@@stev3548 He also worked on the H&R SPIW which was pretty much a belt-fed assault rifle with a similar revolver cylinder to this gun. And yes it used it's own version of Trounds as ammo.
Tround is really the dumbest idea imaginable as explained by Ian. Ian sure doesnt understand geometry as much he does guns. Its not a "triangle" design cartridge, its a circular bullet with a triangle encasing. The Trounds triangle design does not save space, it just uses the empty space which is completely pointless. Because its restricted by the circular projectile. For getting as much mass as possible a triangle (thus a square or rectangle) is best for fitting within a magazine, but for encasing a circular bullet obviously a cylinder uses the least space. If you wanted to save space from the Tround you would cut the 3 corners making a cylinder. If the entire cartridge meaning even the slug and primer where triangular then it would save space. But since the bullet is circular then a circle is the smallest size geometry to encase the cartridge. A triangles add mass and certainly doesnt save space. I am boggled this idea made it this far......
The entire premise of "The Tround" can be proven wrong by the circle, triangle, and square baby toy where they drop the pieces thru the correct slot. I am really boggled nobody in the design team, engineering team, marketing team, product line and just friends/family never understood super simple geometry a pretty long list of animals like crows, dolphins, and monkeys can figure out.
This is amazing. You get many of the mechanical failures possible in a revolver, while still getting some of the failures possible in an autolader. You can't swap the magazine, and you can't reload with moon clips or speedloaders.
Would it be possible to develop a stripper clip to have a faster reload? Like the C96? Although with the triangular rounds it would probably be a real pain to use...
Well, the action is all controlled by the trigger so no need for a spring swap to cycle, and there's no exposed cylinder gap meaning holding it poorly won't result in cut fingers (though it's quite hard to do if you consider the thing's quite sizeable). Say "it has some of the positives of both mechanisms but this goes at a great cost in other aspects"
The design of the packaging and graphics are shockingly modern. You wouldn't even know this thing came from the 50s judging by that box. Truly ahead of its time lmao
I love the very 50's atompunk look of the whole thing. From the style of the revolver looking like some space blaster to the color of the box, the styling of the logo, and the styling of the ammo box.
the Maxim Silverman, Whitney Wolverine and the Dardick would fit nicely in a Atom Punk world, or game like Fallout. edit: the MPL, A Luty's SMG and the M2/Ingram model 6 would also work as early game guns.
That's what it reminded me of, I absolutely loved the guns in bioshock. It was a mixture of primitive and futuristic. Only game where I actually used every weapon equally and put out the extra effort to get the upgrades.
Reminds me more of how revolvers in Borderlands can have more than their normal number of shots because reasons, personally. I'd say I get where you're coming from, but I thought the revolver in Bioshock got a second cylinder, iirc.
@@AdarinMonkIn Bioshock 1, it’s just as you say. In Bioshock 2, the extra ammo upgrade for the pistol takes the form of a goofy ahh rectangular box extending at a 45° angle from the cylinder. It looks exactly as insane as it sounds.
@@aiayou Loading live rounds into a chamber in any orientation is unsafe. Fortunately this gun makes it impossible for a round to be chambered with the latch open save for shoving the round directly into the cylinder side so the demonstration is pretty safe. See how the follower is out of the magazine entirely when the latch opens, and how Ian avoids pushing the round too far in? The way this gun is designed basically requires you to load the magazine and close the latch before a round can be chambered, and the rounds only stay there after they catch the tab on the left side
This is amazing, to see one of these; I read a Sci-fi novel where the hero had a "Darrick." He later met an gunsmith who called it by the correct name, and he described it as a "revolving automatic, or an automatic revolver, a handy thing for mystery novelists who can't tell the difference." The book is called "Tom Paine Maru."
4:10 Okay, I'm adding "Celanese Fortiflex" to my list of "silly names to use in my D&D games". That the sort of name that demands a nice hat, and a grand mustache!
Yeah. Rumor has is that the original script of the _Rocky Horror Picture Show_ calls for Riff Raff to use this to kill Dr. Frank. "I'm your new commander, you now are my prisoner!"
I'm guessing they're "triangles" of constant width. It's an easily-defined (mathematically speaking) shape that behaves like a triangle for some purposes, but has rounded edges that won't dig into your fingers if it's a pencil or jam in the magazine if it's a tround.
You're right. I remember seeing an article many years ago with some designs for a machine gun based on belt-fed trounds. I think it was on Guns magazine, around mid-80's. At the time I thought this was how guns would work in the future...
I dont know about that. Its surely forgotten, but internals if updated to 21st century, using common ammunition like 9mm and in short bullpup configuration this would be ideal to get around Finnish gun regulation where owning a handgun requires absolutely ridiculous amounts of hoop jumping and same apply to all semi-automatic guns. Essentially government is trying to little by little kill any and all private gun ownership in the country, being afraid people will riot due their corruption and out right treason, like among other things turning electric, road, railroad networks into private companies and then selling them to foreign corporations, not to mention selling Finnish clean water table to also for foreign corporations. Plus hellawa lot unneeded taxes that are then poured into private companies as government aid money, what usually are owned by politician or their close family members, most recent ones being those immigration centers and of course trowing public money towards EU to gain high paying seat in EU...
It's always funny to hear Ian say "I've been wanting to do a video on this one for a while" while I'm like "I had no idea this gun even existed until you did a video on it." Makes me wonder what other guns he's been eyeing that plenty of us don't even know exist.
