Is it worth it? Prepar3d V5 review!
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- Опубліковано 21 лип 2024
- Prepar3d V5 was launched April 14 2020 and since then I have been flying in it non stop. Is it good? Do I like it? Of course I discuss this and more in the video.
Planes used:
A2A: 172, 182, V35, Cub
Addons: ORBX scenery, and that is it.
Sim: Prepar3d v5 - Ігри
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Bonjour/Hello/Hallo Nick,
For all veterans of FSX Deluxe, FSX Steam, regretted FSW (Flight Sim World), I can officially attest that Lockheed Martin Prepar3D is the obvious choice for our group of virtual Pilots.
Other platforms are indeed innovative and interesting, but familiarity (with Prepar3D) is so comforting.
No need to dig in the manuals (again).
I currently own Version 1-2-3-4 on 2 different PC's driven with SSD's.
Familiarity and user friendly interface makes it so comfortable.
Just like your faithful old dog/cat/or favorite couch.
Well deserved "Thumbs up" on your very well presented video.
CYUL
Thanks for the video Nick. The water looks great as do the atmospheric changes.
Really enjoying the enhanced atmospherics/clouds. Just needs some real time weather from Active Sky when it comes out
Great video, thank you. I'd be interested in an update in a few months when LM gets the teething troubles ironed out.
I’m very interested to see what LR does. It sounds like X-Plane 12 will be a thing and Austin (X-Plane creator) has mentioned that they are working on the “next generation of scenery”. A lot of people are comparing the Vulkan release of X-Plane to P3D v5 and that really isn’t apples to apples. For X-Plane, Vulkan is simply a new feature they’ve released (still in beta at the moment) for their existing version 11. For P3D they have released a whole new version (from v4 to v5). The accurate comparison will be to see what X-Plane 12 looks like and it sounds like LR has some things up their sleeve.
thanks for your review I will be upgrading v5 shortly
Thanks I’ve never used p3dv5 so will definitely find a way to purchase it. Thanks so much for such an informative video 👍
P3d v5 has promise, but there are lot's of issue's to fix, like the water for me from a distance while flying doesn't look real (see MSFS videos/screenshots to see real looking water in a flightsim) and the clouds in amongst the mountains needs to be smoothed out rather than sometimes being square and sometimes they flicker, but it's a definite improvement over all, I would of rather LM took a little longer in releasing v5, release things when the new features were working better, the wow factor would of been much improved.
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@Kane Kashton yup, been using instaflixxer for since december myself =)
Thanks Nick. Great vid. (Subbing now). Really enjoyed the water footage.
Orbx True Earth HD works faultlessly for me. Only issue is running out of VRAM if I instst on going to Central London leaving 4K resolution, textures and sliders maxed. But there is always the age old fix for that - 'turn your sliders down'. Fortunately on my 8 GB VRAM card, I seem to be able to do everywhere else at max in True Earth HD.
It seems that there is now a place for 16 GB VRAM cards. Even the 11 GB Ti guys report running out of VRAM in extremes.
My take is I think this has more to do with the add on developers than LM. Everyone wants the photo real razor crisp textures on these add on airports, planes, photo real scenery (orthos, True Earth etc), the massive poly count buildings or planes where the rivets are 3d modeled takes up alot of not just VRAM but computing power. Its one thing to play, let's say the new Doom, and a fairly recent 1000-1200 gaming setup will smash it. The developers have maps, with corridors, the same repeating enemies etc. Much easier to plan your memory and processing requirements when you have a finite amount of real estate to work with. I am no game developer but it sounds logical...I could also be very very wrong here.
Swap to something like a flight sim, where you have the ability to have 30-60+ miles or terrain on screen, you have the complex avionics and flight modeling, lets not forget clouds, winds, lighting and on top of that throw other airplanes in the sky with you. Then you have the aftermarket add on's.. Now that takes alot more out of the system. Much much much harder to have a hard limit of resources on something like that because everyone is going to be upset. I now have a $5k gaming system that has the same image quality as a $2k but better fps if they had a hard limit...
The ability to tune the system, which screws everyone because we got used to slamming sliders right and only caring about FPS, is also what allows it to grow. IF we run mid settings now, and next year the 3080 comes out, it is good to know that the sim will now actually take advantage of that GPU or new cpu and allow us to adjust things.
I am super thankful we are not stuck like in FSX....keep throwing a faster core 2 duo or core 2 quad at it, and then drop money on an 8800 ultra and get next to no real improvement from either.
Thanks for the sub and the comment!
Thanks! I want to know what is avg FPS in the major cities?
Great review, and even with MSFS out, I’m considering upgrading to this from v4. I’m concerned about this ‘god hand’ issue you describe though - do you know if that has been addressed now?
The god hand issue was resolved with the first hotfix for the game. Has not re-appeared since.
great video agree with your findings
could you please share your settings
thanks
Hi Nick Thanks for sharing the video. Are you using some kind a shader program or does it look like this bye default i think its looking pretty awesome.
That is the default. No outside shading program was used.
Good video, thanks. Thoughts about updating. I have no issues or crashes with 4.5. I use shades and a mod for water and it works great on my oculus rift. I agree with moving to DX12 is a great move but not enough to upgrade. I'm looking at MS flightsim as the screen shots and videos from other sources rather than MS look amazing. I will hold out and wait on MS Flightsim. Just my musings.
MSFS2020 isn't as beautiful in game as it is in the press releases.
