Amazon Scam PC: Everything is Wrong in the iBUYPOWER Element Mini
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- Опубліковано 19 чер 2024
- At nearly $700, this iBUYPOWER Element Mini is among the cheapest systems we've purchased for review this year. Unfortunately, most the specs were incorrectly listed, and the GPU is... old.
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00:00 - iBUYPOWER Element Mini 167A
03:26 - GPU Abomination
04:55 - Unmasking the Villain
08:14 - Even the Display Output is Bad
09:45 - Tearing Down the iBUYPOWER Element Mini
15:48 - Cooler & Motherboared
21:55 - Thermals - Stock
22:55 - BIOS & Software
25:10 - Gaming Performance & Latency Example
25:29 - Red Dead Redemption 2 at 3FPS AVG
26:10 - Rainbow Six Siege Triples to 9FPS AVG
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is this even a real IbuyPower system and not a scam fake?
If this is true
Huge yikes
I was wondering about that. If the seller was puling the videocards for resale and stuffing whatever he could find in there as a replacement. Would explain the Radeon drivers.
With the exact components that you received? But in 2021 that crazy, why not just use an Intel CPU with integrated graphics
@@xt3100 Can you read?
Finally, a brand new PC that can run retro games at historically accurate framerates!
That would be a plus in selling it,in this day and age of modern game releases recently!?!😬📉
No need for compatability mode! $$$$
Nah, not possible with a missing Turbo button
That Video Card could not even Game when it was New
Think you get more frames on an OG GameBoy.
i actually got sad after watching this. some poor parents probably bought it for their kids with their hard earned money
It should be illegal, I don't see these as any different from those crypto/NFT scams or any other scam online.
That is exactly, exactly what I thought.
Yeah, well, even a cheap product should be worth it's money and as advertised, but to be frank, those would be some pretty financially irresponsible and ignorant people, to buy this in the first place without spending 5 minutes researching it. A 500 bucks laptop would perform better.
That's a very good point. The shopper that purchases a gaming PC at this price point is one that is trying to maximize the value of their dollars usually because they don't have many. Ripping these people off is truly disgusting.
@@pricklycats unfortunatly stuff like this is normal with big companies they just dont care about morals because they can not be stopped. To much money and power in the wrong hands
"If it's a low-end system, they're going to strip it down somewhere, they just decided it to be the motherboard, and the ram and also the hard drive and the video card-- but the cpu's right" what a line.
Where did he say that?
@@MarioMastr at 21:30
He missed re-mentioning the case, though!
lol. yeah
Good for light gaming like Solitaire and Minesweeper.
I have a theory of what iBUYPOWER did with this machine. I believe they had a bunch of these with good AMD GPUs in them to be sold at a higher price point, already built in stock. I think they pulled all the good GPUs out of them to scalp, and threw those Aliexpress spec Nvidia cards in them so that they could be sold.
Imo it's either that or iBuyPower couldn't get GPU's themselves and needed SOMETHING to make a Ryzen system even usable (no iGPU).
@@shanez1215God forbid they just not sell any Ryzen systems at that point, if that's the case.
Even a 5600G or a 5700G has more graphics power than this dGPU. They could have bought a 5600G for $10 more and saved on buying a video card at all.
Good theory, that is probably what happened. I Purchased a $2,300 prebuilt from iBuyProblems that was put together wrong and doesn't work. I don't even know how it could have passed the "inspection".
Thoughts and prayers for Dell, who now don’t even get the fame and glory of being the worst pre built ever.
Ehhhhh... No, I think Dell still wins here. lol
Thoughts and prayers for the poor Ryzen 5 3600...
Dell is so bad, they even suck at being the worst, lol!
They even tried their way of scamming by including the Two year support plan without the customer asking but even on scamming the consumers, they're losing.
Bows head in silent prayer....
Meanwhile at Dell: Quick write that down!!!
12:00 The funniest part in this pre-build is comedic timing of the adhesive tape.
That tape is a professional, for sure
When it popped back in at 18:23 I lost it!
Steve, I'm a technician at the Minnesota MicroCenter; I can't tell you how many of this specific model of iBuyPower desktops have come across my desk the past month.
So the ancient crappy graphics card in that system wasn't a fluke, but is really intended to be in there?
Heyo. Maybe I'll see ya there, planning to pick up some upgrades there when I get my tax return lol.
