P3D v4.5 vs P3D v5 - Side by Side Performance Benchmark
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- Опубліковано 5 лют 2025
- Its been a long time everyone! Hope you are well! Just put together quick side by side of v4.5 and v5. This is a Lockheed Martin beta build so performance will likely be better after release. I haven't posted a video since the 787 came out, but look forward to making more soon. Take care!
P3D Professional Plus
Add-ons
Orbx KSAN
Orbx Southern California
Realair Duke Turbine v2 - No longer sold
Hardware
Intel I9 7900x
16 GB Ram
Nvidia GTX 1080ti
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Wow, didn’t think you were still making videos. Welcome back.
Hey, thanks!
The liquid smoothness of P3D V5 has me sold, just waiting for all my collections to be transfer ready, waiting on a couple of devs, including PMDG and A2A. Thank you for this awesome video!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Don't waste your money
@@trip5003 what do you mean?
plane_to_the_spotting don’t listen to him. PMDG just updated the 747 queen of the skies v2 and NGXu to v5 today. I bought V5 and it’s awesome. Enjoy
When I was still using FS2004 (about 6 years ago, in the middle of the P3Dv3 era) I saw your videos for the first time. I had just upgraded to a new gaming computer and your videos had me really excited about making the move to P3D. I ran out and started buying a lot of the add-ons I saw you using. The one I really wanted I couldn’t buy because it was no longer sold was the Duke Turbine. It’s amazing that that aircraft still works all these years, and two updates later. It’s a real shame that RealAir stopped selling that aircraft.
Great video Jordan! I'm amazed at how you seamlessly spliced them together, well done.
Glad you enjoyed it
So awesome to have you back, you made some of the best and informative videos out there.
I appreciate that!
So glad you are back! Please make more videos. Love your content!
Thank you! Will do!
Thanks for posting this video as you saved me the 60 bucks and the many hours of reinstalling all of my addons. I hope the folks from P3D scope out these videos because because the combination of this minor improvement, the pending competition and lack of acknowledging current patrons with some sort of discount is not going to bode well for them.
Great to see you back! I've always been a big fan of your videos.
Glad you like them!
I'm still not sold on V5 however, so good to see one of my very favourite planes here the Realair Duke turbine, still after all the years one of the best twin turbine addons available. Realair were way ahead of the pack.
Really well done video Jordan, V5 still has some issues to be sorted especially with TrueSKY.
Thanks Rob!
Good to see you back in action. Looking forward to seeing you taking MFS2020 through its paces.
Excellent comparison thankyou!
Thanks for watching!
Yay you’re back! Hoping to see you fly some more of the PMDG 777 :P
Great video! I can now see that the CPU stayed at 100% most of the time in V4 but V5 really release a lot of work from CPU to GPU.
Very true!
With DirectX 12, there's less API overhead for draw calls, so the GPU isn't waiting for stuff to do. That was the main problem with P3D v4 and even FSX. Autogen now has little to no impact on framerates thanks to DirectX 12. Before you could easily half your framerate with it using DirectX 9, 10, or 11. Although, for some reason, the scenery complexity is still framerate intensive. Not sure why. Autogen density is no longer framerate intensive.
Jordan King Is Alive!!!!!!!! great to have you back.
Lol. Thanks!
From what is seen in this video, acft exterior and interior, including instrument panel & instruments themselves seem to look sharper and with better contrast. On top of that, there is the better frame rate.
Nice!
Nice to hear you again, after long time!
Hey, thanks!
The fact LM did not give current v4 users an upgrade path is a big mistake. The change is not drastic enough to move off 4.5. MSFS2020 here we come!
It's not called MSFS2020, and tbh with the current alpha state and many issues we are encountering and reporting to them, I would be astonished if it made even a Q4 release of 2020
Yes 2021 is the current date for release from all the leaks I have heard.
@@DarylJerabek There are no leaks, not even on the internal forum so your sources are just guesses.
