The Alternate (& Ultimate?) Dragon Ball Z Canon
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- What If Vegeta, Frieza, Cell and Buu weren't canon? Instead, the movie villains of Dragon Ball Z got their turn to be the official DBZ timeline members! Here's how it would go down!
In a world where Vegeta never existed and instead TURLES was the one to become Goku's rival, how would that play out? Dragon Ball is known for having many classic characters like Perfect Cell and Majin Buu, also Freeza...but if the likes of Cooler, Android 13 and Janemba took their places, would they be a better version of the original DB timeline? Let's discuss this alternate canon and see whether this is a worthy swap.
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Make what if about the old dbz movies being canon the events of one movie combined with the regular canon sagas adds to the next movie
I'd say wrath of the dragon could be changed to keep pui alive commanding hirudegarn
Add GT to this timeline.
How about the og Dragonball Movies too?
Krillian and Zengya? Never heard of that pairing, but I have heard of Gohan and Zengya.
This is very interesting. I guess Taipion being Canon might explain the sword on Trunks
Always been my explanation, before the oh that’s not canon thing and the internet , kid me absorbed everything as Dbz I never thought ab timelines and what not. But I mean wrath of dragon I feel like fits into the main timeline IMO , Just after the buu saga before battle of gods. But if not oh well it makes sense too me haha
@@Trelitty11 Yeah I immediately thought that's how Trunks got his sword. It's very fitting, and a passing the torch story from one hero to the next.
@@Trelitty11 it doesn't really fit mainly becouse to open the music box and realese Tapion and Hirudegarn our heroes needed dragon balls that didn't exist in Trunks's timeline and becouse there is no way that Trunks could defeat Hirudegarn that made ssj3 Gotenks and ultimate Gohan look weak
I prefer to take the ending scene of that movie as a homage to future Trunks
This has got to be one of the best dbz what if kind of videos I've seen in a while! Great work Masako!
Well I think I really like this alternative timeline were the dbz movies are canon like I think I like the idea of turles x bulma ship and had a kid name trunks but his taller and no vegeta in this alternate timeline right or vegeta is still there but his of doing his own thing with Nappa and raditz maybe vegeta is still a villain in the alternate ultimate movie timeline where things play out differently or maybe frieza never existed or he’s still there doing he’s own thing masako am I right
You really seem to enjoy giving Gohan a bad side lately. Personally, I just can't see that happening. He's just too sweet for me to see him "idolizing" strong guys for being "cool". Now Goten I can totally see going that route.
SOMEONE DRAW THE NEW TRUNKS WITH TURLES AS A DAD
Make it happen, folks!
And Krillin + zangya!
Since vegta had a son qnd rsdtiz had a duaghter bulma and turles should have an ebny with black hair but bulma hair styel
“That is until Raditz…doesn’t show up!” Me: gasps!
I need some MasakoX Movie Timeline Krillin and Zangya Stat. Also Black haired Trunks, *Especially* in the boujack clothes. I need this Hopium.
This might be one of the most creative videos Masako has done in a while and I love it.
Thank you, Mike.
Love it !
At first, I wasn’t a fan of Turles turning good but hey, we did need Trunks to exist (though not sure why his hair would now be black) and not only does Bulma X Turles sounds like a fun ship, I do like the idea of Turles joining the good guys and having a family while retaining some of his sinister yet kind of chill behavior. Sounds fun.
I guess Trunks didn't hit the lavander genetic lottery this time around
It would have been better if you ship Tights with Turles. It is better than Bulma x Turles.
@@michaelsarmiento3057 Why exactally? Bulma makes as much sense with Turles as with Vegeta.
@@mikegates8993 It just that I saw Turles x Tights on deviantart.
@@michaelsarmiento3057 Fair enough, I enjoy a few ships in the Neptunia series for a similar reason.
i absolutely love this alternative timeline!! it would be cool if you did a what if series on this timeline, adding more detail to these alternative sagas and making them more smoothly transition into eachother. what a sick video!!
I would honestly love to see more of Zangya in these. Honestly when I was younger I had a bit of a crush on her in the games (yes I didn't see Bojak til later in my life.) She really is one of the better looking females and feel she would have been a more interesting and fun coupling with the Krill dog. :D
you really missed out on giving Trunks a time travel heart attack from learning of this timeline
what a missed opportunity
... Is it bad that I want to hear this fleshed out more? I feel like the potential character interactions would be really interesting....
Exactly!
I actually would like a long multi part story from this. Also since Turles is with Bulma in this timeline, Future Trunks is gonna be a tall guy because Turles is taller than Vegeta plus with a possible unique hair style, and extremely smart because Turles is a smart cookie in his own right.