these pre builts are sick, its even more mindblowing the customer buys it tho i really cant comprehend it
@@RonnieMcNutt666 They buy it because they dont know any better and this company preys on their lack of technological knowledge
yo i go there all the time
My father got me a system like this a couple of years ago before I really know too much about hardware. Believe it or not it was even worse than the system in this video, coming with a GT 730, and running a AMD FX 6300. I was so confused on how my brand new “gaming” pc was running csgo and tf2 at sub 60fps right out the box and running worse than my laptop at the time. Me trying to figure out why it was so bad really was the thing to get me into hardware as I had to scrap money and build my own system. Thank you msi gt 730, I still have you to this day
Hey Walker I have a question regarding on your pc. Did you upgrade and replace the GPU and CPU or did you throw it away the pc entirely. Cause I have the same situation on having the same specs as u and I don't know much about building my own PC. If you did upgrade, do you mind sharing what you did to make the pc better. Like specifically what you bought that replaced your old GPU, CPU, RAM, and SSD card. I bought the same PC in the video as my first ever pc and soon to realize that it sucked. I bought it pre-build cause I had no idea how to assemble a pc only for it to be bad and not even run games that I want to play. Hell I could barely play Gta V in low settings and it was mostly pixelated. I have a GeForce GT 730 for the GPU and a AMD Ryzen 5 3600 6-core Processeras the CPU, a ADATA SU650 SSD 240GB which can barely store anything, and 8 GB of ram. I have no idea what is compatible with the PC and I don't want to buy something that can't be run on the Pc I have. Any tips would be very appreciated cause I don't want to throw away this pc because it does function and I don't wanna waste more money to buy a new Pc just for it to be the same situation as I have right now. Unless throwing it and buy a better pc is preferable?
@@DavidVargas-dy3om so the Ryzen 5 3600 is actually pretty solid and good for a upgrade path as AM4 is a very well supported CPU socket type, if it were up to me , I would definitely upgrade the GPU to something like a GTX 1060, 1660, or a 1650 Super if you are looking for something a lil cheaper. Also if it were up to me I would throw in a extra 8GB of ram and like a 1TB HDD if you are having issues w storage. I’m assuming you’re on a budget but you at least have the Ryzen 5 3600 which is a solid CPU and can serve as a solid foundation for a decent 1080P 60FPS build if you’re on a budget
Here’s a chart if you need some extra clarity
CPU : Ryzen 5 3600 (keep, it’s good)
GPU : GT 730 > GTX 1060,1660,1650
RAM : 8GB > 16GB
SSD : Just keep, you only need for like the OS and other start up things, you can buy a 1 TB Hard drive for cheap and get it running real easy.
These are my recommendations as it’s what I did when I first upgraded. Keep in mind this was like a couple years ago and I have different specs now but assuming you are still in high school like I was it’s a more than sufficient build for 1080P 60FPS gaming, lmk if you need anything else I live for this shit.
@@BillionaireAuthentic OMG thank you so much for the info yes I was in high school when I got the PC. I was thinking of upgrading the graphic card to a GTX 1660 Ti 6GB. But now I have more reassurance that nothing bad will happen if I replace the GPU. TYSM your comment helped me alot.
@@DavidVargas-dy3omDid you do it
Wins the "worse than Dell" award
Oh it's won that by a margin so hilariously large it doesn't even need mentioning.
Nah, I still think Dell is worse. If anything else, Dell seems to try its damnedest to use proprietary shit in everything, so you can't even salvage a lot of the parts if you wanted to.
Ibuypower going after dell
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I love his cascading disappointment the further we get into these pre-built videos. The builds are seriously trainwrecks.
I'm honestly surprised the CPU was right.
Glad I decided to build my own PC, everyone told me to avoid pre-builds. They always overpriced, I am currently collecting PC parts to build my first PC
@@SkateClipsAndTips There's a place for pre-builts. I was going to build a new PC for my game room, but with GPUs going WAY above MSRP. I just bought a prebuilt. A prebuilt that cost the same as an RTX 3070.. with an RTX 3070 in it.
Purchased a $2,300 prebuilt from iBuyProblems that was put together wrong and doesn't work. I don't even know how it could have passed the "inspection".
I guess the 1Gb and 1cm thing came from whichever software they used to print documentation. It probably didn't allow them to specify "no hard drive, no display" and instead inputted lowest possible values
Or its the video memory of the gt „730“
How are companies like this not getting sued? An 10-11 yr old video card in that thing. WTF!
C'mon Steve, that graphics card delivers perfectly fine performance for the 1 centimeter display listed on the product page!
It's still missing the 1 GB hard drive though.
@@scoobiusmaximus9508 Yeah! it's a dealbreaker to have it missing!
Pixel fill rate: 1
Oh yeah, you know it can rock the 144p resolution. Got that, all day long.
@@jtjones4727 I don't think 1 cm is 144p though, more like 1.44p
"We are a professional team, studying in computer memory and storage devices industry for more than 10 years."
That's definitely a combined 10 years.
Hmm, RAM manufacturer is in the market for 10 years, and the GPU in that PC is 10 years old.
Sus.
im mean, there wasn't anything actually wrong that that ram, it could run 3000 at cl15.
It was a typo. They accidently put a zero after the one.
The RAM has better die/ranks than my Corsair 8GB 2400MHz CL16.... lmao.
Between 5 different 2 year olds
“ 1 centimeter, I’m assuming diagonally” I lost it 😂 this is one of the best and funniest pre built reviews yet. LOVE these please don’t stop them!
“Just to make sure you heard me correctly…that’s G, not T.”
Wow lol!! My brain literally did not register the severity on the memory (among other things) until you pointed it out.
There are some things we just assume about on this day and age, and clearly this pc is not one of them.
If anything, that glass panel's frame should be commended for its impeccable comedic timing.
I know, the whole thing with the flipping corner was perfectly timed like it was specifically written for a high-quality comedy movie.
"Ibuypower is trying to improve" - a few minutes later.... "welcome to the worst PC we have tested so far!"
They evolved backwards!
