvresse "Mistwalker" list inspired by Total War Warhammer 2, but I think this is still before Grom's invasion so we probably wouldn't see that.
It's long before Grom's invasion, IIRC. That said, that being so means Yvresse is likely to be in a better shape. Rangers are implied to have been pretty much wiped out in Grom's invasion, for instance, so if and when High Elves get new models, I can see that including Rangers.
Personally, I'd also like to see them make a Cothique unit so each of the kingdoms has its own special unit.
4 Bolt thrower army is back in action let's goo
I am looking forward to this actually. There are some stuff I miss but I am so far satisfied with what we see. I am excited about the idea of creating a Caledor theme army since I use Caedor as my aesthetic.
As for why I like high elves, well they are elves. They have dragons. And there are a lot of other reasons.
Great video!
Oooh im totally making a Lothern detachment to go with my Bretonnians of Bordeleaux
Yes! I've been waiting for this!
High elfs have some really cool stuff this edition
Sure magic has been nerfed in terms of damage output but the levels of utility you get out of some of the lore (particularly high magic) is super useful... and your mages even get to re-roll a single casting attempt per turn as well
Sea guard work amazingly with how the new rules work as they get initiative 6 when charged from the front (4base + 1elf reflex +1 spear) so you can even strike first when charged
They also can stand and shoot from any range (that count towards combat res now btw) and get to reform afterwards as well so you string them out to get max shots and then block up to get rank bonuses
Aaaaand Swordmasters are actually insane this edition, with no step up they can strike first against any ini3 unit charging them with a s5 ap2 psudo killing blow attack... all for 14 points
Also you can get a T6 9W prince on star dragon with a 2+ save 5+ ward and 5+ regen... so basically unkillable
Please we got the favorite honors we need a light cavalry honor for Ellyrion, a cheriot one for Tyranoc, the islands of the dead, and the colonies. Eltharion still has his region to do. And we know we can just dig more into those honors that are already in book.
The host of Nargarythe shall rise again! Down with the Druchii!
Love the options and the special rules look sick, but I think we'd have more magic in our lore than most of the factions. Only three spells while some armies have 4 is just kinda weird to me I guess. Fantastic video though and really appreciate your insight.
In a way, the magic system might actually be a better representation of how elves use magic than the eight lores. Elves had no barrier to learning multiple winds (High Magic requires it, in fact), so it's probably more likely that any given Mage is going to have a set of spells drawing from multiple winds that are optimised for a specific purpose than sticking to one wind. Wizards being limited to a specific wind was something that was primarily implemented to make it safer for humans to use magic.
Striking last with two handed weapons was already just silly, considering that two handers are often more agile and quick to use than single handed weapons.
Hopefully they update the Spear Elf models.
Is there any information about what kind of terrain there might be?
Not one druchii on nagarythe!
Let's go! YES
I still have my army from 8th : )
High Elf armies offering more opportunity for regional flavour than the Empire makes sense, since regional units have always been a significant part of the High Elf list (from 4E on, anyway). The Empire's regional flavour, by contrast, was mostly confined to the fluff and didn't really make it into the army books. One could certainly hope for that to change over time, especially with the game set at a time when the Empire was much more divided, but at the moment both armies seem to be pretty straight updates of what existed before.
I may have to make a saphery army. I'm a sucker for turning generals that don't usually have magic into magic users. I mean in AOS my general is always a wizard wightking that I cast endless spells with.
Do the honours stack wiith magical gear?
Not gonna play the old world or buy the miniatures but these thigns bring up good memories.
Dragon Armour gives 6+ ward save. Is that on top of a normal armour save? If so, does it count as light, heavy or full plate?
I think it works as a special rule, so you buy it separately to any armour you fancy.
@@timmybaldock7724 yah if you look at the Caledor honour you'll see you get full plate armour plus the dragon armour rule. So its no longer equipment but a special rule.
Yea I am torn....I am either going to play tomb kings but paint them like vampire counts....or play high elves but paint them like dark elves...
a 6 up ward save is 6+. Never seen someone write it as +6. +6 looks like its a modifier to a roll. Its plus 6 to something. Like the lion cloak is +1 to the armor save. So your your 4+ armor save becomes 3+....because it got +1
The Everqueen and her Maiden Guard are missing, that would be good for the Arcane Journal
Maybe. But during this time I don’t think the everqueen ever really took to the field.
@@Nubloot Good to know. I was just looking at what is on my shelf that has rules. Probably going to use my Maiden Guard champion as a Handmaiden, Maiden Guard as Sisters of Avelorn, and the Everqueen as just a Mage.
Everqueen will be killed by assasin in less than 30 years, after that will be Alarielle as new queen. It is covered in Tyrion and Teclis trilogy with ending at Finuval plane battle about 230x (dont remeber exact date).
