BMW R nineT Racer | Long Term Update | Motorcyclenews.com
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- Опубліковано 15 жов 2017
- MCN's Senior Editor, Matt Wildee has been living with BMW's new-for-2017 R nineT Racer this year. With all the style of a Savile Row suit, Matt describes what it's like to live with the boxer twin cafe racer as an everyday machine.
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I really like this guy. He looks like he was up till 5 in the morning having beers with his mates and then woke up at 8 A.M. to do the review. And it's a really good review.
You don’t by a cafe racer to be comfortable, practical or to carry luggage!
If I carry luggage it’s in my backpack.
The best looking and most solid retro cafe racer there is. The Triumph Thruxton is probably the closest rival and probably suits more people because of the riding position. However it is a diluted cafe racer and no where near a proper cafe racer. Cafe Racer’s are not built for comfort.
You can be comfortable enough so you can get back on it after a ride and not need a chiropractor 😂
Stunning looking bike. My favorite R9T variant by far.
I love my racer and find its good for stretching my back. I took it on a tour from England to Istanbul and back last summer, not a single problem.
I brought a white one in 2019 (a mint S upgraded model with 600 miles on the clock for £7250 from those nice folk at Bahnstormer ) and put Helle raised bars on it and the footrests from the R9T road bike, which interchange perfectly, the result is a very usable back road scratcher which is no longer a mobile torture chamber. With the Akropovitch can and the integrated seat hump indicators and plate holder, plus a bubble screen the bike looks absolutely superb and at under 5ft 7" fits me like a glove . It is such fun to ride and on long sweepers I am touching down the side of my boot, this is definitely a keeper and everything BMW wanted it to be.
Cool, objective long-term review. The guy seems so genuine!
Thanks for this great video, it significantly contributed to me buying a R9T Racer. Personally I do not feel the need to upgrade the suspension. It works fine for me, even in fast corners with a little bit of bumpy asphalt. If you really want to ride it like a super bike and brake it to the max while at the same time downshifting a couple a gears while leaning into the apex, the rear may try to overtake you. But then, that is just not what the bike is about. It's an absolutely stunning machine which looks gorgeous and has more than enough grunt to make you go really fast. Also there is no need for an aftermarket exhaust to me. The standard exhaust has been engineered to pass the homologation test but is quite loud outside those boundaries. You'll love to slowly close the throttle and hear the exhaust rumble like it is an old fighter plane. And as for riding position, it's somewhat stretched out and takes some time to get used to. But I can do easily 3 hours on the bike after which it's time to refuel anyway.If you're looking for a track bike, it is not for you. If your looking for a super cool quality made café racer which attracts a lot of thumbs up along the way, just go for it.
Agree :) Love it
Agree I Love mine -- awesome torque
Agree, the riding position needs to get used too. Building it up a bit but what a wonderful bike. Love mine
You’re right on the money. No bike can do everything. That being said, the racer does many things, indeed
That's beautiful. Love it 👍👍
Enjoyed this review! Definitely prefer the longer term reviews to the test rides. Looking for a 2nd bike to have shorter rides and fun on. This one looks great
great bike, love it, like the Thruxton R, and the now old Ducati Classic Sport 1000LE Paul Smart.
I really enjoy mine and I’m 6’3”, wonderfully sorted machine
With this kind of reach required it’s probably an advantage.
Best motorcycle review I have ever seen... period.
Love the sound
Great video thanks :)
Nice review, i experience the same with my ninet racer. After about 1 hour it is time to stop for a cup of coffee and look at it again. Never had so many people standing around to look at it with any motorbike. Some see it for the first time which suprises me since they are around already for a few years. Maybe they are scarce. Heard they stopped production 😢
It was a dream bike for me. I absolutely love the style. With lower pegs and higher bars there is no discomfort penalty for the amazing looks.
My only gripes after couple of years owning the bike are:
1-suspension is basic and feels harsh and soft at the same time. Easily fixed as shown in the video.
2- lack of power. Don’t get me wrong, it has adequate power but not enough to scare you or entertain you. No power wheelies out of corners for this bike. No available fix as of yet.
I was looking for a retro bike and had one of these to test for an afternoon back in the summer.
It's drop dead gorgeous. I could spend hours just looking at it.
The motor is a real stonker too. More than adequate low down grunt and things get quite interesting after 6,000 revs which encouraged me to ride hard.
However, it is still a heavy-ish bike, I didn't think it was that nimble and bloody hell, that riding position..... If i'm spending that kind of money I want to at least be able to ride it for a couple of hours without it crippling me.
