Long Drives, Long Gearing - The Carmudgeon Show - Ep. 39
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
- Jason and Derek took a road trip in a Corolla and the car wasn’t great. Then they took one in an Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio and it was great. Jason also installed a factory retrofit digital instrument cluster for his Lotus Elise, as well as a modification from 034Motorsport which allowed him to achieve 1.07g of lateral acceleration from...his e-Golf!?
Derek responds to a listener’s question about the difference between the Mercedes 400E and 500E, which starts a discussion about gearing and how it can make or break a car. Jason always prefers shorter gearing except for in one car. He also offers his typical insight into why a lot of manufacturers purposefully employ long gearing today, particularly 3rd gear, to meet drive by noise regulations. Jason then laments the long gearing in the Porsche 718 Boxster Spyder before unceremoniously declaring it possibly the finest sports car of all time.
The Carmudgeon Show is a comedic, information-filled conversation with Jason Cammisa and Derek Tam-Scott, two car enthusiasts who are curmudgeonly beyond their years. Proving you don’t have to be old to be grumpy, they spend each episode talking about what’s wrong with various parts of the automotive universe. Despite their best efforts to keep it negative, they usually wind up laughing, happy, and extolling their love for cars. Which just makes them angrier and more bitter.
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Jason Cammisa is an automotive journalist, social-media figure, and TV host with over 250 million views on UA-cam alone. Jason’s deeply technical understanding, made possible by a lifelong obsession with cars, allows him to fully digest what’s going on within an automobile - and then put it into simple terms for others to understand. Also, a Master’s Degree in Law trained him to be impossible to argue with.
Derek Tam-Scott still tries. He’s a young automotive expert with old-man taste in cars, and a Master’s Degree in Civil Engineering - which means he knows how to be civil to Jason. Or at least he tries. With a decade and a half’s experience buying, selling, driving and brokering classic and exotic cars, he’s experienced the world’s most iconic cars. And hated most of them.
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I really hope they keep making these…
HR if you dont mind me asking what cars do you own
@@johnbacon4997 2006 Chevy Suburban I’m 17 and just got my license,why?
@@liammaupin9492 just curious dude. I think I confused you with a car collector on UA-cam. How do you like your ride?
@@johnbacon4997 it’s not bad but it does have all the problems a 17 year old truck with 200k miles should have like minor electrical gremlins things like that I plan on making a series of fixing and modding it on you tube!
@@liammaupin9492 that's cool dude. If you dont mind me asking what type of cars are you interested in?
I get the impression that DTam’s parents must be fascinating and Jason’s parents must be exhausted. 🤔🙂
That is probably true
Thank you for bringing this podcast back! In my opinion, one of a handful of podcast for real driving enthusiast that's well versed, eloquent, legit while still being humorous. Cheers from the Philippines
I bought a GTI because of Jason. But then the engine blew up so I got a Carolla with a standard transmission because of Scotty Kilmer. Would have loved an e-Golf, but my daily commute is 110 miles round trip, not leaving any room on the battery.
14:00 The shifting car color is pretty common in paints with pearl or other additives, it is due to paint in the hopper not being as agitated by the 3rd or 5th car as it is from the first. Paint repair/spray shops have spray cards for matching factory paint that is 4th or 5th down the line. If you look at any 2 Teslas of the same color you will immediately see this phenomenon.
You guys should definitely do an episode about the smaller engine version of cars vs. the bigger engine versions!!
Good idea! A lot of times the fastest trim package isn't the best version of a particular model, especially when it comes to weight balance and handling.
This is a big one! When the day comes where I'm ready to buy a Camaro or a Mustang I cannot have anything else than the V8 even though I could be very happy with much less power+lighter weight+better fuel economy...
Why?... why should they?...smh
You guys are smart enough to have an audience smart enough to know what an em dash is.
Unless english is not your first language. I never heard that word in my life.
