Motorcycle Chain vs Belt vs Shaft Drive - Which is Better?
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- Опубліковано 16 лип 2024
- Pros and Cons of Motorcycle Chain, Belt, and Shaft Drive!
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if you do not like chain maintenance :
- Bmw R1250R or R1250RS
- Bmw RnineT
-Bmw S1000R, S1000XR, S1000RR with M endurance chain
As a certified technician for 4 major brands, the best drive as far as maintenance is the shaft drive, requires little to no maintenance. Belts follow. Then chains. But it also depends on the application and conditions and riding style you are trying to achieve.
Hey Cycle Cruza, love my FJR. As you know it is shaft driven but I love it. Very low maintenance, the manual says change the fluid every two years. It is a heavy bike, but plenty of power for riding on the streets. I haven't had any issues with it.
Yeah if you don't care about weight and some power loss but love low maintenance than a shaft drive is a good choice. Really, it comes down to preference.
I have all 3 and I love all of them. I would never get a bike based of what drives it, but they all have there advantages. Just as long as you have a bike you love, is all that matters. Peace..
Yeah theres no changing a belt at the side of the road. However, your belt snaps on the highway you lose power and can maybe coast to the shoulder. Your chain snaps on the highway its most likely going to lock your back wheel up and cause you to highside. I know which I would rather have.
BTW I’m having a f’ed up day with these recycled videos. 😂😂. Get yourself some studded tires and motovlog new videos brother.
I said the same thing...I use to like his old videos...but he’s posting them up again and talkin bout the same thing tht we already know or don’t care about...he’s getting wack...
Recreating good old hits?
Newly updated and new material added to reflect my experience and expensive problems with chain and belt drives. Watch the video and you will see! Sometimes I do new updated versions and share new experience and material.
I'm so glad my spyder is belt driven. So much less hassle and I haven't had a problem with it at all. As long as you have belt guards you should be good.
I once owned a vstar 650 had shaft drive. Nasty amount of torque and minimal maintenance in my opinion. Was a great comfortable bike
Bmw has a new chain and sprockets set that requires no lube or adjustments at all.
My friend bought one last year and so far so good. No complaints at all.
Awesome! I need to research that.
You should get a new bike every 6 months
Good video CC. From the comments, it appears you've added additional/updated info to an older video. I couldn't care less, and enjoy your content. Ride safe and keep the faith.
FAKE NEWS! The shaft drive does not lose 31 percent of its power, it does not have a bunch of gears as incorrectly illustrated in this video, and there is no longer a jacking effect. My VMAX 1700 loses 12 percent between the crank and the rear wheel. The inefficiencies of the shaft drive are not from a bunch of gears, rather it’s from the need to change the direction of the rotation. The changes in direction can be reduced if the bike has a longitudinal crankshaft. The rear jacking effect keeps getting repeated over the decades by those who have never ridden a shaft bike. Rear jacking was an issue in the early days, but not so much today. My 2020 VMAX does not jack at all.
Hi man I got a vrod muscle from 2014 and never got problems with the belt man its been awesome bike bro..
Yeah most people don't BUT if you do you will be stranded guaranteed if a belt snaps. Many people have gotten belt snaps on the XDiavel, it was a bad belt guard design. I wonder if Ducati fixed it. They refused to cover it under warranty.
Chains are the most efficient at power transmission but for longevity and not having to mess with it I’ll stick to my vtx1300’s shaft drive
I think belt drive is the best compromise. You get the power of the chain with the low maintenance of the shaft.
I forgot to add that’s it’s also the safest if anything goes wrong.
I switched to an FJR 1300 recently which is shaft driven, and the simple fact that I don't have to clean the chain anymore is such a relief. I will not switch back.
i ride a2015 honda shadow 750 vtc and i love that cruiser bike and it is shaft driven owners manual says i dont have to change the shaft oil till about 20k mimes and that if your going by milage. and i love my bike to pieces. it is a perfered choice to me i dont want to speed around just want to cruise ar. Love the videos cyclecruza. keep on Riding!!!! Honda CBR RR ha ha!!!
Yeah shaft drives are super low maintenance. However you get added weight and some "shaft jacking" which is a not big deal for most cruiser riders.
