I think Hornady is safe. The last thing any of us want is over penetration. What if there is a :\"Flyer". That could change the whole "Self Defense" into a nightmare, you can not escape.
@@ShawnShipstad I heard police getting the Hornady and it acted like ball ammo and they dropped it right after, idk what department but I have steered clear of it since I heard that
I have just recently become a Glock owner after many years of not having interest in them. The Glock 43X put the hook in me. And now the 19X has found a spot in my gun safe. Along the trail of Glock research I stumbled upon Lenny and the Glock store. I just want to say that I enjoy his videos very much since he has such a nice pleasant way of explaining things. 👍
For edc that you will CC alot, you cant beat the 43x, it conceals so well. I carry it every single day everywhere i go. The G19 would be a very close second
If you're running a smaller carry pistol like a compact or subcompact that has a short barrel, you really need to run +P ammo if you're using hollow points. There's been a lot of debate around whether calling them added pressure is actually warranted, since manufacturers rarely share how much extra pressure your rounds will actually be expending when fired, but it's been pretty consistently shown that on average +P expanding munitions perform significantly better in shorter barrels than standard non +P rounds do. You really need the added pressure in order for the bullets to expand correctly upon impact when fired from a short barrel; without it, you run the risk that the bullet's mass-to-velo ratio won't be adequate enough to result in proper expansion. Hornady Critical Duty +P 135g is what I use in my EDC (G43X), just as it's the choice of the FBI and countless police departments across the nation. Ballistically, it's one of the best rounds on the market. The red filling material used isn't actually there to assist expansion necessarily, as was said in the video. It's actually there to prevent early expansion, which is one of the biggest issues with hollow points when someone is wearing heavy clothes. This is especially bad in the winter of course, when people are wearing thick layers. Hollow point rounds without fillers expand too early and lose a ton of their energy as a result, whereas with the filler (what Hornady calls Flexitip, though other brands surely have their own proprietary materials) the bullet is able to rip through any initial layers without losing as significant of a percentage of it's energy before expanding.
I agree that some guns, sizes can affect ballistics but in general you are looking at a ccw/defense range of 3ft to 21ft. Also the pistol or revolver round will need to punch thru around 16-22". In 2024 many people are larger, thicker than the 1960s 1970s 1980s.
This is exactly why you should do your own testing with your ammo and the gun you carry it in to defend yourself and loved ones... It's not going to break the bank to invest in a high tech fleece bullet stop and some pork ribs followed by pork steak pectoral and oranges to stimulate lunge tissue 😉
You can't go wrong with HST 124gr +P or other LE type brands; Golden Saber, Speer Gold Dot, Critical Duty. Ammunition that performs well in FBI protocol tests.
Love the reviews, testing, and results to the comparison that I know I could not afford to help me with a decision to a good choice ammo, but regardless, I would not want to be hit by any of them 😂
Lenny, I'm a fairly recent watcher of your videos since I purchased my first Glock a couple years ago, and I must say I have learned an awful lot. I did watch this latest video and I'm "somewhat" impressed with the Pilgrim ammo, but I believed your bullet hit the table first before it went into the gel. Notice the upward curve as if ricocheting off the table. It would be helpful if you did another test/video with to truly demonstrate its impact.
I hate to be critical, but E=MV^2. E=MC^2 is Einstein's theory relating to nuclear energy where C^2 is the speed of light squared. For calculating the energy of a bullet, V^2 is the velocity, usually in feet per second.
I must preface with, a great video. I carry aG35 on my farm for coyotes and wild dogs, ect..I enjoy the ballistics of Hornady critical defense ,,, BUT the one thing I experienced is a failure to feed. After a month or so carrying in a standard mag the tip will get “gummy” and not feed. That once got me in a pickle with a threat. I had to change. Looking at the Pilgrim. Great video, Thanks!
Interesting I never heard of that or thought about that. Were there other factors involves such as heat or cold or solvent or anything? …. Also, what did you finally choose?
I like the extra penetration from 125+ grain bullets. Lots of carjackings that might require penetrating barriers. So I run +p 125 grain (GD or Federal HST). I run a Glock Gen5 G26. I run it in a Vedder kydex IWB, run on a Nexbelt. After all that running, I may have a heart attack. Shout out to the operators and all their "running". Keep on Keepin on, Lenny.
When considering self defense and not ballistic gel or water jugs, one must factor clothing penetration before it hits tissue. I do not think the “Pilgrim " would perform good, especially if a perpetrator is wearing fairly heavy clothing. Federal has "Punch" and "HST". HST is designed to penetrate clothing before expanding in tissue. Any thoughts?
