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Oh god, I recently had an argument with my teenage kids wanting a gaming chair because of some influencer. The effort I spent trying to explain to them why the ergonomic chair that painstakingly get them a year earlier is much more healthy. Background info, I am IT guy that spent 15 years sitting 10-11 hours a day and got bulged disk, don't want that to happen to anyone, especially with my kids and these gaming chairs are enforcing all the bad habits I learned about healthy sitting in the ears of my recovery process.
@@muffininacup4060 Ok, if you want honestly my order of prefferences it is this: 1) Standing desk, you will complain for about 3 months until you get used to it, but then if you manage to keep glutes and abs engaged you are life free from low back pain. I am on this point even PC gaming on standing desk. This is cheap if you check some ikea hacks ideas. 2) I got my kids that simply refused standing a table where I got a custom desk with a semi-circle cut out for their torso so that they can rest their elbows on the table surface. Every arm is like 15kg / 33pounds that your unengaged core has to hold so getting that supported 100% is a giant plus, nobody will hold a proper pose for long and this works much much better than chair armrests that are always lower than working table. Yes some "ergonomc" chair is nice, but this table hack does more wonders here in my opinion. 3) fitball balance sitting The whole point here is that the more comfortable the chair,. the more the mussles relax and throw the load on passive body parts of spine and disks. The only healthy way is to force your muscles (especially glutes and abs as they act as counterbalance to lower back muscles) to be engaged. For me I went from bulging disk to somplete restoration thanks to standing desk and 10min excercises a day in like 2 years and saved myself from disk operation and much worse fate in later age.
@@majorpat8866 Standing desk, sit on a fitball or last resort if you really need to sit cut a semi circle to the table desk for your torso so you can rest your averate 15kg/33lb arm on the desk to eleviate the weight from your spine. No really, the more comfortable a chair is, the more you relax your muscles and the weight moves to passive ligaments like spine and dics. The only healthy sitting is the one where you activelly engages your glutes, abs and upper back so that lower back gets relaxed, and that is principally not achievable in a sitting pose. Sorry mate, physics. The best I know about is standing desk to engage the three muscle sections I mentioned, or sitting on a fitball to engage at least abs and upper back. I am personally for 2 years on a standing desk to stop the progression of my disk bulging (and it did) and I went the semi-circle custom table desk for my kids (since that is really cheap to cut out).
@@majorpat8866 not the person who posted the comment but what i will say is that personally ive found that an open (think like a net) back is so good. It keeps you cool and has some bounce so it works real well. For the seat, material is personal preference. all that said, pretty much any office chair works. My current one is a second hand office chair that i picked up for 20$ CAD, and its the most comfortable chair I own.
As someone who's 37 and can easily sit for 14+ hours a day programming and gaming, my mesh office chair is amazing. I have zero back problems. This video is spot on.
I was also in the same boat a few years ago.Using a crappy Amazon chair that kept falling apart after a year, I wanted something that would last and be better for my back. I ended up figuring that a Herman Miller was the way to go. Very pricy upfront, but a 12 year warranty makes it so it will cost the same or less than replacing all of those inferior chairs. Couple that with the fact that it is super supportive and comfortable in all the right ways. I get zero back pain even after 8 hours.
Same boat. I've been using a cheaper office chair for the last few years, and it's been fine, but I want to upgrade. Makes it kinda hard because I don't stay in one position. I like to sit cross-legged in the chair, slouched with feet up, sitting normally, etc etc. Gonna be hard to find a higher quality, higher durability chair that allows me that freedom
@@RAWDEAL064 I was thinking along the same lines as you but decided that, ultimately, I should get a chair that forces proper posture. It took a few weeks to adjust. I ended up with the high back Cosm by the way.
I was just thinking about this today , I’ve gotten cheap Amazon chairs for 100-150 each and I’ve gone through 4 in 5 years and thinking about a miller ever since I saw the warranty
I came to this same conclusion years ago regarding any product labeled "gaming". In my case it was headphones. Spending $200+ on gaming headphones that never lasted, had no replaceable parts and were generally just inferior to well known audiophile brands. It was well worth and cheaper in the long run to save for a nice pair of headphones. My Sennheiser headphones are going on 12 years old now, can replace the cables, pads etc and just as good as the day I bought them.
Audiophile brands still dont last for me. My $300 AKG's the cables went to shit, the $80 pads needed replacement, and a plastic part on 1 part broke. Sennheiser my pads went but I didn't know you could replace them and gave them away. I still need to get myself a new pair I was thinking the Sennheiser HD600XX from massdrop.
@@insaviour2783 The HD650's. I have loved them and I'd totally recommend someone to try them out. I'd hesitate to buy them blind from some place that is a hassle to make returns with though. The HD650's seem to be split in groups of either love or hate. They are open back and 300 ohm so require a DAC and AMP to push them.
I currently use Hyperx Cloud Alpha headphones, which I bought for under £100, over 3 years ago. They've held up really well, especially since they're used throughout the work week for me. The pads have cracked a bit, but that's because I've abused them a lot and not looked after them properly. Some audiophile brands are massively overpriced and not really built as well as they should be. I do like Beyerdynamic's budget range, but the lack of a detachable cable is really annoying.
This is gold for me. I got a remote job and my computer chair works for paying bills, or kids doing homework. All day, it is so bad. I also had a spinal fusion surgery 3 months ago, so that doesn't help. I don't have a big budget yet, but i can probably do a $300 chair for now. Thank you.
If you live in an urban area with a big tech presence, you can also find cheap used office chairs either on Craiglist or at liquidation centers that resell office furniture from defunct startups. In the Bay Area you can get high quality used Herman Miller Aerons for as low as $350, more than 50% less than what it would cost retail.
Lol, nothing explains startups better than expensive office chairs being pawned off for cheap to regain at least a little bit of the wasted funds @@ooogyman
I gamed and worked from home on a crappy chair for a long time. I finally invested in a quality chair and I've noticed a huge difference when it comes to comfort. I would say I regret not doing this sooner but truthfully it wasn't something I could afford at the time. I have that Mavix M9 in the video and love it.
Straight up watching for this video because of the exact same reason you listed. Currently game and work from home on a a really really old gaming chair and have had it for a long time. Looking for something good.
@dawizze1 This is a great investment considering the cheaper chairs last so many years. Assuming it fits your budget of course. I know forking over this much money for a chair can be wild. I was there at one point and was probably one of the biggest haters about it. I would always say stuff like "this chair better do my work for me at that price" 😂. It does absolutely 0 work for me but I'm really comfy and don't get that butt and back ache my old chair gave me. Best of luck and hope you find something you really like.
Swapped gaming chair for office chair when I needed to sit in it more then 4 hours when on home office. Never looked back. Also the leather imitation is awfull in the summer. The office meshed chair is way more comfortable
@@Dukenukem leather imitation is awful in ANY context: 1. Gets hot in hot days 2. Does not retain heat in cold days 3. Despite what vegan douches may delude themselves with, it’s more environmentally harmful than real leather
I purchased a HM Aeron chair around 1999. Best. Purchase. Ever. It both looks and sits fantastic. And the cool part about a premium chair like this is that I can get maintenance done on it. It's a design classic that is still produced, there are still parts available for it. After 15-20 years the coasters needed replacement (soft rubber will wear away), the plastic lumbar support was torn, a handle had broken off and the mechanism needed readjustment. I had it all fixed and the chair is as good as new after 25 years and I still enjoy it daily for more hours than I care to admit. In total I think I spend less than 2000 euros over 25 years for top quality seating that will probably last me another 25, absolutely worth it.
For years I wanted a gaming chair... now that I finally decided to spend some money to upgrade my gaming setup, I don't know what to buy. I did some research and a lot of people are saying NOT to buy a gaming chair. I'm tall and "semi" heavy (110kg). So I was aiming at something sturdy. And that is usally a gaming chair. However... I feel like an office ergonomic chair will simply be more comfortable. I did some research to decide and now I'm even less decided than before xD
I'm in the same situation. A month passed since you wrote this comment, have you bought anything? Any advices?
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@@igors1234 I bought an office chair less than a year ago, and regretted it almost instantly. It is now broken. The gaming chair that I had before that held way longer (although the cushioning on the arm rests gave out too quickly). From what I can see, and what I dislike about this office chair the most, is that when you recline in an office chair, the seat tilts back too (even a Steelworks Gesture for over a thousand euros seems to behave that way)… gaming chairs have an independently-reclining back. Killer feature for me. So now I will replace this office chair with a gaming chair.
@@igors1234 yeah, so I bought Symino gaming chair. In general I am happy with it. It is comffortable and seems sturdy. Tho it is a bit stiff... it's not a deal breaker. And I'm use to it by now. I'm tall and this one is big enough for me to sit on. To be honest I had high expectations for a gaming chair and I was a bit disappointed at first... because like I said, it's a bit stiff. But in general I'm used to it right now and I can sit for hours if needed. Time will tell how durable it will be :) I bought it in June.. so it's only 2-3 months. We'll see :)
Had a cheap gaming chair for a few years, was really not good, then I upgraded to a pretty expensive nice office chair that was the same one I had at work, it felt comfortable for ~8h at work so I thought it would be nice at home too, but I didn't like it so I sold it and bought a secret lab titan evo, and it was much more comfortable. I also like to sit with crossed legs, and that was super uncomfortable in my office chair but feels great in my secretlab I think there are better chairs than gaming chairs, but the titan evo isn't a bad chair. I'd never buy a random gaming chair that's just made to look like a car seat though
It's because gaming chairs were first designed for racing sims. That's why the first gaming chair companies have names like DxRacer and NeedforSeat. It was just meant to imitate the driving experience to make it more immersive. The look took off, so they just went with it as the default design for any type of gaming chair. -Ryan
They're also designed so the driver can sit in them for hours on end without issues. So they're actually very comfortable if they fit your body shape and you don't have to move much.
@@btodtvor maybe the gaming isnt office work and having rigid frame that holds position is desired ... when gaming i dont need to reach for a copier, phone on the desk write a note or sign a piece of paper ... what i want is to find a position and then spend 10+ hours in that same position without suffering any fatigue from the chair. which means rigid solid chair that DOES NOT FLEX ... exactlyu the same thing as racing seats in cars that are designed to keep drivers comfortable for hours on end even in moving vehicle that goes over bumps on the road. and if someone has issues with side "railing" on a gaming chair it just means they chose wrong size of one, just get one with wider body.
You say car seats are comfortable, but I raise you that most gaming chairs are not car seats, they just look like it. Even the cheapest car will have a ton of high density moss, load of back support, and adjustable headrest up to 7 feet. Gimme a car seat on a stick, even with half the padding (since you are not moving over inequal terrain) and I'll be more than happy.
My wife once gave me a DXRacer for my birthday, and it saddens me to say it was the most uncomfortable chair I ever had. Not only that, but it lost its rubber on the armrests in nearly six months of use, and the racing chair bucket just dissolved after a year. I never planned to buy one. I used a used chair from my old company before, and it was still more usable after five years of heavy office use than one new DXRacer after a year. Now I use a nice office chair from Köhl, which was the brand of the old chair I had before. I think, there are two types of people that have gaming chairs: streamers who get sponsored or people who don’t know what they’re buying. And, to be honest, I look down on people who think the whole "gaming" branding means quality or something positive; it's just a way to squeeze extra money out of people.
@@DerFreiegedanke "gaming laptop" is the one that always gets me, even normal office laptops often have all kinds of throttling to keep them from frying. Though tbh I've never been into games that required a real GPU (too young to remember when that was basically all games, sorry haha)
@@traveller23e I failed for that once but after some troubles i figured out that thing is just really shitty designed, as expected, and you always need to run all fans on maximum overdrive, that things is loud as hell but now does not die during gameplay. Its nearly 8 years old but still running. PoE works fine and some things like Valheim also.
