The Delorean is Back and so is Right to Repair
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- Опубліковано 31 тра 2024
- Before talking about iFixit, Apple, and UA-cam spam comments, Marques and Andrew dig into some EV news. First, they talk about the hype of the new EV Delorean that was teased before getting into some of the new Lexus teasers as well. Electric cars, UA-cam, and gadgets. Just your average episode of Waveform!
Plus, there's more trivia! Hope you're well-versed on your tech history because these are a little more difficult.
Chapters:
00:00 Intro
00:44 Delorean EV
10:40 Lexus talk
20:17 Trivia question #1
20:42 Indeed (Sponsored)
21:52 The state of right to repair
31:20 Trivia question #2
31:54 Ad break
31:56 UA-cam bots and spam comments
43:56 Answering the trivia questions
49:25 Outro
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Lexus teases its first electric vehicle: bit.ly/Lexusone
Lexus RZ electric SUV: bit.ly/lexusrzelectric
iFixit article: bit.ly/ifixitvalve
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The lexus LFA was never made to be the fastest performing car out there. It was made to provide one the most incredible driving experiences of all time which many would argue is still true today.
What do you mean? I’ve never heard about this before
From the mechanical feel the steering wheel gives the driver to the incredible steering response and control and even the incredible sound in cabin and outside with the help of Yamaha. Ur not a car enthusiast if u haven't heard this. It's known as a legendary car with it's prices skyrocketing at the moment in the used market.
Spot on. A good "drivers" car isn't necessarily a high performance car. Same as how the small 2 seat coupes like the Miata are so revered even though they have pretty poor relative performance to true super cars
Its also fun that they got Yamaha to not only design the engine but also the acoustics of the exhaust to resonate on the cabin too!
@@ChiralWolf agreed. Personally like the BRZ/frs more than the Miata but the same idea applies. Can't deny the Miata is an incredible vehicle even tho it has no power
Gull-wing doors is a normal term for those doors. Falcon wing doors, I believe, are the ones that have "elbow" in the door.
Elon called it a split gull-wing
@@brandon_nope I think he "explained" it as a split gull-wing but it called a falcon wing door.
@@jamarforsythe7262 yeah that's what I attempted to explain
Thank you Obie for explaining this. I feel like he should have done a little more intel on this.
Haha yeah I was honestly shocked they didn’t know the term!
If anyones wondering on the doors:
- DeLorean: gullwing doors
- Model X: falcon wing
- Lamborghini: scissor doors
- Rolls Royce: suicide doors
Correct.
With the "gull-wing" really becoming famous with the Mercedes-Benz 300 SL in the early 1950s.
@@CertifiedSlamboy This is the only answer
Always good and interesting topics, outstanding audio quality, intelligent people I like to hear. Thank you very much
Looks like a lot of people see it that way
Dear Marques,
it would be very good if you could implement repairability/sustainability in your tech reviews!
Thank you so much for talking about Right to Repair, I would love to see more!
DMC stands for DeLorean motor company. The DMC 12 is the original DeLorean. The Lamborghini doors are either dihedral doors (commonly referred to as butterfly doors) or scissor doors which are also a form of dihedral doors.
This current DeLorean Motor Company, is not, and has never been, associated with the original company, but supports owners of DeLoreans through service, restoration and the sale of New old stock, OEM, aftermarket and replacement parts.
Thanks for the work you put into these podcasts, I love them. Definitely my favorite content on yt right now.
Keep up the good work guys, love the transparency 🇿🇦
I'm glad you guys are getting more into car content but I have a few criticisms of your car discussion.
1. As said in other comments, having a fun or top 5 drivers car does not mean just having an insane 0-60 sec car. The Porsche taycan is the perfect EV example. It doesn't have the best 0-60 sec but it's a great driver's car. Driving is much more than pure acceleration
2. The discussion on below 2sec 0-60 is weird because there are two cars currently that can do that: the plaid and Rimac Nevera. Even though both do a bit of cheating to do that (1foot of rollout removed). Toyota also didn't say the price they're targeting so they can just do the same thing Rimac and Tesla did. I think you guys give Tesla way too much credit and assume other car makers are just incompetent or Tesla is revolutionary and doing things other people can't. Toyota if they wanted to can make a car like that in under 3 years under low volume and in 5 years with decent volume. Tesla isn't special. They just had the insight to invest in electric early.
3. Other car companies such as Nio are making amazing progress with battery tech. I know you guys are only focused on US based vehicles but if you're into EV tech, I'm hoping you'd be willing to look at alternatives that are there around the world.
