For those curious, the theoretical basis of Icarus lives is alternating between the minor and major third. This concept was frequently explored by classical composers in the late 19th/early 20th century as a means of expressing ambiguity and conflict. A more recent and salient example is the Fallout 3 main theme, in which it's very easy to identify. In the beginning of Icarus Lives, the riff moves from the minor third to the major third frequently, but later on the motif is reversed, most notably when Spencer sings the word "history" on the last syllable, he descends in to a minor third melismatically.
+AbsoluteZ3R0 DUDE YES FINALLY SOMEONE ELSE WHO UNDERSTANDS THE LATE ROMANTIC CONNECTION TO MISHAS WRITING. I wanna give you a high five lol Those tonal relations are probably the reason Racecar, Buttersnips, Ow My Feelings, Zero, Froggin & All New Materials have my favorite Periphery moments in them and are ALL in the pantheon of my favorite songs ever. That exact moment where Sponce sings "historaaaaaaaaaa-aaay" is the climax of that whole song for me too. So inspirational on how I write. In fact some of the bichordal close harmonies in the middle of Buttersnips where all 3 guitars are utilized to play all the notes of a tonic triad and relative dominant triad simultaneously at the end of the riff cycle was the startring point by which I wrote an entire original piece on piano called "Astral Fabric". I really ought to upload that on my channel ahah. Sucks theres only the occasional Periph song thatll come out to tickle my fancy in that way ever since post-debut album tho. Omegas title track certainly did tho. UMF So good. Hoping you see this lol. I like talking about dorky theory stuff :P
+Juan Sanchez This is what I was thinking while reading the previous comments. He basically hasn't studied theory yet he's writing songs that have complex theory in them. That's kinda mind blowing and gives me some hope about my guitar skills since I also know very little theory.
Juan Sanchez ZigZag theory tries to describe what we create from the ethers of our hearts and minds. no need for theory to explore or create music. theory just helps explain what we do. theory can help you explore if you want to use it as a map of the known. thats all
i REALLY like the way Misha sees the guitar as an instrument, and its different possibilities based not so much on theory, but rather on pure creativity. its all bout feeling and instincts. really good player this guy is
This song will forever hold a special place in my heart. Before this or Triviums almighty shogun, I had no idea 7 strings even existed. This definitely broke me out of that comfort zone and into a whole new territory. Thanks for sick riffs misha!
2:08 "I don't know if that's a particular scale or not.." God I love that Guitar World has somebody good doing lessons and columns that isn't a theory wizard...
No shit! I was thinking the same thing when he said "...tuned to A flat..." To keep any kind of tension on the string, the gauge of the low E must be 70's or higher. I think C sharp is the lowest that sounds good to me. Anything lower is so muddy and thick.
the ESP was used for the song "Some Kind Of Monster" kinda silly, cuz´ it´s tuned drop C with an added high d....but invisible kid was played with a 6 string baritone (you can see james n kirk using them while playing the song at the rehearsal) and it´s Metallica, so they can tune their guitars whatever the fuck they want^^
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Couldn't agree more, they go hand in hand so well. If you know nothing about theory and you start a riff only to get to a point were you don't know where to go next, that's wheen theory comes into play. You know your theory, you know what notes work with that and where they are, from there you go with what you find sounds best
@@skidmark6553- I reckon I must have discovered it was Buttersnips like 1-2 months after I watched this video, but I appreciate the response nonetheless. 🤝 Man, first watched this 12 years ago. 🥲 Time flies!
yeah! Just because I don't use drop or open tuning, I use Standar B tuning, but the 7th is on F# to make it more low and heavy With 7 strings, I use just like it got 8, but don't count the 1st string as B
@wydfarasprophecy from what i can tell, in this video he's in drop G#/Ab, which would be G#-Eb-Ab-Db-Gb-Bb-Eb, which is like being in Eb standard with the regular 6 strings and on the extra 7th having it dropped a whole step. so its like the tuning you said, just all of the notes dropped a half step. but if you tune all 7 strings down one whole step, youd have A-D-G-C-F-A-D, so dropping it would make drop G G-D-G-C-F-A-D. hope this helped and wasnt too confusing =)
syncopation includes a variety of rhythms which are in some way unexpected in that they deviate from the strict succession of regularly spaced strong and weak but also powerful beats in a meter.
