It had better be a Diesel- The Carmudgeon Show - Ep. 30
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- Опубліковано 25 сер 2024
- How much ground clearance do you need in an apocalypse vehicle? After all, running over zombies might damage the cooling system on your venerable Mercedes W123-which otherwise will be the official car of the cockroach, long after all other life forms on Earth have ended.
Surely we all know (except Derek) that Zombie Apocalypse vehicles need to be diesels, lest the zombies deactivate your spark-ignition system with their ray-guns. So that leaves out the Land Rover Defender gasoline versions, though those would just break down anyway. What about a Toyota Land Cruiser? Mercedes G-Class? Suzuki Samuai? Jeep Wrangler? Or the coolest apocalypse vehicle, the Lamborghini LM002.
This week’s episode is all about the prospect of a get-out-of-harm’s-way vehicle. Spurred, of course by recent political unrest in the U.S. And, for the record, ISSIMI’s two Carmudgeons are happy to judge your car based on a multitude of factors, but they’ll never judge you on the color of your skin. Humans are humans.
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The Carmudgeon Show is a comedic, information-filled conversation with Jason Cammisa and Derek Tam-Scott, two car enthusiasts who are curmudgeonly beyond their years. Proving you don’t have to be old to be grumpy, they spend each episode talking about what’s wrong with various parts of the automotive universe. Despite their best efforts to keep it negative, they usually wind up laughing, happy, and extolling their love for cars. Which just makes them angrier and more bitter.
ISSIMI is an enthusiast-owned, full-service specialist offering sales, consignment, collection management, service, and consulting to discerning enthusiasts and collectors. Specializing in complex transactions that include international services for exceptional cars, ISSIMI’s San Francisco Bay Area and Europe-based teams of experts pride themselves on transparency and knowledge. ISSIMI also produces enthusiast editorial media, including “Spotlight,” “Jason Cammisa on the Icons,” “The Carmudgeon Show,” and “Proper Care & Feeding of Cars.” Some of the vehicles featured in these editorial products, including the subjects in this Spotlight video, may be listed for sale through ISSIMI’s platform. Please check ISSIMI.com for more information.
Jason Cammisa is an automotive journalist, social-media figure, and TV host with over 250 million views on UA-cam alone. Jason’s deeply technical understanding, made possible by a lifelong obsession with cars, allows him to fully digest what’s going on within an automobile - and then put it into simple terms for others to understand. Also, a Master’s Degree in Law trained him to be impossible to argue with.
Derek Tam-Scott still tries. He’s a young automotive expert with old-man taste in cars, and a Master’s Degree in Civil Engineering - which means he knows how to be civil to Jason. Or at least he tries. With a decade and a half’s experience buying, selling, driving and brokering classic and exotic cars, he’s experienced the world’s most iconic cars. And hated most of them.
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Yearn for the day that you guys will cover hot-hatches. Surprised you haven't made an episode on them yet.
It sucks that the best hot hatches like the Clio Trophy or the Peugeot 205 gti weren’t brought to the US
@@jose7777777777777777 I think this is the reason they haven't covered it. They simply haven't driven the best one's out there like the 205 Rallye or the Clio 182, so it's best not to carmudgen on something they don't have the expertise in.
@@timobolka1 This is certainly how I feel.
Jose Fernandez we don’t even get the fiesta and focus ST anymore, and the Suzuki swift sport looks fun considering how light it is. And then there is the JDM FD2 Type R
ervin yep we’ve missed out on a lot. I assume it’s because the US is mostly straight and wide highways. A fiesta ST would be kinda boring in Florida.
Really levelheaded take at the beginning guys! Appreciate it! Always loved the show
I love your conversations. You deserve the millions of views that other idiotic car channels undeservedly get.
I traveled frequently to Mountain View and Sunnyvale back around 2000 and I was always blown away by the pristine vintage cars I’d see in the company parking lots. Back in Raleigh, NC, where I lived, those cars had long since crumbled to dust, even without salt on the roads. The humidity in the southeast ruins everything that’s not galvanized.
