What if the extrusion motor (when run in reverse) caused the stand to come out. That way you'd back off your glue stick AND get your stand out all with 1 motor?
Dave McAnulty if you can do it without a special gearing, awesome. I was thinking a transmission would be needed. Either way I support the idea of using one motor instead of two. (Turkey way, wtf phone)
No offense, but I really miss how the show used to be. I understand this series is supposed to be the whole process, but this entire project feels like it's really being drawn out too long. I really miss the fun variety of videos; namely projects like the arduino quadcopter, the raspberry mame portable, and the xbee text radio. The show feels somewhat like a big ad for element14, as apposed to a cool channel that is sponsored by element14.
I rather enjoy this format. I guess in the end, it comes down to what you want to get out of these videos. Whether you just want to see people make cool shit, or are interested in the engineering/problem solving aspect of it all.
i really agree with you Edward. the show as gone gray and dull as a spoon i rather go watch an old BHS episode than watching this.Tthey where at least entertaining even if i din't understand a thing about electronics at that time. i am so sorry
if the stand feature is making you completely redesign your product then maybe it's not a necessary feature. any decent soldering iron comes with a stand. i know it's ben heck it's over the top but come one theyre also talking about creating a marketable version of this.
Keep building that Autodesk Fusion model. Add in joints, contact points, and motion and keep the timeline in good shape as you rework features. You'll be much better served than from the hand sketches and be able to generate shop drawings to help fabrication. Unfortunately, it won't make for an interesting video, but the end product will be amazing.
Ooo, that's a really good point! If we have the drive motor farther from the hot end than the length of one glue stick, then that would be a problem. The motor would not be able to retract the active glue stick. Hmmm.
Hearing Karen and Ben argue for 10 minutes is getting really old. I get the idea is to show the design process, but this is getting really painful. Some episodes are just Ben and Karen arguing and there is zero electronics/design/etc.
The auto stand is cool but it is not manatory in my opinion. What i would like for a glue gun is one that get hot really fast because some times you just want to glue a little piece and you have to wait 5 minute or more to get it hot just for glueing two wire... In these cases i grab my lighter and melt the glue stick directly. Anyway good job ben heck's team you are close to something fonctional i think.
Why not just model out some angle brackets on the side of the glue-gun so you can lay it down on its side? That way it doesn't tip over and it's cheap and simple. I feel like you guys are really bikeshedding this stand problem.
avfusion That was my thought as well - all you need for a stable stand are three points of contact with the workbench, ideally spaced far apart for stability. The straight-up stand ideas in the video so far put two of the points really close together in front of the hot end, which seems like it would tip sideways at the slightest bump or pull on the cord. You could just put a ‘bump’ on the lower side of the barrel at the front, and mount a ‘kickstand’ on the same side that could flip out to form a tripod with the bottom of the handle as the third point of contact. The ‘kickstand’ could be actuated with a servo or even by gravity alone when tilting the gun.
What about the motor turning a screw which moves a nut soldered onto the rod so that the rod slides out when the motor runs forewords and slides in when the motor runs back words.
Why use two motors for the extrusion and stand extraction and retraction? How about a gearing that switches between the two? I can't think of a scenario where you'd need to move the stand and extrude glue at the same time.
There's a limit for that too. While using the gun, if one stick gets too short and it goes beyond the reach of the motor, let's say, 1 or 2 inches, it won't retract. The gun should have its Metal Gear(s) pretty close to the hot end. As in as close as possible. That or an Archimedes' screw.
You could have used a solenoid bolt type for the autostand, smaller than a motor. If you designed it right you could actually use a electromagnet coil around a metal pipe to heat the glue due to henry current, and use that same electromagnet to pull back the stand while powered.
Hey Ben and Co, I'd love to see the next major build being a SAP architecture computer, not too dissimilar from Ben Eater's classic breadboard computer. It would be a great learning experience for all and a good plug for element 14 for buying all the 74 series chips and other components.
Rather than for a stand, I would use this retracting mechanism for pushing the glue stick forward. Pushing it with a solid element would be much more reliable than clawing at it with a gear.
I do not want to be harsh but the build is getting too long. Earlier the show was like , what will Ben do next week and I would wait for next episode but now it is like never ending series. Looks like build have lost direction.
