It is funny, I made the realization yesterday how few units Bretonnia has to their army options compared to other armies. They only have 15, compared to the Empire with 20. I think it would have been smarter to call the Knights of the Realm on Foot, Knights on Foot so that with their updated look and extra bits you could decorate them to be Questing Knights or Grail Knights on Foot instead of just Knights of the Realm on Foot. They could just then give the stat blocks with the correct Vows and the +X cost to upgrade them. I have a few ideas for new units... Avatar of the Lake: Giant Water Elemental, Behemoth unit with water grasses and water lilies floating about its form and glowing with the divine purpose of the Lady. It would have the Blessing of the Lady (Always On), Hatred, Immune to Psychology, Large Target, Magical Attacks, Regeneration, Stomp Attacks & Terror Special Rules. It would have a Special Rule that requires you to have a Handmaiden of the Lady in your army like how the Grail Reliquae needs a Grail Knight. We lack a multi-wound unit and do not have a behemoth unit. Bretonnia for a fantastical realm feels very mundane with just Knights and Peasants. Lost Sons: The sons taken to the Lady's mystical realm by the Fay Enchantress ride into battle atop Kelpies equipped with silvery armor and weapons. They would be a Calvary Unit with the Ambusher, Blessing of the Lady (Always On), Fear, Magical Attacks, Move through Cover & Strike First Special Rules. The Lady would bless her chivalrous knights with aid to change the tide of the war. Ambusher and Move through Cover would represent them springing forth from the fay realm. Battle Pilgrims & Sacrosanct of the Lady: Tabernacle carried by Battle Pilgrims supporting a beautiful statue of the Lady. It glows with candles and incense. It would be similar to a Grail Reliquae but give Aura of the Lady and Frenzy to the unit. This would be the alternate model to the Grail Reliquae and would be the offensive Unstoppable Force of Battle Pilgrims version vs. the normal Immovable Object of Battle Pilgrims.
I would love to see more grail/virtue/vow theming in the army list. Something slightly more high fantasy and holistic. Though I understand they want to avoid crossing over with the empire and their battle priest. But your idea for grail zealots/monks who grant a passive buff each maybe that you can change each turn as you need would be great.
Writinmg a Bretonnia list in a nutshell: Core: knights and exactly one tiny unit of peasants Elite: more knights. this time flying. Special: nasty knights a a stone thrower and all this is led by even more knights
Not a huge roster, but I love brettonia and it’s themes, so more then happy. We got our gaggle of now 6 knight units, 5 peasant units (not counting yeoman guard at the moment) the trebuchet, and our crew of characters. Super glad to see them, can’t wait for the 20th and be able to purchase the parts of the range that are not yet available for pre order.
Cool to see foot nights and the ability to have scout skirmish bowmen now, Havnt checked but i REALLY hope Grail knights are 4T now, that 3T really made them squishy for their points in 8th. Also thought it would have been cool to give Questing knights the ambush rule with limited 3-5 model limit. Would have made an awesome unit
Well that’s good! Makes th em far more viable at T4. As far as I understand, they now have a 3+ armor, as being mounted does not add anything to armor save now. But that’s ok since strength no longer affects armor penetration
Did you notice how in the lore section, the First Crusade bends over backwards to avoid mentioning who the enemy was (Araby, led by Jaffar)? Even the main rulebook is a bit vague about linking Araby to that event, depending on how you read it it's either implied that it was Araby or it was vague "enemies" again.
Brets already have peg knights and grail knights. They don't need a gryph knight and IMHO it doesn't fit the theme of the army. They're too similar to the demigryphs for Empire also. Brets nobles are kinda better humans whereas Empire demigryphs the human is OK but really just along for the ride which is consistent with their theme. Better to keep them more distinct.
I was really disappointed that we didnt get more new sculpts, but I think they just wanted to see if the release was a success before putting in resources towards new sculpts
Same, if TOW is a success as a game line I'm quite confident they will begin re-releasing super old metal stuff like Grail Knights and Questing Knights with new sculpts
@@EvilMagnitudei deffinatly want questing knights with greatswords on the same sculpting level of the AoS knight chevaliers from cities of sigmar, in plastic that would be majestic
While the new AoS sculpts are technically better than the old WFB stuff, I can't say that I like the style. It's just generally too cartoonish. The only exception to this is the new chaos warriors and chosen, those guys are great.
