I like how after he talks about the lighting being shitty they knock over the lamp and suddenly the lighting changes and looks more interesting and dramatic instead of being dark and gloomy.
It's true actors really don't get much of a say in what they're portraying, or how they're portraying it. Yet, when a character is made to say something dumb or behave in a freaky way, we tend to blame the actors. Kind of sad, honestly.
The only reason Flip's show got green-lit in the first place was because it had the same name as Princess Carolyn's deceased son. In the moment this was framed as a charming coincidence. In the end, we see why approving scripts based on that kind of thing is a bad idea.
@@JoseDorda It was only a success because Diane was brought on as a co-writer, which stymied some of the worse aspects of the show and made it actually watchable.
I know he's creepy but I kinda like that this is a producer/director type not playing into Bojacks crap, for years he's ruined good directors and producers that trusted him and had bad one's kiss his ass so he had all the power. Bojack has had too many chances and screwed too many people over, he's not used to not being the one with power in a situation.
Yeah you are actually right, before this we saw Bojack ruin multiple projects including the career of one of the directors he work with because of his egocentrism and egoism.
I like how Bojack saw Flip as this weak anxious weirdo that he thought he could easily overpower like the rest of his directors, completely overseeing how passionated and obssesed Flip was for his show, Flip was just as Bojack, full of himself and wanted his own vision come through at all costs, even if the show looked like shit and even if he had to completely step over everyone in the production, he wouldnt care, i think he was never on it for the money he just truly believed in his vision and saw it as art, which is why the show ends up so pretentious and stupid looking with nobody to reign over him
I love this scene. There’s so much to unpack. I mean, this debate-filled comment section alone speaks for its self. The working conditions of actors, BoJack’s ego and the complex nature of having someone who truly has power over him also be an abusive man, just a lot of stuff to go over
He's the boss. Employees don't get to choose what their job is against their boss otherwise they're fired and if there's money riding on the Employee there will be court dates.
@@irregulargamer1352 Yeaaaaahh, but no. You're almost 100% right. The only wrong thing is, there's this word called consent. See, most people think when you sign a contract, you must do whatever the contract says or litigation ensues. However (and this is gonna be a logical extreme to make the point) if a contract said "I get to kill you and keep all of your stuff afterwards," that would not fly. You may say "Well you should've read the terms and conditions before signing it!" Sure, you should always read anything you're signing, but when it's an illegal act, you don't have to do it. You'd never have to die, or shit your pants, or get naked. Those things require that aforementioned magical little word, consent. Legally, you never have to be naked unless you want to be naked. People's bodies have rights in the court of law.
@@idfrigginkman But signing the contract is a pejorative form of consent to everything stipulated in said contract in the eyes of the legal system. That's why they exist.
u shouldn't forget the context: Bojack is so egocentrical that he thinks every act is written to send him some message because he is overthinking shit, which I can sympathize with but it is irrational. What do u wanna do about it? Discuss it rationally ?
+Carla Petcu well yeah, actors and actresses have hinted at this kind of thing happening. Sexual abuse and psychological abuse. (But of course there is also some dark humour to this scene. Like another comment said, Bojack's egocentrism lead to this). Also notice how Bojack's co-star Gina and the producer/his manager Princess Carolyn were complicit so that they could hold on to their own jobs. They play the game.
Am I the only one that didn’t think he was that creepy at the end of season 4? I mean he’s a creep for sure after this season but I kinda thought he was just awkward in his first appearance.
He seemed like a bit of a shut-in, egocentric, overly serious at the end of season 4. This scene surprised me but it didn't seem out of character from what we'd seen of him previously. Definitely a bit creepy.
This is exactly why intimacy coordinators need to be a standard in film production and why the actors strike going on is so important as it's making it a standard of practice. If there was an intimacy coordinator, Gina wouldn't have to be made uncomfortable with the male gaze of her undressing, it being brought up as an issue to the director. And if Gina had stated no issue with the nudity to the intimacy coordinator, it would've been made that Bojack's nudity wouldn't be allowed without his express consent (and they also could've had it so there could've been a work around with the nudity, say a camera trick)
I wonder if a similar conversation happened between Raphael and Amy Sedaris. “If I want your character to say a bunch of tongue-twisters, you will say them over and over and over again until you recite them perfectly.”
okay I know we're not supposed to really feel bad for Bojack but man, when Flip tried to rip off his robe made me super uncomfortable. I know he wasn't trying to do anything sexual to him but it gave me a lot of Bad Touch vibes. Bojack's uncomfortable with being naked, this guy is forcing him to be naked. I didn't really like Flip already but this made me start to hate him.
you're supposed to feel bad for bojack in moments like this or his childhood abuse. you're also supposed to feel bad for the people he hurt. people can be complex.
