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I have always wondered why the journalists loved the styling of the AM DB11. I thought it went the wrong direction stylistically. Everyone I read said that it was this exceptionally beautiful car and I just didn't agree whatsoever. I see them all over OC and they're not good looking. It's refreshing to hear Jason say/think the same.
I totally agree . I never really understood the current styling with its new grill and felt it didn't looked as elegant as the old cars with that old grill but somehow no reviews or journalist ever said that .
I really enjoyed this episode. I owned a 1977 Aston V8 for a glorious summer in the UK in the 1980's. It was a pre "Oscar India" specification (i.e. before all the wood and other "Rolls Royce" type wood refinements that were to follow). Back then I couldn't afford the Oscar India spec cars, but now in retrospect, I really now appreciate the simple beauty of the black Smith gauges set into the black leather dash of my car. That car had the simple 3 speed auto, that suited the car's GT personality and daily drive-ability (Prior to getting my car, I had also tested a DBS V8 Manual and found the clutch much too demanding and unrefined to be viable as a car that would be pleasant to drive around London, where I was staying that summer). My 1977 Aston had an enormous, open mouthed, functional hood scoop that fed air into the engine. It also had an elegant sloping tail (not the tail of the later Oscar India cars that had a subtle rear spoiler built into the design). It was an amazing car that took me all around London and on many adventures around the British Capital. Sadly, I was unable to keep it for long and I sold it on, but retain many fond memories of a really splendid car. By the way, there is an important period prior to the sale onto Ford that was during the stewardship of Victor Gauntlett. He really kept Aston Martin Lagonda alive and relatively stable until the Ford era and deserves to be recognized as another charismatic personality in the marque's history. I echo your discussion that the recent AMG engined Vantages can never be better than their equivalent Mercedes AMG variants (e.g. the brilliant AMG GTR in particular), as the Astons will always be burdened with previous generation Mercedes satnav electronics and other engine management "bits". Time will tell what AMG's Tobias appointment to head Aston really means. If it signifies an increased interest by Mercedes in Aston Martin, a tremendous amount of work and capital would be needed to remedy the issues with the current crop of Astons. To a relatively conservative German corporation like Mercedes, this 'testing of the waters' combination of its %5 ownership stake and Tobias' appointment may be a short term effort to evaluate if the brand could/would work under full Mercedes control. Remember, it took Mercedes almost a decade of slow buy-in of AMG itself, until it was fully integrated into Mercedes. For both Aston and Mercedes, this may not be workable as was the case with Bentley with VWAG and Rolls with BMW. I would be fascinated as to what Andy Palmer has to say...
I'm reservedly hopeful for Aston's future. Edit: Jason, that video you did on the V12 Vantage S is one of my favorite car videos ever. It's what inspired me to buy my current 4.7L Vantage.
@@johnbacon4997 I do! It's a fantastic car, especially after I replaced the original, worn-out clutch with a twin disc unit. The six-speed manual is excellent and the V8 is smooth and sonorous, not like that blatty, fuel-wasting AMG crap in the new ones. Unbelievable value for the money, too. Doubly so if you do your own maintenance. It's now taken the place of my e39 M5 as the best car I've ever owned.
Yeah! TVR's are sooo bad! Like the guy who drove to the Nurburgring in the Rain and was zig-zagging all over the highway in belgium. Why: Because the wiper only worked when he turned the steering left!
@@gustavoflorio5383 you literally had the same 3.8 litre in all mclaren until the 720 showed up and put the company on the map as a legit player and not a parts bin car maker (it's good for company to test out new platforms to be ahead of the curve) .......why do you have to suck up for them?
@@grievuspwn4g3 But both V8, V12's were pretty amazing....this is one is good, not amazing. Yes, it's loud, but in a crude way compared to the flat planes.
@@JasonCammisa You're the most amazing reviewer. But, when you say the Vantage drove like utter garbage, why did all the other journalists like Henry Catchpole say it's pretty good. I thought you and Henry had fairly similar opinions and taste. I'm confused.
I have to agree the prior generation Aston Martin’s look way better than current ones. The DBS Superleggera (pretty sure I misspelled that), is by far the best looking of the current gen.
19:28 when you changed your accent, It made me nostalgic of your Bentley Ignition episode. Jason, I want to know did you read the comment section just after you left motor trend, if yes what was your reaction when everyone was ranting "Bring back Addam Sandler".
my 4.7L v8 vantage with 200 cell cats, airbox delete and a tune sounds fucking glorious, great car, I may never sell it as there is nothing today I'd trade it for
I appreciate the Aston Martin history lesson. Like Jason I really had no idea what they were up to in the 70s and 80s. I really don't remember anything besides the V8 Vantage that James Bond drove in one movie, and the DB7 appearing in GranTourismo and being difficult to drive in the game.
I remember the Mazda NC Super20! I saw it at Laguna Seca and got to sit in it (it was on static display during either the historics or one of the ALMS or Grand-Am races).
Thanks for another great video. I'm glad you guys got into Aston, a brand that I love because of the history and the VH cars. I agree with all the aspects that Jason points to about the Vantage. The sounds, the feel of the controls and overall driving experience, the beauty. There's also the smell of the leather and the finish of everything. Compare the paint finish on an Aston to any competitor. It's all so unique to the brand. It feels like a car that humans put together for the sole purpose of enjoyment. If some utility is to be had, so be it. A note on the upgraded clutch, it does use parts from a twin plate V12 but it's not exactly the same kit. It is a HUGE benefit though, mostly in the way the lighter flywheel lets the engine rev more freely.
