Inside the Hateful and Lonely World of Incels | Asmongold Reacts
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- Опубліковано 25 лис 2023
- Asmongold Reacts to Uncovering Incels Documentary
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Idk what's worse, a bunch of kids making their inability of finding a partner their whole personality, or a society who vilify virginity.
That's like saying a cancer patient, abuse victim, ptsd veteran, drug addict, etc is making that their personality... No, this is a victim whose life is being ruined. More support should go towards these people. They should get speech therapy or preferably talk with ai rigs...just dont get attached to an ai
@Vuldin7 the difference is that Incels are a victim of their own choices
@@Vuldin7true, its truly sad that most of society treats them as predators(there is ofcourse risk of them doing dumb shit) but they need help, all of them could form meaningfull relationships if they change their mindsets and took basic cafe of themselves. Those guys dont understand that most of the time for every male loser there is a female loser lol.
They're both equally bad. And neither side will admit it.
@@strzelamcementemzlokcia1030as soon as you start simplifying women to being just “females” that’s when it’s kinds your own fault you can’t interact with them
“Woman are penis vampires” has got to be one of the absolute dumbest and funniest sentences iv heard in a long time.
He’s right you know
@@memenazi7078 cringe
@@memenazi7078wrong
@@memenazi7078Are you by any chance in the video?
If u get a good one she is lol 😂
99% of asmongold's audience feels targeted by this video.
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That's why he watched it, its why he's watching so many incel videos... he's trying to reach out to people he connects with. Its bro support...
But some of us are just on the fence.
100% 🤣
How dare you
Never forget that the "femcel" subreddit had to be made private because when men found out about it they flooded their DMs looking to date them.
Never fails to make me chuckle 😂😂😂.
There is no female in/cel.
lmfao
@@j.d.s.8132 They want to be the center of attention so bad that they'll act like "Having TOO MUCH choice as just as bad as having no choice!"
That makes perfect sense
Aw bless
i like how they show the guy as like a tech expert, saying he made a server for them, having him holding a laptop. when later they show its just a discord server lol
Also, making a server ain't hard if you know what you're doing. Anyone can do it with the proper knowledge.
Documentary's fault making it seem like he created a fkn supercomputer
Well females try to give him some Chad traits to make it more marketable
@@Remedy462technically nothing's hard if you know how to do it, but setting up a Discord server is too easy to be eeven counted as impressive.
@@Remedy462 It's complex but the pretty colors of the discord interface and the nearly endless possibilites, make it a fun toy for kids. That's why every 12-yo has a huge complex discord server.
What's interesting is that, once you ask the right questions, these guys are talking about being depressed, defeated, and worried about their life. None of them talk in detail about their hatred towards women, and instead keep going back to their fears. The irony of a handle like involuntary is that they are the ones holding themselves back for the most part
It's like social anxiety. Technically i keep isolating myself right? But it's killing my life and it's just some part of me, that I can't win. So it's still involuntary, can't deny it
I’m thoroughly convinced that the tendency to seek like-minded online communities is a seriously aggravating factor for the majority of them. Without such communities, they would at least have a chance to come to their own conclusions and perhaps be motivated to find personal meaning. Instead, they’re just spoon fed easy and resentful misconceptions, often dispensed by online gurus, aka conmen, turning in a juicy racket from all those disenfranchised young men.
That’s what algorithms do too - show you similar stuff to keep you on their platform - devs could set algorithms to show contrary view stuff to certain searches tbh
@@Zeburaman2005100% the likes of Tate and redpill ideology gurus have exploiting the fact that progress in society has been focusing on other things and the tradition male roles in gender are going... there is a void. And content creators peddling their bull shit have lapped it up and made a massive industry built on a self forfilling ideology that just makes it worse for young boys and promotes misogyny as masculinity. Now that social media is personalised to each user and what posts that user would most like, everyone online has fake news because no 2 people are having the same experience with the Internet. That also promotes echo Chambers that lead to very strong devides in society. We are screwed. 🤦♂️😂
I can relate to these people in a way. I never had a problem with girls at school, into my 20’s. I was decent looking, outgoing, reasonably in shape. Then I began to struggle with my mental health. I was making the wrong lifestyle choices, partying too much, smoking weed all the time and hanging out with losers. I put on nearly 50lbs never once
thought it was my own fault. It was “everyone hates me” boo fuckin’ hoo. Was single for nearly 6 years til a good friend snapped me out of it. Got me into the gym and away from ppl with a negative mindset. 2 years later I met my girlfriend and we’re still together. If you’re going through it, I feel for you honestly. But stay out of these groups that keep u in the downward spiral
Only community I got fam
Having gf was never a normal thing. It was popular due to lack of many occupying time passing activity. No shortage of those nowadays. Young people are doing what they normally would.
@@WhiteGearedhi iq
Weed bro, Weed takes away the motivation for even getting a girl, cos you can just feel good when you're alone when normally you'd feel painfully alone
How did you meet?
I worked with an incel for about a year. I legitimately pitied the guy. He was always miserable at work and would find ways to put a negative spin on anything anyone said in conversation. He was like, 28 or 29 years old and openly talked about being a virgin with people he'd just met 15 minutes ago. I literally tried to be this guys friend and it's like he just didn't know how to be friendly lol.
He probably thought you were making fun of him. Or humiliating him. Probably because he had that happen before.
@@Sercer25well that’s stupid and silly to believe, treat others how u want to be treated.
@@missperfectluxury7630 that's so funny that's how I always treated everyone, right up until the umpteenth time 'friends' just stepped all over me, people you've known your whole youth just absolutely dumping you over a few hundred bucks in shared rent they needed to pay back or some broad that came in between.
Oh wait, yeah, I shouldn't have tolerated that, right? I should've not put up with that.
ah, I see now, how that as well was my fault
I really, REALLY wish I could be an uncaring asshole, I just don't have the psychopathy for it
@@missperfectluxury7630 you've never had someone you trusted or cared for humiliate you or made fun of you.
@mountainvalleymedia5836 hits too close from home for me.
I wish I had the psychopaths in me but I taught that I was supposed to be a good person and always respect other even if they don't respect me.
Nothing good ever came of it.
I still do that. Because it's the *correct* thing to do in society.
Fuck my life.
I knew a guy like this a few years back, self identified as an incel, was toxic, constantly talking about his looks and how the world was set against him... Then he got a gf and suddenly changed his entire tune. I can't say for certain what caused the change, but i imagine his twisted world view was shattered as soon as he realized that there were in fact women willing to date him. Most of these guys aren't unattractive, they're just not 10s and have the personality (and social skills) of a beached whale carcass.
But how did he get a GF? Just through luck? If you have no social circles and are autistic or similar its extremely hard to get out of that situation.
@@drageras it's actually a case of just stop whining and they could be instantly more attractive. voila
@@murdendev not really. but go on.
@@dragerasthe girl might have made the moves on him
@@murdendev Stop whining - do such bluepilled people really exist? Incels fall into two categories - either so ugly and/or short that they are invisible to women, or, like myself, autistics who have no idea where even to find women. Tell me now, I'm a Ukrainian student, 27 years of age, where can I get a GF? I've made a Tinder profile, got a few matches, they're mostly from other towns. I'm clueless. A therapist has told me about some art gathering in my city - even then, I come there, how do I actually form a relationship?
- Adûnâi
"Hello Female" is insane 🤣
It's based tbh
It's crazy how these people side with hard right views and prefer male interests, yet act like they hate women and are unable to form families. You know NS Germany targeted antisocial men as a root cause for societal downfall
define "woman" in modern day then... go ahead. This guy is just being very specific
@@iller3 yes... is a very specific term to signal you are a virgin.
They probably agreed with their friends to say that because its funny.
As an autistic virgin who turns 30 in February I think a lot of us are autistic and need help. but society seems content to kick us while we're down instead of helping us.
You have to learn how to help yourself first, society isnt objectively good and cannot be depended upon.