I think the main difference is, how many gaming chairs manage to last past say 5 years? Most will have the faux leather peeling, the arm rests failing, the seating going flat etc etc. I'm pretty happy with my GT Omega chair as it seems to about the same quality as any other (steel frame, cold foam etc) but was £220 rather than £300-500. Now after half a decade however the seat is starting to go flat, all the seams in the seating have rippedthrough the faux leather. To be fair, If I can get another seat for it I'd happily sit in for another half a decade. My sitting posture although not great doesn't result in back aches and seems to work with most chairs. The reason for me to go for an office chair is that they actually seem to last. There's Steelcase and Herman Miller chairs in their 'teens' that functionally are still the same as a new one, and they come with warranties that back that up. Gaming chairs mostly seem to be 2-3 years of warranty (warranty that doesn't cover pretty much everything that will go wrong because they'll write it down to normal wear and tear even when it isn't)
I'm nearly 5 years into my SecretLab Omega, almost still like new. One arm has started to crack due to me leaning, and the pillow has a hole. Other than that, I'm amazed how long it's lasted.
Yeah mine is about 6years old and the foam in the seat is completely flattened, it is not a comfortable chair anymore, the leather has held up fairly well though
Why would a 3-year warranty not cover normal wear and tear? Isn't the whole idea of a warranty to guarantee that the item is of sufficient quality to last a given time period under normal use?
@@traveller23e Check the warranty of some brands, most will not cover fabric/faux leather wearing out and consider it normal wear and tear. The warranty is for when things actually affect the functionality (arm falling off would be covered for example). In most of the EU they'd be legally obliged to cover those kind of issues in the first place and they're just doing the bare minimum.
It’s like how bakeries amp up the price when it’s for a wedding, so pro tip: when buying the food and decoration don’t tell the vendors is for a wedding! It will be much cheaper for the same thing
UH.... I must say thank you. After seeing you move the armrest on the Titan chair, I now know that I can adjust them front and back and side to side. I have had mine for over 4 years now and never know it could do that lol. Also I don't find the bucket seat to cause me discomfort at all but to some it might. I have used office chairs before I got my Titan and I will never go back. Being able to adjust the arms to my liking and the sturdier padding of the Titan feel so nice. The office chair I used before made me feel constrained but since it was free, was my folks old office chair, but I hated it so much that I shelled out for my Titan.
Great video as usual. 2 things to note. Steelcase Amia owner here (love the chair by the way I got in 2011 and it has been incredible.) I still find my self grabbing my gaming chair around once a day for a specific task. I also have an extra one for you guessed it my sim racing setup. After it’s all sim racing I want the realism. So that is a point you could have added it is great for people who sim race and want to feel as close to possible and get as much realism as possible. 2nd point, you noted the full recline function is trash. However that’s the reason I grab the chair. I have a tall padded thing I use as a footrest I lay my feet on it and then use my monitor arm to get my big 49 inch monitor high and pointed downward. I use my full recline grab my controller and play laid back games with my controller laying back in a comfortable position just having a good time. So yes an office chair is so much more comfy, however there is specific occasions where a gaming chair is better, I feel like my 2 situations are the only ones. You could also maybe say for looks but I would still rather just get a cool looking office chair.
Currently using a gaming chair, not because I was specifically looking for one, but because I just tried different chairs within my (very humble) student budget and the one that was most comfortable without going over budget simply happened to be a gaming chair on a discount. My only complaint is the armrests being made from some kind of brittle plastic which has started falling apart at the seams, leading to me wrapping them in duct tape to keep them together and cover the tears.
yup in my experience with high end office chairs, cheap gaming chairs are still more comfortable for the first year... but they do not last nearly as long.
I guess mileage may vary. I bought an older Titan with lumbar suport and omnidirectional armrest adjustments before they stopped making them and hiked the price, but considering that my usual seating position is partially reclined, with my feet propped up on the subwoofer under my desk, it definitely does its job and I couldn't really find any office chairs within the same range that suited my particular use case. It also held up remarkably well. Other than the foam on the armrests coming apart from the plastic here and there, it has no tangible damage or heavy wear. That being said, at the current rates I'd definitely look for something else if I ever was to replace it.
I'd say SecretLab is an exception to the usual quality and ergonomic woes of most cheaper gaming chairs. They do make good stuff, but at the end of the day it is a very firm seat and some might something more cushy or flexible. And at that price point you might as well look into a good office chair unless you're dead set on the larger seat you can 'sit' on.
As a 6'6 (198 cm) tall guy my primary concern was proper lumbar support for my height, and the existence of a headrest (preference). The Titan Evo XL fit the bill and I'm very happy with it. That said, if I ever had to buy another chair I will take more time looking into larger office chairs
This!!! I don't know how many people sit but office chairs good god. My so called premium erginomic chair at my office wants me to sit like a crash test dummy. back and legs in a perfect L.
The fact that so many gaming chairs are these bucket seats infuriates me. I bought a DX Racer Classic XL years ago and love it ... but its getting to its last legs. Been trying to find one that has a high enough weight (At least 350lbs) limit inside a $500 budget and all the chairs I find now are these bucket seat. I have wider shoulders those buckets dig into my shoulder blades. The Classic XL wasnt a bucket, it was more of a SUV seat and it was great, if I could find it new I would buy it again. I've looked for office chairs too, but I constantly find that they either dont have a high back or they dont allow forward tilt so that my knees can be comfortably below my waste.
the problem is office chairs basic angle is 105 degrees compare to gaming chairs who u can choose from 90 degrees to around 170 and i feel like when i game and hard focusing on it, the 90 degrees just feel more focused and into the game and when i tried office chair, yeah they are alot better in comfrtoable, but i just cant see myself focusing on the game and leaning that far back... what do u think ?
what kind of chair would I want to get if I enjoy sitting cross legged sometimes or with one foot under my body, and I also use blankets a lot as it gets rather cold in my home during winter. I've been having lots of back issues with my current chair.
Stop sitting cross legged sometimes or with one foot under you body and your back issues will fix after some time. Youre just hurting yourself and asking why it hurts.
Sorry if this isnt the best place to ask, but figured I would try. I had a pretty bad accident that makes sitting upright in a chair rather painful. So sitting at a desk has been something I have to do minimally. My chair is old and not great, so I've been looking to replace it. The main thing I need is just for the butt cushion to be quite soft, and enough room for easy position adjustment. I've considered just getting a recliner because of this, but there has to be a better option than that. I need something that is soft and somewhat spacious, as i need to readjust my seating position very frequently, so I know I should be looking office chairs. I'm just not sure where to start. If anyone here has any advice, I would greatly appreciate it. :)
I personally prefer recliners, but if its gonna be used in an office setting, maybe an office chair with a kick back stand for your feet. Or just add a cushion to an ergonomic chair. I know this is a late reply, but thought I could help
I appreciate the reply all the same. I actually watched some more videos from these guys and decided to pick up a Haworth Soji (95% Polyester Cushion) during their Black Friday sale. Having a recliner for my desk would have been very cumbersome as I'm in an apartment, so not a ton of space. Although I do plan on getting a recliner for my living room, so it also seemed a bit silly to get 2 in the end. Lol. The chair has been great so far. Still breaking it in, and it makes me wish I had an adjustable desk. A foot rest is something I will be looking into, but am ultimately happy with the choice. :)
@@itranscendencei7964 good for you man, I'm glad you're happy with your choice, just an fyi for the recliner. If you're gonna get a leather one, make sure it's genuine leather or else it'll start ripping apart within a year
I’m rocking a lower priced lazyboy “executive” office chair from Costco. Got it for $200 and of any office chair that I’ve experienced in that price range, it’s absolutely stellar. It’s not flexible, but it is wide and I’m 6ft2 - it goes up just perfectly to the top of my shoulders with a bit of extra padding up top for leaning my neck back on to stretch. My sister bought herself a secret labs gaming chair - one of the racing looking ones that so many streamers have. When I was over at her place, I tried it and it honestly kinda sucked. I’d rather pull the sparco seat out of my mx5 and use that because it’s way comfier (and wholly unsuitable to sitting at a computer). This video encapsulates this experience that I’ve had
My issue is that I just can't get comfortable in an "office" chair. I've had a $2k Herman Miller Embody. I hated it. The relatively hard thin back is uncomfortable. I need something more substantive behind me. Currently looking at the Evo and hoping it can give me the best of both worlds.
Used to play in a recliner as a kid living back with my parents. Then when they got rid of that. I just played on the couch. An office chair mimics those feelings best for me and makes me feel the most comfortable in as well
Ok, serious question. I'm someone who wants to curl up in my chair; possibly even sitting sideways. What would you recommend? I think I'd want something with even more pronounced bolsters than the bucket seat design.
@chronodis incorrect, I will be at the desk. You are bad at this job, probably why I was asking the professional in the video and not the chucklefuck gallery.
As someone who has Braum racing seats in my car, I have no issue with bucket seat designs. I never really thought they were a hindrance or restricted movement where ir counts. The only thing of note about bucket seats is that in a car, the seat traps heat rather well but I don't imagine this being an issue in an office or room.
As someone on a standard budget (around 100) the reason I went for a gaming chair is because it had not much but some padding on the seat. Which cheap office chairs seem to be designed to punish you for having an office job by making it incredibly uncomfortable. I guess if I did have 500 - 700 to spend on a chair which is already a laughable amount of money for normal people to throw on a chair. Yes I guess an office chair takes over again.
Yeah I spent less than $300 CAD, so under $200 US (and I considered even that much to be a pretty big splurge) on my gaming chair coming up on 5 years ago and it's still going strong despite getting upwards of 10 hours of use 7 days a week. The only issue I've had with it in that time is the pleather on the main seat cushion started cracking about a year ago, but I slapped one of those big leather adhesive patches over it and solved the problem for a whopping $20 - with enough of the patch left over for a second fix if need be. It might not be amazing, but it's leagues better than the $50 ikea garbage I was using before it, which /was/ actively destroying my spine. At the same time, I am a tiny woman so it's possible my experience with my gaming chair has just been better because I'm not physically large enough to have experienced the issues other people have with them.
Why does every chair I sit in make it so my body presses against the back and gradually levers against my mass and slides my butt closer and closer to the edge. Is it posture? Weight distribution? Am I just sitting wrong? I’ve tried to same thing in higher end chair and the effect is slower, but I’d still end up sliding down/ constantly adjusting if I had to be in it for 8 hours
I had the same experience after buying & using a gaming chair. The bucket design was terrible for my size, the reclining function only makes the chair less balanced due to my weight, I rarely use the included foot rest even when it's designed for when the chair is reclined, and the hydraulic stand gave out way too quickly. I stuck with office chairs afterwards.
An office chair has completely different requirements. The upholstery of these chairs must last for at least one shift or working day. In addition, office chairs must allow you to sit for long periods without causing health problems. A gaming chair does not have to meet any of these requirements.
Exactly what are you claiming is required of a gaming chair? What are the different requirements between an office chair and a gaming chair? At the same price point an office chair will almost always out perform a gaming chair in any category other than trendy looks. Office chairs are designed to be a tool used by professionals who expect a tool to do it's job well. Gaming chairs are a fashion accessory sold to impressionable people who don't understand the concept of cause and effect
@@blackoak4978 Quote "Exactly what are you claiming is required of a gaming chair?" - Noo.. TLDR - Gaming Chairs don't have to meet any requirements. A Gaming Chair has its typical style. usually a swivel chair with a long backrest and a arm rest. All other features are based on imagination and advertising claims. An office chair, on the other hand, is a work tool and must meet the minimum requirements as such. This must also be proven through tests.
Why are the requirements different? I want to sit comfortably for 8 hours when I'm gaming on my free weekends. I don't want health problems after sitting for a prolonged time. I don't see your point.
@@dontknowbutcare I'm not quite sure, what you mean. you talk business chair oder gaming chair? The term ‘gaming chair’ is not protected. Anything can be a ‘gaming chair’, basically anything you can sit on while gaming is a ‘gaming chair’. An office chair, on the other hand, is a seat for performing an activity or work while seated. There are rules and laws governing work and occupational safety that are different in each country. India/Pakistan is a good example where there are no rules/laws for work safety. Therefore, people work with what they have or can afford or without any protection for their health and body.
