I'm tired of "Disney Dialogue" - which is the ostensibly witty, fast-paced, endlessly irreverent dialogue in which every other statement is a sarcastic one-liner or snarky underhanded insult. Gets old.
When they integrated it into Star Wars 7, 8, 9 I wanted to kill myself. It just wasn't the type of 'humor' Star Wars was known for or done. Usually it was kept to just C3PO or Han Solo being Han Solo but nothing over the top. I hate how its infected movies and tv show mediums it doesn't belong in. Not everyone wants that crap.
@@Continuum7 As much as Sequel fans hate to admit it, there's a reason new Star Wars content locked that era away in a vault and went backwards in time for more content. You cannot make a real story out of that ass-backwards trilogy.
@@UltimaKeyMaster Yeah it was shocking just how much potential was wasted ... Star Wars coming back and we had a whole trilogy that was so disconnected and it shouldn't have been. All they had to do was continue the Original Trilogy vibes and couldn't even respect the OG characters.
and before anyone mentions these as counter points, let me stop you there and say The Batman and Joker do this as well. They just copy 70s crime movies beat for beat instead of other superhero movies
Similar to Venom when the villainy rich CEO guy said the world is ending or in chaos or whatever but I was like “where? Everything seems fine?” When you keep telling the audience that the world is ending in these movies people just stop caring because they already predicted that the hero will win anyways
Only Batman (if you want serious storytelling disguise as a super hero) and Deadpool (comedy and satire in superhero genre) movies are the type of superhero content I craved from now on also The Boys, Invincible and One Punch Man Marvel peak at Endgame like it's an End of an Era while after that it's the Woke era
@@snuggin man of steel had cool dbz esque CGI fights but batman v superman and justice league were nothing special, and its hard not to lump man of steel with those DCEU movies
Batman vs Superman was a lot better than all marvel films. Atleast BatFleck uses Brute force on destroying his enemies and makes them BLEED, while Marvel has most enemies flying around landing in perfect condition without one single broken bone or blood lmao. Child ass Marvel movies
"not every character needs to be tony stark" you definitely hit the nail on the head with that tony was interesting and funny because he created a contrast from everyone else who was serious and it sucks they just started adding his traits to everyone
I had never watched MCU aside from Ant man and Age of Ultron when they released, those two left a bad taste in my mouth before I sat down and actually watched everything through endgame. I hated how comedic marvel movies were, but didnt understand at the time they were literally just taking the most popular character (Tony) and applying his mannerisms and comedic value to everything. Biggest offender is Thor. You can actually see how they changed his character from Serious Funny to Tony Funny. Edit: I should add I did enjoy the MCU ride. I watched it with friends who had not rewatched them all so it was a great experience for us all. But you can totally see where the movies transition into that comedic Tony style.
Also Tony's joke is more about showing that he's a insufferable asshole and not a cool fun guy, and Marvel think that it's good and thus making every single marvel characters into a insufferable asshole without any other good personality as contrary
I still remember those days during A. infinity where I argued about how circus like Marvel has become (compared to Blade, the first Xmen trilogy, and the first Spiderman trilogy) which alot of people got super offended by it and defend those jokes. I'm glad the world understands now.
No because superheroes are just low hanging fruits with no originality. With comedy it has twists and turns. I mean you can tell what a superhero movie is gonna be a about "Some guy in spandex, gets power to stop a supervillain".And then you get lame 90% special effects for the easy going consumers
Step 1 : Everything is going normally. Step 2 : Bad guy attacks. Step 3 : Heroes defend against the bad guy. Step 4 : Bad guy seems to be winning. Step 5 : With the power of friendship the heroes beat the bad guy and the city is saved (left in rubble).
That's as far from relatable as any plot could be ever. I'd rather watch a movie about a band of superhero friends living in a shoe-box of an apartment, struggling to afford rent and living off ramen noodles in NYC.
& in the comics, the bad guys keep winning month & after month, with the heroes only gaining small victories before shit gets worse, & you pray for several months more that the heroes can at least have a few moments of peace. Then the big crossover event hits.
I totally agree. The irony is, The Boys, and Invincible is so great due to the boring same old superhero movies existing, but giving a different twist to it
@@antogno4625 yes, it's one of the most faithful adaptations I've ever seen. It made some changes, but there's one in particular that I actually prefer to the comic and it has to do with Lucifer. It's a solid 9.2/10 imo, and the soundtrack is fucking BEAUTIFUL. My personal favorite episode was 6, The Sound of Her Wings
Nah they are just better shows because characters are well written there is an actual stake in those shows and story is interesting and at the same time have a comedy aswell a good comedy
My biggest complaint is all the jokes. I don’t need them to be completely joke less but I just wish we could have some more serious superhero shows and movies and to make each one unique. These studios are just focusing on quantity over quality which makes me quite sad because superhero movies used to be a real treat to watch
I think that’s why so many people liked “The Batman.” It was a nice refresher from all these same superhero movies and didn’t force any lame/corny jokes. It took itself seriously, even though it’s still a DC film.
I’ve watched the movie 7 times. Since it’s a pretty long movie, I have to time it perfect such that it won’t go way past bedtime. Stand alone movies fucking slaps
@@yungdosaki2208 just watched the sandman (which was great) and I was thinking about the same. Dc would have been my fav if they did better instead of being wannabes.
"Not every character needs to be Tony Stark" I didn't realize till you said this that the MCU playbook is just taking Tony Stark's character trait of always having some smart ass thing to say and just repeating for every character in every movie until the gag is beyond worn out
When you think of it, by the time the Endgame was over, every member of original 6 Avengers has turned into Tony Stark (except for Steve Rogers who was always kept as a serious, stoic character). And by the time Phase 4 kicked off, virtually every single character in the entire franchise has become a Tony Stark clone for some reason.
And why did everyone actually like Chadwick’s performance as Black Panther? Every other hero in that movie quipped- but T’challa never quips. He’s the one guy who doesn’t crack Stark jokes.
that’s exaggerating though. the things Thor says are way dumber than what Tony would say. Bruce is consistently awkward. Black Widow, Hawkeye and sometimes Quill are worse offenders
everybody ganging up on martin for his statement, but that was the LEAST harmful statement done at least the comparison was with a theme park ride (you can kinda enjoy that one), but the director of birdman outright called them *cultural genocide*
Glad to know I'm not alone. I watched Marvel religiously until Endgame, and after that I've only watched a few things here and there. I'm just tired of it. I want original movies.
Endgame is pretty much the closing chapter of the superhero cinematic universe so when their are superhero movies connected to it, it feels tiring. At least make the superhero movies more of like slice of life rather than saving the day after Endgame.
The problem is when they do produce an original film, no one goes out to see it. So until they start losing money from superhero franchises, we're just gonna have more of them 🤷♂️
I'm honestly surprised it took this long for people to finally get tired of the humor ruining scenes that should have been taken seriously. Obviously a character like Deadpool should keep doing what he does, because you're getting exactly what you expect out of that. I think that's why I personally enjoyed the latest Batman movie so much. It was just "finally, I can actually take this movie seriously"
Dont you just hate it when the villain breaks character and cracks a joke that the fans will recognize as a reference just because they need more fanservice?
In regards to the superhero shows, I liked Moon Knight quite a bit as it broke away at times from the classic Marvel formula. I loved the psychological exploration of that show
Moon Knight is awful. Literally 6 episodes of nothing. The ending is so fucking boring. I got nothing out of watching it. Also... I love how heroes NEVER get shot... It just never happens
I think in DC's defence, at least they're much more willing to experiment than Disney with their conveyor belt, quantity over quality mindset. Over the last few years we've had director-led films like Joker, The Batman and the Snyder Cut of Justice League that are more dynamically shot, scored and acted than anything the MCU has churned out lately, perhaps ever. I liked No Way Home a lot but let's be honest, it was very reliant on nostalgia. Yeah the clueless execs at Warner Bros have mishandled the DCEU terribly and made some awful decisions, but at least you're more likely to be surprised and left with a lasting impression with DC than Marvel.
Peacemaker was also a great continuation of the same writing style as suicide squad for dc, but through a different lens and it delves into some pretty serious topics like being born into a family where bigotry and belittling is normalized, but that you don’t have to be the spitting image of those who came before you.
@@charlesmartel6508 what are you trying to do here? This has nothing to do with it being good or not. It's something different. This has nothing to do with your opinion on it.
I felt like Invicible's underlying philosophy got kinda confusing towards the end (I'm also a fucking dumbass so it probably went over my head) but god damn, what an entertaining ride.
@@arenomusic it's not too complicated, Omni Man believes human life is at best an ant farm to be kept around as pets: he is a god amongst mortals. he only values life when his son not only opposes him but still loves him
This is why “The Batman” was so refreshing to me. I remember when the biggest criticism of superhero movies was that DC is too dark and serious. I agreed with a lot of the criticism, though I’ve always preferred more of a dark or serious tone. Now we’ve come full circle and people want more of that seriousness, and less of the Marvel/Disney formula.
Even the Titans show had me hooked. Dc is just always darker and grittier and it works. I wish they would let Afleck do a another run in a tv show or a mini series or something. He looked really good and healthy in snydercut
@@thelordz33 Batman vs superman ultimate cut and Justice league snydercut were both really good. But other than that Dc fails because of WB. WB has done an excellent job with the animation tho, So many amazing animated DC films. Its just weird they can't do the same thing for film. The batman was refreshing look for using some villains we havent seen in awhile.
Dark and serious wil ALWAYS outlast its polar opposite. Even as a kid, I used to enjoy the crap out of Batman Beyond, and Teen Titans even though those shows were super dark as heck. Marvel got popular because it's refreshing to see Avengers. But because they aren't dark and serious, their time is up, and so many people started to move on from that goofy era.
An interesting point people were bringing up is something called “investment cost”. How much time and effort is it going to take to be able to catch up to the MCU and follow it with everyone else. For a new fan coming into the MCU from the first Avengers, all they had to watch was the first two Iron Mans, Captain America, Hulk and Thor. For a new fan to the MCU they have roughly 23 movies to watch with about seven or eight tv shows to get to the same level as a legacy viewer. That’s going to be a huge haemorrhage when new viewers don’t watch and let’s face it, the Marvel movies are incredibly formulaic unlike Star Wars where at least each one was different. Would you really want to watch 20 of almost the same movie?
Oh yea, I wouldn't mind trying to get into the MCU except any plan that Marvel had past Endgame just is wayyyy too time consuming and the payout isn't even worth it considering not even Marvel knows how they want to proceed with the phases.
I grew up in a time when Superhero movies were few and far between. It was an event when you saw them because they didn't make them much. It's not like that anymore. I think a lot of people are suffering superhero fatigue, especially us older folks.
I feel like annother big contributor to the whole thing is the stakes. Back when it was just the city of New York or the survival of some citizens the stakes feel grounded and real. With the whole “saving the world” thing being thrust in every single film, nothing feels notable and the tension is immediately gone. With invincible however, the stakes are real as it is established throughout the series that heroes can’t save everyone. And by having spent time with the one civilian Mark hurt, people aren’t just faceless casualties. This is also shown pretty well in The Boys, since avenging a dead girlfriend and having the villains being powerful people that abuse their power feel far more real than anything marvel has pumped out as of late. So yeah, grounded stakes good.
I don't think it's bad to have grand "save the world" stakes, but at certain point, the stakes get so great that they're hard to tell apart. So if you keep raising them as time goes on, you get to the point where it doesn't matter anymore and it's all the same. If you fail, everyone dies. It's kinda like power creep, but in movies.