@@Ermy1996 I picked up about the em dash fast, when they said it's a long hyphen. But for a long time I had no idea what hyphen meant, because englisch is not my first language. I thought Tam Hyphen, was something like a double middle name, but I was wondering why it was written with a „connection line“ (that beeing the litteral translation from the word for hyphen in my language to english) :D
I only learnd about the hypen, when jason talked about it, because for that matter, I wasn't the only one thinking that and other persons where talking about this in the comments.
@@Ermy1996 Sure! But that's definitely not a mark of your intelligence. I'm sure there are millions of people much smarter than me that haven't heard it either.
@@skrlaviolette I think it was a really corny joke about "What would a hyphen's mother be called? Em-Dash." Like "Em" is M for Mom.
@@thedarkenergist Yeah
Bought 2 cars based on your (almost) recommendations. Golf R and 718 GT4. Thanks Jason / Hyphen!
Your motor cycle has more horsepower than 5 of my 7 fast cars. Oh my God, im dying laughing 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
In my area an octavia is unusable and a bmw 530d is a Bugatti Veyron
Fair play, the video hasn't even premiered and I'm already into it based on the description. So very glad you are back, long may it last.
Not sure if Jason will see this, but useful nonetheless. I have a Mk7 GTI and made the mistake of installing springs (H&R). My factory dampers were shot in less than a year and the car had more body roll than my mother’s LX 570. Coilovers are the only way to go. About a year back I swapped to a set of R&T Öhlins and adore them. They only drop the car about an inch to inch and a half, so clearance will never be a problem. Additional benefits include: dampening adjustability, superb ride quality, and gold dampers - yeah I’m bougie.
Please make the episode on Ferdinand Piech. Been waiting for months.
Keep waiting
Did a ton of research and owned a 2001 BMW 530i Sport. The 6s had rack and pinion steering while the V8s had rec ball steering. This plus the extra weight of the V engine up front meant the 530 with some power upgrades was the one to drive.
I’m here to give Jason a hard time.
Thanks? ;)
Tell him police racism is fake news.
I was just thinking about that highway gearing thing the other day. My 06 base 100-and-nothing HP mini cooper feels way torque-ier than it should and is very fun to snake through traffic at 80mph for exactly that reason. Small engines at 4k rpm are great. 😆
Back when Mini's were still kinda mini
@@victoralley708 true. I like Minis but I only want to own ones from 05-06.
On base gutless cars that's what I figured out aswell. Revving it out is pointless, it has nothing to give but midrange is great.
This was fun. My (long-gone, always-missed) US-spec '92 GTI 16v had a rebuilt transmission (from the also long-gone Kraftswerk crew) that featured four shorter gears (that were supposedly the same as the contemporary diesel) with an "Autobahn" 5th gear that was so hilariously low that I'd barely reach 3000 rpm at fast highway cruising speeds. At the time I was taking the GTI to track days at Gingerman, Blackhawk Farms, and even Road America, so that long-ass 5th was perfect for the long drives to those venues. Brilliant stuff.
The 530i is a gem! The lighter weight and rack and pinion are game changers!
Happy Birthday Sandler!
The daddies don't disapoint
wtf
Sounds sexual
On a digital dash, I would like oil and coolant temperatures, but in addition to RPM I'd like a load gauge, which measures how much torque is produced with a line at full throttle. Maybe integrate it into the RPM, so the RPM goes from left to right but the load goes up and down on the screen.
Steering, braking and acceleration G is also useful, and it takes camber into account so having the car parked sideways on an incline gives a non zero so I know my traction limits are less trying to turn in the direction the camber rises.
You guys know your stuff. Thanks for sharing with all of us!
This is why I always buckle in food when I pick it up in my Giulia. You cannot control yourself so you have to prepare.
You guys premiered these at a decent european time. Now I have to wait until 2am for this and watch until 3. 😕
I LOVE THE EMDASH
thank you for bringing it to the forefront of popular culture that Carmudgeon reaches.
Only two shows in and 2020 is already looking up.
Please keep these going!
@ 53:50 hyphens laugh 😂😂😂😂 " I can relate to that my friend"
After 3.700 rpm on 718 the mandatory valves open and if you’re in Europe you have opf or ppf filters that even if valves open doesn’t sound good. Internal combustion automotive joy is singing its swan song
It's a sad, sad song too. It certainly bums me out. I haven't got to own any of my dream cars(all ICE) yet and I hate electric cars.
