[39] How to Decode a Smart Lock with a KW1 Lishi Pick! - (Gen 1 & 2)
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- Опубліковано 9 лип 2021
- In this video I demonstrate how to decode a Kwikset Smart Lock using a KW1 2-in-1 Lishi Pick.
Note: This method works on Gen 1 and Gen 2 Smart Locks.
Disclaimer: This video is purely educational and does not condone any illegal activity!
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as a locksmith, you have saved my life lol. so many apartment lockouts use smartkey locks, and I end up having to drill them because I thought picking them was impossible.
Skill issue
Definitely going to buying one now, I work maintenance and have had to drill out several locks. You explain using the tool clearly and concise.
Ok i have to say this is one of the first real useful lishi use I've seen. Makes perfect sense for locksmith and with the number of kw1 non smart on the market it can be used frequently.
Yeah, I wasn't too into the Res/Com Lishi's until I bought a set of 8 on sale one year. In one case a client knew they lost their house key at the river and just needed a new key made without rekeying the rest of the locks, so it did come in handy there.
I find it comes in handy especially on lever handles as those are the most awkward style locks to pick as well as some of those have to be picked over to take apart, so it saves time to make a key for like the other 12 in the building and such haha
Locksport wise I guess Lishi ranks with the Bump Key lol - Kilo
@@LockandKilo interesting question: at what point is it worth your time to decode and cut a key (and lose the cost of a blank + equipment wear) because it's just faster than picking the lock if the customer does not explicitly request a new key?
Ie your picking minute rate vs decoding minutes rate + blank cost + cutting time, any idea?
@@froggypicker That's a good question! It's not often I find myself using these Lishi's as opposed to the Auto Lishi's(when I was on the auto side of the trade), since it's usually going to be a rekey job.
Usually in your mind as a Locksmith you just know you are going to end up making a new key or rekey a home, so most of the time I just pick the lock the standard way since my pick kit is always by my side as opposed to where I keep the Lishi's hidden lol
For the one job with the client who just lost their key in the river and were 100% certain on that, they had a Defiant, so I used the KW1 Lishi to pick, decode and cut a key in about 3 minutes overall. It kind of depends on the shop owner on this tho..
Some owners will not even entertain the thought of picking longer than a couple of minutes, they will drill a lock and sell a customer a new one in a lot of cases, others will spend a decent amount of time if their schedule permits it. Really a major deciding factor is the schedule.
If you are back-to-back-to-back booked up, then you'll rake everything and shim the locks and just rekey, if they are certain they just misplaced the key and only want a new copy made then you can knock it out in a few minutes for a service charge and move along to the next call.
There are a lot of variables to it, sometimes you'll have some massive jobs coming up and your boss will squeeze in one of these calls, it's also helpful to many Locksmith's as the majority can't really pick much above a Kwikset consistently. Lock Picking isn't generally even taught at shops so much as it's a skill you obtain with trial and error on-the-job and lock-out's like this are maybe 5% of the job...usually the owner sends the best picker they have and trust so many guys never learn it.
If the client has like 4 different keyways on 14 different locks on 6 different doors then you'll pick them standard, shim and rekey. If they have 14 smartlocks all keyed alike, this would be the option as you can decode, cut the key and then change the key over in 1/8 of the time it'd take you to take them all apart...if you didn't have the LockTech Tool lol - Kilo
Lishis are badass for cars. I had like 5 or 6 I used all the time. The Ford 8 cut lishi, gm 10 cut, gm z keyway 10 cut, Chrysler 8 cut. Just those 4 made me a ton of money.
The Ford 8 cut lishi made its money back like 1000 fold. I bust ass with the lishi Ford 8 cut. I can cut a full working key in like 5 minutes with it. I definitely use autotel to tell me where the cuts are if it's 1-6 or 2-7. Then use a code software to get the last 2 cuts. It's a max of 3 keys. The Ford 8 cut lishi is hands down the best one in my opinion.
Never thought of using the Lishi Tool like this. Very clever. Thanks for the vid.
Great tutorial!This Lishi is a miracle, because without it, dealing with lockouts involving Smartkeys can be a pain in the ass.