After sticking with FSX for a long, long time and dabbling in MSFS, I'm looking forward to finally dipping my toes into P3D v5!
A couple years later and my thoughts have changed. Probably time for a follow up video. It’s hard for me to recommend v5 at this time unless you have a bunch of money to throw at it. MSFS started out very rocky and I think most of my points about it were fairly true at launch but as of mid summer now in 2022 it has matured a lot and is pretty solid. Not to mention the 3rd party devs basically leaving P3D high and dry in regards to new products.
I still love P3D and v4/v5 have some amazing planes for it but it seems like a dead avenue at this time unfortunately. The market shifted and the devs went where the money is. I can’t blame em for that.
@@NickSilverYT Sorry to hear that. You make some very valid points. I think for me though, it's more about experiencing A2A's excellent aircraft in a more 'recent' engine with the better fog, lighting and cockpit shadows etc. I've been pushing FSX for a long, long time and I'd love to see the likes of their B-17 in a newer lighting engine etc. I'm aware they are doing up their Comanche for MSFS as we speak, but I'm not sure if they will bring across their larger warbirds anytime soon. I guess you could say my reasons for getting P3Dv5 at this late stage of the game, are quite niche and won't apply to everyone (or even most people, for that matter)
Can I ask you what are you using for the smooth movement in the cockpit?
Liam Kitson it is Track Ir
Hey Nick are you happy with the performance on the RTX 2070 Super? I'm going to building a new PC soon and was eyeing that card. WOuld you recommend P3D v5 over XP11?
Card would be paired with a Ryzen 3700X
The 2070 super was a solid upgrade from the 2060 I was using before.
As for Xplane or P3D that is not a cut and dry answer. Both have pros and cons. Do you use a simulator now? That might be a better starting off point to look at. I have them both, but I prefer P3D. I have a lot more invested in the P3D side of things and prefer the way it looks with add ons. That’s not to say Xplane is bad. Far from it. The orbx True Earth products in Xplane are amazing and super stoked to see the announcement they will be coming back to P3D finally as the FTX regions have been around for ages.
P3D has a much larger library of high quality add on planes, especially in the tube liner area. But these are all payware and some are prohibitively expensive. Whilst Xplane has a growing freeware scene especially around ortho scenery and mods to existing releases aircraft.
It’s all in what you want to get out of your sim...
I'm on a rock solid v4.5 with no issues what so ever and flying a lot of longhaul, sometimes I'm in my sim for 30+hrs. I want to upgrade to v5.3, but i'm to scared of crashes, lol.
How much does this cost (most basic license), and how do you get it? When I visited the Lockheed site a year or two ago, it looked like prices were very prohibitive for most, and it was not even available to regular flight sim enthusiasts.
prepar3d.com/prepar3d-store/
You absolutely called it. FS2020 is completely different to what it was portrayed as. Im back to v5. Its a great sim.
Been playing with it since the release....Ill have a "is it worth it" type deal in the coming days or week. I will eat crow and say the scenery is stupidly impressive.....outside that I think most of what I questioned in this video in regards to MSFS was found to be true.
For me what caused me to purchase P3D v5 even whilst I have MSFS (and FSX)...is the fact that A2A's planes are not yet available in MSFS...I do know they are working on bringing in the Comanche as I type this, but I want the B17!
just going back to p3d too
I have been considering buying Prepar3d. I have a lot of FSX flight modules. But I have a lot of issues with fsx even though my hardware is great and I can run msfs2020 in vr and dcs world just fine. So I wanted to know if it was worth upgrading to Prepar3d cause I heard all the fsx modules are mostly compatible with it and I could probably get a more stable and better framerate since fsx is so old. Seems like a worthy upgrade if I get the stability and frames that xplane 11 gives me.
Well as far as compatibility, you will need to review that on a case by case basis because a lot of the better addons do require a new purchase or an upgrade to P3D versions.
Stability in 5.3 is the best it has been for v5, performance is great if you have good hardware. I would say the performance is greater, at least for me in v5 vs Xplane 11 in vulkan and more stable but your mileage may very. That’s the thing with these complex sim programs, it seems no two similar systems perform the same.
Hard to buy anything with Microsoft 2020 right around the corner.
Until MSFS2020 actually releases and we see if it lives up to the hype I personally don’t find it hard at all to continue investing in the current sims and will do so even after MSFS. People are already crowning MSFS2020 based off of marketing hype. I haven’t heard that it’s exactly the greatest from some of the feedback of gotten from some Alpha testers (albeit I know it is just in alpha) and don’t quite get why people are choosing to no longer support or invest in the existing sims due to something that is not even released yet.
@@ChrisH-so1id Because of the new technologies that it brings to the table. It's like you're asking if you should buy a PS3 when a PS5 is around the corner (yes, for this comparaison I chose PS3, not PS4). And yeah, you didn't heard anything from alpha tester, as the NDA from microsoft is pretty airtight.
@@ChrisH-so1id What you are saying is basically "GTX 2070 Super is gonna come out soon but I see why people are so hyped about that when there is GTX 2070 out in the market."
I am hesitating to buy anything else for my FSX or even Prepar3d v5 (I got v3.4 :/ ) because I don't want to waste money on them after FS2020.
Likely I will be using FSX along side FS2020 but the only reason would be because it will take developers some time to release products for the new simulator.
Don't get me wrong. P3D V5 looks great. But as a person who wants to enjoy VFR flights, it is not good enough. FS2020 already have shown the potential to produce the exact real world scenery by building it from the actual satellite image. I assume this will be great for VFR flights. For me its better than buying all those scenery packs.