I've had a number of different chairs over the years. A fully reclining gaming chair could have a usecase if you visit LAN parties (if those still exists). A number of years ago I bought a KAB K4, an expensive 24H chair. Suddenly I had support for my arms with adjustable arm rests! It was worth the price just for that feature alone.
I have a gaming chair, I want to upgrade to a nice office chair but I have used the full back tilt once, I injured my back and having my chair tilted back up against my bed so I could lay in the chair with more support and ever so slightly tilled up with my feet in the bed was the only way I could get to sleep for a couple nights. very uncommon use case obviously but not sure how I would have gotten to sleep if I didn't have the chair
It’s probably worth trying both types and getting what works for your personal situation. For example, I’ve got a ruptured lumbar disc, and a $3000 ergonomic chair setup by an ergonomic specialist at work actually aggregated my symptoms. However the lumbar support in my titan gaming chair hits everything perfectly and i don’t have issues. So much so i just brought the Titan to the office.
Hey I noticed the new Asus Destrier in the thumbnail and I wanted to ask if you can maybe do a stand alone review. Thinking of getting the chair but there are not enough reviews or even Reddit reviews. Plz plz make one! Thanks
I've used many gaming chairs and office chairs and ended up being more comfortable in a old styled second hand armchair designed with posture support. It is a very not mobile way of sitting since your not on wheels, but as i didn't like my chair moving out of my preferred position for it every time i get up and sit down since i like to stand and pace around while thinking, it works for me. The stability of a armchair was better for me and its a lot lower to the ground which a takes some practice getting used too, but yea having your feet planted on the ground is so much nicer for posture over long periods of time sitting. So while I kind of have to agree good office chairs are honestly the best option for the most part but if that still isn't working out I guess I just wanted to say that dedicated support armchairs are awesome too and not just for older people or people with back problems.
I'm glad you mention people who are big and tall. I tried office chairs for years. And they broke under my weight. I'm over 300 pounds and nobody I saw builds them for people my size. I finally got a Secretlab chair and it has lasted for longer than my previous 3 chairs combined and still going.
I bought a fairly low expense gaming chair from a large computer retailer in 2016. Only complaint I have is that within a few years the super super thin covering imitation leather just flaked off. In terms of comfort.. probably the most comfortable chair I have ever owned.. that thing looks a mess now.. the cover all flaked off.. still dont want to get rid of it though.. will have to , because it looks awful now... but in all other respects, it still is as good as when I bought it. My own personal experience as someone who works in an office on some good office chairs for 8 hrs / day ... and someone who sits for long periods in my gaming chair.. I'd rather sit in my gaming chair! But , would agree that if you are working.. as in typing none stop.. or doing work.. you're getting in a chair that supports you in the working position rather than a relaxing position.. thats an office chair over a gaming chair. But if you're not working bolt-up close to your desk for 4-5 hrs straight at a time.. gaming chair wins hands-down for me.
The only office chairs I have experience with are sadly the cheap-ish fake leather ones that start falling apart after a couple years of use. It's also really hard to find chairs _without_ lumbar support, which doesn't work for my spine.
@@iFeedRSKitnRoCKTailsyou do understand we don’t usually have anything other than a co pay right the memes are actually false while not all insurance is good most pay for everything
I'd love to see a Embody Gaming vs Digital Knit Fern video, and with a bit more focus on slouching and comfort rather than ergonomics! As I'm chronically ill, I can't go to nearby shops to test out the chairs myself, especially when they often don't have these 2 specific models :(
Yeah i really feel like he puts emphasis on things that dont really matter like being able to swing your arms and stretch in your chair. What matters most is being comfortable in different positions you actually stay in and the ability to still use the keyboard/mouse. You could also argue its better to just get up and walk around a minute than stretch in your chair.
Hi, coder (and GaMeR, I guess) here. Honestly, the thing that changed my life with office chairs was the mesh weave back. HOLY MOLY what a miracle difference. Night and day. Never going back, it's just SO much more comfortable than anything else I've ever sat on for long periods of time
Now try some music studio headphones like a Sennheiser or a simple AKG, you will be surprised how gear designed specifically towards professionals of any given field are always vastly superior to this cheap "gaming" OEM(look this up) slop they push down our throats.
@@Sewersyrup I think he means about the breathability of mesh versus, say, a high-backed leather chair, even if both are office-oriented. They does not detract in ANY way from the validity of what you said, though
This video showed up on my recommended front page, and I couldn't have asked for anything better tonight! I own a Secret Lab Titan Evo, and while I'm pleased to see it called out as the exception more than once, I have been looking for something more comfortable. Ergonomic office chairs have had my attention, but they are the same or greater investment as what I already own, so I wasn't quite sold. I am now. I was hoping to get some brands and models from this video, and I appreciate you name dropping some of the best for me to look into.
I fit probably the one scenario where a gaming chair is better than an office chair. I sit like a gremlin. I hardly ever use a chair as a chair, and usually sit more like I would on the ground or a ledge. The AndaSeat Kaiser I bought doesn't have the vertical braces on the seat like most others do, but instead a gentle slope up. Since I bought the XL version for my height, I have plenty of width to sit however I want to. I do use the side supports on the back of the chair to tuck myself into the corner of it if I put only one leg up on the seat. I will say the big drawback is the lumbar support is not the greatest, but I usually either don't sit long enough or sit still long enough for it to really become an issue.
Great video, but just like most videos to do with chairs it's usually US where as I'm in the uk and it can be harder to find the links and chairs you guys talk about for obvious reason, different regions
1:54 As a sim racer myself... I'm in a weird niche that has enough of the equipment to enjoy the simulation but unfortunately I have not mounted the seat. So this is actually my situation lol
I spent £250 on a secondhand chair that retails for £600+ from someone on eBay - guy was just upgrading to a newer chair that better suited his height so this secondhand one was almost brand new and not used much. Best purchase I've made for my home office/den. It's always worth checking to see if anyone nearby is selling their chairs secondhand, especially after the COVID lockdowns and people gradually moving back into their company offices rather than WFH.
The new colamy showed up in this video-you guys mentioned it in your Amazon deals video as well. Any chance you’ll do a deeper look at this chair in the future?
Back and neck pain for 20 years with office chairs supposedly made to avoid these. Bought a science whatever gaming chair, no issue whatsoever anymore. Sometimes neck, but that's if I play 6h without any movement or stretching.
Ive sat on a gaming chair before and it felt of very low quality, the cushion was hard, lumbar support laughable and looked like it wont last long. I bought a hermann miller aeron chair and its one of the best chairs ive ever bought. The cheap office chairs i bought gave me some back problems, the aeron heavily reduced the strain on my back. I plan on buying another aeron for my brother since hes stuck with a crappy gaming chair which also gave gim back problems
I've not been able to make office chairs work, perhaps due to my height? Gaming chairs just seem more comfortable (at least for me), and I like the feeling of being held in place like in a car. I seem to be able to sit in car seats (bucket, not rear bench) for long periods without discomfort too. That being said maybe I haven't tried an expensive enough office chair to give them a fair shot?
Can you recommend office chair with tilt and with head support moving foward/backward, not only up and down? Nothing too fancy, I just need these two since I game and work from home for 14h+ a day and I sit in wierd positions
Thank you for talking me out of buying a titan evo. Their marketing really messed with me. What's the best chair to get in that price range, so ~500€ in Europe?
Biggest problem with all of these chairs: they are too expensive! I really wish I could just find a nice, simple chair, that supports more weight that the regular 100kg, that seems to be the norm.
I just googled it actually and there's alot of options for over 200kg holding weight and they are cheap too so idk what the heck you are talking about lol I was expecting stuff like 1k but there are some in the $200 or less. It's a complaint to complaint at this point
@@SemekiIzuio If you are american, they are probably more easily found. Like everything else there. But it's not the same on the EU side, where everything is more expensive, simply due to taxes. Trust me, I've looked around, and it's not easy to find a chair like that. (Also, 200 dollars - or about 180 euros - is not something I'd call cheap.)
@@DisgruntledDoomer Get a gym membership it will help you after a while. Or eat less food. Youll have more budget for a better chair, while losing weight.
Hey great video. I've been going into this rabbit hole for couple days now. And I was wondering what you think of so called "24h" chairs? (Some brands i found: AG Seating, KAB Seating, Iron Horse seating). They seem to be modeled after car seats too. In some cases, like KAB, are even car seat manufacturer. But the chairs are designed for long sittings, for example as security watching screens or something. They are like these "gaming" chairs that became popular over the past 20 years only way pricier and much better quality. I myself got a used office chair, (RH Logic 400), good condition, 250 dollars couple years ago. Just recently swapped some parts and it still perfectly fine and much cheaper than buying a new one.
Spoiler alert hermen miller chairs suck and are over priced. Office chairs are not designed to be comfortable they are designed to keep you working and not break.
Are there any options for short, petite folks? I’m about 5’1” and in any office environment, I have to choose between my legs going numb because my knees don’t sit right over the seat edge or never touching my back to the chair back. At home, I’m currently using a padded stool with no back but has the ability for me to tilt around on it.
That was my situation with my billion year old Ikea, served me over a decade till the back literally fell off. 😅 That thing's fake leather and lining under the chair was shedding all over the place but the comfort was unmatched, I lean and sleep on it as someone over 100 kilos.
I bought a gaming chair during the pandemic bc I was all of a sudden working from home and needed to save my back. It saved me but I would def buy an ergonomic chair these days. I got the Secretlab Titan and while it’s mostly a decent chair, my main gripe with it is twofold: 1. It doesn’t go low enough that my feet are firmly planted on the ground. 2. The adjustable arm rests don’t go up high enough to be useful for me. So all in all my short arms make the arm rests useless and my short legs mean my feet are barely touching the ground so my knees are always in a slight hanging position. I’m 6ft2 so that’s really weird to me.
Love to get the Aeron chair but cost $3K. I currently sit in an office chair from Ikea which cost $450, it has armrests that swivel sideways but do not lock.
Can the tallest guy in your office recommend a chair for a someone 6'5" 240lb with neck and shoulder pain? I dont care for aggressive lumbar just good neck, shoulder, and elbow support. 4D armrest and at least 20 depth on the seat for sitting cross-legged. The most comfortable backrest I've used is on the Serta Hensley but the armrests are unusable and the seat raises my legs too much. Currently use it with the arms installed upside-down and a clamp on desk elbow rest arm but still find it hard to get comfortable aside from sitting cross legged and never feel like I have enough elbow support and get leg pain. From your videos Im thinking the Fern no lumbar/headrest with an atlas headrest mod or the Mavix M9 to use with my Uplift Desk. Advice would be greatly appreciated. Chairs ive tried but didnt like. Serta Hensley: great back bad arms unergonomic seat. Steelcase Gesture: Seat too shallow. Steelcase Leap Plus: Did not lime the back, it dug into my shoulders and found I missed a headrest. Logitech Embody: Was not blown away, too small for me. Herman Miller Aeron C: Did not like at all, overrated. Found the plastic on the seat and shoulder area hitting pressure points.
I'm 6'2 240 and constantly had back pain while sitting. I got to Titan Evo 2, and I can now I can sit all day at my desk extremely comfortably with no back pain anymore. In contrast to most of the commenters here I wanted a stiff back and something that could support my weight properly. I love my Titan.
Interesting, I'm 6'4" 230 and I prefer a stiff and tall back rest. I've sat in the Herman Miller Aeron and while it was comfortable I also think it's overrated. Will probably buy the ThunderX3 Core soon.