Outside of the scope style decoders, this is the best/less expensive option, it also makes you look more professional than drilling them.
ever seen the smartkey decode which decodes it visually?
@@moisheshekelbag6336 $350
@@keithhaynie7950 it’s worth it though when you don’t Ben have to pick it at all to make a working key
Totally agree with the pain pain in the brain pain and the… Pain in the fingers pain in the excuses pain in the non-repair drive away pain in the missed opportunities. Pain in the everything with the Lishi tool. No more pain.
Best tutorial I have ever seen on UA-cam on how to use these I been trying to hard to learn how to use them 😅
Super cool man thanks for showing me how to do this I would’ve never dreamed
You’re welcome friend. Please tell your friend I have more great Door and lock tips coming your way. Thanks again.
Nice job... Explained very well 👍
Excellent tutorial
Good video!
DAKOTA!!!!!
Great info my friend. Love the Lishi
Thanks, Bear! Prior to this and the Lock Tech tool I used to just use a slide hammer lol
Excelente video muy bien explicado
Me ayudo bastante sigue asi 🎉
Now this is smart!
I was just considering buying a the expensive reader now I’ll get the lishi. The Schlage tool works great.
The LockTech Decoder is definitely worth the investment as it can decode all KW1 models.
But, as Gen 1 and 2's are still much more common, this will get you by!
What’s the Schlage tool?
The locktech is definitely nice. Skips having to even do this step straight to hell recording with it. Pushing it in the lock an pulling it out a little slower. An going back to a van or wherever an watch back the video while making the key.
Have you tried this method with the Schlage secure key system?? I'll have to try that. Great work!!
I just watched the video for the second time before going on a Kwikset Smart Key Lever Keypad lockout. I found that 4 of the 5 chambers I could not get the pick/needle (on the KW5 Lishi Pick) to move past cut 6 (with no tension) so I could try the next number depth in the sequence. I had to force the pick to the next number depth, then it was loose on most numbers after. I had to revert back to drilling the cylinder out. Do you know what that means when I cant get the needle/pick to easily move to the next number depth in the sequence? Thanks for your time.
Thanks
Love ur vids! Learning a lot for residential as I do automotive keys, immo work, auto repair, lockout & been learning residential to help hose customers that want key work done and it’s definitely help me expand services.
Quick question, I’ve seen 2 variations of lock clamps locksmith shops & hobbyists have been using. The one you have then one that looks more modern. Where can I find these?
Also does anyone make a mount that would go in a receiver hitch that I could mount a vise, locksmith vise to?
I picked up some magnetic plastic inserts that are grooves in varying spots so I can use the vise for metal stuff that can’t be damaged. Also need to get some rubber or whatever I see lock spinners using on UA-cam as I realize though the plastic inserts are plastic they can still damage a lock.
Look forward to a reply.
Do you have a tee spring setup for you so people can show support by getting a shirt. Name is kind of cool as well. 👍🤙🤙
The vice I used in this video is from Harbor Freight. I bought it for other purposes as I do not pick locks in a vice normally lol
I have had many requests and have someone working on shirts for the channel due to several requests over the past few months.
I am honestly shocked I have such a following as I have been inactive due to a recent surgery that just took a toll on me, so I have just been working and resting any free time I have had.
For the inserts you can always grab some material from Walmarts craft section cheap and wrap it with some small padding!
Thank you for the sub and the support!
Which lishi tool do I buy for chateau cylinder locks for storage locker having trouble finding anything explaining
Using it with this exact same lock and at each position it easily goes to the maximum depth and beyond almost as if there are no wafers in the lock. How can it possibly miss them?
Just got one lishi, what does the depth tell you? Never hear this concept before
How about teaching us to hand cut a key Without a machine
I'll try and film some more impressioning style videos soon! If you haven't checked out the most recent one you can find it here!
ua-cam.com/video/P-xQM6O7iHQ/v-deo.html
After decoding the depths using this method, could you start again using constant turning pressure to pick the lock now knowing where to place each click on tool?
Unfortunately no, this method only allows decoding on Gen 1 and Gen 2 Smart-Key locks.
You will still need to cut the key to actually unlock the door this way.
@LockandKilo thank you Sir....