@Karnivool09 i think when i first heard of meshuggah it was labeled as something like "math metal" or "technical metal" or whatever. groove metal meant something different like kyuss or whatever.
@ZorakSpaceGhost imo something mediumish gauge, usually when i play this kinda stuff i dont want the strings to be too thin otherwise they wobble around and you cant control them, but at the same time when they're too thick you won't be able to pick as hard and make the "snapping" sound important in djent, if that makes sense; but its up to you really just experiment and record yourself playing diff gauges and see which one sounds most djenty but like i said imo something medium is nice
In this video, he's using the John Petrucci pickups, the CrunchLab/LiquiFire. Otherwise, I've seen him use Bareknuckles (Which are better but more expensive)
I think the notes are in A harmonic minor. Possibly? Because he's grooving around the seventh degree of the scale maybe that's where the dark and evil sound comes from.
@gmoney101392 things in gp wont have the original 'flavor' because its a computer simulating the accents and stuff; ofc that's provided you haven't made mistake with the tabbing. if it is indeed an issue with the tabbing, try singing the riff while clapping your hands; then just work it out :) also depending on the song your riff may or may not fit into the 4/4, for example lots of messhugah drums are in 4/4 but the guitars aren't, BUT you still write it out in 4/4; hope i answered your question
@NoaOno some tuners (specifically zoom products) for some time only had tuners that would read in sharps and not flats. examble: if i went half step from standard E it wouldn't read as Eb it would show up as D#.
"Well, I don't really know what else to say. I'll just keep reminding everyone that I'm bending and using this picking style to create riffs that I crafted into a song." There is no way I could put this concept into any more detail than Misha is. Props.
question for anyone out there say i make a riff just messing around how do i figure out what time signature i'm playing in? when i go to put it in guitar pro which is auto 4/4 my stuff always looses something and never has the original 'flavor' that i give when playing it myself. I understand what time sig is but i just need to know how to label a time sig am i making any sense? xD
this video about the bends. it is turkish scale. also known as the 24 note scale. He uses awesome scales without knowing it. Because awesome comes natural.
"It sounds positively huge in my opinion". I don't know why but that fucking cracks me up. i've never thought of the sound of very heavy set power chords as sounding huge. I like that.
well 1 its majorly due to just the tuning. Even if u had everything exactly the same,if you dont have those thick strings & low tuning u wont get that right vibration he has. After that, simply alota gain gives it alota that sharp-to-the-ear crunch. Beyond that, it just comes down to pedals. Even with cheaper pedals, theres So much more there than ppl know because each sound can be tweaked like Crazy. So if you have a more expensive "mother board" pedal, the possibilities are near endless.
You don't need to know a lot of theory to write music like they do. It really comes down to having a good ear for melody, being able to choose notes that sound good together. You need to know how to count too, obviously.
Is the highest string ever used on Icarus Lives? I'm thinking about learning it on a 6 string, but downtuning the fuck out of my guitar wouldn't really work if all the strings are used :/
@Immersedx He's not overrated... he has a unique feel for rhythm, melody and music as a whole. D'uh - just because you're watching one of their easier songs.
For those curious, the theoretical basis of Icarus lives is alternating between the minor and major third. This concept was frequently explored by classical composers in the late 19th/early 20th century as a means of expressing ambiguity and conflict. A more recent and salient example is the Fallout 3 main theme, in which it's very easy to identify. In the beginning of Icarus Lives, the riff moves from the minor third to the major third frequently, but later on the motif is reversed, most notably when Spencer sings the word "history" on the last syllable, he descends in to a minor third melismatically.
+AbsoluteZ3R0 DUDE YES
FINALLY
SOMEONE ELSE WHO UNDERSTANDS THE LATE ROMANTIC CONNECTION TO MISHAS WRITING.
I wanna give you a high five lol
Those tonal relations are probably the reason Racecar, Buttersnips, Ow My Feelings, Zero, Froggin & All New Materials have my favorite Periphery moments in them and are ALL in the pantheon of my favorite songs ever.
That exact moment where Sponce sings "historaaaaaaaaaa-aaay" is the climax of that whole song for me too.