@@furrane I know people in the alpha and have spoken to them personally. Hard to crack down with an NDA with friends just talking. Also, search around and the sentiment is the same from those who know people in the alpha. Not saying MSFS2020 won't be great but I'm not exactly buying the hype just yet.
@@Galm_1 to each there own. Nothing wrong if people want to stop spending on current sims to wait for MSFS2020. I personally am not sold just yet that it will be everything people expect and choose to continue with my current sims, including investing when something comes out I'm interested in. Doesn't mean that won't change once MSFS2020 has officially released. I'll see how it lives up to the current marketing and hype at that point and if it does and it seems to have major promise, I'll likely jump on board. I'm just cautiously optimistic at this point, as it is Microsoft after all.
Doea it support multicrew airplanes?
Meaning, can I share a jet with a co pilot online?
Also does it support VR?
P3D has allowed aircraft sharing for a longtime, although not all add ons provide support for it. Instructions are easily found under the multiplayer section of the SDK.
It also does support VR as discussed in the video.
What VR Headset do you use? I am looking to get Reverb.. the only one you can actually buy now a days... Thanks
Picked up a Samsung Odyssey + last year while the Microsoft Store was running a special. $100 off, and a $50.00 gift card on top. Hard to say no when it was that cheap.
I have the Reverb. It is fantastic! However, the hand controllers are dreadful... they eat batteries so get plenty of rechargeable in if you go this route.
This look cool. Myself I think I would like to make a FPV rc model plane with head tracking. If anyone knows what FPV is I think that this would be the perfect cross between RC flying and PC flight simulation.
Yup, have a couple of 5" freestyle quads and a couple of Tiny Whoops. Fun stuff!
I'm assuming by the license requirements that this is not a game. I'm having a hard time trying to figure out why I would choose this over X-Plane or the upcoming MSFS2020.
I'm not a pilot or a student. So I fly for fun (in VR), though I want the experience to be as real as possible (without the control hardware). But $199...yikes.
The water definitely does look nice though.
What you mean is the professional license. Nearly no one needs that one. Being a "normal" simmer, the academic license for 60$ is sufficient.
@@pythagorasaurusrex9853 I just love how, on the pricing page, "Personal Consumer Entertainment" is NO! NO! NO! NO!! A bit arrogant if you ask me. "We're too good for you. Piss off!"
So I just tried it out and its nice but I'm gonna stick with x-Plane 11 my systems specs Ryzen 5 3600 16gb ddr4 3200 500gb ssd geforce 1660 super. (p3d) I maxed every thing out. and still getting 50 60fps in areas like San Diego. I had to turn down to dense when flying in L.A.. Frames dropped to 20 at times. No add-ons
Yeah LA is one of those towns with 1 bajillion (that's a scientific number) houses as autogen. Also have to remember the sliders get pushed with each iteration of P3D. What was very dense in v4 is pretty much equivalent to a dense setting in v5.
Xplane is pretty solid right now with the Vulkan update. I do alot of flying in the Xtrident 412 on there. Super fun in VR.
Thanks for your video, it looks amazing and can challenge msfs
Hello you are mentioning you are using VR since a pretty long time in p3dv4.5 so i guess you have a pretty good equipment. You already made a video on that or can you tell me what you are using? Because i am thinking about switching not to p3dv5 yet but to VR. Thanks allot
I use a Samsung Odyssey + that I got on sale last year. They were marked down $100 usd in the pre black friday sales and the Microsoft Store had an additional $50 usd gift card on top of it. Made sense at that point.
Wow .... thanks for all the intel, no pun :) i will be reading about all that.. time to educate myself.
Thanks again
Good presentation, i have asked on the forum how to enlarge the option panel so it will be easier to read , no reply so far , appreciate suggestions
The actual options page with the realism, graphics, controls settings etc? Unfortunately I do not as I have never had a need to resize it :(
Thank you
What you all think of this compared to X-Plane 11.50 I am very dissapointed in X-planes ATC and its low aircraft selection. Is it just as easy to add aircraft and scenery. But as a real pilot who needs ATC practice its ATC just plain stinks. Is P3D any better I did like the ATC in the old FSX kinda kicking myself for getting X-plane.
Atc sucks in everything unless you go with Vatsim or even better Pilot Edge. If you want good atc practice Pilot Edge is worth it’s price tenfold.
Nice Review!
You put this out about a year ago. What’s your update on this? Is it still worth getting? I am looking to upgrade from FSX but I’m looking for something that has a lot of add-ons I can get for it
Yeah it has been a minute since it came out...might be time for an update, especially after all the hooplah in the comments about me doubting the greatness of MSFS. Turns out MSFS is high on visuals and low on the flying aspect.
I still spend about 80% of my time in P3Dv5, 10% in DCS and 10% in MSFS.
V5 is much more stable then it was at launch but DX12 still presents its fair share of issues in regards to vram etc. But the performance is immensely better than v4, at the trade off of some instability. LM is working on getting to the bottom of the issues in tandem with nvidia and amd.
Downside is if you have alot of addons in FSX, not all will work in v5. I imagine most outside of the ORBX/Carenado realm will require a repurchase or upgrade fee from the developer.
@@NickSilverYT Good info, thanks! Yes, I have a lot of add-ons for FSX but I have some Patreon members that will help off-set that
Can you please tell what your PC specs are? I just built a mini itx build Ryzen 5 3600 16gb ddr4 3200 500gb ssd geforce 1660 super
R5 3600, 16gb 3200mhz ram, 2070 super. Sim is on a pcie nvme m.2 drive.
