Beastmen? No BESTMEN! They finally can do stuff :) P.S forgot to write down Chaos Ogres in the "new" units section sorry but same conversation as all others :)
So happy to see Dragon Ogres, Chaos Ogres and Trolls return to the Beastmen - a welcome surprise indeed! This army looks to be awesome for all kinds of creepy and gross conversions - while also PLAYING well on the table. Curious to see what cool things people come up with when even adding allies on top. A real converters dream! P.S.: Isn't it funny, how little it took to make Beastmen into an interesting and properly playable faction (compared to 7th)? Good it finally happens, sad it has taken so long.
In 6e Dragon ogres were a beast of chaos unit, and if your general was a Doombull the minotaurs just straight up became core units, which might have been a bit excessive, but I'm glad they're keeping some of the flavour around still. Would have been cool with pestigors etc. But oh well.
Whats neat is that Minotaurs went from unit size 3+ to 2+ Meaning if you buy a box of plastic ones you can just play one of them as a Doombull and still legally field the two left over ones. No expensive character model purchase required.
I assume GW is holding some stuff back on purpose. I fully expect God-Gors to return, but GW can't produce everything at once anyway - so probably part of the Arcane Journal in some form.
Aww man, these look awesome! So happy to see them get some of their roster back that got pruned from them when GW was mad about the amount of overlap between the three chaos factions.
What immediately stuck out to me in the units summary; centigors finally got a character analogue in the Centigor Chieftain, which is the first time we've seen something like that since Chaos Centaur Heroes were a thing back in 3rd edition. Cockatrices return after having been removed in later editions - I think their last appearance was as a generic monster accessible via the Storm of Magic rules in 8e. And I might be wrong, but didn't they remove harpies from the Chaos army during the Beastmen codexes era?
The roster is the same as in 6th edition with the Beast of Chaos armybook. Just one edition later in 7th they took Chaos Ogres, Chaos Trolls, Dragon Orgres etc out and smooshed them into the Chaos Warriors Army Book.
Correction you get the Quickening if you suffer hits from Storm's Call not Wounds. So if the Dragon Ogre's Pass their saves they won't be hurt, but still get the Quickening.
What jazzes me up the most is that I can have my goats, trolls, ogres, and I can ally in warriors for that true Undivided feel. It's chaos as it's supposed to be again!
They were taken out to put them in the Warriors of Chaos book. The Cygor and such were added to Beastmen to "replace" their absence. They didn't even have models for YEARS.
None of the Forgeworld models have rules currently. Presumably/hopefully they come later, perhaps downloadable. Maybe even alongside miniature rereleases.
Do I have the right to change my beastmen minis to be nurgled marked for example even without the rule for mono god marks? I wanted to have a stylized beastmen of nurgle army that I would kitbash with greenstuff to look like the whole army has been mutated by nurgle.
It would be very cool if they let these rules make the campaign more unique. Like the rare stuff not easy to get and let the army be with more variety of units and more tactical. For my personal preference the armies are a bit little then full stucks and so the strategies are different per type of army used ext.
They did Beastmen pretty well in AoS so good to see they’re not doing some idiotic thing like revert them back to being garbage just because that’s how they were before in “tHe GoOd OlD dAyS!”
My thoughts exactly. The first AoS 2 BoC book was ok, but got extremely quickly power crept, and suffered from some absurd internal issues. The current book, while having lot of overcosted (points wise) stuff, has actual synergies, buff, debuff and tech pieces that make the army hard to master but very rewarding to play when things work out. Sadly Shaggoth still has the crappy old model and meh rules. But otherwise very glad to see them not reseting to 7th edition shitbook. I still remember how sad I was when all the "cool kids armies" got their hardcover updates with new toys and rules while Beastmen, Skaven and Bretonia were left in the dirt.
the way you worded "Primal fury: ld tests reroll nat 1", you made it sound as a boon, but if ld tests benefit from low-rolling re-rolling ones, will make you fail more. It is my impression that ld tests you still have to roll under or am I mistaken?
@@serkansavas7950 Wait yes, no I understand now: "it's a ld test for rerolling nat 1" and not as I interpreted it "reroll nat 1 for ld tests" thank you for clearing it up. One tiny step closer to enlightenment.
I'm a bit worried about Dwarfs. Cannons are "nerfed", and they have poor movement in a movement heavy game. I want to do melee dwarfs, but am worried it won't be viable.
Quarrelers and handgunners seems dope, general high T and save will generally help the faction a lot due to the low ap of most armies. Dwarfs lords seems to be top contenders with Chaos lords and (probably) Vampires as killiest characters. On paper at least😅
It’s one guy with a channel that provides info/chat about he’s interests. He’s not a journalist or paid by GW. Linking him to decisions made by GW to yr obvious view of how the game has been released is pretty low. How about contacting an actual decision maker at GW.
