The M40 Swedish military mess kit and Dave Canterbury's Pathfinder PFM40 reproduction are great in our opinion, but fairly heavy at roughly 1kg. Great for car camping, small groups and prepping for emergencies such as extended power outages. Some commentators asked for a lightweight alternative for backpacking and we found it in the Boundless Voyage 2-in-1 set in titanium. It cost us $50, arrived quickly in the mail and weighed in at a tiny 233g. Then we discovered it can hold a canteen bottle as well as burn a variety of fuels...
I have a oair with the crowns, one of those is used in a car kit another in my boat kit for fushing, not something I have when out walkjng... they ARE useful and hold up to quite some abuse.
@@fromtheflightdeck252 here in Sweden they are EVERYWHERE.I find them in second hand stores all the time. same with other outdoor related stuff, A second hand mora knife is not even considered worth trying to sell, a used one would be like under $1, I can get a new for $5... So we are spoiled.
@@hiramhaji7813 oh? what is? I bought a new Mora 511 for 55SkR few weeks ago, and I found a messkit in red cross for 100skr few weeks ago, no burner or bottle but otherwise complete, I found a bunch of old moras in metal "tin" (empty paint can) at garage sale, he wanted 100skr for 11 knives (only 5 with sheet, but still).
Other reviews has usually failed to recognize that they choke the burner when they are not turning the cup about 90 degrees while standing on the stove. Also very interested to see if it is possible to use the Trangia simmer ring on this stove. Really looking forward for your results.
A very good review thanks. I do have the original M40 kits and M44. As for lightweight cooking. I will stick with my U.S.Army cooksets and G.i.mess kit system. Thanks for the review.👌👍
Thanks for watching and your comments! It's a Maxpedition canteen pouch we got about 7 years ago, not sure of any model number as it's been a few years since 2018 when we bought it. It's designed for the USGI style kidney-shaped canteens. Our Nalegene Oasis also fits it fine, in fact easier to get in and out as that one is slightly smaller than 1L. The Heavy Cover/Keith fits snugly as it is 1.1L.
The larger military "Trangia" which was actually made by SVEA, Trangia and probably some other companies under Swedish military contract was used with the M40 and M44 kit from the late 1950s. Trangia developed it into the modern Trangia burner which works great as it has a screw cap (instead of lugs) so can store fuel inside without leaks, and has a simmer ring/snuffer. The original burner is probably about the same size as Dave Canterbury's steel alcohol burner, but we didn't buy one of those, just bought the PFM40 and some of his steel plates. We will do a video on the alcohol burners we do have as we have 6 types, so stay tuned for more...
Before the military-sized SVEA/Trangia was issued in the late 1950s, along with the aluminum heatshield/potstand, soldiers would hang the mess kit over a wood fire using the bail handle and "coathanger" hook.
There is no comparison with the little one. The little on does not protect the flame in strong winds, it has completely different cooking capacity and unlike the Swedish design it does not store all items required to cook...so you still need to store stuff elsewhere.
Thanks for watching and your kind comments! Yes, it is different but we think there is potential to use like a M40 Swedish mess kit with an easy modification that we will show in an upcoming video shortly..please stay tuned for more soon on that, with some boil time tests!
@ebikecnx7239 Yes. My comments were not meant to be a criticism. I was just meaning that they are in a smaller category. But I use similar myself. I actually turned the little stove upside down and fashioned a little stand for the pot. It functions similar to a Swedish canteen set then.
@@questions6746 That's exactly what we are doing too, right now doing some burn tests! We are using binder clips, what did you use to stop the canteen cup from sliding too far down?
They really dropped the ball with this. I guess they wanted to save on production, but the bail for the German, Austrian, and a couple others lock in the upright, and won’t go past 90deg on one side. Makes a huge difference in functionality
Boundless Voyage also had a replacement canteen cup set consisting of two cups one large one small both stacking but wait there's more 😂 about 18 months to two years later the decided to release their own 'interpretation' of a GI canteen system comprising one bottle two stacking cups but...for some strange reason they 'cut off' the rounded ends of both parts therefore making them, while fully functional on their own, they are mostly incompatible with either GI or aftermarket equipment most interesting yes
Thanks for watching and your comments. Yes, some BV is kind of head scratching in design, but this 2-in-1 set is really good. So packable compared to the M40.