Every bike I have had has been shaft drive so I cannot compare to other drive options. I’m spoiled. Love shaft drive. Although power robbing, I love the way the bike lifts up under heavy torque. I change the diff oil with oil changes. Easy easy easy maintenance.
This spring maybe you can try out my shaft driven VTX ??
Nice! Yeah low maintenance and with cruisers weight is not a huge concern anyways, it's all about cruising and enjoying the ride. You have some really nice cruisers. I was going to say keep riding but you're probably shoveling a lot of snow in blistering cold weather. lol
Didn’t you cover this topic once before? As a cruiser guy, shaft drive is the best.
I agree.
It's updated and new stuff added that shows my experience and problems since.
@@CycleCruza I agree that shaft is best.
Where can i get som documented numbers about the loss i Shaft drive. I understand that the loss will result i heat and there is no probs with heat on a shaft drive. You got higer mass / weight, but this is only a problem during acceleration. I have seen numbers that indicates 5% i loss difference.
Shaft Drive is the only way to go
Adds a lot of weight tho, a ton of weight. Some riders aren't bike weight snobs like me though. lol
I agree, read my comment above :). It's the ONLY technology that doesn't need 'tension' adjustments :)
@@CycleCruza I weigh 140-145 pounds myself.. so I'm lucky on the bike's final weight
Brotha Cruza. Before buying both my Ducati V4 R and MV Agusta Brutale Serie Oro, I was actually looking at getting the 2020 BMW R 1250 RS(this bike has a 105 lb per foot of torque !!!!) because of the shaft drive that it has. Also with the 3 year, 36,000 mile Warranty along with the all famous(at least where I live) 'Loaner Bike' program which my local Motorrad has in case any warranty or recall work has to be done over a 2 day or a 2 week period ! No other motorcycle dealer in my area, from KTM, Ducati, Suzuki, Honda or Harley has a 'Bike Loaner' program; except the local BMW motorcycle dealer. That alone was a good enough reason to go with BMW. But, so far so good I haven't had any chain splashing issues. Perhaps in 5 years I will get back with BMW to buy a shaft driven bike :)
Yeah BMW has excellent customer service and the bike loaner program is nice.
Cyclecruza recycling video haha 😂... long time sub will know
Lol I thought I was tripping
Nope, new material added and new experience to share in this video. I had two very expensive bike problems since the first video and new experience to share. Watch this video and you'll see. Just look at the time stamp. Thanks for being a long time viewer tho, I appreciate it!
I found this channel from that video lol
@@CycleCruza still great content
@@yoaashay it’s literally the most viewed video on his channel
I’ve owned all three types. I hate the maintenance that comes along with chains, but they’re the best in my opinion. I wouldn’t shy away from any of the three, because they all have their advantages. Belts are damn near set it and forget it. While shafts are heavier, I feel like that low weight some times helps keep the bike stable through crosswinds on the highway. I think it’s hard to beat the efficiency of a chain, but I really hate cleaning and lubing it.
hope dude is okay, must be on vacation, or moving, or building a new van...plus it's been cold AF in most of the USA
I am from Florida that bike has only 19kmil
Hey CC, when you mention that shaft drive reduces absolute efficiency by 30%, does it mean that bikes w shaft would have a ~25% increase in power if converting to chain drive as a result?
If that's the case, my idea of engine stress on bikes like the fjr1300, super tenere 1200 and r1200gs is radically changed.
It just means that if you took the same bike and converted to a chain drive it would be a bit faster than with the more complex and heavier shaft drive. Like the saying goes "No chain no gain!"
Looks like the kevlar belt took the damage well. I wouldn't be looking to change it based on what I saw in the video. Additionally I've not heard of anyone whose had a belt failure, nit to say nobody has of course. Chain or belt I would say depends on the application, for sports bikes chain, but for mid range power and torque like cruisers for example, belt all day.
Pro-tip: using pure kerosine (just kerosine, none of that citronella smokeless crap) to clean the chain is the best. It doesn't damage the o-rings on the chain, it's easy to find and it's fairly inexpensive.
I was at a Triumph dealer recently & they told me the new Triumphs have maintenance every 20k but they have chains. Wondering how they do that?
Why did you bleep out the f up day parts? that’s one of my favorite parts of the video.