To be fair, this is probably a slightly older model. Not as old that GPU would suggest, but still, maybe older than their current plans for improving themselves.
He only said they improved their QC process. They quality checked all the components and confirmed they were shit quality before shipping, aren't you happy?
what´s the problem ? it is not burning :D
@@MrLince-hr4of The problem is that it isn't burning
Don’t worry, it performs like a 3060ti because of the rgb fans. Everyone knows having tempered glass and rgb matters more than actual hardware!
I love warranty void stickers. In my experience it just means they put their logo on someone else's product and the sticker hides the evidence.
It was literally the case with my replacement laptop battery.
Those stickers are illegal in the US, and have been since 1975 (see 'Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act').
If only more countries followed suit.
I love it when Steve gets angry/frustrated enough to "break out the alcohol" and come up with novel combination of words to describe it: "An impressive abomination"; "The crypt-keeper of GPUs"; "Continue watching the train as it piles up, off the tracks"; "The punch-list"; "pre-chewed cables"; "it sucks an order of magnitude more now"; "faster than even a sloths eye can see"; "incompetent regardless of how it performs" :D
Came for the Trainwreck, stayed for the literary masterpiece.
Ive actually been using the fermi version of the GT 730, its god awful and belongs on a beach as sand, not in a pc.
Should have gone with the 750TI which is actually Maxwell 1.0
~* the more you know*~ to be fair the 750ti is double the price. When the 900 series launched 750ti was under 150$ while the 730 went for 70ish. I had a very tight teenager budget and i couldn't get a 750ti at the time either. And i needed a card because stuff happened to the desktop... But i was very careful in getting a gddr4 version and it wasn't that terrible.
The real travesty is that there are 10 wildly different versions all under the same name.
The 750TI was my second GPU, and is very close to my heart. Punched well above it's weight
@@GalileoAV I used to play VR on my 750ti!
@@GalileoAV currently on a 750 ti when my rx470 decided to go to valhalla a few months back. Ngl, it aint much but it gets the job done. Only game it cant handle on my library is ac odyssey. Best temporary, cheapo gpu definetly until prices become reasonable again (hopefully)
The 750 Ti might be double the price, but also more than double the performance. Where the GT 730 gives you 20 fps, the 750 Ti will offer you 45 fps. And that is with the GDDR5 version of the GT 730, the DDR3 model is even slower.
The perfectly timed, continual cuts to the panel popping off the double faced adhesive had me laughing hysterically.
FYI, I'm pretty sure that the reason things like that RAM sticker say "warranty void if removed" is simply because that sticker contains the batch/serial information which they need to scan in order to process the warranty claim properly in their systems when it's returned. It's purely a procedural/documentation thing, not a damage/tampering issue.
@@Avendesora Yes, which is why _they didn't put it anywhere that necessitates removal for repairs._ I'm not sure whether you maybe actually didn't watch the video (specifically, 20:35, for reference), but the whole point was that the "warranty void if removed" sticker on the RAM was obviously not serving as a tamper-detection sticker here, so the question was why would the warranty be void if it was removed in that case?
I was pointing out that there are other reasons _in addition to_ tamper detection why a manufacturer might conceivably need/want a sticker to remain in place for warranty purposes, too.
Steve: “I’ve given you the conclusion, if you want to stay to watch the train wreck you can keep watching.”
Us: “that’s why we’re here”
The cumulated "fuckedupness" of this whole PC deserves some fines from regulators just for existing.
1. Nvidia naming scheme, which is obviously misleading.
2. iBuyPower for making and selling this eWaste in 2021.
3. Amazon for their solid marketplace quality.
and msi for co-designing that graphics card
@@beardsntools do we know if the graphics card was made/sold by MSI recently? or if it's just old stock from when the GPU on it was a current product? in the latter case it doesn't seem we can really blame MSI.
@@petermichaelgreen I think it was made back then, that would be the best scenario... however, they still sell their old and outdated graphics(but only to other companies), so essentially helping a prebuild company to make rigs like this.
@@beardsntools MSI is shady these days.....careful what you buy of them.
capitalism baby
I bought an iBuypower PC about 10 years ago and it wasn’t a bad system.
Sad to see they slipped so much
I've bought two of them and had good experiences with each (the last one about 7 years ago) but I never bought their complete pre-build. Rather I chose component by component and just had them put it together. I'm wondering if that gets better results.
It was probably the same model LOL
It was probably this same model Grumblekin!...they just slapped a few new stickers on the remaining models, blew the dust off and VOILA! lol!
Sorry Midan!, didn't spot you'd beaten me to the comment by 4 days until now!
I bought one 2 years ago, and aside from the graphics card dying 2 years in, it was good. I did pick each part individually though.
I bought one almost a year ago. It works great.
The extended cord on the cooler being wrapped all the way around for absolutely no reason was both the most humorous and most egregious thing I've seen in one of the pre-built PCs
I kinda like a tight fit on cpu plugs that one is overdoing it though.
They must be pretty desperate. The GPU shortage is so bad, they used 10 years old low end GPU that much slower than iGPU and APU.
They would've been legitimately better off going with a 3400G with no GPU instead...
And you will have hell of a time to find drivers that work.