I would appreciate the weight of only the pots without the windshield of both the original and the PFM40. The windshield of the PFM40 is steel and the original one is aluminium.
@@johaneng2179 You are welcome, Happy New Year. We found the steel windshield-potstand is great for having fires inside. We use charcoal a lot now in recent videos and like grilling with the PFM40 and don't worry about aluminum melting.
Just took a look at ours and the rivets are looking like stainless steel, very shiny and not duller like aluminum. Did you get an early one, or purchase it later? Maybe they switched to stainless rivets later... Anyway, pretty sure these rivets are stainless steel on hours, time will tell...
They are good sized rivets. It didn't happen to mine. If they are alluminium, and if they do have a problem (which my other alluminium rivets did not for 50 years) then I will easily replace the rivets in 10 minutes. It definately pays not to be a cripple...
You are missing the plastic fuel bottle to go with your M40. Three crowns, black lid, marked "RODSPRIT nycket brandfarlig GIFTIG." My bottle is stamped "mellerud 65-03'' on the base. Capacity is about 300 millilitres. Body is opaque, with a frosted finish. Happy Trails !
The Boundless Voyage Kit is a good product, but not comparable to the other two. The others have a bigger main pot and a smaller pot/fry pan, they can contain the entire cooking system with fuel, stove, cup. The titanium version does none of that. Plus, the only interesting participant in Dual Survivor was Cody Lundin IMHO.
Nice review and comparison,,,, When I was in my 20’s , 30’s and 40’s I never was concerned about ounces, grams or pounds. My kids were in Boy Scouts and Royal Ranger’s. I would always pack with them. I had a large Gregory backpack and it wasn’t uncommon for me to pack 40-50 lbs. on a trip. So when I hear people concerned over ounces or even 1 lb. ,,,,, it kinda makes me laugh,,,, My two sons were in the Marines,,,, no crying about ounces or grams allowed there,,,,,, anyway,,, If I like a piece of kit,,, ie ,, a Firebox G2 stainless steel wood stove. No big deal,,, I’ll carry it around because I like it,,, and throw in a 8” carbon steel pan,,,, it’s all good ,,!!!👍👍🔥 Great video,,,,
The comparison is wrong. The two systems are not comparable. The true mess kit construction really does work in wind, the other only work in weak wind and if adjusted against it. Swirling crazy strong wind will enter through the open section... trust me, I tried. The only system that might be comparable doesn't exist for the Keith or any style of canteen and cup system and that is a clickstand type system where the shape fits to the precise shape instead of just being round. Alas, such a product doesn't exist and even more ironically, the clickstand system is no longer made in the same fashion.
Thanks for watching! Happy New Year! We have mounted the pot inside the pot stand like a Swedish M40 using some clips, which we can show you in a video to be released soon. However, titanium being lighter by far has a disadvantage in being slower to boil and therefore uses more fuel to boil 2 cups, so as usual in life there are pros and cons. It does stop the wind blowing in though.
@fromtheflightdeck252 .... technically its a stand allowing you to either place it over coals, burn wood under it, or use an alcohol burner; same you can do with the m40. More to the point, using the cup is less than what the m40 offers (this model of cup set anyway), for instance.... wheres the frying pan? Never seen a double boiler done with a cup. Dont get me wrong, ive done a lot of stuff with a canteen cup.... but its not an equivical replacement to the m40.
@@ebikecnx7239 save for the stand, boundless voyage i believe also makes the setup i eluded to that in terms of canteen cups would be a closer approximation. It has wires to attach instead of a bail. And it has a shallower cup/pan that nests on the bottom of it ( 2 total containers). I dont know if the smaller will seat on the larger for the same versatility because the m40 is beveled to be used that way. But it might be worth a look since now you have a stand already.
If you can avoid it, never buy stainless steel or titanium gear for cooking saucy food while camping/hiking, unless of course you only plan on boiling water in it and NOTHING else, as anything else is impossible to clean off it. Just buy yourself the grey non-stick GSI Soloist and enjoy a lifetime of cooking anything you want in the field with zero cleanup effort...
GSI make a great nitrided (case hardened) 8 inch skillet in carbon steel that is great for not sticking. You might see it when we're doing some cooking with these sets.
