Answers to some common questions I'm seeing. 1. The NZXT CAM software that rotates the AIO was still downloading along with everything else on our amazing 20Mbps internet, and I had between 6pm Friday and 12pm Saturday to edit and upload the video. 2. There are 2 hidden intake fans on the bottom of this case, I was hoping to get away with having 2 intake and 4 exhaust to optimize temps, but the negative pressure would've been a gooch collector. The rear 2 fans have since been flipped to intake. 3. I appreciate you all sharing your opinion on RGB and you all bring up some great points. My concern is the industry is using RGB as a crutch instead of actually innovating designs and performance.
@@SalemTechsperts i have one side of my pc that is glass so what he says is true but as i have hand issues i can only do so much. i have minimal rgb stuff. just got to find some one that can check my thermal paste and liquid cooling system
@@idahofur It definitely works for some people, and not for others. I like to keep my PC clean, my brother doesn't care. We both have a case with glass.
Same but in white. But I still want my PC to look *clean*. if I do anything to that white, it'll be to get clear tubed water-cooling, put some neon pink UV reactive colorant, and install some blacklight LEDs.
As the only small-town repair and builder shop in my town, aside from a corporate repair place, I've noticed a significant lack of understanding regarding RGB wiring control. People of all ages bring in their builds, often riddled with mismatched RGB parts. I wish there was a mandatory standard that companies had to adhere to because often, the cheaper options come with proprietary connectors for fans, which is incredibly frustrating. While this conversation revolves around RGB and wiring, what frustrates me the most is when people invest more in a CPU than a GPU for gaming. Countless times, individuals have come in with a Ryzen 9 or Intel i9 paired with a 4060-4070, or the AMD equivalent, usually saying, "my friend told me what parts to get." It's disheartening because they could have opted for a '7' or the "5" variant and invested the difference in a superior GPU.
The main problem is their isn't a standard. Most of the Bigger companies conform to the 5V standard. But just like fans and storage drives, you got the smaller/cheap companies doing whatever they want, like using Molex still, at least make it sata powered, at least people have those.
The fact that you run a business inside an addition to a Subway makes us relate more to you than many YT channels because we can see ourselves in that tiny spot rather than these tech palaces. Your skills and humor are a bonus.
RGB was so painful. I asked 3 different people FROM CORSAIR if I had the right fan controllers for my 9 fans. They said yes and they were completely wrong. Had to wait for new fans to arrive that actually worked with the fan controllers.
But I do love the RGB. It sucks for building but works amazing as a show piece. As someone that builds one PC every 5-7 years I can say that I do love having something flashy since it’s literally the price of 3 2005~ Mazda MX-5s
@@viperpit-k5j my experience was quite good after this. They accepted a return of used fans instantly and I’m sure you know that as soon as a fan is used it’s VERY clearly been used
I knew the greatest technician wouldn't disappoint. Finally someone who installs the AIO last rather than having the radiator flopping around while working on the motherboard.
I just built a new pc. I got the Fractal Torrent case with solid metal side panels. I am not only with you on the RGB, I am also with you on the principle of function over form. Ideally a good computer case should provide good airflow and protect the components. If you build it right you should forget it's even there!
Thats why i love the tower 300. -Its small- , good airflow(and lots of goochfilters) AND nice to look at. Dont need RGB on it at all. And if you are crazy enough you could easily mod it for show or for modding purposes. And it fits perfectly on a sub on the floor in the livingroom
Maybe I'm alone here, but I actually love ARGB. I hate the default rainbow configuration that every RGB thing comes in, but I love being able to set the colors of my components and have all these cool effects syncing across your whole desk when you use something like SignalRGB (not an ad). That being said, ARGB is fucking AGGRAVATING to set up and I would never want to burden my technician with it. I'm a hobbyist builder and try to DIY as much as I can. Vanity and customization fall right into the DIY category I also would never buy a case just because it looks nice. Airflow, cost and ease of building come first, design second
I do enjoy having a synced experience w/ my monitor lights when playing a game so I understand that. It’s all opinion and I respect the decision 100%. I just don’t like how manufacturers are using RGB as a crutch to stifle innovation.
No you're the majority, that's why it sells so good. The RGB haters are mostly the extremely loud minority on the internet like ALWAYS. in real life most people love it
"Ram first, then cpu, then ssd, gpu last." -proceeds to install ram last- Do agree on the rgb. I think it's a neat thing, but once you go beyond 2 or so rainbow items (ram/gpu, a couple fans or the cpu, not all at once), it starts looking cheap. Vastly prefer either keeping the rest blank or a solid color. Also splurging on rgb out the whazoo and case, but going cheap on the ssd? Strange priority imo.
@@SalemTechsperts A popular car mechanic always goes by the 'Non plan plan." That way, if anything goes wrong, you never deviated from your nonexistent plan.
That's because you never see people use rgb. You just see them use rainbow or color cycle. Rgb allows you to use any color you want or lighting effects and even games like Warframe can control your lighting effects and make cool things happen based on the abilities you are using. You just don't know since you want to pretend that choice is a trash option since you see the demo mode and think that's standard operating mode. Lol.
@trsskater I use my RGB. I always set the color of different fans to the season. Makes it look way nicer. But yeah, but the people that just leave it on rainbow, it's like that's a waste of money. You are not using other effects. What's the point.
Andy & Lupe...honestly RGB and fan headers need some serious redesign to simplify things. Like why TF does it run from a sata cable? we need those for hard drives! Also a cable per Fan?! Just make them addressable and a single cable, its not that hard! And Why can't a case come with the hub already build in? Finally, why TF are these cases soo big with soo much wasted empty space? Love the content guys, 💯!
Companies fighting for adoption of their own proprietary design has stifled innovation and the consumer is the one having to deal with it. It's insane how nothing has changed in like 30 years
I had a customer get pissed at me because of the rts best of cables in the back of that case. For context this customer pretty much went on Amazon typed in RGB and just clicked add to cart. He had 3 different rgb hubs, a ton of fans, and not enough space for all these cables . There was no amount of cable management that could make it look nice. He also didn’t have enough rgb headers on his board. I charged him my standard build fee of $179, later he wrote a nasty google review saying how terrible I was at building. Mind you I’ve been building PCs since I was 11 I’m 28 now. Every PC in my house is meticulously cable managed and I do the same for my customers but the difference is I choose parts that work together, and none of my PC had RGB and if they do all of it is from on company.
The recent PC gaming boom has brought a bunch of ignorant individuals who want their favorite influencer's COOL GAMER PC Meanwhile when i built a PC i weighed compatibilities, prices, options, AM4 vs LGA 1151 etc. Its why i try to ask the client/customer what their budget is and just give them a cart/list of parts that they'd be able to get within that budget
@@Mr.Genesis Yeah this guy didn't want my input he just wanted me to put the thing together. At the end of the day he's not a customer I want to keep, he didn't care about quality he just wanted cool looks at a cheap price. I care far more about quality than quantity or flashy looks.
@@somekindofdude1130 Bro, what? maybe I'd let my FRIEND pay me 50 dollars to build a gaming PC... As a BUSINESS tho? You're just straight up lying, Lmao.
I am and Old Man Yelling to the Clouds too, RGB is a Useless Fad, Unicorn Vomit, a PC Case Just need to have good air flow, be practical to needs of the user, and silent.
Why cant people just accept other opinions? I LOVE RGB, my pc looks like a disco ball, there's not a single thing that doesn't have rgb. I personally hate boring ugly plastic boxes.
"Useless" by an utilitarian point of view. It's not "useless" if you like it. I dunno you but i want my stuff to look nice in my home. What's wrong with that?
I've built three PCs ever, and the third was a proper gaming rig with AIO RGB and 6 ARGB fans. Everything else was great and the cable management was top tier, thing was immaculate from all sides. The fans themselves connected with pogo pins so that was nice, but each group of fans and the AIO had a USB, RGB, SATA power, and fan/pump header connectors. It was a god-damn nightmare, and 65% of my PSU basement is now an RGB cable rats' nest. Not to mention that I basically got lucky that I bought a kit of 3 fans that had all kinds of extra cables and a controller, because the cables provided with the AIO and with the two individual fans used different connectors despite being from the same manufacturer and being same model of fans.
I've worked in computer repair before but that was before the RGB craze had set in. And boy am I glad about that! My last personal rig build had me lamenting ever choosing RGB for my own PC because it was a nightmare to wire everything up and tidying the mess. The way the industry is going, I don't personally see RGB going anywhere but I sure as hell wish it wasn't so annoying to deal with when assembling a rig.
I hope you went with what you wanted and enjoyed. Sometimes, the case can be even nice and better than the RGB. I use ARGB because I enjoy it. But I would never push it on other people. Especially if they have budget the RGB would add to the cost.
TBH I don't remember a time when glass/plastic panels and some sort of RGB was not part of PC building for enthusiast(I'm almost in my 40s so its been awhile), it has exploded over the last decade especially because of RGB fans, but the concept of having a PC with tons of lights has been here for many decades. What I like is that nowadays you can have it both ways for those who want a super minimalist PC there is a case for you, for those who like over the top cases there is a case for you, and for whatever in between there is case also, and its obvious that the vast majority of consumers gravitate towards glass panels and RGB, in my opinion its always nice seeing a over the top PC in someones desk.