Well my take is, not only will FS2020 take at least half a year to release, but it will take time before people get the add-ons they want, especially studysim addicts. So, v5, while not a strong upgrade, is still a good option to indulge in for those who still want something more during the wait. Even if the adoption rate won't be high, it is enticing in its own right.
Not a strong upgrade....changes not drastic enough...
Okay I have to !
Look folks, I suggest you take it easy with such comments.
The P3Dv5 is a very big deal, although you maybe don't realize it yet.
DirectX 12 is....oh damn I cannot express enough how big it is !
And what's coming in the next point releases now when all the necessary things for truly advanced simulator of the future are finalized - and during the previous 2 years they finalized these:
- 64bit platform
- PBR materials
- new lighting and great volumetric atmospherics (ground lighting casts light at the clouds, we can now add the famous path tracing shader and have the best DX12 ray-tracing ever seen in any simulator)
- all vector and landclass data of the whole planet finally updated from the 2006. old one to the current 2020. so well that they made ORBX Vector obsolete !!
- brand new high-resolution mesh for the whole planet out of the box that is so good that PILOT's Software worked on a brand new superior version of their FS Global mesh and increased its resolution to the insane LOD15 (!!!)...just in order to again be better than the default P3Dv5 !
- default GPS devices finally have full functionality such as SIDs and STARs and VNAV and fixes and what not
- a brand new physics model is coming, starting with the new contact point physics in this release which means realistic taxi, touchdown and roll behavior, precise wheel behavior, realistic ground bumps and friction, actual sloped surfaces that influence physical behavior of an aircraft as it should be, etc.
- realistic movement of winds across the water and hard surfaces (did you see how it looks in P3Dv5 when a strong wind blows across the ocean, and the surface ocean layer is being blown and sprayed in the direction of the wind, hitting the waves, producing the foam, etc...nVidia WaveWorks 2.0...and trust me the water that you saw in these videos is nothing compared to how good it can look by just increasing the detail level of the WaveWorks parameter from the sim cfg...when the community and 3rd party devs start playing with all these new toys...if you have at least 1080TI and a good CPU...cool...)
- and of course the biggest of all these things that wraps everything up - a brand new engine, after 15 years a whole brand new DirectX 12 core that offers things you really cannot imagine - they really surprised us folks from the profession with that, because it is a huge undertaking that they've been working on for the previous 3 years...huge amount of engineering and programming...huge...
It opens not only insane graphical capabilities and almost DOUBLE the performance. but also FULL multi-core and GPU utilization (now you can use all your 64 cores if you want and it will run like crazy...if you have like 2 strong GPUs to render all that work from all those cores, finally a full use of all the resources).
The new DX12 core also brings us selective multi-adapter rendering which means that you can have full power of 2 or more GPUs (and if LM finalizes that DX12 feature, multiple GPUs from different vendors or so called hybrid mGPU environment...talk about using AMD and nVidia together in the same machine, and everybody say the performance in various tests is better than when using nVidia+nVidia or AMD+AMD, imagie that).
Also coming are the options to one GPU to render display 1, the other display 2...and DX12 is especially great for VR because it can use one GPU for the left eye, the second GPU power for the right eye
Finally a very important thing to mention, we now have very nice frame times, which means very smooth simulation, no more stutters, lags, etc.
And all these things are just a small part of what's now possible with P3Dv5.
Some started calling it P5D - and that ain't a bad naming at all.
That's why I told you - just go slowly and explore the new sim, read and learn about what it is so special about DirectX 12 and Prepar3D v5.
I am a senior scientist, so I already know.
Good to see you back..
Thank you!
Great job, glad to see you back. Keep it up
game aside, ur music choices are just amazing !
Agree with most here.Nice video but other than a few tweaks I can't see too much differences..Invested a lot in P3dV4.5...Think I'll wait for FS2020 at this stage.Cheers for showing..
Fair enough!
It's great to see you back Jordan, nice video too. I would have thought you would have made Videos on MFS2020
Eventually I hope too. Was really busy with work and life.
Welcome back dude
Hey, thanks
The King is back ... good to know ! :-)
Lol. Thanks!