I have owned them, Honda with chain, Suzuki with shaft and now a HD Nightrod with belt, the latter is the best
If I was riding a sport bike I'd go with a chain but since I'm into cruisers I prefer shaft drive. There's just no comparison due to the cleanliness factor and ease of maintenance.
Isn’t this uploaded years ago?
Tho you added something in
BELT DRIVE IS THE BEST BY FAR. I'VE HAD SEVERAL BELT DRIVE HARLEYS WITH ABSOLUTELY NO ISSUES. GATES MAKES THE BEST BELTS.
Lost me at Harley..
Lost ME at Gates
what bike is that at 2:11 ?
Chain all day everyday and I can give a shite about the maintenance -- instant power delivery with the least amount of power loss.
Yeah, that dude ripping the splines from the drivshaft should probably not have spaced out the sprocket so it only had half the splines engaged, and then maybe torque the nut and lock it?
It would have happened to a belt wheel too.
I find it cathartic to clean and oil my own equipment
Yo bra I know you've been doing this awhile and might be running out of things to talk about. BUT STILL. Some suggestions, how about talking about the new Kawi supermoto? Also the manufactures are announcing their new bikes in general so plenty of fodder there for verbage. Finally I am always willing to listen to someone put the dirty tongue on HD IF IT'S NEW CONTENT.
Once you go shaft, you never go back 💪💪 concours 14 aka old man busa!
Fucked up day 😂 i only watch for that bold sound but now i'm missing cause for that beep
YT doesn't allow cussing anymore. I miss the old days when I could let it rip. lol
My Kawasaki Vulcan, Yamaha Maxim X, Honda Cx550 were all drive shaft no problems ever. My Honda cb 360, and Rebel, were chain. My Harley Sportster 883 stock and 1200 stage 1 were belt. My fastest bike was the Maxim X from 1985 Inline 4 16valve with top speed of 130ish and a quarter mile @11ish bone stock. My heavily modded Maxim X was even faster and both were drive shaft. My Kawasaki Vulcan bone stock was quicker then my 1200 stage 1 but the sporty on the top end would crush it again (Vulcan) shaft drive. My experience has been shaft driven is not slower then chain or belt. However all these were cruisers but Maxim X had the same engine (Similar) as the Yamaha r6. 🤯
isnt belts easier to replace than chain bikes
LEGEND I THINK YOUV DONE THIS SUBJECT BEFORE THO!!
Updated, I've had more experience and problems since to share. I added new material.
@@CycleCruza oh yeah I know I love it!
DUDE, just use DuPont chain wax. Dont “clean” the chain. Just get a rag, spray DuPont and it will clean/lube the chain and repels dirt. You don’t have to scrub your chain with a brush.
Belts are safer than a chain, bc it means you’re on a Harley and not going fast enough to get hurt.
The durability/reliability of a shaft drive tied in with the lowest maintenance of the three is too good to pass up for me
Another rick roll from re-cycle cruza....
New stuff or no stuff dude.
This was updated and new stuff was added but I guess you did not watch the video. I shared my experience which includes very experience damage I incurred on two bikes. I never upload the same exact video ever. Just look at the time stamp.
@@CycleCruza DO. SOMETHING. NEW.
In this vid you pronounce Diavel correctly (like Ducati reps do). Then later talking about the Ducati belt drive you pronounce it differently (not like everyone else). No biggie BTW.
They all have pros and cons no? But I love my chain. 😘
Yeah they do but it comes down to "no chain no gain!"
Shaft by a long way. Chain is only good for all out sport bikes. For every day riding, shaft wins.
@cyclecruza Dude, I like your channel, I've been a member for a long time, but you're seriously going to complain about chain maintenance, but you're willing to do the MASSIVE maintenance required (by comparison) on your supermoto?
Nice video good to hear your opinions en expearience on this subject but isn't it a bit lazy for a UA-camr with 350k subs to recreate a vid from 5 years ago
Re-Cycle Cruzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz-ahh-ing again, mannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn!
Naw, new stuff added and updated. I've had some experience and problems to share since the last video from 5 years ago but I guess you don't know because you did not watch the video!
Shafts belong on highway cruisers, you can do 1000s of maintenance free miles; chains are the best for better torque at low rpms, specially for dirt bikes; belts are for weirdos and chinese scootas!.