It sucks, but it just is what it is
perhaps this is true.
i work with adolescent students who are on the spectrum and it is a wide thing that is unique to the individual. some young men just struggle with social anxiety and/or just lack social skills. i've learned not to judge these young people since i can't relate to their situation but aim to just maintain a positive environment for them.
Hey I want to tell you something that helped me as an autistic person. It may sound like a joke but it isn't. I attended local furry meets. Many states and countries have furry groups. Everyone there is awkward and it's great. Go find someone in that meet who is sitting alone or not really talking to someone and talk to them. It WONT be comfortable, you WILL feel nervous, even afraid. Do it anyway. I Hope I can serve as an example to show those feelings are 100% normal and expected. It's not a comfortable process at first at all. Use your awkwardness to keep a conversation....be like "oops here's the part where I don't know how to continue a conversation lm so sorry I'm awkward" and they will relate and you can keep a convo going that way. Is truly amazing
Dont feel bad, they do that with everyone. The ruling class doesnt see this as a need for attention since theres no money in it and the working class would begin to give 1 sec of a fvck if they werent too busy being slaves.
given the statistics, anon, there is someone equally autistic out there that doesn't look it on the outside, just for you :) stay strong king
Bros going after his own audience 💀
[Friendly fire will not be tolerated] 😂
While there's the loud, violent and insane group, I think there's far, far more men who would be considered incels that are instead just defeated. They've given up and quietly avoid even trying relationships or most social interaction anymore because they're tired and afraid.
I’d say the majority of incels are either defeated, hella introverted or socially awkward to a crippling degree yeah. The violent ones only end up as incels cause people figured out they weren’t good people to be around to begin with
No one feels bad for incels
I agree with bort, some people just have to accept that they have dogshit genetics, and their life isn't supposed to be lived, but suffered through
Bro, if you are defeated, that is on you. The only one who can bring you out of that is you. Also afraid? I'm quite confused what you have to be afraid of?
The majority of men are just jaded, but the media like to paint the picture they're all incels, well media, social media and females.
It sucks for the average guy in this now polygynous society, and it's only going to get *worse*
The death of an empire, not with a bang, but with a whimper.
We've reached a deeper level. I'm pretty sure people pretending to be incels doesn't make them real incels. They're just idiots.
The word “Incel” is used against any men people disagree with.
@@Spartan69117true lul
@@Spartan69117tbh people call someone a nazi or a fascist, cause they don't agree with them, too
I think these are men who just few bad experience with girls or didn’t go well on dates and just decided to associate as incel and not date anymore at all.
As one guy said ”no you are not an incel even if you are dating”
Yes you are even when dating, as incel is you are seeking/desperate of getting love and relationship or just losing your virginity but can’t no matter how hard you try.
@@TheRealRealMClovin i dont think anyone platonically dates anymore
“Just take a shower bro!”
A lot of these men aren't even "ugly" it's literally just their attitude and the way they behave. It's exhausting that they're so obsessed with what's on the outside.
attraction relies in more than just the face, wich we can't even see here so you don't know
Yes so true what the heII even is Hypergamy anyways lololol
This is true I’m 5’4 had multiple women had a child got married got divorced and now working on marriage number 2. The losers who left the dating pool have honestly helped me in the pool 😅
@@jordanazevedo5688good for you but potentially bad for the rest of society in the long term. Just look at Japan
It's just another flavour of victim mentality. Poor memememe, they just don't like me because (insert whatever reason). And it sucks.
The biggest prison on earth is your own mind.
also prison...prison is pretty big and way worse than your mind...you know, because it's fucking prison Dr. Professor.
3deep5me
@@sooperd00p except not even prison can fuck you up like your own mind.
How deep
@@SpikoDreams doesn't have to be deep to have meaning
Imagine being an incel AND living in Australia... Truly a hellish existence.
The worst life once could live
Your missing out. Freediving is great there!
why whats with australia ?
@@musashi542 Everything can kill you and it's full of hot women.
@@musashi542 do you want to live in the same country as sam pepper and ice poseidon? nah
Went into this thinking I'd just get mad, but I honestly feel bad for these men. They're so sad and lonely and just want to be cared about by someone. The guy that was going to the gym to better himself really got to me. He's genuinely putting in the effort to better himself, and I hope he finds someone.
There's a lot of hate in the incel community, but I firmly believe men need a better emotional support system in society. They feel like no one cares about them and that they're truly alone. We need to treat men better and society needs to show them that they're valued.
When the whole incel thing first got big, after a couple of murders, I started lurking in the r/braincels (or whatever it was called) subreddit.
At that point they had already had to move to this particular subreddit because theirs had been shut down... Again.
I went in as any typical Normy does and said all of the typical Normy shit at first. The more I stuck around and watched both sides, the more I started to feel for them and resent people like myself coming into what could be seen as a support group, getting offended, offering unwanted and constantly repeated "advice" (more often in the form of judgements) and picking at them.
Yes there was probably too much dark and toxic confirmation bias going on but its impossible to tell how much of what they say is hardcoded belief or just venting with people who understand.
People need to keep in mind that regardless of whose fault it is or what they need to do for better results, these guys have known an entire lifetime of nothing but shame and rejection.
Asking the average person to just smile through all that and put your best foot forward every day is unrealistic and careless.
Whatever solutions we have to help these incel guys will not work work. Honestly I don't think we have any solid idea how to deal with this problem yet. Clearly all those solutions and guidance and what not out there, have failed to cure these 'incel' problem and in my opinion, it backfired. I'm not saying we should just shame them and abandon them like that but if we genuinely want to help them, we have to think a different method to approach and help them to rise again.
BUT
As far as I can tell, we don't have one yet.
My motto in life is “statistically speaking somebody has to”.
If you want to write a book, but are too afraid to start because you think no one will like it. just remember that there’s so many people in this world that statistically speaking somebody has to like your book.
If you want to have a relationship with someone, but you feel like no one likes you. There’s so many people in this world that statistically speaking somebody has to like you, they may be in another country.
If you feel like you don’t know what you want to do in life and there is no career out there for you. There are so many careers in this world that statistically speaking there is a career out there for you. You have to keep looking and keep searching (think outside the box too) even if it’s in other countries.
Don’t look at the cards that were dealt to you. You are the dealer, so start shuffling the deck.
shuffling cards, eh. i bet even playcards were invented by men.
ok
Statistically speaking, we have a 50/50 split between men and women, so your absolute best odds are that there is one person out there for you at any given time. This is if you do not discriminate at all.
If you have any type of preference, based on age, body shape, personality, etc etc, your pool of eligible candidates shrink. If you are in an area where there are more men than women and you cannot move, your pool of eligible candidates shrink. Then when you do find people you are attracted to, you now must find in this group a group who is attracted to you and is single. This overlap might not exist.
The odds are not actually in your favour. And the older you get the worse your odds are.
Statistically speaking many are not willing or able to work that hard or wait that long.
Then again, I'm speaking for myself👍🏿
Psychology is crazy. when i was in my early 20's i thought i was ugly like them. Now i recently found some old pictures from back then and i'm like "dang i was actually decent"
Yeah man. I was frickin' shredded back in the day and but thought I was Quasimoto-tier at the time. I mean, my hair was crap and I should have shaved it eons ago, but dang, totally wasted that bod.
So are you a humble person or overconfident now? Because those 20 first years have set the tone. They programmed the brain. Usually the people that had to grow confidence in younger ages seem to be more humble when older. The overconfident in younger ages.. well they become to confident many times. It's interesting how it works.
@@Syphirioth definitely still humble lol. I guess it's like being poor your whole life and then becoming rich vs just being born rich. You feel it differently.
yeah. when i looked my highschool photo now as 33, i had razor sharp chad jaw. but when i looked at mirror i remember i never saw anything good and cried and acted weird in general as a result. didn't even go to highschool graduation ceremony. what a waste.
chemicals are crazy. probably a good girl experience would have fixed me.
also had passive parents that didn't raise me outside of just providing.