@@musicalcharge while i do agree its a bit over the topp, i don't really see the new freeguild steelhelms as cartonnish, over the topp sure but damn, the faces and general proportians looks quite nice, just gotta make them more grimdark disfigured even though, warhammer fantasy sculpts where a bit cartoonish, specialy the skeletons, thought that might just be ageing
@@oscarandreas1431 heh, I don't love the style of everything in the old range either. It's true that the cavaliers are not the worst offenders. That honor goes to the stormcast derpy dragons.
I will note that getting the Blessing of the Lady without praying is most relevant if you aren't *able* to pray, for example in Bretonnian mirror matches.
As I am old and tend to grumble... I would think that a channel called the "Great Book of Grudges", would have done a focus on the Dwarf Mountain Holds by now. Waiting somewhat patiently...😎🍺
I may try a mad lad idea of entirely foot slogging Bretonnian list just for the giggles. A few nice big groups of bows, a pair of trebuchet, and a few big blocks of Foot Knights with Great Weapons (and shields if you can take both for that 4+ v. Shooting) with foot characters. Maybe some Squires for a bit of skirmishing?
On one hand I got some cool files for Brettonia, on the other hand I still have 15 knights and a hundred Men at Arms to paint for the 100 Kingdoms in Conquest... Maybe new army
So Duke & Paladins - kotr foot & kotr mounted with 1 knight errant - Questing Knights, pegasus knights - Grail Knight would this be an army?? Ive thought about playing fantasy ive only played Kill Team and i love knights
There's not much meat on that roster (and that's taking even the armies of infamy into account). This was the ideal moment to experiment and expand the idea of what Brettonia could even be. Right now this looks like they simply polished up a sixth Ed faction... Such wasted potential
As someone who played through 2 editions of Bretonnia getting literally nothing new I'm not complaining haha. If TOW is a success they'll get more stuff in the future, early days still
There is so much more than there was for 8 years. Peasants, Knights, Lady, Green Knight, Trebuchet, Banners and Bows with fire, pegasus mounts. Everything I need and I love the old sculpts, all the new crap has too much detail for rank and file (put them in a block and shove toward enemy). Single wound models are the best if a spear pierces your armor you die (or are taken out of action). Their head sizes are perfect, peasants weren't big and our heads are big. Also this game can be played like you are a commander shoving troops around and these models aren't alive, so they don't have to be realistic as this isn't grimdark it's fantasy. Can't wait to crash my lance formation into a flank.
@@lonnyrayeI love the rank and file because that’s what makes the game larger and more strategic. It also makes bretts lance playstyle with the hammer and anvil more unique. Even with a small list of units, they deviate from the norm.
Some KNIGHTLY fun today :) wanted to push the faction focus stuff out a tad! :) having so much fun!
It is funny, I made the realization yesterday how few units Bretonnia has to their army options compared to other armies. They only have 15, compared to the Empire with 20. I think it would have been smarter to call the Knights of the Realm on Foot, Knights on Foot so that with their updated look and extra bits you could decorate them to be Questing Knights or Grail Knights on Foot instead of just Knights of the Realm on Foot. They could just then give the stat blocks with the correct Vows and the +X cost to upgrade them.
I have a few ideas for new units...
Avatar of the Lake: Giant Water Elemental, Behemoth unit with water grasses and water lilies floating about its form and glowing with the divine purpose of the Lady. It would have the Blessing of the Lady (Always On), Hatred, Immune to Psychology, Large Target, Magical Attacks, Regeneration, Stomp Attacks & Terror Special Rules. It would have a Special Rule that requires you to have a Handmaiden of the Lady in your army like how the Grail Reliquae needs a Grail Knight. We lack a multi-wound unit and do not have a behemoth unit. Bretonnia for a fantastical realm feels very mundane with just Knights and Peasants.