Also the artist making art of this version of Trunks should keep Trunks’ Blue eyes as it would look awesome with black hair.
Trunks would look like purple haired Gohan from the what if Goku and bulma got married
There would be no Trunks, it would be a whole new character lmfao
@@davidcurtis7236 It basically is though, just the name is the same.
@@davidcurtis7236 yeah yo it would be g string or boxers something like that
Vegeta still can be Canon in this timeline
It's just that the way he joins is VERY different
Whatcha thinking?
Im thinking he saves Obama and works at subway
@@ThatNobody_ based
Maybe when we get into super vegeta takes the place of broly but instead of being legendary he just trained nonstop for his whole life there to explain why he is so strong
« Let’s give Chichi a headache. Seeing how she acts, she deserves it. »
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It'd have been interesting. The pacing of the whole show would have been radically different compared to the real thing. In DBZ you have 4 big sagas vs. having 13 with the movies. The whole thing would either have to be One Piece long or much more tightly paced akin to MHA.
Well, since this would've been back in the '90s, then it would definitely lean more towards One Piece length.
I'd like to imagine that since Goku and Turles look the same, Gorles would just be Goku but slightly taller
I love the idea of movie 2 becoming a Mortal Kombat/Enter the Dragon tournament plot line with the kidnapped fighters. It would have given the OG Dragon Ball fighters a much clearer send-off rather than just ignoring them
FINALLY! Me and a buddy spent an entire day talking about this and I kept thinking to myself, "why hadn't anyone else thought of this?!"
In this AU (Alternate&Ultimate?) Dragon Ball Z, I can only imagine how people would be reacting to the movies. Such gems as, "Oh geeze! We only found out that Goku's an alien and now THE PRINCE of his Species shows up out of nowhere?" or even, "Oh for the love of--Cooler has a YOUNGER brother named Frieza!? And he doesn't armor up but goes GOLD like a Super Saiyan!?" And of course there, "Oh that's an interesting idea to have the Gero A.I. give itself an Android body but come on! Androids 16 through 20!? How long are they going to milk this idea!?"
Oddly enough, there is a huge, HUGE fanbase around Cell, who is seen as the ultimate fighter due to having the DNA of all the others... to the point he's actually reworked and made canon come the 2018 movie, "Dragon Ball Super: Cell".
I talked to a friend a few weeks ago about how we can't call GT, Super's Anime or Super's Manga canon and noncanon but different continuities. Then we also talked about the movies. I showed him a video where someone explained why certain movies can't happen which explained how certain movies were very similar.
Garlic Jr was similar to Raditz showing up, kidnapping Gohan and making Goku & Piccolo team up
Turles was similar to Vegeta, an evil Saiyan arriving with a team to fight the Z Fighters and adding a Great Ape into the mix
Cooler was similar to Frieza...i think you get it
Also Tapion. Tapion was how Kid Trunks got his sword which he keeps through GT. However, it doesn't explain how Future Trunks has his sword. Plus DBS Kid Trunks doesn't have his sword at all
I agree with this interpretation too. Some people get wayyyyy to upset about a very black and white this, this and this are canon everything else is NOT!!! (Even though none of it's been confirmed but that's besides the point).
I just look at them all as one big group of different continuities, timelines, whatever you want to call it. The DBS manga can be canon to the overall franchise, the DBS anime can be canon to the overall franchise and so on. Even Heroes/XenoVerse explaining how the DB universe has infinite timelines, it all supports this theory. It's also just... more fun that way?
@@robot7935 True
Whomever owns dbz (toei or whatever) is famous for not taking risk. Their motto seems to be "if it aint broke don't fix it" they are the same people who didn't want goku to grow up because they were afraid kids wouldn't like it anymore.
So of course when they have to make dbz products they stick to the formula that's working.
Remaking each saga in the movies.
Tapion is just an other kaio shin (but useful) janemba is fat buu. Cooler is freezer, etc. I believe that's the reason why people like the Broly movie so much. It was different. No villain before was like Broly (although he didn't have much personality) and the movie's plot wasn't about Goku which is something I sure the hier ups didn't like at all. (That's why Broly hated goku for a reason he shouldn't even remember)
Also, the reason trunks has a sword is because it looks cool 😜
Plus. Think about how trunks was dressing when he appeared. His pants up to his belly button, bowl cut, his mother's jacket (kinda short on him). If he wasn't ripped and had a sword he's look like a nerd.
Talk about altering history. Let's just hope Chronoa doesn't find out about this.
Aww yeah, Lord Slug finally gets his time to shine!