Thank you for your video. I only have a i3 with gtx1050 card and 8 G of ram. Do you think that I can run this new version. I have p3dv4 now. Thank you.
It may run it, the minimum listed specs are a 3ghz quad core, 4gbs of ram and a 4gb dx12 compatible graphics card. Whilst you may be able to run it, I would imagine the processor and graphics card combo will not provide good results and most likely will have to run diminished sliders. This is just a guess though.
For what it’s worth I have a lowish end gaming laptop that I’ve been using to pass the time at work. I7 7700hq, 16gb ram and a 1050ti. In runs 4.5 and xplane 11 just fine. Though I have not tried v5 on it yet. Both that processor and card are stronger than what you have so not sure if installing it and letting you know how it turns out would help.
@@NickSilverYT Thank you
How would a GTX 1070 8GB handle V5?
I'll wait for FS2020 v4.5 is fine for me until then. Everything works and don't have to stuff around with it.
It might have been worth it a year ago, but with FS2020 coming “soon”, then its a big gamble. If you really wanted to buy a sim now, get XPlane. It’s using Vulkan in Beta right now, which can give huge performance gains, and it’s something like a quarter of the price of P3D.
That said, the water does look really nice.
this is really nice
Hi Nick, wich Prepar3d option did you buy?
The one in the video is 5 though I do own most of the prior versions as well and probably spent the most time in V4 prior the the launch of V5.
hey i was just wondering i have the PMDG 777 and 737 for FSX, but if i was to buy P3D would i have to buy them for P3D again?
Yup. Separate sims, separate product lines. A lot more expensive too....
@@NickSilverYT ok thank you for the help
I have been a flt simmer for some 10 years now and have had Microsoft flt sims until last year when i got P3Dv4 which i have to say I'm fairly happy with. But being someone who wants realism in flt sim i am looking for a possible to change. I'm not sure which way to go as the last time I changed I could not use a lot of my ad-on from flt sim X and lost a lot of money as i had to replace them for P3Dv4 so I'm a little worried weather I can use all my add-on with P3Dv5. So can anyone tell me if add-on used in p3dv4 can be used in 5. I'm pretty sure none off my add-on will not work in MS2020
Well some stuff will work, some won’t without updates and some require a new version (paid). There was more changed behind the scenes then a simple graphics engine overhaul, which caused a lot developers to spend a bit more time to port their existing stuff over in some regards. Things like ORBX scenery, A2A planes, Reality XP GTN etc were free upgrades others charged for the upgrade or released a specific V5 model. You basically have to go developer by developer to see.
@@NickSilverYT Thank you much appreciated
Is that the dog barking at 8:00? What are your specs?
Thanks
Joe
CYWG
Yeah. I have a Pyrador and an Australian Shepherd.
Ryzen 3600, 16gb ram, 2070super
@@NickSilverYT You should add your specs in the description below the video to all know how you achieve that.
Thanks for your great video. :) And love your calm voice and clear speech, you articulate and it is great for non native english people like me.
Continu the good work. :)
Nice video!
Nice video
decided to try it out for a month in the dev liscence while i wait for fs2020 heh
Thanks for the vid, I purchased V5 when it was released and I'm totally unimpressed at this stage. For an out of the box sim it's pretty ordinary, I was expecting much more without all my addons. I've been flying VR now for 2 years and just can't go back to a monitor, and as you addressed the VR is unusable because of the stutter. It's as if LM considered VR as an afterthought where in my opinion VR is the future of flight simming. I can't speak for MSFS 2020 because all we have are pretty pictures, it may end up being a total disaster for those who have less than the highest end systems and bandwidths of less than 50mbs, only time will tell. But for P3D V5 I'm certainly far less enthusiastic than you and I'll not be deleting V4.5 any time soon.
I appreciate the comment and the thoughts. By the sounds of the VR issues, it was some sort of difference between the way things work in DX12 refrence, vs the way things were being done by Steam VR, Occulus, and WMR. Which is a shame, you would think LM, gearing the product to the commercial/government side would have done their homework a little more in regards to testing, especially in regards to VR. Being used to help practice missions or simulate events I would have thought VR would be at the top of the list....Sad to see it obviously wasn't.
Hopefully this weeks upcoming patch sorts out alot of the teething problems.
@@NickSilverYT Cheers Nick I hope you're right
@@mattd4616 FWIW, in Real Life, I think all the commercial pilot simulation training is done with BIG multi monitor setups, and not, to my knowlge, with VR. Love to try one of those 'Full Motion' simulators.
@@ashleycook726 sorry mate but VR has taken over the old "triple monitor setups"
wait if I just want to fly and I’m not a professional pilot which license do I buy?
should I get the academic version or professional license
No difference in the content. Academic gets a watermark in the top corner of the screen. I will say it is harder to recommend now, a few years later. The 3rd party developers have basically abandoned P3D by and large. Massive list of existing product sure but the new stuff is very minute in the amount.
So the whole vram issue is that going to be fixed or is that going to stick around for a while?
Ryan Phillips “fixed” is not the right word. According to Lockheed, DX12 does not have a built in driver level way of preventing an issue of using more vram than a card has. Unlike DX11 which would overflow at a driver level to system ram and just give you a big fps hit and stutters. HF1 which was released last week has an implementation that you can check off in the display settings that will basically start scaling back texture resolution on far away objects etc as you reach your VRAM limit. But it will not prevent the sim from crashing if it still goes over the limit due to some of these add on planes and airports just being massive.