As being a black man my self Jason’s energy is really uplifting thank you both for helping us through quarantine and taking our minds off the negativity
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I love this show. As a black man from Minneapolis, I wish I could only think about stuff I
love like cars and racing. Thank you for speaking about the death of George
Floyd and your support of the protests. Black lives matter.
What do you think about the protests now if i can ask??
@@animehunter3234 There have been hundreds of peaceful protests with thousands of people participating. There have also been dozens of riots - in which people of all colors participated - and they're reprehensible, opportunistic displays of anger.
JasonCammisa "dozens"? Have you seen Santa Monica? "Dozens" in Santa Monica is about right. Hundreds of dozens across the country.
I'm happy we can focus on the reason for these peaceful protests, instead of the opportunism of those rioting. If we're going to use our time to talk about this, let's focus on what we can change in society. Specifically police reform, school reform, tax reform and election reform. Thanks for listening, black lives matter. Volvo 240 is definitely my apocalypse mobile btw, still rolling an 89 w/ fuel injection.
@@JasonCammisa there have been far more than "dozens", and besides your accurate description of them they also do something far worse: they drag the discussion away from where it should be and change the topic of conversation.
The "Lamborghini V10" hasn't been the Lamborghini V10 since 2007. The original Gallardo had a 5L V10 with cylinder bore spacing of 88mm between centres, and this engine wasn't robust at all and was known to have catastrophic failures.
The Audi V10, displacing 5.2L is an elongated version of Audi's 4.2L V8, with a cylinder bore spacing of 90mm. These engine were reportedly capable of producing 1000Nm of torque in stock form, almost double the torque of 1st gen R8 V10 (530Nm).
Long story short, the Lamborghini V10 was a short lived motor (2003-06) which is a good thing considering they weren't capable of running at higher RPMs for long. The Audi V10 has been mistakenly known as the Lamborghini V10 since last 13 years.
The lambo V10 sounds a whole lot better
Jose Fernandez because it wants to explode and doesnt like high rpm.
Really good perspective in the beginning! Makes me love this show even more now.
Derek is referring to the OM606 that came in the 98-99 W210 E300 e-classes. That motor is legendary in the MB diesel community. People in the Nordic countries are tuning them up to 500hp and 5,000rpms using compound supercharged turbos setups.
"how long does an apocalypse last?"
...I dunno, but I think we're about to find out...
This conversation has become valuable and comforting during uncertain circumstances. Thanks for continuing.
I'm convinced the 1993 Camry LE I once had would be a wonderful apocalypse car. I'm convinced that you could replace the oil in that car with strawberry jam and it wouldn't care one bit.
You'd need an all purpose car
2007 Camry LE with 250k. Unstoppable even if it drinks like a real housewife.
Love the corduroy interiors in the 60's. They're surprisingly good cars for leaf springs and a turbo diesel with no power
The W140 diesel is called the "rod bender" for a reason.
45:35 I care! As someone that own 2 V8 Mercedes E-Class's, I demand that you make an episode on Derek's Mercedes V8 E-Class fetish.
I care about DTS' Merc V8 fetish! A V8 Merc discussion would be awesome! Thank You.
I concur!
Yes please!
Same. I have a similar m113 and m113k obsession. It’s an easy decision to come to…when you’ve had a high failure rate in other v8s if pushed, and the AMG variants are robust and prefer you leave your foot in it. Then the cars themselves are before guaranteed obsolescence was added to the offering, insuring the cars are solidly built with nice luxury touches. I actually prefer my 2000 e55 over many new and more recent cars.
Theres a Volvo p1800 with over 3 million miles, I recon that would be the highest mileage to dollar car
I think it’s in a museum now, the owner passed last year or the one before it.
Mentions a Defender in the same breath as a G wagon, yet forgets to mention King of the Desert; Land Cruiser j70
It is a small tragedy that Toyota was never really brought up in this episode. The FJ, Land Cruiser, and 4Runner are essentially the divine manifestation of the question, “But what if a Land Rover was reliable?”
My last 2 vehicles have been 4runners. It's the juggernaut
How can you guys start a topic of zombie apocalypse situation and not speak about Toyota Landcruiser from the get go.