Welcome back Jordan!
Thank you!
Best p3d performance comparison available right now. Thanks for the video.
Ok, so v5 removed cloud shadows. That's a shame. Great music. Gives me the vibe of a stevo1kinevo video. P. S. That's some really impressive editing!
they are stil there, but not that visible
This was a beta build. The darkened them in the RC.
Very interesting how you did this, thanks.
Glad you liked it!
Excellent video. Glad to see you back. I prefer v4.5 cloud textures.
Thanks! Happy to be back!
Time to say farewell to this platform, if I where to add up all of my p3d licences it would total to £1,000.00 ...and that's NOT including any ADD-ONS!!..just let that sink in for a minute.
Meanwhile I just updated my Xplane 11 to a Totaly new engine in Vulkan..for FREE!!.
Xplane 11 and MS2020 will both be the only flight Simms I use from now on.
Good bye Lockheed, it's been....a stuttery and expensive time knowing you.
I know what you mean. I don't think there's any other software that I have thrown more money at. Also, developing for FSX or P3D is a nightmare. The code is antiquated and God help anyone creating an xml gauge. The documentation is incomplete, there's no editor that can highlight syntax errors and it uses non-standard mathematic expressions called reverse polish notation. So instead of writing a simple assignment like 'A = B + C', you would write an absurdly unintuitive 'B C (>A) + ' That's ok for short things but any calculation more than a few lines long becomes unreadable.
I only hope that Microsoft have abandoned away this burden of antiquated legacy code in the new FS2020. A clean, modern approach is needed.
@@JasonJason210I 100% agree, the old antiquated methodology of that code should never be seen again.
However I believe that FS2020 is still based off parts of that code, they said they discarded at least half of it though.
But Asobo know what they are doing here, they have made a great looking racing car Simm in the past...Simms are what they excelle at so I'm fairly confident in there approach...I think the less Microsoft has to do with it....the better:)...just use there servers and tell them to sit back down:).
And yeah it's certainly the most money I've invested in a software platform...crazy over the many years when I think about it.
That's one of things that felt like a breath of fresh air when I first tried Xplane 11...ortho scenery..Free, aircraft from community like Zibo 737 Free, just so many great things to use that don't cost anything and the payware products are cheaper too.
I have a dreaded feeling things like payware aircraft from the likes of PMDG won't be cheap for MS2020...think I'll be staying away from them now...don't want to be going back to the old days of throwing money at the Simm.
It is interesting to see that throughout the video, it would appear that V5 has offload a lot of work from the CPU and dropped it onto the GPU. Im not really sure for myself if that approx 10fps average and some of the visual effects warrants another purchase of P3d. 2020 is definitely going to be a major year for the Flight Sim community.
Agreed, my CPU is running at about 50% and much cooler which is awesome for streaming, VATSIM, plugins, etc which require some CPU capacity.
Looks good I'm waiting a few weeks
How does one achieve playing both games side by side with the exact movements synched up?
Has to be on some sort of automated flight script and then run it in both programs?
This is like comparison between GTA IV and GTA V
By looking at this it makes no big sense to switch to v5.. too much headache for not so much difference. I think MSFS2020 has more potential, especially when I am looking at the ground scenery and the graphical engine. Still, I will analyze this again when FS2020 will be out, because I still invested a lot of money in v4 addons which will be v5 compatible, hopefully at no extra costs (except FSUIPC, which is fine).
Totally agree
@John SmithGreat response:)
Love the chill music.
I think it might really depends on your specs. In v4 i had in a given area 35 FPS and in v5, same Scenario, same plane, same ORBX stuff, same airport, weather, time etc. and I had 65 FPS with even higher settings.
what are ur specs and what plane did u use?
I was also using the beta build, so the final build is likely better
@@JordanKingGaming There are those who are in the know and those who aren't ;) Glad you're still trucking along.
First off, I hope you are well. I used to follow you in the old FSX days (another channel). I've noticed that you haven't done a video in about 3 years. Are you still making videos? Hope so, because yours were the best. Hope all is well with you and the family. Take care...(3/18/24).