Lol same
"build his own chatroom" -- it's just a discord channel
That was funny to me too.
Learning how to talk properly did wonders for me, holy shit. Seriously good advice from mr Gold here.
I’m honestly only 2 minutes in so idk how this pans out, but I actually felt really bad for the dude that said, “I think my mom knows I’m a loser.”
That feeling is soul crushing. Hope these lads figure it out.
Inpatient group therapy. I'm serious
As a mother of boys, that broke my heart.
I feel quite bad for them, but a good proportion of their problems are between their ears.
@@Threemore650 I’m a father to 2 boys and one girl and idk what I’d do if any of my children felt this way.
@@dagmastr12 agreed entirely
@@bskwair3597 it’s a very pernicious side to the internet. I’m glad my kids are already grown.
Who do you worry the most for?
Things are so out of balance imho.
I think one of the main problems is that due to social media and how that messes with people's psychology, men and women both have higher standards for their partner than for themselves
Actually... All evidence shows that in general 80% of women compete for the top 20% of men, and this is what causes many "left over" men. This same paradigm plays out in nature as well.
@@joebauers3746 maybe it's because I grew up in a poorer area but none of the people I see getting married are top 20% anything lmao.
@@seekittycat most divorce soon
@@seekittycat if you grow up in an area where there is only one rich dude, the guy is only gonna take so many women, he aint got infinite endurance either lol. So the environment matters as well. And in poorer areas standards can also be lower. While i look like a normal dude here where i live, im supposedly hot in my home country. Might also be some cultural preference. There are a lot of factors at play in the end.
Yes and no. Females have created incels by constantly rejecting these young males for seeking after older males/men for their resources. Social media just made them worst because now they're able to go after the 1% of men while still ignoring the young males who are around them everyday. And you're wrong about both having this "higher standards" for their partner. Men standards for a female is very simple. She must be in shape, submissive, feminine, and a helpmate. A woman standards are ridiculous and only belongs to the 1% of men. They want a man that is wealthy, tall, attractive, stable, have a home, tend to only her needs, she wants him to be emotionally, she wants him to protect her, she wants him to not work as much, and the list goes on. This is why arrange marriages were in place. Women do not know what they want.
"built his own chatroom" - opens discord.....
I wonder if he said, "I made a discord", she didn't know what it was, he said "it's like a server to talk to people", she thought it was cool and described him as "making his own server". If he wasn't so openly hostile towards others, I doubt he'd be an incel. He has the social awareness of an edge-lord: "hello female" but could obviously be interesting enough to interview. 100% he just gets in his own way because real incels have convinced him that it's women's fault.
The moment you become an adult is when you realize everyone around you is just trying to live life the best they can and are all just as stupid as you are.
This needs to be told more. Because it leads to responsibility and accountability of ones actions. Instead of always looking externally.
This has got to be the best video I've watched all year
For the past 10 years people have mainly communicated by phone, and now society is bashing men with poor social skills. What did they think would happen.
Parents didn't teach you that phone screen is just a bunch of dumb pixels and that lack of real life social contact with other people is harmful and degrades your ability to socialise? 100% parenting issue. First thing you tell someone you care about is if something can be addictive and to be moderate especially when giving a phone or a console to a kid
The victim mindset wont help. Well yes, situation might be difficult right now but its never too late to start learning. This is the only failure: the resistance to learn and work on oneself. If people stay the way they are its not a tech companies fault. They do it willingly.
Pretty much yeah, also the “pick yourself up by the bootstraps” comment above me lol, I’m honestly quite deep in this community and you begin to see patterns, like the bootstraps stuff, it gets a bit tiring but it’s fun I guess
Anyways, Hypergamy is getting higher and humiliation rituals are too, from conservatives to communists, liberals to libertarians, even anti feminist groups all seem to blame men endlessly, for one reason or another, seemingly not seeing accountability is a thing when it comes to women
This can be seen through most comments if you read between the lines, always saying… “well it’s not because you look bad u suck…. It’s just ur personality!!”
And other stuff such as the “discord/Reddit mod” stereotype is meant to make a villain out of bad traits, and mixing them up to serve them accordingly, to one way or the other, this is true for the word “incel” as well, meaning “involuntarily celibate”, but now apparently just being a buzzword for anyone who dislikes women apparently
The words are pretty confusing, but the name “truecel” only applies to some, those who have had such crippling negative experiences that they seemingly can’t do anything in life, romantic opportunities are like water in a desert, abundant in hallucinations yet so so far away in reality, with Hypergamy, this just cranks up the heat to eleven, somehow they survive still even with such conditions, not being paid as much, instantly being associated with negative traits, being seen as unlovable yet endlessly mockable, and not even being seen as subhuman, for a Neanderthal would be treated better then them, these are the people I feel sympathy for the most, the disenfranchised by means out of their control, somehow still living in a space that doesn’t want them there, but is so in noticing of their existence that they linger around till the light is snuffed, I’ve honestly only seen sparse sympathy for incels, and even less understanding of them, and I’m sure snide comments are just another piece in the pile for them, and the pile is large
@@Randomlad56 I wish you the best, the world may be against you be it's powerless if you have enough will and determination and courage
Amazing that we've come to the point that the younger people on the internet have NO clue what kinda crazy stuff we saw back then. Our parents didn't know anything about cyber security or tor or anything. My daughter has no clue why I'm SO watchful over everything she does on her tablet, and honestly I'm not sure I look forward to the day she's old enough to explain why.
At least tell her that youll explain it later, or say its for your safety... just doing it without any appearent reason will make them dislike you
Bro the moment that "piss of shit" is 11 you tell her EVERYTHING,no its or butts you tell her EVERYTHING (by the way I call every kid a piss of shit because they are,I mean I was a kid,I know how they are)
@@hellkaiser1366 Ooooo wow your so edgy and cool, you call kids "piss of shit" 🙄
@@Vuldin7 Oh for sure, I always explain the best I can, I won't pretend it's easy though. Kids ask a lot of questions, and not all of them have an age appropriate answer. And she isn't very happy to hear that she's just "too young" for me to fully explain some things. I've told her she may see people die, and her response is "so?", because she's only ever had the experience of a grandparent and cat passing, both who just quietly went to sleep. So to her, it's not scary in any way. But I can't really explain further in that the deaths on the internet are often graphic and violent, etc. Just like she knows certain body parts are private, but doesn't really have any concept of why. Unfortunately she's at an age (8) where she'll probably have more questions than I can give full answers to. Honestly not sure what age longer explanations will come, but I think it depends on the kid, so we'll see in time.
Also, it's my first shot at being a parent, so by no means will it be perfect, I just wanna do better than my own lmao
@@davidhayden6481 cyber security and such is a problem. Your daughter, if she's smart enough, will soon enough realize that you're doing bs and will find a way to avoid your interference, then she will learn everything she wants on her own. After that, it's unlikely that you will be able to build any sort of trust or connection with her. So many parents do the same mistake over and over again, it's terrifying, really. She's not made of paper, don't make her hate you.
Being an incel isn’t “losing the genetic lottery” or any bullshit like that, it’s depression and lots of other inward emotions being focused on other people to make themselves feel less bad. Most incels aren’t necessarily bad people, they more likely than not just hate themselves and are too lazy or depressed to better themselves and improve their lives. If you hate yourself and treat yourself like shit then how can you expect others to love you.
I used to be a good person
It's all about genetics.
Hello females in the comment sections.
Wow, 230$ will get you a woman. I HAVE KIDS ,I don't want a girl I'm done ❤, love the channel
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Ai Girlfriend was invented 😂 jump on the 🚆 🚉
"i'll just go back to my video games, start watching anime again" i feel attacked here
The world of social media has undoubtably changed the expectations of many on what people are in real life. This skewed view is the root cause of this madness. People have no self-control and this is why dating is in a terrible state and the rise of extreme groups has grown ever so popular.