That G300D uses the twin cam OM606 engine. Bulletproof and has a reputation of being the "Diesel world's 2JZ"
@TAI 392 .. +1.. Agreed. The Mercedes’ OM 606 diesel is the bomb performance wise. World Class!
*Petroleum/Diesel/Gas only has a shelf life of about 1 year* (at best), afterwhich the compounds 'go off', break down and seperate into the constituent parts and combustion is no longer possible. So in a post apocalyptic setting where no new fuel is being refined for use, you'd stop seeing all trucks and cars, disappear from use. So the only use for such vehicles would be a mad dash to get what you need or to get to your most desired location before we're reduced to bycicles and boats!
the electric interference stuff is called an EMP (electro magnetic pulse) jason, its a side effect of a nuclear blast (limited range of EMP, large blast damage), or a airburts nuke (larger range of EMP , no damage by blast, larger radioactive fallout), or a solar storm, it can wipe out all the electronics in a determined range, the military equipement have reinforcements against EMPs from nukes, but the solar storm is the civilisation killer ...
What cars can withstand EMP? Gwagen I hope.
@@Laguna2013Any car without circuit boards and computer chips
There's a reason the Norwegian Army still uses G240/300D's - they never seem to die
You guys have really hit your stride. Great work, thank you for sticking with it!
Tam Hyphen I would love to hear about your Mercedes v8 fetish! I have the same affliction. Honest truth I bought my 4th m113 today. A 99’ e430 with 78k miles. Never had a m119 or any of the older v8s so def do an episode!
Same. I’ve happily had and driven 3 m113 cars,… and entertained the idea of adding a fourth, all AMG too, so an added fun factor added.
No one talks about the following 2 things; a) the Penguin Apocalypse and b) the Isuzu Amigo, not for the zombie days but just as a good looking vehicle.
The H3 with a catback exhaust makes a great sound with the atlas 5 cylinder
Toyota Land Cruiser 4.7L V8. It does need fuel but the timing belt can last about 200k miles.
The suspension will handle the most abusive relationship you can think of.
The zombies will most likely cause it to last longer since blood can stop rust.
actually preppers go for the 90s dodge RAM with the cummins turbo diesel, they withstand 600hp with stock internals, you can boost them fairly easy, but you might need a transmission ...
and what does 600 HP and a broken transmission mean in a post-apocalyptic world? I find preppers to be irresponsible and grossly irrational citizens who are betting on our society to fail, and make intentionally wasteful choices in the meantime for no good reason, predominantly because they WANT the world to end. It's a mental illness.
@@Trendyflute it can doesn't mean you should ... as for preppers they have a different view on life that most people can't understand, saying that they want the shit to hit the fan is like saying to a guy that having too many airbags means he want to crash, you don't make any sense
I recently worked on a H3 hummer that was a 5 speed manual,... every light including the airbag was on... had 31 codes in the PCM... complete POS... after tires frame work, airbags, among a huge list of parts, it was "drivable" and still a complete POS.. I did see a turbo diesel swapped H2 and is was decent.. zombie apocalypse I would have to go with a Toyota or Nissan truck, or V8 Raptor.. or Volvo 850 wagon..
Well said guys and great transition.
Guys, you really need to try a well modified Land Cruiser HDJ80 diesel. It is the perfect expedition/zombie apocalipse vehicle
I care about the W124 episode! I have had 6 and still own my first one (restoring it fron the ground up for the past seven years)
Thanks for mentioning the Land cruiser, these are the cars i grew up with & still own & drive till today its my daily driver, I have 1993 80 series with dark green metallic color, my dad took me to the dealer late 1992 & I insisted on that color which was a special order, I have that car till today, mind you in 2009 I completely restored it, changed the color to the BMW M3 CSL A08 Sterling Silver Metallic, fully rebuilt the engine with forged internals, fitted 2xGTX3076R, it puts down 823whp with close value in torque at 26psi of boost never been happier.
This was one of the funniest episodes ever!
Fun W123 fact. The early automatic (maybe even up to '82) had the rear pump in the auto box attached to the prop shaft, so if you rolled it fast enough, like down a long enough hill, you could roll start them! Even the diesel!