Beastmen? No BESTMEN! They finally can do stuff :)
P.S forgot to write down Chaos Ogres in the "new" units section sorry but same conversation as all others :)
Are the chaos ogre able to have heavy armour as before? I've have a couple converted Iron guts I used as MoK
Ogers in the before times
So happy to see Dragon Ogres, Chaos Ogres and Trolls return to the Beastmen - a welcome surprise indeed! This army looks to be awesome for all kinds of creepy and gross conversions - while also PLAYING well on the table. Curious to see what cool things people come up with when even adding allies on top. A real converters dream!
P.S.: Isn't it funny, how little it took to make Beastmen into an interesting and properly playable faction (compared to 7th)? Good it finally happens, sad it has taken so long.
Dragon ogres, shaggoths and trolls are not *new* for beastmen. They've simply brought them back from 5th.
In 6e Dragon ogres were a beast of chaos unit, and if your general was a Doombull the minotaurs just straight up became core units, which might have been a bit excessive, but I'm glad they're keeping some of the flavour around still. Would have been cool with pestigors etc. But oh well.
I imagine that could be an army of infamy?
Whats neat is that Minotaurs went from unit size 3+ to 2+
Meaning if you buy a box of plastic ones you can just play one of them as a Doombull and still legally field the two left over ones. No expensive character model purchase required.
I assume GW is holding some stuff back on purpose. I fully expect God-Gors to return, but GW can't produce everything at once anyway - so probably part of the Arcane Journal in some form.
Yeah it seems that any unique units and named will all go the route of the arcane Journals.
Aww man, these look awesome! So happy to see them get some of their roster back that got pruned from them when GW was mad about the amount of overlap between the three chaos factions.
What immediately stuck out to me in the units summary; centigors finally got a character analogue in the Centigor Chieftain, which is the first time we've seen something like that since Chaos Centaur Heroes were a thing back in 3rd edition. Cockatrices return after having been removed in later editions - I think their last appearance was as a generic monster accessible via the Storm of Magic rules in 8e. And I might be wrong, but didn't they remove harpies from the Chaos army during the Beastmen codexes era?
Harpies were in the 7th Edition book, but not the 6th.
Running a Centigor Chieftain with a unit of Centigors is really going to give some real punch to that unit
@@tyranitararmaldoThanks, the 6e book was the anomaly, then, as harpies had been a Chaos unit in the previes editions.
There were chaos centaur heroes in 4th ed as well 😅
The roster is the same as in 6th edition with the Beast of Chaos armybook. Just one edition later in 7th they took Chaos Ogres, Chaos Trolls, Dragon Orgres etc out and smooshed them into the Chaos Warriors Army Book.
was about to write the same
I wrote the same. I didn’t read your comment to like it. But here I am giving it attention lol
Yeah Beasts were really gutted in 7th - and then never got ANY attention in 8th.
Correction you get the Quickening if you suffer hits from Storm's Call not Wounds. So if the Dragon Ogre's Pass their saves they won't be hurt, but still get the Quickening.
Of course I remember Dragon Ogres and Shaggoth's being in the Beastmen Codex.
Perfect! This is the army I plan to playing in the Old World. New Army, New Game, and I can't wait to see how they perform!
What jazzes me up the most is that I can have my goats, trolls, ogres, and I can ally in warriors for that true Undivided feel. It's chaos as it's supposed to be again!
Waiting for the Arcane Journal update... Kholek Suneater model with a dragon ogre army in tow, maybe? Just in time for the Seige of Pragg.
Kholek would be with warriors of chaos.
Dragon ogers and spawn were part of beastman for a long time till endtimes. They were taken out because of the big cygors and other monsters.
They were taken out to put them in the Warriors of Chaos book. The Cygor and such were added to Beastmen to "replace" their absence. They didn't even have models for YEARS.
You have been doing awesome providing us faction insights before the release of old world! Thanks for working so hard!
Beastmen have Dragon Ogres again? And some extras too?
Sweet.
They finally gave the Beastmen back their Dragon ogres.
"From the Chaos Warrior roster" cries in 6E 😭
Btw, Dragon Ogres and Shaggith were beastmen in 6th edition. So the warriors stole them to begin with!
I know but I'm using 8th as the basis as its the last edition :)
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I really hope they limit the marks to the Mark of Chaos Undivided for he Beastmen so they don't steal the sort of main WoC mechanic outright.
I’m hoping to get an actual model for the Warhoof since he’s ancient and should be in the time period.
I think they will re-release the Ghorros Warhoof model as a Centigor Chieftain.
I would be so hyped for those!
When I played fantasy dragon ogres and trolls were always part of the Beastmen roster.
Then you didn't play after 6th edition I assume😊
Love the roster 👍 I only wished that we could have got the chimera but any way it’s still very good 💪
Going for the secret cow level with your army list?
Would've liked to have seen chimeras in the rare section, but otherwise I'm happy with what I've seen.