The pilgrim would still penetrate enough and even if it just hits below the skin the energy dissipation will impart enough of a shock to let the receiver know that s/he's been hit by a sledge hammer. That's my totally unscientific guess.
Clothing makes negligible difference. If we shot one time that'd be something to consider but when a defensive incident occurs the average shot rounds of 5.5, so 3 on the low end to 8 on the higher side spread across 60 percent of 100 percent for those accounted. If people carry .22 and 380 for defensive ammo then I'm sure any hollow point 9mm will do just fine. Remember Velocity is squared. External deviated hollow points like the APX interceptor rounds at 65grn are going 1600 fps and blow water melon apart.
Another consideration for me is the bullets potential to cause collateral damage. How likely is it to pass through a wall or how likely is it to pass through a persons body and then critically injure somebody else. If I was protecting myself, but in doing so I killed an innocent person, that would be hard for me to live with. so if you were carrying in a crowded area or you live in a neighborhood with close neighbors in an apartment, that would also impact my choice
I mostly always carry Federal Premium 45 Auto 230 HST JHP or lighter, however if I'll be using my g21 mags on my g30, I'll be carrying Liberty Ammunition Civil Defense 45 acp + p with a 78 grain 1900 fps bullet!!
Correct- this is why the NIJ, FBI developed protocol tests. Feeding, cycle, wt retaining, depth. 16-18" after a common barrier: auto glass, plywood, fabric, etc. In 2024, many major brands do fairly well. Some pistol rounds are nickel plated, better made.
Kinetic Energy = 1/2 Mass times Velocity squared. I'm pretty sure Einsteins theory of relativity (E=MC^2) does not relate to bullet Energy calculations. A bullet at the speed of light (C) would not be a bullet very long....
Yeah, when mass is converted into pure energy (like the mass is gone, and in its place energy, like in an atomic reaction) the amount of energy released as a result of the destruction of mass is mc^2. KE is the key in ballistics.
I would love to see a comparison of all of those rounds plus a few more in ballistics gel. Crazy enough, the most accurate box of hollow point rounds I ever came across was a really old box of Colt hollow points. Maybe an accuracy test a different yardage would be useful as well.
I would love to see a comparison of the ammo from a 3 inch barrel gun compared to a full size gun and then maybe even a pistol caliber carbine with a 16 inch barrel
I'm still testing various munitions for my Glock 41. Feeding, extraction, terminal ballistics, everything. I wish there were more G41-related CURRENT videos out there.
-Glock 17/19 Critical duty during the winter and if you still want to carry it in the summer go for it -Glock 17 underwood hard cast for the woods -Glock 43x critical defense, always This is my go to for carrying self defense. -Target shooting cci blazer 115 for 43x and 124 for anything larger.
I use Federal HST rounds, Winchester Defense bonded SXT +P, Golden Saber +P, bonded. Winchester has the newer Ranger One line but it's rarely on the open market.
The water jugs and gel blocks, I have heard but do not know, are good things for comparing penetration depth of different bullets, but are bad for measuring real amounts of penetration. Because they are consistent in density (and so good for comparison), they are radically different from real targets (with clothes, bones, muscle, etc.).
The thing that concerns me, the most about ball is not being able to critically injured my target, my main concern is injuring something or someone that is not my target because it passed all the way through my target or through Wall
@@francostacy7675 precisely, I would hate to shoot my target and then unintentionally harm or destroy something behind it, so now I carry MHP 85 grain 👍
Interesting video. The Hornady critical defense is designed for micro and short barrels like a p365, Glock 43, Glock 26, etc. I did want to point out the critical duty is something more that officers use, because it does over-penetrate a little bit. Better for a little bit bigger home defense gun Maybe.
It’s expensive, but I have to purchase cases of my carry ammo to practice with on the range. One of my biggest worries is a malfunction caused by my carry ammo, that occurred because I didn’t run enough of it through my EDC to ensure it was 100 % reliable and compatible with said EDC.
Hey length talk about the angle of the bullet on hollow points because it's well known that glock has had recalls for feeding issues. Sig ammo was one of the worst not sliding up the breech ramp, the bullet was digging in and jamming. The critical defense ammo has a better angle and works.
I was thinking about that with my 1911, it doesn’t like hollow points because of the feed ramp. But I found some new ammo that is still the shape of FMJ penetrates like FMJ but then it spins over end doing more damage than any hollow point I’ve seen… that’s my go to for the my Kimber custom shop ultra cdp , they make it 9 mm so you shouldn’t have any problem with feeding… it’s called TUI, tumble upon impact…. So if you’re having feeding issues, I’d give it a try..