Note Those glue sticks are about twice as long as I find in my local hobby/craft shops. Unless you are going to pull a Keurig and make it so we can only buy YOUR DRM glue sticks. :)
You need three points of contact to make the stand work. It needs to have two legs coming out of the front somehow. Not just something sticking forward.
I really enjoy your videos, TBHS. I'm in stats/data-science/software-engineering and so I have no idea about hardware work, but the way you present: the problem; your ideas; your working; and your solution, is super engaging to watch! Thank you for your work, Max, Felix, Karen and Ben :)
You are making the stand too complicated. Just adjust the center of gravity over the handle and 3D print the handle to have feet to hold the gun at the desired angle.
I don't understand why people complain about this series... It's a normal project development time, I had projects wich took over 5 months, and they were the shorter ones
Good idea but not practical. You would need special glue stick that are not available anywhere. They design this glue gun so they can source every parts and keep the cost low.
The past two shows have not been good to watch. I like design and engineering problems, but it just feels like nothing is progressing and I totally lost interest at the start. normally I would stop what ever I am doing to watch, but in this case I looked up and it had finished.Sort these issues out of camera and come back with a good strong episode and finish it.
i dont like the design of this, i think instead of the glue sticks being crammed in between gears to feed it out that it would be better to have a compartment that slides out, holds the glue in, and is closed in to better feed the glue sticks out (think a caulking gun except its got a opening to throw the glue in). that or if the glue sticks dont stick together at room temperature, they could be fed via a "clip" applying pressure to the sticks with a spring or the other glue sticks onto a kind of treadmill or a series of hourglass shape gears/toothed rollers. though my second idea is probably prone to issues....
I believe I got in on a tee-a-day site, riptapparel.com. I don't think you can get it from there anymore, though. The design is called sigil of three. You might be able to find it on another site.
Please finish up this glue gun project and move on. Everyone has lost interest in this project many weeks ago. Nobody wants to watch a 15 part series on a glue gun.
Screw you guys its awesome seeing a product going from an idea to finished production ready product and seeing how they deal with problems they find along the way.
actually its quite nice taking your time on this and actually showing most of the steps and thought processes going into this. If you want condensed, fast.paced stuff youtube is already full of it.
Agreed. Same with "Ness". Are a few more syllables gonna kill ya? S N E S? or even Su-per Nin-ten-do? + mini of course... unless people start calling it the "Snesss M" M for mini. (Not W for wumbo).
Ben if this is about some shitty contract then drop it and start another channel. We will follow and support you.
Ben is like the shop puppy, chewing on everything.
What if the extrusion motor (when run in reverse) caused the stand to come out. That way you'd back off your glue stick AND get your stand out all with 1 motor?
Dave McAnulty if you can do it without a special gearing, awesome. I was thinking a transmission would be needed. Either way I support the idea of using one motor instead of two. (Turkey way, wtf phone)
you could use a ratcheting mechanism that only engaged when the motor was reversed.
actually I really like the "transmission"-idea.
Who would win? An entire channel built on the basis on modding consoles into compact or handicapable units vs. one hot gluey boi
if you move the motor back and use the short glue sticks then it wont be able to retract the glue stick because it will be too short
Yes especially if you have 2 glue sticks one behind the other and the motor is pushing on the 2nd one.
Stand out one side - stand it on its side rather than prone?
No offense, but I really miss how the show used to be. I understand this series is supposed to be the whole process, but this entire project feels like it's really being drawn out too long. I really miss the fun variety of videos; namely projects like the arduino quadcopter, the raspberry mame portable, and the xbee text radio. The show feels somewhat like a big ad for element14, as apposed to a cool channel that is sponsored by element14.
U feel the same. I want to see awesome inventive projects. A glue gun isn't that interesting
I rather enjoy this format. I guess in the end, it comes down to what you want to get out of these videos. Whether you just want to see people make cool shit, or are interested in the engineering/problem solving aspect of it all.
i really agree with you Edward. the show as gone gray and dull as a spoon i rather go watch an old BHS episode than watching this.Tthey where at least entertaining even if i din't understand a thing about electronics at that time. i am so sorry
Edward Wray i loved the old ones but i havent watched this since last year when u started this
if the stand feature is making you completely redesign your product then maybe it's not a necessary feature. any decent soldering iron comes with a stand. i know it's ben heck it's over the top but come one theyre also talking about creating a marketable version of this.