Senior tech here. I watch you videos less to learn (although I do still learn!) but more to just hear another person with reason speaking to the issues in the industry.. yes RGB is dumb AF. My personal computer looks like a pile of scrap and will out perform 90%+ pf PCs out there because I build it to work, not to look cool. Anyway, thanks for these vids. I'm super detail-oriented about this stuff and you're basically never wrong, if not teaching me about new stuff. I'm from the northeast and when I get back there I'll 100% be hiring you to do MY work. Cheers man!
I set all RGB off or a deep purple. One good use is you know immediately if a part hasn't turned on. Also I wish there were more white cases instead of black interiors.
Home builder here. RGB is fun, but not required. My list is 1. Components 2. Air Flow 3. Looks And if you are charging more for hooking up RGB, you should. Every minute you spend hooking up RGB is a minute you aren't building another PC or fixing one. So hell yeah, change for that shit.
Considering I keep my gaming PC in the bedroom, I prefer no lights at all and a case that doubles as a wind tunnel. If I keep my PC on at night I would like to be able to fall asleep and not experience the rainbow all night long.
@@Kratos95034 Yeah, you're stating the obvious here, but I prefer no lights. I think they are a waste of energy even while my system proportionately dwarfs the total usage, why creep the universe even one iota towards its eventual heat death for something I don't even appreciate. Besides, why even take on yet another thing I have to adjust before heading off to bed however minor and addressable with automation, this is something I dont have to deal with if they didn't exist in the first place.
@@cvmagic404 I am with you. I rather have a function over aesthetics computer. If I'm gonna hide it in a corner anyways, what's the point of spending the extra on lights that I'm never gonna even turn on?
I can agree, I hate hoe RGB has been and as a fellow builder, it really takes up time. I remember last year when we all got upgrades and new pc's, we spent so much time on a friends new PC because the damn RGB was not working properly. I can say that RGB like Lian Li and Corsair have made it easier with the daisy chain with fans. The only down side to that is the cost as Corsair's new ique link is around $700 for fans and an AIO. I typically do not charge any extra for "standard" RGB but if they go nuts with more lighting and bars things like that, then I would stick a small uptick in the pricing. RGB pains is the reason my next build here soon for myself is going to be minimal if any. A lot easier when that's not a factor. Also keep up the amazing content, love seeing these after a long day.
PC builder here! RGB and lights on fans and cases are nice, but I'm of the same vain with you: not really needed and makes too much unnecessary clutter. I like to prioritize airflow and efficiency before I think about what RBG or lights I could get. You could make your computer look as fancy as you want, but it's always under the hood that matters.
@@SalemTechsperts No different here in the UK when you lump on business rates and so on. GB£2k/month will get you a hole in the wall in the outskirts of a major town.
Fuck both of those prices. There may be nothing here but corn, churches and bars, but my $800 a month mortgage is well worth the lack of "glamour" and "culture" for the property I got. If I want "culture", Chicago is just one river and 3 hours away.
I've Built Hundreds of System, and to be honest I still Love Building. Sure Builds are getting more Cables and wires and Such, But I still enjoy the challenge ! RGB Yes is becoming a Problem, Corsair has done With there new stuff. But its Pricey. If Everyone followed suit perhaps it would be better in the long run, But that I don't think that will happen. RGB is here to stay. Its not going anywhere in my opinion. Great Video!
I love hearing you haven’t lost your passion! Indeed, if the industry innovated and made it easier and less complicated, it wouldn’t be such a big deal. Thanks for watching and being a member!
It's a star exploding in its final stage of life, before either collapsing into a black hole or neutron star, or diffusing into a nebula. It's "massive" for certain definitions of that word 😛 Yeah, it's odd for a PSU. Maybe they just thought it sounded powerful or something.
Terrible branding choice. But you won't find a better PSU. Maybe they were being ironic? Perhaps they thought about the fact a supernova releases a lot of energy and didn't consider the massive explosion part. If you're cheap like me, you just get the GD model which is basically the same PSU but not called 'Supernova' because it is non-modular. Better to not tempt the fates.
Bro dont ever change your workplace or format. It makes you more relatable rather than those fancy studios other creators have. I mean its not that I don't like them or anything, but your workplace is what makes your content synonymous with your work and and charm.
I completely agree with you; sometimes a LOT of the RGB components have a 3 pin connector and therefore require a 3 pin slot on the motherboard; the problem is that most motherboards will only come with one.
The last time I installed that NZXT AIO and turned on the computer after putting the build together the hub began to smoke. I do like RGB if done nicely inside of a build but the majority look atrocious and also like you said putting together builds that are heavy on the RGB is more time consuming and depending on the manufacturer can be a pain in the ass to put together.
Holy shit 😂 I’ve never had that happen thankfully. Yeah it’s the assembling that’s a killer. Especially when every minute of my day is stressing on how to pay rent and I’m stuck with 20 wires.
@@SalemTechsperts I miss the days when AIO's weren't a thing and all you needed was a beefy air cooler like my Noctua NHD-14 I have cooling my i7 3770k build that's 11 years old. All my mony goes towards bills and rent right now.
this video is great and I appreciate seeing a PC builder's more physical perspective on the problem. personally as someone who uses OpenRGB, I've gotten to see more of the software side of it. it's amazing to see all the software the community has developed to get hundreds of RGB devices and controllers unified under one software. however it's also sad to see that it has taken jumping though numerous hoops in order to only get basic functionality for many of these devices, and how it takes jumping through even more hoops for the end-user who wants to control their motherboard's RGB for example. why is this such a hard thing for manufacturers to get right??? why do we need like five different RGB control suites for parts that exist on the same computer? who even benefits from this fragmentation? personally I am not a big fan of RGB, partly because of this but also because I like a clean, modest build. the RGB parts I have on my current machine were either chosen because they were the cheapest at the time or because it contributed to the clean look with or without RGB. I probably won't ever do this again, though, because getting my Corsair Vengeance RAM and ASRock motherboard to work under OpenRGB made for the exact hoop-jumping experience described earlier. and the RAM defaults to the brightest rainbow gradient imaginable and it's incredibly distracting, and changing it on startup is not always reliable. in my opinion, the aesthetics of RGB are not for me, but I do appreciate the incredible builds and well-crafted eye candy some people have been able to pull off with all the available RGB technology today. however, the state of RGB controller drivers and protocols today is such garbage, and manufacturers should definitely be pushed to unify or at least open up their protocols or driver implementations for everyone to use however they like, without being tied down and limited by proprietary software for each and every brand of RGB. I think this will really raise the limits for what can be done with RGB, beyond flashy flashy rainbow clown vomit all the time.
@@SalemTechsperts Honestly this sounds like you are being judgemental for no good reason. Nothing wrong with people wanting their stuff to look nice, don't be judgy about it. 🤷
@Azarilh It's sarcasm, you probably have heard of it. It's okay if he makes a joke. You don't have to take it personally, and try to brand him as judgemental.
There's nothing wrong with him being judgemental. Let people have opinions, not everyone is going to agree with you. Yes it's dumb, yes I still did it anyway because I want to see Ishmael inside my pc case. Laugh at yourself.
I do think that RGB motifs are here to stay...unfortunately. I don't have a computer repair shop, but I've built PCs for myself, some family members and friends (not for free). Enough for me to know that people would be willing to spend hundreds of dollars more just to have lights in their computer, that within a few months live underneath their desks. It's a weird trend and I do my best to explain to them that things are getting more expensive and inefficient due to RGB, but they demand it to be included in their build. I hate having to deal with ARGB headers, and hubs. The pins are so fragile and easy to break. The hubs can break due to over voltage from the SATA connections. The ARGB software from the manufacturers takes ages to load before I can do anything with the colors. Tech UA-camrs or a Techtubers' purpose is primarily to sell a product. Sometimes the product is themselves, other times it's whatever item they are reviewing.
Hey Andy, i just want to thank you for inspiring me to revive my laptop from the dead. I replaced the motherboard, screen and hdd with an ssd. Boot times went from an hour or more, to seven seconds.
haha rgb lights go brrrr but really I think RGB is good when it is implemented with the case, but then it's usually proprietary (NZXT, Corsair) which I dislike.
Yep, built a pc this year with no RGB components, just all black components in a white case that had built in RGB fans that I just keep on white/daylight. Looks slick with very minimal effort. I can control the RGB from software but there's no point since I can hit a button on the case to change them if I feel like it.
My most recent pc was fully intended to be a non-illuminated one, but the best bang-for-buck parts I acquired happened to all be RGB. It was fully built for performance, to be fast and quiet. Running full speed it is still quieter than the background noise of the house. The lighting just happened to be a byproduct of the purchase. I like having my hardware on display to look at, so a clear side panel is fairly standard for me, but my case came with 4 free fans that all had lights, the liquid cooler happened to have lights (and an infinity mirror), the motherboard had a controllable light, my $13 dollar mechanical keyboard from Goodwill happened to have lights, and a friend gave me 16gb RAM that he was phasing out of his computer that also happened to have lights. So I said screw it and lit it up. Honestly quite enjoyed it lit up. I don't do the unicorn vomit flashing RGB, period. It's just annoying to me. What I do like doing is setting it all to a single color scheme to whatever fits the computer best. Mine ended up being purple/black and it looks beautiful. I'm partial to the 80's-style synthwave/vaporwave color schemes and decided to model the whole rig around it. It 100% gives it its own feel and personality. My buddy runs exclusively red color schemes the same way as I did mine and they are absolutely gorgeous.