So inspirational on how I write. In fact some of the bichordal close harmonies in the middle of Buttersnips where all 3 guitars are utilized to play all the notes of a tonic triad and relative dominant triad simultaneously at the end of the riff cycle was the startring point by which I wrote an entire original piece on piano called "Astral Fabric". I really ought to upload that on my channel ahah.
Sucks theres only the occasional Periph song thatll come out to tickle my fancy in that way ever since post-debut album tho. Omegas title track certainly did tho.
UMF
So good.
Hoping you see this lol. I like talking about dorky theory stuff :P
+James Peterson fun fact, Misha plays by ear and knows little to no theory.
+Juan Sanchez This is what I was thinking while reading the previous comments. He basically hasn't studied theory yet he's writing songs that have complex theory in them. That's kinda mind blowing and gives me some hope about my guitar skills since I also know very little theory.
wonderful comments thanks.
Juan Sanchez ZigZag
theory tries to describe what we create from the ethers of our hearts and minds. no need for theory to explore or create music. theory just helps explain what we do.
theory can help you explore if you want to use it as a map of the known. thats all
the strap is driving me crazy
Now when you mentioned it -__-
OCD kicking in buddy?
im fucking cringing
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i REALLY like the way Misha sees the guitar as an instrument, and its different possibilities based not so much on theory, but rather on pure creativity. its all bout feeling and instincts.
really good player this guy is
I believe the scale is in djentolian.
Not trying to be pretentious but technically djentolian is a mode, not a scale.
It's actually the min000000r scale
This song will forever hold a special place in my heart. Before this or Triviums almighty shogun, I had no idea 7 strings even existed. This definitely broke me out of that comfort zone and into a whole new territory. Thanks for sick riffs misha!
When he was showing the basic notes of the song 2:03 - 2:06 it sounds like the intro to rainbow gravity
Ryan Privitera hahahaha that's right!😂😂
Badass song lol
Dayum
Too much noise gate imo...
On his voice, that is.
I really like that he gives you advice on how to write your own stuff. Makes his lessons quite interesting.
I love how he doesn't understand if it's in a scale; obviously wrote it by ear. Gives hope for the other people who haven't learned theory!
Yeah but he knows scales a little i think jeje
That's right. Ah, but if you have seen the Some Kind Of Monster film, James was using an ESP 7 string so maybe he used that?
Noise gate voice.. why is this..?
Because that's how djent he is
Brendon stacey lel
It annoys my ears
2:08 "I don't know if that's a particular scale or not.." God I love that Guitar World has somebody good doing lessons and columns that isn't a theory wizard...
No shit! I was thinking the same thing when he said "...tuned to A flat..." To keep any kind of tension on the string, the gauge of the low E must be 70's or higher. I think C sharp is the lowest that sounds good to me. Anything lower is so muddy and thick.
@megaluisdeth
The term comes from the sound of the palm mutes "djent djent" instead of "chug chug"
Love the guitar! Bernie Rico JR Jekyll 7 string right?
the ESP was used for the song "Some Kind Of Monster" kinda silly, cuz´ it´s tuned drop C with an added high d....but invisible kid was played with a 6 string baritone (you can see james n kirk using them while playing the song at the rehearsal) and it´s Metallica, so they can tune their guitars whatever the fuck they want^^
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Couldn't agree more, they go hand in hand so well. If you know nothing about theory and you start a riff only to get to a point were you don't know where to go next, that's wheen theory comes into play. You know your theory, you know what notes work with that and where they are, from there you go with what you find sounds best
Hey, I'm sure someone will have said already, but what is the opening 14 seconds from? Pretty tasty riff! Thanks in advance to anyone that knows.
buttersnips
@@skidmark6553- I reckon I must have discovered it was Buttersnips like 1-2 months after I watched this video, but I appreciate the response nonetheless. 🤝
Man, first watched this 12 years ago. 🥲 Time flies!
yeah!
Just because I don't use drop or open tuning, I use Standar B tuning, but the 7th is on F# to make it more low and heavy
With 7 strings, I use just like it got 8, but don't count the 1st string as B
@DYZSYX yes they are in the bridge i think its a crunch lab but not sure in the neck
@G0re0bsessed Well actually if you think about it its correct. Both Dubstep and Djent are heavily focused on instrumentals.