I still can’t tell if this guy was just trying to write the show his way, or he was power tripping, or he was trying to torture Bojack. Maybe a bit of all 3.
The worst part is that Bojack never wanted to be in this project. It was a favor he did for Princess Carolyn. It feels every time Bojack tries to be a decent person to his friends it gets blown back in his face.
This whole part of the story was so uncomfortable to watch. Sexual harassment and abuse of power... Forcing BoJack to get naked on camera despite him being extremely uncomfortable with it, just nasty... Yeah yeah you can say that BoJack kind of did similar things to some people in his life (abusing his power in sexual contexts...), but that doesn't make this any less gross and reprehensible.
Even though I didn't like him, Flip was a really interesting character. Hes a guy who had a weird edgy idea for a show that had no real merit, but somehow got lucky and got it produced. He's clearly in way over his head, and hes not a very good writer, but hes still doing everything he can to make his dream show a reality. I can only imagine how hard it must be to write AND direct a show on this tight a schedule with no plan and no experience. And yet somehow he manages to pull it off, at least for season 1 the show actually got pretty good reviews. He may be a weirdo, a creep, and a talentless hack at writing and directing, but he honestly did a pretty good job all things considered.
@@rpghero46 Just out of curiosity, how would you define "nowadays"? Because if I have to hear one more rant about Final Fantasy XIII, I may have to go find a table to flip. Yes, we get it Internet. FF13 wasn't perfect, would you please shut up!?
@@bismuth7398 i happen to like ff13 i think the battle system is elegant and the story specially the biggining us quite interesting (the ending...well). i hate ff15 though is not even s ff
@@rpghero46 Oh thank God. Someone with a brain. Yeah, I've heard complaints that 15 is the most soulless of all the Final Fantasy games. And I can't say I blame them. FF15 and Philbert do seem to have the same vibe, at least. For me, 6-9 is when the series peaked.
I kept hearing snippits of elliot in his voice and was super weirded out as i was watching mr robot at the same time as bojack, so when i found this is rami malek it all just clicked
Bojack should have called that creep's bluff to sue, and lawyered up himself. I'd be very interested in hearing how Flip and his lawyers argue that it was perfectly okay to attempt to disrobe an actor by force because he wouldn't comply with filming a scene he expressed discomfort for doing, and also complained about the working conditions for other cast members.
bojack didn't even sign the contract though. princess carolyn forged his signature because the show wouldn't get made without bojack, and bojack agreed to go along with it to help her out.
@@justyourlocalcommenter7492 Really depends on how do you see this. Bojack isn't the best actor to work with and carried a rep of ruining films and directors due to his ego. Flip is just shown to be an insane bastard. So it really is a choice between two evils...
agree, bojack has ruined, or at the very least, fucked up many people's lives. it doesn't matter if you have trauma that, it doesnt give you the right to be shitty to other people. he deserves this
@@axelpatrickb.pingol3228 I mean it’s pretty cut an dry. Doesn’t want to get naked and flip is forcibly trying to rip off his clothes and threaten him with litigation if he doesn’t
"The darkness is a metaphor for darkness." GoT season 8
Kingdom Hearts
read that exacly with him saying it
Titans
I'm imagining this whole scene is exactly how D&D spoke to their actors who had problems with the scripts they wrote, especially for Season 8
Diary of a wimpy kid 8+
I like how after he talks about the lighting being shitty they knock over the lamp and suddenly the lighting changes and looks more interesting and dramatic instead of being dark and gloomy.
That's an interesting note
But... they knock over the lamp *before* Bojack mentions the lighting..
*that is a good note about the lighting I'll take a look in to that*
He said during a scene with extraordinary lighting.
rami malek puts no effort to change his voice ..but it's working anyway !
Would he even need to?
That was Rami? Wow he's good.
Rami??
that was rami1>?!?!?!? holy shit youre right now that you mention it, damn i love the dude
oh, fish!
It's true actors really don't get much of a say in what they're portraying, or how they're portraying it. Yet, when a character is made to say something dumb or behave in a freaky way, we tend to blame the actors. Kind of sad, honestly.
reminds me of the twilight protagonist
COUGH bella swan COUGH
@@gezenews boohoo indeed, because its not fair
@@gezenews ...why
@@kingjb554 wild guess, but probably because this person is a jerk.