I’ve had alfa giulia diesel rental in europe and it reminded me of my dad’s e46 325i. The bigger giulia felt small like the e46. I wanted an alfa, couldn’t afford it, so i got a e46 325i. Now thinking of looking out for a e39 525i or 530i as mentioned here. Also looking out for a used golf gti. These guys are enablers!
Thanks for coming back Jason!
You two compliment each other perfectly making this podcast/show very entertaining.
Jason mentioned the balance of his e-Golf. My Golf Mk7 has very balanced handling. It is a GT wagon with the R-Line package and DCC, so it has the springs, sway bars, and brakes of the GTI, but with the 1.4 engine and the 6-speed manual transmission, it has considerably less weight and better fore-aft balance. At 165 hp running premium it doesn't have the power of the GTI, but a stage 1 chip tune will get it close to 200. 40 mpg at a steady 70 mph in a station wagon that tops out at 140 and has better balance than a GTI, in a car that doesn't break the bank seems a bit like magic to me.
I have always enjoyed Jason's reviews, and love the banter between these two. Hitting subscribe.
51:20 in the UK, the "superbike" experience in a car is said to be had with an Ariel Atom.
SO glad to hear you guys again!
GT350R ftw. You do have the best recommendations. I want to replace my mk6 gti with a Alfa QV to be along side the 350r
Page 1 of the Giulia quick ref guide, “where to insert tow hook”.
Just love to have Carmudgeon back!
Every automotive youtube channel should be more like this one.
That anecdote about the 2.3-16v is awesome lol
WOOOO ANOTHER ONE :D
Put it in my mouth.
Hyphen’s parents Rock!!
A gen 7 golf gti now is on my to buy list.. manual of course!!
Who else started laughing when Jason's phone fell face first?
You guys rock ! :) maybe in next Show, tell us what you think about a 20 grand, high milage audi S5 or other alternatives at that price point for a 2012+ daily car
Thanks for the new episode, Guys. A note on the comparison W124 400E vs. W124 500E. Mercedes in general had a very good manufacturing quality also in 1990. Nevertheless, I "feel" a difference (or I like to cheat myself) when sitting in a 500E because there is so much built quality. Anyway, the fact is that the 500E is handmade in Zuffenhausen at Porsche and not from the assembly line in Untertürkheim. That makes at least a difference as a collector's car.
Heinz, Cologne.
I would love the 718 Spyder as a daily
Me too
Jason are you going to publish a video review of the 718 Spyder like you did for CGT. Something to look forward to
I bet the e39 M5 feels "bigger" than a 530i because it has the steering rack from a WW2 German tank, where the 530i has a nice rack and pinion.
Gearing- I daily’d an NC1 Miata for 9 years in Southeastern Pennsylvania, much of it on I95 in and out of Philadelphia. I’m obviously a glutton for punishment or a hero depending on your perspective. Sixth gear is direct drive, no OD on that car. I would have sold a kidney to get that thing below 4000 rpm at 75mph. Give me close ratios 1-5 and an overdrive and I’d probably still be in that car. It just gets exhausting. No possibility of a phone conversation or actually hearing the radio on the highway top up or down. Yeah I know it’s a sports car but I could afford only one car and I suffered so that it could be that one. 9 Pennsylvania winters and 4 sets of Pirelli winter tires and I’m here to tell the tale. Actually a blast in the snow with the right tires and an aftermarket electric seat heater.
You guys should do these as a podcast. I think this format screams podcast and you are missing out on superchat money.
How does a podcast get superchats?
By having an active live chat running while the podcast is live. Matt Farah used to do it that way. I haven't caught The Smoking Tire podcast live since they moved into their new studio so I'm not sure if they still do it. Anyway, people pay a few dollars so that the host gets a notification and the person who made the donation gets their question seen and answered by the host.
@@victoralley708 A podcast is by definition a pre-recorded distribution medium. What you're talking about is a live stream that may have been re-released as a podcast.