It wouldn't be a commuter friendly tool either (if you were ever mad enough to want to ride it into work) as that is one wide engine sticking out which discourages filtering.
If I won the lottery i'd buy one, but back in the real world I took my hard earned cash elsewhere.
As much as I would have liked the spoked wheels still glad I picked the solid rims for my Pure....I would love to see a video of someone comparing the Pure with the version with the Ohilins
I love mine.
I love who it looks, and I love the wieght of the R9t's everything on them feels perfect. However when I sat on this, the weight of it felt completely different like i was going to drop it.
Good video. Could you add some notes about how it compares to a conventional sportsbike in terms of performance? Would it be able to keep up with an R6?
look at all the people bashing the bike.. im sure not even 1% can ride it to the max where the suspension starts to be a limmiting factor.
Dominique Basscenter same for a ferrari but you woulnt tolerate suspension from a tractor. Premium prices for a premium product or gtfp
Andy Skinner S perfectly adequate. Well sign me up immediately.
Andy Skinner S its called an ANALOGY. Have someone look that up for you and read the definition for you.
@Andy Skinner why do you think ppl changes bikes so often. Because the technology moves that quickly or fashion? Ppl like to fiddle, personalise, believe they know better what works for them despite not being professional set-up guys. QED -Ohlins.
@Andy Skinner no the point is that you're attempt to change it from this video/this motorcycle to any motorcycle which is a globalisation fallacy. I answered the point you raised, as you raised it. Nothing I said is made up, its empirically observable. Do decals affect a bike performance? Still a market for them.Mototcycles are much more about fashion than you seem to realise, suggesting you;re not a biker, which I am.
I’m sold, I want one!
By the way, the Germans (ABM) have elaborated a kit of clip-ons which let you open and raise the grips into much more comfortable position. And with Gilles rearsets fully adjustable (and superbly crafted in black, btw…), you can really transform the pain into pure joy. They worth the money hands down…
Man spreading at its finest 😀 great review
Was at Donnington on a track day, quite a few of these there, bloody blasting round against 4cyl 1000`s etc and dint seem 2 slow compared to the 1000`s? Can get a 2nd hand one for 7-9k with lots of goodies etc Had BMW flat twins, wished I`d not sold me R1100S tremendous value for money 2nd hand back in the day. . .
with the coffee great :D
HA! You're surely not suggesting that RnineT owners spend their time drinking overpriced stool water and looking at their bikes rather than riding are you?
I added Helibars 50mm higher 50mm back, transforms it ,great bike!
I'm sad that BMW chose to discontinue this bike. They call this their heritage line and in that vein I'd love to see this in 1973 R90S Daytona Orange and red pinstripes. I will have one someday and I will do this to it!
Love mine. Few tweaks here and there. I don’t find the position that much worse then some other sport bikes
Is there a passenger seat under the cover at the tail?
Would have one of these but for the riding position.
I have to say, this was a fantastic review by Matt Wildee.
Hey friend I thank that's one cool bike 😊I see it's a one men bike enjoy your bike and have a bless day, 😚😃😄😅😆😎
Love it, but at 6'2", I just don't fit. I took one out for a test spin, but it was a world of pain from my waist down :-(
so is it for a short person then cause it seems the mods were too lift it cause he seems like 6ft something
Arnold Navarro short person with long arms!
I am 6'4 and have one myself, I find the aggressive posture sooths out to what is essentially a standard. You can also get different rearsets or bar risers. But hey, I have not had any problems.
how tall r u ? is it comfortable than thruxton R ? and why there is no inverted forks for better cornering?
yes good question!!!
Serious question. What if you drop/slide this?
There's crash protection available. But your answer would be 'not cheap'.
dont drop it ?
Great review, knowledgeable reviewer!
kolokolok 2016 knowledgeable in respect of what?
It needs cruise control. Then riding position is a moot point. I commute on my S1000RR & the 8 hour ride is no problem with cruise control. Or 3 hours to Phillip Island do a track day and ride home. Cruise control is key.
You commute 8 hours??
IgWannA2 No I meant the occasional 8 hour trip is doable. commute is 25-45 minutes depending on which site I'm working at.
I'm pretty sure the S1000RR is more comfortable than this bike. My friend has one and an 09 ZX10R and the R9T is less comfortable.
Inane Observations wow I wouldn't have thought it was possible to do such a long journey on a superbike, I guess Cruise Control really is key
no bike 'needs' cruise control, certainly not this one. And doing so much commuting on an s1000, you just bought the wrong bike straight up
Spencer Arai - class
Chicken strips on rear tyre 🤫….. think those suspension mods gave you the confidence to really push it 😂😂😂
Do you think it would be a good starter bike?