Hey rb, I am putting out a new video in 24 hours. I will probably start making more this year. Thanks for your well wishes.
@@JordanKingGaming You're very welcome.
I don't see enough improvement here to be worthy of buying a new copy. Think I will stick with V4 and then check out MSFS2020.
Ross G - MSFS2020 fans are starting to annoy me.
@@JasonJason210 that makes you a P3D fanboy instead. MSFS2020 is just better
@@darkshadow7709 I haven't said anything about MSFS2020, as I don't know an awful lot about it yet, nor about the nature of the platform which it will be available through. Microsoft may yet cancel the project..it won't be the fist time. I hope it's great. However, so far it seems to be attracting a lot of kids and immature comments.
@@JasonJason210 Idk where you're seeing those "immature" comments from mere "kids" honestly. Everyone is happy and excited about what Microsoft is blessing us with. They've set a new standard for flight sims and comparing it to even X-Plane 11 is not fair at the moment. Lockheed Martin needs to seriously step up their game to really compete with them. By no means I'm saying these platforms are bad, I personally love all of them
@@darkshadow7709 I'm concerned that Microsoft will monopolise this market, for two reasons. Firstly, they have a history of killing off technologies and software without warning. It happened to FSX when they sacked the Aces studio, it happend with Flight and it can happen again...this time after they've put companies like ORBX out of business. And then what? The other reason for my cocnern is that they will have control of the marketplace. What if this is released through Windows Store only, as a UWP application? Not only would they then have full control over all our money, but they would also have control over third party add-ons. This is what they tried to do with Flight and they'll probably try something similar with 2020. So while I don't doubt that this will be an exceptional simulator, I am wary of the conditions that may be imposed on us to use it, and also how it will affect the rest of the simulation industry. That's why I don't get excited after seeing a few showcase videos. I want 2020 to be everything we all hope it will be, but at the same time, I remain aware of how this could lead to a monoploy that could ruin the simulation market. I want X-Plane and LM and their third party developers to continue to be successful.
You people do realize you can just download the game the same way most people in the world download movies and series? You don't have to "wait", try it out and if you like it and want to support the developers, buy it, if not, don't. You don't buy a car before a test drive, do you? Again, if you find it immoral, just delete it afterwards, but it makes no sense to wait for who knows what, when you can try it out right now and right now decide whether to buy it or not.
Pretty good performance improvement. I'd buy this if FS2020 hadn't been announced!
How many other ppl came here for the video but stayed for the music????
i stopped simming for a year now, but seeing my fav ga aircraft beechcraft duke makes me want to fly again xD
Missed you.
Still Subscribed
Glad you are back Jordan! Have you had a chance to fly X-Plane 11 yet?
Me: Mom can we have Microsoft flight Sim 2020?
mom: no we have mfs 2020 at home
mfs at home:
Lol
3D volumetric clouds are pretty difficult to get right unless you use an off the shelf solution like trueSKY. This is something Asobo are incredibly proud of. P3D V5 I'm not really a fan judging by the video, infact I much prefer the V4.5 clouds, maybe it's too early to judge. There are some nice improvements in the lighting and ground object clarity is great but is this enough? X-Plane + Orbx True Earth is now very compelling VR with the Valkan update and there is a little simulator Microsoft are making which will make some waves I think.
where ya been?
Seems to me the lack of cloud shadows is the reason for the FPS gain. If cloud shadows return to V5 I would be interested to see this same comparison.
There are cloud shadows. They just aren't as dark as v4. TrueSky still needs a little work regardless.
Still not sold to v5 even if I have it already installed, I stay with 4.5 +rex +orbX +etc etc etc
Really useful video, looks like about 10fps gain (I prefer v4.5 clouds though). What benchmarking software are you using, please?