Ofcourse they don't have. Self control is the hardest path. Forgiveness is the hardest path. All theese hardest paths are very silent. Not much pilgrims these days ;)
spotted the incel
@@sodlaflarewhere is the incel?
Interesting how they push the violence created by incels but not blame what causes them to be incels...
You and your speech therapist did a legendary job. Well done!
I think this video highlights another issue which is the identity crisis that Discord is going through between deciding whether it wants to be a social media platform and heavily moderate its platform or whether it wants to be a VoiceCom application similar to Ventrilo back in the day. Ventrilo had no moderation, it was simple, easy to use, and straight to the point. I think that's what Discord wanted to be but for some reason veered toward the mentality of Reddit/Tiktok moderators.
Not for some reason. It was to make money.
@LordKeram which doesn't make any sense because of section 230. If you aren't liable for what is said on your platform then what is the point of moderation?
@@DP-bj3jwbecause they get funding from the pentagon to censor and moderate certain groups. Same as other platforms.
@@DP-bj3jw if i had to guess, server costs. They're small, but they're still there.
Kinda surprising that she asks if it's a hardline to not be dating to be an incel. Incel literally stands for "involuntary celibate" so it is basically a requirement by definition. Though seeing how they behave around women you'd think they're actively repelling women on purpose.
That was a very cartoonish version of "incel."
When you try an fail enough, you steer into the skid.
Honestly, at least actively doing so gives you some illusion of control.
"I can't get girls with effort? May as well reppel them with minimal effort"
🤷🏿♂️
@@V4Nowor just don’t do either and don’t care what happens either way. Like just be natural. Funnily enough, people actually like that.
She did the research lol
Asmongold is amazing when he turns into the man with WoW as his only tool. The parallels that he draws are extraordinary.
making fun of them makes it worse, having compassion is the best form of fighting it.
true.
But elevating oneself by devaluating weaker and vulnerable people without having achieved anything of significance is a well-cultivated strategy of our modern world.
The fact that people choose to call themselves incels is just proof that everyone needs a community. It's sad but true
Well, yeah. Humans by nature are tribalistic.
calling yourself incel is same as calling yourself a republican, a gamer, extrovert, apathetic
its a term that define some males but media love using it as a insult or trying to show incels as bad people who hate women for no reason
@@DoofyGilmore12999/10 times most are like Elliot Roger. I don’t blame the general masses for it. Can’t just sit around and expect to be given a gf.
@@Half_Bl00d_H3R0 did you believe that while you write that? there is dozens of millions incels (many males doesnt know that they are incel) out there and how many incel mass shooter are there? 5? 10? 15?
@@Half_Bl00d_H3R0youre speaking from ignorance if you think 9/10 are like him... Do you realize how many incels there are in these communities
so there's parts throughout this where asmon (and many others) say things like "well the problem is doesn't know how to talk", "Maybe if he did this instead", yadda yadda yadda. The thing is that they may very HAVE BEEN normal before. But because they couldn't get a girl, they start questioning things, which is fine. Self reflecting is good. The problems start creeping up when after they've done some self-reflecting and try to improve on certain things they felt they were lacking... they still get rejected. Then they start noticing a lot of negatives going on that doesn't make sense to them. Like how the "bad boys" got the girl for example. They end up going down a different route in life since they put to much weight on being able to attract someone, and that's because of the very emphasis that society(_bottom text_) puts on it. Can't get a girlfriend? Something's wrong with you, and people like to have closure on stuff just so they can feel better without feeling super confused. A lot of these people start off completely normal (unless they're on the spectrum) and then become shattered versions of themselves. They lost the plot. They stop caring about what weird behaviour they have now because they fell into the thinking that nobody would want them anyway. That's where it get scary tho, and better hope they have some other purpose
you sound a little too logical and caring towards your fellow human. sir, you need to mock these people like everyone else. their real world life experience leading to their perspective is not what happened. it's all their fault, get with the narrative bro.
@@theBROWNbanditPnah i think we should make fun of you instead, seems more logical
@@Akynam I think they were being sarcastic, to be fair
The Black pill always comes to collect. Noone escapes physical reality. Even Chad eventually
I fully understand the young guy at 7:25! When you swiped 100.000 women and only one or two is even closely interested in you, and then just ignored you without any reason, what else should you think of females? We live in a deeply broken society.
Right?
It makes you feel like you are leftovers in a fridge that no one wants to touch unless they absolutely have to.
I was on 5 dating apps for 3 years, payed premium briefly on each, and had zero in person dates
As an Incel I don't hate anyone and some of my closest friends are women, I think a lot of us are just unlucky. when it comes to dating I can't get past the first date. One woman said I don't show enough emotion but I'm not an emotional person. I did kind of recover from severe bipolar without meds though, took me until 28
I just hate how much women deny shit like this .
Those aren't your friends, just some passersby passing time. They may even have fun with your status among themselves when you aren't around.
Your issue is that you're placing the importance of life on women. It's incredibly sad to base your life around finding a partner, there is more to life than that. If you focus on yourself and spend time doing things thaat you enjoy whilst improving yourself in aany way you can, then prospects of dating/women will follow. But seriously there's a whole world of opportunities out there and nothing will change unless you actively seek change.
@@AdamJHuntley You concluded wrong. Maybe I did once based my life like you're saying but that was long time ago. I'm placing case by case evalution for my current lifestyle which is based on freedom, security and fairness. Convenience is the enemy of all of the above. In this case, people are choosing convenience of labelling.
@@WhiteGeared I was commenting to tea dawg the OP, yes I don't know anything about your situation so I'm sure that's not something you base your life on now
honestly, most of these young men just need a positive male role model in their life who can point them in the right direction, give them a bit of encouragement in their life, and teach them some social skills... it's why they flok to these groups on the internet, but instead of positive they get negative affirmation there.
Take it from me, it's not a sure result. 🤚🏿
@V4Now that's why I wrote 'most'
Its a mixture of hopelessness and thinking everyone is out to get you but that one guy with the 12 year old... Straight to jail my guy you need help.
That was put into the video to paint them as a dangerous group, the entire group doesnt share the same interests.
@@Vuldin7 of course not we know its the one guy.
"Why dont you go right over there and take a seat?"
Middle east disagrees
@@rotgutthebloated4730 if you live there sure but im not worried about some other country. Its not my beef.
It wasn't enough for society to reject these poor guys and shove them into a corner, now when they gather together online and reveal that they hate the women who hurt them to the point of hating all women, they're to be exposed for being misogynistic? Are women ever not the victim in our society?
Don't you know accountability is a Woman's kryptonite?
8:00 he is like the opposite of a narcissist, he thinks all eyes are on him due to hate rather than superiority
It's called vulnerable narcissism
I think that the actually important thing is not thinking that you are superior, but thinking that you are the center of the world. My impression is that the more narcissistic you are, the more you tend to suffer due to your shortcomings, since the more you value your self, the more difficult it is to accept its limitations.
All I'm gonna say is this problem exists, it's noticable, and it's growing. Whatever we've been doing have done or suggested to do clearly isn't working so we need some major change up in mindset on how to approach this
That's not going to happen anytime soon and we all know it. Nobody will take it seriously until enough of the current generation's demographic becomes like this, to the point of being undeniable anymore.
its literally social media and forum echo chambers that create these people. Most people go through a short phase of this "no one fucking loves me" type thing usually around highschool as thats the first time most people realize the world is a cold place. Most people would just move past it over time and realize its just in their head.
But now many people get into these echo chambers that reinforce these negative thoughts until they become etched into that person's character and they go from someone who is sympathetic to becoming a hateful scumbag.
This is what happens when people get terminally online at a young age.
@@sinjin8576 Not everyone
No one’s gonna listen lol.
Speaking as an incel l, this haven happening for years and it’s not popular to admit society and women might be fxcking up on how they treatment men lol. So it’s just gonna get worse.
