The perfect Rolex Submariner. NO WAITLIST!
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- Why wait on an endless waitlist for a Submariner when you can already get the perfect one today? OLD vs NEW side-by-side comparison.
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I have a 1973 Rolex Sub 5512 no date bought new by my Grandfather in Red Bank, New Jersey in 1974. He wore it everyday for 31 years until he passed in 2005. The watch has been around the world, and on 3 cross ocean sailing voyages. I wouldn't sell it for any amount of money. Still keeps perfect time!
Well that's the real deal there. Yeah -- Priceless! Good for you (and your smart Grandfather)
I've had both and I completely agree with you about the personalities of each. The perfect Sub for me would be the pre-ceramic with the later bracelet.
totally agree
I’ve been watching UA-cam videos on a plethora of topics over the last 14 years. Your intro is, hands down, the most artistic and powerful I’ve ever had the pleasure of watching. Bravo, man.
Do you know who the composer is and what the name of the piece is ? Thank you. (I guess Bach).
Have had my '16610' for 14 years now and still love and cherish it. Like most folks I've had a few prized possessions but none of them close to my Subie..! I also love how it's accrued in value. Bought mine new in 2005 for a little under $5K USD.
I'm old school. I have a 1991, 16610. To me the watch looks and wears perfectly. I do like the new glide lock bracelet though.
I prefer the older versions case because the collar tapered in towards the band. I also prefer the smaller bezel, I think is better looking.
Man, I really appreciate the 16610 more these days. The last of an icon. Great video, buddy, we dig your jam.
I really appreciate this assessment. I was struggling with old vs. new and I agree that the elegance of the older design can’t be beat! Just hope the prices don’t jump any higher before I finish saving for one!
I've owned my 16610 since 2005. Bought it new and never comes off my wrist. Love it!
How many times have you had it serviced? Are you the kind of person to wear it to the beach or leave it back home?
@@snapascrew I've had it serviced twice in the 15 years I've owned it. Not cheap, about the same as servicing your car. But the 'engine' in my watch runs all the time whereas the car sits on my drive for 90% of the time...
And it goes everywhere.
I have a 16610 from 1990, It is the most comfortable watch I have ever worn. It's a keeper!
I love the super case chunky, and the ceramic, but the vintage holds an appreciation of it's own!!!
Had the V series 16610 and loved it. Lume was not as sharp so traded in to the AD for a new super case 116610LN in 2019. Never got used to it and sold after one year. Back to a Z series 16610 and happy. The newer one was flashy.
I like the pre-ceramic more. I even prefer the no-date. Feel more pure and classic.
Looks like your just trying to save a buck which basically is cheap. You get one with the date complication then your actually forced to recognize your watch you get to take it off on the none 31 days and admire it some more. the no date is lazy and cheap. IMO
Christian Hardwick It seems like submariner date is mostly preferred by those who don’t know much about submariner’s heritage or watches. Simply jumping on the wagon because everyone has one with date or it’s easily recognizable as Rolex from far. Just look like someone with no substance or class, purely wealth flaunting imo
@@christianhardwick6530the no date loos more clean. Keep yapping you prolly can't even afford one
Still relevant even a couple years later. I just made the decision to get the 16610 version over the newer on the resale market. They have all jumped from $10-$12 now, proving what a solid and desirable model it really is. Thanks for the video.
The best comparison of the case sizes was when you were showing the case backs. When the light reflected off of each case back the difference of case width etc was very noticeable. Good work!
Cheers Martin.
Thanks for this. I actually prefer the older one as it now looks more modern. Big chunky watches seemed to come in with the millennium and is why Panerai did well. I think those days are now done and slimmer more elegant watches are making a come back.
Different strokes for different folks. I have the 1993 holes case tritium dial. Creamy aged markers and immaculate. I prefer the early 16610 and find the holes case wonderful and a real last gasp of the classic tool watch sub before Rolex decided that they didi not want you to wear this watch on anything else other than the bracelet and made their watches luxury ready! I wear mine on a beautiful dark brown strap and it is anonymous to all. I love this aspect. Lastly. I have owned the ceramic and the pre ceramic and I prefer the delicate comfort of the much earlier abused and maligned bracelet to the new. I think the new bracelets are too bulky and blingy...for me! Nice comparison Oisin. Thanks for the video.
Ive owned 2 ceramic versions and loved them but love the pre ceramic more. I picked up an excellent condition 2002 model, solid end links and pierced lugs.....perfection for me.
Another great video👌🏼.The older case is more comfortable on the wrist compared to the super case. Oh the new two tone Sea Dweller 43 is a Super Wasp on the wrist! 😁 Will make video soon!!