Keep building that Autodesk Fusion model. Add in joints, contact points, and motion and keep the timeline in good shape as you rework features. You'll be much better served than from the hand sketches and be able to generate shop drawings to help fabrication. Unfortunately, it won't make for an interesting video, but the end product will be amazing.
Another flaw in the current design: if you extrude from a second gluestick, you can not retract! Ma major feature for the super gluegun...
Ooo, that's a really good point! If we have the drive motor farther from the hot end than the length of one glue stick, then that would be a problem. The motor would not be able to retract the active glue stick. Hmmm.
Still won't when the back end of the glue stick gets past the gears of the motor.
I've heard of that technique before. Sounds like a really get practice to get into.
Hearing Karen and Ben argue for 10 minutes is getting really old. I get the idea is to show the design process, but this is getting really painful. Some episodes are just Ben and Karen arguing and there is zero electronics/design/etc.
The auto stand is cool but it is not manatory in my opinion. What i would like for a glue gun is one that get hot really fast because some times you just want to glue a little piece and you have to wait 5 minute or more to get it hot just for glueing two wire... In these cases i grab my lighter and melt the glue stick directly.
Anyway good job ben heck's team you are close to something fonctional i think.
ryobi 18v battery glue gun it heats quick and stands on its own
Why not just model out some angle brackets on the side of the glue-gun so you can lay it down on its side? That way it doesn't tip over and it's cheap and simple. I feel like you guys are really bikeshedding this stand problem.
avfusion That was my thought as well - all you need for a stable stand are three points of contact with the workbench, ideally spaced far apart for stability. The straight-up stand ideas in the video so far put two of the points really close together in front of the hot end, which seems like it would tip sideways at the slightest bump or pull on the cord. You could just put a ‘bump’ on the lower side of the barrel at the front, and mount a ‘kickstand’ on the same side that could flip out to form a tripod with the bottom of the handle as the third point of contact. The ‘kickstand’ could be actuated with a servo or even by gravity alone when tilting the gun.
What about the motor turning a screw which moves a nut soldered onto the rod so that the rod slides out when the motor runs forewords and slides in when the motor runs back words.
Could you not somehow use the extrusion motor, when it backs up a little on trigger release, have this back up motion push the stand forward
Why use two motors for the extrusion and stand extraction and retraction? How about a gearing that switches between the two? I can't think of a scenario where you'd need to move the stand and extrude glue at the same time.
That would be cool, but it could get real complicated and expensive to manufacture.
Also, they want(ed?) to retract the glue stick too avoid oozing.
If you move the motor back you cannot use the retrackt
There's a limit for that too. While using the gun, if one stick gets too short and it goes beyond the reach of the motor, let's say, 1 or 2 inches, it won't retract.
The gun should have its Metal Gear(s) pretty close to the hot end. As in as close as possible.
That or an Archimedes' screw.
You could have used a solenoid bolt type for the autostand, smaller than a motor. If you designed it right you could actually use a electromagnet coil around a metal pipe to heat the glue due to henry current, and use that same electromagnet to pull back the stand while powered.
Hey Ben and Co, I'd love to see the next major build being a SAP architecture computer, not too dissimilar from Ben Eater's classic breadboard computer. It would be a great learning experience for all and a good plug for element 14 for buying all the 74 series chips and other components.
How are you going to achieve a retraction if you are driving the second stick? It won't pull the stick in the melt zone.
Archimedes style screw around the stick that rotates and drives the stick forward?
5:14 Felix representing the audience right now
Rather than for a stand, I would use this retracting mechanism for pushing the glue stick forward. Pushing it with a solid element would be much more reliable than clawing at it with a gear.
I do not want to be harsh but the build is getting too long. Earlier the show was like , what will Ben do next week and I would wait for next episode but now it is like never ending series. Looks like build have lost direction.
the glue gun is like trying build a better mouse trap--lose it.
Note Those glue sticks are about twice as long as I find in my local hobby/craft shops. Unless you are going to pull a Keurig and make it so we can only buy YOUR DRM glue sticks. :)
You need three points of contact to make the stand work. It needs to have two legs coming out of the front somehow. Not just something sticking forward.