@@davidwallace5645 yea, that and too many in your face cliches, like "only 1 outcome we win this" "if we lose the world is doomed" "if we mess up its all over," just so many one liners about it said over and over
True 100%. Most Superhero movies and Shonen Animes are so generic that everytime I watch new one it feels like I've already watched this show 10 times before.
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Man I hate these stupid trailer lines they have, the superhero C.E.O needs to chill out and make some well needed changes as soon as- he’s right behind me, isn’t he?
Having to watch the shows is a damn lie from the MCU for the sake of money. They used to have Agents of SHIELD, Agent Carter and Inhumans but now they dont matter. Netflix made their Marvel shows that did really well but the MCU wiped those out but still dangle them in front of those shows fans while disregarding the shows in their universe. There are shows that are supposed to be connected that no one saw like Hit Monkey, MODOK, Cloak and Dagger and they don't matter at all. The Disney Plus shows barely have any connection via their characters but almost none in regards to story. The next shows to be released include Spider-Man Freshman Year which shows Peter dealing with Dr. Octopus, Scorpion, Chameleon, Norman Osborne taking him on as a mentor figure just like Tony Stark did but before he did. All that is supposed to be canon now when it never happened before and that makes no damn sense. The movies have become just as vapid and worthless with Phase 4 having almost as many movies as Phases 1 and 2 combined but it all seems so aimless.
@@jessecortez9449 the Disney plus shows are actually relevant to the movies though wandavision links into Dr Strange MOM and Loki is integral to everything going forward, also Ms Marvel ties into The Marvels (Captain Marvel 2) also as shown by Spider-Man and Hawkeye and the She-hulk trailer daredevil and kingpin from the Netflix shows are in the MCU so to say they’re not connected is a lie but the big thing is that anything that wasn’t seen to be very good like Inhumans is gonna be thrown out but that’s not to say they could never be brought back in if they wanted to redeem it
Invincible was such an incredible breath of fresh air in the superhero genre. I’ve always been a Marvel fan but I’ve been disappointed with almost everything they’ve produced under Disney
People deeply criticized Scorsese when he made the comments about the amusement park movies with comic book superheroes. Fast forward a couple years, more and more people are starting to agree with him
The same thing happened to zombie media a few years ago. So much of the same type of content is blasted out it gets boring even if it's technically well made
As a person who really likes to watch zombie related films, I can confirm that this is true. The only movies and shows that I've enjoyed so far out of all I've watched are Z nation, All of us are Dead, and Wyrmwood. All the others are meh
I agree they are the same in principle, but they are vastly different in regards to degree. I think super hero over saturation dwarfs zombie saturation at its height.
We need to bring back the amazing action films of the 80s and 90s! Movies that Cannon films put out back in the day and of course the bigger studios too!
I stopped caring after Endgame. I already wasn’t too big on superhero stuff, the Avengers movies were pretty much the only superhero movies I ever watched outside of Deadpool and Guardians of the Galaxy but I’m not sure they’re considered superheroes, they’re more like bad people that do good things. I guess superhero stuff just isn’t my thing.
“Not every character has to be Tony Stark.” Exactly. There are so many types of humor/comedy out there and with all the heroes different life experiences, I imagine they would all develop different types of humor. Edit to Clarify: I would like a serious Marvel movie as well, I doubt we’ll get it because they’re making so much money on their little comedy specials. All I’m saying is that if we’re going to have to deal with so much comedy, I would like some variety.
Or maybe they could just drop the humor for a movie or two. I mean superheroes are inherently goofy af but imo marvel movies feel more like action comedy movies. Hell i don't even want these movies to be all serious and shit but pls for the love of god this one-liner type humor just has to go
@@yeetthemeat-yf5vp bro it's a superhero movie it's supposed to be serious, but if ur going be funny do it without trying like opm manga instead of forcing jokes like a bad comedian
You aren’t alone. I think you hit the nail on the head on every point in my opinion. It’s like watching prime time TV. It’s a formula, it’s vanilla, it’s boring.
Even though Tony Stark's character was humor-oriented from the start, where I think the back-and-forth buddy comedy quipping that seems to have completely infected every Marvel movie really started was with the first Guardians of the Galaxy. That's when this slow descent into carbon-copy, superhero sitcoms really started. And you're right. It's exhausting.
@@consensus688 It actually suited Tony though. Like, it was a part of his egoistic personality and it complimented the different personas of every member in the team. It was fresh, really. But when every other character seems to have the same formula applied....well, its no longer interesting
@@i_like_protein That was something I really like about the ant man movies. The characters weren't really quippy, and the humor came from their personalities.
Honestly i burned out after End Game. That was literally a 10+ year plot spanning 20+ movies. And it ended spectacularly. And now theyre booting a new wave? Like real comics its just too much to keep up. The best films are the ones that are self contained with their own story to tell not to sell someone elses down the line.
But that's what made phase 1-3 so successful, lots of interweaved narratives all culminating in Endgame. Phase 4 has many self contained stories, the problem though is that the stories they're telling(for the most part) just suck.
I mean opinions can be opinions, but comics are honestly a different story. You don't have to read everything just pick up good runs nad stories. It's not shoved into your throat too and definitely good to just read good runs and stories that you will never run out of because of comics long history and upcoming books which will always have bangers.
Syndrome said it best: _"when everyone is super, then no one will be"._ The superhero genre will end up like the Westerns in the late 80's, being parodied and deconstructed.
It already was lol - "Superhero Movie", starring Drake Bell. Came out in 2008, I think. Rewatched it a few years ago, it holds up surprisingly well - deserves more attention.
I always liked super heroes, but I'm starting to think they work better as comics or tv shows. The heroes AND villains get more development over time, and in comics they can get away with more. They tend to be a lot weirder and more creative then the movies. Some of them have been pretty good still lately (I liked the new Spider-Man, and Suicide Squad), but it is a shame other stuff isn't as well supported anymore.
Completely agree with you on that. Although, I only really look forward to standout comic book movies like the Batman, Logan, or original stories that don't have the same formula over and over again
I agree, the market’s just become so oversaturated. I also miss the days when “cinematic universes” weren’t a thing and a movie or series can just stand alone and be it’s own thing.
Agreed. There’s a saying I’ve heard thrown around the internet a lot regarding this issue: “Everyone wants to make the next Avengers, but no one wants to make the next Iron Man.” And it’s so true. That’s why I have such deep respect for those who just wanna keep making original, stand-alone content that doesn’t have a sequel and doesn’t need one. Jordan Peele, Martin Scorsese, and Quentin Tarantino are individuals that come to mind, and A24 is a very respectable studio for pulling this off as well.
Let me ask u this, did this movies ever cause u mentally and physical harm? Nobody forced u to watch these thing and ur just complaining for the sake of complaining.
@@haroldnecmann7040 its called honest critic. which is very important. if the industry is all cookie cutter and recycled formulaic films its vital and absolutely warranted to express an opinion
If constructive criticism to you is called “complaining” then there’s nothing to be gained from in your comment. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, especially if it’s for the betterment of entertainment media
That’s why I personally liked The Batman so much it was a very different take on super hero movies didn’t need to have the characters quipping the whole time took its time to and deviated
When it comes to how the characters in these movies speak, I blame Joss Whedon for all that. His style has infected pop culture even outside of movies? See the trailer for the game "Forspoken", for example.
Blame Robert Downey Jr. actually lol. Iron Man 1 lacked a shooting script so he improvised most of his dialogue which is where his character gets his snappy sense of humor from. They just got Whedon afterwards because they shared a similar sense of humor.
It's not that I dislike superheroes, it's just I'm tired of that pegi 12 thing and being treated like a child. There are no deep moments in superhero movies anymore, there's no reading between lines. We're all treated like children with some cool explosions and repetitive heroes. That's the reason The Boys is so good to me. I don't feel like I'm being treated like an idiot there. It doesn't water down on reality, the characters are so flawed and well-written and there is so much more to it like real meaningful moments, dark and twisted humour because they treat their audience like adults and so much satire and mockery of our real world that it has become part of the humour.
I love the show, but the dark and twisted humour is typically enjoyed by the teen audience tho. I mean using swear words and dark sht for satire lol. I laughed at that when I was 16. I've seen lots of teenagers on twitter love the dude running up the PP (my comment got deleted for the word ☠️), yes it was wacky, but I didn't laugh out loud. I became boring Ig :'). Oof
@@Ilivedbih I meant more like Frenchie being so high he couldn't sit straight, Hughie using his powers only to realize he is naked. It's not things that make you go "HAHAHAH", but a slight and genuine giggle and remembering what made you laugh is better than something you'll forget when you leave the cinema.
There is a reason why "The Boys" and "Invincible" are so immensely popular. For one, they're really good shows, but secondly they offer an alternative, more realistic view of "superheroes", unlike the "hero comes to save the day and fix all your problems"- type of media that's been shoved down our throats since 2008. Also part of the reason why I think that Agents of Shield is the best thing that Marvel has done to this day.
boys season 2 was shit tho, they went full woke with it and i hate how they reduced French into such a simp for the asian girl when he started out so intresting and cool
The Boys isnt a superhero show. Its a show about how fucked up people are and they just so happen to have superpowers. Its a lot more character driven.
@@deamnis the boys was didn't go woke it was always anti-capitalist and anti-conservative, if you needed a literal Nazi with incel alt-right 4chan fanboys and homelander rallying MAGA redcaps to realise that then you're not very clever
@@deamnis I agree about Frenchie but I think the season was still really good. Honestly frenchies character is easier to understand for most people now too. Still wish he didn’t simp so hard
Dude I so fucking agree. Blows my mind that so many people aren't tired of the absolute saturation of repetitive superhero bullshit and CGI heavy movies
I agree too man. I don’t mean to sound like an asshole but the level of writing is so dumbed down and generic it’s hard to watch. It’s seems there is a group of marvel fans that live vicariously through these characters and content. It’s why these why people ruin the movie theater experience when they can’t help themselves screaming and cheering at the top of their lungs for made up characters. Like a lot of these comments said they are just milking the same cow until it drys up.
I'm absolutely sick of live action Marvel and DC movies. Back when I was a kid, I only watched them because I was a follower to my older brother who loved them. But after I started to go my own direction, I realized how much of a waste of time they are. Because Every film is the same boring, overrated, annoying, forgettable, uninspiring quip-fest over and over again. I just wished I realized this way sooner. I switched over to anime, because those are actually fun, memorable, inspiring and what my childhood should have been. This was all just my opinion, I have tons of respect for you Cr1tikal, you have been my childhood for a long time.
anime is amazing. you get lost in the universe of whatever anime you enjoy watching. and they don't have woke BS in them. or stupid and boring "jokes" MCU movies have. benefits of being a Japanese show.
As someone who is not a marvel fan, it definitely feels like they are releasing TOO much content. It like a movie and a tv for every season and I don’t think this would last until the end of this decade. Then on top of that, there are some many Easter eggs spread out between the movies and tv shows you not going to get unless you follow hardcore. When it’s all said and done I think there will be a big distinction from movies made pre and post endgame.
It appears the multiverse saga will end in 2025. I think they might end it there because I don't see what they could do that is bigger than the multiverse.
Yeah, the biggest problem is that the whole genre has been COMPLETELY oversaturated. It also doesn't help that the writing can be pretty lack-luster at time.
The problem with superhero movies nowadays is that they all want multiple year long continuities and storylines to catch the lighting-in-a-bottle that was Infinity war. It’s not happening. Not ever, ever again. So with that said just make them self contained stories. Into the spider verse didn’t sequel bait and even if it had it was completely contained as a story. All superhero movies should aim to do that. Be a completely fulfilling story in and of themselves
I was going to make the same comment about trying to recapture infinity war. It’s so annoying knowing exactly how the Kang invasion film is going to end to try and get that same shock leading into Secret Wars. Fantastic comic arc, but people are still going to be disappointed because Infinity War was the first to have that massive ‘heroes lose’ event in mainline superhero films.