Does this work on old and new smart locks? I have one I’m trying this on and all positions are springy. I don’t get the no movement in any position.
I have not tried it on all Gen's, I know that it works for sure on Gen 1 and Gen 2. I Know it doesn't work for the new SC1 version.
If you are dealing with an early Gen and it's not working, remember to loosen tension until you reach a depth, then apply heavy tension. If it still is not working it may not work for that model. - Kilo
I have trouble getting it fully in
Is it possible to close the locks with it also after opening ?
For the Smart Key Lock, you can only decode it and make a new key.
On a standard lock it is possible to pick it over either way, but the Lishi is designed to make a working key on top of picking the lock open.
How can you determine Gen1 Gen 2 from the others?
It doesn’t matter they’re all bypassed with lishi tool like nothing you have to take them apart which is completely crazy. I can do it but why do it is pointless just by Lishi
i have a few questions Kilo.
1. How do you identify the generation of smart lock?
2. Why is M1 locks pain in ass to pick with Lishi?
The easiest way to know if this will work or not is when you insert the Lishi and apply tension and it remains loose. You'll start to identify these with time and experience.
If you check out my video number [8], I pick and decode a Master Number 3 with the M1 Lishi.
In that video I show some of the issues, such as over tensioning and cuts reading slightly off!
@@LockandKilo Thanks Kilo. I will just use my M1 lishi for decoding!
After Decoding, ever try to Pick it Knowing the depths would think you might be able to pick to the depth, no further, then pick 2nd Tightest Binder, and repeat til open.
I will try next time I drag out a Smart Key Lock and my Lishi.
It's possible, when I was a new apprentice the veteran locksmith used to key these up to blanks and have us practice picking.
Then we would key it up to 12345, 54321 and get a feel for it. Regardless of how many times I did it, I could only ever pick that lock after hours of trying.
When I came to them in the field, I couldn't get a feel on it tbh. But, real world locks are always more difficult with positioning and wear.
The side bars also make them tough to pick lol
Thanks. So it’s really like decoding a combination lock by determining the different feelings between false gates, and real gates. Why won’t this work on Gen 3 sets, and how can you tell the difference between Gen 1, 2, and 3 sets externally?
The newer gen versions added a side bar that prevents this method. Gen 5 also used different style wafers inside so the Locktech tool can’t differentiate the first 3 cuts.
But, they did make a new decoder tool for those cuts lol
@@LockandKilo, It truly is an arms race. haha
Which tool is that?
Not bad and faster than what others would do on videos, I’ve watched Bosnian shill Bill talk about them and others use an index card for them.
It’s not bad Kilo pretty fast and effective, how are things going for you tonight?
Thanks! It's goin well, we have a heat wave here in So Cal, so I have been hiding from the sun haha
Yeah, this is definitely a quick way to unlock one of these in a more professional way than having to drill them. Smart Locks are the boogeyman of the trade for a lot of the new guys.
@@LockandKilo Bump keys will also do the same thing on the job if they are locked out, but a tool that used to cost $120 and than dropped to around $50 is useful but not game changing like other UA-cam channels have tried to make it.
Certain channels have tried to over hype the original and genuine Lishi tools, if trying to Easter egg hunt for the original Lishi they would be paying upwards of $800 to $1000 for all the original Lishi, the genuine Lishi for all of them on the market looking at about $5000 give or take.
I have a list of both the original and genuine Lishi tools in 2 separate videos the genuine Lishi list came from a distributor out in California actually that I put to use publicly.
If you haven’t seen the video for both of them I’d encourage you to watch them both.
@@BelmontClan You can’t bump them.They don’t use a pin tumbler mechanism, but a wafer sidebar system(Similar to old GM 6 cut locks)
@@lokpikr999 So I gathered from googling it, so if it’s wafers than a person should be able to use a medium set of jigglers to open it.
Unless you are going to come in and disagree with every comment I leave lok?
That does seem to be what you’ve done on a few of my comments, that does seem a little trollish to be honest.
I don’t claim to be an expert, and a wafer lock would have a smaller profile and bitting logically.
I happen to have a set of wafer picks and jigglers and 2 sets of bump keys for wafer locks for cabinets, drawers, and mailboxes.