Just built my first PC. I have 3 different RGB software installed. GSkill for my Ram, Lian Li for my cable extenders and Razer Synapse with a Razer RGB controller for keyboard, mouse, case fans, and the Fractal Torrent LED strip. When Synapse was in beta, I had to resync everything that was connected to the controller when I rebooted. Annoying yes, but not a deal breaker, no. Now, Synapse works the way that I envisioned. I don't have a crazy light show. I have accent lighting. I don't have any conflicts at all. It just works. The extra RGB cables did make it bit messy. I did not have any desire to spend an inordinate amount of time making my wires look like something you would get from a reputable PC builder. It's not a spaghetti bowl, but it's also not that pretty. With that said, the next build will probably just have the Lian li extenders. I wanted the new Noctua cooler, but it would block my fancy ram. A white build just begs for RGB, black, not so much. The "white tax" and the "RGB tax" weren't that significant. What was significant were the limited options that I had for a white PSU (scored a Deepcool 1000 watt gold for the embargo), and motherboards. You had exactly one option for AMD 650 E-ATX. I just picked up an Asrock Taichi lite, which I think was the best bargain of my whole build. The next Build will physically be black in one of those aquarium cases.
The problem isn't rgb, rgb looks great and everything, the problem is that people spend their money on it while really they should spend on real parts that matter to performance, but if you can afford it and etc, you can get it its fine just if you can get way more performance to not get it, then just get it. (idk if you understood me but you get the idea)
The philosophy I used when building my PC was to get as much power for as little money possible. My case and GPU came with RGB, but I got them on sale at great prices. That's the only reason there's any lighting at all.
I understand you and I think that’s what bugs me as well. Knowing how much money someone is spending on something cosmetic vs putting it towards function.
When i built my pc a few months ago i had to get a case with glass even though i didnt get any sort of RGB. At least there was a lot of room inside so my gorilla fingers could get inside easier.
being a Technician myself, I like it when customers bring in their Gaming PC;s with easy to setup RGB(all fans are linked with one cable, same thing with rgb strips), and that makes things easier for me when trying to cable manage. It's the lower end RGB stuff that gets complicating or when a user uses 2-3 different RGB manufactures in one build to clutter up components. it is basically a balance between aesthetic and performance.
@@Im_SSJay It's good if the dual chamber is only good if it's designed well. If the fans are angled to push air to the cpu and gpu. But if you go for water cooled nothing I said really matters.
There was genuinely nothing wrong with even just rgb fairy light strips, lol. It's just a unicorn vomit cashgrab for adhd tiktok watching teenagers. The red glow of the motherboard was the rgb of my childhood. My build is all black and it doesn't distract me at night or fuck up my eyes with more manufactured light.
I like RGB, it does look nice. An unfortunate side effect of RGB is that all modern components are monotone. Black, white, gray, and nearly nothing else.
Thank you for putting this out there, I really dislike RGB, not because I don’t think it looks cool, but because I cannot even find computer components without it. I would like to build a subtle powerhouse, but I can’t do subtle if it’s rainbow 24/7. I understand I can just turn it off, but it feels like I bought a product with extra stuff I will never use, and I’m too dumb to understand the price gap of components with and without RGB.
I went with zero RGB and was happy to pay a small premium to find parts that DIDN'T include it. They were more expensive. Cases without glass panels were also more expensive
The only reason I'd consider a white see-through case, is to notice it getting dirty faster and then clean it. I used to have a black case and it would be months before it ever got cleaned because it was really good at hiding how dirty it got.
That's how my most recent build went as well. It was fully intended to be dark from the get-go, but the case I was getting came with 4 free fans for an extra $20, and considering they were quality fans and I would have spent more than that on other fans instead, I opted to get them with the case. Turned out they were RGB. Then my liquid cooler turned out to be RGB. At that point I said "screw it, this sucker's going to have lights whether I want it to or not". I picked up an ARGB controller for an extra $10 and set all the lights to single-color with a dark purple and it turned out beautiful. It 100% gives that computer its own personality, and it also doesn't burn your eyes out.
First computer, pre built crap your parents buy for you. Second computer, decked out computer with all the RGB known to man. Third computer, a functional computer without the RGB.
I built my pc with quite some amount of rgb in mind, now 1½ years later I never have anything turned on, just a stupid distraction from the actual functionality of the pc.. love these vids btw, great to beat my me- uh to watch whilst getting ready for work
you'll be happy to know the only RGB thing in my PC build is the fan and thats because it was the best fan for form factor of my case :) i just keep it purple. case is solid black, all metal panels, MOBO is whitelit. GPU has no vanity lighting. it's a machine for purpose and nothing else.
I remember building a few pc's with the explicit intent of not having RGB in them, or as little lights as possible. This was mostly because if I'm trying to play something atmospheric and moody, I don't need a god damn rave happening a foot away from my face. I don't care what my PC looks like - I care about how well it can run games. I can make a PC that's all show and no go. That's incredibly easy to do. But I'd much, much, MUCH rather have a PC that just works well, is quiet, and blends into the background. I now use a laptop with RGB in it and I went ahead and just set the lighting to a gray-white and low intensity so I can get some basic backlighting on the keyboard. I don't need fancy swirly RGB nonsense.
I agree about the RGB. RGB genuinely pisses me off when builders will tell you that you need or should have RGB, but when I ask them for tips or tutorials for building a PC with an optical drive, somehow it's something to scoff at.
Been running non-RGB since forever honestly for many reasons, currently just have one of those mesh like cases, though I do have one RGB, which is my RAM that I got because it was on a deal. Didn't require any extra connections or apps but adds a nice glow at night in the case that stays under the table.
I think transparent panels are bad for computers. First, they're fragile in the case of glass panels. Second, they expose a large portion of the case to radio interference. They also allow radio emissions from the computer to easily escape. It's probably not significant for the computer or other devices, but it's best to keep the airwaves clear of junk. Besides that, an increased focus on looks proportionally increases the portion of a component's cost that went purely towards looking good. Also, focus on looks has led to painting heatsinks, slightly insulating them.
As a 15 year old, I am proud that I got a Thermaltake case with no sidepanel or rgb at all. I've seen the amount of cables you'd have to route and RGB just adds cost to the PC. Also, majority of the time you are looking at your screen, not your PC.
I’ve never really understood the tech industry’s obsession with RGB, especially within these past five years or so. When I was 14, I was excited to get a case with a single red LED-lit fan being the Corsair Carbide SPEC-02, and I still use that case with my daily driver to this day! Though I did switch out the LED fan for dual Arctic P14’s, and the only lighting I have aside from the obligatory status LED’s comes from my EVGA 2080 Super with its white glow. Honestly half the reason I’m still using the same case eight years later is because I still need my 5.25” drive bays, one for the disc drive when I need to burn or rip discs and another for my card reader. Would rather have it built into my computer instead of having a mess of USB peripherals. Not only that, but modern cases are so expensive and a lot of them below $100 either have worse airflow, worse construction, both, and don’t have much expandability compared to the average case from 10 to 15 years ago. The need for the “three decade old HDD cage” as zach’s tech tips calls it or 5.25” bays could very well just be a me problem, but as a data hoarder I don’t find modern cases very workable. The only argument I can really make for modern cases is that they’re usually easier to build in and have much better cable management (the SPEC-02 wasn’t that good in that regard even for 2014 standards), and are more suited to fit the freakishly big GPU’s of the 2020s. Though for the last point I blame GPU makers for their wasteful triple slot designs being normalized at the midrange, when a 250W card can run just fine with an appropriately well built dual slot, dual fan cooler. I think this comment turned more into a rant about modern cases than RGB, but they honestly go very hand in hand. Quite frankly I’m okay with RGB in moderation since accent lighting is pretty cool, I just hate the industry’s obsession with rainbow puke to the point that it just becomes obnoxious; just like I hate the enshittification of modern cases. When I built my first computer in 2016, it felt like you had to go out of your way to add RGB to your system and/or find a case with tempered glass, no optical drive bays, and a single 3.5” hard drive bay underneath the motherboard tray - but the opposite is true now. If airflow is such a concern, then there are several examples of high end Antec and Cooler Master cases from the late 00’s that show you can have upwards of nine 5.25” bays and fill the unused ones with front intake fans which are protected by the mesh bay covers.
On RGB: I despise it. Not much can be said, it just looks ugly n it's more bullsh*t you need to manage n deal with more wires n JUST GET LOST WITH THAT I SWEAR.
I personally love RGB. For me boring dark plastic boxes are mega ugly and I always wanted a bright and shiny PC. Looks so beautiful and cable management is easy if you have an IQ above 100.
I tried building an RGB free build but the discount was too tempting on an evga card. Now I have this annoying ass card with an RGB name keeping me distracted in the dark when i want to watch a movie
It's super great when it's in your bedroom like myself. I have to throw a towel over the thing because it's so God damn bright. My case isn't a glass box mind you either, this is just the one RGB fan and a light on a PCIE SATA card and it shines through the vents way too brightly to sleep
As a tecnician (not the best tecnician that ever lived... but near it ;-)), I find nice that a boring black block became also a nice looking thing. True that there is extra work and everything... but in a household enviroment I kinda find it neat...