@@MrTheta-lc8zy -I don't recall, it was a long time ago.- Scratch that, I was able to find two separate videos showing off the system: ua-cam.com/video/MTh0EMAH99A/v-deo.html , and ua-cam.com/video/wT9CH-Eh-MM/v-deo.html . They are both seemingly ripped off of low quality VHS recordings, but there's enough to get a good idea of how they function.
I didn't grow up around guns, but I always found them interesting and always tried to figure out how machines worked, so when I tried to figure out how a semiautomatic pistol worked with pure speculation and no actual firsthand experience in the matter, what I came up with was actually very similar to this.
Cody Painter I actually designed something I called the “assault pistol”. Looks like a Halo Magnum in silhouette but a bit smaller, and the guide rod roughly alined with the center of the grip.
we could probably make a .22LR version using 3D printed case adapters easily today. Buy adapters or print your own. gun will cost probably 3k, printing a single adapter takes an hour or two.
There should have been a Dardick-Fosbery semi-automatic magazine-fed revolver. More seriously, this looks like with a bit of effort it could be developed into a useful design. Both the aluminum cover and steel body appear excessively large for what they need to do, and a simplified firing system may also be possible. Modern polymers and fabrication might allow for smaller trounds as well. Finally, incorporate a detachable magazine, and you could have an extremely accurate gun that would be an incredible optic / silencer host.
@@chickenphirm8968 I don't think it's his one - if you watch the videos together, the scratches/marks look different, and also lifesizepotato had a 2nd barrel
I legitimately wish someone made repros of these, the Dardicks were so wacky but such interesting guns. Honestly with modern polymers and 3D printing this concept might be worth taking a look at.
40 years ago, I was introduced to a friend of a friend. We were talking guns when he went into his closet and pulled out a bag full of pistols. He had colt peace makers, early 1911s lugers, Walthers, Schofields and then he pulled out one of these! I had only seen one in books, I never thought I would see or hold one!
I remember seeing someone shooting this odd little thing when I was a wee lad. I think hi name was Commander Cody and His Lost Planet Airmen. That is what you get when you put a Gyrojet pistol and a 1911 in the same vault for too long.
If I remember correctly, someone mentioned in a review of their Dardick that someone had figured out the cartridge dimensions and had cartridge cases made out of modern polymer. They were supposedly semi-reliable, and dirt cheap to make...just lacking in the durability department. So at least there’s that.
@@halweiss8671 Maybe? If you wanna check out the review, its by LifeSizePotato. He's also got other good ones, like on some rarer HK pistols and the PX4.
I have actually seen one of these for sale, back in the early 60’s. Like so many things of that era, its main appeal was that it was different. Interesting video.
Not gonna lie, the Logo design and box design is really stylish. And the rounds itself really fancy looking. Never heard about this type of experiment. Amazing video.
Celanese still exist as a speciality polymer company. I couldn't find out anything about Fortiflex, so maybe they don't make that any more or it is called something else. They do make a product called Forflex (I don't think they are the same) which seems to be mostly an EVA (Ethylenevinylacetate), this is the stuff Crocs and similar are made of.
"Hello, I am interested in a 1950s hairdryer-shaped magazine fed revolver with triangular ammunition that looks like it came from the movie 'Forbiden Planet'." "Right this way, sir."
Whoever was doing the graphical design work for the branding and designs on the boxes was pretty on point, it's not extremely detailed but there's a good choice of color, font, and stylings going on.
Marketing Manager: Boys, We need a new slick name for our triangular rounds! Janitor: How about..... um...... Trounds.......? Marketing Manager: Hire this man immediately!
I noticed that too. I'm thinking maybe it was deliberate, like Rock Island didn't wan't people loading live rounds (or trounds either for that matter) into guns at their auction house.
Been reading/hearing about the Dardick for a long time, thank you for some good detailed info, Ian! But what intrigues me most is the info you mention early--around the 1 minute mark--that the revolver was made to support the machine gun development. Now, THAT seems like it might be interesting to learn about. I'm guessing that with so few revolvers sold, the "real" project didn't go very far? Clearly we don't have tround firing machine guns. Was there any work/development done towards that idea? Thank you for another excellent episode!
I’ve actually shot one of these It had been modified and repaired with some milled brass parts and adapter and a steel 22 Barrel liner One thing I would like to note is all you have to do is handle one to see why it was a Failure it feels very cheap like a toy Cap gun
If you actually held one and fired one you wouldn't think it was a cap gun or cheap toy.... It's actually quite heavy. It's made of steel and aluminum and is thick in quite a few areas..
Weight doesn’t Indicate quality It’s poorly made Compared to the S&Ws and colts that were at Available at the time for half the price Cap guns of the 50s were also made of cast zinc Aluminum or magnesium
@@mrfluffytailthethird point being it's made fine just the idea is poor. Weight indicates quality in alot of cases. This not being zinc or magnesium counts out the cap gun nonsense and the little kicker trounds this gun fires off also isn t comparable. The firing mechanism barrel and trigger system is actually very well made. I'm just speculating that your comment is overexagerated.
This is why I love your channel, loving guns not for the fact that they are guns but how the work and their functions. So interesting to see others ideas.
A somewhat similar concept was actually put into practice earlier in the Soviet ShKAS aircraft machine gun. It uses a cylindrical, revolving feed case that incrementally pulls each cartridge out of its belt link as it travels around in a circle. This makes for a smooth delinking process and a strong and even belt pull, allowing the gun to fire at a pretty blistering 1800 RPM while using long belts without too much trouble. Apparently there was even a version that went all the way up to 3000 RPM, but that was quickly obsoleted by larger-calibre cannons that emerged around the same time.
A great companion piece for your Gyrojet pistol. Looks like you could easily load a round, oops, "tround" in backwards, but it would just cycle through the action and be ejected.