Opening the Gigafactory in Austin was a major event. It featured engineering and manufacturing and showed everyone that there are amazing careers in these fields. It's important to show people who are going to enter the job market in the next several years that they can learn a skillset which is valued and celebrated. It was an event where Sandy Munro was a celebrity who everyone wanted to meet. We need more of this.
As someone who has a hobby of both cars and tech, watching mainly tech guys try to talk about cars is… interesting
The gull wing door design originated from the Mercedes Benz 300-SL, and the Lamborghini doors they’re talking about are called scissors doors
Back To The Future reboot underway
I gotta gripe, there is more to a cars performance than its acceleration. Yes, it’s very important but, there are many other important things not considered. One is the lateral acceleration, a 5000lb car cannot without some sort of extreme aero, out handle a 2500lb car with the same tires. Another is the geometry of the suspension and the steering mechanism. Bad geometry can be a ruinous thing to a car, and not being able to feel the road can create a feeling of disconnect. If you want to see a real example of a good company with fantastic cars, look a Koenigsegg. All in all though, love the podcast.
Outstanding podcast.
Love you WVFRM.
I don't watch any news or articles and you guys are my go to when informing myself on stuff.
Nobody’s been in the Hybrid game longer than Toyota, they know their batteries, and always do things right. I think they can do the electric super car as well as they did the LFA, and can do it relatively quickly.
@@9Skateboard7 doubt what reference? 5 years is not slow.
Lfa had years of over budgeted and delayed production. Was a mess.
Toyota also have a lot of knowledge about batteries and electric tech from WEC. You can't right them off
Yeah I'm not sure what's keeping them from pursuing it along with Honda. The Honda Insight and Toyota Prius were great models from both companies.
'I don't invest in companies that I cover' Marques transparency is amazing
I'll take that as true, with the caveat that that may not be true forever. For example, his honesty let us know he thought "maybe I should invest in Tesla."
@@PrestoJacobson yes friend, but he knows how profitable investing in Tesla would be since he has been covering them since forever but he has chosen not too.
It shouldn't be amazing it should be the norm as Linus would say
What the crap?! I just found this podcast! Have I been living under a rock?! This is soo good. I will go back and listen to every episode as part of my penitence. Penitence? Or am I really indulging? :D
Lamborghini doors and that style of opening is Scissor doors versus like a McLaren where they pop out a bit before going upwards. The craziest door design is what Koenigsegg uses which is the dihedral synchro helix doors, designed in-house, like pretty much all their technologies and parts, it's unlike any other door design and amazing to see in action.
to add to what Arthur said, Maclaren use what are called Butterfly doors
Toyota and Lexus could achieve what they said they will with the solid state batteries they have been working on. These batteries will have higher energy density (longer range) and higher energy release (acceleration). They announced expected commercialization in 2025, but in Hybrids first. For a BEV perhaps 2026 or 2027.
I need DeLorean to put a flux capacitor somewhere inside this car. I don't care how they work out the licensing deal with universal somebody somewhere at DMC needs to make that happen. Whether it's cosmetic hardware inside the car or via software on the dash I'm pretty sure they can figure it out
Screensaver duh
Suicide doors have the hinge on the rear side of the door instead of the front of the car, so Andrew was partially right since cars like BMW i3 has suicide doors in the back doors, but not front.
The thing about speed for the DeLorean. I think he perhaps means top 5 driving cars, rather than top speed or acceleration. I feel like they’re going for driving dynamics and fun rather than speed. Because realistically for a lot of car people, including me would think it’s all well and good going fast but if your at the speed limit in under 2 seconds where’s the fun in the drive.
You guys forgot about the Rimac Nevera
These 0-60 times you’re referring to are with 1’ roll out. No production car has gone a true 0-60 under 2 sec and the DeLorean is saying they want it to be a drivers car meaning make it handle and brake like a Porsche rather than just quick in a straight line like the plaid
Just went through and reported all the spam. Should give us a few minutes of peace lol
My local mall growing up was where they shot Twin Pines Mall for Back to the Future. It might be completely dead by the time this new Delorean comes out, but I hope they can get a shot of it there.
Very interesting new, modernized and EV version of the DeLorean DMC-12. Happy to see that it kept its heritage gull-winged doors and sloped design. Excited for this EV to hit the market !! ⚡️
3:44 DMC literally stands for The DeLorean Motor Company. And the new DeLoreans will be produced by DeLorean Motors Reimagined LLC, which is different from the original DeLorean company.