Pre ceramic for me. Originally, I wanted a Sea dweller Because I like the heft of the watch.. but then I came across a ceramic sub and fell in love, and no longer did I need to go to the sea dweller to get that hefty look.
Classic case but do love the new bracelet/clasp....
I have a 1680 that I got in 1976 I love it only been serviced two times no scratches replaces the crystal I have it on every day
Old case shape with a ceramic insert would be the best of both worlds
SunsetSheen yup! I second that 👍
And the new bracelet !
Agree
I have seen many different watch reviews, but this guy offers something special to the game. Keep up the good work. You were the reason that i bought a Rolex Submariner date M series. Also i'm quite sure that you are the reason that i have to take my Omega Seamster 300m to Trieste ;)
Great video brother. I have a 2005 Submariner and I love it. Understated, elegant, and masculine. Mine is mint - and will stay that way. Thx for the awesome content.
I strongly prefer the pre-ceramic as well but wasn’t willing to pay new Sub prices for an old Sub with the old bracelet so I went with a BB58. Scratches the itch for an old Sub but without the trade offs.
I like the lugs of the old ones WAY BETTER than the new ones.
The pre ceramic every time for me. I have two subs but am now going down the Omega Sea Master road., the quality for the price is outstanding, and the movement is only less than on the Sub by 1 sec. The design of these watches are beautiful (apart from the helium valve which should be automatic and incorporated into the side). The Rolex Brand has been getting a lot of bad press because of their attitude towards customers over the Submariner, sitting on it's brand not caring or listening to loyal customers. The Sub gap could easily be filled if they ignore customers from this sector, by same quality and more reasonably priced companies like the Omega Sea Master. Many luxury car companies have sat on their names in the past but failed to see what was coming up behind them. If customers turn on Rolex they can make a difference, nothing in this life is guaranteed.
The new 2018 Seamaster has a better movement, a 70-hour power reserve, and a silicon hairspring making it anti-magnetic. The METAS rating on the SMP is -0 to +6 better to have a watch that never runs slow since then the only thing you have to do hack the watch till the correct time catches up and push the crown back in.
Mine is running a consistent +2 a day.
5 digit old money, six digit new money.
Ok, I got 3 four digit and 1 five digit sub, what does it make me?
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@@baldilocks1914 Hmmm, that sounds good ;-) I got a few Seiko as well just to balance it out.
Great review my friend! Picking up a 2004 Sea Dweller on Friday 💪🏿
I have the Invicta version of this watch. I think it is of better quality than the Rolex, and there was a very short wait list for it. ( around 5 min. )
Invicta uses 909 grade stainless, which is actually 5 levels higher / better than Rolex. I am on the list with my Invicta AD, for the new Invicta
Nautilus styled piece, that will set the high bar for this design by Gerald Genta, when he was head of design for Invicta.
I have the Invicta 9937OB with the Swiss Sellita-200 movement, and for the money, I'm quite satisfied.
Cool explanation of the characteristics of each watch. How about a comparison video for the old EXP I (114270) and new EXP I (214270, MKII)?
Good video! I own the 116610LN but previous model has that more classic design and appearance, but i wouldnt change mine. Great channel sure its grows very soon! regards from Spain
Man, you got the time to match on both of these pretty much to the second! Very Impressive. Love the pre ceramic. Love the channel. Cheers!
The one thing you have to keeping mind about the oyster supers case is the time it came out, a few years back, the hottest brand our there was Panerai. When Rolex came out with new updates to the brand(ceramic, new bracelet and lume), you have take into consideration that they competing in market that was looking for a larger watch trend and Rolex answer the demand with case that filled out the wrist with more presence. Now that the fade, like bell bottom jeans and elevator shoes, has gone away I think you will see Rolex return back to it's original dimensions but with the improvement in technology.
Navegando Lejano Oriente it would be amazing if they did!
Yup, I agree with a previous comment regarding the description of “ Wasp”. Perfect. Absolutely exquisite channel. Pass on a “ nod” to your daughter for the work she produces for the channel.
You make some good points though I suspect when you get used to the new Sub you might change your view somewhat. The Explorer 214270 is said to be the Rolex for the man with nothing to prove. I've had mine ten days now and am still getting used to it. I take your point about the older bracelet so maybe if one bought the pre-ceramic model at the right price and then put a new bracelet on it the whole would be perfect?
Deanta go maith, Cara. On the market for a Submariner and this video has turned things round and pointed me in the direction of a collector condition, late model 16610. Many thanks. Enjoying your channel, also helps that I have a passion for Italy.
Great video and great channel as always. Definitely the one on the left (older one) for me!! I feel like that ruined the proportions on the newer sub.