Hell no 😂
Well this peculiarity of the crank and its tilting properties are dont require a long term test to be experienced.
1hr of ride time before it becomes painful?
Not for me. Looks good but that is all.
Surely there must be something wrong if you spend over £12 grand on a top end motorcycle and then you have to spend more money because it doesn't ride properly out of the box to change tyres, front suspension and rear suspension to get it to ride properly. I don't get it, how can you wax lyrical about a production bike that's not right, yet you have to make it right. 🤔🤔🤔🤔
Mikey mike. Totally agree mate. All that money and you can still only ride it for an hour before it cripples you. Obviously, it's aimed at people with more money than sense.
billiardballhead fandango defo mate. 👌
Agreed. If something is wrong with it just say so. Inform people on how to make the adjustments. However, it must be difficult to do that while sitting on BMW’s dick. See if that gets any replies haha.
they cant tell its a bad nike because dealer wouldnt let them have another one :D its an advertisement... if they tell bike is bad, they dont get other bikes and no bikes means no reviews...
Andy S no point in answering you coz u defend the bike you own.
How much is the bike & more importantly, how much were the mods? BMW is a premium brand; if I bought one, I wouldn’t want to have to get my hand in my pocket to upgrade forks, shocks etc. Ouch! 😖
I was thinking the same, that's quite some suspension upgrades which on any bike would make a serious difference in the way it performs. I would have preferred the review on a stock bike.
Tubed tires? Hasn't BMW figured out how to have a tubeless spoked wheel?
Same as Mark painful/uncomfortable to ride unless you’re doing 90mph, and I don’t want to spend another 2k on a 12k bike, same money as my ZZR1400!
I wonder why they do not use the standard rninet's front fork. this is race version isn't it ? it's rummy.
Can take a trip down europe on it, or is it more god for short trips.
Where are these roads?!?! Looked good
I heard they aren’t making these for 2021. Thought I had more time to find and buy one.
There are plenty of low mileage second hand RnineT racers available which are as good as new. I don’t think the RnineT range is quite the same without it and I am not selling mine !! 🇬🇧🏍
@@stewy62 I found a brand new bike for $10k. It’s an 2018 model with 6 miles on it. It’s the one I’ve been looking at but 10k is still a lot of money.
@@TeensierPython mine was £10k two and a half years ago, 70 miles on the clock half of which I did on a test ride. They weren’t flying off the shelf then either and if your dealer has any sense they’ll make you an offer. If you do buy the bike I hope you enjoy it 🇬🇧🏍
@@stewy62 10k pounds is around 13k US dollars.
is this now out of production?
Yep, sadly
As an ex owner, some words of warning. This is a fun bike with a great engine. BUT. But BMW aint what they used to be. Mine had umpteen warranty fixes on 4 rear ABS sensors, rear light cluster, corrosion on the timing cover and alternator driveshaft and bearings, three kill switches failed and a tank sensor. After the warranty ran out, each time it was serviced by the dealer or the bike was MOT’d, more expensive problems turned up, it became a money pit. The last straw was an MOT failure due to a second rear disk wearing out in 34,000 miles on a fully dealer serviced bike and the drive shaft pinion and crownwheel wearing out, £1,500 worth of repairs. The disk was blamed by the dealer on me touching the brake pedal and riding on it, which was poppycock, my foot rests
nowhere near it. The fault was with the brake calliper. Servicing is expensive as well, needing three seperate lots of oil. I cannot really recommend BMW to anyone.
BMW motorcycles have had warranty claims and recalls for a long time.
The gearbox's soft 1st gear has thrown me numerous times,..
I can't get used to the feel of where the gears are without having to check the dash.
Annoying
Ouch, gtx332, does this mean you're not going to share your moisturiser with me anymore?
yes, you can borrow the moisturiser, no doubt your hands need it. to be fair the old air cooled r1200r isnt so bad (i was a bit harsh). A good useful bike with a few funny angles. Back end doesn't match the front end. The classic version was the closest thing to a good looking version of it. I have the R1200r LC version
Clunky shifting noise reduced by shorter final gear ratio.
Refined drive train illusion created at the expense of a high consumption.
Break fluid change is a pain in the arse.
mcn never run a bike down , because they have bmw adverts and bmw invite them to review and sell there bikes in the mag
Yeah lovely..
Can anyone actually buy one?