Tall gearing on motorcycles is really silly. On my Suzuki GSXR-750. 60 MPH was 4.5 rpm. 80 MPH was 6.5k RPM. Redline in first gear is 75MPH; second gear is 100MPH+. The problem isn't just the tall gearing; the problem is the vibrations and noise at high rpms. The engine is silky smooth at 3-5k rpm but vibrates from 5-8K; then silky smooth to 13k redline. So around town and normal highway cruising you are almost always in the vibration zone. And it isn't just Suzuki... all sportbikes are in the same boat because of the inherent inline-4 resonances.
Centigrade has 100 units of measure between freezing and boiling of water at sea level. Fahrenheit has 180 units of measure in the same range. I like the more precise scale.
love you guys and your videos. please keep them coming. much appreciated.
Regarding the e-Golf mods: H&R is already doing springs for it. I have not bought them for mine though as there are no shocks made specifically for them and I don't want a bouncy ride and shocks failing prematurely. I really wish some kind of quality cup kit or coilovers would be available for it. I am interested in knowing more about the A3 sway bar mod and id it works well. Keep us posted!
Narrow body W124s are awesome. The chassis was originally designed as a sedan with an inline-six, IMO the M103 300E is the most usable, quintessential example of the breed. Not an opinion many share...
Jason, about gearing towards topspeed, the stars will align when you drive the shit out of the Honda S2000, trust me, just go drive one, although it has to be the 2.0L one and not the 2.2 (different gearing).
Looking forward to a #cammisaverdict on papa parenthesis’ e39 m5
SS/1LE and ZL1/1LE Thoughts?
Thanks for saving me from certain death by not singing 😂 (E46 owner with takata airbag still to replace due to spare parts shortage - at least that's what they told me, maybe they just don't want to see me and my shitbox anymore)
Two questions for Sandler and Hyphen:
1) Best sports/GT car that you can actually put miles on?
2) What do you think of cars like the Polestar 2, Volvo XC40 Recharge, and Jaguar I-Pace?
1) Miata
2) E-Golf
@@PhilipBeresford I don't fit in the Miata, and the e-golf doesn't have enough range to get me to work and back. :(
I put a 2.65 rear out of an 850i in my E39 M5 because the stock gearing is all too short. It's like they geared it for the S54 motor instead of a 5 liter V8. Low rev cruising at 100 mph is where it's at! If you really hate downshifting to pass Prii so much, then get an automatic, ya lazy bums!
Derek's Dad rules!!! I hope to be as cool at 80... I bought a 4C Launch Edition at 34, so that's a start, right?
A single mention of ALFA and something falls about in sympathy
Min 59:31: Always love it when Jason speaks german!
Why?
Man... i had an e39 530i given to me as my first car before I was into cars. I loved that thing but I know I would love it even more if I still had it. Got rear ended by some girl on her phone and totaled the car.
I understand the Jasons and Hyphens probably disapprove but... the F90 M5, with it's quick steering and firm ride, does feel lighter than it is... dare I say, enjoyable!
That said, you guys do really make me want to try the Giulia QV.
Best Show. Keep making them guys!
That’s true, Mercedes temp gauge are in Celsius
Doesn’t the E39 M5 have a different steering system than a normal e39? Maybe that’s the reason why it felt huge to drive compared to the e39 530.
Yup, it's a steering box vs. rack and pinion. It's crazy how different the 6 cylinder cars feel compared to the V8 models. Yeah, they don't have the same power but the steering is so good in the 6 cylinder cars and they feel much lighter. I'll never stop praising the 6 cylinder cars :)) I personally think that they're some of the best (if not the best) cars BMW has made.
I've been torn about that digital dash for my Elise, given what an analog car that is the oem dash sort of fits the character. But lap timing would be great! (And an accurate speedo)
Blew my mind with the sound regs and the alleged response to them by manufacturers! Hense....90s cars...
Honestly if I was President I would push for EXTEME deregulation of cars.