A few manufacturers came up with funky case designs to try and work round the rollin white patent for bored through cylinders owned by S&W,teat fire anyone ?
Imagine going up to the gun counter like "Hey yea could I get 2 boxes of trounds?" **Gun shop owner snickers** "Um I'm sorry can you repeat that?" -- "Must I?"
"Okay sir we like your gun, it really has potential and the high capacity has us interested. Now what did you say you call these new bullets?" "Trounds" "...okay never mind we're cancelling the contract. Get out."
I had a buddy that I took shooting and he loaded a magazine for my M1 Carbine while I was in the bathroom. I came back and realized he had loaded the entire magazine backwards and did not understand why it would not chamber.
I picked up a tround for one of these about 10 plus years ago for my cartridge collection, it is one of those things you take a look at and seriously wonder how no one said in a board meeting "This is a bad idea".
I first learned about the Dardick guns in the novel "The Dogs of War" by Frederick Forsyth. In the novel a gang of mercenaries turns to an arms dealer to procure guns for a coup in a small country in Africa. He can offer them mostly older weapons such as MP38/40 and such. And Dardick revolvers. The mercenaries are skeptical, having heard about the ridicelous triangular cartridges, but he convinces them that they will work just fine, and they do. So in the novel the Dardick revolver was well known and produced in large enough numbers that they could procure enough for a small army. It seems they had bought pretty much all that had been produced, since no one else wanted them. Unfortunately, the Dardick revolvers did not feature in the movie based on the book. Most of the weapons were substituted by Uzis and Ingram MAC10s dressed up to look like Uzis. Though the main protagonist does wield an unusal revolving weapon, a 26.5" Manville Machine Projector. This sounds like fodder for a Movie/novel special at the range.
Fully automatic, semi automatic News companies; fully semi-automatic Some random guy on the internet; Semi semi automatic Me; gets joke but face Palms anyway
I'm very good friends with the Dardick family, I've seen this gun as well as all the attachments for it. Obviously not a very functional weapon, but like you said, it's only a housing unit. The real invention was the action and the tround and from what I have seen from their current projects, they were on the right track in the 50's
Surprised nobody's mentioned it, but that is a tround going into the chamber BACKWARDS at 7:18 ... I could see that being an issue, but easily addressed! Let's 3d print some modern trounds with arrows a la "this way toward enemy"!
Imagine having to disassemble this with a drill sergeant yelling at you while insulting your mom? Using loud, colorful language 6 inches from your face..
Amazing video as usual. What amuse me alot is that precisely the day before you published this video, someone posted a picture from the simpsons, showing someone loading a magazine into a traditionnal-looking revolver (not a group about guns, BTW, it was just for laughs). And I said "Well there's Ian on UA-cam, if such a thing ever existed, even as a prototype, he'll show it eventually". And you delivers. Quite an amusing coincidence :)
@@ChristofUK That might very well, be, I just remembered that the BK-27 was also a Revolvercanon and that it makes a hell of a lot sense why this would be used for high firerate automatic weapons.
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David Dardick could have invented a belt-fed revolver but the world wasn't ready for that
Haha auto belt fed revolver go brrrrrrrrrrr
“Revolver-Cannons. *Belt-Fed Revolver-Cannons.”*
Sam had a pair of these, and he was fond of warming them up…
He did actually. The point of the tround system was to be an aircraft belt fed gun, the handgun was just to raise capital
Ye
@@stev3548 He also worked on the H&R SPIW which was pretty much a belt-fed assault rifle with a similar revolver cylinder to this gun. And yes it used it's own version of Trounds as ammo.
Friday. "flintlock machine gun" Tuesday. "magazine fed revolver"
And Webley semi-automatic revolver. Where is this gun world going? =)P
The next should be belt-fed bolt action rifle
what next, a three round bullpup anti-tank rifle feeding from a helical magazine?
A Very Disappointed Red Engineer I’d want to see a weapon like that.
@@DissedRedEngie That sounds like something from a Cyberpunk or even Dieselpunk story.
Ian:" and he called them......"
Me: don't, please don't
Ian: "Trounds"
Me: Goddammit
Goddammit
Goddammit
Goddammit
Goddammit
Goddammit
"I know what you're thinking, 'Did he fire fifteen trounds, or only fourteen?'"
" I tink 'twas tree fiddy"
U feeling lucky punk
He says shots not rounds... So the trounds dirty harry joke wasn't as clever as u thought.
@@nt-hd5fo this make you feel special....huh did it..you feel all smart and shit huh...mook 😒
This comment is severely underrated.
”THE TROUNDS ARE NESTING” sounds like something someone would say in a weird sci-fi movie
That's an entire plot device, copywrite that schmitt or something.
I think I saw that happen on the Discovery Channel once...
A few moments later some slimy disgusting man eating aliens crawl out of slimy, soft translucent eggs.
You dare mock the proud Trounds?!?
@@secretbaguette *copyright
It sounded like Ian died a little when he said, "tround."
Yeah I died a bit when I saw him die a bit. Pretty bad.
Tround is really the dumbest idea imaginable as explained by Ian. Ian sure doesnt understand geometry as much he does guns. Its not a "triangle" design cartridge, its a circular bullet with a triangle encasing.
The Trounds triangle design does not save space, it just uses the empty space which is completely pointless. Because its restricted by the circular projectile. For getting as much mass as possible a triangle (thus a square or rectangle) is best for fitting within a magazine, but for encasing a circular bullet obviously a cylinder uses the least space. If you wanted to save space from the Tround you would cut the 3 corners making a cylinder.