I avoid those aluminum and Teflon pots and pans as they're really toxic. Teflon is a forever chemical already polluting the environment and our bodies😮
The M40 Swedish military mess kit and Dave Canterbury's Pathfinder PFM40 reproduction are great in our opinion, but fairly heavy at roughly 1kg. Great for car camping, small groups and prepping for emergencies such as extended power outages. Some commentators asked for a lightweight alternative for backpacking and we found it in the Boundless Voyage 2-in-1 set in titanium. It cost us $50, arrived quickly in the mail and weighed in at a tiny 233g. Then we discovered it can hold a canteen bottle as well as burn a variety of fuels...
I have a oair with the crowns, one of those is used in a car kit another in my boat kit for fushing, not something I have when out walkjng... they ARE useful and hold up to quite some abuse.
@@najroe lucky to get 2
@@fromtheflightdeck252 here in Sweden they are EVERYWHERE.I find them in second hand stores all the time.
same with other outdoor related stuff,
A second hand mora knife is not even considered worth trying to sell, a used one would be like under $1, I can get a new for $5... So we are spoiled.
BS….
@@hiramhaji7813 oh? what is? I bought a new Mora 511 for 55SkR few weeks ago, and I found a messkit in red cross for 100skr few weeks ago, no burner or bottle but otherwise complete, I found a bunch of old moras in metal "tin" (empty paint can) at garage sale, he wanted 100skr for 11 knives (only 5 with sheet, but still).
Great piece of kit for cooking outdoors😮
We agree!
Would love to see a boil test using a Trangia alcohol burner in the Boundless Voyage setup.
Yes me too, it's gitvto be faster than M40
Will be doing that exactl comparison shortly...stay tuned! Planning to get that done in about a week.
Other reviews has usually failed to recognize that they choke the burner when they are not turning the cup about 90 degrees while standing on the stove. Also very interested to see if it is possible to use the Trangia simmer ring on this stove. Really looking forward for your results.
@@MatHahogg good idea
The Heavy Cover/Keith canteen fitting and the Nalgene Oasis is a big advantage ❤
We agree! Thanks for watching.
That's a neat idea to have a canteen cook set
@suriyaprom74 yes because it is more packable, it is more likely to go in a haversack than lugging the PFM40 set around. 😊
A very good review thanks. I do have the original M40 kits and M44. As for lightweight cooking. I will stick with my U.S.Army cooksets and G.i.mess kit system. Thanks for the review.👌👍
Good choice. Thanks for watching.
I have a steel WW2 GI mess kit, very good equipment..historical too.
@fromtheflightdeck252 Yes mine are all Ww2 dated. And some 1960 era. GREAT KIT AND I USE IT.
THANKS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks for watching!
Good review.
THANKS FOR THE REVIEW. CAN YOU ADVISE WHAT MAXPEDITION POUCH YOU ARE USING FOR THE HEAVY COVER? REGARDS STU
Don't they make the canteen pouch anymore? It's a canteen carrier.
Thanks for watching and your comments! It's a Maxpedition canteen pouch we got about 7 years ago, not sure of any model number as it's been a few years since 2018 when we bought it. It's designed for the USGI style kidney-shaped canteens. Our Nalegene Oasis also fits it fine, in fact easier to get in and out as that one is slightly smaller than 1L. The Heavy Cover/Keith fits snugly as it is 1.1L.
Will the Boundless Voyage Titanium Canteen fit, i wonder...
We don't have that one, but believe the answer will be no. Thanks for watching! If you get the answer please post here.
Other people say no.
Question what was used before as a burner ?
The larger military "Trangia" which was actually made by SVEA, Trangia and probably some other companies under Swedish military contract was used with the M40 and M44 kit from the late 1950s. Trangia developed it into the modern Trangia burner which works great as it has a screw cap (instead of lugs) so can store fuel inside without leaks, and has a simmer ring/snuffer. The original burner is probably about the same size as Dave Canterbury's steel alcohol burner, but we didn't buy one of those, just bought the PFM40 and some of his steel plates. We will do a video on the alcohol burners we do have as we have 6 types, so stay tuned for more...
Before the military-sized SVEA/Trangia was issued in the late 1950s, along with the aluminum heatshield/potstand, soldiers would hang the mess kit over a wood fire using the bail handle and "coathanger" hook.