NOVX is still the all-around winner in my book!!! Lol check it out, it's not cheap but it's a barrier blind polymer that stops once introduced to hydro shock, that's "dumbed down" but you get the point Haha
Lenny buddy I love this channel a lot but you need to look at the "TODAYS" 9mm velocity! The speed of the common 9mm has increased since the 80s and 90s. They use to match or come close to the .45 but its faster then the common .45 now. The 9mm usually has the speed and the .45 has the punch "weight". The typical .45 is subsonic but the 9mm isnt...
First off 👍🏼 👍🏼 video! I thought though HORNADY adds that plastic tip to help with Expansion yes, but wasn’t it ALSO to keep from being affected when it’s passing through outer layers or clothing of target, as well as to prevent any feed issues caused by JHP?! ALSO I’m pretty sure that 135gr. in 9mm just a .357mag/.38spl 135gr bullet in a 9mm case? Like Sig V-crown .355 124gr & 125gr!?
Liberty Defense has the ammo just like the pilgrim ammo +p fps 2000 60 Grain I carry in a glock 22 40. and in 43x 9mm but my go to is the Hornady critical Duty’s 🔥
Always 115g Winnie’s and 124g HST’s,specifically 115g for SubC/micros, keep HPs in oem standard caps and Critical D/FPFMJ😴/underwoods/FMJ in marked extds 💨🚘🐗🐻,really don’t need the heavy weights 147g/180g for 9/40 unless it’s a full size/PCC the middle weights 9mm:115/124/135g and .40:155/165g give best overall performance especially on barriers
I'm surprised to hear Lenny come to that conclusion. That pilgrim ammo is dumping most of its energy in an incredibly short distance, a distance in which other studies would say is much too short to be reliably incapacitate. There's a reason why LE agencies do not use any of the many gimmicky hyper-velocity ammo types, they don't prove to be as effective. This is such a surface-level understanding of pistol ammo and terminal ballistics, it's actually very surprising to see it demonstrated here on this channel. Lenny, I'd refer you to one of several podcasts that Hornady has done on this subject, it would expand your knowledge greatly to hear from guys who do legitimate scientific testing.
Why are you surprised? He SELLS that ammo, at a substantial profit. Its a small local company so its not like you can get it anywhere else (should you even want to). First and foremost, he's in business and making videos to sell his products and services. He couldn't care less what's best for you. He cares about what's best FOR HIM.
@@lenzielenski3276 You actually can get it elsewhere. It is very clearly Liberty Civil Defense ammo in different packaging. The appearance and performance are identical.
in my G19 I carry Winchester Defender. Those are a crazy round for 9mm For my G20 half stack of Underwood Extreme Defender(top half) and other half is Underwood 155 grain TAC-XP hollow points
I sawp between critical defense 135g and gold dot 124plus It would be hard if i only had to choose one but ill probably go with critical defense but cant go wrong with either
I would like to see a match between the Fort Smith 9MM SUB-MUNITION® TUI® - 125GR AMMO and the Speer Gold Dot Carry Gun 9mm Luger 135 Grain ammo. That would be a great test. I have both for my Glock 43X EDC as well as the Hornady Critical Duty and Critical Defense.
Liberty Ammunition also carries a similar round. Civil Defense. 9mm +P 50 gr. at 2040 FPS. I’m a big fan of this ammo. I actually don’t mind carrying an extra 19 rd mag or two with my 19X! 😂
124 HST +P for me, since Winchester 125 gr Ranger T bonded +P isn't easily available. The Federal 9BPLE +P+is a little much for a subcompact but would likely be ok in a medium to full size weapon.
Fiocchi XTP 124 grain uses Hornady bullets at a significant cost reduction. Used in my M&P Shield Plus with a 15 round magazine. Oh, and did anybody else notice that the firearm used with the Pilgrim 50 gr was different than all the other brands fired?
Lenny, Einstein’s theory of relativity isn’t quite the right formula. I’m positive the one you meant to say was Kinetic Energy = 1/2 x Mass x Velocity squared. Or, 1/2mv^2.
I understand that the reason that some of the manufacturers place a synthetic cap on their hollow point bullets is to prevent premature expansion, I could be wrong. I would have liked to see the effect of the fluted bullets where the bullet is not jacked and made of a solid piece of metal, usually an alloy of copper or brass.
In a locale where there is minimal clothing, ie resistance, the 50 grain might be very acceptable. However in areas where a med-heavy jacket/coat is necessary, the penetration will be insufficient to yield an attackers' incapacitation.