Really everyone is mad at LM for this, but I think more blame is on the 3rd Party developers. They have long touted “4K textures” on every item of a plane or scenery package, along with modeling needless things. We don’t need to see every fiber of carpet in the cabin or how much gum is stuck to a seat with 1cm per pixel res textures. Same thing with these massive add on airports. I think everyone got lazy because the dx11 implementation just slowed us all down instead of crashing. DX12 unlocks alot more of the graphics card to be used but that performance comes without the hand holding of dx11 in terms of vram.
@@NickSilverYT that's really intresting, so do other mainstream games also have to be careful of of vram? Why does dx12 kinda downgrade its self is this area?
It’s not really a downgrade because the api allows lower level control of the graphics card. It’s trade off since you have more control over the card, the api won’t control it for you. This allows a developer to get a whole lot more out of the card to include asynchronous computing (which is one of the big selling points).
All DX12 titles and Vulkan titles as well have this inherent “limitation”. This is easily remedied by most of the developers because the games they make are in a sealed off static world. If I am making the new doom, I can design my levels, mobs, etc and fine tune it to stay within a budget amount of vram. An open world flight simulator, that is designed to grow over the next few years is a completely different beast. We are now taking about a vast world of add on airports, planes, shaders, cloud effects, other programs such as a GPS or etc etc etc etc. If they implement some sort of limit we all will complain because it defines the experience for us. It doesn’t allow us to choose what add ons etc to run. What setting we prefer etc. that’s their theory and reason why they added the vram totals to the infotext so we can adjust our systems accordingly.
Massive difference in approach from a closed environment game and an open development flight sim.
@@NickSilverYT Interesting thanks for answering that
$60 for student license and $200 for pro license. Considering what Xplane11 is out of box it's hard to say it's worth it and with Microsoft Flight simulator 2020 on the horizon i'll just hold on to my current sim for now.
IM STILL CONFUSED WHICH ONE TO BUY!!!. Why doesn't anyone talk about the difference between academic/pro...???? Is there a free flight..????????????????? Apparently nobody has addressed this and the descriptions on the website say it's only for training legally.
The difference in actual use is the small watermark in the top left corner of the screen on the academic version. The professional version does not have this watermark. Otherwise they perform the same.
Im sadly using a 3gb 1060 so im stuck on 4.5 as i dont have the money for a new graphics card. oh well
@@wg4112 Already moved to an RTX2060. and a 1050ti is a downgrade from a 1060
Does GPS navigation and things work in this?
It has a default/built in database with gns530/430 that are holdouts from prior versions. Supposedly you can program procedures into them now.
Most people will use an addon gps such as the Reality Xp GTN 750/650’s or in the tubeliners they will use a navigation database for their FMC’s, usually from Navigraph.
Biggest thing I hated about FSX and P3D V.4 is the frame rates and stutters. Its a sim from 2006 that struggles to run on my 2080 Super.
P5D crashes on any payware airport 50% of the time. On the other hand I get 65 FPS in the cockpit of pmdg aircraft and 120 on the outside. I got 60 FPS in the pmdg 747 at Aerosoft heathrow even ^_^ but crashes are just too common.
Edit: Specs are 9900k, 2080 Ti, and 32 GB ram. It eats vRam and dRam. It has gone up to using 22 GB of Ram in ultra high VAS conditions.
With the water, the plane looks like its pasted over top of the water and the waves dont act realistically when they encounter the pontoons.. They got lazy..
Thanks for the vid nick, you saved me money i will stick with x plane 11 .Since the vulkan came out VR is just fantastic .
Vulkan is not available yet or are you talking about the beta?
@@lampexxl8599 Yes nick x plane 11 .I would like to try P3D but i read a lot of negatives about the VF in P3D .X plane vr is now flawless.
sorry VR
@@dash8dave476 Okay, VR is no topic for me yet, but I am really unsure if I should wait for FS2020 (even thought it might have some limitations due to large downloads) or if I go with P3D V5 (my first P3D ever).
lampexxl Seriously... Avoid P3D V5... It is an utter waste of money. FS2020 will be vastly better, more stable and less expensive. If you want a superb sim now, buy X-Plane 11 and then run the latest beta version. Even though it is still in beta it is way more stable than the supposedly commercially ready P3D V5!
Can a hp pavilion 15 gaming laptop run this game?
Please reply
Jack Bridgwater what are the specs on the laptop? HP has a bunch of different 15” “gaming” models
I bought V5 hours after the release. It's worth it. The atmosphere with True Sky is great. The fps increase is anywhere from 20 to 40. Amazing!
Been having loads of fun in it. Great stuff. Just need some active sky goodness and all will be well!
Yeah I have an old 2 core and its still gets decent fps almost maxed out ,only traffic is at 40%.
Do you have academic or professional license?
This is academic
Just A2A i love A2A !!
Easily the best GA developer across any major sim platform at the moment imo.
Good Review... your work is appreciated... but I'm Frustrated with all these companies for flight sims...
Maybe hire engineers from other gaming companies...
NO, IT'S not worth it.. too much micro stuttering... Why make a sim that you cant turn the settings up ??... even with a powerhouse it stutters like crazy...
Anyway unless these engineers come up with a way to stop the micro stutters, in all conditions, then I would pay 200 for this. I won't hold my breath.. ill watch people's videos that have been manipulated here and save my hard-earned cash...
