Former Toyota Engineer Predicts what the Tundra Recall FIX will be. You might not like it !
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- Опубліковано 14 чер 2024
- In this video we discuss what the recent Tundra engine recall Fix might look like. Also, why exactly does it take so much time to develop a proper solution.
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My heart goes out to all these people who spent 50, 60,000 dollars on a truck that will have no resell value.😢
If Toyota comes up with a fix that works… It will have resale valve. Maybe not as much, but it will have some.
$ 30,000 x 100,000 trucks = $3 billion Toyota is worth $278 billion ,they have to make it right ,I don’t want a flunky putting a short block in my truck ,they should replace the whole engine 👍
I hear you. I think we have to give them some time to make sure every engine needs to be replaced… and IF they put in new engines …. make sure the engines they put in wont have the same problem. We would hate to have to go through this problem twice.
I agree. It's no longer a factory motor. Resale is non existent for the buyers. I'm so sorry, this fix is no good. Give them new truck.
@@Mark-qv4bn A new truck ! lol 😂
30k is what it would cost a customer to replace an engine. When a manufacturer has to replace something, it is always cheaper.
I’m thinking engine would be 1,800.00 labour 1,000.00, roughly $3,000.00 per vehicle.
I'd suggest oil analysis is the only way to determine what's going with the bearings.
That might just happen 🤔
The longer this goes on the more it looks like they have a real chance of losing the fanboys over this.
I don’t think the time this goes on will be as important as getting the fix right the first time. Fanboys have short memories 🤣
I wouldn’t touch one of these time bombs.. I’ll stick to my 2007 4.7 V8. Toyota should be ashamed of themselves for getting rid of a proven workhorse.
Yup the 4.7l is in the Tundra that made it to 1 million miles. I saw it in person lol There’s a 5.7l Tundra out there with 900k. I think we all are gonna miss the v8s 😭
They stopped making the iforce V8 because the biden administration began penalizing auto makers for emission standards to adhere to global warming policy, despite other leading countries shunning them. Dems are to blame for this . Get mad and everyone should Vote GOP in November or shut the hell up with the complaining.
The figure that has been out there for short block replacements is 28K per unit. I'm just guessing but a crate motor might more but crate motor replacements would likely reduce labor costs. I think they should do crate motor replacements.
That would reduce technician error substantially. Most techs in the US today are better at - drop and swaps - When I was a tech at Honda almost all (of the many) warranty transmission repairs were drop and swap.
If the diagnostic shows metal in the engine and they decide to “flush” it out, what about all the premature wear already inflicted by the metal debris? How will they know if an internal part is close to failure due to this without looking at the internals? If they flush and more engine failures come in early that will not be a good look for Toyota and their reputation will be further tarnished. There are small pockets metal debris can hide in an engine that a flush may not reach 100 percent. Do the right thing Toyota and put to rest all those doubts and just replace the engine.
You have a good point. It’s still gonna take time for them to verify that a new production method (that avoids getting metal into the engine) works.
Toyota need to update the warranty on these years 22-24 motors to bring back customer . Or they have lost these Toyota fan boys and girls. That 60-80 thousands dollars trucks will hurt and sting for long time.🐝🐝😖😫
Yeap, I think they will probably extend the warranty. Yes that’s a lot of money… this one is gonna hurt for a while. 💯
Have had several Toyotas and own two now. Wish you all would have focused on the 2-part, expanding/contracting aluminum block that houses the crankshaft, which is mounted flush with the front of the block. The new 2.4 has the same design. With direct injection and turbo charging, it doesn’t seem like the front bearing can handle the load, thereby creating the debris. Manufacturing debris is a bs excuse, which you all didn’t question. What do you two think about a solution of going to a 1 piece engine block with more rigid material and better oil flow?
It could be machine debris or it might not be 🤷♂️ They are trying to figure it out right now. Rather than speculate…. I chose to focus on the fact that a proper solution will take time because the solution will need to go through a verification process.
Also, my theory that there may be some type of test that need to be performed to see if an entire sort or long block needs to be replaced.
Finding the solution here is very important and will take time.
So people should stop rushing them if they want a proper fix. … Now if it turns out the block itself will need to be designed- like you think… that will take a LONG time. I think it’s more likely they will try to either fix the manufacturing process or do a small change on the current block. Depending on whats actually wrong.
Chevy just went through a bunch of their engine blocks cracking on the new canyon and some of the Silverado and GMC’s and they replace all the engines with a brand new one!!! So Toyota man up and do it fucking right!!!!
Why would anyone ever buy this recall nightmare? Could potentially be without a truck for months waiting for it to get fixed. Should have kept the reliable V8 everyone loved! I'm on my 4th Tundra, a 2018 Platinum. It looks like my last one if they keep making the trucks with too many components that could eventually fail. V6 engine, twin turbos, hybrid motor, hybrid battery, and all the components to make it all work. With all the things mentioned above that could potentially fail, it looks like Toyota's Legendary reliability is a thing of the past!