I’m loving these. It’s like heading to the pub on a Tuesday night to meet up with friends for a few quiet pints, only your friends are as into cars as you are.
Derek, when the V8 Zagato came out I too thought it was hideous. I took me the same 20 or so years go come back to it and totally fall in love with the look (well, except the rear exhaust treatment). The V8 "Ducktail" coupes are my favorite along with the Lagonda.
DTS, the section on 80s-90s Astons is phenomenal. I knew nothing about them, buy my god do they look special. Absolutely gorgeous. Thank you for this episode!
Awesome listen as always. Can we have episodes on automotive personalities like piech, montezemelo, etc., specifically stories about them that show their character, like when on his 1st day Montezemelo took a ferrari to the airport, but it was so bad that he returned right back with it and got to work, or when porsche made the mistake of not listening to preuninger regarding 991 R production numbers
30mins in and I'm struggling to understand how any car set up dynamically by the chassis guru Matt Becker, who gained his reputation of being one of the best in biz from his days at Lotus, can be such a disappointment, as Jason says. Edit 1: The 3rd gen Bentley Continental GT (ongoing model) was launched in 2018, V8 came in 2019. When you were at MT and drove that CGT V8 it was the 2nd gen V8 model, which was on sale till 2018. I know it can be confusing as they look largely the same, but the 3rd gen has the engine pushed back a few inches.
Matt Becker has done some magnificent chassis tuning and I have zero doubts in my mind he would have/will get the new cars right. But I bet if you looked at a Michelangelo sculpture when he was only halfway through chiseling it out of a rock, it wouldn't be the work of art you expected. That's what happened here. And yes, I just didn't have the MYs in front of me... but the switch from Audi's MLB to Porsche's MSB is a night-and-day one. That's the change I'm talking about.
I think the constant economical peril that aston martin was always facing gave them their unique personality, the constant part sharing between engines and platforms for decades that created the best aston martins. Because all great astons are derivatives and evolutions of other cars. For example when they were designing the lagonda in the 70's they found out that the pointy low shape and the tall v8 didn't go very well together and the intake was very restrictive, as a result power was low and to mitigate that they fitted much more aggressive cams pistons etc Then they thought it would be a nice idea to fit those new parts in a regular v8 coupe and voila the v8 vantage was made A few years latter a customer from Johannesburg (high altitude) complained that he was losing to a 930 and so for a fee they changed the carb and the pistons and boom, the x pack was created. Aston martin is a company that is accustomed to situations like this so i think they will be ok, i just hope they don't end up like that other niche car company that made very good looking and sounding gt cars and now makes diesel sedans with big panel gaps, maserati Also Derek that greek name was Livanos no need for extra letters PS. The v12 s review is probably my favourite video in the entirety of the internet, the sound, the visuals, the point, the bad german everything was fantastic and of course the car which is in my all time top 5 cars
Oh my god finally! Thank you Jason for sharing your thoughts on the DB11 styling. Ever since I saw one in magazines, I thought it looked absurdly overstyled and flashy and ‘trying too hard’. Thought seeing one in person would help, and it didn’t. But every single automotive article on the car raves about the design. Feels so good to be validated lol
It's fuse 22 yes, I have an identical Vantage to that black one in the video, a 2013 4.7 manual removed secondary cats, removed airboxes with GT4 air filters for more induction noise and better noise I don't think I can do much better than that. Lighter flywheel and better clutch maybe when it's time.
Aston also is about to take over the Racing Point F1 team in 2021, I'm sure they have big plans for the future of the company, otherwise Toto Wolff wouldn't have bought a share of the company, he definitely knows some stuff.
They are not taking over the Racing Point team. Lawrence Stroll and his investor group (who own Racing Point) BOUGHT Aston....that's why they are becoming Aston F1 team.
You're not exaggerating that that Aston with the Larini exhaust DOES sound great (thank you for inserting that clip)! Maybe worth a podcast? Comparing famous after-market exhausts? I always thought Tubis make all Ferraris sound worse than standard, but Larinis always get it right/make it better. Other example: Tyler Hoover's 355 (before it burnt down) also had a Larini I believe. Enhanced an already great sounding car to an epic level. Then the sudden new boy on the block: Akrapovic: moped muffler maufacturer from Poland or AMG P & C (Pops and Crackles) delivery system? And on the topic of P & Cs; aren't they all just useless explosions of excess fuel in the exhaust causing needlessly high fuel consumption instead of sonorously tuning an exhaust system to release CO2 fumes? Anyways, love the podcasts!
Finally someone said something honest about tested cars, thank you! All I hear otherwise in ordinary reviews is how everything is perfect, because they need more cars for testing in the future and are afraid to criticize anything.
@ 37:17 funny story, one time I was driving home from the mall on the highway and ran into some traffic, sure enough it was some guy in a red convertible one of those old DB7’s broken down in the center lane. The poor guy was super mad over the phone
great episode, learned a lot! You guys forgot one train wreck of German stewardship though, Daimler Benz buying Chrysler! (The story of that ownership leading to today's Charger/Challenger would be good episode material!