3:02 BUTTERFLY DOORS 😭😭😭
12:24 -- Eh, yeah, but I wouldn't be SO skeptical of Lexus. The average Lexus car might not be quite as nice as the average BMW or Mercedes, but they ARE great cars, and the big win for Lexus is the longevity of their cars. They're nicer cars, but you see SO many older ones on the road, which is a very good proof of how long-lasting they are built. Edit: And before morons start commenting, no the new cars are still fine, and still built to last, all new things are somehow magically worse than older things, nor are older things just inherently "better built". It doesn't work that way!
Maybe he meant top 5 electric car (popularity or sales wise)
1.21 was used as ghz to promote some phone from T-Mobile. That’s how I remember lol
What’s going to set the DMC ev apart will be the body material choice. I wonder if they’re going to use stainless steel again.
Asymptote. Haven’t heard that since high school. Nice!
Love the podcast, watch every episode, however, if there is going to be more and more EV content there has to be more knowledge about cars on the channel. I understand this isn’t a car channel and I understand the focus on EV content because of the tech aspect, but as a car guy there should be more car knowledge besides the 0-60(which can be irrelevant) and the cars range. Just constructive criticism. :)
10000% agree.
It hurts me when they get simple stuff wrong or don't know common things.
The only metric they seem to be aware of 0-60
Ya it's sad to see this for sure. I'm a huge fan of Marques work in terms of tech but in my personal opinion these guys aren't equipped with the knowledge to be reviewing cars
@@vp5429 if we are talking reliability then most ev vehicles have not even come close in terms of it. The only one that we can base it on so far is Tesla which consistently does not even come top 10 in terms of reliability metric. If u want a reliable box buy a Toyota. This is of course my opinion. I can understand younger people putting more emphasis on features such as autonomous driving etc but that doesn't make it reliable
a poll for the trivia would be cool!
The Delorean DMC-12 has always looked cool but the wing doors doesn't have the double hinge so opening them with a car next to you is almost impossible
I'm really loving the EV talk, keep up the great podcasts :)
I'm very cautiously excited for the DeLorean EV for all the reasons you guys talked about. A former legacy, but now basically startup, car company coming back after so many decades and potentially going off of Tesla's playbook could work out really well. I'm hopeful, skeptical, and rooting for them.
@@vp5429 Yeah it's technically not the original company. DeLorean Motor Company founded by John DeLorean went defunct in 1982. A guy named Stephen Wynne who at the time was a British mechanic moved to the US and opened a repair shop where he focused on repairing British and French cars. People with DeLoreans who needed repairs started going to him once the DeLorean Motor Company went out of business. He bought a warehouse with leftover DeLorean parts and would service the cars with those. He then acquired the rights to the DeLorean Motor Company's name, logo, and intellectual property and made himself the CEO and resurrected the company in 1995. And that's the company that's still going now that announced this new EV DeLorean. Not necessarily just a random billionaire. More like a pro mechanic and DeLorean enthusiast with money and passion for the brand. With the way the original company went under (there's a nice documentary on Netflix about it), getting the rights probably wasn't as expensive as you think and most proper wealthy people weren't interested in it at the time.
Dihedral, scissor, swan, and butterfly doors are the designs that open up "vertically" or swings out and up.
I think what the Delorean CEO meant was that, he wants the car to be like fun sports car and not a hyper car. kinda like a Alpha 124 spider vs a koenigsegg.
I'm concerned much more with range and longevity than speed. But I recognize that the two go hand and hand. I'm just uninterested in 0-60 in x time. I'd rather have an EV that has a range of 650+ miles. I wanna know that I can drive from one end of Montana to the other. Leave from Wallace, ID and get to Medora, ND without having to recharge. I know that's ridiculous lol and not necessary if/when the charging infrastructure gets better but I wanna know that it's possible. I also have zero interest in any self driving feature. Yes, I'm a nun in the future looking for an EV lol.
An evolution for the trivia segment could be you both write your answers on a white board and show them then read them out so that no one piggybacks off each other’s answers.
Yeah, but why do you think it's meant to be in the top five considering speed and acceleration? Maybe the guy meant he wants it to be in the top 5 most popular EVs, or top 5 most sought after vehicles.
0 to 88 is really a great idea 😂
Marques, I saw you on TXG, please tell me you'll have Ian on the podcast to talk about the evolution of golf and tech!!
omg listening to them talk about cars and try to remember what the doors are called is hilarious lol
Good discussion. ✌️
Regarding the Delorean, I’ve been waiting for this for years. All I care about is the design. I want it to be boxy like the original (though I’m concerned it will be smoothed out).