These people are suffering terribly and instead of being given support and understanding, they are vilified, derided, mocked, and humiliated. I dearly hope that one day soon people can discover empathy and compassion.
the issue is that they're saying horrible things online that doesn't justify their behavior
They are the bicycler shoving a stick into their wheel spokes. I'm not wasting my emotional currency on them.
you’re right. they seem like such a nice respectful interest group. they don’t even use racial slurs or anything like that
@@LakeVermilionDreams Just don't be shocked when they "burn down the village to feel it's warmth" as that expression goes.
@@slicedtopieces That's not an argument to treat them with respect. It's not anyone else's fault they are awful people.
This seems like a PSA for mental health issues. I personally have a slew of mental illnesses but I also realize that I have them and that it's a sort of social repellent. It took many years but I am well aware of it now. It's a mess when you start a serious relationship and you don't even know what's going on with yourself and especially so for your gf/bf. It took me over 10 years to realize that I created a toxic relationship each time I dated. They didn't start off crazed and emotionally unstable, but they ended up relying on substance abuse and self-harm. So it has been a little over a decade since I avoided any sort of emotional or sexual relationship. I know I wouldn't be a suitable father since I lack empathy and responsibility and I also don't care enough to re-wire my personality to not cause emotional harm to the person I'm dating so I avoid it altogether. I can at least do that much. When the primal urge to mate comes around it can easily be solved without risk of STD, pregnancy, arguments, or financial losses. ✋
I get why some dudes are this way. I never really had issues with women, if I wanted to date a girl, I was charming enough. But men don't have value in society and it's only gotten worse. Society does not care about mens problems, mens healthy mental health, any of it. That really is the case. Women are propped up at large. When I was suicidal and trying to get help, I had to go to a hospital for a few days and the psychiatrist I had said the same thing that asmon said "Society does not care about you or your problems". And it's true, and that actually helped. I felt bad but then I was like "fuck it" and just did what I needed for me, because no one else would. I was recovering from sexual abuse from my dad, and no one would care.
Well, yes, game was rigged in favor of women. You still can try to play the game at disadvantage, but personally there is no point.
I let go of this expectation that society is supposed to care about me and I feel a lot better now. Whether people care or don’t care, who cares? we all die anyway. That’s how I see it
Your dad was gay??
@@user-ui4cu6fy4i Not caring for it's members is how society ends up collapsing, because people who weren't cared for stop contributing to said society.
I didn't really have a girlfriend until I was 26, got married 2 years later. I think people need to know its okay to not have a GF or wife
Disagree, it's not that it is okay. It is more of what you are comfortable with and at when.
If you are comfortable with living alone by 35 years old, you really won't feel any need or motivation to go out and seek a partner.
From a broader perspective, this is not exactly okay as it does mean you are not comfortable with adapting from single lifestyle to a partner lifestyle. HOWEVER, in such stressful mordern times, it is *Understandable*.
There is a diference between Okay and Understandable, which is that even if your situation is understandable, doesn't mean you don't need to change.
@@Jaroniteand if they're comfortable they're whole life then what?
@@xxkjayxx320 It's their freedom to remain at their choice of comfort.
Say if they are, for entire life, it's doesn't mean they don't have a problem througout.
@@Jaronite I guess I can agree with that
Damn married after two years? Good luck lol
I've had 3 girl friends, now I'm happy being single, I don't really want to be in a relationship anymore it's more peaceful that way.
Genepool W
I just found your channel and I love your reaction and realness u rock dude❤
And the thing about who gets mad first is so spot on there are times I know I'm objectively right when arguing something and the person just says something and in trying to fire back it makes me sound angry and then even I feel like I'm losing the argument even though it will be something I know I'm factually right about.
Using "incel" as a derogatory term can be harmful, especially when it's applied broadly to men who struggle with forming relationships or are celibate for reasons beyond their control.
I mean "being celibate for reasons outside of their control" is were the name "involuntary celibate" came from.
The issue is attaching all the extremists who are misandrists/misogynists to the group which is just "I cannot talk to people".
@@Temperans That's called "people with no social skills."
@@SkeleTonHammer Yep it feels like they deliberately go to the most extreme people and say, "yep they are totally crazy". While ignoring all the people who are like "let me go back in my room and play more games and watch more [insert media here]".
@@TemperansPersonally, I don't think the literal meaning really has anything to do with what incels actually are currently.
The people who are just virgins who have troubles with communication are on an entirely different planet to people who actually identify as incels.
@@nuclearsimian3281 Nice lumping in people who have mobility issues, people with mental health issues, and people who have social skills but lack many of the other qualities women tend to look for.
It's sad how young those guys are. Their lives barely begun and they already gave up. Most of them looked physically ok but their self-esteem is so low they convinced themselves that no one will ever love them and get bitter.
I just wanna give them a hug and tell them they're good enough.
Definitely, but the fact that fucked up dating apps are the primary way to find relationships now, isn't helping too
how tf accepting the truth that you will stay single is giving up on life? Only thing that matters in world is not being a virgin?
@@MikoDnstIt's not the primary way, simply a new one. I do think people tend to rely on those because it is definitely easier of access.
@@DoofyGilmore1299I think they were not saying they gave up on life. Just that they already gave up, so earlier in their life. Like they gave up on giving themselves a chance to love themselves etc.
@@Chaolice Well, males bodies become fully mature at the age of 20 a vast majority of the time, so you can't expect to go from EDP445 level attractiveness to Henry Cavill level. I do believe that if you graduate from university with zero success in dating life, taking the black pill is the best option.
My favorite thing about Asmongold is that he can tell the truth from his own perspective while making it clear that not only is he speaking from experience, but that he’s willing to be proven wrong, but will also stick to his opinion until he actually is proven wrong.
These guys bring eachother down... like with any echo chamber...
Reminder that not all incels are like this. I'm technically an incel but that's just cause I don't leave my house because of depression and agoraphobia. People confuse woman haters with incels
this people are not even incels cuz they chose to not date so its not involuntary
What is agoraphobia?
Only stupid people. My best friend was an incel and jumped in front of a train because he couldn't take loneliness. Nice guy, never even cussed let alone insulted women. Some people are just too ugly to find a mate and we should be kind to them.
@@TheSonOfDumb it's basically a fear of leaving your house/room
@@TheSonOfDumb Generally speaking, fear of going outside, though it extends to fear of open spaces, being away from home, crowds, and public transportation. It tends to be tied to various panic disorders for some reason nobody's figured out yet and naturally leaves a person's social life crippled. At least in this case, it's a valid enough reason even if it still needs to be treated and dealt with.
"They're in their late teens and early twenties"
So are they incels or just virgins?
every incel a virgin, but not every virgin is an incel.
@@TerryBear167 BUT! we just learned in this very video that some incels AREN'T virgins.
@@TerryBear167 nah, non-virgins can have a 3+ year long dry spell which makes them incels.
@@TerryBear167😂
They're just young
Picture being a slightly insecure male of this age watching this content... gaslighting you from both ends. Its not the same world I grew up in during the 90's lol. I want kids, but I feel sick to my stomach thinking about bringing one into todays world.
Its a spooky thought, I think I could have ended up in a space or a position to slide into one of these incel spaces when I was younger and had much less experience and self worth.
Asmongold dark internet history knowledge is astonishing
Always funny when people say ‘Caveman mentality’ as if we don’t have instincts
people really think they are waay smarter than they actually are.
What?
@@Tuber-sama what?
As if we are not caveman... We are, its just our caves became a bit more luxurious and comfortable.... Thats all we are...
@@petkofuchalski9809 yeah, but a bigger brain and practically a century of domestication won’t change what’s within, the cells and DNA still do as they did
Incel just means involuntary celibate, its not an ideology.