I might be a bit late to the party on this episode, but rest assured DTS, you're not the only one who cares or paid attention to Aston in the 90s. Jason, may say no car magazines paid them any attention, but that's a US centric view. I have magazines pitching them against all the relevant rivals in the day, everything from a Mercedes 500SC to a Countach, Testarossa and 930. Then, when the DB7 came out, the original reviews where 'ok', until the V12 Vantage version appeared and then they turned to "this was the car they should have launched with". That said, I share a "car age" similar to yourself and have been very lucky to drive a massive variety of some of the world's most desirable cars from the 30's to 90s.
A v8 passed me whilst i was waliking as a kid in england and i,ve never heard anything as nice since a beautiful pure been lusting after one ever since
In fairness, Andy inherited an ancient portfolio from Bez, the parts bin specials (The S cars, the AMRs) were wearing thin, the business hadn't put any money towards new models. Palmer really got the poisoned chalice.
I didn't think the DB11 looked bad. I think the Vantage looks striking... no elegance at all. I think they were trying to appeal to the younger buyer. I think they should have made the design more reserved, elegant, but release some black badge version for the younger generation (cough Rolls Royce method). They probably over spent on the sudden development of hypercar projects: the Valkyrie and son of Valkyrie... I laughed at Ferrari for their Laferrari where they had to ban journalists from weighing, dynoing, or hotlapping the car, because the car was super overweight over the original supposed specs, and it wasn't as fast as it should in a straight line and on track. Aston Martin were going to make a 1100kg, 1100hp NA V12 car that corners at 3+g's, while Ferrari could only make a 1600kg, 950hp car? Now Ferrari is rolling in dough, while AM is being slapped. and raped in the principle's office, and a German guy has to step in to fix the company.
Agree on the "younger buyer" for new Vantage, but how many 30 year old millionaires are there? Very tough segment. Bottom line, younger buyers that have never owned an Aston will like Vantage; but if you have owned previous gen..."what have they done!" ugh.
I like Jason in this format much more than I liked him on Motor Trend. Makes me wonder if I would have liked Chris Harris if I had only seen his Top Gear stuff which I like far less than I like his pre-Top Gear stuff
FYI - I'll be patiently awaiting for your next podcast to cover the iconic L322. I'm thinking of purchasing a 2010-12 model year L322. Sadly, it seems that I'll have to drive to SoCal to purchase one because NorCal's inventory sucks. My eyes are telling me YES but my gut is telling me NO!
Great episode, but that's nothing new (thank you guys!). I missed one of my favourite cars ever in the conversation though: the 70's Lagonda with its astonishing proportions and crazy electronics that probably could give enough talk for a whole episode. I also love the 80's V8 and its mix of brute and gentleman, especially the late Vantage cars with the lower front and the blind, body-colored grille
@@Dtamscott I would love that!!! But it's not like I would miss one Carmudgeon episode if you don't. Thanks again for doing this, you guys are a highlight in my week as I'm sure you are for many other people
You are aware that the guy who just got sacked by Aston Martin was the same guy responsible for the strange Nissan Le Mans thing a few years back, are you? So basically the guy who loudly announced things they never could accomplish with Nissans Le Mans Project also announced an Aston Martin Le Mans project...
@@nirfz Need some F1 wins to sell merchandise...I think that's the plan to increase the "halo" of the brand. They've tried mightily to be a lifestyle brand, minimal success outside of UK.
An episode on company rivalries, like when porsche couldn't match nissan's gtr nurburgring lap times, nissan offered driving lessons to porsche's drivers(crazy when u think rohrl was one of them).
Private debut of the "new Vantage" here in San Diego back in '17.....so, so disappointing. Driven 3 of them...opinion hasn't changed. The specialness is gone, Palmer blew it.
Thanks for the episode, some good knowledge as always! Probably the biggest difference of car's sound between a recording and a real life sound is Aston's V12. Couldn't believe how good and rich the sound is in person. By the way, anyone interested should try listening to Andrew Frankel's and Dan Prosser's DriveNation podcast on Aston Martin. There are some good insights and history of the brand although a lot of the information was said here as well.
"If you don't like the weather, just wait 15 min...it will change!" = Every place I have ever been. Can we all please stop this phrase and its variations?
The Bay Area isn't waiting, it's geographical microclimates. I have friends who live less than a mile away who have A/C on when I have heat on. And it doesn't change -they roast all summer, I'm comfy, and 2 miles the other way, they freeze.
360s are such underrated sports cars, a hard top in a tasteful spec with manual gearbox should be respected as a great choice instead of a poor mans 458. If you consider all the obvious variables they are a fast reliable great handling fun sports car which looks and sounds incredible. I love these classic Astons but could never justify buying one.
The car i loved in the 90's was the 4 door Aston Martin Lagonda in 94. Even made a shooting brake. Did 186mph and was low production and shit build quality but cool af.
Regarding the NC you talked about, it brings to mind how gearing is done in manuals. What's your thoughts on how almost every manual car 2nd gear tops at 60?
I get why it's done - to pull that extra shift out of the 0-60 time. I love how many car companies (Alfa, even BMW) are throwing STUPID short ratios in their automatics (some topping out 3rd before 60!) because they shift so fast. But nobody's doing with the manuals (except Miata) because they don't realize we DGAF about 0-60 times!