Hi Jordan, if you are willing to share, what software do you use to be able to do this side by side comparison? I'd like to try and do one of my own if I ever get a 3080 card. Thank you for posting great videos
Uninstalled V5 didn't see much of any performance improvment on my PC. To lazy to wait and them move everything over to v5. I will use v4 until FS2020 is out.
Nice but I would have liked to se individual core usage, since that always was a problem with FSX/P3D and DX12 is supposed to improve that.
I have i5 9300H , GTX 1650 and 16GB ram , what do you recommend? V4.5 or V5?
Bro, where have you been...
Work and life! Hope to make more videos soon!
I am not going to spend again money buying every year new version.Every year they offer new version for some fps more than the old one and give us the nightmare of all addon compatibility as well to change pc hardware .
Version 4 has been out for three years now, and a lot of add-ons are compatible between 4 and 5
@@jeremiahlethbridge3654 I have bought all editions from 1 to 4 as well many add-ons
@@TheoHeli-B Not saying you haven't mate. Read my first reply again until you understand what I'm saying
Despite all I will switch to new Microsoft flight simulator when released
@@TheoHeli-B Alright, great. Still not my point but okay
Great ! Thanks. What's the tool you're using to show cpu/gpu ?
Its beta version of the Windows 10 performance monitor. You can get it in Windows 10 through the Xbox app
I have a v5 licence but won't be using it for some time if at all. I don't want the hassle of changing yet and not everything is smooth. Add ons have slight issues also. Then we have ms2020 which I think most are holding off for.
I also don't think it looks that good. Yes performance is a little better but I prefer v4 more. I'm a v4 for now and I have v5 sat there.
Whatever makes you happiest as a consumer is what you should do. V5 certainly has some time to mature.
@@JordanKingGaming you got that right. Once the add ons start to slot in and I know which are a free upgrade and which are not I might then consider
I can't decide if the new clouds are actually better or not. Although they look less artificial, they seem flat and formless to me. What do you guys think?
I will wait to see how they look with a proper weather engine.
I have P3D v.4 with Rex4 + FTXGlobal + FSXWX (Weather) = Awesome!!!
And i see you are using in speed trees in both which are a performance killer
But TrueSky is not required if you use Active Sky and sky/cloud textures.
The increase in performance looks significant but not substantial.
Main benefit if CPU hits 100 percent less, is reduced stuttering and better Autogen drawing. So how are these elements ?
It's about a 20-30% increase and far less stuttering.
Any chance of a comparison with something like the FSL A320 at Atlanta or someplace similar?
I recorded this before V5 was released so unfortunately I wasn't able to include those addons. However ORBX So Cal and KSAN is pretty good indicator of performance and stress.
nice job, on top show FPS and CPU info what software ?
Its beta version of the Windows 10 performance monitor. You can get it in Windows 10 through the Xbox app
Wow two years now this.
Better late than never
Nice video but I noticed that in V5 you have not the shadows on the ground due to the clouds compared with V4. Is it correct?
This was a beta build. It is darker in the full release.
P3Dv5: Look! I got five more frames!
XP-11 w/ Vulkan: I'm gonna destroy this man's whole career...
That is 30% in FPS increase with TrueSky and new NVidia WaterWorks. In XP 11.50 you get 30% FPS increase with exact same look.
@Simon Young Hmm, no, I got +20fps increase across the board with Vulkan over OpenGL in XP11.50beta. Sometimes more. And I have my settings cranked higher.
if xplane actually did something with there weather engine id be all on board, but its actual crap
@@JoeBlow-vv9ml Well there are some fantastic addons for XPlane that give great weather... you are used to paying for a zillion stuff with P3D, there is pay-for addons for XPlane...
It does increase frames but xp11 sim is still garbage
I will stick with Xplane 11. More realistic flight Physics
Interesting, I cannot see a large difference between the two. What’s your thoughts on the V5? Is it worth the upgrade costs. I’ve not used P3D in 5 months, since switching to Xplane and I’m very happy with its visuals and performance. Whilst I still have a lot of money invested in to P3D addons, I’m wary about investing into V5.
I'm a pilot in Flight School and I suggest stay with X-Plane 11. Use that 60 dollars for msfs2020.