@@GoombaNL it feels amazing . i weight 100 kg , 178 cm height . so i am for sure on the heavy side , i mostly game and sit on the chair 8 hours minimum daily , it got rid of the back pain that the gaming chairs gave me , lumbar support is amazing , u can flex ur back as much as u want without fearing it would break, also i love cracking my back on it lmao . i mean .... it's just amazing
Couldn't agree more. I'm not a big guy but I have chronic back pain. My wife bought the Logitech/ Herman Miller embody for me as a 40th birthday gift. I'd say there was probably a two week period getting the chair adjusted to how I liked it, but after that it's easily been the best chair I've ever sat in. Getting out of that. Majorly reduces back and hip aches. Mighty pricey but so worth it for your back and hips
@user-rr9ic3xb6z How long did you try it for? For my first 2 weeks, I was unsure I liked it at all for the same reason, but once I got the back adjusted right, I couldn't love it any more than I do now. For me, it was about 2 weeks to get it just right.
The reason I prefer a gaming chair (currently the secretlabs titan) over most office chairs is that it feels nicer to sit in while just lounging and/or gaming at my PC at home. I don't like the mesh-backs that a lot of office chairs come with as it kind of feels like I'm sitting in a draft (even though the temperature is comfortable in the room in general). I also want the high back-rest rather than just a neck-rest like most office chairs even though that might not be the most ergonomic choice. I do understand the advantages and differences of the ergonomic chairs as I spend probably 80% of my time at work in an office chair, but it just doesn't feel the same. If I was working from home, I'd most likely get an office-chair as well as my secretlabs chair and switch between them (I also have a sit-stand desk so I can easily adjust the desk to fit the task). I don't know, maybe I'm a gamer-girl at heart lol
i did some digging online and searched a few stores, the only chair which had a back tall enough for me to rest my head and not to have the headrest either in my neck or my back was a gaming chair, i don't use it cause the piston keeps giving out (i'm quite the big and tall fella) so i had to use an office chair my mom bought (and didn't like) and i have had back problems ever since
If you ask me the best seat you can have while doing anything on the PC is an armchair, the keyboard can easily rest in your lap I would argue it's one of the best places you can use a keyboard, considering laptops... issue comes when you try to use a mouse, that issue is not so much because of a platform to use a mouse on because there are armchairs with wide armrests, but if you want to sit in the armchair cross-legged like I like to do if the chair isn't wide enough there is not enough space get your legs crossed. Another thing is that most of the armchairs are too low to the ground which depending on the place where your monitor is can be a big issue so it's quite hard to find an armchair that checks out all those criteria...
You baited me haha. I was really hoping to see the Destrier review in this video, but I guess I'll have to wait :(. I'm staying tuned, even more hyped up than before ahah.
There haven't been many available to try. Seems like they limited how many were available to the general public. We buy almost all of the things we review so it took a while to track one down. I had to drive 3 hours to get it from the nearest Micro Center, when there was "1" actually available -Greg
I'm a fairly small guy (only 5'5") but had a gaming chair for a while and got tired of it due to pretty much everything you mentioned: no lumbar support, rigid, uncompromising, and just not a good experience. I think that I'll buy an office chair as my next office/gaming chair.
I always wondered about the argument about trampoline / mesh chairs vs padded. I love my trampoline chair for ventilation, but always wondered if I’m giving up ergonomics for ventilation. Would be awesome if you did a break down about the two types. Ps gaming chairs have always reeked of marketing over substance.
The gaming chair holds you in place, like a racing car seat does. Think about it; an actual gaming pro is spending 30-45 minutes locked in on a game, pushed forward, then they break for a while in a real tournament on stage. If you're gaming four hours and hours it should obviously be more like an office chair, as that is designed for that use case. Like a racing styled seat in a car makes sense for a race car driver, but would be wildly uncomfortable for anyone making a daily commute or road trip
Ever sat in a racecar seat? Racing seats are actually comfortable. In NASCAR those guys can spend up to 5 hours at once in their seat. Sure it's not upright like a gaming chair but their seats are comfy. Real racing seats are actually really comfy. Most professional race car drivers spend hours almost everyday practicing on their sim rig for the next race. I think the most important thing is finding the chair you think is comfortable whether it's a gaming chair or office chair. Typically the amount spent is the quality you will get. Cheaper office chairs will be better then cheaper gaming chairs but after a certain point, it's what you like better
I'd add that the desk and the position of your monitors is also part of the ergonomics while working/gaming, so event with the best chair you'll still have bad time if your desk is too low, monitors too far and/or not at the correct height etc. I agree that gaming chairs are mostly crap, but to me Secretlab chairs offer good middle ground. I used to work on a crappy chair for 12+ hours and had back pain, moved to a TITAN from Secretlab and the pain was gone from the very first day I sat on it.
Where I live, office chairs are twice as expensive as gaming chairs so no brainer for me. Also I spent years sitting on plastic and metal garden and dinner chair, come on.
I had a cheap-ish office chair provided by my employer. I ended up having hip problems. I had a gaming chair at home that I bought for around $200 and it has helped immensely.
I just saw this, idk if you read old comments, I often wondered about this when using sim rigs. I understand it sim oriented, but racing style seats are best in cars, where there's forces being applied on various axis, plus all the vibration. I find this makes those seats far tolerable for far longer, but in a more home gaming environment I start getting uncomfortable after about an hour or two, and have wondered why no one has offered a more office style seat that would be easily adapted to the rails of a simrig.
I am 62 years old and don't care about keeping my feet on the floor when sitting, good chair posture doesn't matter, it's a myth.. I want my feet on the desk, on the desk support etc. I also want to lean far back while I watch UA-cam, so I like a chair that reclines a long way back. I have used office chairs for over 5 decades, and a gaming chair for 6 years. I love the gaming chair for my gaming and leisure, I like all the options the chair provides. I am a sloth, I have been in trouble from teachers, my parents, and my wives all my life for hiking on chairs and sitting with terrible posture. Having said the above, I am extremely fit, I start everyday with at least an 8km walk which includes inclines, this straightens out the spine and stretches it. Plus, I have done strength exercises from when I was eight years old. I have never had a bad back or any discomfort from bad chair posture. Chair pain/discomfort comes from being in the main unfit, not getting up enough to stretch and a chair that is probably too cheap. Sitting with bad posture doesn't cause any injury, being lazy and not exercising does, get moving people and your pain will disappear. I sit in a chair for about 8 to 10 hours a day as I game a lot and work a bit. lol Anyway, that's my opinion.
I recently saw one of those clickbaity news articles they run when there's not much going on, and it said based on a recent study simply taking the stairs rather than an elevator on a regular basis greatly decreases ones chance of heart failure (I don't remember the exact numbers). Which while it makes sense, it also implies the modern western lifestyle is so incredibly unhealthy doing literally anything at all makes a big difference.
The thing that keeps me in my Aeron, instead of looking at other options, is the one feature I haven't seen in any other chair. The Aeron (at least the old one I have) pivots at the knee, not under your butt. That one feature was such a life changer, when it came to long term sitting comfort. Do you know of any other chairs that have the pivot forward of the center of gravity like that?
Almost all ergonomic chairs have the pivot point forward of the center of the chair. The Aeron is unique because it is deeper and smoother than pretty much every other chair. When a chair pivots from center, it is called a center tilt or swivel tilt. These are typically found on the lowest end office chairs, and most gaming chairs. -Ryan
@@btodtv Any thoughts on the newer generations of Aeron, compared to the old ones? Mine is the original version, and I hear there have been some changes since that design...
Yea the new design is much easier to use through the entire recline. The tension is super responsive, so you get the same result from 1-2 turns as you do from 15-20 on the old Aeron. I find it really easy to use the full range without any effort on the new model but struggle to find a tension setting on yhe older model to use the whole range. It either feels a bit too lose, which makes me have to for the chair upright or it’s too tight and I can’t get all the way back. Still an amazing recline, especially for something that came out in the 90s but the new one is definitely an upgrade. -Ryan
Exactly the same I knew from a similar explanation years ago... someone tried to gift me a gaming chair for my birthday few years ago and I explained almost all of these. This video not only explained it well but also give some insightful and useful tips I didn't know
What about real car seats? There's few craftsmen here in Argentina that make a metal framework and slap a rescued car seat into it. Quality wise they're exceptional because it's all iron/steel, but I wonder if comfort wise they're as good as real office chairs. Price depends on the seat used, economy car seats are ~200 USD while grand touring ones can raise up to ~400 USD.
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Oh god, I recently had an argument with my teenage kids wanting a gaming chair because of some influencer. The effort I spent trying to explain to them why the ergonomic chair that painstakingly get them a year earlier is much more healthy. Background info, I am IT guy that spent 15 years sitting 10-11 hours a day and got bulged disk, don't want that to happen to anyone, especially with my kids and these gaming chairs are enforcing all the bad habits I learned about healthy sitting in the ears of my recovery process.
Considering you are kinda an expert by this point, what are the most important details about sitting right?
@@muffininacup4060 Ok, if you want honestly my order of prefferences it is this:
1) Standing desk, you will complain for about 3 months until you get used to it, but then if you manage to keep glutes and abs engaged you are life free from low back pain. I am on this point even PC gaming on standing desk. This is cheap if you check some ikea hacks ideas.
2) I got my kids that simply refused standing a table where I got a custom desk with a semi-circle cut out for their torso so that they can rest their elbows on the table surface. Every arm is like 15kg / 33pounds that your unengaged core has to hold so getting that supported 100% is a giant plus, nobody will hold a proper pose for long and this works much much better than chair armrests that are always lower than working table. Yes some "ergonomc" chair is nice, but this table hack does more wonders here in my opinion.
3) fitball balance sitting
The whole point here is that the more comfortable the chair,. the more the mussles relax and throw the load on passive body parts of spine and disks. The only healthy way is to force your muscles (especially glutes and abs as they act as counterbalance to lower back muscles) to be engaged. For me I went from bulging disk to somplete restoration thanks to standing desk and 10min excercises a day in like 2 years and saved myself from disk operation and much worse fate in later age.
Do you have any suggestions on a good ergonomic chair.
@@majorpat8866 Standing desk, sit on a fitball or last resort if you really need to sit cut a semi circle to the table desk for your torso so you can rest your averate 15kg/33lb arm on the desk to eleviate the weight from your spine. No really, the more comfortable a chair is, the more you relax your muscles and the weight moves to passive ligaments like spine and dics. The only healthy sitting is the one where you activelly engages your glutes, abs and upper back so that lower back gets relaxed, and that is principally not achievable in a sitting pose. Sorry mate, physics. The best I know about is standing desk to engage the three muscle sections I mentioned, or sitting on a fitball to engage at least abs and upper back.
I am personally for 2 years on a standing desk to stop the progression of my disk bulging (and it did) and I went the semi-circle custom table desk for my kids (since that is really cheap to cut out).
@@majorpat8866 not the person who posted the comment but what i will say is that personally ive found that an open (think like a net) back is so good. It keeps you cool and has some bounce so it works real well. For the seat, material is personal preference.
all that said, pretty much any office chair works. My current one is a second hand office chair that i picked up for 20$ CAD, and its the most comfortable chair I own.
As someone who's 37 and can easily sit for 14+ hours a day programming and gaming, my mesh office chair is amazing. I have zero back problems. This video is spot on.
I'm 37 also a software developer
as someone whos 28 and uses racing chairs for 11 years my racing chair is amazing, i can sit for 16 hours and have zero back problems
I also recommend height adjustable desks
@@maksymilian-zajacwait till you're 40...
Holy well, you guys remind me of those dystopian memes about people becoming "glued" to their chairs, lmao that's so sad and depressing....
I was also in the same boat a few years ago.Using a crappy Amazon chair that kept falling apart after a year, I wanted something that would last and be better for my back. I ended up figuring that a Herman Miller was the way to go. Very pricy upfront, but a 12 year warranty makes it so it will cost the same or less than replacing all of those inferior chairs. Couple that with the fact that it is super supportive and comfortable in all the right ways. I get zero back pain even after 8 hours.
Same boat. I've been using a cheaper office chair for the last few years, and it's been fine, but I want to upgrade. Makes it kinda hard because I don't stay in one position. I like to sit cross-legged in the chair, slouched with feet up, sitting normally, etc etc. Gonna be hard to find a higher quality, higher durability chair that allows me that freedom
@@RAWDEAL064 I was thinking along the same lines as you but decided that, ultimately, I should get a chair that forces proper posture. It took a few weeks to adjust. I ended up with the high back Cosm by the way.
