Choosing A Good Hunting Arrow Setup For A 35# Recurve Or Longbow “ Light Poundage Traditional”
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- Here are some really good options for setting up your light poundage traditional hunting bow with an effective arrow and broadhead combination that will give you the best possible results!
Yes! Thank you so much for doing this video brother Jeff! I've been a recurve archer for a long time but I to can no longer shoot a heavier recurve because of injuries to my 68 yr body. Some folks say to me, Ray, you need a crossbow. No sir, I do not and you don't understand. Anyway, I've been trying to figure out hunting arrows and then I see your awesome video here! Thanks again for your time and effort into these video's! Have a great day Sir!
Thank you sir!
That’s is great information, thanks
@@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998 Jeff: you’ve tested a lot of arrows of late - and I thank you for that amazing insight.
I did notice the Airstrike shaft wasn’t featured here. Would you still recommend the airstrike or is it simply too expensive for consideration? I’m asking as I want a not too expensive shaft that can stalk with but can be shot hundreds of times in backyard 3D
@@Little-by-little-more absolutely they’re totally awesome but very expensive indeed!
@@Little-by-little-more absolutely they’re totally awesome but very expensive indeed!
a 35 lbs recurve surprised me yesterday, 418 gr arrow at 60 yards, i forgot to adjust my Olympic sight from 40 and it hit a 5 gallon lowes bucket under my target. It went straight through it and planted into my shed hard. It opened up my eyes, i cant imagine what my 45lb and 55lb limbs would do.
Thank you Jeff, for another very informative video.
I'm new to archery at 61 years young. I went out to the range today with my #35 Hermit X10 Gold Tip Traditional 500 sipine with 150 gr flield tips.Thanks to you sharing your knowledge my groupings are getting tighter, at 20 yards.
Blessing to you & all yours, Jeff.
My feelings are there are more archers shooting 35-45lbs than we have seen in a long time. Why?? Mainly because traditional shooting has evolved back around to a more formal draw, anchor slowly pull through execution. Where what I seen when I was younger was MANY guys shooting bow wayyyy to heavy for them and they were grip it and rip it, short drawing snap shooters. Because they was over bowed. That has seemed to be fading out.
I now see guys working through shot execution and holding at draw longer than I ever had previously seen.
I have been to a lot of tradition shoots over the years. And I would venture to say 80% or more were over bowed….
@@PennNative I totally agree!
10 fps difference between a 320 gr and 550 gr arrow ? come on jeff, that`s nonsense - it`s at least 30 fps
Howdy Brother! Love your videos!!! I thought Id share my Bow/arrow setup(s) for the other end of the spectrum for the people/so others can have an idea on numbers/where to start.....I shoot a 55# Big Jim Thunderchild, a 60# Mountain Monarch and a 63# Buffalo. My TC setup is a 450 spine arrow @ 28.5", TAW is 530grn, 21% FOC upfront. My MM and Buffalo shoot the exact same arrow(s)....400 spine 28.5" TAW 585grn, 21% FOC, 150grn brass insert, 150 grn field point, 7 grn aluminum footed shaft, 5" feathers on all builds. Ive found for most shooting trad and over 50#-especially over 55# bows somewhere between 9.3 and 9.8 grains per pound of bow with 19-22% FOC is usually everyones perfect tune/balance for the arrow....alot of new trad archers are surprised that if they had a 29" draw they usually have a 27" draw and for every one inch less draw they are losing approximately 3lbs of draw weight....I mention this for calculations purposes with online KE/Momentum calculators....I love playing with different builds on the 3Rivers Dynamic Spine Calculator....Ive made T-Rex arrows and played around with some 9.3GPP...I settled on a 9.7GPP and 21% FOC for optimal performance for me.....once you find out your numbers or where you wanna be at-can save yourself alot of time/energy/money....CHEERS FROM TEXAS!
If you don't want to buy another batch of arrows, you can glue a layer or two of leather on your sight window, which will build your shelf out and allow you to shoot much heavier points with your light spine arrows. Start with one layer of leather, strip the fletching off one arrow, increase your point until you get perfect arrow flight. If you want to go heavier point weight/even higher FOC, glue a second layer and repeat the flight test with even heavier point weights. Slow arrow speed is going to allow for a lot of deer drop at the sound of the bow, so keep your shots inside 15 yards and aim low... 3 to 1 broadheads like a single bevel two blade Grizzly with a steel threaded adapter recommended. I put 125 grain threaded adapter inside a Grizzly 125 for 250 grains. Gives me 20 percent FOC on a 29.75 inch 1916, total arrow weight is 620 grains with feathers and lighted nock. Heavy arrow setups shoot quieter too. Keep the great videos coming Jeff.