Sorry Jason- no excuse for destruction. If they did this to your property, you’d be pissed.
The Michigan comment @35:47 is 100% me on my first visit to LA in 2010. Wow. The land that rust forgot.
I have a large dump truck with a Big Cam Cummins diesel (855cubic inches) that's all mechanical fuel injection. And it doesn't even have glow plugs, or a grid heater. I also live in Pittsburgh, that thing starts right up when it's 20 degrees outside, it'll start when it's -10 out if you plug the block heater in. So I don't think you guys will have any issues getting something started in the Bay Area.
Also, I second the Landcruser, the one Jason had was a 60 series, I've had 2 80 series (and still have one of them) and my wife dries an LX470, the things are bulletproof! I'd take a diesel 5 speed 80 series and have no problems with an apocalypse
Guys I love your podcast! However last few episodes I am starting to miss what I loved in the first ones - the educational part. I was glad to learn a lot of new information about cars, where you mentioned some not so known car or technology and would go "wait we have to explain this to the listnerers who dont know". Now you just mention the cars and tech without explanation and often times I dont know what you are talking about. Please let more fact get back in to the conversations for us not so well versed in older cars;-)
The GM Atlas platform inline 4/5/6 are great. The 5 is kind of in a weird spot but it makes decent torque and is very useable.
a G-wagen will totally blow its shocks under whatever its shortest service interval. A diesel hilux will outlast anything
I agree with Regular Car Reviews:
The perfect apocalypse starter kit is a dual sport motorcycle, a pistol, and a baseball bat! Car wise though I’d take a 1st gen RAV4, crazy reliable and the 4WD can go anywhere
One major argument for the M-B W123 and the W124 diesels is they are still running as taxis in middle eastern countries where war has been the normal state of things for decades...
Also you can run them on used vegetable oil, just raid all the fast food restaurants. Old frying oil is a great fuel in the older M-B diesel engines.
A W123 Diesel estate... Was my first car. It started every time, even at -20°C, it didn't use too much fuel, it had great engine breaking. (great when you live in the alps) and was incredibly spacious and relaxing to drive. As for the engine never dying, i have one story... It was incredibly hot (for my standards, 37°C) and the car was parked in direct sun for the whole day. In the afternoon we went to a shop. When i turned the key and pulled it out of the starter lock, the engine kept running. My collegue from the passenger seat looked at me, i showed him the key, we didn't know what to say or do, so we got out of the car, i locked the doors (the car still running), and then by some strange idea, i grabbed the roof reeling and shook the car "a tiny bit". Engine went out. After we got our things, the car behaved completely normal on the way back. (I think this incident of it not switching off occured twice in that summer, but never afterwards of before that.)
I would get a Middle East/Australia market J200 Diesel Toyota Land Cruiser, that thing will last until the end of time, and then some.
For me it’s my E92 M3. I’d sack a store for a trunk full of spare oil and gas station gift cars. Gathering spare parts to hide for later would help give me a task to ground myself during crazy times. A solo drive in my car clears my head and helps me live in the moment like no other. This effect was once well known and is destined to be revived as a prescription for depression, insomnia, and many others.
2012 Jeep Liberty would be No 2 bc it’s a great car. V6 that always works and very well. Perfect size.
I'd like to suggest a M1009 Blazer for the end of days. Love the show :)
We should make a Carmudgeon song....
End of times vehicle? Unimog! The end.
In Australia they say, "If you want to get into the bush take a Land Rover, but if you want to get back home take a Toyota."
Jason might like this one: Volkswagen Touareg V10 turbo diesel?
It kinda needs to be atleast somewhat reliable.
those 3.0L OM606 diesels are bulletproof. Mechanical fuel pump mod and some new plumbing will get you 380whp and 460tq
Well, you guys are not afraid of taking part and speak out.
You always had my respect, now you have it so much more.
And of course that is referred to the non car related topic
I think Toyota Land Cruisers get reaaallly up there too with high mileage and high prices too, especially the 70s/80s cars.