Lost Sons: The sons taken to the Lady's mystical realm by the Fay Enchantress ride into battle atop Kelpies equipped with silvery armor and weapons. They would be a Calvary Unit with the Ambusher, Blessing of the Lady (Always On), Fear, Magical Attacks, Move through Cover & Strike First Special Rules. The Lady would bless her chivalrous knights with aid to change the tide of the war. Ambusher and Move through Cover would represent them springing forth from the fay realm.
Battle Pilgrims & Sacrosanct of the Lady: Tabernacle carried by Battle Pilgrims supporting a beautiful statue of the Lady. It glows with candles and incense. It would be similar to a Grail Reliquae but give Aura of the Lady and Frenzy to the unit. This would be the alternate model to the Grail Reliquae and would be the offensive Unstoppable Force of Battle Pilgrims version vs. the normal Immovable Object of Battle Pilgrims.
or add grail knights on pegasus or even better on griphons
I would love to see more grail/virtue/vow theming in the army list. Something slightly more high fantasy and holistic. Though I understand they want to avoid crossing over with the empire and their battle priest.
But your idea for grail zealots/monks who grant a passive buff each maybe that you can change each turn as you need would be great.
Writinmg a Bretonnia list in a nutshell:
Core: knights and exactly one tiny unit of peasants
Elite: more knights. this time flying.
Special: nasty knights a a stone thrower
and all this is led by even more knights
And?
Not a huge roster, but I love brettonia and it’s themes, so more then happy.
We got our gaggle of now 6 knight units, 5 peasant units (not counting yeoman guard at the moment) the trebuchet, and our crew of characters. Super glad to see them, can’t wait for the 20th and be able to purchase the parts of the range that are not yet available for pre order.
Cool to see foot nights and the ability to have scout skirmish bowmen now, Havnt checked but i REALLY hope Grail knights are 4T now, that 3T really made them squishy for their points in 8th. Also thought it would have been cool to give Questing knights the ambush rule with limited 3-5 model limit. Would have made an awesome unit
Yep Grail knights are S4 T4. I'm just not clear on the armour saves. Is it 3+ or 2+?
Well that’s good! Makes th em far more viable at T4. As far as I understand, they now have a 3+ armor, as being mounted does not add anything to armor save now. But that’s ok since strength no longer affects armor penetration
@@chrisdavidson2810 So 3+ Armour Save, T4, 6+/5+ Ward Save, and with a Damsel can get a Regen save too! Not too Shabby :)
Did you notice how in the lore section, the First Crusade bends over backwards to avoid mentioning who the enemy was (Araby, led by Jaffar)? Even the main rulebook is a bit vague about linking Araby to that event, depending on how you read it it's either implied that it was Araby or it was vague "enemies" again.
Got to PC now.....
Do one on the High Elves too please!
pegasus knights have two wounds man :)
1W grail knights feels criminal, like, grail knight are supposed to be super human
Bloodknights, Dragon princes, Black orks etc etc.
Every elite guy that is "man sized" and has no special mount has one wound.
Brets already have peg knights and grail knights. They don't need a gryph knight and IMHO it doesn't fit the theme of the army. They're too similar to the demigryphs for Empire also.
Brets nobles are kinda better humans whereas Empire demigryphs the human is OK but really just along for the ride which is consistent with their theme. Better to keep them more distinct.
I want the Lore of Ze Lady in TWW.
I would’ve like to see grail knight variants in rare- mounted, royal Pegasus and foot
There are 3rd party online list builders for the old world, which contains all the rules!
Pro: yay Bretonnia!
Con: $60 for 3 models
Doesn't pegasus knights have multiple wounds?
I was really disappointed that we didnt get more new sculpts, but I think they just wanted to see if the release was a success before putting in resources towards new sculpts
Same, if TOW is a success as a game line I'm quite confident they will begin re-releasing super old metal stuff like Grail Knights and Questing Knights with new sculpts
@@EvilMagnitudei deffinatly want questing knights with greatswords on the same sculpting level of the AoS knight chevaliers from cities of sigmar, in plastic that would be majestic
While the new AoS sculpts are technically better than the old WFB stuff, I can't say that I like the style. It's just generally too cartoonish. The only exception to this is the new chaos warriors and chosen, those guys are great.