@instinctiveaddictionarcher8988 WOW! Thank you for sharing all this info. I have learned a lot. I also am unable to use a higher poundage Bow, anymore. So, I would like to start shooting again, using a lighter poundage Bow., 30# or 35# Do you have a website/contact info., for ordering Arrows, and any other accessories? A special thanks, for including our Lord and Saviour, in all that you do... God Bless
Do I need to put a 50 gr. insert with a 200 gr. broadhead? Or can I just use a heaver broadhead?
Man thank you so much! I’m one of those 60 yr olds nowadays and currently shoot a 30 pound PSE Terra longbow, been thinking I need to step up to a 35 pound bow setup and finding the perfect arrow setup is really tough, have yet to shoot that much weight upfront, bcuz with the 30 pound set up it just sinks like a rock at 20 yards, with my 27in draw and my 27 3/4” nock to carbon end shaft length, I have to adjust my aim point which can be a bit disturbing, but I just think it is what it is while shooting a longbow, with its instinctive shooting. So I don’t know if I’ll ever get a pinpoint matching set up, but I’ve been on a mission and I can group 4- 5 inch diameter with a half a dozen arrows, I’m pretty pleased with that shooting with the light target arrows is challenging and then shooting the 600 spline Easton Legacy arrows, they are just a different beast all together, Lots of trial and error lately, but making progress with dialing it all in. Your videos are extremely informative and helpful, Thank you Very Much!🙏🏻💯
Yes sir and thank you! Five pounds really makes a huge difference and some bows just draw much easier than others like recurves are typically way less difficult to draw than a longbow 👍🏻
@@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998 Thank you again, totally appreciate your shared wisdom, knowledge, and input. I have a 40lb recurve bow and it’s a workout, it’s old-school, it is an Italian made Ragim, all wood, it’s rather exhausting pulling it back for a length of time, in comparison to the 30lb longbow, which I can shoot for hours and not be tired, but it just does not have the power needed. I think when I go to the range today, I will be taking your advice and I’m gonna look at a more modern recurve 35 pound bow as suggested, maybe even one that may have the option to put a pin site on it for when I’m target shooting, but that’s still up in the air, because I’ve always shot instinctively since a kid, and as a middle-aged guy, and now stepping into the senior world. The past couple weeks I really embraced the two eyes open, while sighting and shooting the longbow, and things are going really well. Again, Thank You! ✊🏻💯
Right now im shooting 40lb with a 26” draw and a 500 spine 27” gt warrior arrow. I have 225gr up front but may go to 250gr. Question is can I get by with a 600 spine?
I have a vintage, Browning Nomad Stalker, at 38# and GT Warrior, 600 spine in too weak. I have to use a standard GT insert and 150 grain target tip. So I may have to drop to a 400.
Made a arrow fleching gig for four feathers. Knoking can be done two ways without looking and they are very stable in flight
Hi jeff. What would you guess is the bare minimum arrow weight for a 43-44lb bow for hog hunting? I never hunted before but i hear they are tough animals to get good penetration on. Im having a hard time tuning the nock high out of my 400 spine gt warrior cut to 29.25 carbon to carbon, 100gn tip + 250gn of insert and screw in weights (total arrow weight around 600gn, pulling about 27-27.5”). The left and right is perfect, but with feathers and a lighted nock, the back of the arrow keeps wanting to bounce off the shelf. I’ve played with the nock sets and its driving me crazy. Also, the insert length is so long (looks like 3-4”), i believe it is artificially “shortening” the arrow since that portion can no longer flex. Foc is around 24%.
@@justnguyen228 yeah you really need to go with a slightly heavier shaft or add a lighted nock , that’s usually the problem but for some reason all my 400’s bare shaft tail high with heavy FOC unlike a 500 for some reason.