@@TheKazragore Or 5600G
@@jakublulek3261 I'm actually morbidly curious if that GPU can take the 472.12 driver for 700 series cards, or if it needs 391.35 for 400 series cards.
Edit: just saw they needed the 391.35 driver, lmao
@@Voyajer. Pretty sure it needs 391.35, being a Fermi card.
Seeing its reviews on Amazon where people say they bught these for their kids just to be met with complete disappointment is just infuriating.
lmfo... love the commentary regarding the 1GB HDD... wtf lol. Would definitely be worth something to a collector. Jeezus, haven't seen those floating around as a talking piece since the 90s.
The thing with Amazon listings is that they often change the listed product while still using the same page from older listings. That's why often you will see reviews and mentions of other products under the reviews section for the product you are looking at, which is very messed up :p
Just goes to show, never buy a computer listed on April Fool's Day.
@@felaayuniayunia7273 WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SHITSTORM?????
@@maxfmfdm Don't engage bots, just report them. lol
@@ModernOddity728 but what if it's love?
No wonder it's a scam!
"If it gets destroyed in shipping, UPS is doing everyone a favor anyway". LMAO 🤣
Yep, I agree 🤣😂
Should have called it the "Ibuypower STL" - Straight To Landfill.
don't forget to rescue the CPU!
iBuyPower sold me a DOA PC last year and I was never able to get a fix or replacement. Ended up using the case and power supply and scrapped everything else. Was a shitty learning lesson, but it led to my first PC build. Went from an Intel i7 build with 16gb of off brand ram to an Asus board, AMD Ryzen 7th gen, 1660ti gforce gpu, 32gb ballistic ram, 1tb ssd, 2tb hdd and water cooler. Next plan is a better GPU, power supply and double up the ram.
i didnt know a pc tear down could be pure comedy till today, i was laughing so hard lol, the "twang" of the sticky metal popping up on the glass panel over and over had me dying
IT HAS A GROWTH!
I love Steve's style to review junk hardware, but there's a really mad issue behind that: chinese EVERYTHING fake parts, and a full lack of laws about it. They are hurting really bad a lot of companies (and global economy) with total impunity.
I literally watch these for the humour.
Never thought a piece of metal could have such perfect comedic timing.
Especially the last one bring so delayed xD
There is no overstating how much I love the random molex centipedes in these things
PSU (with a thick german accent): "FEED HER!!!"
I recently started to follow this channel and I love everything I've seen so far.
Great timing comedy Steve, you make me laugh more than your video should!
Great video dude. I wasn't aware of these issues with LMG. Im really disappointed in them.
"Molex Centipede, Buried in the Nightmare" was my favourite boss fight from the Elden Ring beta.
fucking spat out my Mountain Dew reading this
well done, sir
Praise the sun and bless the pot boi
Foul Tarnished, playing as a Prebuilt ?!?
@@thrace_bot1012
ABS Challenger: I command thee KNEEL!
The fact that ibuypower was okay with putting their name ob a system like this and charge actual money for it is mindblowing.
For shit like this companies need to bleed, like repay 10x worth of the scam.
They are world class scumbags, if there was a buck in it they did it.
@@davidgill3356 I bought a ibuypower laptop many many years ago, was a total pos.
@@shanester366 Mine came with broken components, the cpu fan wasn’t even attached and it wouldn’t boot up. I live close by so I drove it over there and they “promised” they would send me one in 3 days with none of the problems. I asked them how they could promise that now but couldn’t get it right the first time? Just give me back my money, they did minus $50 for shipping (after all, why should they have to take any responsibility at all?). They are such unbelievable dirtbags they got busted by Yelp for posting positive reviews of themselves but they didn’t even bother to spread them out or have different people write them. They were back to back to back, all from the same ip address, all with the same grammatical and spelling errors and all just one or two sentences. Not only scumbags but ducking stupid ones too. Sorry for the rant, but seeing this has awakened the rage lol.
Purely made to scam unknowing people. That graphics card is atrocious....
I bought an iBUYPOWER PC when I was first getting into the PC gaming scene, I spent way too much money but it seemed like a good deal at the time. Come to find out a few months later that the CPU they included in my PC was basically incredibly outdated and was bottlenecking the shit out of my GPU.
With their pre-built there's a risk of getting ripped off. My last was custom, I got the components I was supposed to, but the build quality was abysmal. I'll spare you the details, but the PSU wasn't even connected. Never again.
The random recurring *pop* from the side panel adhesive... at first made me chuckle and eventually made me laugh out loud by 18:23
This was hilarious. And tragic, because you just know that unsuspecting parents and grandparents will buy this for kids. Thanks for the video.
Christmas is coming up, this thing is gonna run minecraft worse than lil timmys phone.
Oh man I feel horrible for the kids who will be very disappointed after dad buys this and it can't even run Minecraft at 30FPS
@@dragontales1999 rarely would I recommend buying a console, but if prebuilt PCs are like this?
At least with a console you know your getting a certain level of quality.
@@tmarritt yea I mean the Series S is a decent alternative to a mid range computer until things start getting better (maybe in like 2023 or 2024), then you could sell it or something and, maybe get a used 3070 by then. Either that or the GPU pricing is forever fucked and 1080p GPUs will still be 300 bucks
Not to mention the Series S is relatively easier to find. Found some at a Target once.