The only reason Flip's show got green-lit in the first place was because it had the same name as Princess Carolyn's deceased son. In the moment this was framed as a charming coincidence. In the end, we see why approving scripts based on that kind of thing is a bad idea.
Wasn't the show a success even with a the trouble production?
@@JoseDorda It was only a success because Diane was brought on as a co-writer, which stymied some of the worse aspects of the show and made it actually watchable.
@@sivelg oh so it was like the star wars movies.
Ooooooooh shots fired 😎.
@@JoseDorda ha! nice.
The darkness is a metaphor for DARKNESS ... Brian.
DC movies be like
"Why can't you act like a professional and get naked??" I'm sorry, I laughed way too hard at this because it's Rami Malek's voice. Love that guy.
I know he's creepy but I kinda like that this is a producer/director type not playing into Bojacks crap, for years he's ruined good directors and producers that trusted him and had bad one's kiss his ass so he had all the power. Bojack has had too many chances and screwed too many people over, he's not used to not being the one with power in a situation.
Yeah you are actually right, before this we saw Bojack ruin multiple projects including the career of one of the directors he work with because of his egocentrism and egoism.
abe d'catfish didn't put up with his shit either, and that didn't get to creepy levels of borderline sexual abuse.
This is sexual assault. It’s not teaching him anything.
@@justyourlocalcommenter7492 - Why are you defending the worst predator and assaulter in the show? Who cares if he gets a taste of his own medicine?
@@MightyMewtron - Why are you defending the worst predator and assaulter in the show? Who cares if he gets a taste of his own medicine?
I like how Bojack saw Flip as this weak anxious weirdo that he thought he could easily overpower like the rest of his directors, completely overseeing how passionated and obssesed Flip was for his show, Flip was just as Bojack, full of himself and wanted his own vision come through at all costs, even if the show looked like shit and even if he had to completely step over everyone in the production, he wouldnt care, i think he was never on it for the money he just truly believed in his vision and saw it as art, which is why the show ends up so pretentious and stupid looking with nobody to reign over him
Maybe that's why his name is Flip? Twitchy milquetoast is actually a master gas lighter.
To be fair, most art should be created for the sake of the vision of the creators, even if the result is boring.
I love this scene. There’s so much to unpack. I mean, this debate-filled comment section alone speaks for its self. The working conditions of actors, BoJack’s ego and the complex nature of having someone who truly has power over him also be an abusive man, just a lot of stuff to go over
Flip is someone Bojack can't push around.
"History isn't kind to men who play god."
He's the boss. Employees don't get to choose what their job is against their boss otherwise they're fired and if there's money riding on the Employee there will be court dates.
@@irregulargamer1352 Yeaaaaahh, but no. You're almost 100% right. The only wrong thing is, there's this word called consent. See, most people think when you sign a contract, you must do whatever the contract says or litigation ensues. However (and this is gonna be a logical extreme to make the point) if a contract said "I get to kill you and keep all of your stuff afterwards," that would not fly. You may say "Well you should've read the terms and conditions before signing it!" Sure, you should always read anything you're signing, but when it's an illegal act, you don't have to do it. You'd never have to die, or shit your pants, or get naked. Those things require that aforementioned magical little word, consent. Legally, you never have to be naked unless you want to be naked. People's bodies have rights in the court of law.
@@idfrigginkman But signing the contract is a pejorative form of consent to everything stipulated in said contract in the eyes of the legal system. That's why they exist.
@@danengscot7226 there is no part of any contract letting u harass someone. Man literally just tried taking bojack's clothes off.
@@idfrigginkman Owned lol
I like the detail that Flip is eating a popsicle, which lends credence to the accusation that he stole the popsicle guy's jokes for his show. XD
😭
I didn't notice that at all! Thank you!
This is actually sexual assault. Isn't it?
I mean, it's teetering the edge, yeah.
More like sexual coercion / blackmail
sexually assaulting a sexual assaulter o no
@Instrumentality1000 yes
@Instrumentality1000 fuck him its hilarious. an abuser getting abused woo hoo!
Job or not this sounds extremly abusive
Well he did sign a contract
A lot of this show is about men in power and those powerful men abusing that power
u shouldn't forget the context: Bojack is so egocentrical that he thinks every act is written to send him some message because he is overthinking shit, which I can sympathize with but it is irrational. What do u wanna do about it? Discuss it rationally ?
+Carla Petcu well yeah, actors and actresses have hinted at this kind of thing happening. Sexual abuse and psychological abuse. (But of course there is also some dark humour to this scene. Like another comment said, Bojack's egocentrism lead to this). Also notice how Bojack's co-star Gina and the producer/his manager Princess Carolyn were complicit so that they could hold on to their own jobs. They play the game.