@@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998 i just watched a video by ttt archery and he said too much foc will cause the arrow to fly nock high since the front is just too heavy, and since the feathers are constantly fighting to correct that, u will get speed decay because of the drag. My follow up question is, do u think that the increased mass coming from a low poundage bow shot at 15-20 yards max, is worth the speed decay? My 500 spine cut to 27.5” with 200gn up front, 450 total arrow weight (19% foc) flies much better, no nock high, but is not in your recommended 500-550gn range for optimal penetration. Fast or heavy jeff?? I would also like to mention that the heavy, slow 400 spine impacts exactly where i want them to at 15 yards which is where id limit my range anyways
@@justnguyen228 absolutely true, you have to push the limits but not exceed them to have the perfect hunting arrow and that’s usually around 275 -300 grains of point weight👍🏻
I appreciate your breaking this down - very helpful. How far out are you shooting? 20-25 yds? I know that last one was 40, but were the first demo shots? Thanks!
I shoot 31 inch, 200 grain point,600 spine,weight total of 450 grain, it shoots 130 feet per second, but it's good enough for 25 yards, I don't hunt but love traditional bow shooting. The arrow delivers good impact even with the 130 feet speed. Sure you can hunt with it.
35lb bow, that's me. 60 inch long bow. Thanks for the video!
Thank you for these super informative videos Jeff! As a beginner that couldn't understand anything that you say two weeks ago, I'm starting to get the thing, but... I still confused when you usually use the GT Warrior 500 spine as a good example, ( 7.4GPI x28" shaft=207.2gr +250gr total point weight = 457.2gr arrow) but also say that the ideal arrow weight for hunting would be 550gr arrow, or at least 500gr arrow weight, for a #43 to #45 bow.
My question is, on that arrow set-up, would be possible to add more point weight to reach those sweet 500gr-550gr (it means going above 250gr point) or would be necessary to go down to 400 spine, for a 300gr total point weight?
@@aranha9365 yes sir exactly, I typically build a 500 cut 28” and run a 300 grains on front for hunting and wraps & lumenok which gets a warrior there, other slightly heavier shafts can get by with 250 grains on front and yes with my ILF aluminum risers I run a 400 spine because they’re cut way deeper than my longbows and some of the recurves 👍🏻
@@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998 Thank you so much for your fast reply.
Great video God bless you and everyone out there
I have Southwestern Archery Spyder XL 40# limbs on a 25" OMP riser. This gives an AMO of 68 and a draw weight of 38# at 31.5". I use Gold Tip Traditional full length (32") 400 shafts with 150 grain points and 114 grain inserts. Complete arrow weight is 600 grains. This consistently registers between 157 and 158 fps. My point-on (gap shooting) is 23 yards. I have not used this setup for hunting but have gotten reasonably accurate at 20 yards and under.
First answer, ? are you actually pulling 35 lbs at your draw length?
1916 aluminum would be my choice!
Thank you sir for another great informative video. You have pulled my rear end out of the fire more than i can count. I do have a question if i may. Does installing the long heavy onserts stiffen the spine of the arrow? I read somewhere they did but if it doesnt come out of your video...its questionable information.Thank you again. God bless
This was a great video proving that you don't need ridiculously high draw weight to kill a deer I shoot a hybrid recurve about 52 pounds and between 340-300 at 553 gr and was wondering if i should up my arrows spine or weight or if you thought it was good for what im doing as far as hunting and target shooting I'm not certain if it matters but I mostly shoot a 4mm - 5mm diameter arrow just depends on the distance my arrows are 31 in and my draw is about 29 in at the arrow rest and 30 in if you go from the burger button at where the burger is supposed to be
Has Sanlida sent you the new Hermit X8 ILF bow. Curious as to what you think?
Jeff, by far you are the most good information guy to watch! I love your low poundage talks and you are just spot on! I have shot better since watching you and all your great tips!
We are the same age, Jeff🏹
Like to see the same video with this bow but for a 3d/target arrow setup.
Good morning Jeff, I can't tell you how much I have enjoyed your channel. I have not shot my recurves for several years due to shoulder discomfort but after seeing your excellent videos, you have inspired me to pickup my recurve again. At 74 years young, I have retired most of my bows but I have acquired a set of limbs for my 60" black widow PSA recurve with the BW Dynaflight 97 string with a set of 42# @ 29" draw limbs and I would like to shoot the 200 grain Simmons shark broadhead, my draw length is 29". What size aluminum and carbon arrow would you recommend as a good starting point. Also most of your videos on light poundage bows all were shooting carbon arrows. Do you recommend carbon over aluminum in a light weight bow. May the Good Lord Bless you and your channel.