BMW had no interest in "saving" Rover. They were only after the brands Rover owned, in particular Mini. They tried to resurrect Austin Healey, but the Healey family actually still owns the name.
I'm not an expert on cars but Jason's right: That Lamborghini Urus doesn't look like fun, even being that capable. And to sumarize it: 43:45 Aston Martin is my favorite car company. Being in love with the first V12 Vantage at 2010 and saw it replaced with a far better V12 Vantage S has me wondering: Would this newer Vantage get a S variant with better everything (except looks. I don't think Aston can surpass the beauty on Fishker design. We'll see) under new leadership? Or this will become another robotic German engineering marvel (one that can be great, but can't be fun at all)?
I like Jason, and his reviews, in general, but pretty sad when they only know the most superficial differences between a GT3T and 911R. Good thing I don’t really listen to these guys for car advice but rather comedic relief. Then again, I loved the looks of the new Vantage so much, I bought one. No accounting for tastes. Finally, I think Andy Palmer came out with a great portfolio of cars. He just didn’t pay attention to balancing the books. Got fired for not making money.
Jason what do you think of the new DBS Superleggera? I personally think it's gorgeous and the other journalists seem to praise the driving dynamics (at least comparatively to the std model or current flock of Aston Martins) ... So I'm curious if you have any experience with it and what your thoughts are. If you please 🤗....
It am a bit surprised with your opinion on the new aston cars . I knew the looks aren't there like the old cars but somehow on mostly every review they said it's not bad and it looks good in person . And I haven't heard they drive that bad .
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Bruh you trippin for thinking the DB11 is ugly 😭😭
Still love you tho
I’m getting one! (Incl tax & shipping to Sweden..)
If you buy an Aston, it has to be a V12. why would you pick the V8? then it's basically just a mustang.
@@M67v it's not the best
I have always wondered why the journalists loved the styling of the AM DB11. I thought it went the wrong direction stylistically. Everyone I read said that it was this exceptionally beautiful car and I just didn't agree whatsoever. I see them all over OC and they're not good looking. It's refreshing to hear Jason say/think the same.
We don't make enough money to afford new prescriptions in our glasses. I have 20/20 vision - no glasses needed!
I think it’s stunning 🤷🏾♂️
I totally agree . I never really understood the current styling with its new grill and felt it didn't looked as elegant as the old cars with that old grill but somehow no reviews or journalist ever said that .
I kinda agree with the styling of the DBS Superleggera, portrayed in the thumbnail. But DB11 is weird looking for sure.
The problem with DB11's looks is that they have put a a bad Lamborghini styled bodykit on a Aston chassis.
I really enjoyed this episode. I owned a 1977 Aston V8 for a glorious summer in the UK in the 1980's. It was a pre "Oscar India" specification (i.e. before all the wood and other "Rolls Royce" type wood refinements that were to follow). Back then I couldn't afford the Oscar India spec cars, but now in retrospect, I really now appreciate the simple beauty of the black Smith gauges set into the black leather dash of my car. That car had the simple 3 speed auto, that suited the car's GT personality and daily drive-ability (Prior to getting my car, I had also tested a DBS V8 Manual and found the clutch much too demanding and unrefined to be viable as a car that would be pleasant to drive around London, where I was staying that summer). My 1977 Aston had an enormous, open mouthed, functional hood scoop that fed air into the engine. It also had an elegant sloping tail (not the tail of the later Oscar India cars that had a subtle rear spoiler built into the design). It was an amazing car that took me all around London and on many adventures around the British Capital. Sadly, I was unable to keep it for long and I sold it on, but retain many fond memories of a really splendid car. By the way, there is an important period prior to the sale onto Ford that was during the stewardship of Victor Gauntlett. He really kept Aston Martin Lagonda alive and relatively stable until the Ford era and deserves to be recognized as another charismatic personality in the marque's history.
I echo your discussion that the recent AMG engined Vantages can never be better than their equivalent Mercedes AMG variants (e.g. the brilliant AMG GTR in particular), as the Astons will always be burdened with previous generation Mercedes satnav electronics and other engine management "bits". Time will tell what AMG's Tobias appointment to head Aston really means. If it signifies an increased interest by Mercedes in Aston Martin, a tremendous amount of work and capital would be needed to remedy the issues with the current crop of Astons. To a relatively conservative German corporation like Mercedes, this 'testing of the waters' combination of its %5 ownership stake and Tobias' appointment may be a short term effort to evaluate if the brand could/would work under full Mercedes control. Remember, it took Mercedes almost a decade of slow buy-in of AMG itself, until it was fully integrated into Mercedes. For both Aston and Mercedes, this may not be workable as was the case with Bentley with VWAG and Rolls with BMW. I would be fascinated as to what Andy Palmer has to say...
I'm reservedly hopeful for Aston's future.
Edit: Jason, that video you did on the V12 Vantage S is one of my favorite car videos ever. It's what inspired me to buy my current 4.7L Vantage.
Ugh... I love that car
@@mohammd The best of the Bez, Callum, Fisker era: V12 Vantage, DB9, and Vanquish. Pure Aston.
Do you love your Vantage?
@@johnbacon4997 I do! It's a fantastic car, especially after I replaced the original, worn-out clutch with a twin disc unit. The six-speed manual is excellent and the V8 is smooth and sonorous, not like that blatty, fuel-wasting AMG crap in the new ones. Unbelievable value for the money, too. Doubly so if you do your own maintenance.