So it's the 6th roster? Cool
A superb addition would've been the Preyton as it appears in WAP
None of the Forgeworld models have rules currently. Presumably/hopefully they come later, perhaps downloadable. Maybe even alongside miniature rereleases.
@DerOrk it's a pipe dream, but what a beautiful dream it is. Be cool to have the Arcane Journals used for this purpose.
God touched minotaurs would be dope af too
Reply here if you plan to use harpies or a cockatrice, and then tell us how bad it feels not to be getting support for your dark elf army.
Do I have the right to change my beastmen minis to be nurgled marked for example even without the rule for mono god marks? I wanted to have a stylized beastmen of nurgle army that I would kitbash with greenstuff to look like the whole army has been mutated by nurgle.
Wait, did Beastmen previously have Centigor Chieftains?
They had centaur characters in 3rd and 4th ed
@@jacobbjelgart1900 Ah, cool, but likely not used in the more recent ones. That seems like it could have been counted as a new thing.
You can get khorngors from bloodbowl.
Don't go full cow, you never go full cow
Also, Moo. Mooooo, moo, moo!
Go Beastmen! 🐂
Can anyone tell me how chariots work in TOW? Beastmen have core chariots, I'd love to know what their rules and play are like.
It would be very cool if they let these rules make the campaign more unique. Like the rare stuff not easy to get and let the army be with more variety of units and more tactical. For my personal preference the armies are a bit little then full stucks and so the strategies are different per type of army used ext.
They did Beastmen pretty well in AoS so good to see they’re not doing some idiotic thing like revert them back to being garbage just because that’s how they were before in “tHe GoOd OlD dAyS!”
My thoughts exactly. The first AoS 2 BoC book was ok, but got extremely quickly power crept, and suffered from some absurd internal issues. The current book, while having lot of overcosted (points wise) stuff, has actual synergies, buff, debuff and tech pieces that make the army hard to master but very rewarding to play when things work out. Sadly Shaggoth still has the crappy old model and meh rules. But otherwise very glad to see them not reseting to 7th edition shitbook. I still remember how sad I was when all the "cool kids armies" got their hardcover updates with new toys and rules while Beastmen, Skaven and Bretonia were left in the dirt.
Best army 💀
Beast army 😎
Brayherd!
the way you worded "Primal fury: ld tests reroll nat 1", you made it sound as a boon, but if ld tests benefit from low-rolling re-rolling ones, will make you fail more. It is my impression that ld tests you still have to roll under or am I mistaken?
Isn’t primal fury reroll 1,s when rolling to hit?
@@serkansavas7950 You might very well be right, I'm just here (like the rest of us) trying to make sense in a trail of incomplete information :)
@@serkansavas7950 Wait yes, no I understand now: "it's a ld test for rerolling nat 1" and not as I interpreted it "reroll nat 1 for ld tests" thank you for clearing it up. One tiny step closer to enlightenment.
I weep for Kislev
GOATed faction tbh
En-sor-celled. ;)
Right. Enscrolled.
Wait weren't Dragon ogrers, Shaggoths and Trolls not part of the Beastmen? In my army book they were at least part of the army...
When Orcs? Humies need krumpin'!
are dwarfs going to be last ?
I'm a bit worried about Dwarfs. Cannons are "nerfed", and they have poor movement in a movement heavy game. I want to do melee dwarfs, but am worried it won't be viable.
Quarrelers and handgunners seems dope, general high T and save will generally help the faction a lot due to the low ap of most armies. Dwarfs lords seems to be top contenders with Chaos lords and (probably) Vampires as killiest characters. On paper at least😅
I don't see Tzaangors . . . No Tzaangor shaman, skyfires, or enlightened. . .. no Thomatorg or Vortex beast. . . No spined beast or giant spawn
Aww no Preyton or Fimirs
So much ❤
No ambush rules ?
USR on gors, ungors and I think centigors. Beastman Chieftans get a Bray horn that allows ambushes to reroll.
One gor and one ungor units per 1k points are allowed to ambush. Gors and ungors are also allowed to skirmish if you choose to.
Feels week compared to anything else.
I believe that all 'good side' factions are insanely good, and those that are evil kinda sucks.
You sound like you only played 8th edition..
Brayherd!
It’s one guy with a channel that provides info/chat about he’s interests. He’s not a journalist or paid by GW.
Linking him to decisions made by GW to yr obvious view of how the game has been released is pretty low. How about contacting an actual decision maker at GW.
As an AoS warherd fan, it pains me to see you are forced to include a random unit of basic gors to the minotaur army :(
You can show us the pages from the rulebook. Don't be scared, homie.
Orcs.. 😢😢
Goats and cows get their turn first.
@@jackrogers5712 damm 😞, when will be the pigs turn 😶
As long as Cannon's are a bit cheaper, won't be too bad