If the entire cartridge meaning even the slug and primer where triangular then it would save space. But since the bullet is circular then a circle is the smallest size geometry to encase the cartridge. A triangles add mass and certainly doesnt save space. I am boggled this idea made it this far......
The entire premise of "The Tround" can be proven wrong by the circle, triangle, and square baby toy where they drop the pieces thru the correct slot. I am really boggled nobody in the design team, engineering team, marketing team, product line and just friends/family never understood super simple geometry a pretty long list of animals like crows, dolphins, and monkeys can figure out.
@@phillylove7290 the cross section is a Reuleaux triangle, which means it keeps the same width wherever you measure
@@CocoTehQuila Yes which makes the design even worse....
This is amazing. You get many of the mechanical failures possible in a revolver, while still getting some of the failures possible in an autolader. You can't swap the magazine, and you can't reload with moon clips or speedloaders.
The worst of both worlds! What a pistol.
i would thumb up this comment, but its appropriately at 357 so i can't
@Pidalin I am surprised that this gun wasn't featured in Fallout 4...
Would it be possible to develop a stripper clip to have a faster reload? Like the C96? Although with the triangular rounds it would probably be a real pain to use...
@@CranialMalfunctionI have good news for you. There's a mod for this very gun
The Dardick - For when you can't decide between an auto pistol or a revolver and want the disadvantages of both!
RavingRaptor plus a non removable magazine!
@@karlasmith What it really needs is a stripper clip slot and a magazine disconnect.
The Dardick- because you watched too much Buck Rogers as a kid.
Well, the action is all controlled by the trigger so no need for a spring swap to cycle, and there's no exposed cylinder gap meaning holding it poorly won't result in cut fingers (though it's quite hard to do if you consider the thing's quite sizeable).
Say "it has some of the positives of both mechanisms but this goes at a great cost in other aspects"
Ian Bruene that’s what the M14 has
This feels like a borderlands weapon, even the round being called tround.
I was thinking of the revolver in bioshock actually
It looks like a Torgue gun with a Jakobs barrel and grip lol
It looks like the drang from destiny 2
@@linkthesloth2867 it is the drang from destiny 2
If it took more than one tround you weren't using a dardick
The design of the packaging and graphics are shockingly modern. You wouldn't even know this thing came from the 50s judging by that box. Truly ahead of its time lmao
I was thinking the same thing. The box looks super modern. I thought it was some weird gunsmith from a few years ago or something.
Agreed, I quite like it. The packaging, that is. The gun is horrible. 😅😂
It's like the rotary engine of guns.
The trounds Remind me more of a wankel engine
way better? more horsepower? or more points of failure?
@@JRockySchmidt More points of falure? It thought it has fewer moving parts.
Ending up being a commercial flop and only liked by specific enthusiasts?
@@AakeTraak less moving parts but a need for tighter tolerances
I love the very 50's atompunk look of the whole thing. From the style of the revolver looking like some space blaster to the color of the box, the styling of the logo, and the styling of the ammo box.
it was made from that time, it was the look
If you haven't already, check out the Whitney Wolverine.
This would fit perfectly in a Fallout game.
the Maxim Silverman, Whitney Wolverine and the Dardick would fit nicely in a Atom Punk world, or game like Fallout.
edit: the MPL, A Luty's SMG and the M2/Ingram model 6 would also work as early game guns.
The box is *wonderful*.
So the 'Forgotten Weapons' logo was a real gun after all.
Mossy500A Pretty sure it was the OSS Flying Dragon: ua-cam.com/video/E0R8FHpGQis/v-deo.html
@@mrb692 I just googled the flying dragon and noticed that the daily stormer did an article about it using Ian's video. I wonder if he knows...?
The logo is not a Dardick
@@mrb692 yeah the look the same
@@Baby4HeadAutographer No, Ian was in Seattle then.
I swear to god this is like a bioshock revolver upgraded with increased capacity brought to life.
That's what it reminded me of, I absolutely loved the guns in bioshock. It was a mixture of primitive and futuristic. Only game where I actually used every weapon equally and put out the extra effort to get the upgrades.
Reminds me more of how revolvers in Borderlands can have more than their normal number of shots because reasons, personally.
I'd say I get where you're coming from, but I thought the revolver in Bioshock got a second cylinder, iirc.
@@AdarinMonkIn Bioshock 1, it’s just as you say. In Bioshock 2, the extra ammo upgrade for the pistol takes the form of a goofy ahh rectangular box extending at a 45° angle from the cylinder. It looks exactly as insane as it sounds.
@@bruhman5829I don't recall there being an actual pistol in Bioshock 2 since the standard pistol was replaced by a Rivet Gun.
Sees title - “ man that’s the dumbest idea I’ve ever heard of”
5minutes later - “ WOW! What a ingenious piece of engineering!”
7:20 accidentally showing another problem with this design - you can easily load the cartridges backwards
He got confused. I don't blame him.
@@codyopperman5930 I'm quite sure he did it on purpose for safety reasons.
I too am sure it was a safety thing, playing with live rounds with a weird gun when making a video is a bad idea.
@@aiayou That's what I was thinking. I'd imagine the first thing a guy might want to do on acquiring one is to make up some 3D printed dummy rounds.