Out of all the shoddy pre-built systems you've reviewed, this absolutely takes the sand cake!
Thanks to you and your Team. This information is valuable and entertaining. Keep up the good job.
Thumbs up for knowing the difference between QC and AQ. Love the vids man, thank you!
Omfg i feel bad for all the kids who get these bad builds for Christmas and can't even play a game 😪 keep doing these reviews because these pre builders need a kick in the face.
Strongly agree.
I went with this brand last year based on Linus’ tech tips last year, it’s still doing great. But when a company does shit like this, they get a boycott from me.
Yeah, the snarky reviews are funny until you realize some poor kid is probably getting this exciting "it lights up!" new "gaming" PC for Christmas and then is crushed with disappointment when it can't even launch a modern game.
Reminds me of scams in my country with 'gaming' prebuilts listed as 'i5-10400, 16GB of RAM, 4GB VRAM GPU'. People see the '4GB VRAM GPU' and think it's gonna be great, but if you scroll down and look at the specs, it's actually an R7 240 4GB DDR3. I wrote a comment on the ad explaining how this is a scam and of course the seller blocked that comment from being shown. This stuff should be punishable by law, as it really is a scam. Imagine all the clueless people buying this stuff, only to discover it's only good for ultra-low settings at 30fps(if you're lucky) in most titles.
Like when u buy a pc frim London Drugs or Canadian Tire 😂😂😂*btw dont ever, ever do that!
I don't disagree, but one of the first things you should learn is that VRAM alone cannot be an indication of performance. Just look at RX 480 8 GB or Radeon VII (to be fair, those at least would be at least decent at the right price).
I paid $699 last year at Wal-Mart for a CyberPowerPC Ryzen 5 5500, MSI PRO-B550M-VC, Radeon 6700, 16GB Teamgroup DDR4, 1TB WD SN-580 NVME and it has been rock solid.
11 years ago I bought my first pc from iBuypower with a GT460 in it. Seeing that card in the video gave me flashbacks, although this one seem much more modern. Back then I lived very close to the iBuypower HQ and decided to go pick my pc up in person rather than have it shipped. Two weeks later the cpu water cooler leaked and ruined the gpu. After fighting with them over replacing parts, they agreed to replace the cpu cooler and the gpu damaged by the leak. I went in and one employee came over and swapped out the cooler right in front of me with a Ryobe 12v drill. Dude just straight up went at it. He didn't even replace the thermal compound. I at the time had no idea what I was watching. I literally was still playing games on my xbox 360 at the time and just didn't realize what I was witnessing. Ever since I gained enough experience with pcs to understand how terrible they are as a builder I have made a point to mention this. I have seen the inside of their "Wearhouse" and its more sweatshop than boutique pc builder.
It's "crucial" that ppl avoid to buy those pc's as "you can literally see it" is a scam.
Back to you, Steve.
"Pop" goes the side panel.
The funniest thing with the GT 730 (GT 430) is that it might actually be worse than a GT 710 GDDR5.
IIRC Nvidia changed the naming of their graphics cards to Golf scores at the time (lower is better)
@@j2simpso no
The Kepler GT 710 2GB GDDR5 is actually faster than the trans-generational GT 440 bundled in this POS of computer, mainly due to a far faster core clock, more than double the shaders and far more recent architecture, Fermi GT 710s are obviously crappier than that paperweight GPU that was bundled with this thing.
BTW, the 19W TDP of a GT 710 allows for some ridiculous overclocking potential, from it's slow core clock, 950-ish MHz, I got one of those up to 1,530MHz at 1.32V (The maximum the Kepler BIOS can request) upping the power draw to around 45-55W via BIOS modding, and I had to downclock the VRAM to reach such power headroom, with no performance penalty.
It's actually not that far from a Kepler GT 730 GDDR5 on anything but power consumption, eating up almost twice as much power and generating around 1.5x times more heat.
Appreciate all the guys at GN and this video is very important.
Love that you guys stay on top of products like these. With that said I have owned two Ibuypower systems in the past and both have lived up to the specs and been great systems.
OEMs / System Integrators have been doing this for years, I remember back in 2013, having to talk a friend out of buying a PC with a GT 610 and a core i5, marketed as a "gaming system".
The video card's trash, but an i5 could have been a perfectly good gaming system in 2013 depending on the model. An i5-3570k was solid for like 6+ years after release.
@@evilspoons That's the point. Good CPU trash GPU.
@@EricParker I owned a system with that exact gpu back then. It was a painful experience.
@@evilspoons Still gaming on my overclocked 3570k in 2021, Forza Horizon 5, Squad, Modern Warfare 2019 all run fine. Not great, but definitely playable
There were a lot of weird scams back then. I remember trying to talk people out of building PC's with Power Supply Units that were made by Fly by Night companies.
I would absolutely love to see Ibuypower's response to this video of they're even brave enough to respond....
@@Gubers they confirmed it was sold by iBuyPower. It came directly from them.
nah its just amazon being a scam as usual. third party seller inflating price.
@@Gubers at the end he said that ibuypower built and sold it through Amazon.