@@Evanz111 If they fuck up Doom and Reed's rivalry in Secret Wars it's gonna be so disappointing to see They're the core of Secret Wars, if you don't do them justice then you're making a grave mistake adapting that storyline in particular and all that build up in the previous phases goes into the garbage (This is assuming they're adapting the modern Secret Wars & not the classic one, either are possible but for me the 2015 run seems more likely, just replace the Beyonders with Kang)
I am honestly surprised people still don't feel like this, I just keep watching Daredevil and punisher because those are so different in tones, writing, etc. that it doesn't even feel like Disney/DC carbon copies
They haven’t been very good recently, and they get pumped out as quickly as possible. They don’t change what it means to be superheroes. The shows all suck but peacemaker was refreshing. Because he isn’t a hero no matter how much he wants to be. It’s not funny but it’s not just the same sludge that keeps coming out.
One way I can describe this is, my favourite chocolate is Lindor and the reason for this is I eat it like once or twice a year. If I had a Lindor box every week it would just be another chocolate I enjoy, maybe it would hit different sometimes but usually when something is so readily available so often it gets really generic. Hope I made sense
The sad thing is, you KNOW Hollywood is going to milk The Boys and Invincible formula as well so within a decade even those shows that were once considered fresh are going to feel stale
@@greatdimkpa1467 it’s called generation supe I think. Might be pretty interesting tbh the boys is the only superhero content I’m genuinely excited for all the time now
I feel like the Batman just was more of an interesting film due to it being more serious and if there was a joke it’s was subtle which I liked, I feel like they need to focus on seriousness within these movies with superhero’s to make them actually interesting instead of seeing an actor in a green suit making crappy jokes in a green screen room…I’m not at all hyped for future marvel content but I am for the Batman timeline due to it actually taking characters seriously so As everyone is saying I think the Batman was very refreshing indeed
@@puffd4nny Well, Batman as a character was always more of a vigilante than a superhero, that’s what I liked about the movie that they captured that aspect
Completely agree, I liked the marvel movies up until No Way Home, but I’ve slowly lost interest, but things like Batman and the Boys give fresh new takes on the genre that don’t feel like boring copies of previous movies. The rarity of this unique content gives it more value as well. I’m very hyped for the new Batman timeline as well
We need more like independent superhero movies, like spawn, the boys, invincible, or probably superheroes that didn’t have a chance like John Constantine, or ghost rider
The problem is that when a company starts trying to chase their previous success rather than telling stories they genuinely care about and put a lot of thought and work into, they inevitably make something that's shit. There is no secret formula to writing a good story, only a series of best practices that dont always mix well together.
yess, this is a big rule i have for myself as someone who creates. i do not let myself try to remake things only because it was successful the first time. if i’m going to do anything, i have to do it bc i’m passionate about it and care about the actual thing, not the result i’ll get.
The fact that he has to apologize every so often for having an opinion says a lot about the state of the fandoms that surround these movies. It's kind of sad.
I agree everybody thinks there opinions are right and yours is wrong instead of just accepting that people like different styles of movies. I definitely disagree with people on movies but I’m not gonna talk shit to them cause I don’t agree. I love the new Batman movie but I understand not everybody likes a slower pace movie.
@@dudenotsoperfect9366 that's a small fandom compared to the likes of superhero movies. I don't see how that's worse. Remember, MCU fans sent death threats to Scorcese and called him a racist after his opinion on superhero movies went viral lol.
I feel like it's not worth going to the cinemas nowadays, cause it's basically either Superhero movies or a Disney movie. There're rarely any unique or different movies that are actually worth seeing, sometimes it's years between anything good.
I've been burned out for a while, and I was a comic geek growing up. It's just too much. I don't want to have to watch 30 movies and 10 TV shows to get everything going on. I want good stand alone movies more than a franchise. I want unique stories...not the same thing rehashed over and over and over again.
It's why I like DC unironically. A lot of Marvel fans don't understand I'm not looking for shit like The Batman to be in the DCEU let it do a trilogy and disappear
FR the last couple of marvel movies are so freaking mid I couldn't finish moon knight or the Wanda multiverse movie and I've been "die-hard" fan since iron man so seeing these movies feels like a shell of itself :/
This is why Joker and logan to some extent was refreshing even though it was still part of a franchise it felt like it's own thing and they tried to do something different with it. I'm not necessarily over superhero movies i'm just over the exact same ones in these giant franchises with the same formulas. I want to see more smaller superhero movies where indies can be creative like chronicle. Giant hollywood studios are way too afraid of stepping into unknown territory at the risk of maybe losing money, they find what works and then over the course of 20 years they drive it into the ground, same shit happens with video games (ubisoft being the most obvious example).
" I want unique stories...not the same thing rehashed over and over and over again." Tough shit, cause we've had the same shit rehashed over and over since the mid 90s. It's not really a super hero thing, it's just how movies are made. Once you know the formula it is extremely hard to enjoy movies afterwards... It's like how knowing a good bit about music makes most pop music damn near unlistenable.... It's the same shit over and over.. Same chords, same damn arpeggios and progressions. Hell, most of it is white keys only these days, cause why learn anything but Am and C? The movie formula was perfected before 2000, and that's why everything after 2000 is just remakes and knockoffs. The only new thing to actually happen to movies after the 90s were high quality super hero movies. Now that's been run into the ground because innovation is hard. Once super hero movies go away, what we'll be left with are more stories you've heard a million times told according to the allmighty formula. Event - bad turn - victory for ever. 3 chapters, same story, mostly the same actors over and over.. Movies kinda suck.
@@juliee593 they change plot lines, story, and not making it generic (not all of them) making it so interesting such as hero school, overpowered bored guy (opm a good captain, and a genius scientist
You are absolutely correct Moist Man, it’s become “Buy this product, get excited for the next product, and while you wait here’s MORE product” and the product is mediocre CGI dumpster fires pumped out on a factory conveyor belt. They took what works and what people say they want and have run with that model for years with zero innovation and they keep alleviating the stakes by “infinite multiverses” giving them an excuse to replace their primary set of actors but it’s the same characters. Watching these movies and shows in the moment with friends is fun, laugh and mock the bad ones, turn your brain off for the good ones and just enjoy it, but… it’s all too much now, there really is superhero fatigue
This is exactly why I felt like The Batman was such an enjoyable movie. It broke out of the typical superhero movie formula that marvel has been recycling since Endgame (which is sad considering Moon Knight had a lot of potential before it was ruined). It was a very grounded movie with slow pacing that fit with the plot, and it still didn't compromise on humour with scenes like Penguin's interrogation by Batman and Gordon. Even characters that people found funny, like Paul Dano's Riddler, still felt menacing and demented and the humour didn't take away from them or make them silly in any way. I was really hoping Love and Thunder would have a similar vibe and pacing, with an almost serial killer-like feel, having Thor (and company) investigate a series of god-killings trying to track down Gorr while being under the threat of getting killed himself, forcing him to be wary and more mature. Instead we got Gorr the Child Kidnapper and a bunch of mid-2000s movie humour. Such a waste of potential (and Christian Bale).
God I thought Batman was a snore fest would have been a good movie if it didn’t drag on for 3 fucking hours. Also this Batman has literally no emotion he is just in a constant state of brooding and zero emotion. Immediately fell in love with cat women also after like 2 sentences exchanged between them.
Comparing dc to marvel, or expecting the later to make movies with the same level of darkness and depth as the former is asking a bit much. While the later dc stuff has been a little brighter and the marvel stuff has attempted something a little darker, nether can pull off what the other does. DC will always be a little bit more baroque than marvel can ever be.
The Batman followed the same type of formula as Christopher Nolan's Batman movies, just with different actors and villains. I suppose if you're under age 20 and you've never seen the Nolan movies you could say it was original, but it really wasn't. Borrowed formula just like all the others.
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@@GarseJanacek it's a bit of an open secret mate. Whatever profits the movie makes goes into the movie stars, etc. While the VFX artists get paid peanuts despite the fact without the VFX artists, the movie would suck. I'm not in the industry but these things are well known for anyone who's worked freelance in the US.
The second he said “it’s like being asked to rate every single individual noodle in a bowl of spaghetti” I immediately stopped wiping my cheeks on the pooper and liked this video. He spoke up for a part of my sub conscious that even I didn’t know was buried away.
5:38 exactly why I liked batman so much. It wasn’t a perfect movie by any means but I loved it because it was different. It was serious when I should be and didn’t push the very few humorous parts very much
I think the Batman was the one exception for me. It was so different. It wasn’t jokey, it was serious and it’s not like a superhero movie has to be serious to be good but it makes it unique and refreshing. I don’t actually care about the shows. I’m just going to watch the few movies I want to watch. They’ve definitely degraded.
Movies like Logan and joker are amazing examples for movies that don’t always take the same route as what we’ve been recently overfed I have to agree with Charlie
I’m done with Mcu, I actually loved Blue Beetle one of my favorite characters in comics turned into a movie except that batman line was lame. But any other super hero movie mainly Marvel has just been boring for me.
1:19 Hit me pretty hard. The fact that we live in a world where commentators have to put in that "this is my opinion and you can have a different opinion and that's okay" disclaimer before anything they say. I wish we lived in a society where that sort of statement was just self-obvious and people don't blow up at the slightest thing that differs (let alone challenges) from their point of view.
@@Ravix0fFourHorn People say shit like this but it's just not true, this is how it's always been. We just see It more because people giving their opinions are more. Even 3 decades ago people used to get pissed at Critics like Roger Eberts for his opinions.
I truly believe that being bought by Disney has imbued Marvel with a "too big to fail" attitude that has caused them to take the audience they had at their peak for granted; like, why should THEY have to apologize for pushing out a mediocre product? I hope that Matt Reeves's "The Batman" really made a lot of people at Marvel question their marriage to the MCU. That movie is the type of movie that Marvel simply cannot make anymore. The MCU bars them from ever truly experimenting with their properties
That was 100% Disney’s logic with buying Star Wars. They ruined everything but still made too much money to never care about it. “Somehow, palpating returned” tops the worst line I’ve ever heard in any movie.
When I watched the second doctor strange, I remember being so bored. The like lead character (the America multiverse crossing lady) had such a standard arc of not being able to control her power to miraculously doing it at the end because of finding meaning or whatever. Dr. Strange’s arc was also plain, with him essentially getting the power to defeat Wanda using the power of love. It was just so dull to me.
Definitely agree, every marvel movie feels so formulaic that you know exactly what's gonna happen and when it happens. Thor love and thunder was so hard to watch at times with the never ending forced humour in the face of death, its so tiring. However The Batman was very enjoyable, probably the first superhero movie I've really enjoyed since Endgame. But yeah it feels like every single character in marvel is just a combination of Tony Stark and Deadpool now.
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people say this a lot "marvel is too formulaic" but honestly I don't see anything wrong with that? The MCU is clearly on a set path that's well thought out by that whole division or whoever tf makes the mcu. The characters are likable, they're pretty and well made movies? Like I really don't understand the criticism... Every time the internet loses their mind about how a marvel movie is "SOOOO BADD" I go and watch it and find out that its not that bad. like consistently people overreact with marvel, captain marvel, watched it, it was an ok film black widow, it was an OK film hawkeye, was probably the worst of the bunch but was STILL ok, I still enjoyed it. thor love and thunder was a GOOD movie. ms marvel was obviously made for teenagers and it was pretty good, I enjoyed it. and lastly, moon knight, I was told, was absolutely god awful and the cgi made people vomit. that was a straight up fuckin lie, moon knight was fire, the actor was really good and the CGI dipped literally once on the first episode, the rest of the show it ranged from good to REALLY GOOD. lack of direction is also the exact problem with the DC movies for me. These movies, They feel completely directionless, like they have no idea where they're going. I've seen batman v superman, both justice leagues, both suicide squads AND shazam AND wonderwoman. They all seemed completely directionless like they were all going in complete different directions.