First off words cannot describe how much of a fan I am of your YTs. As I have probably said in the comments before it's almost as if someone has taken my innermost and passionate car related thoughts and put them out there. I have refrained myself from making that same statement in almost every single one of your YTs.
However the first 2 minutes of this episode is a high watermark for me. It was a reasonable, mature discussion that cuts through quite a bit of the crazy BS that is flying around at the moment about the sad and unfortunate circumstances in your country at this time. Keep it up and hopefully peace, love and understanding will prevail very soon …….. now back to normal programming.
4000 quattros are absolute beasts with a set of snows especially with center and rear diffs locked. And, since the fan is electric and the water pump is ran off the timing belt, maybe it is a good apocalypse car? Who am I kidding they have other issues as well. Great episode!
I'm only 3 minutes in, but a turbodiesel Land Cruiser would be a boss as fuck apocalypse vehicle
Nothing was slower than the ‘Vette I drove in high school...Chevette that is. At 50 with the A/C on, going WOT did nothing more than deliver more racket from the engine bay.
Quickest I've ever tapped a notification
A vehicle to survive the apocalypse: surely an early 1960s Rolls-Royce Phantom V by Mulliner Park Ward - you can sleep in it; and when they throw stones at it, you can offer them a drink...
My money is on a Toyota Mega Cruiser for a zombie apocalypse rig. All the reliability of a Land Cruiser, diesel engine so it'll run on all the used deep fryer oil you can find, and the unstoppable offroad ability of the Hummer H1. Yes it might as wide as an 18 wheeler, but if the route is too narrow, just plow through.
I think the main Problem of the Defender is that it also lost its body on frame construction. Which is what you want when you go for a simple, rough offroader. For most people it will not matter as it does technically most of the stuff they want it to do. It`s still good offroad but for ho long when you are Overlanding for example? The modern version can also take less load and because of the Unibody, it is hard to modify for that kind of needs. Try to repair a new Defender somewhere out in Wilderness or just try to get a new pair of tires for the new model in the middle of nowhere. - That`s all important out there and the Defender was one of the Top-3 Overlanding cars used in the scene.
My apocalypse car is definitely a 80 series landcruiser
Best zombie apocalypse car for me: definitely estate car, diesel, low/no electronics. Peugeot 504 Diesel Estate, W126 Estate conversion, BMW 525tds e34 Touring no that has an electronic engine management thingy so no. Citroen CX2500 because: electrically adjustable doormirror, oil level can be checked from the inside, spare is in the front so I don't have to unpack everything, tyre changes are super easy and it's comfy and spacious.
"There was a great speech by Van Jones..." I knew we were off the rails at that point.
Ariel Nomad is the best apocalypse car, or best car period.
I’d get my diesel W163. It has been with me for over 10 years now and it’s my go to car if I can’t predict road conditions or weather. Not very long ago I recieved a phonecall in the middle of the night saying that I needed to get to a hospital, so I just took a car and went. Sitting at a red light, it hit me: I am in the ML, I did not think about taking it, but my subconcious did.
Plus, it did pretty good against dinosaurs, it will handle zombies without breaking a sweat.
Having driven many miles in a Military Hummer , yes they sick to drive on the road but would be a good Zombie vehicle.
sounds like a 4x4 swapped Perkins diesel Ford Ranger would fit your zombie apocolypse criteria pretty well
The wrangler is so unreliable you would want the zombies to own them.
Jeep xj. Uncles went 140k with zero service. No oil changes just adding when low. Sold it for 3k still running after 15 years. Timing chain last forever and will run with common cracked cylinder head on late motors, just add water. Cut trans cooler lines from the radiator to prevent coolant mixing when the rad fails. Also there's a diesel engine option if imported.
They should do an episode where they describe their dream garages (money is not a problem) and why they'd pick those cars.
One car that should be considered is the Volvo 245. Not fast, but sturdy and reliable.