Well… if they had to change something.. I would rather have had a hybrid 5.7l - and a eCVT transmission. eCVT transmissions are bullet proof… and I’ve documented a Rav 4 hybrid with 450k with the original engine trans and hybrid battery.
I am nauseous about the fact that Toyota ditched their 20+ year old engine concepts to follow Ford’s footsteps in turbo trash. We got a 3.5 V6 Highlander back in 2019. The turbo 4 does not have the same smooth and refined ride quality as a V6. New ones are very noisy inside and probably won’t last.
I’m not a fan of turbos unless they’re on a sports car. I’d rather then strap a hybrid battery and eCVT transmission onto all their best naturally aspirated engines.
This isn't caused by debris. There has been a miscalculation when it comes to oil clearance on the mains im betting.
We will see. 🧐 You would think that would have come up during their initial testing if that were an issue though.
@MJ100k machinery setup correctly during R&D and an overlooked miscalculation during mass production.
@@1FiftyOverland That could be it 🤔
Toyota should have followed the same Research & Development route that they used when they developed the first Lexus car back in 1990.
Those cars were the best in the world.
I hear you…I’m sure they’ll figure this issue out though.
@@MJ100k I hope they fix this engine problem cause I wanna buy my wife a new LX600 after this issue gets solved.
@@cma8165 I see… I’m sure they’ll figure it out at some point.
Toyota need to buy back all Tundras and fix them...later sell them slowly.
Interesting plan 🤔🤔
Did they ever inspect the engines that first blew 2 years ago? Sounds like they dismissed those and procrastinated.
I’m sure they did. OEMs have teams of engineering technicians that disassemble and inspect engines and transmissions that fail under warranty. That’s why dealership techs send the engines and transmissions back to the OEM after they replace them under warranty.
I’ve been insisting on oil change every 5k not 10k every other service visit as they recommend. I’ll be curious what they find or I may have an independent diagnosis done.
I stick with 5k oil changes, too, but I don't think the 10k interval will catch up to you until after the factory warranty.
I’m all about more oil changes on my personal 2017 Camry. I’ve started doing 2500 mile drain and fill and 5000 mile full oil change….. But for this Tundra issue… The failures are coming up under warranty.. If it were caused by long oil change intervals they would have found the issue during testing long before the engine came out.
@@MJ100k What is the difference between a drain and fill vs full oil change? I am starting to think that I have never done a full oil change.... The only thing that I can think of is oil filter and checking other fluid levels?
@@williamgallagher25 A drain a fill is just - draining the old oil out and then putting fresh oil in… A full oil change is draining and filling the oil and also installing a new oil filter. I’m sure you’ve had full oil changes… that’s what is most commonly done.
All this conjecture. All this talk. All this "information".
We’ll see what happens… 🧐
@@MJ100k It almost seems obvious there was some sort of "production change experiment" for a term of about 102,000 3.444L V-6 engines.
Given that Toyota has already stated there was a possibility of metal debris in these engine, there is no way to fully determine the damage ramifications of internal components (journal bearings, crankshaft, cam shafts, etc) without completely tearing down each motor and have surfaces mic’ed and bearings inspected. Yes it could be done, but would cost way more than a completely new engine. There isn’t enough good labor and time out there to do it. Toyota needs to bite the bullet and swap out the entire engine to make sure this issue goes away.
We’ll see. 🫣
Toy-yoda* whats Tie-yoda? Lol
Lol
Toyota should do a full buy back.
I wouldn’t count on it 🫣
Why would they do that?
Is the 2024 Toyota Tundra hybrid better than the 2022 Toyota Tundra?
Better to avoid both of them until they figure out what the fix is going to be for the recall
@@MJ100k The problem is that I have the 2022 Toyota Tundra and my truck is within the recall and I was thinking of making the change for the 2024 Tundra Hybrid because those are not included in the recall
@@betolopez7515 Some people are speculating that the reason they aren’t included in the recall - is the hybrid system can keep the vehicle moving if the engine goes out… While if the non hybrid engine goes out the vehicle may not be able to stop safely.
@@betolopez7515 If you’re gonna make a change I would get a 2021 Tundra with the 5.7 liter engine.
@@MJ100k What do you think of the new Tacoma 2024 hybrid?
Such a shame for the manufacturer and its customers.
Yeap it’s not a good time right now. Things will get better I believe.
Redesign is needed for tundra turbo engine
What’s your Proof ?
This will be proven we knew these sexed up v6 s wouldn’t do well
It stands to reason
My opinion Toyota is going to kick the can down the road and go with the luck of the draw on all these trucks the customer will be the loser in the long run time is money why would you leave your truck at a dealer to be repaired for a month with no compensation this will be a problem for years😅
How exactly would they “kick the can down the road” ?
You do bring up a good point about compensation though. All these trucks waiting to be repaired… can’t be used right now.. I don’t know what they are doing about that… are they getting a loaner truck ? That sounds like a lot of loaner vehicles.