@@thepopo592 I get what you're saying but a "well thought out path" is not the same as being formulaic. They're doing the same thing in every single movie, of course people get tired of it. It's like eating the same meal every day, only the meal aint steak or pizza but the slop that they feed to pigs. Thor was so disappointing to me, like the humor wasn't even funny. Chris Hemsworth is the only reason someone would want to watch that. There's no stakes either which makes the action lose all its value. And the romance was so forced and terrible. The script was a slap in the face to such talented actors, because they all have amazing depth but it was watered down in that movie. It's not that the movies are so bad to the point of repulsion, it's that they all are the same and have absolutely no depth to them. I tried so hard to just feel something during that movie but I just felt empty. Storytelling in general is very formulaic, it's about how the story is told that makes it worth seeing the same tropes.
Yeah moonknight was absolute fire, loved it. Loki series was also brilliant, but every superhero movie i see now is just the same, and Love and Thunder is a perfect example of that. And The Batman strayed from the norm and turned out out to be really enjoyable.
It’s like going to a restaurant with only steak on the menu. The steak is good and you like steak so you come in frequently But eventually you get tired of eating the same thing and want something else. You look around and see that because of how popular the steak is, other restaurants are also switching to making steak. Also because the cooks know you’re already addicted to steak they’ve started putting in less effort and taking shortcuts in making the steak so it doesn’t even taste as good. So there you are left with only steak and realizing you’re slowly starting to hate it.
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I felt like this since 2011 or something, the only few movies/series that got me excited when it came to super hero movies were the Watchmen, Invincible, Man of Steel and few popular ones like the batman trilogy. I haven't watched the marvel stuff because it's just boring neither the Thanos series. I would love a take like the 2 I mentioned when it comes to super hero movies, we don't have enough of that.
I thought The Batman was a nice change of pace, but I definitely agree that no Marvel or DC movie excites me anymore. I think it's also so severe and gas come on so quickly since most Marvel projects have been average or lower in terms of writing quality. It happened with westerns, it happened with war movies, and it's gonna happen with superhero movies, eventually interest will wane enough for them to leave the mainstream.
I liked the newest Batman because it wasn’t a “save the world from a massive threat” kind of movie, it’s Bruce Wayne dealing with the different experiences within Gotham. It felt very gritty and like characters had genuine impact on each other in a grounded world. Marvel characters just flit in and out of each other’s stories with ever higher stakes in a sterile, sparkly and marketable world.
it’s my favourite super hero movie ever. pretty much everything about it was great. compared to most marvel movies you see nowadays it was a breath of fresh air.
@@victoriatowns9237 Batman was great because he wasn’t a godlike, goofy superhero. He was a man who’d take hard hits and be affected by them. He had a very definable motive that didn’t leave him running around or traveling the universe aimlessly, he took his clues from his target, and followed the riddlers tracks, while also helping those he wants to help.
@@victoriatowns9237 I love how little the impact of these super apocalyptic events and stakes have on the world. I mean just look at "The Eternals" a giant celestial being twice the size of Earth appears, then dips and literally no one ever mentions this. In the Marvel world I guess its another Tuesday evening.
"When everyone is super, no one will be" Syndrome predicted it 16 years ago.
This is so facts holy shit I hope this comment blows up
Syndrome was the og
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Lol profound, W Syndrome
@@Panaceaba down
I'm tired of "Disney Dialogue" - which is the ostensibly witty, fast-paced, endlessly irreverent dialogue in which every other statement is a sarcastic one-liner or snarky underhanded insult. Gets old.
When they integrated it into Star Wars 7, 8, 9 I wanted to kill myself. It just wasn't the type of 'humor' Star Wars was known for or done. Usually it was kept to just C3PO or Han Solo being Han Solo but nothing over the top. I hate how its infected movies and tv show mediums it doesn't belong in. Not everyone wants that crap.
@@Continuum7 As much as Sequel fans hate to admit it, there's a reason new Star Wars content locked that era away in a vault and went backwards in time for more content. You cannot make a real story out of that ass-backwards trilogy.
@@UltimaKeyMaster Yeah it was shocking just how much potential was wasted ... Star Wars coming back and we had a whole trilogy that was so disconnected and it shouldn't have been. All they had to do was continue the Original Trilogy vibes and couldn't even respect the OG characters.
old disney wasnt like this tho. Remember masterpieces like The Hunchback of Notre Dame and Treasure planet? With comedy but also depth and emotions
You certainly got old boomer.
Superhero movies these days are basically:
"Can I copy your homework?"
"Sure, but change it a little."
Its literally always the same
Just like UA-cam comments. This was such a nothing comment with a format used a million times and it's not funny
@@cardinal6348 Yet somehow a bunch of bots and mindless NPCs see the same joke they've seen thousands of times before and like it.
@@cardinal6348 yeah, but is he wrong though?
and before anyone mentions these as counter points, let me stop you there and say The Batman and Joker do this as well. They just copy 70s crime movies beat for beat instead of other superhero movies
"The world needed a hero" - A character in the same universe as Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, and dozens of others
In order for someone to reasonably say that there needs to be a villain that executes every hero until 1 is left.
@@gohanlopez5330 in fairness black Adam is a villain lol. Well Anti Hero 🤷 depends on what your reading
Similar to Venom when the villainy rich CEO guy said the world is ending or in chaos or whatever but I was like “where? Everything seems fine?” When you keep telling the audience that the world is ending in these movies people just stop caring because they already predicted that the hero will win anyways
Only Batman (if you want serious storytelling disguise as a super hero) and Deadpool (comedy and satire in superhero genre) movies are the type of superhero content I craved from now on also The Boys, Invincible and One Punch Man
Marvel peak at Endgame like it's an End of an Era while after that it's the Woke era
@@omegasaiyanuchiha3426 lol Homelander will never be as iconic as Spider-Man sorry bro
The problem is they're not fun or interesting stories, they're just CGI glow-fests.
Watch man of steel again.
@@snuggin man of steel had cool dbz esque CGI fights but batman v superman and justice league were nothing special, and its hard not to lump man of steel with those DCEU movies
@@snuggin dude that movie was released almost 10 years ago whats your point
@@snuggin man of steel is just a giant cgi reel
without the absurd amounts of cgi it’s a bare bones story with nothing special or interesting about it
Batman vs Superman was a lot better than all marvel films. Atleast BatFleck uses Brute force on destroying his enemies and makes them BLEED, while Marvel has most enemies flying around landing in perfect condition without one single broken bone or blood lmao. Child ass Marvel movies
"not every character needs to be tony stark"
you definitely hit the nail on the head with that
tony was interesting and funny because he created a contrast from everyone else who was serious and it sucks they just started adding his traits to everyone
I had never watched MCU aside from Ant man and Age of Ultron when they released, those two left a bad taste in my mouth before I sat down and actually watched everything through endgame. I hated how comedic marvel movies were, but didnt understand at the time they were literally just taking the most popular character (Tony) and applying his mannerisms and comedic value to everything. Biggest offender is Thor. You can actually see how they changed his character from Serious Funny to Tony Funny.
Edit: I should add I did enjoy the MCU ride. I watched it with friends who had not rewatched them all so it was a great experience for us all. But you can totally see where the movies transition into that comedic Tony style.
@@kibblevert Thor was an absolutely horrid character until ragnarok.
@@kibblevert its gross honestly, marvel will do anything to milk the most popular thing for money
Also Tony's joke is more about showing that he's a insufferable asshole and not a cool fun guy, and Marvel think that it's good and thus making every single marvel characters into a insufferable asshole without any other good personality as contrary
I still remember those days during A. infinity where I argued about how circus like Marvel has become (compared to Blade, the first Xmen trilogy, and the first Spiderman trilogy) which alot of people got super offended by it and defend those jokes.
I'm glad the world understands now.
Been feeling this since Endgame, the fatigue is real
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moon knight, NWH??
that's why watch the boys
@@masonwright7700 NWH was so mid
I honestly agree with you
"When everyone is super, no one will be"
Same goes for humor. "when everything is a joke, nothing is funny"
Syndrome a real one
No because superheroes are just low hanging fruits with no originality. With comedy it has twists and turns.
I mean you can tell what a superhero movie is gonna be a about "Some guy in spandex, gets power to stop a supervillain".And then you get lame 90% special effects for the easy going consumers
Step 1 : Everything is going normally.
Step 2 : Bad guy attacks.
Step 3 : Heroes defend against the bad guy.
Step 4 : Bad guy seems to be winning.
Step 5 : With the power of friendship the heroes beat the bad guy and the city is saved (left in rubble).
Sounds like 90% of media
It's been like this the last 80 years
That's as far from relatable as any plot could be ever. I'd rather watch a movie about a band of superhero friends living in a shoe-box of an apartment, struggling to afford rent and living off ramen noodles in NYC.
& in the comics, the bad guys keep winning month & after month, with the heroes only gaining small victories before shit gets worse, & you pray for several months more that the heroes can at least have a few moments of peace.
Then the big crossover event hits.
Bro legit just the basic concept of Sonic at this point.
Even though it was obviously predictable, Charlie back-to-back guessing the next line in the Black Adam trailer had me cracking up.
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I totally agree.
The irony is, The Boys, and Invincible is so great due to the boring same old superhero movies existing, but giving a different twist to it
There's also The Sandman, it's an adaptation of the Neil Gaiman story and holy SHIT, it's so good
@@w33dn0se3 It is that good? i have read the comic and loved it, is this show a good adaptation?
"postmodern" superheroic is getting old aswell
@@antogno4625 yes, it's one of the most faithful adaptations I've ever seen. It made some changes, but there's one in particular that I actually prefer to the comic and it has to do with Lucifer. It's a solid 9.2/10 imo, and the soundtrack is fucking BEAUTIFUL. My personal favorite episode was 6, The Sound of Her Wings
Nah they are just better shows because characters are well written there is an actual stake in those shows and story is interesting and at the same time have a comedy aswell a good comedy
My biggest complaint is all the jokes. I don’t need them to be completely joke less but I just wish we could have some more serious superhero shows and movies and to make each one unique. These studios are just focusing on quantity over quality which makes me quite sad because superhero movies used to be a real treat to watch
you should watch zack snyder justice league
not the one from 2017
@@irzanrahmandha5334 I plan on watching it I just haven’t gotten around to watching it yet
U should also see the new Batman, Its incredibly dark and a new era for superhero films
@@jobutupacki6158 I have seen the new Batman and I loved it. My only complaint is that it’s a little too long
I agree to an extent but I think then they run the risk of taking themselves too seriously and being lame
I think that’s why so many people liked “The Batman.” It was a nice refresher from all these same superhero movies and didn’t force any lame/corny jokes. It took itself seriously, even though it’s still a DC film.
Agreed
I strongly agree with you! It's a Definitive Cinematic Masterpiece
Same for the joker
If DC wasn't ran by greedy Disney wannabe Warner bros, they'd probably make the most enjoyable movies
I’ve watched the movie 7 times. Since it’s a pretty long movie, I have to time it perfect such that it won’t go way past bedtime. Stand alone movies fucking slaps
@@yungdosaki2208 just watched the sandman (which was great) and I was thinking about the same. Dc would have been my fav if they did better instead of being wannabes.