Underwood 68 grain Extreme Defense. Penetrates the same through gel no matter the barriers used in the FBI tests. Denim, wallboard, sheet metal and windshield glass. Tim at the Military Arms Channel tested it and switched to it years ago. That Pilgrim ammo needs to be more thoroughly tested. I bet it wouldn't do so well against some of the barriers. And even in bare gel it looks like it only penetrated 8-10 inches. The FBI requirement is 12-18.
I like to carry the same bullet weight that I train with,Im sticking with Hornaday critical defense 115 grain,it opens like a lawn chair and recoil is at a minimum...
Aside from lack of momentum and penetration, the weight savings for the Pilgrim round is insignificant. Assuming carrying it in a G19 with 16 + 1 rounds, it saves 2.7 ounces over a 124 grain bullet. Not the best of reasons for choosing a self defense round. Make that up by carrying less change or something.
I think you make a good point however it is a difference and I’ve heard many gun UA-camrs declare one gun is better simply because it’s lighter or heavier by 2 ounces
I completely agree that hollow-point ammo is the way to go for EDC.
The tumble on impact blows the hollow point away…
Duh 😂
Decades of watching careful explanations and it hasn't gotten old.
C is the speed of light. Isn’t it Kinetic Energy= 1/2 Mass x VELOCITY squared ???
E=mC2 if the total energy content of an atom
I was wondering the same thing, since c is the speed of light and the equation is the amount of energy it takes to reach the speed of light.
He was either looking for that or F = ma. E = mc² is something else entirely.
K=½m•V² is the equation he actually needs
He’s not giving a math class so why do you make a big deal out of it🤯
Think SPEER GoldDot 147gr or 124 gr. OR FEDERAL HST 147 or124 gr. Hornandy too. Basically, all of these are top notch.
I think Hornady is safe. The last thing any of us want is over penetration. What if there is a :\"Flyer". That could change the whole "Self Defense" into a nightmare, you can not escape.
@@ShawnShipstad HST is best
@@ShawnShipstad I heard police getting the Hornady and it acted like ball ammo and they dropped it right after, idk what department but I have steered clear of it since I heard that
I have just recently become a Glock owner after many years of not having interest in them. The Glock 43X put the hook in me. And now the 19X has found a spot in my gun safe. Along the trail of Glock research I stumbled upon Lenny and the Glock store. I just want to say that I enjoy his videos very much since he has such a nice pleasant way of explaining things. 👍
For edc that you will CC alot, you cant beat the 43x, it conceals so well. I carry it every single day everywhere i go. The G19 would be a very close second
Lenny out in Tennessee doing it.... Good bless America, i would stand beside Lenny any day!
If you're running a smaller carry pistol like a compact or subcompact that has a short barrel, you really need to run +P ammo if you're using hollow points. There's been a lot of debate around whether calling them added pressure is actually warranted, since manufacturers rarely share how much extra pressure your rounds will actually be expending when fired, but it's been pretty consistently shown that on average +P expanding munitions perform significantly better in shorter barrels than standard non +P rounds do. You really need the added pressure in order for the bullets to expand correctly upon impact when fired from a short barrel; without it, you run the risk that the bullet's mass-to-velo ratio won't be adequate enough to result in proper expansion.
Hornady Critical Duty +P 135g is what I use in my EDC (G43X), just as it's the choice of the FBI and countless police departments across the nation. Ballistically, it's one of the best rounds on the market. The red filling material used isn't actually there to assist expansion necessarily, as was said in the video. It's actually there to prevent early expansion, which is one of the biggest issues with hollow points when someone is wearing heavy clothes. This is especially bad in the winter of course, when people are wearing thick layers. Hollow point rounds without fillers expand too early and lose a ton of their energy as a result, whereas with the filler (what Hornady calls Flexitip, though other brands surely have their own proprietary materials) the bullet is able to rip through any initial layers without losing as significant of a percentage of it's energy before expanding.
I agree that some guns, sizes can affect ballistics but in general you are looking at a ccw/defense range of 3ft to 21ft. Also the pistol or revolver round will need to punch thru around 16-22". In 2024 many people are larger, thicker than the 1960s 1970s 1980s.
Learned something new today thank you sir
Cool summary. I use Federal HST 124 +P in my G43x and have been wondering if that’s the right ammo. I also thought +P might be for comps.
This is exactly why you should do your own testing with your ammo and the gun you carry it in to defend yourself and loved ones... It's not going to break the bank to invest in a high tech fleece bullet stop and some pork ribs followed by pork steak pectoral and oranges to stimulate lunge tissue 😉
Agreed less than 4" barrel switch to +p 115gr to compensate
Lenny inspires confidence when talking about firearms, but not when talking about physics, LOL.