I’d love for it to be electric. It doesn’t have to go insanely fast, or self driving like a Tesla. It just needs the classic design and gull wing doors. That has been my dream car since BTTF.
It'll surely be smoothed up a lot more due to efficiency and range.
Yeah you’re probably right, which is a shame. I want the old retro look like the cyber truck, but if it’s electric, it may need to be more aerodynamic. As long as it has the gull wing doors.
Intresting comeback by DMC...Excited😍😍😍😍
There is an old saying in Korea.
"Who do you think I am? Lee Byung-chul?", referring to the wealthiest man in the country.
His grandson, Lee Jae-young is now the vice chairman of Samsung electronics, to be the CEO soon or later.
The samsung batteries are stuck in place with very strong adhesive. But taking them out doesn't break the screen when removing it.
I think an EV driving experience comparable to like a hot hatch would be a solid target market. It doesn’t have to compete with Tesla.
yeah, when a Car company compete with Tesla, most of them were like trying to beat Tesla in Tesla's own game.
Jason from Engineering Explained did a pretty good math on theoretical time of 0-100.. pretty much reverse of 100-0 where we kind of already are...
Idk, I would kinda sorta consider the single motor model y the showed as being a new “model”. From what I’ve read and seen others saying is there’s enough change between the Fremont and Austin version, mainly from build quality and modern updated practices, but it’s more than enough that I could totally see them becoming more of a Model Y-Fremont and Model Y-Austin versions among the community.
Working at phone repair store, I find it hilarious how protective tech UA-camr are about 3rd party repair. The majority of 3rd party repairs are people who could careless about official parts
Id really like a completely stripped down ev. No fancy computer bs. Make it as analog as humanly possible.
Something robust that is easily fixable with a interesting design. Make it like the car is straight out of the 1960s but it jut happens to be electric.
There's more to a car than just acceleration
Elaborate please!
@@LJLion I'm just saying that they only talk about acceleration as though it's the only quality in a car that matters and they don't give enough credit to other factors eg handling fun to drive sound etc
@@autograndeunlimited Thank you for the depth of substance you've added to your thought contrary to its initial rendition. It's gratifying to hear a well formed take.
You guys are underestimating Lexus’s dedication to stuff. Watch how the lfa was made and the recent gr Yaris/gr Corolla. Toyota has muchhh deeper pockets than many other mainstream auto makers too
I believe Lamborghini doors are called scissor doors , interesting podcast , could be longer tho 😄
3:06 scissor doors, I believe
The talk about the future of EVs and what will prevail kn the future is a little interesting but moot since in 25 years I'm fairly certain public transportation will be what prevails
Hello Marques!!! Just what i was waiting for!!
Once the new delorean hits 88 mph it should start playing BTtF theme :)
25:42
Guys, he meant 'A deep groove'
Doc said "1.21 Jigowatz" so you were right in it being off from gigga
It's actually 2.1 seconds. Technicality matters. It's still the fastest, but it's not under 2 seconds.
U said it first Marques Good phones are getting cheap and cheap phones are getting good, just apply that quote to cars eventually.
I felt like screaming scissor doors at the screen, but then I'd look crazy and it's no big deal anyway since we all know what you're talking about.
A couple of thoughts on the Toyota/Lexus topic that didn’t seem to be clear. Toyota is now very racing focused all the way from the top with the current ceo being a racer himself. While they didn’t put out very many performance cars in the last few years that is rapidly changing. There’s a great Donut media video on the topic. I would argue that they are more capable of making a high performance EV at this point than Tesla is. Perhaps by a big margin.
Secondly 0-60 times aren’t hugely important in the drivers car world. They get touted heavily in EV marketing because it’s a natural strength and it’s relatively easy to get that number low. The handling, and overall feel of driving the car is much harder to nail and has a larger impact on the overall experience.
I agree these EVs are getting very quick and will only get quicker but they are not yet the fastest cars in the world.
3:11 Scissor doors
Well, John Delorean is dead, and the company folded forever ago. DMC has always been the company ( delorean motor company ) and the original model was called the DMC-1 iirc.
New company with the name DMC and the rights to everything, I’m guessing. Define new company trading on the nostalgia- but a good strategy to get your EV company off the ground.
Original pre-production name was DMC-12, wasn't used in anything though.