"You could put a gear of war in it" *stare* XD
I really enjoy your videos, TBHS. I'm in stats/data-science/software-engineering and so I have no idea about hardware work, but the way you present: the problem; your ideas; your working; and your solution, is super engaging to watch! Thank you for your work, Max, Felix, Karen and Ben :)
why i can't register in 14 elements is that because my country is not listed? thats sad
You are making the stand too complicated. Just adjust the center of gravity over the handle and 3D print the handle to have feet to hold the gun at the desired angle.
I don't understand why people complain about this series... It's a normal project development time, I had projects wich took over 5 months, and they were the shorter ones
This project was stared in 2013, I think 4+ years is a long time.
just finish it and find any other thing...
Why..10...series?..I dont understand..
Why do you need a motorized stand at all? Make it simple.
this is no longer funny
How about redesigning the glue stick itself. More like 3mm filament with cartridge system with smaller actuator and heating element.
Good idea but not practical. You would need special glue stick that are not available anywhere. They design this glue gun so they can source every parts and keep the cost low.
Yeah I know. It might not be right for them but I would be into a whole ecosystem that would have a fast flow and very accurate delivery system .
I actually enjoy the glue gun series still, everybody in the comments is just impatient.
Have you done a handheld GameCube yet?
The past two shows have not been good to watch. I like design and engineering problems, but it just feels like nothing is progressing and I totally lost interest at the start. normally I would stop what ever I am doing to watch, but in this case I looked up and it had finished.Sort these issues out of camera and come back with a good strong episode and finish it.
Did ave and that weird dude from the water jet channel influence you Ben?
Great work, but think your better off using metal gears in the servo 🤔
Why not put the handle really far forward and put tbe motor behind the handle
No mini glue sticks!!!!
yeah. even getting these in some countries is close to impossible
TheVergile I prefer the regular size ones because they come in extra long. Like 18 inch so when your really glueing your not reloading non stop
I use almost all mini since I'm doing fine work but could there be an issue with the size of the gun and the need for a larger hotter element?
ben you should try and do something cool with the internals of a psp ( PlayStation portable )
Why is ben looking like a founding father?
i dont like the design of this, i think instead of the glue sticks being crammed in between gears to feed it out that it would be better to have a compartment that slides out, holds the glue in, and is closed in to better feed the glue sticks out (think a caulking gun except its got a opening to throw the glue in). that or if the glue sticks dont stick together at room temperature, they could be fed via a "clip" applying pressure to the sticks with a spring or the other glue sticks onto a kind of treadmill or a series of hourglass shape gears/toothed rollers. though my second idea is probably prone to issues....
lol analyzing things with your teeth like a shark, ben
By rounding off the servo case you actually miss the great opportunity of making a glue gun that looks like Han Solo's blaster. Just saying....
9:55 Wait, so the glue gun is going to look like my old laser tag guns!? i.imgur.com/xZjb6gE.jpg
Karen where did you get that shirt? It's awesome and would go great with my Zelda shirt collection I seem to be amassing.
I believe I got in on a tee-a-day site, riptapparel.com. I don't think you can get it from there anymore, though. The design is called sigil of three. You might be able to find it on another site.
www.neatoshop.com/product/Triforceee?tag=102139
Cuz I wanted one too!
It needs RGB!
Just buy the Bosch gluepen and move on.
i agree Edward the show is a drag now to watch except sudo sargent
sudo sergeant stinks
Thumbs up for "nintendon't" sega commercial reference.
cant you tech us how to exstrakt informasjon from chipset's???
Karen pregnant?
Part 10?! Please move on to something else!
Please finish up this glue gun project and move on. Everyone has lost interest in this project many weeks ago. Nobody wants to watch a 15 part series on a glue gun.
Exactly, condense it and show the essentials over 5 parts at most.
Get over yourself. If you do not appreciate the process maybe you should be following another page.
Yeah I'm still very interested in the glue gun
Screw you guys its awesome seeing a product going from an idea to finished production ready product and seeing how they deal with problems they find along the way.
actually its quite nice taking your time on this and actually showing most of the steps and thought processes going into this. If you want condensed, fast.paced stuff youtube is already full of it.
emmmm background music maybe it's to quiet anything would do!
I love these design videos!
Great Video Series
14:42 So cringy hearing someone say snes as a word.
Agreed. Same with "Ness". Are a few more syllables gonna kill ya? S N E S? or even Su-per Nin-ten-do? + mini of course... unless people start calling it the "Snesss M" M for mini. (Not W for wumbo).
Move on. Nothing to see here, sadly.