I think the old Maiden Guard has been made into the Handmaidens now - there were always only supposed to be about a hundred of them, so making them characters makes sense for such an exclusive group. While Sisters represent a more "rank and file" Avelorn unit.
No special characters until the Arcane Journal.
Lovely overview of the high elves. A superfluous nitpick though. It's pronounced 'Krace' like in christmas or chronic not 'Thrace' or even 'Tj'race' like champion as some people do.
Fun fact the reason why I called it Ch-race is cos the dev I spoke to at Warhammer Fest called it that :)
@@TheGreatBookofGrudges Ah okay. Sounded like you were pronouncing it like 'shrace'. I'm pretty sure it's with a hard 'k' sound. A lot of the elven names are based on greek and etymologically speaking that would mean the hard 'k'. Come to think of it, I struggle to name a single word beginning with 'chr' that doesn't sound like 'kr' like in chrome or Chris. I also pronounce 'arch' like ark. To me an 'arch' with the 'tj' sound is a type of structure. Oh well maybe it's just me being overly pedantic. I thoroughly enjoyed your faction breakdown. Thanks!
Cool review! Would using Lumineth Realm Lords models be appropriate at all levels of play? Assuming they had some conversions and proper basing so they weren't confusing of course. Not familiar with GW's modeling policies for this game.
I've never seen the Lumineth models in-person (I'm a salty sort who abandoned GW after they killed Fantasy) - but so long as they can rank up properly, I'd be fine with it?
FINALLY❤
There will be cool new models if they made them this good.
I want to get into the Tabletop but........ I sadly don't have the Patience and soon, not the time to be painting the miniatures for said warhammer tabletop
Trusted Bretonnian allies. Tempting to start an army of High Elves based on the rules, they seem very strong.
Yey!
Give us our throne back .
It"s like "one model of lion chariot" or one unit? If so - how much can be in unit?
1 unit is 1 model in case of lion chariots. Tiranoc chariots can be 1-4 per unit.
@@piotrgrochowski483 thank you!
Elves FTW
Saving the best for last?
Whats naval discipline do ?
S&S then reform
What they could do on 8E with the character with them.
So griffins and great eagles are no longer available as mounts?
Wasn't mentioned but neither was horses as mounts so it might just be an oversight.
Griffins for sure are mount options, that's the only way to get them. I haven't seen a good screen cap of the eagles so not sure on those
@@Crushanator1 so Mount options, just not dictated by those backgrounds?
@@jamesd5842 Yeah I believe so. As long as a background doesn't say you can't be mounted, they can be taken by any.
Griffins and Great eagle can still be mounts
Eagles got a bit more expensive but also got a bit of a buff.
So Phoenix Guard fight in 2 ranks if they charge, and otherwise in 3 ranks? How about spearmen, how does that work? Oh and how many ranks of archers can shoot?
Oh never mind I think I misunderstood martial prowess :). Still curious about archers.
Been playing HEs for decades now. None of these 0-1 per x points are in anyway a restriction worth worrying about it you want to make a decent all comers army lol.
Almost wonder why they even bothered
GW wants to make Old World into another Esport game so they're adding restrictions to make the armies 'balanced', even though in Fantasy you didn't tend to have the issue of spamming the strongest stuff like in 40K.
Cons would be that there are more expensive or am I wrong ? Just imagine the elite of the elite having the same amount of units like the Empire(
You hit the nail on the head, you can get 3+ empire trops for 1 swordmaster, and close to 2 empire spearmen for 1 HE before
More expensive is part of the fragility thing. Individual elves, at least when it comes to characters, are not really any less durable than their human counterparts, but when there are significantly less of them the losses hurt more. Human armies don't have "frailty" as a downside not because they're individually tougher, but because they're more likely to have the extra bodies to absorb losses.
Custom - ise- ability
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Great, no more BS HE rules, toned down but appropriate
Thank you for getting me more motivated to pull my elves out of their bin :)
I would hate myself if i would have thrown away all my stuff back in the days xD
@@BlitzDonut right? I got back in the hobby cuz I found a box from the mid 00s, glad more armies are viable again in a system
I wonder what new stuff they will add to HElves...or DElves too. Especially to DElves since they could use something really fun (*COUGH* MAGMA DRAGONS *COUGH* *COUGH* DAWI-ZHARR COULD USE THEM TOO *COUGH*).
No Dark Elves or Vampire Counts??
Vampire coubts didnt existed in 8th ?
They'll have downloadable PDF's in time. Along with Skaven, Lizardmen et cetera.
GW is playing it safe for the moment by not reintroducing the full Warhammer Fantasy range.
Hopefully, once they see how popular Old World is, they'll bring everything back.
Legacy only (for now)
Isn't the timeline before the vampire wars?