I think his point was that the speed and the weight and the physical size does matter
I carry speer gold dot 124 grain for years for SD.
I like HST 124gr +P or the Golden Saber bonded +P. In .45acp, I use HST 230gr +P. Sometimes Underwood Ammo brand 185gr +P JHP.
The Hornady and Federal are very popular. I personally carry 124 gr. +P Gold Dot. Performs very well. 👍🏻
You can't go wrong with HST 124gr +P or other LE type brands; Golden Saber, Speer Gold Dot, Critical Duty. Ammunition that performs well in FBI protocol tests.
I enjoyed touring the Nashville Glockstore and meeting the crew this past week! The set is amazing. You guys and gals are awesome!!!
Love the reviews, testing, and results to the comparison that I know I could not afford to help me with a decision to a good choice ammo, but regardless, I would not want to be hit by any of them 😂
Lenny, I'm a fairly recent watcher of your videos since I purchased my first Glock a couple years ago, and I must say I have learned an awful lot. I did watch this latest video and I'm "somewhat" impressed with the Pilgrim ammo, but I believed your bullet hit the table first before it went into the gel. Notice the upward curve as if ricocheting off the table. It would be helpful if you did another test/video with to truly demonstrate its impact.
I hate to be critical, but E=MV^2. E=MC^2 is Einstein's theory relating to nuclear energy where C^2 is the speed of light squared. For calculating the energy of a bullet, V^2 is the velocity, usually in feet per second.
you're right, this is more like a force = mass x velocity thing.
feed per seconds to calculate energy is barbaric 🤣
E (Kin) = kg (m/s)² = kJ
That's some bad-ass 9mm going the speed of light! ;) Love the videos Lenny!
I must preface with, a great video.
I carry aG35 on my farm for coyotes and wild dogs, ect..I enjoy the ballistics of Hornady critical defense ,,, BUT the one thing I experienced is a failure to feed. After a month or so carrying in a standard mag the tip will get “gummy” and not feed. That once got me in a pickle with a threat. I had to change. Looking at the Pilgrim.
Great video,
Thanks!
Interesting I never heard of that or thought about that. Were there other factors involves such as heat or cold or solvent or anything? …. Also, what did you finally choose?
Federal HST 124gr. 9mm JHP. Or 147gr.
I buy & carry +P loads in 9mm or .45acp when possible. .40 or .357sig, 10mm are good too but in 2024, not common.
I totally agree with you. That is what I carry.👍
Really enjoyed this. Definitely need to do more videos outside the sales studio.
I like the extra penetration from 125+ grain bullets. Lots of carjackings that might require penetrating barriers.
So I run +p 125 grain (GD or Federal HST). I run a Glock Gen5 G26. I run it in a Vedder kydex IWB, run on a Nexbelt. After all that running, I may have a heart attack.
Shout out to the operators and all their "running".
Keep on Keepin on, Lenny.
When considering self defense and not ballistic gel or water jugs, one must factor clothing penetration before it hits tissue. I do not think the “Pilgrim " would perform good, especially if a perpetrator is wearing fairly heavy clothing. Federal has "Punch" and "HST". HST is designed to penetrate clothing before expanding in tissue. Any thoughts?
Great point.
The pilgrim would still penetrate enough and even if it just hits below the skin the energy dissipation will impart enough of a shock to let the receiver know that s/he's been hit by a sledge hammer. That's my totally unscientific guess.
Clothing makes negligible difference. If we shot one time that'd be something to consider but when a defensive incident occurs the average shot rounds of 5.5, so 3 on the low end to 8 on the higher side spread across 60 percent of 100 percent for those accounted. If people carry .22 and 380 for defensive ammo then I'm sure any hollow point 9mm will do just fine. Remember Velocity is squared. External deviated hollow points like the APX interceptor rounds at 65grn are going 1600 fps and blow water melon apart.
Another consideration for me is the bullets potential to cause collateral damage. How likely is it to pass through a wall or how likely is it to pass through a persons body and then critically injure somebody else. If I was protecting myself, but in doing so I killed an innocent person, that would be hard for me to live with. so if you were carrying in a crowded area or you live in a neighborhood with close neighbors in an apartment, that would also impact my choice
I carry 14 x .40 Smith and Wesson Nosler 185gr JHP in a Gen 3 Glock 23.
Same-ish, Gen 3 Glock 23 .40 but with Speer G2 180gr.