Right, and the point he made early in the video about someone who is waiting untill marriage being an incel is wrong, they're actively choosing to not have s3x. But overall, asmon has a pretty good take
@@alexplemmons1922 yea those are volcels
Almost like terms evolve over time to include ideologies that didn’t exist when the word came into prominence
@@wigglepeeks5573 sick mental gymnastics bro. care to elaborate how this word evolved over time to include ideologies?
@@Cheapshot420420 are you dense? The fact that it’s used to cover the entirety of the “Incel movement” rather than just be a dictionary definition lmao. So yeah when a word becomes synonymous with an ideology it’s safe to assume the term has evolved a bit. That’s not mental gymnastics that’s grade ten linguistics
I managed to become an incel while being in a relationship and stayed as an incel in the relationship for years. Then I ended the relationship. I am still an incel but at least don’t feel as humiliated by it.
Did you lose your money when you were in relationship?
@@al-imranadore1182 thankfully we were too young so neither had things straight financially
This is hilarious, the same people that are anti bullying are the same people that make a documentary making fun of nerds that’s can’t get layed.
@@user-ec4yw5hj3r well muslims do terror strike like that around the world every day and they arent making any warning docus about them now are they.
@@user-ec4yw5hj3r incels often support rape, misogyny and violence against women. making it as simplistic as "one of them did something bad some years ago" (which isn't true, there are more violent cases connected to them) or "they're just nerds and you're making fun of them" and ignoring the hatred that causes people, specifically women, to dislike them even more is just completely disingenuous lmfao
Where were they making fun of them? Genuinely asking.
the whole time he is on screen @@ghostofsilence2697
@@ghostofsilence2697 like they care. They need something to start off their film making career. You don’t understand women if you would you would never doubt this comment for a second
Im glad asmon is taking a look at twitch chat's experience.
😂😂😂
theyre all over the comment section coping xD
A documentary about the average Asmongold viewer.
the reality of it is that if you go through life enjoying your moments it will gravitate people towards you. sometimes a step away from the internet is needed, sometimes it may be health or breaking addictions, but focusing on yourself and the moments you have will always attract people towards your energy. no one will be alone forever if they live their best lives.
But living my best life is watching youtube and playing video games inside
Honestly as someone whos been doing this for 15 plus years, I'm getting sick of it.@@bro918
Pausing on the frame with the pictures in the background "i know one way you can improve this" i spat my water out
Dude, knowing all the gore stuff of the internet is a blessing.
Been on the internet from 1999. What a journey that we have made it to podcast,reactions and clips era.
It’s a blessing and a curse. Hardly feeling that moment of shock that something extreme like that exists in peoples minds and brought into reality. Having to pretend to be clueless when someone had to show you this crazy thing they found.
@@bradleytrease2290 Definitely a blessing and curse. There is some benefit in seeing just how monumentally fucked parts of the world are. Can be awkward though when someone says I can't imagine the things they've seen, meanwhile I've seen ISIS videos filmed in slaughter houses... reddit had some wild gore rabbit holes back before they banned them.
Same here. The most depressing moment of my life was when Iphones came out and gave every stupid person with hands access to a place they didn't deserve to be and ruined it. I miss the old internet, back when people called me a nerd for playing computer games.
Websites weren't actively taken down. You could find anything. A blessing? I wouldn't call it that, some disgusting stuff you'd unintentionally find. But on the other hand, you could find anything. Everything was unfiltered so it definitely was a different world. This new generation couldn't even imagine lmao
Now we have to have our language restricted to middle school levels on certain platforms. We are adults, and sometimes SEEING and SAYING ugly things is necessary for SURVIVAL. It's why children instinctively watch school yard fights.
Our family got the internet in '95. I gave myself deep emotional scars very early on. Nothing phases me anymore. 😅😬
My first shock video experience was, very unfortunately, one man one jar. And I had lived a very overall sheltered life up until that point. Needless to say, I still can't hear glass crunching together without wincing 😂😂😂
The time when internet was fun
At this point it is clearly a societal issue, not purely self inflicted. Everybody knows this but it is easier to higlight the crazy incels, and blame the individual.
Maybe it's not even an issue but a natural step that we can't see the meaning of yet. Chads are rare and so are INCELS. That's nothing new is it?
@@SaintKinesmost people are just average normies mingling with each other. The few Chads are with Stacies. And the bottom ones with nobody
It is definitely a part of it, but they have psychological issues and bring this upon themselves, sadly. Effectively they just experienced life. They got sad, bad things happened to them, people were dickish. Good morning, that's literally everyone's life experience and most people are kinda depressed, but they keep going, coping and escaping whenever it's possible. It's an issue people have to fix by themselves, you can't change society. What do you want society to do to fix that? It's impossible, so no solution there.
My father died when I was 14 and still in school. My grandpa who I loved a lot died a few years later. I got bullied like crazy because I was chubby and my mom poor. They even mocked my dead father. I knew a few people who didn't care or were nice, but I never had any friends in school and spent the time after with internet stuff and games. After I turned 18 I did sports and worked on myself and became skinny, got my first girlfriend, they literally line up when you look halfway decent and improve yourself, and I'm just an average college student. It's kinda disappointing to see people cry like that, you have to get up if you want to improve your situation, there's no way around it. These people know the solution but decide not to do it.
I just gotta say: I really appreciate your perspectives on things, Asmon. I don't necessarily always agree with you (though I think you're spot on in this video), but I genuinely respect your opinions because you put thought into everything you say, aren't afraid to admit if you don't know something, and never come across as biased for one side of an argument or another. Thank you for sharing honestly all the time. 💜
yikes
The etymology of the term incel is so completely fucked in popular culture. It mostly gets thrown around as an ad hominem attack or driveby insult, as a misandrist pejorative in echo chambers or as a general insult directed at misogynists. You also have people who aren't incels self identifying as incels, possibly they are autistic or very young and saw the term used before coopting it. While traditional "incels" are not insignificant in their numbers, the term's use rarely meets common qualifiers online since going mainstream and is mostly a mask for other forms of intolerance and prejudice. The fact is regardless of it's origin, it's just a slur now that people from all walks of life, all ages know too well.
I mean these people identify as incels and have a collective mentality of hostility towards women I don't see virgins having a hard time getting laid as incels and they don't identify that way, they're just virgins. Incels themselves have branded themselves in a way that is worth scrutiny, they have a community where they actively harbor hatred towards women and have claimed the term.
I too own a thesaurus
@@wyatt7203Use it.
Nice word salad there mate.
not unlike "fascist", "commie", "pig" or whatever
I think I remember seeing a report that claimed a significant majority of people labeled incels are autistic, which if true would have interesting implications, as I view incels as a symptom of men's mental health being largely dismissed.
I am autistic and never had problems getting laid and im in a long term relationship. You can and should learn social skills, especially if youre autistic. Of course it depends where on the spectrum you are, but if you have the social skills to socialize with other Incels, you can do it with women too. Plus there are lot of neurodivergent women too and they don't seem to have those problems.
Its their overall mindset and victim complex. Its a lack of social skills, misogynystic mindset, feeling of entitlement and not willing to work on themselves. Its always the others that are the problem. It's never them.
@@lucalovespopculture3743 Cool an exception to the rule. I'm autistic, have never gotten laid and have never been in a relationship. I prefer the company of animals to people. I'm able to work with women (about as well as I am able to work with any person). But I cannot charm them. I also operate under the mentality that if a women is nice to me, that they're always doing it for the sake of being nice.
Also there are indeed neurodivergent women. But the social ramifications of being autistic as a women aren't as profound as they are for men. Women aren't expected to ask men out. There is also a reason why there aren't as many women being diagnosed with autism as there are men. Its simply not as easy to notice. A shy women isn't exactly a red flag for something unusual.
@@ShadowPhoenixMaximus Yeah, cause women have a much harder time getting diagnosed in the first place. The diagnostic process was made for young boys. Often they get misdiagnosed with BPD or not at all, cause they show different symptoms than men do. So i would argue not getting diagnosed and not being able to receive help has a lot more ramifications for your life.