@@Gubers Those errors are the seller's fault, he said.
@@Gubers his pinned post at the top says iBuyPower confirmed they built it.
Pre-builts here in the UK are not much better than the USA. We have the same shitty Dell/Alienware, CyberPower in the UK is horrendous as their US counterparts - they sold an AMD 5950X with a faulty motherboard (it was delivered to a friend of mine and I watched them open it up, unbox it, plug in the power lead and nothing so I swapped out everything and worked out it was the board and they refused to accept it back luckily I had a spare exact same board and used that to get my friend back up and running), HP are not great.
I have no idea why I watched this. I am not looking to buy a prebuilt or components any time soon. I didn’t understand most of the more technical stuff. I still watched and enjoyed every second.
Amazing that pre-built PC makers are still putting GT 730's and other extraordinarily outdated and low-end GPU's into these fancy "gamer" systems as if they realized already that most people buying these would be parents getting a Minecraft machine for their kids
Minecraft machine XDDD
would probably struggle with minecraft too
The fact that they are named "iBuyPower" is profoundly ironic.
tbh just with the name I sense scam
Well, it seems you do get to buy the power... to be scammed
"Ironic BuyPower"
Well you have to buy a lot of power,
At least more than you would have to use for an integrated GPU.
With the inefficiency of Firmy, you do end up buying a lot of power to run it i guess 🤔
I rarely comment on Gamers Nexus's videos, but I am so impressed with you and your teams commitment and determination. To test a machine that actually scored 3 FPS on a video game had to have been such a frustrating task. I salute you and you're team.
your*
it's not really frustrating but ok...
At that point is not frustrating, it is hilarious
i dont think its frustrating for Him. Hes too light hearted. He just likes ripping wack companies and products.
@@XZ-III if you dont think its frustrating you've never built a pc or had to fix one
Back when the 1080 line first came out I got a pre-built off iBUYPOWER, I went ahead and threw in the extra money for their "professional wiring" all the cables were run through the side wall where the MB is mounted causing you to have to lay the PC on it's side and having to lay down on the case to slide the cover on because all the cables would bulge out the case cover
loved the pop from the glass door frame after the fan rant
"It's hard to conceptualize nothingness"
It can be applied not only to the missing 1GB drive, but to the whole prebuilt as well, I think
Nothing is the absence of something. If you want to know what nothing is, you need to know what something is.
Space is not nothing. Space is space.
@@Knowbody42 ...you really missed the joke, didn't you?
@@empath69 You really missed the joke, didn't you?
I love how you call things as they are. Unfortunately it’s somewhat rare to see such journalistic integrity at the standard you hold yourself too. Thanks for being awesome! For that reason, I bought a set of your drink coasters for everyone in my office.
YES
Nice profile pic BTW. Great album.
It's hard for some tech content creators to hold companies to account when a lot of their features are fully sponsored by the big companies..... Integrity doesn't exist when they fund your content
@@MisterFribble Thanks, I agree! I actually get replies on UA-cam more about my profile pic way more than any responses about what I had to say. 🤣
Yes, it has 8 GB Ram instead of 16 GB listend, and 240GB ssd instead of 1GB listed, I bought HP notebook in year 2009 and it had listed 1TB RAM, but it actually had only 1 GB, I even protested, but clearly I knew that it was just a typo, not even servers had 1TB of RAM back then.
My nan bought a "gaming pc" from Amazon ages ago and it never ran properly, no matter what I did it was green, games ran at 10fps no matter the settings, I know a decent chunk about PC's now so I decided to fix it up, the drivers weren't installed correctly so the system though there wasn't a GPU turns out it was a gtx 1050ti with 8 gigs ram, she paid £200 for it
Gtx 1050Ti has 4gb
@@andrealves2630 yeah, it had 8 gigs RAM
I was about to buy my first gaming PC for Amazon but I ended up switching to Newegg lol I'm so glad
@@crimsonscriticalcorner9048 8??? 😭😭😭
@@pricklycats yeah I got speccy up last night
That last "thwack" from the adhesive failing.
*Chef's kiss.
The question is how does it have a 4star rating on Amazon with 400 reviews?
I mean nobody would in their right mind give it 5 stars
Because people are really, really stupid.
Well, bots
Morons that give reviews because they are relieved to have the Christmas present for little Timmy, already wrapped and ready to be put under the tree. They will change their minds on Christmas day.
It because they not tear down this pc like GN do. If they ever tear it down, for sure they will choose to build the pc on their own instead of buying a prebuilt. If they do, can you return the pc to ibuypower after looked at that trash? How many people have knowledge on pc. Yourself didn't know about this pc until watched GN video. So do others hundred or million peoples out there. LMAO
Paid reviews
the wireless is listed as "802.11ab" .... i really hope they ment 802.11ac as ab, alongside not being an actual standard, would mean 802.11a or b, wich would make it the original 1997 spec or its first commercial revision from 1999, bosting blazing speeds of 1.2 to up to 11 *Mbit*
but it didn't even have wireless.. did it?
Wait, that is about as fast as USB1.1, so I guess that wifi card is not even worth the money for my Pentium III rig.
But 802.11ac would be fine.