So, it turns out micro-stuttering is more of an Intel thing, as it does not multi-thread much in flight sims. The Intel DNA comes from when the focus was on pure single-thread performance, and their cpus just don't have the DNA to multi-thread these apps. The Ryzen DNA was born in a multi-thread era and works completely differently.
Have a look at 24 threads spiking to max in P3Dv5. imgur.com/a/hP2Yucq
And here imgur.com/gallery/LuU1ruC for my 'old' R1700 at just 3.4 GHz in P3Dv4. Could you max out an Intel? (NOTE new XP with Vulkan is BIG improvement so those comments are old)
Getting more multi-threading going ELIMINATES the Intel stutter. You can't even make an Intel multi-thread much here, affinity mask settings and all sorts of buggering around are futile.
Note - both DX12 for P3D and Vulkan for XP seem to be changing this as most seem to be reporting better fps and much less Intel stutter. But note, stutter is not an AMD thing, because the cpus work completely differently. If you can get ANY Intel cpu to do what my Ryzen shows in those pics, truly, I would like to see it.
This is not cpu family bashing. This stuff is how it works. And latest graphics engine updates (DX12 and Vulkan) are improving everybody's experience.
@@ashleycook726
Can you show me some videos to support the claim that the ryzen does not suffer from these microstutterings?
If so why the heck not everyone switch to AMD?... just post some videos with the V5 and ryzen
Cheers
@@Karspa247 Thanks for the questions.
Dimi,
1. I have enough trouble doing just pics, and would much rather spend my time simming and not figuring out taking and posting vids - something I haven't achieved yet.
2. People have invested in their current platform and stick with it. It is a real expense to change 'mid flight' so to speak. AFAIK most run Intel systems.
Much as I would like to oblige you, the short answer is 'No'.
FWIW, if you look at the cpu\core use on an Intel cpu, (and here, Pre P3Dv5 and XP Vulkan) one core is working flat out, and the other cores are skiving off behind the Gym smoking ciggies, while Tarzan is out front doing all the work.
WHY? The existing Intel cpus were designed years ago when Intel's main focus was on single core performance, and multi-threading was not on their horizon. It is current Intel DNA they are now fighting. They have added more cores and threads, but if you look at cpu use in P3D, they STILL use just one thread. To get better performance you have to beat the living daylights out of that thread. Look at all the Intel guys who OC. Intel is undisputed king of single thread computing.
AMD Ryzen cpus were designed when multi-threading is the new reality. Look at cpu use with Ryzen, and there are ALL the cores and threads being used. My new 3900X uses all 24 threads. I'm getting a massive truck load of extra cpu processing my sim. Do you think that would allow a different screen experience? Think about it, even if it is outside your experience as yet.
All I know is I got totally sick of stutter and found relief with AMD. I've had both.
Kindly note, Dimi, P3Dv5 with DX12, and X-Plane with Vulkan is changing everybody's experience for the better. We are moving into a cpu agnostic simming future.
With X-Plane, pre Vulkan, in my pooter only 1 thread was used. Now with Vulkan, I'm getting 4 main threads and up to 8 more threads working. It has made such a massive difference in screen performance, I've now re-installed XP and am enjoying it.
Micro stutters for me were related to vertical sync and refresh rates . 3 screens make it worse . If you can run the same FPS as your refresh rate : no stutters
@@ashleycook726 Sorry i think i posted in the open. Thank you for all the intel , Again no pun intended. Will get educated on AMD. it might be my next platform, CPU >
Thanks for taking the time
Great review! What's your CPU?
Just a homely Ryzen 5 3600
Is it worth paying another$200? I paid $200 for 4.5.
To me it would be...and I know some detractors out there will say otherwise but at some point things will be v5 only due to taking advantage of V5 specific features, mostly in the scenery department. I would rationalize it as you get more value if you buy early vs wait a year and buy it then. Easier to justify 200 for 3 ish years of a sim vs 200 for 2 years etc. One way to look at it.
If you have things that don't work in V5 yet or a plane you can always swap back and forth until everything is v5 compliant. They can live on the same machine, even same hard drives.
But if I was hard up for money, id save it for bills etc until i had the free money to toss at fake planes.
Nick Silver Thanks Nick I really appreciate the information
What are your computer specs
Ryzen5 3600, 16gb ram, 2070 super
Can I make my own addon?
They do have an SDK available to develop add ons with if you are so inclined to do so.
No way I’m giving LM any more money or buying another P3D addon until FS2020 comes out. Waste of money to get P3D v5 in my opinion.
Michael Why do you think that FS2020 will be the solution of all our flight sim problems?
As an Alpha tester of FS2020 I will tell you not to get your hopes up until there is a serious 3rd party community backing it. It's not great right now. I dont care if saying that breaks my NDA...
CH Drone Photography it by far better than everything else lol
i always loves and like prepare v4 was not quet good but still
How about now? Still skeptic?
Of course....even with a release date now, what we get remains to actually be seen. I have pre ordered the Premium version and will post a video after it has been released. If it is all that is has been hyped up to be, especially by those not in the alpha’s I will be happy to say as much. No one wants it to be a turd but I also am not banking on it being the messiah of flight sims either.
This is why our current sims are minimally advanced from fsx . People are sp resistant to change if it comes at any cost. Thank goodness a 'new ' sim is coming. I'll rin xplane AND mfs. But definitely getting mfs.