I mostly always carry Federal Premium 45 Auto 230 HST JHP or lighter, however if I'll be using my g21 mags on my g30, I'll be carrying Liberty Ammunition Civil Defense 45 acp + p with a 78 grain 1900 fps bullet!!
Choosing the right hollow-point for your EDC Glock is crucial. It's not just about stopping power but also reliability and penetration.
Correct- this is why the NIJ, FBI developed protocol tests. Feeding, cycle, wt retaining, depth. 16-18" after a common barrier: auto glass, plywood, fabric, etc. In 2024, many major brands do fairly well. Some pistol rounds are nickel plated, better made.
Which one do you recommend?
EDC In all my handguns... 9mm - 40cal & 10mm... I carry the same ammo - Underwood Xtream Defence rds. 👍😎🇺🇸
Civil Liberty is quality. I usually carry G2 Gold dot 147grain LE. Enjoyed all of this. Pilgrim and Civil and very similar.
My Glock 43x digest the Speer Gold Dot JHP 115 grain. That what I carry in my concealed weapon. Shot placement is the key.
Kinetic Energy = 1/2 Mass times Velocity squared. I'm pretty sure Einsteins theory of relativity (E=MC^2) does not relate to bullet Energy calculations. A bullet at the speed of light (C) would not be a bullet very long....
Yeah, when mass is converted into pure energy (like the mass is gone, and in its place energy, like in an atomic reaction) the amount of energy released as a result of the destruction of mass is mc^2. KE is the key in ballistics.
Always enjoy your videos, add a couple layers of denim in front of the block and see if it opens to early
I would love to see a comparison of all of those rounds plus a few more in ballistics gel. Crazy enough, the most accurate box of hollow point rounds I ever came across was a really old box of Colt hollow points. Maybe an accuracy test a different yardage would be useful as well.
I would love to see a comparison of the ammo from a 3 inch barrel gun compared to a full size gun and then maybe even a pistol caliber carbine with a 16 inch barrel
I'm still testing various munitions for my Glock 41. Feeding, extraction, terminal ballistics, everything. I wish there were more G41-related CURRENT videos out there.
-Glock 17/19 Critical duty during the winter and if you still want to carry it in the summer go for it
-Glock 17 underwood hard cast for the woods
-Glock 43x critical defense, always
This is my go to for carrying self defense.
-Target shooting cci blazer 115 for 43x and 124 for anything larger.
I use Federal HST rounds, Winchester Defense bonded SXT +P, Golden Saber +P, bonded. Winchester has the newer Ranger One line but it's rarely on the open market.
Why?
How do you discuss SD handgun ammo without mentioning Speer GDHP?
I would like to see you do a gel test with the G43x you carry and a G19, just to see if the barrel lenght has a huge impact on that 50gr round.
You should have included Sig Sauer V crown , Federal HST and underwood extreme penetrator external hollow points in the gel test .
I concur. I run V Crown in my 9mm
I carry Hornady Critical Duty 135 grain in all my EDC Glocks. Glock 17, 19, and 26.If it is good enough for the FBI, it is good enough for me.
I'd hope and pray you want better than the alphabet shit gang
The duty will not open up in a G26 because barrel is too short
Pilgrim reminds me of the Liberty Civil Defense ammo. Not a bad round but I prefer the Hornady Critical Duty or the HST for my carry ammo.
"Carry what you train with, Train with what you carry" wise words compliments of flannel daddy aka garand thumb
Nice I already happen to have it in my glock just by chance and to see it be top pick is awesome
Underwood extreme defender 👍🏻
The water jugs and gel blocks, I have heard but do not know, are good things for comparing penetration depth of different bullets, but are bad for measuring real amounts of penetration.
Because they are consistent in density (and so good for comparison), they are radically different from real targets (with clothes, bones, muscle, etc.).
this video alone has made me reconsider EDCing ball ammo.
The thing that concerns me, the most about ball is not being able to critically injured my target, my main concern is injuring something or someone that is not my target because it passed all the way through my target or through Wall
@@francostacy7675 precisely, I would hate to shoot my target and then unintentionally harm or destroy something behind it, so now I carry MHP 85 grain 👍
Interesting video. The Hornady critical defense is designed for micro and short barrels like a p365, Glock 43, Glock 26, etc.
I did want to point out the critical duty is something more that officers use, because it does over-penetrate a little bit. Better for a little bit bigger home defense gun Maybe.
I don't even like glocks but I like your personality so I still watch
Thanks for the ammo video!!! What Spyderco are you carrying?