It's now taken the place of my e39 M5 as the best car I've ever owned.
Take a shot each time they say "we should do an episode on this"
You should see our list of potential episodes..
It was.just about 3 times on this one.
@@JasonCammisa where is the Piëch episode?
"If you know, you know'...not sure why I thought of this, then.... TVR. Episode on TVR !!!
Yes please.
Yeah! TVR's are sooo bad! Like the guy who drove to the Nurburgring in the Rain and was zig-zagging all over the highway in belgium.
Why:
Because the wiper only worked when he turned the steering left!
Ugh... I wanted a Cerbera 4.5 so badly!
My inner carmudgeon was thrilled by this episode.
I enjoy watching this , I hope we can get more reviews when covid is over
Woohoo. Been waiting for exactly this. Loved it on TST yday Jason!
Thanks! :)
@@JasonCammisa Thank-you for a great show.
“The repair bills were just as epic as its off-road prowess.” - p o e t r y 😊
Amazing
Expect every Aston Martin from now on to have the same 4.0L twin turbo v8 across all the ranges in various states of tune. How exciting...../sarcasm
So what mclaren does...
@@nikhildrao227 and that's a really weak point on those fantastic cars.
A 540C and a Speedtail share the same engine, how sad it is?!
@@gustavoflorio5383 you literally had the same 3.8 litre in all mclaren until the 720 showed up and put the company on the map as a legit player and not a parts bin car maker (it's good for company to test out new platforms to be ahead of the curve) .......why do you have to suck up for them?
@@grievuspwn4g3 But both V8, V12's were pretty amazing....this is one is good, not amazing. Yes, it's loud, but in a crude way compared to the flat planes.
Ironic considering the fact that they announced they're canning the V8 for a V6.
I'm an easy motorhead... anything with Jason Cammisa in it I watch!
I'm an easy commenter - anything with this kind of comment, I like! :-)
@@JasonCammisa You're the most amazing reviewer. But, when you say the Vantage drove like utter garbage, why did all the other journalists like Henry Catchpole say it's pretty good. I thought you and Henry had fairly similar opinions and taste. I'm confused.
I agree with Jason - I think the DB11 and new Vantage are trying too hard.
@@abalakrishnan4152 Maybe they just lost what made them unique, what made them Astons and just became good cars. 🤷
@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks Makes sense.
I have to agree the prior generation Aston Martin’s look way better than current ones. The DBS Superleggera (pretty sure I misspelled that), is by far the best looking of the current gen.
19:28 when you changed your accent, It made me nostalgic of your Bentley Ignition episode.
Jason, I want to know did you read the comment section just after you left motor trend, if yes what was your reaction when everyone was ranting "Bring back Addam Sandler".
Damn, I thought I was the only one who missed those after they did the horrible deed to delete em all
my 4.7L v8 vantage with 200 cell cats, airbox delete and a tune sounds fucking glorious, great car, I may never sell it as there is nothing today I'd trade it for
Absolutely nothing sounds like it...flat plane NA V8/V12's are glorious. Keepers.
I appreciate the Aston Martin history lesson. Like Jason I really had no idea what they were up to in the 70s and 80s. I really don't remember anything besides the V8 Vantage that James Bond drove in one movie, and the DB7 appearing in GranTourismo and being difficult to drive in the game.
I remember the Mazda NC Super20! I saw it at Laguna Seca and got to sit in it (it was on static display during either the historics or one of the ALMS or Grand-Am races).
Since discovering ISSIMI, I think I may have watched all of Mr Camissa's back catalogue of videos on the internet.
He's now uploading vids from his motortrend days on his personal UA-cam channel if you're looking for reruns!
When you let new money into your car company you have to be careful they might not have the same vision for your car company that you had
Thanks for another great video. I'm glad you guys got into Aston, a brand that I love because of the history and the VH cars. I agree with all the aspects that Jason points to about the Vantage. The sounds, the feel of the controls and overall driving experience, the beauty. There's also the smell of the leather and the finish of everything. Compare the paint finish on an Aston to any competitor. It's all so unique to the brand. It feels like a car that humans put together for the sole purpose of enjoyment. If some utility is to be had, so be it. A note on the upgraded clutch, it does use parts from a twin plate V12 but it's not exactly the same kit. It is a HUGE benefit though, mostly in the way the lighter flywheel lets the engine rev more freely.
I’m loving these. It’s like heading to the pub on a Tuesday night to meet up with friends for a few quiet pints, only your friends are as into cars as you are.
Derek, when the V8 Zagato came out I too thought it was hideous. I took me the same 20 or so years go come back to it and totally fall in love with the look (well, except the rear exhaust treatment). The V8 "Ducktail" coupes are my favorite along with the Lagonda.
Quite agree: if I could have any Aston Martin I would choose an X pack V8 Vantage.
4:16 Of course Hyphen has an automotive library. Most of us call it a bookshelf. Not Hyphen though.
German here, and I thoroughly enjoyed this episode and your impressions in particular. 😄
Ja. Jason hat eine tolle Einstellung zu Deutschen.
Hey.... You guys have possibly the best gig to watch right now followed by demuro and throttle house
DeMuro is a hack
Jason's car noises are just as epic as Derek's poetry prowess.