I was just thinking about this today , I’ve gotten cheap Amazon chairs for 100-150 each and I’ve gone through 4 in 5 years and thinking about a miller ever since I saw the warranty
I came to this same conclusion years ago regarding any product labeled "gaming". In my case it was headphones. Spending $200+ on gaming headphones that never lasted, had no replaceable parts and were generally just inferior to well known audiophile brands. It was well worth and cheaper in the long run to save for a nice pair of headphones. My Sennheiser headphones are going on 12 years old now, can replace the cables, pads etc and just as good as the day I bought them.
Audiophile brands still dont last for me. My $300 AKG's the cables went to shit, the $80 pads needed replacement, and a plastic part on 1 part broke. Sennheiser my pads went but I didn't know you could replace them and gave them away. I still need to get myself a new pair I was thinking the Sennheiser HD600XX from massdrop.
which set of Sennheiser headphones do you have!? I'm in the market for a new headset.
@@insaviour2783 The HD650's. I have loved them and I'd totally recommend someone to try them out. I'd hesitate to buy them blind from some place that is a hassle to make returns with though. The HD650's seem to be split in groups of either love or hate. They are open back and 300 ohm so require a DAC and AMP to push them.
I currently use Hyperx Cloud Alpha headphones, which I bought for under £100, over 3 years ago.
They've held up really well, especially since they're used throughout the work week for me.
The pads have cracked a bit, but that's because I've abused them a lot and not looked after them properly.
Some audiophile brands are massively overpriced and not really built as well as they should be.
I do like Beyerdynamic's budget range, but the lack of a detachable cable is really annoying.
Best general advice indeed: avoid "gaming" products, they're usually worse than the non-gaming alternatives.
Adding "gaming" to a thing's description usually just means it has a higher price, a fancy paint job, and some impractical design choices.
Facts
And yet they are still being sold thanks to twitch and streamer promos 😭
and translates to overprice cheap products made of poorer quality.
Less padding too.
Ooooor.. most people don't wanna spend like a thousand on a Herman Miller.@@no_to_handles
This is gold for me. I got a remote job and my computer chair works for paying bills, or kids doing homework. All day, it is so bad. I also had a spinal fusion surgery 3 months ago, so that doesn't help. I don't have a big budget yet, but i can probably do a $300 chair for now. Thank you.
I bought a used soji chair from eBay for 299 plus shipy 56 dollars
@@truegrizzlesfan2292is it good?
If you live in an urban area with a big tech presence, you can also find cheap used office chairs either on Craiglist or at liquidation centers that resell office furniture from defunct startups. In the Bay Area you can get high quality used Herman Miller Aerons for as low as $350, more than 50% less than what it would cost retail.
Lol, nothing explains startups better than expensive office chairs being pawned off for cheap to regain at least a little bit of the wasted funds @@ooogyman
I'm sorry you had to undergo a surgery which could have been totally avoided by being physically active.
I gamed and worked from home on a crappy chair for a long time. I finally invested in a quality chair and I've noticed a huge difference when it comes to comfort. I would say I regret not doing this sooner but truthfully it wasn't something I could afford at the time. I have that Mavix M9 in the video and love it.
Straight up watching for this video because of the exact same reason you listed. Currently game and work from home on a a really really old gaming chair and have had it for a long time. Looking for something good.
@dawizze1 This is a great investment considering the cheaper chairs last so many years. Assuming it fits your budget of course. I know forking over this much money for a chair can be wild. I was there at one point and was probably one of the biggest haters about it. I would always say stuff like "this chair better do my work for me at that price" 😂. It does absolutely 0 work for me but I'm really comfy and don't get that butt and back ache my old chair gave me. Best of luck and hope you find something you really like.
@@altacalcreative keep huffing on that copium, trying to justify thousand dollar chair that nobody bought.
@RusRus72 Here we go..... Right on queue. Never a shortage of trolls. You even edited your comment 😂🤣.
@@altacalcreative wasted 45 dollars on spelling correction software 👆👆👆
Swapped gaming chair for office chair when I needed to sit in it more then 4 hours when on home office. Never looked back. Also the leather imitation is awfull in the summer. The office meshed chair is way more comfortable
And cooler!
@@Dukenukem leather imitation is awful in ANY context:
1. Gets hot in hot days
2. Does not retain heat in cold days
3. Despite what vegan douches may delude themselves with, it’s more environmentally harmful than real leather
I purchased a HM Aeron chair around 1999. Best. Purchase. Ever. It both looks and sits fantastic. And the cool part about a premium chair like this is that I can get maintenance done on it. It's a design classic that is still produced, there are still parts available for it. After 15-20 years the coasters needed replacement (soft rubber will wear away), the plastic lumbar support was torn, a handle had broken off and the mechanism needed readjustment. I had it all fixed and the chair is as good as new after 25 years and I still enjoy it daily for more hours than I care to admit.
In total I think I spend less than 2000 euros over 25 years for top quality seating that will probably last me another 25, absolutely worth it.
You just bragged about spending less than 2,000 euros on a chair. I hope you hear yourself
@@rayzerot I must have spend a couple of 10000 hours in that chair and it will likely outlive me. Worth every penny.
@@rayzerotover 25 years
I wish the HM distributer in my country wasn't absolute garbage.
@rayzerot don't be poor.
For years I wanted a gaming chair... now that I finally decided to spend some money to upgrade my gaming setup, I don't know what to buy. I did some research and a lot of people are saying NOT to buy a gaming chair. I'm tall and "semi" heavy (110kg). So I was aiming at something sturdy. And that is usally a gaming chair. However... I feel like an office ergonomic chair will simply be more comfortable.
I did some research to decide and now I'm even less decided than before xD
I'm in the same situation. A month passed since you wrote this comment, have you bought anything? Any advices?
@@igors1234 I bought an office chair less than a year ago, and regretted it almost instantly. It is now broken. The gaming chair that I had before that held way longer (although the cushioning on the arm rests gave out too quickly). From what I can see, and what I dislike about this office chair the most, is that when you recline in an office chair, the seat tilts back too (even a Steelworks Gesture for over a thousand euros seems to behave that way)… gaming chairs have an independently-reclining back. Killer feature for me.
So now I will replace this office chair with a gaming chair.
@@igors1234 yeah, so I bought Symino gaming chair. In general I am happy with it. It is comffortable and seems sturdy. Tho it is a bit stiff... it's not a deal breaker. And I'm use to it by now. I'm tall and this one is big enough for me to sit on.
To be honest I had high expectations for a gaming chair and I was a bit disappointed at first... because like I said, it's a bit stiff. But in general I'm used to it right now and I can sit for hours if needed. Time will tell how durable it will be :) I bought it in June.. so it's only 2-3 months. We'll see :)
Yes the seat tilts with the back, it is done on purpose, what is the problem with that?
Had a cheap gaming chair for a few years, was really not good, then I upgraded to a pretty expensive nice office chair that was the same one I had at work, it felt comfortable for ~8h at work so I thought it would be nice at home too, but I didn't like it so I sold it and bought a secret lab titan evo, and it was much more comfortable. I also like to sit with crossed legs, and that was super uncomfortable in my office chair but feels great in my secretlab
I think there are better chairs than gaming chairs, but the titan evo isn't a bad chair. I'd never buy a random gaming chair that's just made to look like a car seat though
I don’t know how this concept of a seat meant to cradle people in a moving vehicle somehow became a thing to sell people sitting at home.
Targeted marketing
It's because gaming chairs were first designed for racing sims. That's why the first gaming chair companies have names like DxRacer and NeedforSeat. It was just meant to imitate the driving experience to make it more immersive. The look took off, so they just went with it as the default design for any type of gaming chair. -Ryan
They're also designed so the driver can sit in them for hours on end without issues. So they're actually very comfortable if they fit your body shape and you don't have to move much.
@@btodtvor maybe the gaming isnt office work and having rigid frame that holds position is desired ...
when gaming i dont need to reach for a copier, phone on the desk write a note or sign a piece of paper ... what i want is to find a position and then spend 10+ hours in that same position without suffering any fatigue from the chair.
which means rigid solid chair that DOES NOT FLEX ... exactlyu the same thing as racing seats in cars that are designed to keep drivers comfortable for hours on end even in moving vehicle that goes over bumps on the road.
and if someone has issues with side "railing" on a gaming chair it just means they chose wrong size of one, just get one with wider body.
You say car seats are comfortable, but I raise you that most gaming chairs are not car seats, they just look like it.
Even the cheapest car will have a ton of high density moss, load of back support, and adjustable headrest up to 7 feet.
Gimme a car seat on a stick, even with half the padding (since you are not moving over inequal terrain) and I'll be more than happy.
I bought a gaming chair once...key word ONCE.
Smart decision to keep it to one time :) -Greg
My wife once gave me a DXRacer for my birthday, and it saddens me to say it was the most uncomfortable chair I ever had. Not only that, but it lost its rubber on the armrests in nearly six months of use, and the racing chair bucket just dissolved after a year. I never planned to buy one. I used a used chair from my old company before, and it was still more usable after five years of heavy office use than one new DXRacer after a year. Now I use a nice office chair from Köhl, which was the brand of the old chair I had before. I think, there are two types of people that have gaming chairs: streamers who get sponsored or people who don’t know what they’re buying. And, to be honest, I look down on people who think the whole "gaming" branding means quality or something positive; it's just a way to squeeze extra money out of people.
I regret buying a gaming chair....
@@DerFreiegedanke "gaming laptop" is the one that always gets me, even normal office laptops often have all kinds of throttling to keep them from frying. Though tbh I've never been into games that required a real GPU (too young to remember when that was basically all games, sorry haha)
@@traveller23e I failed for that once but after some troubles i figured out that thing is just really shitty designed, as expected, and you always need to run all fans on maximum overdrive, that things is loud as hell but now does not die during gameplay. Its nearly 8 years old but still running. PoE works fine and some things like Valheim also.
I think the main difference is, how many gaming chairs manage to last past say 5 years? Most will have the faux leather peeling, the arm rests failing, the seating going flat etc etc. I'm pretty happy with my GT Omega chair as it seems to about the same quality as any other (steel frame, cold foam etc) but was £220 rather than £300-500. Now after half a decade however the seat is starting to go flat, all the seams in the seating have rippedthrough the faux leather.
To be fair, If I can get another seat for it I'd happily sit in for another half a decade. My sitting posture although not great doesn't result in back aches and seems to work with most chairs. The reason for me to go for an office chair is that they actually seem to last. There's Steelcase and Herman Miller chairs in their 'teens' that functionally are still the same as a new one, and they come with warranties that back that up. Gaming chairs mostly seem to be 2-3 years of warranty (warranty that doesn't cover pretty much everything that will go wrong because they'll write it down to normal wear and tear even when it isn't)
I'm nearly 5 years into my SecretLab Omega, almost still like new. One arm has started to crack due to me leaning, and the pillow has a hole. Other than that, I'm amazed how long it's lasted.
Yeah mine is about 6years old and the foam in the seat is completely flattened, it is not a comfortable chair anymore, the leather has held up fairly well though
Why would a 3-year warranty not cover normal wear and tear? Isn't the whole idea of a warranty to guarantee that the item is of sufficient quality to last a given time period under normal use?
My DX Racer chair is from 2016 and all it has wrong is peeling. Everything else is fine.
@@traveller23e Check the warranty of some brands, most will not cover fabric/faux leather wearing out and consider it normal wear and tear. The warranty is for when things actually affect the functionality (arm falling off would be covered for example).
In most of the EU they'd be legally obliged to cover those kind of issues in the first place and they're just doing the bare minimum.