@@musicalcharge while i do agree its a bit over the topp, i don't really see the new freeguild steelhelms as cartonnish, over the topp sure but damn, the faces and general proportians looks quite nice, just gotta make them more grimdark disfigured even though, warhammer fantasy sculpts where a bit cartoonish, specialy the skeletons, thought that might just be ageing
@@oscarandreas1431 heh, I don't love the style of everything in the old range either. It's true that the cavaliers are not the worst offenders. That honor goes to the stormcast derpy dragons.
I will note that getting the Blessing of the Lady without praying is most relevant if you aren't *able* to pray, for example in Bretonnian mirror matches.
Pegasus Knights are multiwound at 2 each.
As I am old and tend to grumble... I would think that a channel called the "Great Book of Grudges", would have done a focus on the Dwarf Mountain Holds by now.
Waiting somewhat patiently...😎🍺
Will you do Dwarven Mountain holds?
I may try a mad lad idea of entirely foot slogging Bretonnian list just for the giggles. A few nice big groups of bows, a pair of trebuchet, and a few big blocks of Foot Knights with Great Weapons (and shields if you can take both for that 4+ v. Shooting) with foot characters. Maybe some Squires for a bit of skirmishing?
I am glad to see the foot knights, id have liked some other new units but maybe in an arcane journal
On one hand I got some cool files for Brettonia, on the other hand I still have 15 knights and a hundred Men at Arms to paint for the 100 Kingdoms in Conquest... Maybe new army
Love these :) please do Empire next
Im stoked to have knights on foot. I cant find when they launch anywhere though.
So Duke & Paladins - kotr foot & kotr mounted with 1 knight errant - Questing Knights, pegasus knights - Grail Knight would this be an army?? Ive thought about playing fantasy ive only played Kill Team and i love knights
Misprint for the leadership of the peasant bowmen?
Bretonnia is free in TWW3 !! I hope they will get their new units for free too.
@@coffeelover6977 bretonnia always got their stuff for free in tw
Any confirmation on how lances work??
+2 str +2 armor pen on charge I think
No Grail Reliquary?!
Its an upgrade to the Battle Pilgrims not its own unit
Meanwhile total warhemmer 3 bretonia: what is front line ? What is a well rounded roster?
At least they have Royal Hippogryph Knights, making Brets getting more of that monster cake.
i am sure that squires are not new.
Where is the green knight?!!!
There's not much meat on that roster (and that's taking even the armies of infamy into account).
This was the ideal moment to experiment and expand the idea of what Brettonia could even be. Right now this looks like they simply polished up a sixth Ed faction... Such wasted potential
As someone who played through 2 editions of Bretonnia getting literally nothing new I'm not complaining haha. If TOW is a success they'll get more stuff in the future, early days still
There is so much more than there was for 8 years.
Peasants, Knights, Lady, Green Knight, Trebuchet, Banners and Bows with fire, pegasus mounts. Everything I need and I love the old sculpts, all the new crap has too much detail for rank and file (put them in a block and shove toward enemy).
Single wound models are the best if a spear pierces your armor you die (or are taken out of action). Their head sizes are perfect, peasants weren't big and our heads are big.
Also this game can be played like you are a commander shoving troops around and these models aren't alive, so they don't have to be realistic as this isn't grimdark it's fantasy.
Can't wait to crash my lance formation into a flank.
@@EvilMagnitude Very much true. I'm crossing my fingers that TOW will get continued support
@@lonnyrayeI love the rank and file because that’s what makes the game larger and more strategic. It also makes bretts lance playstyle with the hammer and anvil more unique. Even with a small list of units, they deviate from the norm.
Kind of weird their pushing this game but no new things being shown off at LVO
Army cost will dictate whether this new iteration of warhammer will succeed.
No green knight? OMG
All special characters are covered in Arcane Journals. Green Knight is in there.