It’s expensive, but I have to purchase cases of my carry ammo to practice with on the range. One of my biggest worries is a malfunction caused by my carry ammo, that occurred because I didn’t run enough of it through my EDC to ensure it was 100 % reliable and compatible with said EDC.
Hey length talk about the angle of the bullet on hollow points because it's well known that glock has had recalls for feeding issues.
Sig ammo was one of the worst not sliding up the breech ramp, the bullet was digging in and jamming.
The critical defense ammo has a better angle and works.
I was thinking about that with my 1911, it doesn’t like hollow points because of the feed ramp. But I found some new ammo that is still the shape of FMJ penetrates like FMJ but then it spins over end doing more damage than any hollow point I’ve seen… that’s my go to for the my Kimber custom shop ultra cdp , they make it 9 mm so you shouldn’t have any problem with feeding… it’s called TUI, tumble upon impact…. So if you’re having feeding issues, I’d give it a try..
I carry the underwood 90g +p extreme defender all the vids I’ve watched on it it out preforms every hp it’s put up against
Pilgrim is definitely interesting. Underwood is my current carry.
Looking real good Lenny.
I like the hydra-shock from federal
Federal 147 gr hst or spear gold dot 147 hp gr for selfdefense.
The red polymer plug in the hornady is to prevent clogging and makes it barrier blind
Always Great content, Thank You for sharing.
NOVX is still the all-around winner in my book!!! Lol check it out, it's not cheap but it's a barrier blind polymer that stops once introduced to hydro shock, that's "dumbed down" but you get the point Haha
115 grain gold dot for the win
Lenny buddy I love this channel a lot but you need to look at the "TODAYS" 9mm velocity! The speed of the common 9mm has increased since the 80s and 90s. They use to match or come close to the .45 but its faster then the common .45 now. The 9mm usually has the speed and the .45 has the punch "weight". The typical .45 is subsonic but the 9mm isnt...
124gr +p seems to be the Goldilocks configuration for me 😂
First off 👍🏼 👍🏼 video! I thought though HORNADY adds that plastic tip to help with Expansion yes, but wasn’t it ALSO to keep from being affected when it’s passing through outer layers or clothing of target, as well as to prevent any feed issues caused by JHP?!
ALSO I’m pretty sure that 135gr. in 9mm just a .357mag/.38spl 135gr bullet in a 9mm case? Like Sig V-crown .355 124gr & 125gr!?
I have some 68 gr extreme defenders loaded by underwood. You get the speed without sacrificing penetration!
Liberty Defense has the ammo just like the pilgrim ammo +p fps 2000 60 Grain I carry in a glock 22 40. and in 43x 9mm but my go to is the Hornady critical Duty’s 🔥
G9 EHP 9x19 is amazing as well
Speer gold dot is my favorite
Always 115g Winnie’s and 124g HST’s,specifically 115g for SubC/micros, keep HPs in oem standard caps and Critical D/FPFMJ😴/underwoods/FMJ in marked extds 💨🚘🐗🐻,really don’t need the heavy weights 147g/180g for 9/40 unless it’s a full size/PCC the middle weights 9mm:115/124/135g and .40:155/165g give best overall performance especially on barriers
9:27 🤔 had me at *_displaced_* 😂
I'm surprised to hear Lenny come to that conclusion. That pilgrim ammo is dumping most of its energy in an incredibly short distance, a distance in which other studies would say is much too short to be reliably incapacitate. There's a reason why LE agencies do not use any of the many gimmicky hyper-velocity ammo types, they don't prove to be as effective. This is such a surface-level understanding of pistol ammo and terminal ballistics, it's actually very surprising to see it demonstrated here on this channel. Lenny, I'd refer you to one of several podcasts that Hornady has done on this subject, it would expand your knowledge greatly to hear from guys who do legitimate scientific testing.
Why are you surprised? He SELLS that ammo, at a substantial profit. Its a small local company so its not like you can get it anywhere else (should you even want to). First and foremost, he's in business and making videos to sell his products and services. He couldn't care less what's best for you. He cares about what's best FOR HIM.
@@lenzielenski3276 You actually can get it elsewhere. It is very clearly Liberty Civil Defense ammo in different packaging. The appearance and performance are identical.
How accurate is the Pilgrim ammo? That's an important piece as well.
Love your content sir! Just wish I could get a response from the Glockstore text line.
All that ammo just needs the Paul Harrell testing!
in my G19 I carry Winchester Defender. Those are a crazy round for 9mm
For my G20 half stack of Underwood Extreme Defender(top half) and other half is Underwood 155 grain TAC-XP hollow points
Could you do the 4 layers of denim into the belistic gel test with the Pilgrim ammunition to see penetration through heavy fabric ?