It’s like how bakeries amp up the price when it’s for a wedding, so pro tip: when buying the food and decoration don’t tell the vendors is for a wedding! It will be much cheaper for the same thing
how do you not tell them its for a wedding when the decorations are going to be wedding decor?? lmao
UH.... I must say thank you. After seeing you move the armrest on the Titan chair, I now know that I can adjust them front and back and side to side. I have had mine for over 4 years now and never know it could do that lol. Also I don't find the bucket seat to cause me discomfort at all but to some it might. I have used office chairs before I got my Titan and I will never go back. Being able to adjust the arms to my liking and the sturdier padding of the Titan feel so nice. The office chair I used before made me feel constrained but since it was free, was my folks old office chair, but I hated it so much that I shelled out for my Titan.
Great video as usual. 2 things to note. Steelcase Amia owner here (love the chair by the way I got in 2011 and it has been incredible.) I still find my self grabbing my gaming chair around once a day for a specific task. I also have an extra one for you guessed it my sim racing setup. After it’s all sim racing I want the realism. So that is a point you could have added it is great for people who sim race and want to feel as close to possible and get as much realism as possible. 2nd point, you noted the full recline function is trash. However that’s the reason I grab the chair. I have a tall padded thing I use as a footrest I lay my feet on it and then use my monitor arm to get my big 49 inch monitor high and pointed downward. I use my full recline grab my controller and play laid back games with my controller laying back in a comfortable position just having a good time. So yes an office chair is so much more comfy, however there is specific occasions where a gaming chair is better, I feel like my 2 situations are the only ones. You could also maybe say for looks but I would still rather just get a cool looking office chair.
Months late, but that's an awesome hobby. Props.
You are the most experienced chair sitter I’ve ever laid eyes upon. Simply amazing skill, bravo!
Currently using a gaming chair, not because I was specifically looking for one, but because I just tried different chairs within my (very humble) student budget and the one that was most comfortable without going over budget simply happened to be a gaming chair on a discount.
My only complaint is the armrests being made from some kind of brittle plastic which has started falling apart at the seams, leading to me wrapping them in duct tape to keep them together and cover the tears.
yup in my experience with high end office chairs, cheap gaming chairs are still more comfortable for the first year... but they do not last nearly as long.
I guess mileage may vary. I bought an older Titan with lumbar suport and omnidirectional armrest adjustments before they stopped making them and hiked the price, but considering that my usual seating position is partially reclined, with my feet propped up on the subwoofer under my desk, it definitely does its job and I couldn't really find any office chairs within the same range that suited my particular use case. It also held up remarkably well. Other than the foam on the armrests coming apart from the plastic here and there, it has no tangible damage or heavy wear. That being said, at the current rates I'd definitely look for something else if I ever was to replace it.
I'd say SecretLab is an exception to the usual quality and ergonomic woes of most cheaper gaming chairs. They do make good stuff, but at the end of the day it is a very firm seat and some might something more cushy or flexible. And at that price point you might as well look into a good office chair unless you're dead set on the larger seat you can 'sit' on.
As a 6'6 (198 cm) tall guy my primary concern was proper lumbar support for my height, and the existence of a headrest (preference). The Titan Evo XL fit the bill and I'm very happy with it. That said, if I ever had to buy another chair I will take more time looking into larger office chairs
This!!! I don't know how many people sit but office chairs good god. My so called premium erginomic chair at my office wants me to sit like a crash test dummy. back and legs in a perfect L.
I had the Titan 5 years ago, and I hated it. I got an £50 used office chair afterwards that was significantly more comfortable.
The fact that so many gaming chairs are these bucket seats infuriates me. I bought a DX Racer Classic XL years ago and love it ... but its getting to its last legs. Been trying to find one that has a high enough weight (At least 350lbs) limit inside a $500 budget and all the chairs I find now are these bucket seat. I have wider shoulders those buckets dig into my shoulder blades. The Classic XL wasnt a bucket, it was more of a SUV seat and it was great, if I could find it new I would buy it again. I've looked for office chairs too, but I constantly find that they either dont have a high back or they dont allow forward tilt so that my knees can be comfortably below my waste.
I recommend the DX Wood racer
the problem is office chairs basic angle is 105 degrees compare to gaming chairs who u can choose from 90 degrees to around 170
and i feel like when i game and hard focusing on it, the 90 degrees just feel more focused and into the game
and when i tried office chair, yeah they are alot better in comfrtoable, but i just cant see myself focusing on the game and leaning that far back...
what do u think ?
Just about to say this
what kind of chair would I want to get if I enjoy sitting cross legged sometimes or with one foot under my body, and I also use blankets a lot as it gets rather cold in my home during winter. I've been having lots of back issues with my current chair.
Grow a pair
@@User_92020 grow up keyboard warrior
the herman miller embody has a wide and flat seat; i sit one leg under or cross legged sometimes. can't do that on the aeron.
Secretlabs titan evo. I use it, and I do all the things you said.
Stop sitting cross legged sometimes or with one foot under you body and your back issues will fix after some time. Youre just hurting yourself and asking why it hurts.
Sorry if this isnt the best place to ask, but figured I would try.
I had a pretty bad accident that makes sitting upright in a chair rather painful. So sitting at a desk has been something I have to do minimally. My chair is old and not great, so I've been looking to replace it. The main thing I need is just for the butt cushion to be quite soft, and enough room for easy position adjustment. I've considered just getting a recliner because of this, but there has to be a better option than that. I need something that is soft and somewhat spacious, as i need to readjust my seating position very frequently, so I know I should be looking office chairs. I'm just not sure where to start. If anyone here has any advice, I would greatly appreciate it. :)
I personally prefer recliners, but if its gonna be used in an office setting, maybe an office chair with a kick back stand for your feet. Or just add a cushion to an ergonomic chair. I know this is a late reply, but thought I could help
I appreciate the reply all the same. I actually watched some more videos from these guys and decided to pick up a Haworth Soji (95% Polyester Cushion) during their Black Friday sale. Having a recliner for my desk would have been very cumbersome as I'm in an apartment, so not a ton of space. Although I do plan on getting a recliner for my living room, so it also seemed a bit silly to get 2 in the end. Lol. The chair has been great so far. Still breaking it in, and it makes me wish I had an adjustable desk. A foot rest is something I will be looking into, but am ultimately happy with the choice. :)
@@itranscendencei7964 good for you man, I'm glad you're happy with your choice, just an fyi for the recliner. If you're gonna get a leather one, make sure it's genuine leather or else it'll start ripping apart within a year
I’m rocking a lower priced lazyboy “executive” office chair from Costco. Got it for $200 and of any office chair that I’ve experienced in that price range, it’s absolutely stellar. It’s not flexible, but it is wide and I’m 6ft2 - it goes up just perfectly to the top of my shoulders with a bit of extra padding up top for leaning my neck back on to stretch.
My sister bought herself a secret labs gaming chair - one of the racing looking ones that so many streamers have. When I was over at her place, I tried it and it honestly kinda sucked. I’d rather pull the sparco seat out of my mx5 and use that because it’s way comfier (and wholly unsuitable to sitting at a computer).
This video encapsulates this experience that I’ve had
5:04 perfect evaluation of the titan evo chair: punching its rock hard seat that kills your tailbone.
2:06 woh slow down lady
At least her mustang didn’t mustang and go into a crowd
It was just a family of 5
@@blastoid37only because there was no crowd around
My issue is that I just can't get comfortable in an "office" chair. I've had a $2k Herman Miller Embody. I hated it. The relatively hard thin back is uncomfortable. I need something more substantive behind me. Currently looking at the Evo and hoping it can give me the best of both worlds.
did you end up getting one? I am thinking the same thing
Get an Anda seat kasier
Used to play in a recliner as a kid living back with my parents. Then when they got rid of that. I just played on the couch. An office chair mimics those feelings best for me and makes me feel the most comfortable in as well
Ok, serious question. I'm someone who wants to curl up in my chair; possibly even sitting sideways. What would you recommend? I think I'd want something with even more pronounced bolsters than the bucket seat design.
A recliner and a console with a TV
@@chronodis can't pull that up to the computer desk, though
@@Marewig you wont be at the desk. just go controller PC mode
@chronodis incorrect, I will be at the desk. You are bad at this job, probably why I was asking the professional in the video and not the chucklefuck gallery.
Twist test is the only test necessary
Some have called this "Ryan's Patented Move" 😂-Greg
Why?
@mexifry222 I think they are making a joke. Although by the looks of it, it is a valid test, but it's not the only one to use
The only test required is the Markiplier Rage Toss
It works on anything
Buy one, yeet it as though you're pissed
Breaks?
Buy a higher rated one
@@millo7295 that gets expensive real quick lmao
As someone who has Braum racing seats in my car, I have no issue with bucket seat designs. I never really thought they were a hindrance or restricted movement where ir counts. The only thing of note about bucket seats is that in a car, the seat traps heat rather well but I don't imagine this being an issue in an office or room.
As someone on a standard budget (around 100) the reason I went for a gaming chair is because it had not much but some padding on the seat. Which cheap office chairs seem to be designed to punish you for having an office job by making it incredibly uncomfortable. I guess if I did have 500 - 700 to spend on a chair which is already a laughable amount of money for normal people to throw on a chair. Yes I guess an office chair takes over again.
That’s a very fair comment surprised no one else has made it
@TRBigBen I was surprised as well, I didn't spend 500 on my entire home office setup (excluding latop) let alone a chair.
oh those 500-1000 dollar herman miller office chairs are just as uncomfortable but the 200-500 dollar gaming chairs... actually are comfortable.
Yeah I spent less than $300 CAD, so under $200 US (and I considered even that much to be a pretty big splurge) on my gaming chair coming up on 5 years ago and it's still going strong despite getting upwards of 10 hours of use 7 days a week. The only issue I've had with it in that time is the pleather on the main seat cushion started cracking about a year ago, but I slapped one of those big leather adhesive patches over it and solved the problem for a whopping $20 - with enough of the patch left over for a second fix if need be. It might not be amazing, but it's leagues better than the $50 ikea garbage I was using before it, which /was/ actively destroying my spine.
At the same time, I am a tiny woman so it's possible my experience with my gaming chair has just been better because I'm not physically large enough to have experienced the issues other people have with them.
Why does every chair I sit in make it so my body presses against the back and gradually levers against my mass and slides my butt closer and closer to the edge. Is it posture? Weight distribution? Am I just sitting wrong? I’ve tried to same thing in higher end chair and the effect is slower, but I’d still end up sliding down/ constantly adjusting if I had to be in it for 8 hours
I do this to, I think its just learned bad posture/shrimping. Gotta sorta train yourself to sit properly or long term its bad for you.
@@AshleyBlackwaterI agree but I also think it could be in part due to not having seat forward adjustment. It's a big help for people with long legs
I had the same experience after buying & using a gaming chair. The bucket design was terrible for my size, the reclining function only makes the chair less balanced due to my weight, I rarely use the included foot rest even when it's designed for when the chair is reclined, and the hydraulic stand gave out way too quickly. I stuck with office chairs afterwards.
An office chair has completely different requirements. The upholstery of these chairs must last for at least one shift or working day. In addition, office chairs must allow you to sit for long periods without causing health problems. A gaming chair does not have to meet any of these requirements.
Exactly what are you claiming is required of a gaming chair?
What are the different requirements between an office chair and a gaming chair?
At the same price point an office chair will almost always out perform a gaming chair in any category other than trendy looks.
Office chairs are designed to be a tool used by professionals who expect a tool to do it's job well.
Gaming chairs are a fashion accessory sold to impressionable people who don't understand the concept of cause and effect
@@blackoak4978 Quote "Exactly what are you claiming is required of a gaming chair?" - Noo..
TLDR - Gaming Chairs don't have to meet any requirements. A Gaming Chair has its typical style. usually a swivel chair with a long backrest and a arm rest. All other features are based on imagination and advertising claims.
An office chair, on the other hand, is a work tool and must meet the minimum requirements as such. This must also be proven through tests.
Why are the requirements different? I want to sit comfortably for 8 hours when I'm gaming on my free weekends. I don't want health problems after sitting for a prolonged time. I don't see your point.
They don't have to meet those requirements, but if they don't, they are just bad and you shouldn't waste your money it.