DTS, the section on 80s-90s Astons is phenomenal. I knew nothing about them, buy my god do they look special. Absolutely gorgeous. Thank you for this episode!
Awesome listen as always.
Can we have episodes on automotive personalities like piech, montezemelo, etc., specifically stories about them that show their character, like when on his 1st day Montezemelo took a ferrari to the airport, but it was so bad that he returned right back with it and got to work, or when porsche made the mistake of not listening to preuninger regarding 991 R production numbers
A v8 passed when i was a kide late seventies still the best sound i,ve ever heard.
30mins in and I'm struggling to understand how any car set up dynamically by the chassis guru Matt Becker, who gained his reputation of being one of the best in biz from his days at Lotus, can be such a disappointment, as Jason says.
Edit 1: The 3rd gen Bentley Continental GT (ongoing model) was launched in 2018, V8 came in 2019. When you were at MT and drove that CGT V8 it was the 2nd gen V8 model, which was on sale till 2018. I know it can be confusing as they look largely the same, but the 3rd gen has the engine pushed back a few inches.
Matt Becker has done some magnificent chassis tuning and I have zero doubts in my mind he would have/will get the new cars right. But I bet if you looked at a Michelangelo sculpture when he was only halfway through chiseling it out of a rock, it wouldn't be the work of art you expected. That's what happened here.
And yes, I just didn't have the MYs in front of me... but the switch from Audi's MLB to Porsche's MSB is a night-and-day one. That's the change I'm talking about.
@@JasonCammisa I understand what you're saying here. Have you driven the AMR V12 DB11 or the DBS Superleggera? What's your opinion about them?
Dont know if it's just me, but I really like how the DB11 looks
I think the constant economical peril that aston martin was always facing gave them their unique personality, the constant part sharing between engines and platforms for decades that created the best aston martins. Because all great astons are derivatives and evolutions of other cars.
For example when they were designing the lagonda in the 70's they found out that the pointy low shape and the tall v8 didn't go very well together and the intake was very restrictive, as a result power was low and to mitigate that they fitted much more aggressive cams pistons etc
Then they thought it would be a nice idea to fit those new parts in a regular v8 coupe and voila the v8 vantage was made
A few years latter a customer from Johannesburg (high altitude) complained that he was losing to a 930 and so for a fee they changed the carb and the pistons and boom, the x pack was created.
Aston martin is a company that is accustomed to situations like this so i think they will be ok, i just hope they don't end up like that other niche car company that made very good looking and sounding gt cars and now makes diesel sedans with big panel gaps, maserati
Also Derek that greek name was Livanos no need for extra letters
PS. The v12 s review is probably my favourite video in the entirety of the internet, the sound, the visuals, the point, the bad german everything was fantastic and of course the car which is in my all time top 5 cars
Oh my god finally! Thank you Jason for sharing your thoughts on the DB11 styling. Ever since I saw one in magazines, I thought it looked absurdly overstyled and flashy and ‘trying too hard’. Thought seeing one in person would help, and it didn’t. But every single automotive article on the car raves about the design. Feels so good to be validated lol
Speaking of Röhrl, where is that damned Lancia 037 video?
It's fuse 22 yes, I have an identical Vantage to that black one in the video, a 2013 4.7 manual removed secondary cats, removed airboxes with GT4 air filters for more induction noise and better noise I don't think I can do much better than that. Lighter flywheel and better clutch maybe when it's time.
Don't wait. It wakes the engine up immensely.
I love the 80s Aston Martin! 100% with Derek
Aston also is about to take over the Racing Point F1 team in 2021, I'm sure they have big plans for the future of the company, otherwise Toto Wolff wouldn't have bought a share of the company, he definitely knows some stuff.
They are not taking over the Racing Point team. Lawrence Stroll and his investor group (who own Racing Point) BOUGHT Aston....that's why they are becoming Aston F1 team.
Effing entertaining episode, guys! One thing: name a car company in German stewardship that didn't go well....uh, DAIMLERCHRYSLER!
You're not exaggerating that that Aston with the Larini exhaust DOES sound great (thank you for inserting that clip)! Maybe worth a podcast? Comparing famous after-market exhausts? I always thought Tubis make all Ferraris sound worse than standard, but Larinis always get it right/make it better. Other example: Tyler Hoover's 355 (before it burnt down) also had a Larini I believe. Enhanced an already great sounding car to an epic level. Then the sudden new boy on the block: Akrapovic: moped muffler maufacturer from Poland or AMG P & C (Pops and Crackles) delivery system? And on the topic of P & Cs; aren't they all just useless explosions of excess fuel in the exhaust causing needlessly high fuel consumption instead of sonorously tuning an exhaust system to release CO2 fumes? Anyways, love the podcasts!
I have a turboed NC1 with all the supporting mods so I know just how fun a boosted Miata can be.
If Aston Martin is FORCED to be sold to a parent company, send my prayers that it be Mercedes-AMG.
it might be time....it's a mess. Again.
I’m just not sure if Mercedes-AMG would be the best owner not a factual based opinion just more of a gut feeling
Gut = good/fine in german.
Gut feeling: gutes Gefühl?!
LOL
With bad tatse
Finally someone said something honest about tested cars, thank you!
All I hear otherwise in ordinary reviews is how everything is perfect, because they need more cars for testing in the future and are afraid to criticize anything.
