Very informative, thanks for the insight. Perhaps you could do a video on your procedure for tying up and installing cat whisker silencers. Seems to be a variety of recommendations on You Tube but I find them tricky to get properly attached and splayed.
Love your videos. Just getting back into traditional archery again after a long hiatus. I have always been a tinkerer trying to always see if I can make things better. You have that same mindset which I love. Learning a lot from your channel. Keep up the great content!
Thank you brother! I like the cat whiskers as well as limb saver brand string silencers. Ive put vibration absorbing rubber stickers just under the string inside of liimbs, top and bottom. Reduced tone vibration sound. Didn't realize until your shared experence that they can be shoved up tight to the limb. Thats basically a vibration shock guard on your string, not allowing the slap to occur. Solid, gonna try it 💯.
When a bow string is released, there are two nodes, one above and one below the center of the string, where the string vibrates THE LEAST. Amazingly for years, most archers have tied string silencers at, or close to those nodes where the string vibrates the least, and as a result, the silencers have... the least effect. The largest amount of string vibration is in the center of the string, but because you are drawing the string in the center, you don't want the silencers under your fingers, and you don't want them where they will strike you bow arm. You also don't want them above your nocking point in front of your face. This string silencer placement close to the bow tips, may be having a greater effect on the string vibration at the string loops, thus reducing the limb vibration that also amplifies noise.
I’ve been #tradonly for over 45 yrs. I also go to great lengths to get that ‘thump’ on release. One thing I read or heard is using the ‘heterodyne principle in string silencer position. Here follows an explanation. STRING SILENCER THEORY Something you might try & I use is taking advantage of the heterodyne principal of canceling resonate frequencies. In short, the heterodyne principal states that when two frequencies are mixed they produce both even and odd additional frequencies. This is how radios are able to transmit or receive a wide spectrum of frequencies without having a separate resonate circuit for each frequency. A naked bow string will sing like a plucked guitar string SO if you tie one silencer 1/3 the distance from one end of the bow string and the other silencer 1/4 the distance from the opposite end that combination will cancel out both even & odd resonate frequencies. That will make the string go thump instead of twang. Measure the distances with bow strung from where the string touches limb. This works with longbows, recurves & compound contraptions too. Aside from noise canceling it also allows the use of silencers with less bulk and mass giving you a little extra arrow speed. I use those small silicon string silencers from 3 Rivers Archery...string leeches or wishbones or any of the others work just a well.
Great observation Jeff. I take the soft part of velcro thay come pretty close too limb width , stick it on groove section , restring bow, string fits perfectly down groove and pushes in and man does that ever muffle the bow. Now im thinking also try your thought, along with that, could be double quite. The other thing i do , i keep velcro a little longer on upper limb so when i hang the bow on limb or bow holder its not marring up my finish. Awesome day these bows will be like a whisper 😁
I researched and tried heterodyning. And i also wrapped my string in the grooves with wool yarn. My bow is quiet. You have to do some simple math. But it works.
@@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998 nice Ill be watching for it. I use the double cat whiskers on a couple of my bow and I gave it try like you said and it made a significant difference in the noise so thanks again.
If you could i would be interested in the speed difference between a two silencer setup using heterodyning and your set up with the 3 silencers. 👍🏼 Thanks for sharing your findings.
@@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998 I just installed some on my Hermit X10 and had a few shots Jeff and boy oh boy!! Quiet as a field mouse!! Priceless hack, brother!!!🙏 Now for my other Bows!👍🤣🤣🙏
Great info Jeff. I'm just in the process of setting up a bow and will definitly be trying this. Have you tried it without the velcro on the limbs to see if the velcro makes a difference or is the velcro more to reduce the string slapping the bow rather than vibration of the string and limbs?
Do you recommend using small zip ties to put on rubber cat whiskers or using a piece of serving thread? I'd think the zip tie might wear out and break at some point. My ILF bow is still a challenge to make quiet. Thanks for another great video and helping us put meat in the freezer!
I know it's inexpensive and getto, but try those Goody hair ties that your girls make pony tails with. Loop them around and through tightly then slide them up into the curve. Swipe a couple, she'll never miss it😅
There is a way mathematicaly to find where most the vibration sits on the string. Also download an audio spectrum analyser to find the octave your hunting to soften. I soften a 40lbs black hunter recurve so much you can hear the nock coming off the string
@@kennydunn8594 femish twist, 2smal wool balls 4 inches down and 8 inches down. I put a Small bit of fur under the limb tips. I also like a 7 1/4 inch brace hight
@@kennydunn8594 foam under the limb bolts and make sure the centre is cut out right double check your tiller . I've set up about a dozen black hunters they are sweet when set up right.
Great tips Jeff. Now what if you only have one set of string silencers on the string? Where will they be most effective? Right up against the recurves or the usual quarter way down?
@@jimmyhor78 well I think you have to have some down the string to cancel vibration for sure but this just eliminates string slap noise from what I can tell 👍🏻
Since I'm not a hunter it's not a huge deal for me. But I do like a quiet bow. I like the puffer balls just 2. Not a fan of the looks of having 2 or more pairs. Would like to know if that would help with just 1 set of silencer at the ends.