I have a 90s sea dweller and I’ve borrowed a max case sub ,I agree that the older models wears nicer and are under the radar, but I like both! I have the new clasp on my 39mm explorer and it’s great but I also like the feel of the old clasp ,so I agree with you if someone is thinking of buying a Rolex sub definitely go for a older model and keep it for life and wear It!don’t worry about scratches it’s life.
I’ve watched hundreds of watch reviews (it’s a sickness). I liked this one. I own the modern date sub. After 5 years the supercase is driving me nuts.
The newer Clasp on the Ceramic is FANTASTIC!! I adjust mine a lot... ever so slightly as my wrist size goes up and down I suppose. Both are great but I prefer the Ceramic. Plus I have an 8" wrist so the larger case size fits me better.
Just bought a 16610 from a collector. I'm like you. I've owned a couple subs with the super case but sold them all this past year. Something just never fit right. I will probably swap for a glide lock clasp/bracelet. Then you have the best of both worlds.
I Enjoy your videos. As a SCUBA shop owner, and professional diver for 10 years, I've always loved the idea of owning a Submariner, but alas, those of us who work in the industry can't actually afford one. I would love to dive with one.
My Rolex Submariner Replica is 2 years old.
I wear it every day since I bought it
It never loses even second a day, Miyota movement but looks 1:1 i compare it to real one.
Never serviced.
Ya but you're a wanna be.
How do you not have more subs? One of the better comparison vids I’ve seen. I’ve owned both, and like u prefer the 16610. Sold my 116610 for a 14060. Just nicer lines all around
Thanks Audiman! Yes, the 14060 is gorgeous. Nice choice. As for my subs.... the channel is 2 weeks old as of today. Baby steps. Thanks for watching!
Great input
I have the 16610ln & the 116610ln 😂 might put a cool sapphire aftermarket bezel on the ceramic sub to make em different
Thanks for this video!
Just got my 116610LN. One week wait after a $500 deposit at the NYC AD. Love it so far. I was thinking to go with a Sea Dweller but its way too big. This is a great size for me and I'm going to wear the hell out of it ;)
Great video on the best sports watch around. I prefer the 116610.
The black and gold is so bad azz!
Edit: I got a 09 16610 in June of 2021 and it cost me just over 10k but it’s beautiful with engraved Rehaut and even though nobody can see it I love it.
I have the 16610 - bought new in 1990. It's my daily wearer - to this day. (It is a an early one. The "flip lock" on the clasp does not have the little lines across it - as even ones at the End of 1990 have. I like it cause it's mine. But also it is a big more "reserved" and elegant. Slightly harder to read than the newer one. Lume worn out now. But wears great and will slip under a shirt cuff fine. Bracelet is kinda cheap? But it's a Rolex - fine with me.
Ask yourself this.. What watch would you rather take diving? Of course the 114060. What watch would you wear to the bar after diving. A pre ceramic right. My choice would be a 5513. I have both and they are awesome AF.
And no one except the rare watch geek would know you wearing a Rolex much less it it's ceramic or not.
@@robertsullivan4773 100% true.
@@derekholyfield6089 not trying to be an ass. But my yellow 97 NSX gets me far more comments and compliments than my Rolex GMT Master II Black ever does.
Excellent observation on the differing personalities. 👍👍
To be honest I think I like the black and gold one you're wearing the best. It could be the one for me!
Love to know what this guy does for money. He is awesome.
Old one get my vote. 👍
Agree completely. I think the boyish toy vs rugged man look is spot on when it comes to modern vs ''vintage'' Rolex. Its the same thing with cars.. Nothing wrong with the more show off, tryhard modern look. But you just cant beat the look of the old 4-5 diget rolex, its like a classic car.
With everything including watches, things progress and are refined with better build and quality. The Submariner is no exception. The 114060 is a great improvement and has evolved into the modern world of watches very nicely. Nothing against any of the older models, they all have their place and they all stand for their moment in the watch world.
Really good video - both enjoyable and informative, and definitely never dull; my education about the brand and its products continues.....
Fantastic nickname for the Steel & Gold Submariner that you came up with,..."THE WASP"
Some great comments on here and another great vid, of course nobody is wrong, we all have our own idea on perfection. The 5 fig 2010 model does look amazing and this one is in beautiful condition but that clasp and strap is what makes a bit difference to me. The maxi case and glidelock is in my eyes perfection. Great quality review buddie, lighting just right to make both watches pop. Makes me love my Sub (ceramic) just that little bit more. Keep up the good work and great content 👏🏼
Totally agree!
I like everything about the newer version, except the crown guards and too bulky and prefer the pre-ceramic crown guards.
Get review! What brand sunglasses are you wearing? I like them.