Try charcoal too! Works....
There is no comparison with the little one. The little on does not protect the flame in strong winds, it has completely different cooking capacity and unlike the Swedish design it does not store all items required to cook...so you still need to store stuff elsewhere.
Thanks for watching and your kind comments! Yes, it is different but we think there is potential to use like a M40 Swedish mess kit with an easy modification that we will show in an upcoming video shortly..please stay tuned for more soon on that, with some boil time tests!
@@ebikecnx7239 waiting to see that tested..
@ebikecnx7239 Yes. My comments were not meant to be a criticism. I was just meaning that they are in a smaller category. But I use similar myself. I actually turned the little stove upside down and fashioned a little stand for the pot. It functions similar to a Swedish canteen set then.
@@questions6746 That's exactly what we are doing too, right now doing some burn tests! We are using binder clips, what did you use to stop the canteen cup from sliding too far down?
@@ebikecnx7239 I built something to hold it. When I get home in 10 hours I will send you photos.
They really dropped the ball with this. I guess they wanted to save on production, but the bail for the German, Austrian, and a couple others lock in the upright, and won’t go past 90deg on one side. Makes a huge difference in functionality
Thanks for the feedback, it's definitely a design flaw in the original M40 design.
True, but otherwise good.
Boundless Voyage also had a replacement canteen cup set consisting of two cups one large one small both stacking but wait there's more 😂 about 18 months to two years later the decided to release their own 'interpretation' of a GI canteen system comprising one bottle two stacking cups but...for some strange reason they 'cut off' the rounded ends of both parts therefore making them, while fully functional on their own, they are mostly incompatible with either GI or aftermarket equipment most interesting yes
Thanks for watching and your comments. Yes, some BV is kind of head scratching in design, but this 2-in-1 set is really good. So packable compared to the M40.
I would appreciate the weight of only the pots without the windshield of both the original and the PFM40. The windshield of the PFM40 is steel and the original one is aluminium.
Thanks for watching and commenting. Will check the weight for you and post here shortly.
Check out the next video coming out soon...the pots for M40 weighed 845g and PFM40 pots weighed 619g
@@ebikecnx7239 Thank you.
@@johaneng2179 You are welcome, Happy New Year. We found the steel windshield-potstand is great for having fires inside. We use charcoal a lot now in recent videos and like grilling with the PFM40 and don't worry about aluminum melting.
I love the pfm40, unfortunately instead of spot welding the handle they used aluminum rivets. It end up in thr food. The rivets are worn out
Did you notify Self Reliance Outfitters (Dave Canterbury) as they do have lifetime warranty on their products?
@@fromtheflightdeck252 yes, best contact SRO as it is supposed to be 100% stainless steel
Just took a look at ours and the rivets are looking like stainless steel, very shiny and not duller like aluminum. Did you get an early one, or purchase it later? Maybe they switched to stainless rivets later...
Anyway, pretty sure these rivets are stainless steel on hours, time will tell...
@@ebikecnx7239Dave Canterbury stands by his products, best to contact SRO❤
They are good sized rivets. It didn't happen to mine. If they are alluminium, and if they do have a problem (which my other alluminium rivets did not for 50 years) then I will easily replace the rivets in 10 minutes. It definately pays not to be a cripple...
You are missing the plastic fuel bottle to go with your M40.
Three crowns, black lid,
marked "RODSPRIT nycket brandfarlig GIFTIG."
My bottle is stamped "mellerud 65-03'' on the base.
Capacity is about 300 millilitres.
Body is opaque, with a frosted finish.
Happy Trails !
Oh yes that's right! Got to get one next!
If someone uses it for hiking, weight makes a big difference, otherwise the traditional heavier Swedish steel stove is fine, I think!
🤔🤔
That's the point...the weight. I use my M40 and PFM40 for car and motorcycle camping so no problem there.
Yes, the titanium option is really great for a lighter load.
The Boundless Voyage Kit is a good product, but not comparable to the other two. The others have a bigger main pot and a smaller pot/fry pan, they can contain the entire cooking system with fuel, stove, cup. The titanium version does none of that.
Plus, the only interesting participant in Dual Survivor was Cody Lundin IMHO.
Only $67 on Amazon? The MP40 set is not that heavy enough to justify switching.