Really? it's a nice looking thing when its blasting a rainbow of random colours in a corner? Maybe in a room that has a particular colour to it? UNless that room is in itself a rainbow room. It's something for sure that captures the eye but becomes incredibly distracting and quite annoying quite quickly, not to mention the fact that, in my humble opinion, it looks tacky and cheap mostly.
It took me 3 business days to build my pc as it was the first one, except that I bought a monster and of course a lot of ARGB as well, never-ending cables, I cannot describe how many videos I needed to watch to make it.
RGB is a look feature. You can really improve your $3000 PC look with it. If you already spent that much, why not? And we all also know that RGB improves your FPS in games. Your videos are great and I know that You put function over form, but for us - people that do not spend whole days surrounded by overpriced, broken and dusty computers, that RGB often makes us feel good about our dream build. It is unnecessary for sure, but the satisfaction you get when your fresh monster PC glows like a nuclear reactor is really heartwarming.
Ok but have you tried COSMIC Alpha? I know it sounds like a new strain from your favorite dispensary, but it's honestly the coolest "normie" desktop I've seen in decades.
I recently went back to Linux. I built an android retro emulator for the games I like playing, but everything else is Linux now. Windows constant updates, windows accounts for everything, as well as the constant need to be connected to the internet to work drove me away. The data collection and clear abuse of our privacy didn’t help either. I miss windows XP. It worked, and you could game and work on it without subscriptions and accounts with a hundred websites.
You're not alone...I'm 22 and I have always hated RGB. Its too excessive imo I would rather a single colour light...and just for the keyboard so that I can see the letters. I might sound old but I would much rather prefer a closed, mute case than these excessive, pretty cases...I have bought the computer to USE it, not to stare at it for hours on end and go "ohhhh pretty!" Also dont give me the "I can figure out if something's wrong if the case is open" bullshit! You have software for that!
I'm older and I absolutely LOVE RGB so much. I hated the dark PCs as a kid and now since having a job I can finally build my dream PCs which are super shiny.
@@ExtremeHardcoreGamerI've gone this route as well, couldn't be happier. I've dreamt of this PC for far too long to let it be one sad box of plastic, hidden all alone under my desk. I've paid for that baby, and I sure want to look at it! I have yet to get my Lian Li infinities
Is that waterblock mounted sideways? Wasn't there a way to adjust the display so the owner won't have to turn head sideways to read it?😂 I blame the RGB.
Yeah I was surprised when I saw that. It's a rookie mistake that first time builders make. I'm sure they fixed it before sending it out to the customer though.
I rotate it using the NZXT CAM software which was one of the things we were setting up. The “final product” shot was actually taken when I was still downloading 69GB of bullshit software and drivers on our 20mbps internet.
Fully agree with you on the RGB. Performance innovation should always be first, everything else is just a nice to have after the fact. This is why I avoid buying RGB components whenever I can, especially as the PC I've built sits underneath the desk. I just want it to be quiet, fast and run cool so the components last longer.
I dislike RGB lights because in the past, building a gaming PC was all about prioritizing performance and airflow. I turn down about 65% of my builds because they prioritize style over substance-the style being the RGB trend. I enjoy building budget PCs because it's satisfying to upgrade a basic computer from graanda and outperform the competition. It's challenging with the unnecessary resource demands of lighting, especially since it's likely to be under a desk and rarely seen. Moreover, content creators often need a fancy setup to attract followers, serving as clickbait for those less knowledgeable in tech. They probably won't operate a physical repair shop and might not catch an Ubuntu joke. I bet they don't even know what a "Jelly Bean Key Finder" is. Ah, the good old days. were a dying breed and i love your channel. you create accessible content and keep my pold ass laughing.
The ones that seem like they're backwards could be reverse-flow fans, and a lot of case manufacturers love using them for cosmetic reasons these days. They still do the same job but just run the air in the opposite direction of normal fans.
There are 2 hidden fans on the bottom acting as intakes. I cut a whole 20 minutes of me debating whether to mount those rear fans as exhaust or intake. You see exhaust here but I ended up going intake before delivery as it’s quite clear the case is designed for airflow in that direction.
@@SalemTechspertsthey basically moved the front intake to the side oddly enough, too bad the top fans would suck it back out. Honestly with such a negative pressure setup I'd forego the bottom fans and let the exhaust fans draw air from the bottom.
For some reason, I became attached to having blue RGB in my PC. I used to hate RGB in general. But now, it's like the blue RGB helps me relax while I'm gaming at night.
i feel your pain, my current build is a blackout RGB free build, a few months old. It is harder to find non-rgb versions of the parts you want nowadays. Not everyone wants a build that looks like it is full of unicorn vomit. The addition of RGB to everything pushes up the BoM and overall cost for all of us.
I have my RGB set up to make my PC look like a nice 80s neon retro futurism machine. All white, with few black elements and purple/blue lights. I love it.
Answers to some common questions I'm seeing.
1. The NZXT CAM software that rotates the AIO was still downloading along with everything else on our amazing 20Mbps internet, and I had between 6pm Friday and 12pm Saturday to edit and upload the video.
2. There are 2 hidden intake fans on the bottom of this case, I was hoping to get away with having 2 intake and 4 exhaust to optimize temps, but the negative pressure would've been a gooch collector. The rear 2 fans have since been flipped to intake.
3. I appreciate you all sharing your opinion on RGB and you all bring up some great points. My concern is the industry is using RGB as a crutch instead of actually innovating designs and performance.
oh lawd. you dared desecrate the AhrJeeBee gods and every aiden and steve came out of the woodwork 😂
@@santa1563 Aiden and Steve 😭😭😭
Yeah... I'd like to see more attention given to small form factor designs, personally.
Some cookies are meant to be dunked.
2 intake and 4 exhaust? Yeah gooch collector indeed
I think the only real upside of transparent PC case with RGB eye candy is that one remembers to clean it from gooch once in a while?
This is a good point
@@SalemTechsperts i have one side of my pc that is glass so what he says is true but as i have hand issues i can only do so much. i have minimal rgb stuff. just got to find some one that can check my thermal paste and liquid cooling system
100%
You would think. I see tons of finger prints and just as dusty from before the glass panel days.
@@idahofur It definitely works for some people, and not for others. I like to keep my PC clean, my brother doesn't care. We both have a case with glass.
I used to be completely anti-RGB. Then I went all in on RGB. And now I'm anti-RGB again.
this made me lol
i gave in to RGB, because its that or custom paint and custom is too expensive
I tried being anti-RGB, but I literally had to buy RBG pieces because they were cheaper than normal versions... I hate tiktok culture
This was me, my last computer was an RGB monstrosity. It was cool for about....an hour. Now my current build is as RGBless as I could make it.
@@Dekent i like pretty colors
1900 a month and you still don't get a front door
Or a bathroom that I feel comfortable shitting in
@@SalemTechsperts just ask subway if you can use theres
@@wolf3515"sorry, customers only" - subway, probably
@@LexYeen Just get an toilet subscription.
@@SalemTechsperts at least you got Lupe. Greets from Europe - the greates country thats ever lived
All I want is a matte black box with good ventilation.
I love my Torrent with solid panels 🙏
Got that with no RGB
That's litterally my build. Doesn't even have a side window. Searched high and low for every part without rgb at all.
Fractal has got you covered, Define 7 series, Pop air or the torrent are all great on the airflow and still can look nice without dealing with glass.
Same but in white. But I still want my PC to look *clean*. if I do anything to that white, it'll be to get clear tubed water-cooling, put some neon pink UV reactive colorant, and install some blacklight LEDs.
As the only small-town repair and builder shop in my town, aside from a corporate repair place, I've noticed a significant lack of understanding regarding RGB wiring control. People of all ages bring in their builds, often riddled with mismatched RGB parts. I wish there was a mandatory standard that companies had to adhere to because often, the cheaper options come with proprietary connectors for fans, which is incredibly frustrating. While this conversation revolves around RGB and wiring, what frustrates me the most is when people invest more in a CPU than a GPU for gaming. Countless times, individuals have come in with a Ryzen 9 or Intel i9 paired with a 4060-4070, or the AMD equivalent, usually saying, "my friend told me what parts to get." It's disheartening because they could have opted for a '7' or the "5" variant and invested the difference in a superior GPU.
The main problem is their isn't a standard. Most of the Bigger companies conform to the 5V standard. But just like fans and storage drives, you got the smaller/cheap companies doing whatever they want, like using Molex still, at least make it sata powered, at least people have those.
🤦♂️ why would they do that? Why why why?
As for the argb. Razer makes a hub for that that works with a lot of different ARGB fans. They need to invest in that.
The fact that you run a business inside an addition to a Subway makes us relate more to you than many YT channels because we can see ourselves in that tiny spot rather than these tech palaces. Your skills and humor are a bonus.
RGB was so painful. I asked 3 different people FROM CORSAIR if I had the right fan controllers for my 9 fans. They said yes and they were completely wrong. Had to wait for new fans to arrive that actually worked with the fan controllers.
But I do love the RGB. It sucks for building but works amazing as a show piece.
As someone that builds one PC every 5-7 years I can say that I do love having something flashy since it’s literally the price of 3 2005~ Mazda MX-5s
Corsair has horrible customer service, i needed new keys for my k95 keyboard and they even sent me the wrong ones.