@@aiayou Loading live rounds into a chamber in any orientation is unsafe. Fortunately this gun makes it impossible for a round to be chambered with the latch open save for shoving the round directly into the cylinder side so the demonstration is pretty safe. See how the follower is out of the magazine entirely when the latch opens, and how Ian avoids pushing the round too far in? The way this gun is designed basically requires you to load the magazine and close the latch before a round can be chambered, and the rounds only stay there after they catch the tab on the left side
Ian McCollum: Unicorn Hunter
@@SpeedRacer-pz9jn Unicorn fondler
@@m.b.82 what
This is amazing, to see one of these; I read a Sci-fi novel where the hero had a "Darrick." He later met an gunsmith who called it by the correct name, and he described it as a "revolving automatic, or an automatic revolver, a handy thing for mystery novelists who can't tell the difference." The book is called "Tom Paine Maru."
Thanks i like to read
4:10 Okay, I'm adding "Celanese Fortiflex" to my list of "silly names to use in my D&D games". That the sort of name that demands a nice hat, and a grand mustache!
My friends like plenty of gunplay in their D&D eras. That might as well be the name of an elfin polymer they use in an early wondernine.
A similar name selection process, cued by a spam email from a Mexican pharmacy, led to the creation of Dr. Zazox Wazoxazole, alien mad scientist.
It sounds like some complicated exercise machine... Prolly has lots of cables and straps!
That... Sounds like Ian...
It was a polyethylene plastic, similar to that used for "Melmac" dishware.
honestly, the outside of that box alone is artistic enough to be interesting.
I love their logo its so cute
Flash Gordon’s slug thrower to go with his ray gun.
I was thinking Buck Rogers, in the 21st century of course
Mark Chatman Buck Rogers works also.
Sure! When the other guys have shield belts, it's time for the Dardick!
Which sounds really dirty. :P
When you get shot with this thing, you get *trounced.*
You are ducked if you get shot with the dardick.
Ba-dump-bump....
That joke was extremely funny
Trounded
This had me down on the tround laughing.
This gun is basically screams "I want to be in a 50s Sci-Fi movie!!!“
Depends are you the hero if not 50 50 odds you die depending on what genre
What era movie would you find a Zip 22 in? :) :) :)
Yeah. Rumor has is that the original script of the _Rocky Horror Picture Show_ calls for Riff Raff to use this to kill Dr. Frank. "I'm your new commander, you now are my prisoner!"
looks easy to tear down and maintain...pity it didnt take
I’m now disappointed that it wasn’t in Fallout
words i never thought i would see together, "magazine-fed revolver"
Has anyone here notice the shape of the "Trounds", look exactly like the pencil grips from the late 90's?
I'm guessing they're "triangles" of constant width. It's an easily-defined (mathematically speaking) shape that behaves like a triangle for some purposes, but has rounded edges that won't dig into your fingers if it's a pencil or jam in the magazine if it's a tround.
@@PandoraSystem like a wankel motor
Finally a revolver that fires hi-chew.
HAAAAAAAAH
The Dardick Trounds were actually used in Navy testing. I've got a dummy loaded .50 Cal tround.
How’d they do?
@@samiamrg7 I mean
we've been using 50 BMG nonstop for 100 years
You're right. I remember seeing an article many years ago with some designs for a machine gun based on belt-fed trounds. I think it was on Guns magazine, around mid-80's. At the time I thought this was how guns would work in the future...
Now there's a proper forgotten weapon. And for good reasons.
yes but eunice.
No
I dont know about that. Its surely forgotten, but internals if updated to 21st century, using common ammunition like 9mm and in short bullpup configuration this would be ideal to get around Finnish gun regulation where owning a handgun requires absolutely ridiculous amounts of hoop jumping and same apply to all semi-automatic guns. Essentially government is trying to little by little kill any and all private gun ownership in the country, being afraid people will riot due their corruption and out right treason, like among other things turning electric, road, railroad networks into private companies and then selling them to foreign corporations, not to mention selling Finnish clean water table to also for foreign corporations. Plus hellawa lot unneeded taxes that are then poured into private companies as government aid money, what usually are owned by politician or their close family members, most recent ones being those immigration centers and of course trowing public money towards EU to gain high paying seat in EU...
This gun is so gloriously 1950's, right down to the logo and the box. I love it.
Love the short pause after "trounds" so we could all really let that sink in.
We need to see a 2-Gun Action challenge pitting the Dardick against the Gyrojet
The100thAttempt the fact this is already a thing both shouldn’t have surprised me and completely astounded me. God damn it do I love the internet
This is pure beauty...I'm not crying...whose crying *blows nose*
I feel that they should have combined their concepts into a triangle rocket bullet firing magazine revolver... They could've called it the Gyrodick
I call winner! I just got a Zip 22...
It's always funny to hear Ian say "I've been wanting to do a video on this one for a while" while I'm like "I had no idea this gun even existed until you did a video on it." Makes me wonder what other guns he's been eyeing that plenty of us don't even know exist.
Celanese Fortiflex sounds like a character in a new Star Wars franchise...
To me it sounds more like a crappy cereal.
Can't it be both?
Flex-tape in 30 years.
@MooresGroup
Who shot first?
Han Solo or Celanese Fortiflex?
And this gun looks like something from Star Wars
There's a video on UA-cam of a machine gun using this feed system, and let me tell you, it's much more effective as a machine gun than a revolver.
What’s that video called?
@@MrTheta-lc8zy -I don't recall, it was a long time ago.- Scratch that, I was able to find two separate videos showing off the system: ua-cam.com/video/MTh0EMAH99A/v-deo.html , and ua-cam.com/video/wT9CH-Eh-MM/v-deo.html .
They are both seemingly ripped off of low quality VHS recordings, but there's enough to get a good idea of how they function.
@@the_real_Kurt_Yarish awesome! thanks!
@@MrTheta-lc8zy Glad to help!
@@the_real_Kurt_Yarish real one alert
Never thought they’d make the simpsons magazine fed revolver a real thing
Wow, The Simpsons "predicted" the mag fed revolver thing (lol jk).