Chrysler under Mercedes was a disaster.
Hey Sandler, I got an 11 V12 vantage manual you could drive next time your in Arizona. And I can show you how to do the $24k oil change 🤪
@ 37:17 funny story, one time I was driving home from the mall on the highway and ran into some traffic, sure enough it was some guy in a red convertible one of those old DB7’s broken down in the center lane. The poor guy was super mad over the phone
LMFAO - "New England and Old England'....Love it
great episode, learned a lot! You guys forgot one train wreck of German stewardship though, Daimler Benz buying Chrysler! (The story of that ownership leading to today's Charger/Challenger would be good episode material!
This is such great content to listen while cruising... 🙂
I might be a bit late to the party on this episode, but rest assured DTS, you're not the only one who cares or paid attention to Aston in the 90s. Jason, may say no car magazines paid them any attention, but that's a US centric view. I have magazines pitching them against all the relevant rivals in the day, everything from a Mercedes 500SC to a Countach, Testarossa and 930. Then, when the DB7 came out, the original reviews where 'ok', until the V12 Vantage version appeared and then they turned to "this was the car they should have launched with". That said, I share a "car age" similar to yourself and have been very lucky to drive a massive variety of some of the world's most desirable cars from the 30's to 90s.
A v8 passed me whilst i was waliking as a kid in england and i,ve never heard anything as nice since a beautiful pure been lusting after one ever since
In fairness, Andy inherited an ancient portfolio from Bez, the parts bin specials (The S cars, the AMRs) were wearing thin, the business hadn't put any money towards new models. Palmer really got the poisoned chalice.
Derek looks wholly unimpressed as Jason is describing his past motoring shenanigans. Hilarious.
I didn't think the DB11 looked bad. I think the Vantage looks striking... no elegance at all. I think they were trying to appeal to the younger buyer. I think they should have made the design more reserved, elegant, but release some black badge version for the younger generation (cough Rolls Royce method). They probably over spent on the sudden development of hypercar projects: the Valkyrie and son of Valkyrie... I laughed at Ferrari for their Laferrari where they had to ban journalists from weighing, dynoing, or hotlapping the car, because the car was super overweight over the original supposed specs, and it wasn't as fast as it should in a straight line and on track. Aston Martin were going to make a 1100kg, 1100hp NA V12 car that corners at 3+g's, while Ferrari could only make a 1600kg, 950hp car? Now Ferrari is rolling in dough, while AM is being slapped. and raped in the principle's office, and a German guy has to step in to fix the company.
Agree on the "younger buyer" for new Vantage, but how many 30 year old millionaires are there? Very tough segment. Bottom line, younger buyers that have never owned an Aston will like Vantage; but if you have owned previous gen..."what have they done!" ugh.
The knowledge here is just amazing and the comedy as well 🤣. I love this show.
You guys are so real ... FINALLY. Actually worth my time watching.
The Shelby 500 episode is one of the best automotive content on youtube.
Where can I watch it?
Love that exhaust clip.
I like Jason in this format much more than I liked him on Motor Trend. Makes me wonder if I would have liked Chris Harris if I had only seen his Top Gear stuff which I like far less than I like his pre-Top Gear stuff
Lowest sale for a 2017 Vantage S 7MT in the US was $137K thus far. The majority of the low mile cars sell for $150-$175K.
That one is a keeper. Will go done as best of the 2005 - 2017 "Golden Era" pre Palmer.
FYI - I'll be patiently awaiting for your next podcast to cover the iconic L322. I'm thinking of purchasing a 2010-12 model year L322. Sadly, it seems that I'll have to drive to SoCal to purchase one because NorCal's inventory sucks. My eyes are telling me YES but my gut is telling me NO!
Vintage wheel t-shirts, is that a thing? If not it should be.
Mine would be the mid 80s 15inch Chrysler 16 hole alloys.
43:45 Omg I'm dying 😆
Great episode, but that's nothing new (thank you guys!). I missed one of my favourite cars ever in the conversation though: the 70's Lagonda with its astonishing proportions and crazy electronics that probably could give enough talk for a whole episode. I also love the 80's V8 and its mix of brute and gentleman, especially the late Vantage cars with the lower front and the blind, body-colored grille
Jason LOVES these things. Zero arm twisting required to persuade him, I'm sure. I think they're pretty great too.
@@Dtamscott I would love that!!! But it's not like I would miss one Carmudgeon episode if you don't. Thanks again for doing this, you guys are a highlight in my week as I'm sure you are for many other people
Why is Derek so obsessed with NA Miata door handles.
Why wouldn’t you be obsessed with NA door handles?
I just want Valkyrie, Valhalla and mid engined Vanquish still to happen, and I want to see Valkyrie race at Le Mans in the new hypercar class
You are aware that the guy who just got sacked by Aston Martin was the same guy responsible for the strange Nissan Le Mans thing a few years back, are you?
So basically the guy who loudly announced things they never could accomplish with Nissans Le Mans Project also announced an Aston Martin Le Mans project...
Og course ive read your post about the R129 SL, but i would love to hear you 2 talk one hour about that car =)
I predict Lawrence Stroll’s future plans for AM will be merchandising the brand into a fashion line and other non-car products.
Didn't they already do that? Lots of merch, even a Toyota Aygo with an Aston Martin front and price tag was available...