Welcome to show business.
Am I the only one that didn’t think he was that creepy at the end of season 4?
I mean he’s a creep for sure after this season but I kinda thought he was just awkward in his first appearance.
I thought exactly the same
He seemed like a bit of a shut-in, egocentric, overly serious at the end of season 4. This scene surprised me but it didn't seem out of character from what we'd seen of him previously. Definitely a bit creepy.
He's just an eccentric artist
@@richardsantanna5398 That too :)
He didn’t look that bad before season 5.
no wonder he was casted as the bond villain
This is exactly why intimacy coordinators need to be a standard in film production and why the actors strike going on is so important as it's making it a standard of practice.
If there was an intimacy coordinator, Gina wouldn't have to be made uncomfortable with the male gaze of her undressing, it being brought up as an issue to the director.
And if Gina had stated no issue with the nudity to the intimacy coordinator, it would've been made that Bojack's nudity wouldn't be allowed without his express consent (and they also could've had it so there could've been a work around with the nudity, say a camera trick)
Bojack should be grateful he’s working with a considerate director that listens to the actors suggestions and opinions.
I wonder if a similar conversation happened between Raphael and Amy Sedaris.
“If I want your character to say a bunch of tongue-twisters, you will say them over and over and over again until you recite them perfectly.”
Flip: i told my mom I made a friend do you want to make me a liar to my mother 😂😂😂😂
Sam Levinson on the set of Euphoria
okay I know we're not supposed to really feel bad for Bojack but man, when Flip tried to rip off his robe made me super uncomfortable. I know he wasn't trying to do anything sexual to him but it gave me a lot of Bad Touch vibes. Bojack's uncomfortable with being naked, this guy is forcing him to be naked.
I didn't really like Flip already but this made me start to hate him.
You can feel bad for for "shitty" people.
@@JoseDorda true
you're supposed to feel bad for bojack in moments like this or his childhood abuse. you're also supposed to feel bad for the people he hurt. people can be complex.
bojack is a crappy person, but no one should get sexually assaulted.
@@MightyMewtron well said.
Thoughts on Flip at his introduction: Jesus, Princess Carolyne has to help this poor man!
But after this.. um.. >_>"
Lol fr 🤣🤣
Bojack is the worst. Who even cares what happens to him?
Rami Malek a mellow sexy voice is perfect for this role and would be if he did Asmr
His voice is mellow and sexy even though Flip is so far from either of those things 😂
Its Rami Malek !!
Mr Robot?
@@llarmstrong783 yup , it's elliot
1:29 Very mature Flip
Jesus christ Ramis voice is so nice to listen to
I still can’t tell if this guy was just trying to write the show his way, or he was power tripping, or he was trying to torture Bojack. Maybe a bit of all 3.
0:40 I love that deliver.
The worst part is that Bojack never wanted to be in this project. It was a favor he did for Princess Carolyn. It feels every time Bojack tries to be a decent person to his friends it gets blown back in his face.
Rami was an amazing actor he did a perfect & rock on job for playing Freddie Mercury 💖💖💖😍😍😍💖💖💖
0:47 square writing for kingdom hearts
I'm glad someone said it lol
What do you mean the darkness represents the inherent darkness of darkness.
Darkness within darkness awaits you Bojack
This whole part of the story was so uncomfortable to watch. Sexual harassment and abuse of power... Forcing BoJack to get naked on camera despite him being extremely uncomfortable with it, just nasty... Yeah yeah you can say that BoJack kind of did similar things to some people in his life (abusing his power in sexual contexts...), but that doesn't make this any less gross and reprehensible.
"What? Ew, weird!" is such a funny response I love it
0:56 1:17
That is one hell of a God complex
Bojack's #MeToo story.
Yea pretty much. I like how it shows that it also happens to men.
His _third_ MeToo story.
I gotta say Rami Malek saying "i am your god. You will please your god" is super hot
Ew
Definitely not when it's coming out of Flip, no
@@trrrcyyazerty4767 close your eyes and think of freddie Mercury i dunno
Down ungodly
So THIS is where "the darkness is a metaphor for darkness" comes from?
Even though I didn't like him, Flip was a really interesting character. Hes a guy who had a weird edgy idea for a show that had no real merit, but somehow got lucky and got it produced. He's clearly in way over his head, and hes not a very good writer, but hes still doing everything he can to make his dream show a reality. I can only imagine how hard it must be to write AND direct a show on this tight a schedule with no plan and no experience. And yet somehow he manages to pull it off, at least for season 1 the show actually got pretty good reviews. He may be a weirdo, a creep, and a talentless hack at writing and directing, but he honestly did a pretty good job all things considered.