Also my whole social circle and family is autistic and they all had relationships and got laid. I totally agree that it is harder and can be extremely frustrating. We as autistic people struggle in general with social stuff. I didn't say it's easy, but not impossible by a long shot. Also it doesn't excuse becoming a mysogynstic incel.
Like online dating worked really well for me, cause i just had contact over text and could warm up to the person. It wasn't a direct social situation that way.
Also what i meant with "Theres a lot of neurodivergent women" was that neurodivergent people just vibe better with other neurodivergent people. So maybe searching for a neurodivergent partner would make it easier.
I think one issue is the expansion of neurodivergent categories. Unfortunately, while being diagnosed with autism may help some seek out help or learn to cope, many will just use it as an excuse to never put in effort.
The bit about women and girls showing different symptoms is a dangerous myth being spread by the illness faking community. The reason it's harder, and takes longer for women and girls to get diagnosed not just for autism, but for an array of disorders is because disordered and disorganized behavior is stereotyped as being normal in girls.
When a girl exhibits extreme shyness, or extreme social behaviors or any other sort of disordered behavior doctors pass it off as girls being girls. As a result women often aren't able to get diagnosed until adulthood, when they figure out to advocate for themselves when discussing their issues with a physician. @@lucalovespopculture3743
"You can have your Neuro-link relationship with an animal that's not real and never ages." - best quote of this vid!!
Based and furry-pilled
My friend was just like this, very pessimistic, didn't know how to talk to people, and every interaction he had with a woman he tried to hit on them from the get-go. My advice changed his life according to him, I told him to stop trying to get laid and start trying to make friends, he's been in a relationship for over 2 years now.
That is extremely good advice. For a lot of these men, they are actually good at making friends, they just lock up when there's the idea of a romantic prospect. This advice allows them to get more comfortable around women and get closer to them, and see them more as fellow human beings with their own flaws, interests, desires, etc.
i absolutely agree. i was also on the path of inceldom, but then i just said: Aah, fuck it. if i can't get a Girlfriend, might as well get a friend." This mindset alone helped me get to more intimate reletionships with girls than any advice.
he probably cheats on her though
@@sophiab.282 Why do you assume most men cheat? I know of a number of men who are (and some who WOULD be) fiercely loyal to their girlfriends/wives. It's sad how little empathy people have for each other.
@@Sercer25 ??? I also know plenty men that acted like the perfect boyfriend or husband and actually cheated and got served divorce papers but not before gaslighting their partner and making everyone believe they were crazy.
If you want more, there was also a documentary based in the UK, "Secret World of Incels" (channel 4)
Being not able to identify with this shit actually made me feel better about myself. I may have been molded by the darkness, but you can climb out of that bs.
That WOW analogy was fantastic
People working towards a traditional marriage are not incels. They lose the involuntary in that instance.
80% of marriages are sexless in western countries
That’s called voluntary. You mean to say they are choosing to be celibate.
@@TheLoneLlama voluntary means they have the option to say no they can't approach for the possibility of an option to begin with hence involuntary celibacy look up involuntary
@@vergillives9890 We are specifically talking about people working towards a traditional marriage. So in this scenario they are already dating but are voluntarily becoming celibate for their partner in order to work towards marriage. Hence my previous comment.
@TheLoneLlama I'm aware. Not sure if I worded it strangely, but I think we're on the same page.
As an Australian
Unfortunately this is all true, the younger generation are having alot harder time in finding a partner
This leads to mental issues and eventually harming themselves/others or suicide
The problem is "wanting" to find a partner. And this becoming main focus. This can happen when parent teach a kid fake expectations. The real world is hard. Parent should prepare their kids for this. I don't see this happening much anymore. And social media just feeds that expectations.
@@Syphirioth mate it's literally the biggest natural driver there is, it's just these guys become outcasts when they are young and never get help
Can’t blame women for not wanting to be with men
Out of curiosity, what do their support networks look like? Do they have friends? Are their parents supportive of them? Do they have online support groups?
BRUTAL, its truly over man
On one hand, I don’t wanna be lumped on with these people. On the other hand, I have had pretty similar struggles. I just never clicked with people, not as a kid, not now. I always kept to myself, since I was afraid of people. That was because over and over, I’ve had hostile experiences with people. It’s all just so stressful. I take care of myself, I keep myself in shape and clean from drugs and alcohol, I have a life, I have talents and passions, I have hobbies, but none of it is ever enough to make me know how to talk to people. I just don’t understand how I’ve gotten so consistently unlucky.
Yep . Once you get used to and comfortable being isolated from other people it's really hard to get a feeling of how others even socialize. Every time I do try it feels forced and almost like people don't want me to talk to them. Even when those same people told me I'm too quiet and should talk more
@@MONTR65I think the hardest part is the first step, which is to convince yourself to step out of that sense of comfort that isolation creates. Like you said, if you spend enough time away from people, it creates familiarity in isolation.
It is what it is. Thanks for the shoutout!
Wow what a video. I like that Asmon is willing to give an opinion and take a nuance approach. It's crazy seeing this perspective. I do agree that the situation for young men is getting worse.
unless it doesn't it's just social problems are more visible now.
Imagine living in a backwater village back in the 70s with no internet whatsoever and about 100 people you met regularly of which 2 you find interesting. But too bad they're not interested in you so you just get "some" random dude or girl, maybe have an unhappy marriage and pull through until your 60.
From that perspective living alone while being connected live with the whole planet is paradise.
Young people have ALL the possibilities in the world today and should stop whining.
incels, depressed, unfortunate people have existed before but I think its easier for them as it has ever been.
So incel is the “new” way to label geeks, losers, nerds and the other names that unpopular kids were called thirty or forty years ago? For example when I was in public school I was called four eyes because I wore glasses, freak, nerd, losers, I was called scab because I had cold sores, being a girl growing up in the eighties/nineties was complete torture.
The difference here is these nerds, geeks and losers coined the term and self identify as victims through it.
Just another word for "virgin", you're right.
I was a teenager in the 80s with red hair and freckles 😂 it was a hard time back in the day.
I don't for the life of me get why so many young people these days feel the need to live under a banner.
I wish they could go back in time and see what it's like to live without the interweb judgement and not comparing your life with that of complete strangers.
Asmon, your analogy with hunters and warriors was spot on bro! Hang in there guys, don’t lose hope yet!
Any women coming to asmon s house or eating his food would run away...
Except he is rich so some gold diggers might soldier through the ordeal. 😅
At what age are we allowed to give up?
@@jasperzanovich2504 right out of the womb
I think the main thing to catch from these guys is not the fact they aren't getting laid. They have zero hope for the future which has leaked into every part of their life.
They might be on the wrong side of the bell curve but they are right.
Which is a problem, because hopeless people can do some VERY scary things. Literally every mass shooting for example is an example of someone who has gone hopeless and just decided to lash out. Actual mass killings for logical things like terrorism are actually insanely rare.@@mattata-san
I'm 5'5" and it bothered me my whole life. I've dated many women and am married. Now there are women out there who don't like short dudes but most of them really don't care
good for you mate, hope you have a long and happy marraige
@@Fatb0ybadb0y thank you!
As a 5’3” guy, I have learned height is a good filter for quality women. I understand having preferences but someone who truly was meant for you wouldn’t be so shallow.
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@@LastMinuteGuess 100% exactly
man... you dont realize how sanitized the internets become until you start remembering the 2000-2010 era.... shit back then was next level, like the internet and the darkweb were not separate back then you could stumble on ANYTHING
We need to bring that shit back 😂
I just barely missed it and I feel like I completely jumped over an important part of history by like 2 years
My partner and I meet playing Overwatch, and I am so glad. Its made our relationship so smooth. Neither one of us gets mad when the other binges a game for 14 days straight. Having common interests feels so important when its something like anime or gaming due to how time consuming both can become.
ya it works until the couples start adulting and have a kid. RL responsibilities trump video games, I've seen marriages end cause of lack of moderation from video games.