"Not every character needs to be Tony Stark" I didn't realize till you said this that the MCU playbook is just taking Tony Stark's character trait of always having some smart ass thing to say and just repeating for every character in every movie until the gag is beyond worn out
When you think of it, by the time the Endgame was over, every member of original 6 Avengers has turned into Tony Stark (except for Steve Rogers who was always kept as a serious, stoic character). And by the time Phase 4 kicked off, virtually every single character in the entire franchise has become a Tony Stark clone for some reason.
@@flagflow1232 maybe when Tony snapped his finger he placed his personality in everyone as-well...
And why did everyone actually like Chadwick’s performance as Black Panther? Every other hero in that movie quipped- but T’challa never quips. He’s the one guy who doesn’t crack Stark jokes.
that’s exaggerating though. the things Thor says are way dumber than what Tony would say. Bruce is consistently awkward. Black Widow, Hawkeye and sometimes Quill are worse offenders
@@mamba7160 thor is just about as worse as tony when it comes to quips and shitty jokes
Martin Scorsese is more right than ever about his statement about superhero movies being theme park rides.
Honestly really hate that quote, why did he have to do theme park rides so dirty?
@@wafffel your focusing on the quote and not what he really meant
Go back and see his full interview
everybody ganging up on martin for his statement, but that was the LEAST harmful statement done
at least the comparison was with a theme park ride (you can kinda enjoy that one), but the director of birdman outright called them *cultural genocide*
@@themanwithnothingtolose it's a joke my guy
@@games_on_phone89 and he inst that far away from the truth.
Glad to know I'm not alone. I watched Marvel religiously until Endgame, and after that I've only watched a few things here and there. I'm just tired of it. I want original movies.
same i had a huge mcu phase but with phase four i just got so disinterested
Endgame is pretty much the closing chapter of the superhero cinematic universe so when their are superhero movies connected to it, it feels tiring. At least make the superhero movies more of like slice of life rather than saving the day after Endgame.
Exact same here
The problem is when they do produce an original film, no one goes out to see it.
So until they start losing money from superhero franchises, we're just gonna have more of them 🤷♂️
@@Miketation Name one of these original modern Marvel films...
"He's right behind me, isn't he?"
"The world needed a hero...instead, it got me."
*2 people are fighting, 3rd person comes in* "ENOUGH!"
You forgot about the overly friendly side character that dies and gives the hero motivation to beat the bad guy
@@Shadow497Knight and that one really annoying character who tries to be funny
"we're just two sides of the same coin"
@@thatguywhosayshi6084 “We are not so different, you and I”
@@Shadow497Knight Oh you right
I'm honestly surprised it took this long for people to finally get tired of the humor ruining scenes that should have been taken seriously. Obviously a character like Deadpool should keep doing what he does, because you're getting exactly what you expect out of that. I think that's why I personally enjoyed the latest Batman movie so much. It was just "finally, I can actually take this movie seriously"
Same I hate it when there's no real seriousness in the movie or any risks because you know they will always win
Dont you just hate it when the villain breaks character and cracks a joke that the fans will recognize as a reference just because they need more fanservice?
@@elijahpelito4722 You know, I'm something of a scientist myself.
@@silly_on_ No way home was definitely a fan-service movie lol
I still love these movies. You are entitled to your opinion.
In regards to the superhero shows, I liked Moon Knight quite a bit as it broke away at times from the classic Marvel formula. I loved the psychological exploration of that show
I was looking for this comment. Moon Knight is so good!
@@shuu_39 no It isn't lmao, its just decent, the bare minimum.
Moon knight was fucking ASS
Moon Knight is awful. Literally 6 episodes of nothing. The ending is so fucking boring. I got nothing out of watching it. Also... I love how heroes NEVER get shot... It just never happens
Exactly Moon Knight wasn’t even Moon Knight
I think in DC's defence, at least they're much more willing to experiment than Disney with their conveyor belt, quantity over quality mindset. Over the last few years we've had director-led films like Joker, The Batman and the Snyder Cut of Justice League that are more dynamically shot, scored and acted than anything the MCU has churned out lately, perhaps ever. I liked No Way Home a lot but let's be honest, it was very reliant on nostalgia. Yeah the clueless execs at Warner Bros have mishandled the DCEU terribly and made some awful decisions, but at least you're more likely to be surprised and left with a lasting impression with DC than Marvel.
Don’t forget The Suicide Squad.
Peacemaker was also a great continuation of the same writing style as suicide squad for dc, but through a different lens and it delves into some pretty serious topics like being born into a family where bigotry and belittling is normalized, but that you don’t have to be the spitting image of those who came before you.
Lol everything they made is dog shit
Snyder cut is bad
@@charlesmartel6508 what are you trying to do here? This has nothing to do with it being good or not. It's something different. This has nothing to do with your opinion on it.
the anti-super hero content has been on point lately. *The Boys* and *Invincible* were great examples.
I felt like Invicible's underlying philosophy got kinda confusing towards the end (I'm also a fucking dumbass so it probably went over my head) but god damn, what an entertaining ride.
what?
@@ftrogs1230 why was this funny
@@arenomusic it's not too complicated, Omni Man believes human life is at best an ant farm to be kept around as pets: he is a god amongst mortals. he only values life when his son not only opposes him but still loves him
@@arenomusic the part in brackets is true
This is why “The Batman” was so refreshing to me. I remember when the biggest criticism of superhero movies was that DC is too dark and serious. I agreed with a lot of the criticism, though I’ve always preferred more of a dark or serious tone. Now we’ve come full circle and people want more of that seriousness, and less of the Marvel/Disney formula.
most if not all recent batman movies have been successful because of the dark and serious tone because it fits the character and world of gotham city.
Even the Titans show had me hooked. Dc is just always darker and grittier and it works. I wish they would let Afleck do a another run in a tv show or a mini series or something. He looked really good and healthy in snydercut
The biggest criticism of DC was that their movies were bad and it's cinematic universe was so forced and obviously only existed to copy Marvel.
@@thelordz33 Batman vs superman ultimate cut and Justice league snydercut were both really good. But other than that Dc fails because of WB. WB has done an excellent job with the animation tho, So many amazing animated DC films. Its just weird they can't do the same thing for film. The batman was refreshing look for using some villains we havent seen in awhile.
Dark and serious wil ALWAYS outlast its polar opposite. Even as a kid, I used to enjoy the crap out of Batman Beyond, and Teen Titans even though those shows were super dark as heck. Marvel got popular because it's refreshing to see Avengers. But because they aren't dark and serious, their time is up, and so many people started to move on from that goofy era.
An interesting point people were bringing up is something called “investment cost”. How much time and effort is it going to take to be able to catch up to the MCU and follow it with everyone else.
For a new fan coming into the MCU from the first Avengers, all they had to watch was the first two Iron Mans, Captain America, Hulk and Thor. For a new fan to the MCU they have roughly 23 movies to watch with about seven or eight tv shows to get to the same level as a legacy viewer. That’s going to be a huge haemorrhage when new viewers don’t watch and let’s face it, the Marvel movies are incredibly formulaic unlike Star Wars where at least each one was different. Would you really want to watch 20 of almost the same movie?
Oh yea, I wouldn't mind trying to get into the MCU except any plan that Marvel had past Endgame just is wayyyy too time consuming and the payout isn't even worth it considering not even Marvel knows how they want to proceed with the phases.
29 movies now lmao. But I mean if you aren’t a fan by now, don’t even bother
@@thefilmschlock By the next 10 years,it might be 60
I grew up in a time when Superhero movies were few and far between. It was an event when you saw them because they didn't make them much. It's not like that anymore. I think a lot of people are suffering superhero fatigue, especially us older folks.
Lmfso wtf does being older have to so with anything???? Yiu jusr said you at least had a time where it wasnt like this. Younger peiple havent.
@@pap-fryou kinda answered yourself lol
I feel like annother big contributor to the whole thing is the stakes. Back when it was just the city of New York or the survival of some citizens the stakes feel grounded and real. With the whole “saving the world” thing being thrust in every single film, nothing feels notable and the tension is immediately gone. With invincible however, the stakes are real as it is established throughout the series that heroes can’t save everyone. And by having spent time with the one civilian Mark hurt, people aren’t just faceless casualties. This is also shown pretty well in The Boys, since avenging a dead girlfriend and having the villains being powerful people that abuse their power feel far more real than anything marvel has pumped out as of late. So yeah, grounded stakes good.
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I don't think it's bad to have grand "save the world" stakes, but at certain point, the stakes get so great that they're hard to tell apart. So if you keep raising them as time goes on, you get to the point where it doesn't matter anymore and it's all the same. If you fail, everyone dies.
It's kinda like power creep, but in movies.
@UnfaithfulEvil 🅥 what the fuck
@@davidwallace5645 yea, that and too many in your face cliches, like "only 1 outcome we win this" "if we lose the world is doomed" "if we mess up its all over," just so many one liners about it said over and over
"Being asked to rate these new movies is like being asked to rate every noodle in a bowl of spaghetti."
Man that was on point haha
True 100%. Most Superhero movies and Shonen Animes are so generic that everytime I watch new one it feels like I've already watched this show 10 times before.
tbh sounds like something charlie would do
That was a pretty accurate statement.
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I feel like I have to watch 100 movies just to know what's going on. I'm tired of it.
You can count on every superhero trailer starting with a single piano key usually over a shot of a city.
Completely agree with the only exception being The Batman. I thought that movie was unique enough and enjoyed it.
If I see another "He's right behind me, isn't he," I'm just walking out of the theater
Look behind you.
"He's right behind me, isn't he"
Yes the door to the theatre, I am out
Man I hate these stupid trailer lines they have, the superhero C.E.O needs to chill out and make some well needed changes as soon as- he’s right behind me, isn’t he?
It can be kinda funny sometimes but it is a bit over used
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Its not controversial...... keeping up with Marvel is like having a 2nd job. Now you need to watch shows to understand thr movies.
i feel bad for you
I'm glad I never bought into this consumerist culture.
Having to watch the shows is a damn lie from the MCU for the sake of money.
They used to have Agents of SHIELD, Agent Carter and Inhumans but now they dont matter.
Netflix made their Marvel shows that did really well but the MCU wiped those out but still dangle them in front of those shows fans while disregarding the shows in their universe.
There are shows that are supposed to be connected that no one saw like Hit Monkey, MODOK, Cloak and Dagger and they don't matter at all.
The Disney Plus shows barely have any connection via their characters but almost none in regards to story.
The next shows to be released include Spider-Man Freshman Year which shows Peter dealing with Dr. Octopus, Scorpion, Chameleon, Norman Osborne taking him on as a mentor figure just like Tony Stark did but before he did. All that is supposed to be canon now when it never happened before and that makes no damn sense.
The movies have become just as vapid and worthless with Phase 4 having almost as many movies as Phases 1 and 2 combined but it all seems so aimless.
@@ianflanders5096 lameass
@@jessecortez9449 the Disney plus shows are actually relevant to the movies though wandavision links into Dr Strange MOM and Loki is integral to everything going forward, also Ms Marvel ties into The Marvels (Captain Marvel 2) also as shown by Spider-Man and Hawkeye and the She-hulk trailer daredevil and kingpin from the Netflix shows are in the MCU so to say they’re not connected is a lie but the big thing is that anything that wasn’t seen to be very good like Inhumans is gonna be thrown out but that’s not to say they could never be brought back in if they wanted to redeem it
Invincible was such an incredible breath of fresh air in the superhero genre. I’ve always been a Marvel fan but I’ve been disappointed with almost everything they’ve produced under Disney
Invincible, The Boys AND The Batman were all a breath of fresh air. And that's the kind of stuff that will keep the genre alive and thriving.