No - children under 12 cant buy them and people in wheelchairs have a hard time.
Obviously not in winter with that bent fairing
Top speed ???
probably shy north or south of 200km/h.
Alot of modifications to make it great (?)
Andy S there will always be room for personal modifications. that doesn't mean it's improvements
Yeah, "Nimbler" with that "Tall Centre of Gravity"
Just like those MOTO GP Bikes with their HIGH CENTRE OF GRAVITY..
GIZ A JOB MCN...
Beautifully displaying your ignorance about physics, bravo
Storage? It’s called a backpack on something like this
We didn't even get to see you actually sat on the bike and the riding position unfortunately.
It seems its too small for you. Isn't it?
Fam
sat on this at a dealer, day on the s1000rr too
why would you even look at this twice
Because it's cool
And I Hat the XR style so forget it.
Tubed tires.....?
You've got to be kidding me !
Someone has to tell BMW we're in 2017
andree hammerschmidt seriously
I was surprised to know tubed tires
Never put you helmet on the ground
The most uncomfortable bike I’ve ever ridden. Couldn’t wait to get off it. The riding position is just ridiculously extreme. So stretched out. That said, owners who get used to it, love it.
How is the XSR9 uncomfortable? it it because you are tall or just soft, Nancy.
*oil cooled
reviewer looks hungover as f**k.
Yeah gotta pass on this one. Like the others have mentioned for a premium bike the upgrades should be included.
The gear change is dog poo such a long action.The whole time on the test ride i thought it would be easy to do it yourself
The gear change was buttery smooth on my test ride bike...
@@gelul12 Bury Hill test ride I'm sure your test ride gear change was like silk and your an Moto Gp rider and fantastic and super duper etc
@@RogueBrit salty one aint ya. Just stating facts as i experienced them
@@gelul12 as did I lool
@@gelul12 I have a k1200s and silky is something I'd never associate with a BMW Motorrad gearbox
The Boxer engine is no good for a sports bike.
Surely the whole goal of a MCN review is for the professional (buyer) to give the novice (buyer) guidance with their decision to buy/not buy a STOCK motorbike.
I want/wanted a Racer however after watching this awful review I'm totally put off. MCN have changed the total riding characteristic of this machine therefore the review is of a non-stock bike. You don't even offer upgrade costing guidance.
Please show the"majority" buying public a before review and then a post mod review as all you're doing here is putting potential R nine T Racer buyers off spending their hard earned wages on this beautiful bike ! I'm certain that when BMW offered you this "Free" review bike that you weren't going to totally rubbish it's original design ..............
I 100% wanted a Racer but I'm now looking at alternatives .............Thanks Matt/MCN !
You sad old git
Form over function. Not for me.
It's function is "go fast" while looking retro.
Sorry to see it go but NOT going to Purchase it!!
I'd Love to ride it for free for ages.. Probably couldn't say anything bad about it.
It is NOT "An interesting Torque Reaction" it IS a dangerous design flaw.
Ha yes, its going to kill you 'dangerous design flaw' Good one.
thanks for your expert analysis. if you've ever ridden a boxer twin, you'd know they only perform the 'dangerous design flaw' when you are free revving it while standing still. But I guess experience comes from actually having ridden a bike.
No, not everybody loves a cafe racer
This bike is just a styling exercise and should stay that way. Unless you're some rich fop like David Beckham why spend 12k on something which is uncomfortable to ride after one hour? Can't get a girlfriend on the back and can't fit any luggage. This is a useless toy. Get a BMW R1200r, pre 2014 -ish. Same engine, same shaft drive, gyroscope handling, perfect riding position, great for pillions, hard and soft luggage available. I've got one and feel like I never need to buy another bike (assuming I don't stuff it up a tree or similar).
Dont suppose you've ridden this? 1200r pre 2014 looks like a rhino mated with a mule - but as looks don't matter to you, I guess it will do.
are you actually speaking english 😂
the dude is so drunk
In plain English, riding position Sucks! Who ever designed it should be canned!
Pure BS, what a failure of a bike if it can't be ridden for an hour. Why not spend time reviewing good machines with good R&D like Ducatis and not pushing BMW. brand
Andy S , no need to get emotional, it is just a bike for crying out loud. How did you come to the conclusion that I thought this video wasn't about a BMW. You've proven yourself to be the moron, not only that, a dumbfounded pillock. If you can ride it all day good for you, it's a good looking bike no doubt. Good day to you sir.
speaking of pushing, most of my friends with ducati's spend their time pushing them to the repair shop,
Ducati and comfortable ??? in what decade lol