Gotta love that modesty. Very awesome guy.
@wydfarasprophecy from what i can tell, in this video he's in drop G#/Ab, which would be G#-Eb-Ab-Db-Gb-Bb-Eb, which is like being in Eb standard with the regular 6 strings and on the extra 7th having it dropped a whole step. so its like the tuning you said, just all of the notes dropped a half step. but if you tune all 7 strings down one whole step, youd have A-D-G-C-F-A-D, so dropping it would make drop G G-D-G-C-F-A-D. hope this helped and wasnt too confusing =)
syncopation includes a variety of rhythms which are in some way unexpected in that they deviate from the strict succession of regularly spaced strong and weak but also powerful beats in a meter.
whats the brand of the guitar?
@Karnivool09 i think when i first heard of meshuggah it was labeled as something like "math metal" or "technical metal" or whatever. groove metal meant something different like kyuss or whatever.
@ZorakSpaceGhost imo something mediumish gauge, usually when i play this kinda stuff i dont want the strings to be too thin otherwise they wobble around and you cant control them, but at the same time when they're too thick you won't be able to pick as hard and make the "snapping" sound important in djent, if that makes sense; but its up to you really just experiment and record yourself playing diff gauges and see which one sounds most djenty but like i said imo something medium is nice
This cool guy is really giving something to new generations of guitar players..! Keep it up misha!!
In this video, he's using the John Petrucci pickups, the CrunchLab/LiquiFire. Otherwise, I've seen him use Bareknuckles (Which are better but more expensive)
I think the notes are in A harmonic minor. Possibly? Because he's grooving around the seventh degree of the scale maybe that's where the dark and evil sound comes from.
@gmoney101392 things in gp wont have the original 'flavor' because its a computer simulating the accents and stuff; ofc that's provided you haven't made mistake with the tabbing. if it is indeed an issue with the tabbing, try singing the riff while clapping your hands; then just work it out :) also depending on the song your riff may or may not fit into the 4/4, for example lots of messhugah drums are in 4/4 but the guitars aren't, BUT you still write it out in 4/4; hope i answered your question
dude scales are super easy to learn and massive help when you write songs
@NoaOno some tuners (specifically zoom products) for some time only had tuners that would read in sharps and not flats. examble: if i went half step from standard E it wouldn't read as Eb it would show up as D#.
what pick-ups is that on the bridge? i really love the sound of it.... :D
Why use a floyd rose setup without actually making use of the floyd, why not just use a fixed bridge/hardtail? Im confused
Nath Smith tuning stability
Looks hella cool too
I literally just keep that first riff on repeat I'm basically addicted to it sooo much feeeeellll uhggg
@GreenDayRockout he uses them in his white bernie rico guitar but in this one hes using a dimarzio crunchlab
I like his guitar. I wonder what brand it is.
@avenegedslaterfold He's also featured on the cover of this month's Moccha Emporium, How cool is that for a debut?!
@TheTurk92 its his custom made bernie rico jr 7 string
"Well, I don't really know what else to say. I'll just keep reminding everyone that I'm bending and using this picking style to create riffs that I crafted into a song." There is no way I could put this concept into any more detail than Misha is. Props.
Where this guitar tune would be situated in a piano, I mean octave wise?
what's the song that plays right at the start of the clip, before the actual workshop begins? Is that a Periphery tune?
i wonder why they put so much reverb on his guitar sound, you can hear that it's not the natural reverb from the room he's sitting in.
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intro song: Periphery - Buttersnips
Which brand made this guitar? I mean the headstock is just miraculous.
@njegos88 ...yes, as it's played on just one string. Would be strange if he needed 2.
ok if i take a 7 string and tune it down a whole step the lowest string is already "a". if you drop that it should be g-flat, shouldn't it?
4:07 what is he saying? I have my boobs?!!!
+Sayan Sengupta I think he said: "I have my BULB" (his signature model)
+Sayan Sengupta my Move***
Here's a little factoid for y'all.
Metallica has used this tuning that Misha is using in this video. Anyone guess which song it was?
Fuck man, I want that tone without spending the money on an AxeFx.