While they wait - Customer still has to pay the loan payments, insurance etc. That’s gotta suck.
It's dee-bree.
It’s a-mess….
It happens. Just need to realize that Kia, Honda and Ford all have recalls. But no one is talking about that.
@@jaybeezee4013 Recalls Happen to every OEM at some point 🤷♂️
You’re insane to think anyone should accept a short block repair to these trucks!… I own an $80,000 1794 limited edition and if you think I’m going to let some hack job technician tear my truck apart, including removing the cab and every other step involved with replacing this engine…yeah right… this truck will be gone before you can blink your eyes… It will never be put back together to factory condition!…period!…see ya tundra!…see ya Toyota!…I will fight for a buy back!!
Wow 80k for a truck - I’d be pretty upset too. 😬
I doubt that Toyota will replace every engine in every truck. They will come up with some test.
What concerns me, if the test is performed and comes back negative for metal fragments at the time of the test, the recall on that vehicle will now be marked as a pass and completed.
Then, later on if you have problems with the engine, Toyota doesn’t have to replace the motor as they can say the recall was completed.
I won’t ever take my truck back for the recall. I will wait for the motor to fail, then I will have the dead truck towed to the dealer and then tell them, I brought you the truck because of the recall.
This will force Toyota and the dealer to have to deal with the problem with no plausible deniability at their end.
Don’t be a sucker and rush to take your truck in to fulfill the recall, if the recall is a test and not a full replacement of the motor.
You maybe limiting your future claim against Toyota and you will end up paying for the repairs.
I see this recall as a trick not as a remedy.
The only remedy is to replace every engine in every truck.
Plate C
Interesting theory -
I have a couple points:
1- IMO It’s likely that Toyota will extend the original warranty for trucks that pass a test (if there is even a test - that’s just my theory)
2 - If you use your theory - It will be difficult to sell your truck - because the car fax will come up that there is an uncompleted recall on your vin.
3 - If you do or don’t take it in for a test - and your truck is still under warranty and the engine fails … -then they would still have to fix it, regardless of if you passed a test or not.
@@MJ100k good points…
1. Seldom does a manufacturer extend a warranty publicly. They may secretly extend it on a case by case basis. Usually the extended warranty still has the customer paying at least 30 percent of the cost.
2. If I trade my vehicle in, the dealer that takes the truck on trade can put a dealer plate onto the truck and take it to the Toyota dealer for the recall at that time, prior to them selling it. Recalls are for the life of the truck. There are no time limit on recalls.
3. If the engine makes it just past warranty then fails and the recall is outstanding then Toyota is still on the hook for a new motor.
If the recall test is complete, makes it just past warranty then the consumer pays.
Best thing to do is sit back and let it be Toyota’s problem.
Plate C
@@platec4798 Hmmmmm 🤔 So your theory is - If you make it out of warranty and the recall is outstanding, (if the engine fails at that time) then Toyota is still on the hook for a new motor. Interesting theory: I would check with a lawyer about this plan if I were you. I’m not sure if you are correct or not 🤷♂️
@@MJ100k You bring up some good points... Here is my situation.
In my case, my Tundra is a spare truck (in a fleet of 6 other trucks that I own) and does not get used daily. I estimate that in my 6th year of ownership, the truck won't be near 20,000 miles. So, if I loose my engine at year 6 or 7 and have very low miles on it, I will expect them to do an engine replacement should there be a catastrophic failure. That is why I am very reluctant to have them pass the vehicle with a recall inspection and close out the recall. The problem may very well manifest itself after the fact. If the recall hasn't been closed, it puts the ownership of the problem in their hands.
I am still not convinced that the debris in the engine is the cause of the failure. I have taken some oil samples of my Tundra and find that there is a gasoline smell in the oil.
When the truck is first started, it runs on Direct Injection and in open loop. It would not surprise me that the fuel injectors are dumping some fuel down the cylinder walls. Over time, this waters down the oil and will wash the bearings. There is no way I am going to follow the oil change interval of 10,000 miles. I typically change my oil every 4,000 miles at maximum. The long oil change interval coupled with gas in the oil is a recipe for disaster.
Plate C
@@platec4798 We’ll have to wait and see for the fix. For the time being you can always have your oil changed more often if you want. If I were you I’d have your oil changes done at a dealership so there will be no doubt you had your maintenance done properly. If you want you can send your oil out for analysis every 10,000 miles. That would be an interesting test…..
That recall of Toyota you know Toyota don’t have experience to make new technology. Supra Toyota buy bmw engine. Toyota 86 Subaru engine , Lexus lfa is Yamaha engine the Yamaha help Toyota do Lexus hydrid
I don't think the problem is debris in the engine, I think Toyota is lying and this engine can't handle the torque it has.3.4 vs 5.7 and same torque
If it’s not debris - they could have been mistaken. (Not lying) Or it could be debris for some trucks and something else for others. Or they could be correct, and debris are the problem 🤷♂️ We will have to wait and see what happens.
Bad design
We shall see 👀