I think it performs better and as long as your addons are compatible and you can afford it, is worth the upgrade. However, in the next year when FS2020 launches it will likely be obsolete.
I like more v4
Nothing wrong with that!
First song name?
Nice 👍 what was the average FPS?
You can see the average FPS in the performance windows at the top right and left of the video.
@@JordanKingGaming Yeah, I didn't notice until I enlarged the screen . Good work👍
Hi,what software are you using for metering frame rates please ?
Its beta version of the Windows 10 performance monitor. You can get it in Windows 10 through the Xbox app
Thanks for your kindness 👍
is that without add-on Jordan ?
"Merci" for your excellent work. But I can't decide between my full (Orbx, Rex, ActiveSky) prepar3d v4 and a naked v5. I tried it and so many crashes (i7 4770 16go ddr3 gtx1060 3go ddr5).
Just wait that every addons be compatible.
Nice video, but it would be helpful to post PC specs. I couldn’t find them anywhere
Sorry. In the description
Apart from the cloud upgrade, I really can't detect a major change in P3Dv5 that would justify paying $100 + for this sim...all over again. The default scenery itself still is inferior to X Plane sorry to say..Hard to imagine a major conglomerate like Lockheed Martin continues to be satisfied playing >second fiddle" to Larimar Research.
Laminar has been working hard on their sim and I hope 2020 is successful for them.
What program are you using to show FPS, etc in the corner?
Its beta version of the Windows 10 performance monitor. You can get it in Windows 10 through the Xbox app
Can you share your APP for show FPS and %Mem? Please!
What's the difference? It doesn't really matter . Do I live in 2020?
Truesky, performance, and sloped runways. Thats the major stuff.
did you use chaseplane?
Personally I am not going to invest anymore into P3D as MSFS2020 is on it's way. It will just now be XP11 until MSFS2020 is released.
Invest? Its 60bucks. A hobby is a hobby.
@@cessna18284 $60? Yes $60 is a lot of money when you're an adult living out of home with bills to pay along with rent and all the other good stuff things throw at you in life that require money.
well, 20% higher fps seems like a quite decent gain. but considering i sometimes had 20fps and less in the dense areas, i would not have more than 24fps now, which still isnt that good.
@NoirVignetteIX if im not misunderstanding you, there should not be any problem atall.
get p3dv5, get pmdg, and then just install. obviously first install the sim, then install the aircrafts.
Ok performance is better but wait a year or two when its stuffed up with addon's. On the other hand the scenery doesn't look any better. And that is disappointing but not surprised either
Fly Sim it’s Orbx so they probably haven’t updated it yet
Flightbeam has already converted everything
Did they optimize p3dv5?
is this with the same settings?
What overlay software are you using?
Its beta version of the Windows 10 performance monitor. You can get it in Windows 10 through the Xbox app
Which software to show FPS Mem CPU you have?
Its beta version of the Windows 10 performance monitor. You can get it in Windows 10 through the Xbox app
wait how do u do that
So V5 added smog, and took away cloud shadows on the ground ?
2:40 -> 3:52 cloud shadows still there
The cloud shadows are very faint but still there, looks like a lower setting, along with lower cloud coverage on P3Dv5 in my opinion. I think this is maybe where it gains the extra frames.
Nice to see you back Jordan. I think the last video was when you said Flight Sim World would be the next big flight sim, just before it was dropped, but I think you are part right and it is set to become part of MS Flight Sim 2020.
@@voodootfs This was a beta build. The darkened them in the RC.
the clouds look better on v5
Where are cloud shadows on v5?
This was a beta build so the cloud shadows were lighter than they are now that it is released.
to bad truesky dont work with vr....would have been good to know beforehand
Yeah. Nothing about this in info or documents.
What plane is that?
In the description.
4k?
Welcome back, but still not impressed with V.5.
Well I hope this video helped you come to that conclusion. Lets see how V5 matures over the coming months.
P3Dv5 FPS impact more than P3Dv4