V serial is not the last of the 16610, you have after that the G serial and the very last is the Random serial.
Ahh yes. Thanks for that! Well V is among the last. Good enough? Thanks for your input DG. Any future corrections will be appreciated!
The Timeless Watch Channel , no problem, I only knew that recently and just thought to share it with you. Hope this wasn’t taken negatively.
Excellent attention to detail with this review. This will go a long way in a decision-making process for choosing which sub to get.
I like the older model far more. Classic and not too much flash.
I have no problem with the bracelet on my 16610. The thin clasp and hollow center links result in an exceedingly lightweight piece compared to some. I've owned both Btw
I didn't realise the diiference in the two models, it really is quite striking? I have to say, both great watches, but think I prefer the pre- ceramic iteration, but you're right about the strap pin holes being ugly?
Plain case back is to allow for inscriptions, for sure.
Just tested the new one today, a friend picked up in Texas and got to feel the glide lock
Nice video, just discovered your channel and I like it so far!
14060M G serial: Best Sub of History
One correction: you do NOT have to go to the store to adjust the bracelet on the older model. It does have the little holes along the sides of the clasp and you can adjust it yourself. Not as neat and easy as with the new clasp, but you definitely do not have to go to the store. So in the new model, the wet suit extension is in the new clasp adjustment versatility. In the old model, the wet suit extension and the adjustment are two different things.
All you need is a toothpick to adjust the old ones.
Came here to say that. Cool video but that part was totally wrong and a grand exaggeration.
Yeah if you actually listen to him he’s not talking about the fine adjustment he talks about having links removed…………🙄
I personally think the perfect sub is the 5513 which shares the same pointed crown guards as the pre 2010 sub. The newer ones are squared and look like broader shoulders instead.
Both looks good but I prefer the Pre-Supercase with solid middle links. The new version is trying a little too hard in my opinion but you can't go wrong with either.
Great review and fully agree with your assessment the 16610 is much more refined and near perfect shape and proportions for the sub. I feel the maxi case is more suitable to the gold and 2 tone Subs as it makes more of a statement. Obviously Rolex seem to be pandering to a younger client making the watches bigger but to most less appealing as to what the brand represents
Great comparison! Still can't decide, though. ☺️
I’m a fan of the Submariner, any year really. Just put my name on waitlist for a 114060...
I still think the 5 digit Subs are the best; not sure I love the maxi-case.
I looked at the maxi case sub to replace a 5513 as a daily. Ended up with a black bay 58.
Great vlog
I have a question. Where is the best country you could buy a very good Rolex with more obtions and years to buy?
The best review i ever see.....
One more reason to wait for a new one is if you buy a used one, it is probably fake or with frankenstein parts. You can't trust anybody out there because even trusted sellers get stuck with fake crap all the time. Not worth risking your money for a used Rolex.
mac daddy good point.
I was so focussed on the Ceramic version, (which I couldn’t get) that I hadn’t considered the pre ceramic as a viable option. After watching your review numerous times I began to fully appreciate the last version of the pre-ceramic 16610 model. I started searching and held off on a number of older models and finally just found and purchased a late 2008 series 16610, Thanks very much for your advice, I have subscribed to your channel and I wish you all the best!..
Yes that 2008 sub is perfection. Rumor has it Rolex might be going back to that design. Congrats!
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Great video love your channel!
Given that Rolex is very secretive about everything, where is exactly are these rumours coming from?
Thanks
Agreed 1000%
A few weeks ago my AD had the gold Sub in his case. $14,000 retail. I loved the watch, but with tax it was over 15 grand. Just couldn’t do it. It was gone in a few days.
Classic, both lovely. Thanks
I got my 2019 Sub for msrp from my local ad !!
Where?!
Ma Carah 😁 your review is as cool as the other side of the pillow!
You always do great videos, and this is no different . I seem to be driven to pour a glass of wine when I watch though. Happy New Year
great video! Recently picked up a 16610 w/ rehault and it's straight class 🥸. I do love the new T fit bracelet tho!!
Oh yes , 16610 all the way ! Discreet Flow with Class. If you want to shout might as well wear an SD43 or a Deep Sea. 🎉
You did not mention the difference in the crown guards on the case. Again, much smoother, classier, lighter in the old model. The new case is just too bulky, beefy, and square.
Very well commented, the old one ist still the edge of classic....but the rattlesnake bracelet...
You're absolutely right, the pre ceramic looks way better.
Agreed 👍
Love your videos! Would love to see one on the 214270, maybe comparing mark 1 vs mark 2?
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I do not like the super case. I like the preceramic better but I like the newer bracelet with the glide lock a whole lot more too. Not sure if you can get a bracelet that is modern to swap with the older style.