@@farhanrizkiahnafa7404mag revolver invented the Simpsons?
@@manuelferreira4345 Chicken and the Egg? Or the man and the Butterfly, who is dreaming who?
1:57 "...and he called them 'trounds',.." * pause for groans.
I didn't grow up around guns, but I always found them interesting and always tried to figure out how machines worked, so when I tried to figure out how a semiautomatic pistol worked with pure speculation and no actual firsthand experience in the matter, what I came up with was actually very similar to this.
Is this the long fabled assault revolver? Also I don’t care how impractical it is I want one, badly
Cody Painter I actually designed something I called the “assault pistol”. Looks like a Halo Magnum in silhouette but a bit smaller, and the guide rod roughly alined with the center of the grip.
Imperial Shocktrooper funny comment
we could probably make a .22LR version using 3D printed case adapters easily today. Buy adapters or print your own.
gun will cost probably 3k, printing a single adapter takes an hour or two.
Magazine fed, high capacity assault cilinder with 500 round assault clips
@Jimm Crowe tis a fucking joke my man.
I know its got plenty of disadvantages compared to most other pistols, but I sincerely love the look and design of this gun. It's just so cool!
This is actualy smart mechanism, imagine this on a shotgun. Imagine how much recoil it would have, It would be shotgun minnigun.
You're saying the recoil would be less?
@@kirkcavenaugh758 No, the imagine recoil on a minnigun and combine it with a shotgun.
Its really big. So im saying that recoil would be enormous.
@@tomaskanka6223 Shotgun shells really don't have that much recoil considering the size.
@@tomaskanka6223 revolving and auto/semiauto shotguns exist, the minigun comparison doesn't make much sense.
Helooooo, space program.
1:57 the silence, I think, indicates the distain Ian feels for the term ‘trounds’
There should have been a Dardick-Fosbery semi-automatic magazine-fed revolver.
More seriously, this looks like with a bit of effort it could be developed into a useful design. Both the aluminum cover and steel body appear excessively large for what they need to do, and a simplified firing system may also be possible. Modern polymers and fabrication might allow for smaller trounds as well. Finally, incorporate a detachable magazine, and you could have an extremely accurate gun that would be an incredible optic / silencer host.
A good concept
Also, Fosbery-Dardick sounds like the last-name of a steampunk character
That would have been so cool
I've been waiting for this one! Shoutout to LifeSizePotato.
do we know if he's still alive?
yeah is he still utube active he hasnt made a vid in almost a year and half i believe
Shit, just saw this comment before posting the same thing lol
@Jurassic Pork interesting, he's still active on Reddit though so maybe he's downsizing?
@@chickenphirm8968 I don't think it's his one - if you watch the videos together, the scratches/marks look different, and also lifesizepotato had a 2nd barrel
I legitimately wish someone made repros of these, the Dardicks were so wacky but such interesting guns. Honestly with modern polymers and 3D printing this concept might be worth taking a look at.
40 years ago, I was introduced to a friend of a friend. We were talking guns when he went into his closet and pulled out a bag full of pistols. He had colt peace makers, early 1911s lugers, Walthers, Schofields and then he pulled out one of these! I had only seen one in books, I never thought I would see or hold one!
I remember seeing someone shooting this odd little thing when I was a wee lad. I think hi name was Commander Cody and His Lost Planet Airmen. That is what you get when you put a Gyrojet pistol and a 1911 in the same vault for too long.
Why am I imagining Commander Cody from Star Wars stuck on EDN III with this gun?
If a Gyrojet and a Mars had a child, it would look like this Dardick.
Actually it's nothing at all like a 1911.
#securecontainprotect
If I remember correctly, someone mentioned in a review of their Dardick that someone had figured out the cartridge dimensions and had cartridge cases made out of modern polymer. They were supposedly semi-reliable, and dirt cheap to make...just lacking in the durability department. So at least there’s that.
A fully loaded one would weigh a little less than with brass rounds, wouldn’t it?
@@halweiss8671 Maybe? If you wanna check out the review, its by LifeSizePotato. He's also got other good ones, like on some rarer HK pistols and the PX4.
@@jaxxons11 thanks for the recommendation.
I have actually seen one of these for sale, back in the early 60’s. Like so many things of that era, its main appeal was that it was different. Interesting video.
Seeing this in Fallout London this week gave me whiplash
Not gonna lie, the Logo design and box design is really stylish. And the rounds itself really fancy looking. Never heard about this type of experiment. Amazing video.
Celanese still exist as a speciality polymer company. I couldn't find out anything about Fortiflex, so maybe they don't make that any more or it is called something else. They do make a product called Forflex (I don't think they are the same) which seems to be mostly an EVA (Ethylenevinylacetate), this is the stuff Crocs and similar are made of.
Combine this with a Webley-Fosbery and you've got yourself an automatic, magazine-fed revolver!
then make it full auto
@@evanwickstrom5698 and put carbine conversion handguard and stick holster
@@thesturm8686 while we're all still here it needs a massive scope for that epic MLG
That case looks ripped straight from a pencil-holder I used to have to grip my pencils better.
they still make those
That profile picture. Seems familiar..
@@MrMinatoArisato00 it's the logo for Ooarai in Girl Und Panzer
Panzer Vor!
@@MrMinatoArisato00 Yep, I use it just because I thought it was fun to. I really don't have any other thing to use as a pf :wink:
"Hello, I am interested in a 1950s hairdryer-shaped magazine fed revolver with triangular ammunition that looks like it came from the movie 'Forbiden Planet'."
"Right this way, sir."