The current delorean have basically been a parts supplier and restorer of the old ones.
the original car was just called the Delorean. In pre-production it was given the code DMC 12 as already stated by Esa but nowhere in their marketing material was it called that. To call it the DMC 12 is like calling a 1st gen RX-7 an X-605, the code Mazda used for it in pre production. In production it was given a chassis code of P642, but rotorheads call them SA or FB and none of these are related to the car's actual name or was sold by, RX-7.
DMC-12! That’s right. Good points. A kids dad in my neighborhood had one when I was growing up, I was amazed and infatuated like anyone who saw BttF. Was sad to learn later how crappy they actually were and could barely crest 85MPH downhill pedal to the floor 😄
Usually the EV section isn't until much later in the podcast
DMC - DeLorean Motor Company (I agreed with Andrew initially but I decided to check that on the internet...)
It's an interesting possibility that most cars could gain the ability to accelerate to 0 to 60 in a couple seconds. I wonder if that becomes a safety issue and if it might spark an *acceleration* limit.
Have you studied the flagged comments to see how many *more* real accounts are getting blocked under stricter conditions? How inaccurate is it.
Why not put restrictions on the age of an account and only accounts above a certain age can make comments.
Do not underestimate those nutters at lexus. The LFA was a feat of engineering that has not been replicated.
The original DeLorean Motor Company went bankrupt in 1982. The founder was caught up in a drug trafficking sting. A new company called DeLorean Motor Company was founded in 1995 in Texas, by someone unrelated to the original company, and shortly acquired the remaining inventory of the old DMC company.
This start up prob had Angel investors lined up at the door… if the 1st car is executed to near perfection, the company will be able to go about a business model similar to Tesla..
If the car is a proto-type in Aug, expect it to ship in 2024-2025
I had my first bot reply from Arun's. Then in MKBHD.
August 18 is a special day for me lol
Gullwing comes from Mercedes 300 SL from 50's
Samsung is an old brand. Let's put it like this, the Apple //c had an optional monochrome monitor and Samsung made the CRT inside it and this was 1984. Back when their logo looked similar to the Subaru logo.
Isn’t the Tesla sub 2s time a rolling start? No gas car measures 0-60s like that. Which I think is a huge caveat.
Will you guys talk about the Tesla price hike at some point?
Did you forget Rimac nivera ! 0-60 in 1.85 second!!!
Only 150 units though
@@brandon_nope they said fastest car not fastest mass produced car
do a video on how big samsung is!
The world doesn’t need everyone driving a 3sec to 60 EV. People cannot handle our current cars, we have tens of thousands of deaths a year with slow gas vehicles. We need more safety systems, long range and higher efficiency but the real change will be peoples mindset on what cars are for, and unfortunately in the US that is highly unlikely to change even in multiple decades.
Anyone know what the top down game on the Steam Deck is?
Just a thought… Couldn‘t the Delorean be what the Mazda Miata was: A (relatively) cheap, reltively moderatly speced, driver-oriented fun car?
The level of incompetence in this video is staggering. I drop out at 11th minute…
So, an Apple grafic to explain the Accelaration curves 😅😅
There were a number of Deloreans in my area when they were first made. Ungainly handling, poor engine and actually blah for the time. The only notable thing about it (and it wasn't the doors) was that you could fry an egg on the stainless steel body panels after an hour parked in the summer sunlight.
Also, they couldn't finish stainless steel with automobile paint in the early eighties and electroplating only became industrially commercial in the late 80s (and originally could only do black - Toro passed until they figured out how to do red). So you were stuck with a bland, hot-to-the-touch car.
I want this car!
Yeah Delorian prototype is very interesting with that metallic paint also, I think in reference to the original car from the film 🎞 👍
Get Jake Baldino in here.
DMC is Delorean Motor Company. The car everyone remembers from Back to the Future is a DMC-12. I don't think they haven't announced what the new car will be called.
Idk if you guys have seen these bots before or not, but there are bots who start a conversation about crypto and investment and they start talking about a guy who is a good advisor. Then, some other bots come and say how much they earned after working with that advisor while more and more of them join the fuss. I think it is obvious that they are bots, but be careful everyone
They want the delorean to handle well. They're more worried about handling than 0-60
Depends on where you live I guess. Out here in NY, 0 to 60 means nothing due to road rules and road conditions.
I believe that the UA-cam bots just shows how easy it is to fool someone when it comes to an influencer they really like.
Marque if you’re rw or in the following minutes I just want to say hello 👋🏻 I hope you guys are doing well. I’m from Uruguay 🇺🇾😅
WE JUST WANT ANDREW IN A CAR RELATED PODCAST, THANK YOU