@@xxdesertstorm ASUS refuses to work with Icue. My GPU ignores everything but the stupid ASUS malware
@@viperpit-k5j my experience was quite good after this. They accepted a return of used fans instantly and I’m sure you know that as soon as a fan is used it’s VERY clearly been used
@@ReepsWasteOfTimeI absolutely love this price comparison 😂
I knew the greatest technician wouldn't disappoint. Finally someone who installs the AIO last rather than having the radiator flopping around while working on the motherboard.
Depends on the case. On some cases you have to put the AIO in first. But with removable tpos being the norm now, that's not really a thing.
I just built a new pc. I got the Fractal Torrent case with solid metal side panels.
I am not only with you on the RGB, I am also with you on the principle of function over form.
Ideally a good computer case should provide good airflow and protect the components.
If you build it right you should forget it's even there!
Thats why i love the tower 300. -Its small- , good airflow(and lots of goochfilters) AND nice to look at. Dont need RGB on it at all. And if you are crazy enough you could easily mod it for show or for modding purposes. And it fits perfectly on a sub on the floor in the livingroom
Ah yes war thunder
Where classified military documents get leaked on a daily basis
all in the hopes of getting the vehicle a buff
@@LeonSteelpawor just trying to win an argument
The greatest War Thunder technician that's ever lived.
@@ReepsWasteOfTime or trying to get the maps remodeled to be more accurate lol
they should do marketing around this :D
Maybe I'm alone here, but I actually love ARGB. I hate the default rainbow configuration that every RGB thing comes in, but I love being able to set the colors of my components and have all these cool effects syncing across your whole desk when you use something like SignalRGB (not an ad). That being said, ARGB is fucking AGGRAVATING to set up and I would never want to burden my technician with it. I'm a hobbyist builder and try to DIY as much as I can. Vanity and customization fall right into the DIY category
I also would never buy a case just because it looks nice. Airflow, cost and ease of building come first, design second
I do enjoy having a synced experience w/ my monitor lights when playing a game so I understand that. It’s all opinion and I respect the decision 100%. I just don’t like how manufacturers are using RGB as a crutch to stifle innovation.
nah you aint alone, i really like rgb, just not rainbow rgb
i agree, i love rgb it looks cool
No you're the majority, that's why it sells so good.
The RGB haters are mostly the extremely loud minority on the internet like ALWAYS.
in real life most people love it
@ExtremeHardcoreGamer Like what you want, but as a builder, that's not true. I get RGB requested for about 1 out of 10 gaming PCs.
"Ram first, then cpu, then ssd, gpu last."
-proceeds to install ram last-
Do agree on the rgb. I think it's a neat thing, but once you go beyond 2 or so rainbow items (ram/gpu, a couple fans or the cpu, not all at once), it starts looking cheap. Vastly prefer either keeping the rest blank or a solid color.
Also splurging on rgb out the whazoo and case, but going cheap on the ssd? Strange priority imo.
I always start off with a plan that never goes according to plan 😅
@@SalemTechsperts A popular car mechanic always goes by the 'Non plan plan." That way, if anything goes wrong, you never deviated from your nonexistent plan.
@@slayerjohn447 genius
That's because you never see people use rgb. You just see them use rainbow or color cycle. Rgb allows you to use any color you want or lighting effects and even games like Warframe can control your lighting effects and make cool things happen based on the abilities you are using. You just don't know since you want to pretend that choice is a trash option since you see the demo mode and think that's standard operating mode. Lol.
@trsskater I use my RGB. I always set the color of different fans to the season. Makes it look way nicer. But yeah, but the people that just leave it on rainbow, it's like that's a waste of money. You are not using other effects. What's the point.
Andy & Lupe...honestly RGB and fan headers need some serious redesign to simplify things. Like why TF does it run from a sata cable? we need those for hard drives! Also a cable per Fan?! Just make them addressable and a single cable, its not that hard! And Why can't a case come with the hub already build in? Finally, why TF are these cases soo big with soo much wasted empty space? Love the content guys, 💯!
Companies fighting for adoption of their own proprietary design has stifled innovation and the consumer is the one having to deal with it. It's insane how nothing has changed in like 30 years
RGB on a PC is like a lifted truck with under frame lighting
real shiit
At least for the trucks it does help for visibility at night
what a really dumb thing to say.
@@tedbunski6879 Why? In both cases, it's an obvious warning signal to others that the user in question is mentally debilitated.
RGB: Rancid Gooch Box
is it sellable?
@@imfakeris1 Yes but you need to clean it
I had a customer get pissed at me because of the rts best of cables in the back of that case. For context this customer pretty much went on Amazon typed in RGB and just clicked add to cart. He had 3 different rgb hubs, a ton of fans, and not enough space for all these cables . There was no amount of cable management that could make it look nice. He also didn’t have enough rgb headers on his board. I charged him my standard build fee of $179, later he wrote a nasty google review saying how terrible I was at building. Mind you I’ve been building PCs since I was 11 I’m 28 now. Every PC in my house is meticulously cable managed and I do the same for my customers but the difference is I choose parts that work together, and none of my PC had RGB and if they do all of it is from on company.
The recent PC gaming boom has brought a bunch of ignorant individuals who want their favorite influencer's COOL GAMER PC
Meanwhile when i built a PC i weighed compatibilities, prices, options, AM4 vs LGA 1151 etc. Its why i try to ask the client/customer what their budget is and just give them a cart/list of parts that they'd be able to get within that budget
@@Mr.Genesis Yeah this guy didn't want my input he just wanted me to put the thing together. At the end of the day he's not a customer I want to keep, he didn't care about quality he just wanted cool looks at a cheap price. I care far more about quality than quantity or flashy looks.
200 for a build is wild 😂😂😂😂😂
Where i live the standard is 40-50 + windows
@@somekindofdude1130 Then those people don't value their time or expertise. 90% of system builders charge around $400 to build a PC.
@@somekindofdude1130 Bro, what? maybe I'd let my FRIEND pay me 50 dollars to build a gaming PC... As a BUSINESS tho? You're just straight up lying, Lmao.
I am and Old Man Yelling to the Clouds too, RGB is a Useless Fad, Unicorn Vomit, a PC Case Just need to have good air flow, be practical to needs of the user, and silent.
Well said!
There was a time where I didn't even know where my case was. It was just a chassis that made it easy to swap things in/out
I don't get the whole lightning, in general.
Why cant people just accept other opinions?
I LOVE RGB, my pc looks like a disco ball, there's not a single thing that doesn't have rgb.
I personally hate boring ugly plastic boxes.
"Useless" by an utilitarian point of view. It's not "useless" if you like it. I dunno you but i want my stuff to look nice in my home. What's wrong with that?
I've built three PCs ever, and the third was a proper gaming rig with AIO RGB and 6 ARGB fans. Everything else was great and the cable management was top tier, thing was immaculate from all sides.
The fans themselves connected with pogo pins so that was nice, but each group of fans and the AIO had a USB, RGB, SATA power, and fan/pump header connectors. It was a god-damn nightmare, and 65% of my PSU basement is now an RGB cable rats' nest. Not to mention that I basically got lucky that I bought a kit of 3 fans that had all kinds of extra cables and a controller, because the cables provided with the AIO and with the two individual fans used different connectors despite being from the same manufacturer and being same model of fans.
I've worked in computer repair before but that was before the RGB craze had set in. And boy am I glad about that! My last personal rig build had me lamenting ever choosing RGB for my own PC because it was a nightmare to wire everything up and tidying the mess.
The way the industry is going, I don't personally see RGB going anywhere but I sure as hell wish it wasn't so annoying to deal with when assembling a rig.
I hope you went with what you wanted and enjoyed. Sometimes, the case can be even nice and better than the RGB.
I use ARGB because I enjoy it. But I would never push it on other people. Especially if they have budget the RGB would add to the cost.
I also think that's why Lian Li did what they did with their fans, where you can connect three together and use one wire.
The longform videos on this channel feel like the good parts of a sitcom combined the best tech expert tips and tricks. Love it♥
That’s the idea! Thanks for watching😊
I had a Blackout PC built back in August and the entire shop complimented me and it looks super sick.
TBH I don't remember a time when glass/plastic panels and some sort of RGB was not part of PC building for enthusiast(I'm almost in my 40s so its been awhile), it has exploded over the last decade especially because of RGB fans, but the concept of having a PC with tons of lights has been here for many decades.
What I like is that nowadays you can have it both ways for those who want a super minimalist PC there is a case for you, for those who like over the top cases there is a case for you, and for whatever in between there is case also, and its obvious that the vast majority of consumers gravitate towards glass panels and RGB, in my opinion its always nice seeing a over the top PC in someones desk.
Have we already forgotten cold cathode tubes?
Senior tech here. I watch you videos less to learn (although I do still learn!) but more to just hear another person with reason speaking to the issues in the industry.. yes RGB is dumb AF. My personal computer looks like a pile of scrap and will out perform 90%+ pf PCs out there because I build it to work, not to look cool.
Anyway, thanks for these vids. I'm super detail-oriented about this stuff and you're basically never wrong, if not teaching me about new stuff. I'm from the northeast and when I get back there I'll 100% be hiring you to do MY work. Cheers man!
I set all RGB off or a deep purple.
One good use is you know immediately if a part hasn't turned on.
Also I wish there were more white cases instead of black interiors.
Home builder here. RGB is fun, but not required. My list is
1. Components
2. Air Flow
3. Looks
And if you are charging more for hooking up RGB, you should. Every minute you spend hooking up RGB is a minute you aren't building another PC or fixing one. So hell yeah, change for that shit.