All the people running v5 with 4.5 weather addons have ke shaking my head. Its definately their choice. They paid for the addon. And I understand the upgrade to dx12 helps even if u use current addons. Even the best 4.5 weather adons I've seen look like sprites. Pretty sprites. But sprites
great video bro, p3dv5 is ok in my opinion as a simmer I know our opinions differ on which sim is better but truth to be told the add-on company's are the 1 that decides the fate of a sim, xplane11 is great but doesn't have many good aircraft compared to p3d, if most company's abandon p3d will see a big number of us switching over and that will spell disaster for v5, they is evidence that many will jump ship, at the majority of developers at the moment are not even talking about the updates for this sim and that's something to worry about, buy the way I just subscribed.
First off thanks for the sub and the comment. I suspect you are right when it comes to the ultimate fate of any of these platforms. First party development is never going to fully satisfy any of us with regards to planes and add on programs such as GPS software etc. Hopefully Asobo pulls through with their upcoming fs2020 and if it is all that and a bag of chips as they say, I hope they are working with the big 3rd party developers on making a useful and well documented SDK. I want to fly the TBM in 2020 as much as the next plane geek, but I also want my bonanzas, and all the other planes the add on community has put forth.
In my case I prefer the P3D V4
I believe that Flight simulator will be released soon and it will eat the market and the competition. There will be no more X-Plane or Prepar3d or anything else.. Mark my words 25 April 2020!
As an X-Plane 11 user I can say I am impressed. I believe this will send even more X-Plane 11 users over to P3D.
11:00 ''don't wait for Fs2020 Who knows when it's going to come out'' Glad I didn't listen to u back then :)
"no need for fs2020" that aged well
it sure did Msfs 2020 still sucks!
Ive been a simmer for 15 years and a real pilot for 13. I am an alpha tester for MSFS2020. Let me just say this...P3D is the most solid simulator. Is it the most beautiful and visually pleasing? Some say no. I say, with add-ons, yes it is. Honestly, I'm not super impressed with FS2020 yet. The press releases do not match the real experience. If MS removes me as a tester because I am saying this, then I honestly don't care. That should tell you all you need to know. Its not that great yet (I realize its still alpha). I am happy as hell that Lockheed keeps supporting this sim because it will always be my go-to. X-Plane is great, when it works. The latest Vulkan based betas of XP11 have been dog shit for me personally. P3d is always there, always reliable. Having said that, I tend to wait a couple months before purchasing a new major release.
In my honest opinion i find graphically FS2020 great....But i dont find it realistic at all and its full of bugs!. Plus P3D is great for modding.
Yeah it is super pretty, but it certainly lacks the systems and simulation depth currently provided by the other major platforms.
@@NickSilverYT So many Payware sceneries for fsx and p3d which makes it realistic, Rex and AI traffic. It’s got it all and you just have to download it.
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Well definitely I’m not buying fs2020 until they fix their plane’s dynamic and cockpits. Literally no Study-level aircraft.
And the sounds too! The FSX sounds were mediocre and dull, not realistic.
He's not gonna lie, lol
I'm still sceptical of his honesty. Haha
weather still no where as good as fs2020 lol clouds still look kinda MEH to me more so when you compare em to fs2020 footage water is real nice though i wonder if fs2020 water will look that good lol
Hold your horses and buy MSF2020 it will be out in a month
Major little waves ? rofl
Sorry, but those default clouds look utterly awful. The shapes are like dollops of candifloss in ridiculously uniform and symmetrical lumps. No doubt 3rd parties will step forward and fix that, but overall I cannot see any significant advantages compared with v4.5. I agree with another comment. There are some game developers out there who can produce some stunning graphics with very little impact on computer performance. Current flight sims are way behind what is possible, and the normal explanation that there are so many calculations going on just doesn't wash any longer. I hope FS2020 will demonstrate that.
10:53 YES 2500$ ARE WORTH IT TO 100%.
FOR ANOTHER FSX MOD p3d is 100% fucked when msfs 2020 comes out
How can you say that this sym is good.
It is full of mistakes.
The old Out Off Memories are back.!
It is ordinar to bring in money for LM before FS2020 comes out.
In one word outrageous.!
Do not buy it !!!
Wait for FS2020!
Fully agree. Or switch to X-Plane 11 in the meantime.
you are very loud in comparison to the sim audio
2070 GOOOODSHIIT
You were doing ok until you started comparing the "future of flight simulation" between P3D and MSFS and suggesting that P3D is even in the same universe as MSFS. This is a testament of how out of touch one can be. MSFS is still in the ALPHA stage, P3D has been released, yet P3D now (even with all the orbx you can install) does not even look as good as the very first video of MSFS presented. Even if MSFS never gets released, the discovery vids will blow P3D v8 (yes I meant eight) away at this rate.
If you would have kept MSFS out of the review, I would have remained silent and left you to your opinion about P3D.🧐
Ok but the MSFS comparison is necessarily. This is due to the pure nature of P3D in itself. When they started releasing different licence varients in V2; Lockheed realise there is a massive commercial incentive in the development of their software.
Realistically the comparison does NEED to be made on some level, you can have a different opinion of it but the two go hand in hand in the flight sim 2020
Out of touch, or am I taking a realistic approach to what has become available to us today vs the perceived greatness of a product that is far away from release? It is okay to be excited for 2020. I think everyone is hoping beyond hope that the promotional material is not just overhyped PR shots and it delivers on everything they claim it to be and performs as amazing as their videos claim it to.