I just recently re-watched Watchman for the first time in years and man what a breathe of fresh air it was.
wdym watched
That was the greatest comic film ever, my mind was blown.
it's human nature meets godhood
People deeply criticized Scorsese when he made the comments about the amusement park movies with comic book superheroes. Fast forward a couple years, more and more people are starting to agree with him
My only problem is that he hasn’t finished a superhero movie, so why make that comment if you haven’t even seen them?
@@Daredevil_2k16 he's still correct regardless
@@RisottoGiacomo yeah let's agree with him because the "majorities" now felt the same way.
@@haroldnecmann7040 not really, you can have your own opinion. I hate most marvel movies, boring recycled junk
he said that when I still enjoyed most MCU flicks so I disagreed with him. phase 3 was great
The same thing happened to zombie media a few years ago. So much of the same type of content is blasted out it gets boring even if it's technically well made
As a person who really likes to watch zombie related films, I can confirm that this is true. The only movies and shows that I've enjoyed so far out of all I've watched are Z nation, All of us are Dead, and Wyrmwood. All the others are meh
@@vuncelantenweid2556 Have you seen return of the living dead ? Or the dead troligy ?
@@vuncelantenweid2556
Z Nation? Really?
@@vuncelantenweid2556 If you like AouaD you'll definitely like Train to Busan.
I agree they are the same in principle, but they are vastly different in regards to degree. I think super hero over saturation dwarfs zombie saturation at its height.
We need to bring back the amazing action films of the 80s and 90s! Movies that Cannon films put out back in the day and of course the bigger studios too!
Terminator franchise already failed at that.
I stopped caring after Endgame. I already wasn’t too big on superhero stuff, the Avengers movies were pretty much the only superhero movies I ever watched outside of Deadpool and Guardians of the Galaxy but I’m not sure they’re considered superheroes, they’re more like bad people that do good things. I guess superhero stuff just isn’t my thing.
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Though it's weird people say superheroes aren't their thing but love stuff like anime or other fantasy and sci-fi
@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 How?
@@vkyal5810 How are superheroes more absurd?
“Not every character has to be Tony Stark.”
Exactly. There are so many types of humor/comedy out there and with all the heroes different life experiences, I imagine they would all develop different types of humor.
Edit to Clarify: I would like a serious Marvel movie as well, I doubt we’ll get it because they’re making so much money on their little comedy specials. All I’m saying is that if we’re going to have to deal with so much comedy, I would like some variety.
Or maybe they could just drop the humor for a movie or two. I mean superheroes are inherently goofy af but imo marvel movies feel more like action comedy movies. Hell i don't even want these movies to be all serious and shit but pls for the love of god this one-liner type humor just has to go
That's such a great line for current movies
@@yeetthemeat-yf5vp I agree with this, I doubt it will happen though.
@@yeetthemeat-yf5vp bro it's a superhero movie it's supposed to be serious, but if ur going be funny do it without trying like opm manga instead of forcing jokes like a bad comedian
@@cloverherreign2825 nah like i said imo superheros are pretty fucking goofy how ever this mcu one-liner humor is terrible
Quite simply: when you give everyone the same jokes as spiderman, nobody sounds funny anymore.
If everyone is funny then nobody is
Ironically they don't even let Spidey joke in the movies
"When everyone is super, no one will be."
“When everyone penguin, zero will be”
Everyone tryna be Tobey Maguire
Christopher nolan's batman trilogy > entire marvel universe
You aren’t alone. I think you hit the nail on the head on every point in my opinion. It’s like watching prime time TV. It’s a formula, it’s vanilla, it’s boring.
Even though Tony Stark's character was humor-oriented from the start, where I think the back-and-forth buddy comedy quipping that seems to have completely infected every Marvel movie really started was with the first Guardians of the Galaxy. That's when this slow descent into carbon-copy, superhero sitcoms really started. And you're right. It's exhausting.
It was robert downey jr fault he had the idea to improv most of the lines
@@consensus688 It actually suited Tony though. Like, it was a part of his egoistic personality and it complimented the different personas of every member in the team. It was fresh, really. But when every other character seems to have the same formula applied....well, its no longer interesting
the infection has spread to the d&d movie too
every character turned into "the quipy one"
@@i_like_protein That was something I really like about the ant man movies. The characters weren't really quippy, and the humor came from their personalities.
Don't worry Charlie, the feeling is mutual, especially on Marvel movies.
My name is Uhtred son of Uhtred born a Saxon raised as a Dane Destiny is all!!!
Exactly. Its not really superhero fatigue for me, cuz i could watch the boys all day long, its more like marvel fatigue.
Especially DC movies
fuck marvel lol
DC movies as well
it's rlly boring when the good guys literally never fucking lose
That's why Infinity War was so good
Or when the protagonist doesn't have any moral complexity beyond "I'm the good guy, nuanced character writing is for pussies."
Infinity war was a surprise, all the heros just got beaten up no "secret weapon" shenanigans used by the hero.
Watch movies like Logan and The Dark Knight
Honestly i burned out after End Game. That was literally a 10+ year plot spanning 20+ movies. And it ended spectacularly. And now theyre booting a new wave? Like real comics its just too much to keep up. The best films are the ones that are self contained with their own story to tell not to sell someone elses down the line.
But that's what made phase 1-3 so successful, lots of interweaved narratives all culminating in Endgame.
Phase 4 has many self contained stories, the problem though is that the stories they're telling(for the most part) just suck.
Endgame was really bad. It did not end how it should have
Comics are not too much to keep up you can read a whole volume in a day
@@novustalks7525 I wouldn't say bad, but I wasn't the biggest fan of endgame either. I'm not a fan of time travel bullshit.
I mean opinions can be opinions, but comics are honestly a different story. You don't have to read everything just pick up good runs nad stories. It's not shoved into your throat too and definitely good to just read good runs and stories that you will never run out of because of comics long history and upcoming books which will always have bangers.
Syndrome said it best: _"when everyone is super, then no one will be"._
The superhero genre will end up like the Westerns in the late 80's, being parodied and deconstructed.
Someone already made this joke two days ago
It already was lol - "Superhero Movie", starring Drake Bell. Came out in 2008, I think. Rewatched it a few years ago, it holds up surprisingly well - deserves more attention.
@@WhatAHorribleNight Deserves more attention... It's Free on UA-cam...
@@moroseloki1912 he means more people should watch it duh
The boys is a good satire on superheroes
I always liked super heroes, but I'm starting to think they work better as comics or tv shows. The heroes AND villains get more development over time, and in comics they can get away with more. They tend to be a lot weirder and more creative then the movies. Some of them have been pretty good still lately (I liked the new Spider-Man, and Suicide Squad), but it is a shame other stuff isn't as well supported anymore.
Completely agree with you on that. Although, I only really look forward to standout comic book movies like the Batman, Logan, or original stories that don't have the same formula over and over again
I agree, the market’s just become so oversaturated. I also miss the days when “cinematic universes” weren’t a thing and a movie or series can just stand alone and be it’s own thing.
Agreed. There’s a saying I’ve heard thrown around the internet a lot regarding this issue: “Everyone wants to make the next Avengers, but no one wants to make the next Iron Man.” And it’s so true. That’s why I have such deep respect for those who just wanna keep making original, stand-alone content that doesn’t have a sequel and doesn’t need one. Jordan Peele, Martin Scorsese, and Quentin Tarantino are individuals that come to mind, and A24 is a very respectable studio for pulling this off as well.
Let me ask u this, did this movies ever cause u mentally and physical harm? Nobody forced u to watch these thing and ur just complaining for the sake of complaining.
@@haroldnecmann7040 its called honest critic. which is very important. if the industry is all cookie cutter and recycled formulaic films its vital and absolutely warranted to express an opinion
@@haroldnecmann7040 bruh chill, no media is free from criticism
If constructive criticism to you is called “complaining” then there’s nothing to be gained from in your comment. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, especially if it’s for the betterment of entertainment media
That’s why I personally liked The Batman so much it was a very different take on super hero movies didn’t need to have the characters quipping the whole time took its time to and deviated
I see way my favorite super hero’s are super man and super dog known aka KRYPTO he is my favorite it’s sad to see this is the last one 😰😰😰😰😢😢😢
He will be missed I hope they have a change of heart soon so soon very very soon
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Just the opening of that movie is better than all the crap Marvel released this entire year
the batman felt like a generic batman movie
When it comes to how the characters in these movies speak, I blame Joss Whedon for all that. His style has infected pop culture even outside of movies? See the trailer for the game "Forspoken", for example.
Blame Robert Downey Jr. actually lol. Iron Man 1 lacked a shooting script so he improvised most of his dialogue which is where his character gets his snappy sense of humor from. They just got Whedon afterwards because they shared a similar sense of humor.
That's why I return to My Life As a Teenage Robot. This show has it all and Jenny is so good, she never gets boring.
Teenage robot shows trash. That's the most laughing stock hero showing the f****** planet.
It's not that I dislike superheroes, it's just I'm tired of that pegi 12 thing and being treated like a child. There are no deep moments in superhero movies anymore, there's no reading between lines. We're all treated like children with some cool explosions and repetitive heroes. That's the reason The Boys is so good to me. I don't feel like I'm being treated like an idiot there. It doesn't water down on reality, the characters are so flawed and well-written and there is so much more to it like real meaningful moments, dark and twisted humour because they treat their audience like adults and so much satire and mockery of our real world that it has become part of the humour.
It's crazy how Into the Spiderverse was aimed at a younger audience yet felt FAR deeper and more mature than the live action stuff..
I love the show, but the dark and twisted humour is typically enjoyed by the teen audience tho.
I mean using swear words and dark sht for satire lol. I laughed at that when I was 16.
I've seen lots of teenagers on twitter love the dude running up the PP (my comment got deleted for the word ☠️), yes it was wacky, but I didn't laugh out loud.
I became boring Ig :'). Oof
@@Ilivedbih I meant more like Frenchie being so high he couldn't sit straight, Hughie using his powers only to realize he is naked. It's not things that make you go "HAHAHAH", but a slight and genuine giggle and remembering what made you laugh is better than something you'll forget when you leave the cinema.
read the comics, they are much better with the story and characters.
Kinda why I liked Dr Strange 2. It was barely a superhero movie. It was a horror movie with superheroes in it.
There is a reason why "The Boys" and "Invincible" are so immensely popular. For one, they're really good shows, but secondly they offer an alternative, more realistic view of "superheroes", unlike the "hero comes to save the day and fix all your problems"- type of media that's been shoved down our throats since 2008. Also part of the reason why I think that Agents of Shield is the best thing that Marvel has done to this day.
If you're watching Superhero movies for being grounded you're not okay
boys season 2 was shit tho, they went full woke with it and i hate how they reduced French into such a simp for the asian girl when he started out so intresting and cool
The Boys isnt a superhero show. Its a show about how fucked up people are and they just so happen to have superpowers. Its a lot more character driven.
@@deamnis the boys was didn't go woke it was always anti-capitalist and anti-conservative, if you needed a literal Nazi with incel alt-right 4chan fanboys and homelander rallying MAGA redcaps to realise that then you're not very clever
@@deamnis I agree about Frenchie but I think the season was still really good. Honestly frenchies character is easier to understand for most people now too. Still wish he didn’t simp so hard
Dude I so fucking agree. Blows my mind that so many people aren't tired of the absolute saturation of repetitive superhero bullshit and CGI heavy movies
I agree too man. I don’t mean to sound like an asshole but the level of writing is so dumbed down and generic it’s hard to watch. It’s seems there is a group of marvel fans that live vicariously through these characters and content. It’s why these why people ruin the movie theater experience when they can’t help themselves screaming and cheering at the top of their lungs for made up characters. Like a lot of these comments said they are just milking the same cow until it drys up.