@@nirfz Need some F1 wins to sell merchandise...I think that's the plan to increase the "halo" of the brand. They've tried mightily to be a lifestyle brand, minimal success outside of UK.
Weather channel mode engaged. We are all elderly now.
An episode on company rivalries, like when porsche couldn't match nissan's gtr nurburgring lap times, nissan offered driving lessons to porsche's drivers(crazy when u think rohrl was one of them).
Holy shit -scott, once let go you out did camissa on the nerding out. High5 bro!
You forgot the One-77
Amazing but "unobtainium". Maybe the prettiest Aston of the modern ear
@@burtdemill9393 For sure. You need dudes like Ulrich Bez to make stuff like that.
Jason have you ever driven the european Ford Escort hot hatches like the xr3i, rs1600i and RS turbo
Derek, yes, please do an episode on the V8 Astons. What about the Jensen interceptor, as they rather share the same look,.... tarted up mustangs.
We need time stamps!
Could you publish that spreadsheet as a book?
Aston sacked another ceo and replaced it with another German guy
Private debut of the "new Vantage" here in San Diego back in '17.....so, so disappointing. Driven 3 of them...opinion hasn't changed. The specialness is gone, Palmer blew it.
Burt De Mill true the na has gone
The 90s car is an abomination to look at
43:45 Perfect German comedy
Thanks for the episode, some good knowledge as always!
Probably the biggest difference of car's sound between a recording and a real life sound is Aston's V12. Couldn't believe how good and rich the sound is in person.
By the way, anyone interested should try listening to Andrew Frankel's and Dan Prosser's DriveNation podcast on Aston Martin. There are some good insights and history of the brand although a lot of the information was said here as well.
We need more Walter Röhrl and similar stories...
So I just had an idea. Maybe Derek could sing "She's a Rainbow" and Jason could talk about the Golf Harlequin. Yeah! No? OK, I'll see myself out.
Great episode guys!
"If you don't like the weather, just wait 15 min...it will change!" = Every place I have ever been. Can we all please stop this phrase and its variations?
The Bay Area isn't waiting, it's geographical microclimates. I have friends who live less than a mile away who have A/C on when I have heat on. And it doesn't change -they roast all summer, I'm comfy, and 2 miles the other way, they freeze.
360s are such underrated sports cars, a hard top in a tasteful spec with manual gearbox should be respected as a great choice instead of a poor mans 458. If you consider all the obvious variables they are a fast reliable great handling fun sports car which looks and sounds incredible.
I love these classic Astons but could never justify buying one.
The car i loved in the 90's was the 4 door Aston Martin Lagonda in 94. Even made a shooting brake. Did 186mph and was low production and shit build quality but cool af.
Great talk! Finally people who summonize what I think of recent Aston’s. They just look horrible nowadays.
isn't Lawrence Stroll head of Aston?
Well, sort of. Controlling interest.
Regarding the NC you talked about, it brings to mind how gearing is done in manuals. What's your thoughts on how almost every manual car 2nd gear tops at 60?
I get why it's done - to pull that extra shift out of the 0-60 time. I love how many car companies (Alfa, even BMW) are throwing STUPID short ratios in their automatics (some topping out 3rd before 60!) because they shift so fast. But nobody's doing with the manuals (except Miata) because they don't realize we DGAF about 0-60 times!
Such a great fucking show. Thanks guys.
Me:I hate podcasts
Also Me: oooh a new Carmudgeon!!!!
BMW had no interest in "saving" Rover. They were only after the brands Rover owned, in particular Mini. They tried to resurrect Austin Healey, but the Healey family actually still owns the name.
I love Jasons gerrrrman insights!
I'm not an expert on cars but Jason's right: That Lamborghini Urus doesn't look like fun, even being that capable. And to sumarize it: 43:45
Aston Martin is my favorite car company. Being in love with the first V12 Vantage at 2010 and saw it replaced with a far better V12 Vantage S has me wondering: Would this newer Vantage get a S variant with better everything (except looks. I don't think Aston can surpass the beauty on Fishker design. We'll see) under new leadership? Or this will become another robotic German engineering marvel (one that can be great, but can't be fun at all)?
I like Jason, and his reviews, in general, but pretty sad when they only know the most superficial differences between a GT3T and 911R. Good thing I don’t really listen to these guys for car advice but rather comedic relief.
Then again, I loved the looks of the new Vantage so much, I bought one. No accounting for tastes.
Finally, I think Andy Palmer came out with a great portfolio of cars. He just didn’t pay attention to balancing the books. Got fired for not making money.
Yes! Finally get my weekly hit of automotive cocaine.
you guys didn't talk about the DBS Superleggera?
the best vantage ever is the v600
Agree, very special car, never made it to the states
Jason what do you think of the new DBS Superleggera? I personally think it's gorgeous and the other journalists seem to praise the driving dynamics (at least comparatively to the std model or current flock of Aston Martins) ... So I'm curious if you have any experience with it and what your thoughts are. If you please 🤗....
The new Vantage isn't as bad looking as you guys say. The last car was beautiful. The new one is decent...we are moving to strange design times.
"Decent" for 180K???? There is the problem, need WAY more than decent at that price.
It am a bit surprised with your opinion on the new aston cars . I knew the looks aren't there like the old cars but somehow on mostly every review they said it's not bad and it looks good in person . And I haven't heard they drive that bad .