@@BelmontClan Jiggling isn’t bumping.Bumping is a kinetic attack to create a shear line.Also. It isn’t a traditional wafer lock.The wafers interface with a sidebar(Which is what prevents the lock from turning)
When you read the second pin, you said it was a four but the needle rested on a five how did you know that?
You are looking for excessive play. When you go through your progressions, you are testing each depth for play.
When it rests on a number you will move to the next until you see it move significantly.
You aren’t looking for the needle to rest on a particular depth, you want to start out on each depth and see which depth has excessive play.
Have you found a method for new Smartkey locks ? ( KW1 )
Locktech Decoder is sweet for newer models. They also make an SC1 version as well, but that keyway is not very popular.
I was made aware by viewers and other locksmiths that new gen Smart Locks have a different layout than previous models for the Locktech however.
Question what it means when it turn 75% but won’t open ..???
It could possibly be turning the wrong direction or if the lock is picked in the correct direction, it could even just be a damaged lock/spindle or thumbpiece.
@@LockandKilo I think we was was turning it the wrong way .. 😆Embarrassing…Pops and I finally opened it Old Antique Sager …It was fun though..
Thanx BUD 🫡
@@antwontaylor3385 it happens lol
glad to hear you got it!
Ik I received this tool, idk why I can unlock a door ONLY if the door is actually opened, but when door is closed , I cannot unlock it, tried Soo many times and still cannot unlock a 6 pin using the right tool
Shop Lishi residential tools here www.classiclishi.com/product-category/residential-tools
Anyone have an issue with the kw1 lishi being too thick for a smartkey key way?
nope ... never
Actually Think I Have, Been a While, was a While Back, Think I used Emory Cloth to Slowly Bring Down, May have been a Cheap Foreign Lock Copy?
can you not pick start locks?
It isn't impossible to pick them, but it is extremely difficult. Especially one on a door with time constraints and an impatient client lol
The Lishi M1/MS2 tool I bought couldn't even provide the correct key cut code to cut a key for a 4 pin Master Lock padlock. My locks are still unusable unless I take the time to impression keys and file them to fit. I watched another video of a locksmith who had to add 1 to each number he read from the scale for the key to work. Why spend a lot of money for a tool that doesn't even have an accurate scale?
With Master Lock it kind of depends on the lock. I noticed on the lower quality locks you add 1. On some of the medium priced locks they are spot on.
Master is the outlier lol… also you’ll see a bit of a difference on locks with standard pins vs after market.
@@LockandKilo I had 2 keys made with the Lishi numbers and they didn't fit. Then I had 2 more keys made with 1 number shallower pin cuts and they didn't fit either. Fortunately I only spent around $50 for my Lishi. I feel sorry for people who spent $100 or more and still can't decode their locks. My M1/MS2 will never pay for itself and shouldn't be advertised as being able to decode Master Locks.
Tried this and wasn’t successful 🤦🏽♂️
This only works on Gen 1 and Gen 2 versions.
If you are having trouble with it and it is one of those models
the most common issue people have is applying tension before
setting the needle to the depth first.
Ignore my crappy spelling.
I need to know which one works Lishi that works with an ABUS KEY WAY
I’ve already purchased a nice collection, for my hobby started when Covid-19 started.
I’ve continued my collection to have something to do while I’m retired .
I've been picking locks ever since I went to Defcon 17 I managed to get second place after practicing for 15 minutes.
So I knew this is a hobby that I needed it helped a lot with my situation.
I thought the tools I had Woodwork with this lock, but they don’t fit in the key way.
So I need to know which one work thank you.
Needed something to do while I was in the hospital.
It helps relax me with my condition ha ha be like this is very relaxing.
No it was not due to Covid-19 other injuries. It was due to no Internet connection. Internet which caused the injury.
The doctor said that I must be connected at all times''
A list of the ones I have currently.
Most of these tools were purchased by people coming to visit that and I liked picking locks.
Retired technician. And no criminal background.
This link will provide the photos of the tools I have in my collection.
www.dropbox.com/s/hrqvqsh0hk06obs/2022-10-21%2010.46.52.jpg?dl=0