"A" went up to higher then 11.... Quick google says 54, I seem to recall a very few cards that did both "A" and "B" but yeah, still obsolete that was back before G, or N, or AC, or 6...... That'd be quite a far bit back..
@@TheGodOfAllThatWas 54mbit is 802.11g en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11#Protocol
The motherboard was A320M/ac, so it does indeed have 802.11ac, and ab was just a typo.
15:26 your editors are brilliant
12:46 you forgot to check the "voltage: 100240 Volts" 😂
What a complete joke. I just built a PC for a client with a 1650, 16GB of DDR4, a 1TB SSD, 2TB HDD, 7th Gen i5.... for $710. And that's with us making plenty of money on that system and including labor. Such a joke that a "professional" prebuilt manufacturer seems to be getting beaten by a boutique computer building company with less than 10 employees. Ouch.
When companies get big, they begin to do shady stuff because they can get away with it. When you're trying to grow a company, you gotta give it your all. Of course, not every big company is like this but you get my point
What do you define "plenty of money"
I think your lieing unless you live in an impoverished third world company
@@user-su6qf9kb7l He said the PC is for a client, companies usually dont have to pay scalper prices for their hardware because they are buying them B2B, not retail.
@@atomicshade8489 who do you think makes everything?...
@@user-su6qf9kb7l No, no it doesn't. I can get them at my staples for about 300cad. Used 1070s are going for about 4-500 rn
This gpu was adopted by Satan himself and then returned for fear of it's performance
I daily drive that gpu and get fine performance from it
@@thejjgang6338 😳
Love the Peaky Blinders reference
@@gmdking im not lying bro
@@gmdking its fine for what i do
Steve's videos are getting really funny these days. In a good way, don't stop! I cried laughing. Just excellent presentation.
The edits at random times of the metal popping away from the side panel really got me 😂😂
I kept laughing when Steve started comparing it to the Aya Neo, the Atari, when he mentioned that it ran at 3.3 FPS, and straight up died when he pulled up a chart for Rocket League where the integrated graphics worked better, 10+ for Steve's humour, even though I am aware he cried in agony over this system.
Bro you are killin me with the adhesive snap noise randomly queuing in LMAO
Highly entertaining video. Makes me feel so smug I build my own PCs. Sad thing is someone like my father in law would probably buy this rig and not notice it's choked by a ghost GPU. Marketing fines should be administered
You know the GPU shortage is bad when SI's decide GPU's from 2010 are sufficient for a 2021 PC. 🤦
sufficient is quite a stretch
Even cost wise an iGPU has to be cheaper, right? I really don't get it
Hell of it is. They could have still slapped old GPUs in and got significantly better results. The graphics card I'm using currently is from 2014, still runs most games I throw at it around 60FPS. It's limiting factor is memory size, a mere 2GB which just isn't enough to fit all the render targets for a modern game ramped up on settings but if the game offers scaling the back buffer you only really have to drop to 90% to ramp everything except shadow resolution. That's around the time when cards jumped from tens of execution units to hundreds and sometimes thousands in the low/mid range category. I have ran into some games that just wont run smoothly but out of all the random games I've played trying out the myriad of choices to find the handful I like, only two games have been so bad that I couldn't simply dial back to graphics settings that are nice but not a huge loss to drop. Mostly DXVK and better drivers have made those cards shine like they could have if we weren't burning through series so rapidly.
@Captain_Morgan Was looking at putting something similar together for my niece's first PC; was pushing her towards a 10100F and RX550 but she ended up buying a friend's PC because theirs had RGB and the one I was assembling didn't...nevermind that she got stuck with a HDD and 6yo CPU.
I'd love to see two builds at the end of this year. One is the ultimate disappointment PC made of the worst of the worst of the worst parts in all of these pre-built. And the second being the best you could possibly scrounge together. Adjust a few benchmarks, not a lot, just a few to show how ultimately bad and only kind of middlingly good these things can be.
@Unknown Last name I second this suggestion!!!
How would all that jive with one of the better PSUs being 12Vo? 🤔
Lmao I never got tired of the "thunk" of the metal tab popping off the glass coming back during transitions.
This is why I alway try to help my friends get the best deal possible on their new computers. My buddy spend nearly 1500 on a pc with a 3050, and encouraged him to return it immediately and buy one with a 3070 ti for about the same price.
I'm just happy to see a follow up to the MOLEX Centipede. It's my absolute favorite nonsense thing pre-builts do
I love the idea of every PC build now having a 1GB HDD somewhere as a nod to past.
and a WiFi card that supports 802.11ab standard that allows you to get incredible high speeds up to 11 mbps* for b and uncountenanceable 54 mbps* for a
* the real speeds you get are slower due to environmental conditions
@@Apawcalypse_Meow
Ha, do you think you can sucker me into buying such an extravagance? I'm not parting with my hard-earned monies for anything above 300 baud for my telecomputating-contraption.
I would love to be able to hook up my 100MB HD...there's some files there I want. But it's Amiga OS, so that might be a small problem.
@@TheEudaemonicPlague I know you are saying it as a joke but there is stuff to do exactly that, very messy and unlikely to be easy. I did it once years ago, never again.
Just discovered this channel, hoping to learn a lot.