I do feel though that it is an extremely fair comparison to say a new release is the current future of flight simulation considering it is a platform that is actively being developed, has a strong backing from it's parent company (same certainly can't be said by Microsoft's treatment in the past) along with 3rd party support. Ill take a product I can buy, load up and use vs the promise of greatness, and an awesome advertising campaign that is not available and wont be anytime soon. One I can actually use, the other I can only read about and gawk over promo vid's.
@@NickSilverYT Thank you for your response :-)
You say plainly that there is no need to wait for MSFS. But you clearly know that you are waiting for the same old fixes that we all have waited more than 10 years for. So yes you are out of touch, by continuing to defend stagnation in the name of hoping that an add-on developer will eventually try to tackle at least 1 of the major issues that are sorely lacking in P3D. How many thousands of dollars will it eventually cost for P3D V5 users to get True Earth for the rest of the world? And how long will you have to wait? By the time Asia has a True Earth offering, P3D may be at version 10. That is no future, its a crystal ball that shatters with delays and bugs and delays and excuses and bugs and on and on....a circle of death, rather than life.....
I'm trying to keep the topic more squared on P3D because I think that if you tried to see the bigger picture, you would see the futility in the P3D franchise trying to achieve a 21st century level of realism in a home based flight sim. To get even a kind of good sense of realism one has to run 10-20 even 30 add-on programs which end up conflicting and taking huge chunks out of performance. ATC add-on's that have so many flaws and lack so many basics that it ends up as a bad joke. All because with P3D there is TOO MUCH emphasis on add-on's. The plain P3D needs to become a realistic flight sim all by itself (no add-ons) , then when MSFS is released doing a comparison between them will be sensible.
I do not mind a strong and healthy add-on developer eco-system, but P3D takes this too far and the sim itself becomes more and more a laughing stock. Its playing out right before our very eyes. Reviews (like yours and others) full of excuses, essentially become plain lies in the name of kindness/understanding, but that is not being kind to the community...the old problems remain, all the while new ones are added. I warned about this very kind of thing to MS way back in the FS9 beta.
@@paulr4717 you are talking the truth. P3d v5 should have been p3d v4.6 with no charge to update it. It's their last minute money grab before msfs comes and takes away their sales .
@@NickSilverYT The vast majority of the screen captures published by Asobo are captured by Alpha testers like me. The "photos" Asobo releases every week to the public are exactly what's in the sim. Nothing is fudged or faked in any way. Remember, many members of the Alpha testing group will hear your comments at the end of the video and view you, quite correctly, as uninformed and out of the loop. You ruined an otherwise helpful review.
No not at all !! Stick with 4.5
Anyone who looks at footage from MS2020 and STILL thinks it's overhyped and not much better then the other sims, is completely delusional.
There is no simulator, even with all the 3rd party add-ons you can imagine (apart from airports) that touches or even comes close to Microsofts New Sim. This is like the jump from flip phone to smartphone.
I stupidly bought P3D V5. I also run x-plane 11.5b6.
The fact that this early beta version of P3D V5 has been released at vast cost is disgusting. It is full of bugs and problems that should have been resolved before release. It is unstable as heck. The default airports are a joke.
P3D has had its day. It still fails to take advantage of the architecture of any PC that runs multiple cores (I.e. all of them for the last number of years).
It’s VR implementation has not been touched... it remains dreadful. How you can’t suggest it is better than x-plane is beyond me! Just watch the side by side video recently released on a flight in Norway comparing the two. The graphics in P3D are dreadful.
In my view, the release of P3D V5 appears to be a cynical move by a lazy Lockheed Martin to get in as much money as possible before the release of FS2020.
I simply do not know how you can recommend that anyone buys this right now.
All I can say is my experience with 11.5b6 is the opposite, at least with Vulkan rendering turned on in VR. The new ORBX TE SoCal is a blurry mess, and while the FPS is an improvement over 11.41r1, for me it is unusable until they sort their texture compression issue out which according the xplane forums should be sorted out in .5b8.
As for 5 being unstable, once again my experience is the exact opposite, especially post hotfix. I have not had an issue since then. Of course with the myriad of various hardware and software config everyone’s mileage will vary.
Nick Silver really is weird Nick. I have the Reverb headset. I have Orbx TE installed and have absolute clarity and stutter free performance in VR.
I am very disappointed that the VR in P3D V5 is exactly the same as in 4.5... I have a motion seat so using a mouse to navigate is almost impossible whereas the hand controllers in x-plane are fully featured.
V5 is literally a scam imho, no major upgrade, just a few touches here n there under new dx12 management to shift cpu load to gpu.
This is a huge leap forward mate. Under the hood they made a lot.
After about 200 hours on v5 I can honestly say, no, it's not worth it all.....especially if FS2020 lives up to the doctored clips we've all been seeing....which it won't...at least until the community fixes everything that's bound to be wrong with it....just like every other fucking FS.
Honestly prepared is clinging on to FSX a little too much. We are in 2020, they need to start all over. It's just a heavily modded FSX.
no is not worth. seems as fs98 compared with msfs2020 alpha version
you can have either good simulator ... or you can have CrapR implemented. the so called "VR" so far ruined every single title.
Its not worth it msfs will have all this and much better
Great review, and even with MSFS out, I’m considering upgrading to this from v4. I’m concerned about this ‘god hand’ issue you describe though - do you know if that has been addressed now?
The god hand issue was resolved with the first Hotfix.