It's better directly from Dave Canterbury's Self Reliance Outfitters with first time buyer coupon. Got 2 for $40 each..
Get one from SRO much better, as backup for emergencies. We have the M40 too.
@ebikecnx7239 yes, two is one, and one is none😊
Nice review and comparison,,,,
When I was in my 20’s , 30’s and 40’s I never was concerned about ounces, grams or pounds. My kids were in Boy Scouts and Royal Ranger’s. I would always pack with them. I had a large Gregory backpack and it wasn’t uncommon for me to pack 40-50 lbs. on a trip. So when I hear people concerned over ounces or even 1 lb. ,,,,, it kinda makes me laugh,,,,
My two sons were in the Marines,,,, no crying about ounces or grams allowed there,,,,,, anyway,,,
If I like a piece of kit,,, ie ,, a Firebox G2 stainless steel wood stove. No big deal,,, I’ll carry it around because I like it,,, and throw in a 8” carbon steel pan,,,, it’s all good ,,!!!👍👍🔥
Great video,,,,
Carbon steel pans are great, just got the GSI 8 inch and it's non stick without nasty coatings like ptfe. I was a Scout.
Yes, all true. Much easier in our youth. Boy Scouts was great fun, like most parents we got signed up too. Went to Gilwell!
We have one here and loving it!
He was kicked off Dual survival, apparently yall dont know the whole story…
What happened?
History ..
@@ebikecnx7239 He fibbed .. similar to what most of us have done to a greater or lesser extent during our lifetimes.
He was in uniform and served. I thank him for his service and know he is indeed a survival expert with extensive knowledge.
@ As did I and Imhave zero respect for him!🇺🇸✌🏻🍻
The comparison is wrong.
The two systems are not comparable.
The true mess kit construction really does work in wind, the other only work in weak wind and if adjusted against it. Swirling crazy strong wind will enter through the open section... trust me, I tried.
The only system that might be comparable doesn't exist for the Keith or any style of canteen and cup system and that is a clickstand type system where the shape fits to the precise shape instead of just being round.
Alas, such a product doesn't exist and even more ironically, the clickstand system is no longer made in the same fashion.
Thanks for watching! Happy New Year! We have mounted the pot inside the pot stand like a Swedish M40 using some clips, which we can show you in a video to be released soon. However, titanium being lighter by far has a disadvantage in being slower to boil and therefore uses more fuel to boil 2 cups, so as usual in life there are pros and cons. It does stop the wind blowing in though.
..... a canteen cup
And stove
@fromtheflightdeck252 .... technically its a stand allowing you to either place it over coals, burn wood under it, or use an alcohol burner; same you can do with the m40. More to the point, using the cup is less than what the m40 offers (this model of cup set anyway), for instance.... wheres the frying pan? Never seen a double boiler done with a cup. Dont get me wrong, ive done a lot of stuff with a canteen cup.... but its not an equivical replacement to the m40.
True...we still love the M40 and PFM40 for motorcycle camping.
@@ebikecnx7239 save for the stand, boundless voyage i believe also makes the setup i eluded to that in terms of canteen cups would be a closer approximation. It has wires to attach instead of a bail. And it has a shallower cup/pan that nests on the bottom of it ( 2 total containers). I dont know if the smaller will seat on the larger for the same versatility because the m40 is beveled to be used that way. But it might be worth a look since now you have a stand already.
@jeremymoses7401 not your grandfather's canteen cup, but a high-tech modern canteen cup😮
If you can avoid it, never buy stainless steel or titanium gear for cooking saucy food while camping/hiking, unless of course you only plan on boiling water in it and NOTHING else, as anything else is impossible to clean off it. Just buy yourself the grey non-stick GSI Soloist and enjoy a lifetime of cooking anything you want in the field with zero cleanup effort...
I keep away from toxic non-stick pans. Teflon is really bad stuff.
GSI make a great nitrided (case hardened) 8 inch skillet in carbon steel that is great for not sticking. You might see it when we're doing some cooking with these sets.
I avoid those aluminum and Teflon pots and pans as they're really toxic. Teflon is a forever chemical already polluting the environment and our bodies😮
I avoid non-stick lightweight aluminium and Teflon coated pots and pans😮
No way I will use Teflon😮