Family guy?
Whoever was doing the graphical design work for the branding and designs on the boxes was pretty on point, it's not extremely detailed but there's a good choice of color, font, and stylings going on.
I never thought I would hear the words “Magazine” and “Revolver” in the same sentence.
edit: I stand corrected
I agree. Some of the weapons,well actually a lot of the weapons Ian has featured just make my jaw drop.
"Revolvers usually don't use magazines." See, they can be in the same sentence without much problems 😁
Reminiscent of the automatic revolver Webley Fosbury.
I read about a revolver in a gun magazine.
Technically, all revolvers have magazines. They're just internal, rotary magazines. What I want to see next is a bolt-action flintlock.
Marketing Manager: Boys, We need a new slick name for our triangular rounds!
Janitor: How about..... um...... Trounds.......?
Marketing Manager: Hire this man immediately!
Modern Marketing Manager: Give this guy $20 and a fifth of bourbon and have him sign an NDA.
Ian had an H&K USP moment when demonstrating the loading, put the cartridge in backwards.
I noticed that too. I'm thinking maybe it was deliberate, like Rock Island didn't wan't people loading live rounds (or trounds either for that matter) into guns at their auction house.
It may also demonstrate a fatal design flaw. It seems that cartridges are symmetric so you could load all magazine wrong way.
I suspect that was a common problem
Jeff Liggett Don’t think I got used enough to to even develop ‘common problems my god what a terrible sidearm this would be
As for me I was like bruh, that seems dangerous, and then felt relieved seeing the bullet end towards the back
If I ever make a 50's shooter this is going in!
Also this feels more like a Revolver-fed Magazine!
>do you want a pistol or revolver?
Dardick: yes
Been reading/hearing about the Dardick for a long time, thank you for some good detailed info, Ian!
But what intrigues me most is the info you mention early--around the 1 minute mark--that the revolver was made to support the machine gun development. Now, THAT seems like it might be interesting to learn about. I'm guessing that with so few revolvers sold, the "real" project didn't go very far? Clearly we don't have tround firing machine guns. Was there any work/development done towards that idea?
Thank you for another excellent episode!
we actually do have tround firing machine guns! ua-cam.com/video/ifujl4j95TY/v-deo.html
Is that that darn high capacity revolver California was talking about?
we finally found it!
High capacity assault revolver with high capacity magazines.
I’ve actually shot one of these
It had been modified and repaired with some milled brass parts and adapter and a steel 22 Barrel liner
One thing I would like to note is all you have to do is handle one to see why it was a Failure it feels very cheap like a toy Cap gun
Damn good shit
If you actually held one and fired one you wouldn't think it was a cap gun or cheap toy.... It's actually quite heavy. It's made of steel and aluminum and is thick in quite a few areas..
It also holds 15+1 rounds.. that adds weight.
Weight doesn’t Indicate quality
It’s poorly made Compared to the S&Ws and colts that were at Available at the time for half the price
Cap guns of the 50s were also made of cast zinc Aluminum or magnesium
@@mrfluffytailthethird point being it's made fine just the idea is poor. Weight indicates quality in alot of cases. This not being zinc or magnesium counts out the cap gun nonsense and the little kicker trounds this gun fires off also isn t comparable. The firing mechanism barrel and trigger system is actually very well made. I'm just speculating that your comment is overexagerated.
I remember a friend of mine some years ago telling me about a mag fed revolver, Trounds, and how it worked. It makes much more sense now.
This is why I love your channel, loving guns not for the fact that they are guns but how the work and their functions. So interesting to see others ideas.
A somewhat similar concept was actually put into practice earlier in the Soviet ShKAS aircraft machine gun. It uses a cylindrical, revolving feed case that incrementally pulls each cartridge out of its belt link as it travels around in a circle. This makes for a smooth delinking process and a strong and even belt pull, allowing the gun to fire at a pretty blistering 1800 RPM while using long belts without too much trouble. Apparently there was even a version that went all the way up to 3000 RPM, but that was quickly obsoleted by larger-calibre cannons that emerged around the same time.
That sounds interesting. Do you remember the name of said gun?
A great companion piece for your Gyrojet pistol. Looks like you could easily load a round, oops, "tround" in backwards, but it would just cycle through the action and be ejected.
I feel like this is the first video I ever watched of Forgotten Weapons. How has Ian not done this until now?
Just availability I think
Videos like this are why I love this channel.
I learned of the existence of this strange gun, googled it, and (of course) Ian has a video about it. Cheers mate.
The Springfield Armory museum has a Remington pistol that used a similar design and triangular ammunition... in the 1860's.
Now *that* is a forgotten weapon perfect for this channel ☺.
A few manufacturers came up with funky case designs to try and work round the rollin white patent for bored through cylinders owned by S&W,teat fire anyone ?
oooh, anyone got any more info on that thing? I’m curious now.
I’m sure half the reason it wasn’t adopted was the word *tround* . What a groaner.
Imagine going up to the gun counter like "Hey yea could I get 2 boxes of trounds?" **Gun shop owner snickers** "Um I'm sorry can you repeat that?" -- "Must I?"
@@skeetsmcgrew3282
Imagine a LEO while engaged in a gunfight.
I am out of trounds!
"Okay sir we like your gun, it really has potential and the high capacity has us interested. Now what did you say you call these new bullets?"
"Trounds"
"...okay never mind we're cancelling the contract. Get out."
Skeets McGrew Gonna go to the
field with my buddies today and send a few *trounds* downrange.
Having lived in that general area for 30+ years I often wondered if there was something weird in Hamden's water...
This has to be the raison d'etre for this channel's existence. That's just nutty.