@higginsoutdoors1224 that's why I moved on to anime
I'm absolutely sick of live action Marvel and DC movies. Back when I was a kid, I only watched them because I was a follower to my older brother who loved them. But after I started to go my own direction, I realized how much of a waste of time they are. Because Every film is the same boring, overrated, annoying, forgettable, uninspiring quip-fest over and over again. I just wished I realized this way sooner. I switched over to anime, because those are actually fun, memorable, inspiring and what my childhood should have been. This was all just my opinion, I have tons of respect for you Cr1tikal, you have been my childhood for a long time.
anime is amazing.
you get lost in the universe of whatever anime you enjoy watching.
and they don't have woke BS in them. or stupid and boring "jokes" MCU movies have.
benefits of being a Japanese show.
As someone who is not a marvel fan, it definitely feels like they are releasing TOO much content. It like a movie and a tv for every season and I don’t think this would last until the end of this decade. Then on top of that, there are some many Easter eggs spread out between the movies and tv shows you not going to get unless you follow hardcore. When it’s all said and done I think there will be a big distinction from movies made pre and post endgame.
It appears the multiverse saga will end in 2025. I think they might end it there because I don't see what they could do that is bigger than the multiverse.
Gee who would have thought, if you don’t keep up with the movies you won’t get the easter eggs
@@FriteZMcSwift you’re missing the point my guy
Marvel needs to chill out a little
I feel like The Batman movie was a breath of fresh air when it dropped, since it wasn’t anything like the current superhero movies we get nowadays
because it was more an action movie than a superhero movie, ditch the superhero costumes and you'd still have a solid movie. great film
definitely right. FELT different.
Na The Batman was alright. Nothing groundbreaking.
@@TheTenaciousDog which is why it was a breath of fresh air, and not groundbreaking
Not hearing a funny haha every 10 seconds was a good experience
"the world is under a threat again. Some guy has the power to save it. But will he? Of course he will"
Finally someone else says it. Superhero stuff is so just rinse and repeat nowadays that once you’ve seen one movie you’ve seen them all
Yeah, the biggest problem is that the whole genre has been COMPLETELY oversaturated. It also doesn't help that the writing can be pretty lack-luster at time.
Kinda reminds me of what happened to the zombie genre about ten years ago.
Superheroes aren't a genre
They put themselves in a situation where they have to oversaturate it to keep people from canceling their Disney+ subscriptions
@UnfaithfulEvil 🅥 didn't laugh
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The problem with superhero movies nowadays is that they all want multiple year long continuities and storylines to catch the lighting-in-a-bottle that was Infinity war. It’s not happening. Not ever, ever again. So with that said just make them self contained stories. Into the spider verse didn’t sequel bait and even if it had it was completely contained as a story. All superhero movies should aim to do that. Be a completely fulfilling story in and of themselves
I was going to make the same comment about trying to recapture infinity war. It’s so annoying knowing exactly how the Kang invasion film is going to end to try and get that same shock leading into Secret Wars. Fantastic comic arc, but people are still going to be disappointed because Infinity War was the first to have that massive ‘heroes lose’ event in mainline superhero films.
@@Evanz111 if they actually make it good enough people will like it
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If they fuck up Doom and Reed's rivalry in Secret Wars it's gonna be so disappointing to see
They're the core of Secret Wars, if you don't do them justice then you're making a grave mistake adapting that storyline in particular and all that build up in the previous phases goes into the garbage
(This is assuming they're adapting the modern Secret Wars & not the classic one, either are possible but for me the 2015 run seems more likely, just replace the Beyonders with Kang)
There's not even a problem with trying to do what marvel did and build a large storyline but DC just doesn't commit because WB is lazy and pathetic.
Ppl don't like how self contained phase 4 stories are lol
I am honestly surprised people still don't feel like this, I just keep watching Daredevil and punisher because those are so different in tones, writing, etc. that it doesn't even feel like Disney/DC carbon copies
They haven’t been very good recently, and they get pumped out as quickly as possible. They don’t change what it means to be superheroes.
The shows all suck but peacemaker was refreshing. Because he isn’t a hero no matter how much he wants to be. It’s not funny but it’s not just the same sludge that keeps coming out.
I can imagine Charlie's grandfather in like the 1940s getting on his little soapbox and saying "I'm tired of all the superhero comics"
People who liked superhero comics/movies have always been looked at as nerds up until around the 2010s, superhero's weren't oversaturated in the 40s.
@Kavetion you don’t compare yourself with a god.
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What other comics were there though back in the 40s?
It’s always just “Alr well the hero is gonna lose the first fight, find out something to boost morale, almost lose the next fight and then win”
I can compare most superhero movies to Hallmark movies. Same structure, different characters/location/details/etc.
The good ol' PowerRangers formula
I mean, that's just action movies in general. Not really a superhero thing
There will occasionally unique ones that aren't like that.
@UnfaithfulEvil 🅥 You’re not funny
One way I can describe this is, my favourite chocolate is Lindor and the reason for this is I eat it like once or twice a year. If I had a Lindor box every week it would just be another chocolate I enjoy, maybe it would hit different sometimes but usually when something is so readily available so often it gets really generic. Hope I made sense
"asked to rate every individual noodle in a bowl of spaghetti" .....nice line. I'll have to remember that one
The sad thing is, you KNOW Hollywood is going to milk The Boys and Invincible formula as well so within a decade even those shows that were once considered fresh are going to feel stale
Considering that The Boys is going to have another spin-off,i agree with you
Yup
@@nothingman7 wait what spin-off?
@@greatdimkpa1467 it’s called generation supe I think. Might be pretty interesting tbh the boys is the only superhero content I’m genuinely excited for all the time now
@@patbateman8116 I looked it up and it seemed kinda unnecessary to me
I feel like the Batman just was more of an interesting film due to it being more serious and if there was a joke it’s was subtle which I liked, I feel like they need to focus on seriousness within these movies with superhero’s to make them actually interesting instead of seeing an actor in a green suit making crappy jokes in a green screen room…I’m not at all hyped for future marvel content but I am for the Batman timeline due to it actually taking characters seriously so As everyone is saying I think the Batman was very refreshing indeed
Facts 💯
I'd say the Batman is more a vigilante movie than a superhero movie. I liked it a lot.
@@puffd4nny 100%
@@puffd4nny Well, Batman as a character was always more of a vigilante than a superhero, that’s what I liked about the movie that they captured that aspect
Completely agree, I liked the marvel movies up until No Way Home, but I’ve slowly lost interest, but things like Batman and the Boys give fresh new takes on the genre that don’t feel like boring copies of previous movies. The rarity of this unique content gives it more value as well. I’m very hyped for the new Batman timeline as well
3:48 this is how you can tell the video was uploaded before she-hulk's release without even looking at the upload date
We need more like independent superhero movies, like spawn, the boys, invincible, or probably superheroes that didn’t have a chance like John Constantine, or ghost rider
The problem is that when a company starts trying to chase their previous success rather than telling stories they genuinely care about and put a lot of thought and work into, they inevitably make something that's shit.
There is no secret formula to writing a good story, only a series of best practices that dont always mix well together.
yess, this is a big rule i have for myself as someone who creates. i do not let myself try to remake things only because it was successful the first time. if i’m going to do anything, i have to do it bc i’m passionate about it and care about the actual thing, not the result i’ll get.
They ONLY care abou the story to tell how much money they got from their off-the-mill bullcrap
The fact that he has to apologize every so often for having an opinion says a lot about the state of the fandoms that surround these movies. It's kind of sad.
I agree everybody thinks there opinions are right and yours is wrong instead of just accepting that people like different styles of movies. I definitely disagree with people on movies but I’m not gonna talk shit to them cause I don’t agree. I love the new Batman movie but I understand not everybody likes a slower pace movie.
But its worse with breaking bad ; ) if i say something negative about that show the backlash is unreal
Yeah dude PewDiePie had like 73k dislikes for explaining why he doesn't like marvel but he still got around 400k likes.
@@dudenotsoperfect9366 that's a small fandom compared to the likes of superhero movies. I don't see how that's worse. Remember, MCU fans sent death threats to Scorcese and called him a racist after his opinion on superhero movies went viral lol.
@@ThisIsCool45 don't forget Russell and Olsen. MCU fans run them off social media completely as far as I know.
I feel like it's not worth going to the cinemas nowadays, cause it's basically either Superhero movies or a Disney movie. There're rarely any unique or different movies that are actually worth seeing, sometimes it's years between anything good.
I could hear Charlie rant about anything all day. He could talk about how he hates waiting in line for coffee and I’d still watch it.
I've been burned out for a while, and I was a comic geek growing up. It's just too much. I don't want to have to watch 30 movies and 10 TV shows to get everything going on. I want good stand alone movies more than a franchise. I want unique stories...not the same thing rehashed over and over and over again.
It's why I like DC unironically. A lot of Marvel fans don't understand I'm not looking for shit like The Batman to be in the DCEU let it do a trilogy and disappear
FR the last couple of marvel movies are so freaking mid I couldn't finish moon knight or the Wanda multiverse movie and I've been "die-hard" fan since iron man so seeing these movies feels like a shell of itself :/
Nowadays you have to do homework before watching a movie like KSI said for doctor strange, we got punished because we didn’t want to see wandavision
This is why Joker and logan to some extent was refreshing even though it was still part of a franchise it felt like it's own thing and they tried to do something different with it. I'm not necessarily over superhero movies i'm just over the exact same ones in these giant franchises with the same formulas. I want to see more smaller superhero movies where indies can be creative like chronicle. Giant hollywood studios are way too afraid of stepping into unknown territory at the risk of maybe losing money, they find what works and then over the course of 20 years they drive it into the ground, same shit happens with video games (ubisoft being the most obvious example).
" I want unique stories...not the same thing rehashed over and over and over again."
Tough shit, cause we've had the same shit rehashed over and over since the mid 90s. It's not really a super hero thing, it's just how movies are made. Once you know the formula it is extremely hard to enjoy movies afterwards... It's like how knowing a good bit about music makes most pop music damn near unlistenable.... It's the same shit over and over.. Same chords, same damn arpeggios and progressions. Hell, most of it is white keys only these days, cause why learn anything but Am and C?
The movie formula was perfected before 2000, and that's why everything after 2000 is just remakes and knockoffs. The only new thing to actually happen to movies after the 90s were high quality super hero movies. Now that's been run into the ground because innovation is hard. Once super hero movies go away, what we'll be left with are more stories you've heard a million times told according to the allmighty formula.
Event - bad turn - victory
for ever. 3 chapters, same story, mostly the same actors over and over.. Movies kinda suck.
A overwhelming majority of super hero movies have this formula: Good guys vs bad guys, good guys first plan fails, then good guys win.
The shonen formula
@@juliee593 except the up and coming shonens nowadays are trying different plot lines and making it interesting as hell. unlike marvel
@@juliee593 they change plot lines, story, and not making it generic (not all of them) making it so interesting such as hero school, overpowered bored guy (opm a good captain, and a genius scientist
Charlie really sleeping on how different The Batman was
The whole comedy thing in super hero movies lately feels overdone and forced.
@WF yes\
You are absolutely correct Moist Man, it’s become “Buy this product, get excited for the next product, and while you wait here’s MORE product” and the product is mediocre CGI dumpster fires pumped out on a factory conveyor belt.
They took what works and what people say they want and have run with that model for years with zero innovation and they keep alleviating the stakes by “infinite multiverses” giving them an excuse to replace their primary set of actors but it’s the same characters.
Watching these movies and shows in the moment with friends is fun, laugh and mock the bad ones, turn your brain off for the good ones and just enjoy it, but… it’s all too much now, there really is superhero fatigue
It’s like fast food. It’s enjoyable but there’s no fucking way I’m eating that shit three times a day.