@@RobertBettenhausen thank you so much and I would recommend going with carbon arrows like Gold Tip Warrior or Easton Legacy in a 500 spine for your bow especially with the 29” draw and 42#👍🏻
I use a 35ib recurve with total weight 525 grain arrow I draw 30 arrow 31 inches long have not hunted with it yet I see your video and you get very technical about arrows and stuff but don't you think my arrow with 2 blade 100 gain broadhead
Would punch right through a deer as is with out getting fancy? At my draw length it like 36 37 last time I checked they fly straight
@@romanmax8561 that’s what’s most important! A true and straight flying arrow with a super sharp broadhead will do wonders if it doesn’t have to penetrate hard tissue and bone but the only way to find out for sure if it’s a deadly combination is to actually test it out on a deer inside 15 yards 👍🏻
Jeff: at Lancaster I just came across a new arrow that reads good. Altra Centrum 204 seamless 7.7gpi ever tested that one? A touch cheaper than the Airstrike too
@@Little-by-little-more hmm, I sure haven’t but they may be awesome!
What fps are you getting with each arrow?
I believe that Michigan has a 40# limit.
Hi mister addictive Archer . 😊 whats the most normal poundage u shoot (actual in hand when firring)
@@casperd6388 usually around 45#
Your best video sir!
Thanks!
Greetings. Thank You! Best info., that I have found/heard. Is there a web-site/e mail address available, for Arrows and other accessories? God Bless.
@@jodypunt9942 unfortunately not, we sold out the store and pro shop back in August 2022 and I’m semi retired now just traveling to shoots and enjoying the sport plus a lot of hunting lol
@@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998 Sounds wonderful... Thanks again for all that you do. God Bless...
Awesome video, brother!!👍👍😎
Would a 500 spine gt 100 gr insert 150 gr broadhead work with a 40# long bow at my draw (27-1/4) I’m probably at 37# draw weight would that be a decent white tail set up I use to shoot real heavy arrows over 700gr and recurves over 70# but that was many years ago I’ve been out of traditional for years I’m just getting back into after many shoulder injuries thanks for your videos they are really helpful and got me fired up to get back out there
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Great presentation Jeff 👏 👌 👍 🙌
Great videos
Thanks for the video Jeff
I don't think you can hunt with a 35lb bow in most states
@@tjhardison5150 I’m not sure about all but most do have a 35# minimum.
I need help with arrow setup for 70# Kodiak mag I’m currently shooting gt trad 300 spine 400 gains up front am I in the ballpark? Just asking before I bare shaft tune
Well the only thing I’ve experienced lately with all of the super heavy FOC builds is that anything beyond 300 grains of point weight starts causing nock high effects but I’ve s also only went up to a 340 spine and 60# bows so I honestly don’t know how that will do but it seems pretty close other than possibly too much point weight.
Well I found myself only drawing to 27 inches so 67-68# it likes 300 spine cut 28 1/2 carbon to carbon 300 up front. Couldn’t get rid of tail high with 400 up front! Thank you for all the great content you put out much appreciated!
@@john91083 yes sir!
Step up to 40#
A little off topic but wanted to let you know about the really heavy arrows that come with the Sanlida One Piece recurve. So I recently picked up a arrow saw. I cut the arrows down to 27.5 & change the tip to a 75 grain. Still heavy but shoots alot better. So I used the Sanlida arrows as practice before I cut down 2 dozen of the Sanlida Dragon 10 arrows.
@@charlesdudley5800 they are quite heavy lol.
Thanks 👍🇺🇸🇺🇸
Wish I could have seen you do the torch and glue stick 😊
@@timothycoulter2848 yes sir I use Gorilla hot melt sticks from Walmart and it’s honestly the best I’ve found yet!
Another awsome video. A close friend of mine hunts with 37 lbs and has no problems whatsoever. Hes extreamely anal about his broadheads being razors and touches them up before every hunt.....hes just as sucessful as i am shooting between 50 and 57 lbs.....