Considering I keep my gaming PC in the bedroom, I prefer no lights at all and a case that doubles as a wind tunnel. If I keep my PC on at night I would like to be able to fall asleep and not experience the rainbow all night long.
But you know you can just turn them off right?
@@Kratos95034 For me it's literally a button. lmao
@@Kratos95034 Yeah, you're stating the obvious here, but I prefer no lights. I think they are a waste of energy even while my system proportionately dwarfs the total usage, why creep the universe even one iota towards its eventual heat death for something I don't even appreciate. Besides, why even take on yet another thing I have to adjust before heading off to bed however minor and addressable with automation, this is something I dont have to deal with if they didn't exist in the first place.
@@cvmagic404 I am with you. I rather have a function over aesthetics computer. If I'm gonna hide it in a corner anyways, what's the point of spending the extra on lights that I'm never gonna even turn on?
You know you can turn it off, right?
12:44 The greatest technician that's ever lived.
Such a hilarious moment tho! happens to the best of us
I can agree, I hate hoe RGB has been and as a fellow builder, it really takes up time. I remember last year when we all got upgrades and new pc's, we spent so much time on a friends new PC because the damn RGB was not working properly. I can say that RGB like Lian Li and Corsair have made it easier with the daisy chain with fans. The only down side to that is the cost as Corsair's new ique link is around $700 for fans and an AIO. I typically do not charge any extra for "standard" RGB but if they go nuts with more lighting and bars things like that, then I would stick a small uptick in the pricing. RGB pains is the reason my next build here soon for myself is going to be minimal if any. A lot easier when that's not a factor. Also keep up the amazing content, love seeing these after a long day.
PC builder here!
RGB and lights on fans and cases are nice, but I'm of the same vain with you: not really needed and makes too much unnecessary clutter. I like to prioritize airflow and efficiency before I think about what RBG or lights I could get. You could make your computer look as fancy as you want, but it's always under the hood that matters.
$1900 jeez my mortgage is $1,700 a month in Colorado.
Yep. Boston’s great (for landlords)
@@SalemTechsperts No different here in the UK when you lump on business rates and so on. GB£2k/month will get you a hole in the wall in the outskirts of a major town.
Fuck both of those prices. There may be nothing here but corn, churches and bars, but my $800 a month mortgage is well worth the lack of "glamour" and "culture" for the property I got. If I want "culture", Chicago is just one river and 3 hours away.
Aurora area and my mortgage is 3125 a month. Definitely gonna refinance when rates go down cause god damn its ruff.
@@zimmy91 I was lucky and purchased December of 2019 so I was ahead of the rate spike.
I've Built Hundreds of System, and to be honest I still Love Building. Sure Builds are getting more Cables and wires and Such, But I still enjoy the challenge ! RGB Yes is becoming a Problem, Corsair has done With there new stuff. But its Pricey. If Everyone followed suit perhaps it would be better in the long run, But that I don't think that will happen. RGB is here to stay. Its not going anywhere in my opinion. Great Video!
I love hearing you haven’t lost your passion! Indeed, if the industry innovated and made it easier and less complicated, it wouldn’t be such a big deal. Thanks for watching and being a member!
But corsairs icue is crap it's almost armoury crate level crap.
Isn't a supernova a massive explosion? Is that good branding for a power supply?
For 1000W I would sure hope I get a massive explosion! (it's actually a very reliable PSU, I bought one used and it's still kickin)
It's a star exploding in its final stage of life, before either collapsing into a black hole or neutron star, or diffusing into a nebula. It's "massive" for certain definitions of that word 😛
Yeah, it's odd for a PSU. Maybe they just thought it sounded powerful or something.
Terrible branding choice. But you won't find a better PSU. Maybe they were being ironic? Perhaps they thought about the fact a supernova releases a lot of energy and didn't consider the massive explosion part. If you're cheap like me, you just get the GD model which is basically the same PSU but not called 'Supernova' because it is non-modular. Better to not tempt the fates.
It's good if you understand what a supernova is. Most people don't though I think lol.
most people don't understand
Bro dont ever change your workplace or format. It makes you more relatable rather than those fancy studios other creators have. I mean its not that I don't like them or anything, but your workplace is what makes your content synonymous with your work and and charm.
I completely agree with you; sometimes a LOT of the RGB components have a 3 pin connector and therefore require a 3 pin slot on the motherboard; the problem is that most motherboards will only come with one.
The last time I installed that NZXT AIO and turned on the computer after putting the build together the hub began to smoke.
I do like RGB if done nicely inside of a build but the majority look atrocious and also like you said putting together builds that are heavy on the RGB is more time consuming and depending on the manufacturer can be a pain in the ass to put together.
Holy shit 😂 I’ve never had that happen thankfully. Yeah it’s the assembling that’s a killer. Especially when every minute of my day is stressing on how to pay rent and I’m stuck with 20 wires.
@@SalemTechsperts I miss the days when AIO's weren't a thing and all you needed was a beefy air cooler like my Noctua NHD-14 I have cooling my i7 3770k build that's 11 years old. All my mony goes towards bills and rent right now.
By the hour, you charge for RGB installation and cable mgmt by the hour.
This is the way
5:22 I use arch btw
That was really very informative, it's really important for us to know that
(I also do btw)
Sad that the Nix crew hasn't yet infiltrated the Gooch Collector space. Those nerds are lovely.
I use Windows, by the way.
Bazzite btw
@@Aoitori365 based tbh
this video is great and I appreciate seeing a PC builder's more physical perspective on the problem.
personally as someone who uses OpenRGB, I've gotten to see more of the software side of it. it's amazing to see all the software the community has developed to get hundreds of RGB devices and controllers unified under one software. however it's also sad to see that it has taken jumping though numerous hoops in order to only get basic functionality for many of these devices, and how it takes jumping through even more hoops for the end-user who wants to control their motherboard's RGB for example. why is this such a hard thing for manufacturers to get right??? why do we need like five different RGB control suites for parts that exist on the same computer? who even benefits from this fragmentation?
personally I am not a big fan of RGB, partly because of this but also because I like a clean, modest build. the RGB parts I have on my current machine were either chosen because they were the cheapest at the time or because it contributed to the clean look with or without RGB. I probably won't ever do this again, though, because getting my Corsair Vengeance RAM and ASRock motherboard to work under OpenRGB made for the exact hoop-jumping experience described earlier. and the RAM defaults to the brightest rainbow gradient imaginable and it's incredibly distracting, and changing it on startup is not always reliable.
in my opinion, the aesthetics of RGB are not for me, but I do appreciate the incredible builds and well-crafted eye candy some people have been able to pull off with all the available RGB technology today. however, the state of RGB controller drivers and protocols today is such garbage, and manufacturers should definitely be pushed to unify or at least open up their protocols or driver implementations for everyone to use however they like, without being tied down and limited by proprietary software for each and every brand of RGB. I think this will really raise the limits for what can be done with RGB, beyond flashy flashy rainbow clown vomit all the time.
I vastly dislike RGB. My PC build is a simple black case with airflow filters. Performance under the hood matters, not a bunch of pretty lights.
11:20
"what are these kids going to get ampted to now?"
"fentanyl" 💀💀
As a Tech in a Micro Center, RGB is absolutely the worst. Especially now that fans have fricking LCDs in them.
But how will anyone ever know they’re a quirky PC Gamer if they can’t show their waifu on their aio pump?
@@SalemTechsperts Honestly this sounds like you are being judgemental for no good reason. Nothing wrong with people wanting their stuff to look nice, don't be judgy about it. 🤷
@Azarilh It's sarcasm, you probably have heard of it. It's okay if he makes a joke. You don't have to take it personally, and try to brand him as judgemental.
Haha, who would ever do that hahaha.... I totally didn't get the Kraken Elite exclusively for that haha....
There's nothing wrong with him being judgemental. Let people have opinions, not everyone is going to agree with you. Yes it's dumb, yes I still did it anyway because I want to see Ishmael inside my pc case. Laugh at yourself.
I do think that RGB motifs are here to stay...unfortunately. I don't have a computer repair shop, but I've built PCs for myself, some family members and friends (not for free). Enough for me to know that people would be willing to spend hundreds of dollars more just to have lights in their computer, that within a few months live underneath their desks. It's a weird trend and I do my best to explain to them that things are getting more expensive and inefficient due to RGB, but they demand it to be included in their build. I hate having to deal with ARGB headers, and hubs. The pins are so fragile and easy to break. The hubs can break due to over voltage from the SATA connections. The ARGB software from the manufacturers takes ages to load before I can do anything with the colors.
Tech UA-camrs or a Techtubers' purpose is primarily to sell a product. Sometimes the product is themselves, other times it's whatever item they are reviewing.
Thanks for still uploading full videos, even if they dont net as many views. These give me some meaning after work.
I'm currently building a lightless build in a Thermaltake 600 and I love seeing nothing being lit up. I love seeing the components.
11:06 the power of editing!
*ad plays*
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1:57 oh my god, he’s figured out our secret😅
You'd think the greatest technician who ever lived would know that RGB makes your computer faster. Sinus Lebastian said so.
Flossy carter also said so. Both are wrong. Only get RGB if you are going for a theme or look for the desk set up.
@@evacody1249 I guess I should have put RGB on the joke so that it would grab your attention, as you seem to have missed it.