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420 likes. Hell yeah
This rant goes well with a critical drinker voice
@@stressmanager8102 I hear it now…
This is exactly why I felt like The Batman was such an enjoyable movie. It broke out of the typical superhero movie formula that marvel has been recycling since Endgame (which is sad considering Moon Knight had a lot of potential before it was ruined). It was a very grounded movie with slow pacing that fit with the plot, and it still didn't compromise on humour with scenes like Penguin's interrogation by Batman and Gordon. Even characters that people found funny, like Paul Dano's Riddler, still felt menacing and demented and the humour didn't take away from them or make them silly in any way.
I was really hoping Love and Thunder would have a similar vibe and pacing, with an almost serial killer-like feel, having Thor (and company) investigate a series of god-killings trying to track down Gorr while being under the threat of getting killed himself, forcing him to be wary and more mature. Instead we got Gorr the Child Kidnapper and a bunch of mid-2000s movie humour. Such a waste of potential (and Christian Bale).
God I thought Batman was a snore fest would have been a good movie if it didn’t drag on for 3 fucking hours. Also this Batman has literally no emotion he is just in a constant state of brooding and zero emotion. Immediately fell in love with cat women also after like 2 sentences exchanged between them.
I agree. The new batman definitely was different and I enjoyed it. Much more surreal and gritty if you ask me. I loved it.
Comparing dc to marvel, or expecting the later to make movies with the same level of darkness and depth as the former is asking a bit much. While the later dc stuff has been a little brighter and the marvel stuff has attempted something a little darker, nether can pull off what the other does.
DC will always be a little bit more baroque than marvel can ever be.
*since Avengers 1
The Batman followed the same type of formula as Christopher Nolan's Batman movies, just with different actors and villains. I suppose if you're under age 20 and you've never seen the Nolan movies you could say it was original, but it really wasn't. Borrowed formula just like all the others.
Take me back to the days when superheroes had awesome theme music
“In the modern media age we are rarely surprised by what we see. Whether it's on television or film or in the theatre, everything is so advertised, so trailered, that most entertainment is merely what you thought it was going to be like”
-Roman Atkinson
I'm just tired of VFX artists/studios not getting compensated properly for their work on these shows more than anything
Are you in the industry or something?
@@GarseJanacek it's a bit of an open secret mate. Whatever profits the movie makes goes into the movie stars, etc. While the VFX artists get paid peanuts despite the fact without the VFX artists, the movie would suck. I'm not in the industry but these things are well known for anyone who's worked freelance in the US.
They’re paid handsomely.
@@faulkisfurious4457 the actors? Yes. The VFX artists? Nope and it's very well known at this point
The second he said “it’s like being asked to rate every single individual noodle in a bowl of spaghetti” I immediately stopped wiping my cheeks on the pooper and liked this video. He spoke up for a part of my sub conscious that even I didn’t know was buried away.
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@@Vaultboythefightingmachine nigga what
Glad to know I'm not the only one who picked this video whilst pooping
@@joshuanelson6699 how is/was it?
Without washing your hands? Ew.
5:38 exactly why I liked batman so much. It wasn’t a perfect movie by any means but I loved it because it was different. It was serious when I should be and didn’t push the very few humorous parts very much
I do agree but Kevin did say phase 4 was messy and he said he will keep this in mind for future phases
I think the Batman was the one exception for me. It was so different. It wasn’t jokey, it was serious and it’s not like a superhero movie has to be serious to be good but it makes it unique and refreshing. I don’t actually care about the shows. I’m just going to watch the few movies I want to watch. They’ve definitely degraded.
Shows* but yeah Get your point
I don’t care about the shoes either
@@SomeoneWeird-vx5jx yeah same man. Will walk barefoot from now on.
Too bad it was 3 hours.
I’d like to add the joker to that mix as well. But I feel ya
Movies like Logan and joker are amazing examples for movies that don’t always take the same route as what we’ve been recently overfed I have to agree with Charlie
Add The Batman in this too,or even the old The Dark Knight movies.
Joker was bad though
@@novustalks7525 i realy liked it
joker wasnt a superhero movie tho there was no super powers or heroes just taxi driver/king of comedy but replaced with the joker
Joker isn’t a superhero movie
Ive been saying this shit since the first avengers film, overhyped for no reason
I’m done with Mcu, I actually loved Blue Beetle one of my favorite characters in comics turned into a movie except that batman line was lame. But any other super hero movie mainly Marvel has just been boring for me.
Nah 2022
The batman Film was not a lame film
1:19 Hit me pretty hard. The fact that we live in a world where commentators have to put in that "this is my opinion and you can have a different opinion and that's okay" disclaimer before anything they say. I wish we lived in a society where that sort of statement was just self-obvious and people don't blow up at the slightest thing that differs (let alone challenges) from their point of view.
honestly though
It was always like that, saying you disagree with something popular in literally any time of story could make you suffer hate
guess what, about 10 years ago it was like you wish it was, but when they started sanitizing everything you didnt complaint so here we are.
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@@Ravix0fFourHorn People say shit like this but it's just not true, this is how it's always been. We just see It more because people giving their opinions are more. Even 3 decades ago people used to get pissed at Critics like Roger Eberts for his opinions.
I truly believe that being bought by Disney has imbued Marvel with a "too big to fail" attitude that has caused them to take the audience they had at their peak for granted; like, why should THEY have to apologize for pushing out a mediocre product?
I hope that Matt Reeves's "The Batman" really made a lot of people at Marvel question their marriage to the MCU. That movie is the type of movie that Marvel simply cannot make anymore. The MCU bars them from ever truly experimenting with their properties
imagine thinking "oh someone commented" and then it turns out just to be a bot :(
That was 100% Disney’s logic with buying Star Wars. They ruined everything but still made too much money to never care about it. “Somehow, palpating returned” tops the worst line I’ve ever heard in any movie.
Batman almost put me to sleep
@@MAGICCOFFEY sounds like you need some sleep
Classic Disney
And I'm tired of people saying this & yet watch the upcoming superhero shows/movies and complain all day as if they're bound to watch it.
He literally said that he enjoys watching the movie, they just don’t have the same whole effect. Watch the video before leaving stupid comments
When I watched the second doctor strange, I remember being so bored. The like lead character (the America multiverse crossing lady) had such a standard arc of not being able to control her power to miraculously doing it at the end because of finding meaning or whatever.
Dr. Strange’s arc was also plain, with him essentially getting the power to defeat Wanda using the power of love. It was just so dull to me.
Definitely agree, every marvel movie feels so formulaic that you know exactly what's gonna happen and when it happens. Thor love and thunder was so hard to watch at times with the never ending forced humour in the face of death, its so tiring. However The Batman was very enjoyable, probably the first superhero movie I've really enjoyed since Endgame. But yeah it feels like every single character in marvel is just a combination of Tony Stark and Deadpool now.
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people say this a lot "marvel is too formulaic" but honestly I don't see anything wrong with that? The MCU is clearly on a set path that's well thought out by that whole division or whoever tf makes the mcu. The characters are likable, they're pretty and well made movies? Like I really don't understand the criticism... Every time the internet loses their mind about how a marvel movie is "SOOOO BADD" I go and watch it and find out that its not that bad.
like consistently people overreact with marvel, captain marvel, watched it, it was an ok film
black widow, it was an OK film
hawkeye, was probably the worst of the bunch but was STILL ok, I still enjoyed it.
thor love and thunder was a GOOD movie.
ms marvel was obviously made for teenagers and it was pretty good, I enjoyed it.
and lastly, moon knight, I was told, was absolutely god awful and the cgi made people vomit.
that was a straight up fuckin lie, moon knight was fire, the actor was really good and the CGI dipped literally once on the first episode, the rest of the show it ranged from good to REALLY GOOD.
lack of direction is also the exact problem with the DC movies for me. These movies, They feel completely directionless, like they have no idea where they're going. I've seen batman v superman, both justice leagues, both suicide squads AND shazam AND wonderwoman. They all seemed completely directionless like they were all going in complete different directions.
@@thepopo592 nothing wrong with that, but it becomes more and more boring
@@thepopo592 I get what you're saying but a "well thought out path" is not the same as being formulaic. They're doing the same thing in every single movie, of course people get tired of it. It's like eating the same meal every day, only the meal aint steak or pizza but the slop that they feed to pigs. Thor was so disappointing to me, like the humor wasn't even funny. Chris Hemsworth is the only reason someone would want to watch that. There's no stakes either which makes the action lose all its value. And the romance was so forced and terrible. The script was a slap in the face to such talented actors, because they all have amazing depth but it was watered down in that movie. It's not that the movies are so bad to the point of repulsion, it's that they all are the same and have absolutely no depth to them. I tried so hard to just feel something during that movie but I just felt empty. Storytelling in general is very formulaic, it's about how the story is told that makes it worth seeing the same tropes.
Yeah moonknight was absolute fire, loved it. Loki series was also brilliant, but every superhero movie i see now is just the same, and Love and Thunder is a perfect example of that. And The Batman strayed from the norm and turned out out to be really enjoyable.
It’s like going to a restaurant with only steak on the menu. The steak is good and you like steak so you come in frequently But eventually you get tired of eating the same thing and want something else. You look around and see that because of how popular the steak is, other restaurants are also switching to making steak. Also because the cooks know you’re already addicted to steak they’ve started putting in less effort and taking shortcuts in making the steak so it doesn’t even taste as good. So there you are left with only steak and realizing you’re slowly starting to hate it.
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Oh man this explains it really well!
I demand that you not talk badly about steak! Steak is nothing like superhero stories...superhero stories are more like pooh! Don't eat pooh kids!
this is a brilliant analogy lol perfect.
@@WoodApe100 cringe af
I felt like this since 2011 or something, the only few movies/series that got me excited when it came to super hero movies were the Watchmen, Invincible, Man of Steel and few popular ones like the batman trilogy. I haven't watched the marvel stuff because it's just boring neither the Thanos series. I would love a take like the 2 I mentioned when it comes to super hero movies, we don't have enough of that.
Same, so bored of Marvel and DC, didn't watch End Game and End Game 2 (whatever the names were)
until years after release 😴
I thought The Batman was a nice change of pace, but I definitely agree that no Marvel or DC movie excites me anymore. I think it's also so severe and gas come on so quickly since most Marvel projects have been average or lower in terms of writing quality. It happened with westerns, it happened with war movies, and it's gonna happen with superhero movies, eventually interest will wane enough for them to leave the mainstream.
I liked the newest Batman because it wasn’t a “save the world from a massive threat” kind of movie, it’s Bruce Wayne dealing with the different experiences within Gotham. It felt very gritty and like characters had genuine impact on each other in a grounded world. Marvel characters just flit in and out of each other’s stories with ever higher stakes in a sterile, sparkly and marketable world.
it’s my favourite super hero movie ever. pretty much everything about it was great. compared to most marvel movies you see nowadays it was a breath of fresh air.
@@victoriatowns9237 Batman was great because he wasn’t a godlike, goofy superhero. He was a man who’d take hard hits and be affected by them. He had a very definable motive that didn’t leave him running around or traveling the universe aimlessly, he took his clues from his target, and followed the riddlers tracks, while also helping those he wants to help.
@@victoriatowns9237 I love how little the impact of these super apocalyptic events and stakes have on the world. I mean just look at "The Eternals" a giant celestial being twice the size of Earth appears, then dips and literally no one ever mentions this. In the Marvel world I guess its another Tuesday evening.
The Batman was possibly my favorite movie ever. But DC movies have excited me more for a long time. Marvel is just cringy now