@@dontknowbutcare I'm not quite sure, what you mean. you talk business chair oder gaming chair?
The term ‘gaming chair’ is not protected. Anything can be a ‘gaming chair’, basically anything you can sit on while gaming is a ‘gaming chair’.
An office chair, on the other hand, is a seat for performing an activity or work while seated.
There are rules and laws governing work and occupational safety that are different in each country.
India/Pakistan is a good example where there are no rules/laws for work safety. Therefore, people work with what they have or can afford or without any protection for their health and body.
I've had a number of different chairs over the years. A fully reclining gaming chair could have a usecase if you visit LAN parties (if those still exists). A number of years ago I bought a KAB K4, an expensive 24H chair. Suddenly I had support for my arms with adjustable arm rests! It was worth the price just for that feature alone.
I have a gaming chair, I want to upgrade to a nice office chair but I have used the full back tilt once, I injured my back and having my chair tilted back up against my bed so I could lay in the chair with more support and ever so slightly tilled up with my feet in the bed was the only way I could get to sleep for a couple nights. very uncommon use case obviously but not sure how I would have gotten to sleep if I didn't have the chair
I’ve been on a secret lab for half a decade, and I find it quite comfortable. The ability basically lay down completely is sweet too
It’s probably worth trying both types and getting what works for your personal situation. For example, I’ve got a ruptured lumbar disc, and a $3000 ergonomic chair setup by an ergonomic specialist at work actually aggregated my symptoms. However the lumbar support in my titan gaming chair hits everything perfectly and i don’t have issues. So much so i just brought the Titan to the office.
Hey I noticed the new Asus Destrier in the thumbnail and I wanted to ask if you can maybe do a stand alone review. Thinking of getting the chair but there are not enough reviews or even Reddit reviews. Plz plz make one! Thanks
Coming this Sunday -Greg
I've used many gaming chairs and office chairs and ended up being more comfortable in a old styled second hand armchair designed with posture support.
It is a very not mobile way of sitting since your not on wheels, but as i didn't like my chair moving out of my preferred position for it every time i get up and sit down since i like to stand and pace around while thinking, it works for me.
The stability of a armchair was better for me and its a lot lower to the ground which a takes some practice getting used too, but yea having your feet planted on the ground is so much nicer for posture over long periods of time sitting.
So while I kind of have to agree good office chairs are honestly the best option for the most part but if that still isn't working out I guess I just wanted to say that dedicated support armchairs are awesome too and not just for older people or people with back problems.
I'm glad you mention people who are big and tall. I tried office chairs for years. And they broke under my weight. I'm over 300 pounds and nobody I saw builds them for people my size. I finally got a Secretlab chair and it has lasted for longer than my previous 3 chairs combined and still going.
Is it bad that I sit with my knees up or cross legged in my chair? That's why I try to choose larger chairs because I like to do that
I bought a fairly low expense gaming chair from a large computer retailer in 2016. Only complaint I have is that within a few years the super super thin covering imitation leather just flaked off. In terms of comfort.. probably the most comfortable chair I have ever owned.. that thing looks a mess now.. the cover all flaked off.. still dont want to get rid of it though.. will have to , because it looks awful now... but in all other respects, it still is as good as when I bought it.
My own personal experience as someone who works in an office on some good office chairs for 8 hrs / day ... and someone who sits for long periods in my gaming chair.. I'd rather sit in my gaming chair! But , would agree that if you are working.. as in typing none stop.. or doing work.. you're getting in a chair that supports you in the working position rather than a relaxing position.. thats an office chair over a gaming chair. But if you're not working bolt-up close to your desk for 4-5 hrs straight at a time.. gaming chair wins hands-down for me.
The only office chairs I have experience with are sadly the cheap-ish fake leather ones that start falling apart after a couple years of use. It's also really hard to find chairs _without_ lumbar support, which doesn't work for my spine.
I am not paying $1,200.00 for a chair.
Can you afford it
💀
If you're American you better. Those medical bills will add up to way more than that in no time
@@iFeedRSKitnRoCKTails no they don’t
@@iFeedRSKitnRoCKTailsyou do understand we don’t usually have anything other than a co pay right the memes are actually false while not all insurance is good most pay for everything
I've been sitting on a wooden IKEA Gilbert kitchen chair, 11 hours a day for the past 14 years now, do you think I should upgrade?
I'd love to see a Embody Gaming vs Digital Knit Fern video, and with a bit more focus on slouching and comfort rather than ergonomics! As I'm chronically ill, I can't go to nearby shops to test out the chairs myself, especially when they often don't have these 2 specific models :(
Yeah i really feel like he puts emphasis on things that dont really matter like being able to swing your arms and stretch in your chair. What matters most is being comfortable in different positions you actually stay in and the ability to still use the keyboard/mouse. You could also argue its better to just get up and walk around a minute than stretch in your chair.
Great advice, I'm looking to upgrade my office chair and I love its reclining mode, it seems if I went with a gaming chair I'd lose this.
Hi, coder (and GaMeR, I guess) here.
Honestly, the thing that changed my life with office chairs was the mesh weave back.
HOLY MOLY what a miracle difference. Night and day. Never going back, it's just SO much more comfortable than anything else I've ever sat on for long periods of time
Now try some music studio headphones like a Sennheiser or a simple AKG, you will be surprised how gear designed specifically towards professionals of any given field are always vastly superior to this cheap "gaming" OEM(look this up) slop they push down our throats.
@@Sewersyrup I think he means about the breathability of mesh versus, say, a high-backed leather chair, even if both are office-oriented.
They does not detract in ANY way from the validity of what you said, though
This video showed up on my recommended front page, and I couldn't have asked for anything better tonight! I own a Secret Lab Titan Evo, and while I'm pleased to see it called out as the exception more than once, I have been looking for something more comfortable. Ergonomic office chairs have had my attention, but they are the same or greater investment as what I already own, so I wasn't quite sold. I am now. I was hoping to get some brands and models from this video, and I appreciate you name dropping some of the best for me to look into.
The best chair for gaming is a comfy recliner chair with a cup holder.
I fit probably the one scenario where a gaming chair is better than an office chair.
I sit like a gremlin.
I hardly ever use a chair as a chair, and usually sit more like I would on the ground or a ledge.
The AndaSeat Kaiser I bought doesn't have the vertical braces on the seat like most others do, but instead a gentle slope up. Since I bought the XL version for my height, I have plenty of width to sit however I want to. I do use the side supports on the back of the chair to tuck myself into the corner of it if I put only one leg up on the seat.
I will say the big drawback is the lumbar support is not the greatest, but I usually either don't sit long enough or sit still long enough for it to really become an issue.
Great video, but just like most videos to do with chairs it's usually US where as I'm in the uk and it can be harder to find the links and chairs you guys talk about for obvious reason, different regions
Any recommendations for a office chair?
Should not be more expensiv than 1000€.
For 8-12h (sit-time) and I am using it for my gaming PC most the time.
Today y bought office chair 130 €. Fcking awsome chair. Alot space and soo much comfort sitting in it. Im happy.
@@Sendijs-t6g what kind of chair and name
1:54 As a sim racer myself... I'm in a weird niche that has enough of the equipment to enjoy the simulation but unfortunately I have not mounted the seat. So this is actually my situation lol
I spent £250 on a secondhand chair that retails for £600+ from someone on eBay - guy was just upgrading to a newer chair that better suited his height so this secondhand one was almost brand new and not used much. Best purchase I've made for my home office/den. It's always worth checking to see if anyone nearby is selling their chairs secondhand, especially after the COVID lockdowns and people gradually moving back into their company offices rather than WFH.
The new colamy showed up in this video-you guys mentioned it in your Amazon deals video as well. Any chance you’ll do a deeper look at this chair in the future?
Its coming! It will be live before BF and CM I believe -Greg
Back and neck pain for 20 years with office chairs supposedly made to avoid these.
Bought a science whatever gaming chair, no issue whatsoever anymore. Sometimes neck, but that's if I play 6h without any movement or stretching.
Checked and my chair is a SecretLab if anyone wanted to know
What is the name of the clock with animated weather thingy?
Ive sat on a gaming chair before and it felt of very low quality, the cushion was hard, lumbar support laughable and looked like it wont last long. I bought a hermann miller aeron chair and its one of the best chairs ive ever bought. The cheap office chairs i bought gave me some back problems, the aeron heavily reduced the strain on my back. I plan on buying another aeron for my brother since hes stuck with a crappy gaming chair which also gave gim back problems
I've not been able to make office chairs work, perhaps due to my height? Gaming chairs just seem more comfortable (at least for me), and I like the feeling of being held in place like in a car. I seem to be able to sit in car seats (bucket, not rear bench) for long periods without discomfort too. That being said maybe I haven't tried an expensive enough office chair to give them a fair shot?
If you read this BTODtv, what are your thoughts?
Can you recommend office chair with tilt and with head support moving foward/backward, not only up and down? Nothing too fancy, I just need these two since I game and work from home for 14h+ a day and I sit in wierd positions
Thank you for talking me out of buying a titan evo. Their marketing really messed with me.
What's the best chair to get in that price range, so ~500€ in Europe?
What do you recommend for 450lb 5'6"? Feels impossible at times.
dude wtf I'm 5'5" and a few pounds short of 200, and I'm considered obese
Bad choices for most of my life plus hypothyroidism doesn't help. Out everyday working looking at wrecked cars.
Biggest problem with all of these chairs: they are too expensive! I really wish I could just find a nice, simple chair, that supports more weight that the regular 100kg, that seems to be the norm.
You're over 100kg?
I just googled it actually and there's alot of options for over 200kg holding weight and they are cheap too so idk what the heck you are talking about lol I was expecting stuff like 1k but there are some in the $200 or less. It's a complaint to complaint at this point
@@SemekiIzuio If you are american, they are probably more easily found. Like everything else there. But it's not the same on the EU side, where everything is more expensive, simply due to taxes. Trust me, I've looked around, and it's not easy to find a chair like that. (Also, 200 dollars - or about 180 euros - is not something I'd call cheap.)
@@millo7295anything under 100 is victim weight.
@@DisgruntledDoomer Get a gym membership it will help you after a while. Or eat less food. Youll have more budget for a better chair, while losing weight.
Hey great video.
I've been going into this rabbit hole for couple days now.
And I was wondering what you think of so called "24h" chairs? (Some brands i found: AG Seating, KAB Seating, Iron Horse seating). They seem to be modeled after car seats too. In some cases, like KAB, are even car seat manufacturer. But the chairs are designed for long sittings, for example as security watching screens or something.
They are like these "gaming" chairs that became popular over the past 20 years only way pricier and much better quality.
I myself got a used office chair, (RH Logic 400), good condition, 250 dollars couple years ago. Just recently swapped some parts and it still perfectly fine and much cheaper than buying a new one.
Spoiler alert: never get a gaming chair
I got Secretlab Titan Evo and I think it's worth it
Spoiler alert hermen miller chairs suck and are over priced. Office chairs are not designed to be comfortable they are designed to keep you working and not break.
Are there any options for short, petite folks? I’m about 5’1” and in any office environment, I have to choose between my legs going numb because my knees don’t sit right over the seat edge or never touching my back to the chair back. At home, I’m currently using a padded stool with no back but has the ability for me to tilt around on it.
Me tooooo
i inherited a big open office chair which I've been gaming in for years, its falling apart but it's so comfy i can't imagine anything else
I’m in a similar situation.
That was my situation with my billion year old Ikea, served me over a decade till the back literally fell off. 😅 That thing's fake leather and lining under the chair was shedding all over the place but the comfort was unmatched, I lean and sleep on it as someone over 100 kilos.
I wonder if there is a good stand-less chair for those who sits on a floor/mat and want some lumbar support
whats that chair at 0:17
Anyone figure this out?