Have you tried the Stiktamers? I run them on my bows and I feel like they'll have the similar effect. I'm definitely going to try your trick out and see if it's quieter though. Love your videos man I've learned so much from you. 👍
Jeff out of the Oberon long bow Oberon recuve and the sitkin recuve witch one would you recommend. I mean I know you like the Oberon recuve but you have perfect forum and you follow thru perfect every time, so witch one would you recommend and how consistent do you have to be, just wounding because I've always heard that a long bow is more forgiven but a recuve is more consistent. Thank you for great reviews.
It’s the same thing mountain muffler does to his strings. I’ve got some beaver balls I’m gonna put on my ttt where it touches the bow and see how it does.
So......my question is(as a new traditional archer), you've shot sooooooo many bows, if you could only pick one as far as EVERYTHING is considered....to feed your family.....like your and their lives depend on it what would it be and why?
@@thenightswatch1083 as far as production bows the Oberon Recurve can’t be beat especially for $400 but there are many great custom bows and probably the most bulletproof hunting bow like that is a 58” longbow for me, I love Ol Battle Bows because they’re great hunting tools and not terribly expensive 👍🏻
I have been using using brush buttons since the 80s your right they really help silence a recurve thanks for your videos
Good stuff. Heading to my local archery shop. Perfect timing. Now opens in a few weeks.
Mountain muffler strings ties a thinner longer wool puff in that same place. Works great!
Very informative, thanks for the insight. Perhaps you could do a video on your procedure for tying up and installing cat whisker silencers. Seems to be a variety of recommendations on You Tube but I find them tricky to get properly attached and splayed.
LoL that's where mine are sitting I figured it out while practicing,fellas it works,Thanks for the video Jeff 👍 I thought people were doing it !!
Love your videos. Just getting back into traditional archery again after a long hiatus. I have always been a tinkerer trying to always see if I can make things better. You have that same mindset which I love. Learning a lot from your channel. Keep up the great content!
Thank you brother! I like the cat whiskers as well as limb saver brand string silencers. Ive put vibration absorbing rubber stickers just under the string inside of liimbs, top and bottom. Reduced tone vibration sound. Didn't realize until your shared experence that they can be shoved up tight to the limb. Thats basically a vibration shock guard on your string, not allowing the slap to occur. Solid, gonna try it 💯.
When a bow string is released, there are two nodes, one above and one below the center of the string, where the string vibrates THE LEAST. Amazingly for years, most archers have tied string silencers at, or close to those nodes where the string vibrates the least, and as a result, the silencers have... the least effect. The largest amount of string vibration is in the center of the string, but because you are drawing the string in the center, you don't want the silencers under your fingers, and you don't want them where they will strike you bow arm. You also don't want them above your nocking point in front of your face. This string silencer placement close to the bow tips, may be having a greater effect on the string vibration at the string loops, thus reducing the limb vibration that also amplifies noise.
I’ve been #tradonly for over 45 yrs. I also go to great lengths to get that ‘thump’ on release. One thing I read or heard is using the ‘heterodyne principle in string silencer position. Here follows an explanation.
STRING SILENCER THEORY
Something you might try & I use is taking advantage of the heterodyne principal of canceling resonate frequencies.
In short, the heterodyne principal states that when two frequencies are mixed they produce both even and odd additional frequencies.
This is how radios are able to transmit or receive a wide spectrum of frequencies without having a separate resonate circuit for each frequency.
A naked bow string will sing like a plucked guitar string SO if you tie one silencer 1/3 the distance from one end of the bow string and the other silencer 1/4 the distance from the opposite end that combination will cancel out both even & odd resonate frequencies. That will make the string go thump instead of twang.
Measure the distances with bow strung from where the string touches limb. This works with longbows, recurves & compound contraptions too.
Aside from noise canceling it also allows the use of silencers with less bulk and mass giving you a little extra arrow speed.
I use those small silicon string silencers from 3 Rivers Archery...string leeches or wishbones or any of the others work just a well.
Seldom comment but really enjoy your channel. Keep em coming!
@@anthonychapman7054 thanks brother!!!
Your experience is very valuable. Thanks
@@peterbedford2610 Thank you sir!
thanks for sharing, I will give it a try. God Bless
Great observation Jeff. I take the soft part of velcro thay come pretty close too limb width , stick it on groove section , restring bow, string fits perfectly down groove and pushes in and man does that ever muffle the bow. Now im thinking also try your thought, along with that, could be double quite. The other thing i do , i keep velcro a little longer on upper limb so when i hang the bow on limb or bow holder its not marring up my finish. Awesome day these bows will be like a whisper 😁
I researched and tried heterodyning. And i also wrapped my string in the grooves with wool yarn. My bow is quiet. You have to do some simple math. But it works.
Thanks for the tip, definitely reduced the twang on my recurve!!
Nice little piece of advice, thanks Jeff keep em coming.