One other bike that is shaft drive are scooters. There are exceptions though. But I'm sure most aren't interested.
Yeah, one of the reasons why they tend to be so heavy. Shaft drives add a lot of weight compared to chain and belt drives
No f@cked up days 🤣👍
Real riders know that chain maintenance suckssss!!!! Ughhh im looking for the most for my buck and in nyc i need skinny bikes to cut threw hours of traffic!!! Whats my best option!!! I would say honda nighthawk older one but i need liquid cooled possibly the yamaha ternee?
chain drive all day any day.
WD-40 + grunge brush to degrease.
Gear oil + toothbrush to lube.
Keep it simple guys.
Chain drive is the only way to go. Shaft drive sucks!
shaft drive
She only rides if it has a shaft.
Harley charges a 1000$ to change a belt on my Fatboy. So yes think about that before buying.
Shaft drive
Man how many videos did you uploaded with the same topic, it's not even funny.
Actually out of my 9 years on this channel I've only done this topic twice, the last time was six years ago. I've had more experience and problems to share and added new material update. When I did the first I had never owned a belt driven bike, since then I owned a Ducati XDiavel cruiser with belt drive and experience problems, also I experienced a very expensive problem with a chain drive bike.
@@CycleCruza If you say so... it's been years since I subscribed to you and honestly it feels like you talked about it more than twice, maybe you didn't dedicated more than two videos but you probably talked about it in some other videos, or it could be just me... either way try to be original in the future to come please... I would appreciate it and I'm probably not the only one, cheers.
When you say $700 for a belt you must mean Retail price from the Dealer and Dealer Labor costs to install it.. I am sure you can buy a belt aftermarket for much less.. I had a 4 wheel drive Tractor Dealership built Minniapolis Moline Tractor that was belt driven .. the Belt was 4" wide and very thick ...
When you say you loose 11% pwoer from a chain and 31% from a shaft crive.. You mean from gross engine HP to the power lost from the transmission shaft and rear differential .. combined..
Shaft Drive bikes also get considerably worse MPG thanks to the power loss in the differential ..
You can put elctric motos on the wheels of a car and run those motors with a gasoline powered engine and get better mpg than with a transmission and differentiol propelled normal car...
Ducati parts are super expensive, even if you do the work yourself. It $700 for the belt alone not including labor. No, I said chain has a 3% power loss, Belt is 11% power loss and shaft is 31% power loss.
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Scrub the chain with a toothbrush to remove the grime, squirt a bit of gear oil all over the chain, scrub a bit more with the toothbrush, done deal, five minutes tops!!.
Don't waste your money on those chain brush gimmicks and expensive chain grease made with unicorn tears.
I have yet to own a motorcycle. I can't have a say yet.
Get one!!!
@@CycleCruza I would love to. I just need me 5.5k for my Z400 starter/first bike
Omfg... will you, youtubers, bloggers, etc., actually open a mechanics book? Or at least look at dyno charts? There is practically no difference between power losses among these options. Or anyone is willing to tell me that a shaft somehow absorbs 40kW of energy from the engine without melting in a minute or so? Just look at rear wheel power of chain driven bikes and shaft driven bikes compared to their rated engine output on dyno charts. % difference is 1-2% at worst. And only due to an extra gear or two on a shaft, depending on engine configuration. Stop spreading this nonsense ffs.
Power loss, who cares ? Are you really racing everywhere ? Shaft is the best, belt is a good second place, Smooth & clean, chains suck. Bmw’ s. Maintenance free chain ? It may be better but maintenance free ? NO. Cheap ? NO. As far as changing a belt depends on make & model, Suzuki LS 650 takes about 10 min. HD sportster not much longer, big twin ?😆
One thing I really missed, on the shaft drive, make sure your happy with the gearing. In theory it could be changed, in real life it is what it is,
Isn't this a repeat video
New material added and updates to reflect my experience and problems since the first. I had two very expensive bike problems, with a chain drive and a belt drive since the first video. I also share more insight along with more experience and why I like a chain drive the best. I never upload the same video twice ever. There will always be new content added for a different version and with updates and new footage/material. Watch the video and see.
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So instead of buying a new bike you recycle an old video ?
Updated new content to video. If you watched the video you would see! I had two experience bike problems with a chain drive and with a belt drive and footage to share. Newly updated.