@@johnbacon4997 bacon2020 lol 🥓
Jason, I have a 2002 E39 525iT wagon you are welcome to check out. It's recently has a S54 dropped in, 6 speed manual conversion, 3.85 custom LSD, KW coilovers. You might enjoy it.
So if noise regulations are responsible for the super tall gearing, here's the fix: Re-label 1st gear "Low", 2nd gear "1", 3rd gear "2", etc.... Then the noise test will have the car in 4th gear.
So when are you guys doing the segment on Ferdinand Piech. Been looking forward to it since it was mentioned earlier on!
When it comes to nice sounding 4 cyl. then 1.75 tBi from AR . I have it in my Giulietta, it's great :)
The likely reason for the high reading speedo... In the UK most cars tend to read higher as UK traffic laws state that you are allowed the speed limit, plus 12 percent before you can be done for speeding. I know that is a little less than your car but after all it is a lotus!
Porsche did make the Porsche Classic Communication Management which brings all the modern infotainment features to classic models. For 1500 euros I can have android auto in my 986. It's brilliant.
Jason, talking about small engines over big ones, why have you chosen the manual 300SL over the 500SL?
I assume the E39 talk is the difference between the I6 having a rack and pinion and the V8s having steering boxes.
Can't wait, so excited!
What was the new electric car company that Jason mentioned? Really don't want to go through the whole show again just for that!
If you think 80 at 8000 in second is tall, let me tell you that my 94 SHO atx hits 89 at 7k in second, and since first tops out at like 47 it doesn't want to downshift over 30 so you have to just wait for it to wind out.
"fahrenheit is the dumbest fucking measurement in the history of the world"
As a non-american, I completely agree.
Dam I love that Boxster!
Hey Jason, you probably know of the volkswagen-classic-parts.de website but are there really so few parts left? I'm not an expert on classic vw and I know you know german but if I can be of any assistance here in the land of no speed limits I'll be happy to help find you some parts ;)
Love the the work both of you are doing and please don't stop making these episodes!
Please do a show with the two of you driving the M5
Interestingly, when i last drove my fathers Elise Mk1, the original speedometer was perfectly accurate, 100 on both gps and speedometer. Its a euro spec with mph tho
YEAHHHHH BEST BIRTHDAY GIFT EVER 🥳
It's my birthday too!
@@JasonCammisa NO WAYYY I SHARE MY BIRTHDAY WITH MY FAVORITE CELEBRITY HOLY SHIT 🤩🤯 *HYPERVENTILATING*
@@saadareeb4631 he featured you on his Instagram lol
MK 7 6MT Golf R gearing is the best, IMO. Not sure how they pulled it off. Maybe they pass the sound test with the DSG?
Hello Jason I know you love when people ask you questions like this in regards to Geering would you rather the Cayman t for the shorter Geering or the Cayman 4.0?
Wait a minute, the 718 Cayman T and Boxster T have a shorter gearing than the normal manual transmission on the regular 718s? !
E39 530 vs M5. Rack and Pinion vs recirculating ball... And S62 engine is heavier than M54.
How come you have not released this episode in podcast form?
Digifitz? would buy! (golf mk1 convertible) but please with new tec, heard the orig. weren't reliable and brake filaments all the time.
Suspension for e-golf? Want/need that for Renault Zoe. (bc: way cheaper ev than e-golf)
I wish my mom drove an Abart 500... :)
Two colors of red on Italian machinery is nothing new. My Aprilia Futura was flam red. Fast forward to replacing body panels after my grievous high side incident. The pre-painted panels from Italy were three different reds, and none of them were the same as what came originally on the bike. Love-hate relationship with that thing.
Is this not showing up for anyone else on their podcast app? Using pocket cast
I’m not seeing it on apple podcast either
@@erikhaccou3201 just checked again and it finally is there :)
Gotta ask tho, what are those wheels on the 968 at 1:03:48?
Love you guys
Just like the late VW MK6 JSW 2.5 5spd having 170BHP with stupid tall gearing (going to 75mph in 2nd and 110mph in 3rd) the good thing is no matter what ''legal'' speed you are doing you can always throw it in 3rd gear.. ;)