@@jaybennett7242 new one coming tonight! Thanks brother 😁👍🏻
@@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998 nice Ill be watching for it. I use the double cat whiskers on a couple of my bow and I gave it try like you said and it made a significant difference in the noise so thanks again.
If you could i would be interested in the speed difference between a two silencer setup using heterodyning and your set up with the 3 silencers. 👍🏼
Thanks for sharing your findings.
Thanks Jeff! I'm going to give that a go!👍👍
@@brettellis423 man it really works!
@@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998 I just installed some on my Hermit X10 and had a few shots Jeff and boy oh boy!! Quiet as a field mouse!! Priceless hack, brother!!!🙏
Now for my other Bows!👍🤣🤣🙏
Hey Jeff, we know about the bow you are using this year, what about the arrow/broadhead combo? 🤔
Just added two on my NYX game changing quiet thanks Jeff !
Great info Jeff. I'm just in the process of setting up a bow and will definitly be trying this. Have you tried it without the velcro on the limbs to see if the velcro makes a difference or is the velcro more to reduce the string slapping the bow rather than vibration of the string and limbs?
Thanks for the tip.
Do you recommend using small zip ties to put on rubber cat whiskers or using a piece of serving thread? I'd think the zip tie might wear out and break at some point. My ILF bow is still a challenge to make quiet. Thanks for another great video and helping us put meat in the freezer!
I read once where Fred Bear said a guys who’s worried about how fast his bow is . Then he said his bow isn’t quite enough then .
I know it's inexpensive and getto, but try those Goody hair ties that your girls make pony tails with. Loop them around and through tightly then slide them up into the curve. Swipe a couple, she'll never miss it😅
I will give it a try on my hermit X10 thanks Jeff
There is a way mathematicaly to find where most the vibration sits on the string. Also download an audio spectrum analyser to find the octave your hunting to soften.
I soften a 40lbs black hunter recurve so much you can hear the nock coming off the string
What's your advice on silencing the black hunter longbow?
@@kennydunn8594 femish twist, 2smal wool balls 4 inches down and 8 inches down. I put a Small bit of fur under the limb tips. I also like a 7 1/4 inch brace hight
@@kennydunn8594 foam under the limb bolts and make sure the centre is cut out right double check your tiller . I've set up about a dozen black hunters they are sweet when set up right.
Great tips Jeff. Now what if you only have one set of string silencers on the string? Where will they be most effective? Right up against the recurves or the usual quarter way down?
@@jimmyhor78 well I think you have to have some down the string to cancel vibration for sure but this just eliminates string slap noise from what I can tell 👍🏻
Since I'm not a hunter it's not a huge deal for me. But I do like a quiet bow. I like the puffer balls just 2. Not a fan of the looks of having 2 or more pairs. Would like to know if that would help with just 1 set of silencer at the ends.
Many thanks. Good Intel.
Have you tried the Stiktamers? I run them on my bows and I feel like they'll have the similar effect. I'm definitely going to try your trick out and see if it's quieter though. Love your videos man I've learned so much from you. 👍
Jeff out of the Oberon long bow Oberon recuve and the sitkin recuve witch one would you recommend. I mean I know you like the Oberon recuve but you have perfect forum and you follow thru perfect every time, so witch one would you recommend and how consistent do you have to be, just wounding because I've always heard that a long bow is more forgiven but a recuve is more consistent. Thank you for great reviews.
Mine is quite,Did you hear it,what I’d say it’s quite,Thanks for the advice.And the video.
It’s the same thing mountain muffler does to his strings. I’ve got some beaver balls I’m gonna put on my ttt where it touches the bow and see how it does.
Is there a way to contact TTT strings and order without going thru Facebook?
Jeff, di you slide a set of cat wiskers down on the lower limb as well ?
@@BarryRaugust yes sir!
@@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998 Thanks, will be making that addition.
Where do you get that bow string from
Rubber sheets of rubber ( hoppy lobby) , strong scissors. Roll your own!
I've got an ancient Bear and the replacement string is 1/3" short and seems thick . Will it damage my heirloom? 2 right of L shouldet 👁️
How much speed did you lose with all those silencers
I'm wondering myself. You're adding weight and resistance.
Speed doesn’t matter near as much as sound
❤
Cool thanks
Probably silly question but, would be just one on the top limb or a second on the bottom too?!
@@aranha9365 both worked great for mine!
Shoot split finger Bow will be
Quite
Also they rob arrow speed
But do these loose speed at all?
@@williamstewart8449 none at all
How can i get ahold of this "Trevor" to set me up with a string setup?
@@HolisticHealthDave They have a Facebook page TTT Strings
"Whoo Knew" hunting in dark involves quiet 🤐 feathered ☠️
So......my question is(as a new traditional archer), you've shot sooooooo many bows, if you could only pick one as far as EVERYTHING is considered....to feed your family.....like your and their lives depend on it what would it be and why?
@@thenightswatch1083 as far as production bows the Oberon Recurve can’t be beat especially for $400 but there are many great custom bows and probably the most bulletproof hunting bow like that is a 58” longbow for me, I love Ol Battle Bows because they’re great hunting tools and not terribly expensive 👍🏻
No the next one!
No the other way😢