Not much else to add except that I'm developing a game that will hopefully be built in UE5. It's set in 2012 so I wonder if people will appreciate the "1080P benchmark" if we go a bit retro?
Purchased a $2,300 prebuilt from iBuyProblems that was put together wrong and doesn't work. I don't even know how it could have passed the "inspection".
"WiFi ready" had me crackin up so bad, like oh good, they didn't remove a Pcie socket OR the USB ports, great....
They've been pushing GT 710s and 730s for the last ~2 years. I just bought my daughter an A10-8850 APU, which is an old part, for 25$ off ebay a few weeks ago and it outperforms the GT 730 on G3D by 40% - and they're pushing those trash GT 700 series cards for like 100$ when they can hardly do anything at all. More power to these companies pushing them on the market like they're worth something because stupid people need to be taxed somehow, as if NFTs aren't doing a good enough job already. We live in a time of scams now guys, nobody can afford to deliver an honest product or service nowadays.
Say what you will, but the comedic timing of that glass side panel is spot on! Actually impressed they were able to build something with such great character!
Nice to see that iBuyPower is having their employees use The Verges build instructions.
Lmao, absolutely brutal... Was this a serious "hold my beer" moment for system builders lowering the pre-built bar?
No human would make this. It has to be machine assisted part picking. Someone somewhere had a fire sale on ancient OEM gpu's and some dude in china who owns a factory put them onto new dodgy boards and the rest is history.
Even though you told us the conclusion near the beginning, it's like seeing a car wreck: You know it's bad before you get there, but you still have the urge to slow down to see just how bad.
Looking at the details and especially the timestamp at 12:10 , yes it was originally built by ibuypower, but sold by Oceanus Deals, who put incorrect information. If you read through the full product description at the top of the Amazon page, they do specify only 8GB of RAM and a 240 GB hard drive. However, it does gets scammy when incorrect information gets entered into the fields used for the product details and comparisons to make the computer appear better than it is, but that's more on the vendor/Amazon than ibuypower. And I bet a regular consumer trying to return the computer for not having the specs listed in the product details will get stuck in a loop: The vendor will claim they did put the real specs in the full description and it's Amazon's fault for the incorrect information, and Amazon will claim it's the vendor's fault for putting the wrong info in those fields.
Yeah, we like to see you shit on a computer that's obviously bad, but you can also turn this video into a PSA about buyer beware purchasing anything on Amazon from a vendor other than the official brand store.
In short, whenever buying on Amazon, read the ENTIRE page and don't just glance at product comparisons or product detail summaries. Look for any discrepancies between what the full description and the summary says. If they don't match up or some info looks weird, go somewhere else. Also, make sure when you're buying a specific brand of pre-built to do it from their official Amazon store instead of from a third-party vendor.
@@Jtzkb But it can be rather dishonest to imply all the errors and the pricing on the page are from ibuypower when it's the 3rd party vendor doing it. Again, I agree it's a shit system, but they could be clearer on exactly where it came from and who posted the info and specs.
Don't buy from Amazon.
They not a company with practices we should support.
For anything.
+1 on this. I will also add reading the reviews helps too, although sellers often change profiles to get around that. This behavior on amazon just doesnt exist on computers, sadly...
I find it amusing that you are trying to defend this computer and both the company who built it and the seller who sold it. Who do you work for as this seems highly suspect?
@@neilosadchy6265 Read what I said, and tell me where I'm defending the computer, the brand, or the reseller. I already said a couple times here and in other comments that the build is shit, and the brand already has a poor reputation. But if you're going to criticize a brand, make sure it's for something the brand actually did. GN calls it a scam and points out all the errors with the specs, but never explicitly states they bought it from a RESELLER. So shit on ibuypower for the useless build, but also shit on the reseller for the false and inconsistent information on the page and the pricing for what you get.
If GN actually went a little further and actually talked about the scammy crap the RESELLER pulled, then it would be a good cautionary tale to read everything on the page, and if things are inconsistent, buy somewhere else. If you want a specific brand through Amazon, make sure you get it through their official store.
I love how big that heatsink is and that little dot of paste looks so silly lol
I love these videos both because and in spite of the fact I dont know anything about computers. He just starts saying numbers and I'm like :)
For the same amount i got 3600, 16gigs of 3200 CL 16 ram, a B450 Tomahawk, Samsung 980 1TB SSD,Inno3d 1660 Super, Corsair 550W PSU and an Antec GX202. technically it was 56000INR ~ 730 US $. Granted it took me two months to get every part from separate vendors.Dang PC market be evil now.
those wouldve been my pc specs if it wasnt for the shortage
I have a question. Why do you buy a samsung 980 meanwhile b450 doesn't support pcie gen 4 nvme? You could save money by buying a 960 or other gen 3 ssd
@@dillongracia884 You're talking about a 980 PRO a 980 is Gen 3
@@ssj2richard sorry. i thought that the 980 still use gen 4
For some reason, the sound the tempered glass kept making as it came unstuck made me lose my shit. This series is gold.
gonna play that sound on repeat to help me sleep
I absolutely lost it when they kept repeating that clip throughout the video LMAO
the noise from that side panel failure makes me giggle more than it should
Thanks for the early conclusion but I’m here to see the box cars flip off the track