Hey Andy, i just want to thank you for inspiring me to revive my laptop from the dead. I replaced the motherboard, screen and hdd with an ssd. Boot times went from an hour or more, to seven seconds.
"This is the dryest fucking cookie... I think I just ate drywall"
Still not as bad as a popeyes biscuit
Water, fire, air and dirt
Fucking magnets, how do they worK?
Miracles 🎶
The other gum mascot you guys were thinking of is Bazooka Joe.
haha rgb lights go brrrr
but really I think RGB is good when it is implemented with the case, but then it's usually proprietary (NZXT, Corsair) which I dislike.
Yep, built a pc this year with no RGB components, just all black components in a white case that had built in RGB fans that I just keep on white/daylight. Looks slick with very minimal effort. I can control the RGB from software but there's no point since I can hit a button on the case to change them if I feel like it.
@@squid262 For some reason, my mind went right to Lian Li's 216. Although I bet this is not the only one
My most recent pc was fully intended to be a non-illuminated one, but the best bang-for-buck parts I acquired happened to all be RGB. It was fully built for performance, to be fast and quiet. Running full speed it is still quieter than the background noise of the house. The lighting just happened to be a byproduct of the purchase. I like having my hardware on display to look at, so a clear side panel is fairly standard for me, but my case came with 4 free fans that all had lights, the liquid cooler happened to have lights (and an infinity mirror), the motherboard had a controllable light, my $13 dollar mechanical keyboard from Goodwill happened to have lights, and a friend gave me 16gb RAM that he was phasing out of his computer that also happened to have lights. So I said screw it and lit it up. Honestly quite enjoyed it lit up.
I don't do the unicorn vomit flashing RGB, period. It's just annoying to me. What I do like doing is setting it all to a single color scheme to whatever fits the computer best. Mine ended up being purple/black and it looks beautiful. I'm partial to the 80's-style synthwave/vaporwave color schemes and decided to model the whole rig around it. It 100% gives it its own feel and personality. My buddy runs exclusively red color schemes the same way as I did mine and they are absolutely gorgeous.
Just built my first PC. I have 3 different RGB software installed. GSkill for my Ram, Lian Li for my cable extenders and Razer Synapse with a Razer RGB controller for keyboard, mouse, case fans, and the Fractal Torrent LED strip. When Synapse was in beta, I had to resync everything that was connected to the controller when I rebooted. Annoying yes, but not a deal breaker, no. Now, Synapse works the way that I envisioned. I don't have a crazy light show. I have accent lighting. I don't have any conflicts at all. It just works. The extra RGB cables did make it bit messy. I did not have any desire to spend an inordinate amount of time making my wires look like something you would get from a reputable PC builder. It's not a spaghetti bowl, but it's also not that pretty. With that said, the next build will probably just have the Lian li extenders. I wanted the new Noctua cooler, but it would block my fancy ram. A white build just begs for RGB, black, not so much. The "white tax" and the "RGB tax" weren't that significant. What was significant were the limited options that I had for a white PSU (scored a Deepcool 1000 watt gold for the embargo), and motherboards. You had exactly one option for AMD 650 E-ATX. I just picked up an Asrock Taichi lite, which I think was the best bargain of my whole build. The next Build will physically be black in one of those aquarium cases.
The problem isn't rgb, rgb looks great and everything, the problem is that people spend their money on it while really they should spend on real parts that matter to performance, but if you can afford it and etc, you can get it its fine just if you can get way more performance to not get it, then just get it. (idk if you understood me but you get the idea)
The philosophy I used when building my PC was to get as much power for as little money possible. My case and GPU came with RGB, but I got them on sale at great prices. That's the only reason there's any lighting at all.
I understand you and I think that’s what bugs me as well. Knowing how much money someone is spending on something cosmetic vs putting it towards function.
@@joshdillon9637 I like spending money on my PC and I love spending more on RGB because it's so beautiful
I got RGB ram kits because for whatever reason it easier to find RGB 3600C16 RAM kits (the fastest kits I bothered to work with) than non-RGB.
As someone who has zero experience with building computers I say RGB is worth it because it makes my eyes go into a trance and then I pass out 👊
I hate RGB, I hate that you cant get many decent cases without glass panels because of it
My HAF932 is getting passed down to my eventual grandkids.
@@GSBarlev Ahhh, a Fellow Cooler Master HAF 932 enjoyer.
@@GSBarlevthe greatest case that’s ever lived
When i built my pc a few months ago i had to get a case with glass even though i didnt get any sort of RGB. At least there was a lot of room inside so my gorilla fingers could get inside easier.
Yeah that sucks, unless you go SFF.
This was NOT a boring video! I enjoyed this! I hope you make more videos building PCs. I learn a lot from this.
being a Technician myself, I like it when customers bring in their Gaming PC;s with easy to setup RGB(all fans are linked with one cable, same thing with rgb strips), and that makes things easier for me when trying to cable manage. It's the lower end RGB stuff that gets complicating or when a user uses 2-3 different RGB manufactures in one build to clutter up components. it is basically a balance between aesthetic and performance.
So did you ever change the AIO screen orientation? lol
Yes, you do it through NZXT CAM which was downloading during the final shot
i hate RGB, i hate aquarium pcs, i hate having a window on my tower
Plexiglass is great so i can see status codes lol
Nah, dual chamber design is pretty good looking and more spacious (better thermals too)
@@Im_SSJay It's good if the dual chamber is only good if it's designed well. If the fans are angled to push air to the cpu and gpu. But if you go for water cooled nothing I said really matters.
Mesh offers semi transparency with far better cooling.
@@Im_SSJay The "better thermals" are negligible at best.
There was genuinely nothing wrong with even just rgb fairy light strips, lol. It's just a unicorn vomit cashgrab for adhd tiktok watching teenagers.
The red glow of the motherboard was the rgb of my childhood. My build is all black and it doesn't distract me at night or fuck up my eyes with more manufactured light.
I like RGB, it does look nice. An unfortunate side effect of RGB is that all modern components are monotone. Black, white, gray, and nearly nothing else.
Man I can't find cases without glass panels or RGB these days
Thank you for putting this out there, I really dislike RGB, not because I don’t think it looks cool, but because I cannot even find computer components without it. I would like to build a subtle powerhouse, but I can’t do subtle if it’s rainbow 24/7. I understand I can just turn it off, but it feels like I bought a product with extra stuff I will never use, and I’m too dumb to understand the price gap of components with and without RGB.
I went with zero RGB and was happy to pay a small premium to find parts that DIDN'T include it. They were more expensive.
Cases without glass panels were also more expensive
Yeah, I dont need and dont like RGB. I prefer a minimalist stealth build.
The greatest technician thats ever lived
I find it ironic that EVGA name it's PSU after a exploding star probably an inside joke😂😂🇧🇧
The only reason I'd consider a white see-through case, is to notice it getting dirty faster and then clean it. I used to have a black case and it would be months before it ever got cleaned because it was really good at hiding how dirty it got.
I only ever really liked RGB on the outside of a case, like for accent lighting
No Tux No Bucks Baby!
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I tried to build an non-RGB computer but somehow getting a case with RGB fans was cheaper than one with no RGB. 😂
That's how my most recent build went as well. It was fully intended to be dark from the get-go, but the case I was getting came with 4 free fans for an extra $20, and considering they were quality fans and I would have spent more than that on other fans instead, I opted to get them with the case. Turned out they were RGB. Then my liquid cooler turned out to be RGB. At that point I said "screw it, this sucker's going to have lights whether I want it to or not". I picked up an ARGB controller for an extra $10 and set all the lights to single-color with a dark purple and it turned out beautiful. It 100% gives that computer its own personality, and it also doesn't burn your eyes out.
First computer, pre built crap your parents buy for you. Second computer, decked out computer with all the RGB known to man. Third computer, a functional computer without the RGB.
I built my pc with quite some amount of rgb in mind, now 1½ years later I never have anything turned on, just a stupid distraction from the actual functionality of the pc..
love these vids btw, great to beat my me- uh to watch whilst getting ready for work
you'll be happy to know the only RGB thing in my PC build is the fan and thats because it was the best fan for form factor of my case :) i just keep it purple. case is solid black, all metal panels, MOBO is whitelit. GPU has no vanity lighting. it's a machine for purpose and nothing else.
I remember building a few pc's with the explicit intent of not having RGB in them, or as little lights as possible. This was mostly because if I'm trying to play something atmospheric and moody, I don't need a god damn rave happening a foot away from my face. I don't care what my PC looks like - I care about how well it can run games.
I can make a PC that's all show and no go. That's incredibly easy to do. But I'd much, much, MUCH rather have a PC that just works well, is quiet, and blends into the background. I now use a laptop with RGB in it and I went ahead and just set the lighting to a gray-white and low intensity so I can get some basic backlighting on the keyboard. I don't need fancy swirly RGB nonsense.
I agree about the RGB. RGB genuinely pisses me off when builders will tell you that you need or should have RGB, but when I ask them for tips or tutorials for building a PC with an optical drive, somehow it's something to scoff at.
Been running non-RGB since forever honestly for many reasons, currently just have one of those mesh like cases, though I do have one RGB, which is my RAM that I got because it was on a deal.
Didn't require any extra connections or apps but adds a nice glow at night in the case that stays under the table.