How does he get this crunchy sound? like around 0:30-0:40 ... please only answer if you really know what you are saying, thx !
great to see a seven string lesson, this song rocks
Dj0nt plz
@RougeFugitive
Bernie Rico Jr Jekel. Bernie Jr is the son of Bernardo Chavez Rico sr, the founder of BCR
Does anyone know if that's a crunch lab 7 pick up he's using? As i'm thinking of getting one
What bridge pickup is he using? Anyone know. Im gonna start playing djent styles on a 6 string... ANy string thickness you guys recommend.
@Route8Productions I think it might be a Decimator Pedal or something, very annoying! :C
Is Misha still using aftermath bareknuckle pickups?
@aki010 what is there to under stand about meshuggah its always in 4/4
@LOSKARE it's basically a rhythm created by focusing on a certain beat, hard to explain, but easy to understand when you hear it.
question for anyone out there
say i make a riff just messing around how do i figure out what time signature i'm playing in? when i go to put it in guitar pro which is auto 4/4 my stuff always looses something and never has the original 'flavor' that i give when playing it myself. I understand what time sig is but i just need to know how to label a time sig am i making any sense? xD
@MrAmbidex1 i didnt say misha used bc rich guitars, and what brand do you use thats so much better than bc rich?
i have the same hook/claw pinky on my picking hand while i play too!
This guy seems to be a chill-out type, plus he play nice music, I think he knows what he is doing.
Someone knows something about his strings gauge in this tuning ? thx !
this video about the bends. it is turkish scale. also known as the 24 note scale.
He uses awesome scales without knowing it. Because awesome comes natural.
witch pickups do you use ? , you could get a better sound in the low end
I think the camera mic could use more noise gate.
"It sounds positively huge in my opinion". I don't know why but that fucking cracks me up. i've never thought of the sound of very heavy set power chords as sounding huge. I like that.
@Kmac2021 Technically it's the tone since Djent is an onomatopoeia for the tonal quality of the guitar. Staccato is the picking style.
well 1 its majorly due to just the tuning. Even if u had everything exactly the same,if you dont have those thick strings & low tuning u wont get that right vibration he has. After that, simply alota gain gives it alota that sharp-to-the-ear crunch. Beyond that, it just comes down to pedals. Even with cheaper pedals, theres So much more there than ppl know because each sound can be tweaked like Crazy. So if you have a more expensive "mother board" pedal, the possibilities are near endless.
Why does he play riffs from Catch Thirtythree and Nothing?
I love his tone! It's very original!
You don't need to know a lot of theory to write music like they do. It really comes down to having a good ear for melody, being able to choose notes that sound good together. You need to know how to count too, obviously.
@TheTurk92 It's a Bernie Rico Jr. I believe.
So can anyone tell me the full tuning?
@konsco What is the b? So is it just AEADGBE?
@FISHFACEmatt Has Meshuggah feel to it and the same kind of bends like in Meshuggah-Rational gaze.
notice how the intro to icarus lives is neurotica by meshuggah lol
anyone know the amp he is using in this video?
your gat has no fret markers ill have to find the tab =(
I want his guitar! seven string, natural wood color, awesome looking headstock, and the fact that its a bernie rico jr. !
Is the highest string ever used on Icarus Lives? I'm thinking about learning it on a 6 string, but downtuning the fuck out of my guitar wouldn't really work if all the strings are used :/
What is the intro song???
what song is playing in the intro?
@Immersedx He's not overrated... he has a unique feel for rhythm, melody and music as a whole. D'uh - just because you're watching one of their easier songs.
@TANTRUMENTAL oh....those pickups sounds great...
@UnconciousHippie i know he uses bareknuckles but somehow i think the bridge pickup looks like John Petrucci's dimarzio's
What bc rich model guitar does he use??
what is the guitar he is using, anyone know?
@Kmac2021 I absolutely and totally agree. It's all progressive and/or groove metal IMO.
@againstallpractices i was confused by bulb's explanation, thank you!
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I wonder what processing his voice is going through. Compressor and noise-gate at least.
@pstlpwn In that djent is good but very trendy so you get a lot of crap mixed in with it?
Does anyone here know what kind of 7 string guitar that is ?!
@pstlpwn "I think Djent is the dubstep of heavy music." what? in what sense?