I think it's a razor chair
Razer iskur chair
I bought a gaming chair during the pandemic bc I was all of a sudden working from home and needed to save my back. It saved me but I would def buy an ergonomic chair these days. I got the Secretlab Titan and while it’s mostly a decent chair, my main gripe with it is twofold:
1. It doesn’t go low enough that my feet are firmly planted on the ground.
2. The adjustable arm rests don’t go up high enough to be useful for me.
So all in all my short arms make the arm rests useless and my short legs mean my feet are barely touching the ground so my knees are always in a slight hanging position. I’m 6ft2 so that’s really weird to me.
Thanks for this, and sharing your insight!
Love to get the Aeron chair but cost $3K. I currently sit in an office chair from Ikea which cost $450, it has armrests that swivel sideways but do not lock.
used aeron chair is the best thing I've ever bought 10 years ago
Can the tallest guy in your office recommend a chair for a someone 6'5" 240lb with neck and shoulder pain? I dont care for aggressive lumbar just good neck, shoulder, and elbow support. 4D armrest and at least 20 depth on the seat for sitting cross-legged. The most comfortable backrest I've used is on the Serta Hensley but the armrests are unusable and the seat raises my legs too much. Currently use it with the arms installed upside-down and a clamp on desk elbow rest arm but still find it hard to get comfortable aside from sitting cross legged and never feel like I have enough elbow support and get leg pain.
From your videos Im thinking the Fern no lumbar/headrest with an atlas headrest mod or the Mavix M9 to use with my Uplift Desk.
Advice would be greatly appreciated.
Chairs ive tried but didnt like.
Serta Hensley: great back bad arms unergonomic seat.
Steelcase Gesture: Seat too shallow.
Steelcase Leap Plus: Did not lime the back, it dug into my shoulders and found I missed a headrest.
Logitech Embody: Was not blown away, too small for me.
Herman Miller Aeron C: Did not like at all, overrated. Found the plastic on the seat and shoulder area hitting pressure points.
I'm 6'2 240 and constantly had back pain while sitting.
I got to Titan Evo 2, and I can now I can sit all day at my desk extremely comfortably with no back pain anymore.
In contrast to most of the commenters here I wanted a stiff back and something that could support my weight properly.
I love my Titan.
Interesting, I'm 6'4" 230 and I prefer a stiff and tall back rest. I've sat in the Herman Miller Aeron and while it was comfortable I also think it's overrated. Will probably buy the ThunderX3 Core soon.
got the logitech embody gaming chair after watching your reviews for it and well , let's just say that i have 0 regrets , love it
How is it if you move around a lot like putting your feet on the chair or desk, or trying to recline a decent bit?
Nice! One of my favs for sure. -Ryan
@@GoombaNL it feels amazing . i weight 100 kg , 178 cm height .
so i am for sure on the heavy side , i mostly game and sit on the chair 8 hours minimum daily , it got rid of the back pain that the gaming chairs gave me , lumbar support is amazing , u can flex ur back as much as u want without fearing it would break, also i love cracking my back on it lmao . i mean .... it's just amazing
Couldn't agree more. I'm not a big guy but I have chronic back pain. My wife bought the Logitech/ Herman Miller embody for me as a 40th birthday gift. I'd say there was probably a two week period getting the chair adjusted to how I liked it, but after that it's easily been the best chair I've ever sat in. Getting out of that. Majorly reduces back and hip aches. Mighty pricey but so worth it for your back and hips
@user-rr9ic3xb6z How long did you try it for? For my first 2 weeks, I was unsure I liked it at all for the same reason, but once I got the back adjusted right, I couldn't love it any more than I do now. For me, it was about 2 weeks to get it just right.
RAZER ENKI and Asus Destrier Ergo are descent options worth considering.
The reason I prefer a gaming chair (currently the secretlabs titan) over most office chairs is that it feels nicer to sit in while just lounging and/or gaming at my PC at home. I don't like the mesh-backs that a lot of office chairs come with as it kind of feels like I'm sitting in a draft (even though the temperature is comfortable in the room in general). I also want the high back-rest rather than just a neck-rest like most office chairs even though that might not be the most ergonomic choice. I do understand the advantages and differences of the ergonomic chairs as I spend probably 80% of my time at work in an office chair, but it just doesn't feel the same. If I was working from home, I'd most likely get an office-chair as well as my secretlabs chair and switch between them (I also have a sit-stand desk so I can easily adjust the desk to fit the task). I don't know, maybe I'm a gamer-girl at heart lol
i did some digging online and searched a few stores, the only chair which had a back tall enough for me to rest my head and not to have the headrest either in my neck or my back was a gaming chair, i don't use it cause the piston keeps giving out (i'm quite the big and tall fella) so i had to use an office chair my mom bought (and didn't like) and i have had back problems ever since
Thank you man, mind blowing logic!
If you ask me the best seat you can have while doing anything on the PC is an armchair, the keyboard can easily rest in your lap I would argue it's one of the best places you can use a keyboard, considering laptops... issue comes when you try to use a mouse, that issue is not so much because of a platform to use a mouse on because there are armchairs with wide armrests, but if you want to sit in the armchair cross-legged like I like to do if the chair isn't wide enough there is not enough space get your legs crossed. Another thing is that most of the armchairs are too low to the ground which depending on the place where your monitor is can be a big issue so it's quite hard to find an armchair that checks out all those criteria...
You baited me haha.
I was really hoping to see the Destrier review in this video, but I guess I'll have to wait :(.
I'm staying tuned, even more hyped up than before ahah.
Sunday it drops -Greg
Right? Chairs been out for months and it has barely any reviews. Same with Razer Fujin (non pro) my
There haven't been many available to try. Seems like they limited how many were available to the general public. We buy almost all of the things we review so it took a while to track one down. I had to drive 3 hours to get it from the nearest Micro Center, when there was "1" actually available -Greg
What office chair do you recommend then, on a budget (
Thanks. This is one of the most helpful videos on UA-cam! ❤
(The only thing I didn't like was the Temu ad I had to watch before the video started.)
I'm a fairly small guy (only 5'5") but had a gaming chair for a while and got tired of it due to pretty much everything you mentioned: no lumbar support, rigid, uncompromising, and just not a good experience. I think that I'll buy an office chair as my next office/gaming chair.
We all know lawn chairs are superior
I always wondered about the argument about trampoline / mesh chairs vs padded. I love my trampoline chair for ventilation, but always wondered if I’m giving up ergonomics for ventilation. Would be awesome if you did a break down about the two types. Ps gaming chairs have always reeked of marketing over substance.
The gaming chair holds you in place, like a racing car seat does. Think about it; an actual gaming pro is spending 30-45 minutes locked in on a game, pushed forward, then they break for a while in a real tournament on stage. If you're gaming four hours and hours it should obviously be more like an office chair, as that is designed for that use case. Like a racing styled seat in a car makes sense for a race car driver, but would be wildly uncomfortable for anyone making a daily commute or road trip
Ever sat in a racecar seat? Racing seats are actually comfortable. In NASCAR those guys can spend up to 5 hours at once in their seat. Sure it's not upright like a gaming chair but their seats are comfy. Real racing seats are actually really comfy. Most professional race car drivers spend hours almost everyday practicing on their sim rig for the next race.
I think the most important thing is finding the chair you think is comfortable whether it's a gaming chair or office chair. Typically the amount spent is the quality you will get. Cheaper office chairs will be better then cheaper gaming chairs but after a certain point, it's what you like better
I'd add that the desk and the position of your monitors is also part of the ergonomics while working/gaming, so event with the best chair you'll still have bad time if your desk is too low, monitors too far and/or not at the correct height etc.
I agree that gaming chairs are mostly crap, but to me Secretlab chairs offer good middle ground. I used to work on a crappy chair for 12+ hours and had back pain, moved to a TITAN from Secretlab and the pain was gone from the very first day I sat on it.
The Razer Iskur is incredibly bad. Even whilst writing this comment, the seat keeps sinking down.
I had a few office chairs and upgraded to a La Z Boy Winton. Anyways, right now I'm sitting in my $120 plastic webbing office chair from Staples
Where I live, office chairs are twice as expensive as gaming chairs so no brainer for me.
Also I spent years sitting on plastic and metal garden and dinner chair, come on.
Same for me. Around here, a pretty good gaming chair with all option goes for half the cost of an equivalent desktop chair.
I had a cheap-ish office chair provided by my employer. I ended up having hip problems. I had a gaming chair at home that I bought for around $200 and it has helped immensely.
@ShFred where do you live? -Ryan
@@btodtv Georgia
I just saw this, idk if you read old comments, I often wondered about this when using sim rigs. I understand it sim oriented, but racing style seats are best in cars, where there's forces being applied on various axis, plus all the vibration. I find this makes those seats far tolerable for far longer, but in a more home gaming environment I start getting uncomfortable after about an hour or two, and have wondered why no one has offered a more office style seat that would be easily adapted to the rails of a simrig.
I am 62 years old and don't care about keeping my feet on the floor when sitting, good chair posture doesn't matter, it's a myth.. I want my feet on the desk, on the desk support etc. I also want to lean far back while I watch UA-cam, so I like a chair that reclines a long way back. I have used office chairs for over 5 decades, and a gaming chair for 6 years. I love the gaming chair for my gaming and leisure, I like all the options the chair provides. I am a sloth, I have been in trouble from teachers, my parents, and my wives all my life for hiking on chairs and sitting with terrible posture.
Having said the above, I am extremely fit, I start everyday with at least an 8km walk which includes inclines, this straightens out the spine and stretches it. Plus, I have done strength exercises from when I was eight years old. I have never had a bad back or any discomfort from bad chair posture. Chair pain/discomfort comes from being in the main unfit, not getting up enough to stretch and a chair that is probably too cheap.
Sitting with bad posture doesn't cause any injury, being lazy and not exercising does, get moving people and your pain will disappear. I sit in a chair for about 8 to 10 hours a day as I game a lot and work a bit. lol
Anyway, that's my opinion.
I recently saw one of those clickbaity news articles they run when there's not much going on, and it said based on a recent study simply taking the stairs rather than an elevator on a regular basis greatly decreases ones chance of heart failure (I don't remember the exact numbers). Which while it makes sense, it also implies the modern western lifestyle is so incredibly unhealthy doing literally anything at all makes a big difference.
The thing that keeps me in my Aeron, instead of looking at other options, is the one feature I haven't seen in any other chair. The Aeron (at least the old one I have) pivots at the knee, not under your butt. That one feature was such a life changer, when it came to long term sitting comfort. Do you know of any other chairs that have the pivot forward of the center of gravity like that?
Almost all ergonomic chairs have the pivot point forward of the center of the chair. The Aeron is unique because it is deeper and smoother than pretty much every other chair. When a chair pivots from center, it is called a center tilt or swivel tilt. These are typically found on the lowest end office chairs, and most gaming chairs. -Ryan
@@btodtv Any thoughts on the newer generations of Aeron, compared to the old ones? Mine is the original version, and I hear there have been some changes since that design...
Yea the new design is much easier to use through the entire recline. The tension is super responsive, so you get the same result from 1-2 turns as you do from 15-20 on the old Aeron. I find it really easy to use the full range without any effort on the new model but struggle to find a tension setting on yhe older model to use the whole range. It either feels a bit too lose, which makes me have to for the chair upright or it’s too tight and I can’t get all the way back. Still an amazing recline, especially for something that came out in the 90s but the new one is definitely an upgrade. -Ryan
@@btodtv Shoot THAT"s how much it takes to adjust the tension on the old one? I got mine used, so I just figured it was broken! 😅
Exactly the same I knew from a similar explanation years ago... someone tried to gift me a gaming chair for my birthday few years ago and I explained almost all of these. This video not only explained it well but also give some insightful and useful tips I didn't know
Recommendations for a nice and comfy ergonomic chair with adjustable arm rests under 600€?
What about real car seats? There's few craftsmen here in Argentina that make a metal framework and slap a rescued car seat into it. Quality wise they're exceptional because it's all iron/steel, but I wonder if comfort wise they're as good as real office chairs. Price depends on the seat used, economy car seats are ~200 USD while grand touring ones can raise up to ~400 USD.