I think transparent panels are bad for computers. First, they're fragile in the case of glass panels. Second, they expose a large portion of the case to radio interference. They also allow radio emissions from the computer to easily escape. It's probably not significant for the computer or other devices, but it's best to keep the airwaves clear of junk. Besides that, an increased focus on looks proportionally increases the portion of a component's cost that went purely towards looking good. Also, focus on looks has led to painting heatsinks, slightly insulating them.
As a 15 year old, I am proud that I got a Thermaltake case with no sidepanel or rgb at all. I've seen the amount of cables you'd have to route and RGB just adds cost to the PC. Also, majority of the time you are looking at your screen, not your PC.
I’ve never really understood the tech industry’s obsession with RGB, especially within these past five years or so. When I was 14, I was excited to get a case with a single red LED-lit fan being the Corsair Carbide SPEC-02, and I still use that case with my daily driver to this day! Though I did switch out the LED fan for dual Arctic P14’s, and the only lighting I have aside from the obligatory status LED’s comes from my EVGA 2080 Super with its white glow.
Honestly half the reason I’m still using the same case eight years later is because I still need my 5.25” drive bays, one for the disc drive when I need to burn or rip discs and another for my card reader. Would rather have it built into my computer instead of having a mess of USB peripherals.
Not only that, but modern cases are so expensive and a lot of them below $100 either have worse airflow, worse construction, both, and don’t have much expandability compared to the average case from 10 to 15 years ago. The need for the “three decade old HDD cage” as zach’s tech tips calls it or 5.25” bays could very well just be a me problem, but as a data hoarder I don’t find modern cases very workable.
The only argument I can really make for modern cases is that they’re usually easier to build in and have much better cable management (the SPEC-02 wasn’t that good in that regard even for 2014 standards), and are more suited to fit the freakishly big GPU’s of the 2020s. Though for the last point I blame GPU makers for their wasteful triple slot designs being normalized at the midrange, when a 250W card can run just fine with an appropriately well built dual slot, dual fan cooler.
I think this comment turned more into a rant about modern cases than RGB, but they honestly go very hand in hand. Quite frankly I’m okay with RGB in moderation since accent lighting is pretty cool, I just hate the industry’s obsession with rainbow puke to the point that it just becomes obnoxious; just like I hate the enshittification of modern cases.
When I built my first computer in 2016, it felt like you had to go out of your way to add RGB to your system and/or find a case with tempered glass, no optical drive bays, and a single 3.5” hard drive bay underneath the motherboard tray - but the opposite is true now. If airflow is such a concern, then there are several examples of high end Antec and Cooler Master cases from the late 00’s that show you can have upwards of nine 5.25” bays and fill the unused ones with front intake fans which are protected by the mesh bay covers.
gt super nova = Grand Turismo Massive explosion
Weird Al for the Super Bowl, I have been saying this for years. (Great minds think alike)
He can sing The Truck Drivin’ Song.
1:20 mood we want!!
On RGB:
I despise it. Not much can be said, it just looks ugly n it's more bullsh*t you need to manage n deal with more wires n JUST GET LOST WITH THAT I SWEAR.
I personally love RGB.
For me boring dark plastic boxes are mega ugly and I always wanted a bright and shiny PC.
Looks so beautiful and cable management is easy if you have an IQ above 100.
I tried building an RGB free build but the discount was too tempting on an evga card. Now I have this annoying ass card with an RGB name keeping me distracted in the dark when i want to watch a movie
It's super great when it's in your bedroom like myself. I have to throw a towel over the thing because it's so God damn bright. My case isn't a glass box mind you either, this is just the one RGB fan and a light on a PCIE SATA card and it shines through the vents way too brightly to sleep
As a tecnician (not the best tecnician that ever lived... but near it ;-)), I find nice that a boring black block became also a nice looking thing. True that there is extra work and everything... but in a household enviroment I kinda find it neat...
Really? it's a nice looking thing when its blasting a rainbow of random colours in a corner? Maybe in a room that has a particular colour to it? UNless that room is in itself a rainbow room. It's something for sure that captures the eye but becomes incredibly distracting and quite annoying quite quickly, not to mention the fact that, in my humble opinion, it looks tacky and cheap mostly.
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It took me 3 business days to build my pc as it was the first one, except that I bought a monster and of course a lot of ARGB as well, never-ending cables, I cannot describe how many videos I needed to watch to make it.
RGB is a look feature. You can really improve your $3000 PC look with it. If you already spent that much, why not? And we all also know that RGB improves your FPS in games. Your videos are great and I know that You put function over form, but for us - people that do not spend whole days surrounded by overpriced, broken and dusty computers, that RGB often makes us feel good about our dream build. It is unnecessary for sure, but the satisfaction you get when your fresh monster PC glows like a nuclear reactor is really heartwarming.
I knew it! 2024 is the year of the Linux desktop 🤣
Ok but have you tried COSMIC Alpha? I know it sounds like a new strain from your favorite dispensary, but it's honestly the coolest "normie" desktop I've seen in decades.
No for me I hate Linux and most games don’t support it yet
I recently went back to Linux. I built an android retro emulator for the games I like playing, but everything else is Linux now. Windows constant updates, windows accounts for everything, as well as the constant need to be connected to the internet to work drove me away. The data collection and clear abuse of our privacy didn’t help either.
I miss windows XP. It worked, and you could game and work on it without subscriptions and accounts with a hundred websites.
UBUNTUUUUUUU!!!!!!
@@SalemTechsperts Yeah, not great for gaming. Great for Techsperts though
You're not alone...I'm 22 and I have always hated RGB. Its too excessive imo
I would rather a single colour light...and just for the keyboard so that I can see the letters.
I might sound old but I would much rather prefer a closed, mute case than these excessive, pretty cases...I have bought the computer to USE it, not to stare at it for hours on end and go "ohhhh pretty!"
Also dont give me the "I can figure out if something's wrong if the case is open" bullshit! You have software for that!
I'm older and I absolutely LOVE RGB so much.
I hated the dark PCs as a kid and now since having a job I can finally build my dream PCs which are super shiny.
@@ExtremeHardcoreGamerI've gone this route as well, couldn't be happier. I've dreamt of this PC for far too long to let it be one sad box of plastic, hidden all alone under my desk. I've paid for that baby, and I sure want to look at it! I have yet to get my Lian Li infinities
Is that waterblock mounted sideways? Wasn't there a way to adjust the display so the owner won't have to turn head sideways to read it?😂 I blame the RGB.
Yeah I was surprised when I saw that. It's a rookie mistake that first time builders make. I'm sure they fixed it before sending it out to the customer though.
If you can't read numbers that are on their side you probably have to wear a padded helmet at all times...
You can turn the display in the software =)
I rotate it using the NZXT CAM software which was one of the things we were setting up. The “final product” shot was actually taken when I was still downloading 69GB of bullshit software and drivers on our 20mbps internet.
Fully agree with you on the RGB. Performance innovation should always be first, everything else is just a nice to have after the fact. This is why I avoid buying RGB components whenever I can, especially as the PC I've built sits underneath the desk. I just want it to be quiet, fast and run cool so the components last longer.
I dislike RGB lights because in the past, building a gaming PC was all about prioritizing performance and airflow. I turn down about 65% of my builds because they prioritize style over substance-the style being the RGB trend. I enjoy building budget PCs because it's satisfying to upgrade a basic computer from graanda and outperform the competition. It's challenging with the unnecessary resource demands of lighting, especially since it's likely to be under a desk and rarely seen. Moreover, content creators often need a fancy setup to attract followers, serving as clickbait for those less knowledgeable in tech. They probably won't operate a physical repair shop and might not catch an Ubuntu joke. I bet they don't even know what a "Jelly Bean Key Finder" is. Ah, the good old days. were a dying breed and i love your channel. you create accessible content and keep my pold ass laughing.
All fans going exhaust? 🤨
Negative pressure inside tha case, will be a dust collector magnet.
The ones that seem like they're backwards could be reverse-flow fans, and a lot of case manufacturers love using them for cosmetic reasons these days. They still do the same job but just run the air in the opposite direction of normal fans.
@@smallbutdeadly931 you can see the blade direction and it's not
There are 2 hidden fans on the bottom acting as intakes. I cut a whole 20 minutes of me debating whether to mount those rear fans as exhaust or intake. You see exhaust here but I ended up going intake before delivery as it’s quite clear the case is designed for airflow in that direction.
@@SalemTechspertsthey basically moved the front intake to the side oddly enough, too bad the top fans would suck it back out. Honestly with such a negative pressure setup I'd forego the bottom fans and let the exhaust fans draw air from the bottom.
Im one of those 3 guys.
Yes im going crazy
For some reason, I became attached to having blue RGB in my PC. I used to hate RGB in general. But now, it's like the blue RGB helps me relax while I'm gaming at night.
i feel your pain, my current build is a blackout RGB free build, a few months old. It is harder to find non-rgb versions of the parts you want nowadays. Not everyone wants a build that looks like it is full of unicorn vomit. The addition of RGB to everything pushes up the BoM and overall cost for all of us.
I have my RGB set up to make my PC look like a nice 80s neon retro futurism machine. All white, with few black elements and purple/blue lights. I love it.
5:13 maybe they want to use linux
I use Debian btw
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@@SalemTechsperts lmao what
@@tigersusytIt's an inside joke.
Between him and your mother.
@@notbaldfrost bruh