I know this is an old video but the original Willys Jeeps had a 9 slot grill. It was actually Ford that came up the 7 slot grill
2006 Dodge Cummings, best truck ever
Honda Gold Wing GL1500 for a quick, nimble get out of dodge vehicle. My ick for a car would be a 1st gen Ford Crown Vic PI. I had one that I completely never, ever maintained for 200k miles before the transmission died. The Ford parts bin of abandoned cars would keep it running forever.
audi 4000 quattro does not have a fan belt. it has an electric fan behind the radiator which is side mounted. it has an alternator and power steering belt that is at the nose
Jeep name came from either the GP name or from Eugene the Jeep, a cartoon. No one seems to really know which.
Isnt electronic ignition voulnerable to emp? Points style distributors would be ideal? Montana will use a ton of gravel and small amounts of salt. Buying snow tires is so much easier than buying a subframe in 5 years
they sell g350d in Europe. we never got it in north America
An apocalypse vehicle has to be a Toyota 4x4 if its on 4 wheels, or an XR650 or KLR if its on 2 wheels.
Good insights as usual, and I thought you guys were really going to forget about the Landcruiser - glad to see it wasn't missed! However, if I am in a zombie apocalypse, somehow I would still feel a bit safer in a Ripsaw EV2, or a Conquest Knight EV, Kombat T-98, the Marauder, and other absolutely silly armoured vehicles. Maybe one of the models from the lesser-known Inkas company. What about a Unimog? I think it would tick-off every box possible, and then go to a whole new level having a Unimog converted into a fancy overlander - you will survive and be able to pledge allegiance to your new cockroach overlords. Love your discussions!
The ideal apocalypse car can only be the Chrysler turbine car, no maintenance, runs on anything that is flammable.
Until those really old turbine parts deteriorate beyond repair. Which is pretty much as soon as they get worn...
Tam-Scott needs to get some sound deadening. And the ability to put a noise floor on your microphones to get rid of the background hiss.
Dicks! 😂 From one proud Defender owner... 2016 90, not that new comfortable looking thing. Love your work chaps, podcast gold!
Make that 500E episode happen guys
Y’all named so many of my favorite models in this episode.. I guess I’ve always subconsciously been a fan of zombie apocalypse cars (or, as I’ve always put it, “cars that are built to carry out a specific task WELL”)..
and the 4000q was one of my introductions to Audis many many years ago, and will always hold a special place in my heart.
Volvo 245s, Jeeps, Suzuki 4WDs of various shapes (!!!)... The list could go on and on.
And yeah, to reiterate what you said (and it’s a shame we’re still saying this shit in 2020), Fuck Racism y’all. ✌️
Want a gas land cruiser 4.7 with the timing belt. 275 hp v8 32 valve. They go great on and off road and are designed to survive 7 to 8 zombie time periods
the OM606 can see north of 300hp with an upgraded turbo and mechanical high pressure fuel pump, so a fast diesel G wagon with no electronics is possible, if you have enough courage to drive it fast, guess the fear will bring out the courage if you really needed to
W123 - Little, old Diesel machine. You don´t even need a battery to get it going - just a little push and it goes. Otherwise every car similar to that. You even get an old G-Class with that kind of engine.
After apocalypse transporter definitely must be from military fleet as these cars are customized to bear some armor, bullet proof windows, injection systems that can mix different fuels, have reduction gears, have higher ground clearance, anti-flood air intake and exhaust, non-deflating tires , hermetic cabin, etc...therefore such way made Hummer H1, Unimog, other similar vehicles like Iveco LMV or directly battle purposed 8x8 transporter...I saw some billionaire had this type of car as base tailored on some heavy duty truck from GM as well... Consider...when apocalypse spreads there is no law, police, restrictions, theft and nor murder aren’t crime anymore...you can just go and steal some of these vehicles at first opportunity....
How about a Unimog?
Looking forward to another great podcast!
Much love to Jason and Derek for that intro.
I vote for the Toyota 4Runner.
When I was stationed in Hawaii them Sidekicks were Everywhere would like very much have one now. 😢 life I have
I read that that red huracan needed only needed a gearbox replacement at 180k miles. But other than that it was very reliable.
90's ford square body F-350 with an international diesel...based on the abuse from Zip Ties and Bias Plies channel. Or something reliable with a cummins 12valve swapped in with mechanical injectors
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