That’s cause Diane did the work.
Sam Levinson be like
This had an uncomfortable amount of sexual tension.
two shows that best portrayed mental illness in one (voice) actor? What's this a crossover episode?!?
Am I the catchphrase of child actor and famous popstar Sarah Lynn cuz that's too much man
I just noticed Bojack was wearing boxers under that robe, man I’m an idiot
I never relized that flip is eating a popsicle. He is probably writing the stolen jokes.
During his God monologue we can actually notice his shadow slowly growing taller, idk if that was on purpose tho
“I am your god, you will please your god”
Sad reality of being an actor in a way...
That's why I never sign anything.
He didn't even sign for this show, I'm pretty sure princess Carolyn did
Am I the only one who likes Flip.
That kind of think this scene is messed up
All the GOT cast lives. 😆
George Takei: EVERYTHING IS A METAPHOR!
Love that the shadow has accurate paralaxinf
Rami Malek is fantastic in this
Am I the only one who feels bad for Bojack here?
-Confusing
-Over-written
-Boring
-Has nothing to say
Why does that description sound so familiar? 🤔
most jrpgs now a days.
@@rpghero46 Just out of curiosity, how would you define "nowadays"?
Because if I have to hear one more rant about Final Fantasy XIII, I may have to go find a table to flip.
Yes, we get it Internet. FF13 wasn't perfect, would you please shut up!?
@@bismuth7398 i happen to like ff13 i think the battle system is elegant and the story specially the biggining us quite interesting (the ending...well). i hate ff15 though is not even s ff
@@rpghero46 Oh thank God. Someone with a brain.
Yeah, I've heard complaints that 15 is the most soulless of all the Final Fantasy games. And I can't say I blame them. FF15 and Philbert do seem to have the same vibe, at least.
For me, 6-9 is when the series peaked.
wait how is it familiar?
Flip is in his valentino era
This is my favourite monologue
dude i have been all over the internet researching rami malek now i’m here wowzers
I kept hearing snippits of elliot in his voice and was super weirded out as i was watching mr robot at the same time as bojack, so when i found this is rami malek it all just clicked
Is this the only time he stretches his back?
Sam levinson
love the popsicle
I feel this on a personal level. LOL
always thought this scene looked "off". if the hard light is hitting them head-on, why are they backlit?
The hell did I just witness
Season 5 is my favorite
And my guinea pig is named after Flip
Bojack should have called that creep's bluff to sue, and lawyered up himself.
I'd be very interested in hearing how Flip and his lawyers argue that it was perfectly okay to attempt to disrobe an actor by force because he wouldn't comply with filming a scene he expressed discomfort for doing, and also complained about the working conditions for other cast members.
1:32 intro
0:39
🤙 Determinism is Freedom 🤙 🤙
Pay better attention to the contracts you sign.
bojack didn't even sign the contract though. princess carolyn forged his signature because the show wouldn't get made without bojack, and bojack agreed to go along with it to help her out.
Honestly Flip was a jerk and a bad director/writer.
So is this referencing anyone? Who's a pretentious director?
Josh trank
Bryan Singer
Quinten Tarantino what with the sexual assault and allowing violence to happen on set
Only Allah can be my god
His show sucks but his lines send me chills.
193rd
Polanski? x)))))
I love this director. He's not taking any of Bojack's whiny diva bullshit.
bro this is sexual assault, it's not teaching bojack anything
I find it really concerning how you can write off resisting against sexual assault as “whiny diva bullshit”
@@justyourlocalcommenter7492 Really depends on how do you see this. Bojack isn't the best actor to work with and carried a rep of ruining films and directors due to his ego. Flip is just shown to be an insane bastard. So it really is a choice between two evils...
agree, bojack has ruined, or at the very least, fucked up many people's lives. it doesn't matter if you have trauma that, it doesnt give you the right to be shitty to other people. he deserves this
@@axelpatrickb.pingol3228 I mean it’s pretty cut an dry. Doesn’t want to get naked and flip is forcibly trying to rip off his clothes and threaten him with litigation if he doesn’t
So, this is why Christianity is dying in Hollywood.
What?
They worship directors and not G-d, it's just a stupid joke.
@@thelightningwave lol my bad. I didn't get it
christianity was always dead. you normies are keeping thr corpse alive to hide from your own evil and to profit from it.
This is one of the shittiest takes I have seen this year.
Also 1/5 bait.