07:15: If gun Jesus can load bullets backward, so can everyone else.
Solution? A bullet that can fire loaded backwards
@@MurcuryEntertainment Kinda like a darwinian solution to the gun proliferation problem...
I had a buddy that I took shooting and he loaded a magazine for my M1 Carbine while I was in the bathroom. I came back and realized he had loaded the entire magazine backwards and did not understand why it would not chamber.
might be a safety reason dont want a live round going off
Safety
I've wanted to see someone actually touch these for one forever.
Ian, make a company called "potomac" and make a modern tround-gun
I picked up a tround for one of these about 10 plus years ago for my cartridge collection, it is one of those things you take a look at and seriously wonder how no one said in a board meeting "This is a bad idea".
I first learned about the Dardick guns in the novel "The Dogs of War" by Frederick Forsyth. In the novel a gang of mercenaries turns to an arms dealer to procure guns for a coup in a small country in Africa. He can offer them mostly older weapons such as MP38/40 and such. And Dardick revolvers. The mercenaries are skeptical, having heard about the ridicelous triangular cartridges, but he convinces them that they will work just fine, and they do. So in the novel the Dardick revolver was well known and produced in large enough numbers that they could procure enough for a small army. It seems they had bought pretty much all that had been produced, since no one else wanted them. Unfortunately, the Dardick revolvers did not feature in the movie based on the book. Most of the weapons were substituted by Uzis and Ingram MAC10s dressed up to look like Uzis. Though the main protagonist does wield an unusal revolving weapon, a 26.5" Manville Machine Projector. This sounds like fodder for a Movie/novel special at the range.
I really wish this had caught on. I think it's really cool
A magazine fed revolver, now that’s something you don’t see everyday.
Dardick revolver says to the Zip 22 "I am your father"
That's not true! THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE!
Join me, and together we will rule the galaxy!
(Of really bad guns)
"And your uncle is the Gyro-Jet!"
kevin waddle "Well, what does that make us?"
is this the "assault revolver with a high capacity clip" that news sites keep talking about?
Maybe - depends if the Dardick is fully semi-automatic or not
Fully automatic, semi automatic
News companies; fully semi-automatic
Some random guy on the internet; Semi semi automatic
Me; gets joke but face Palms anyway
I'm very good friends with the Dardick family, I've seen this gun as well as all the attachments for it. Obviously not a very functional weapon, but like you said, it's only a housing unit. The real invention was the action and the tround and from what I have seen from their current projects, they were on the right track in the 50's
I love the ingenuity of this. Bold design choices made from a place of logic.
Surprised nobody's mentioned it, but that is a tround going into the chamber BACKWARDS at 7:18 ... I could see that being an issue, but easily addressed! Let's 3d print some modern trounds with arrows a la "this way toward enemy"!
I read something about this system relating to a "gatling" type cannon project to be used in aircraft.
Imagine having to disassemble this with a drill sergeant yelling at you while insulting your mom? Using loud, colorful language 6 inches from your face..
Disassembly is pretty easy----- ASSEMBLY under a shelter half when it's freezing and night, is the trick
Imagine losing a spring in the field
@@thesturm8686 That would be easy peasy
Looks similar to a Weller soldering gun.
Holy shit it does!
Especially the old ones from the 50s. I still have one of those (my grandfathers) around here. New ones also look like that but a little less so.
Hairdryer I was going to say but the Weller is best!
Ruger 10/22 wants to have a word
One of the best functional prints I've seen in a long time.
i made a 3d printed annealing machine for 6.5 creedmoor
Amazing video as usual. What amuse me alot is that precisely the day before you published this video, someone posted a picture from the simpsons, showing someone loading a magazine into a traditionnal-looking revolver (not a group about guns, BTW, it was just for laughs). And I said "Well there's Ian on UA-cam, if such a thing ever existed, even as a prototype, he'll show it eventually". And you delivers. Quite an amusing coincidence :)
"Alcoa is a good 1950s thing."
And a company I still try to get work at in 2019 >.>
Also where almost all AR forgings come from, and airplanes lol.
Tired & Grumpy - Aluminum Company of Canada (ALCOA) is the largest aluminum producer still in business today.
I'd love to walk into a gun store and say "I need a magazine repair for my revolver" with a straight face.
When you see a graphic representation of a strange cartridge and you already know it’s gonna be a complete, yet interesting, failure
Just when I thought I knew all exotic designs in firearms... Thanks for your research and for the quallity of your videos. Cheers from France.
They really went all out on the aesthetics for this one, everything about that packing and marketing material is beautifully stylized.
FW: The interesting part of triangular cartridges is that you can fit more bullets in one spot than a cylinder
Me: hehe funny name Dardick
The Mauser BK-27 installed in Tornado Jets is a revolver canon as far as I can remember.
Same as 30mm DEFAs and 20mm colt R39.
It is but it is developed from the Mauser MG 213 cannon developed in the early 1940s and nothing to do with this Dardick
@@ChristofUK That might very well, be, I just remembered that the BK-27 was also a Revolvercanon and that it makes a hell of a lot sense why this would be used for high firerate automatic weapons.
The Dardick Model 1500 - When a settlement REALLY needs your help.
*Pulls out AKM and slings Lee-Enfield over back* No thanks, I'll stick with what I have.
Ooooooohhhhhhh hhhheeeeelllllllllll nnnnoooooo
Im more of a semi auto .308 combat rifle with the bayonet. Nothing super fancy. Good times in downtown Boston though...
You are good man my friend , good work and all the weapons are in your hands , you're lucky.
Now this is a truly fascinating forgotten weapon.