I'm basically an incel, but I don't hate women, or at least I'm not consciously aware that I do. It's just tough to find a compatible friend, and even more so a compatible spouse. I understand that most people don't like me. I also don't like a lot of people. Most people I meet are filled to the brim with pent up rage and aggression. I also understand that there's nothing special about me and I'm not entitled to possess another human being. I don't think I'm entitled to intimacy or love, either. I really don't know if I'm even capable of forming a genuine connection with a human being, and it's certainly not my right to do so. My ability to love or be loved is probably deficient, because I've never had the experience, and I never developed whatever it is that enables people to experience that. And I've come to believe that all of this is the result of emotional neglect from my parents during childhood, which caused me to internalize their neglect and hate myself. I felt unworthy of love. If my parents didn't even like me, how could anyone? This caused me to deny myself love and secretly despise my parents. It will likely be a lonely life for me, and I'm not the only one. My brother developed NPD because of this. He is married with kids, but his fate is even worse than mine. I hope one day God can open our eyes to the torment that unhealthy relationships proliferate. I hope to forgive my parents and start anew, again. Maybe, find a new life somewhere else, once again. I've no idea how to form relationships with people, and I'd rather die alone than repeat what my parents did. My brother is married but trust me he is worse off than I. And his children will inherit the same hole in their heart that was passed down to us.
Hey how’s your day? It’s alright there’s many people who are struggling too, you just have to keep going. You might learn to pick up any girl you want. Anything is possible. I wish you the best!
I find myself relating to you a lot even though I’m the complete opposite gender. I never was able to make connections with anyone, and I’m genuinely very lonely.
Finding compatible friends and a compatible spouse is the problem of our time. You're not alone in this. Forging genuine connections is harder now than it was in the past because most socialising is done through an online medium
Man, I related this hard.
I don't see the light anymore, I got parental issues (single mother household who isn't around) and neglect + I made very bad decisions in life / irresponsibilities and lack of self awareness / respect causing me to become hateful towards others & myself. Every day I become even more angry and resentful towards everyone, myself and the society. yes, I want love but I am in no position to give back to those who are willing to give that for me. I am irresponsible and hateful, not worthy of love at my current state. I have already told myself, I am not gonna repeat the mistake that my parents did, being irresponsible, unattentive and unaware of the children. I will not pass this pain towards my bloodline. I will end it, atleast in this action I can say in a twisted way that I sacrificed myself for the greater good..
I know what I must do, it's to save myself because no one is ever coming to save me. But I just don't have the heart to save myself and push me high enough to pull my mind of the rut than I am in.
I am doomed, and I am contented with this lonely life. I am just waiting everyday for the sweet release of death. At this point I accepted already that I'm going to die alone,
@@lerrigao6571 I understand exactly how you feel. My parents were extremely dismissive and dysfunctional. My parents never told me they believed in me or that they were proud of me. I have been beaten, spit on, and tricked. I’m in so much pain. Yet, my pride won’t allow me to let them win. I refuse to let them set the terms for me, and my death have no meaning. I’m 34 and I can say I’ve been a loser my whole life. However, I will have my day in the sun. I don’t know where your life takes you or how you got here. I just want you to know I’m proud of you. It takes a noble person to lead a life full pain and traverse these dark paths alone. You are stronger than you’ll ever know. Be safe brother 🙏🏾✨
People who dismiss Asmon's advice due to his appearance are foolish. It's like saying NBA coaches can't offer guidance because they're older and can't physically dunk.
Definetly agree with this take.
Yes he might be a fucking weirdo but he is super smart. I really like asmon's perspective about the world. He can reallly dissect an issue and discuss it piece by piece and always come with a interesting insight at most subjects.
@@diiibas Asmon's great. It's always good to remember his position as a streamer, however. I'd say I respect him more than or at least as much as any online presence I've seen. But - he has revenues to look out for. Asmon is extremely intelligent. He would not express a view, espouse a viewpoint, promote an ideology, or align with a stance that in any way conceivably infringes upon his ability to earn income and grow his fanbase. Always remember that. And that isn't a knock on him - it would be unwise and extremely damaging to him personally, socially, financially, etc. if he did. He does WAY better than all other personalities at skirting these issues while still leaving the truth behind in breadcrumbs. But I'd recommend to shy away from believing that what he says or hints at is his 'real view on reality'. I think we all know it, but if he was to say his real views, he wouldn't have a platform, or at least as large as one that he has. He is a very well 'thought-out' internet personality and a super smart guy - a bit of a gatekeeper but not so much; which is why so many people like him despite the things he has to avoid.
What's the percentage in your mind of what he says actually being his true opinions and not skewed for him to maintain his viewership and financial status. Because a lot of the stuff he talks about he does seem genuine in comparison to a lot of other streamers and UA-cam but maybe that's his whole shtick but I think that a lot of what he says is legit though. I could be wrong
My mate in highschool was quite autistic, and honestly ugly, but he never had any trouble getting girls. That's because disabilities and looks don't matter in the end, its your attitude
From the beginning alll I got was that I would be called an incel by people who dont really know me just because i dont desire a deep relationship with a woman, but thats not because I am an incel (nor gay), I just think that i dont deserve a relationship while being who I am at the moment.
Respectable
Same brother
I don't understand why any man would let this define him. When I was a kid, I dated few girls but didn't really go as I imagined it, so I completely abandoned dating and started programming 24/7. Basically replaced women with work. Few years later I landed a job where I made more money than my entire family. I was only 19. Not having luck with women was the best thing that happened to me, but only because I decided so. I'm 34 now and retired, giving zero f's about any kind of relationship, while everyone else has to work 8h a day. F that lol.
Body dysmorphia disorder (bdd)? When you feel hideous but you're totally normal looking.
I feel like most of this is due to their personality... women don't care about looks as much as guys think we do.
Is there any empirical evidence that would suggest women care less about looks than men other than to question women, which is not reliable as people in surveys provide answers that put them in a good light?
E.g. if you ask "did you ever cheat on your spouse" few people would answer yes, even if the survey was anonymous, because they want to retain a positive self image.
@j.d.s.8132 I'm not comparing men to women, only speaking from experience as a woman who knows over a hundred women, & can safely say that only about 10 of them only date for looks. Most of my friends have chosen average men that were nice people & have gotten engaged or married to them. I consider my friends to be average to above average in looks (none being ugly by anyone's standards) & they like normal guys. By normal I mean the guys are average to below average height, & about 50% were bald and overweight when my friends met them. No one on either side is rich, they are just decent people who chose someone they could live with versus someone they could look at. I make it a point to not be around superficial people, so maybe my observations are different than other women who don't mind it... but saying the majority of women I know don't care about looks as much as men think they (women) care still is accurate. 10% definitely do, & they're still single by 30 stalking gyms & bars looking for a partner is a particular stature. I am not close with them, but I can tell at their rate they won't be married by 40+ either. It is what it is.
>woman dont care about looks as much as guys
>hundreds of rejections often ending with girls telling me how i should unalive myself because im ugly
stop virtue signaling. appearance shapes how other treat you which in turn shapes the personality.
@@j.d.s.8132Most women don't care as much as these kind of men seem to think. I personally don't give a sh*t if my bf is buff or chubby, 5'7 or 6'0, rich or poor. I just don't care. I pick my partner after how good we go together with our ways of being.. and when it comes to looks, I only look at the face. A nice smile and nice head of hair.
@@elin_ Your face *is the main attribute when it comes to your looks* .
😂😂😂 I mean literally that is all it's really about.
"I just don't care"
"I only look at the face"
JFL, women are the meme gender.
Man this is so depressing, but good for you to take your time into this subject with an intellectual approach.
I hope he will come to the causes of this mindsets and blame the right ones and ask the right questions, like why this process is supported, otherwise it's not really intelligent
Intellectual approach? He doesnt know the diffrence between voluntary celibate (volcel) and involuntary celibate (incel)