I sawp between critical defense 135g and gold dot 124plus
It would be hard if i only had to choose one but ill probably go with critical defense but cant go wrong with either
I would like to see a match between the Fort Smith 9MM SUB-MUNITION® TUI® - 125GR AMMO and the Speer Gold Dot Carry Gun 9mm Luger 135 Grain ammo. That would be a great test. I have both for my Glock 43X EDC as well as the Hornady Critical Duty and Critical Defense.
Love seeing Boro Bullets in there! Keeping it local. I'd love to connect. Pew Deals is Nashville based as well 💪
Liberty Ammunition also carries a similar round. Civil Defense. 9mm +P 50 gr. at 2040 FPS. I’m a big fan of this ammo. I actually don’t mind carrying an extra 19 rd mag or two with my 19X! 😂
Hornady Critical Duty or Critical Defense. G26 Gen 4: Critical Defense, G17 Gen 3 and PSA Dagger: Critical Duty
124 HST +P for me, since Winchester 125 gr Ranger T bonded +P isn't easily available. The Federal 9BPLE +P+is a little much for a subcompact but would likely be ok in a medium to full size weapon.
The best EDC ammo is .380 ACP in the Ruger LCP in my front pocket! Better than any of my 9mm pistols that may not be on my person. 😅
Fiocchi XTP 124 grain uses Hornady bullets at a significant cost reduction. Used in my M&P Shield Plus with a 15 round magazine. Oh, and did anybody else notice that the firearm used with the Pilgrim 50 gr was different than all the other brands fired?
Lenny, Einstein’s theory of relativity isn’t quite the right formula. I’m positive the one you meant to say was Kinetic Energy = 1/2 x Mass x Velocity squared. Or, 1/2mv^2.
Is it possible for yall to make glock 30/21 mag extensions?
The pilgrim ammo may be my new edc for the 43x in the summer
I understand that the reason that some of the manufacturers place a synthetic cap on their hollow point bullets is to prevent premature expansion, I could be wrong. I would have liked to see the effect of the fluted bullets where the bullet is not jacked and made of a solid piece of metal, usually an alloy of copper or brass.
Very informative thank you
Al way fun to watch bulletin testing.
Great video, Thank you!
Hornady Critical Duty or Federal HST is all I carry!
I’ve heard of “Subsonic” ammo- but I think Lenny just introduced us to “Sub Lightspeed” ammo with his “E=MC^2” ammo. 😂
🔥🔫😜
I have the Remington 124g golden saber.. twisted JHP..i wanted to see
In a locale where there is minimal clothing, ie resistance, the 50 grain might be very acceptable. However in areas where a med-heavy jacket/coat is necessary, the penetration will be insufficient to yield an attackers' incapacitation.
E=MC2, I love the fact that these rounds all travel at light speed. Don’t have to worry about the effects of bullet drop.
Hi, I think his point was that speed and the weight and the physical size do matter….
Very interesting! Thank You
The light fast bullet may be fast but the wound channel will be smaller according to gel tests I have researched.
i use radically invasive projectile rounds (R.I.P.) for self defense. they’re $40 but they work!
Underwood 68 grain Extreme Defense. Penetrates the same through gel no matter the barriers used in the FBI tests. Denim, wallboard, sheet metal and windshield glass. Tim at the Military Arms Channel tested it and switched to it years ago. That Pilgrim ammo needs to be more thoroughly tested. I bet it wouldn't do so well against some of the barriers. And even in bare gel it looks like it only penetrated 8-10 inches. The FBI requirement is 12-18.
I carry.
Liberty 50 grain + p 2200 ft.and speer gold dot 124 grain😅
I like to carry the same bullet weight that I train with,Im sticking with Hornaday critical defense 115 grain,it opens like a lawn chair and recoil is at a minimum...
I demand a recount!! haha The Federal HST devastated that water jug!!
Aside from lack of momentum and penetration, the weight savings for the Pilgrim round is insignificant. Assuming carrying it in a G19 with 16 + 1 rounds, it saves 2.7 ounces over a 124 grain bullet. Not the best of reasons for choosing a self defense round. Make that up by carrying less change or something.
I think you make a good point however it is a difference and I’ve heard many gun UA-camrs declare one gun is better simply because it’s lighter or heavier by 2 ounces
G9 Defense for me every time
I've loved alot of different types of defensive ammo but I've never seen a bigger flower then the norma 9mm mhp
ive always carry pmc 115gr for years even tested it and its just as effective as 124 or more