IT IS A GOOD DAY FOR KING PICCOLO
Down bad
I agree, Lord Slug needs more shine and something that makes him stand out from King Piccolo and Piccolo jr
@@HeartofBattlechannel My favorite idea for Slug is that the Namekian Elders released Slug to fight Freeza’s invading forces, which resulted in a grander war when the Dragon Team arrives.
I love the emphasis on Bulma's name instead of Vegeta at 12:18 because it implies Trunks was originally the son of Turles and Vegeta
Imagine that in this version of the show, there are non canon movies that feature concepts like "the brother of Cooler shows up for revenge" and "Gero had another android in mind, a bug man capable of absorbing two other androids to achieve a perfect form". I want to see your take on making non canon movie timeline versions of the real sagas that fit into this alternate storyline.
This video make me think that "What if Turles replaced Vegeta ?" would be cool x')
No Ultimate Gohan in this timeline. I wonder if that means he finds an alternate path to power like he claims to be attempting in the Manga version of the ToP.
Or if he'll simply follow dear old dad down the route of Super Saiyan God.
My first thought is that this will work pretty well, because a lot of the DBZ movies are basically copies of the saga they came out in. You've got the Cell style absorbtion powerup in Super 13. You've got Cooler, who is basically Freeza with a sexier voice. You've got Janemba, a fat idiot who turns into a dangerous malicious embodiment of chaotic evil.
Wow! This is an interesting one!
Funny thing is I was thinking about something similar with a Dragon Ball reboot idea where the story is told through Goku Jr. with Pan and other surviving characters telling him the story of Son Goku. Junior would then use the lessons or elements from those stories to fight similar villains in his time - the movie villains.
THIS. This is exactly the kind of Masako video I was craving. A true elseworlds, wildcard video that goes absolutely buck wild with everyone involved.
Amazing work man ❤️
Great yarn, here! Very creative way of looping in all the movies into something cohesive. Like others have said, you could've stretched this out into its own series for several weeks, and I would've tuned in for every ep!
So...when's "Revival 'C'"? 8D
If you are going to continue this "canon", I'd also suggest freely looping in fitting stuff from Heroes, FighterZ, Fusions and the like, since they're pretty much the new "Extended canon" just like the movies once were. Instead of fooling around with Gods and Angels, let's go have Goku, Turles and the gang go mess around with Demons in the Demon World!
The best part about this video is to the casual DBZ fans who know as much of the show as "kai" where anything from the movies is considered "obscure", my favorite part is _those_ people will have NO idea what you are talking about and will have a hard time keeping up. And I find that. . . . high-larious.
Now we need to reverse this, what if the main Z arcs were movies?
Cooler just lost his entire family. Welp, at least he is still Frieza.
Lol
Movie timeline is best timeline. They make sense together and are an interesting alternate interpretation of the story.
You could have introduced Vegeta during the first Broly movie, as part of Paragus' revenge plot.
I like this alternate timeline, but I kind of wish you had made Turles not only a replacement for Vegeta, but also a replacement for Raditz. Thus giving an explanation as to why they look so similar: they are twin brothers.
You know this completely changes how Resurrection F would work as that was Frieza training to achieve a higher power for revenge but he only does that because of Goku. There are a lot of options to explore here in this new version of Z and Super.
Have Freeza show up as this never before seen brother of Cooler, out for revenge, and whipping out a new higher transformation that blindsides the cast. Basically, you make Freeza into Cooler.
I think it's a bit of a stretch, and takes away from Goku's originality that we're going to have Turles long term. But for the most part I liked this.
I hope Xenoverse 2 developers would listen to this man and make a sequel to the game. It would be cool if we could choose which time line we want our game to move.
Glad I was able to catch this! Saiyan Z Fighters being famous and Turles being Vegeta's replacement certainly would make the world of Z quite different.
I like that power creep doesn’t seem to be an issue in this timeline either. Everyone has a relevant role and isn’t ridiculously left behind like the original canon.
Well this was a pleasant surprise. What I like about the DBZ films is they're like a toolbox of ideas, plotlines, and character that anyone is free to use how they want. I just sort of want to prattle on about alternative ways to make this story work.
Wheelo could be the Raditz of this story instead of Cacao. He could see that Turles's ship will arrive on Earth eventually from his Arctic base and decide the Earth needs the ultimate lifeform, a combination of the greatest mind and strongest body. It makes Wheelo slightly more sympathetic/justified but his ego and grim past keep him as an antagonist. Anyway he could allude to Turles's arrival to segway into the next arc.
You could have a Super Vegeta moment but instead with Turles, and he defeats Super Android 13 while Goku and Gohan train in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber. It doesn't change anything and this way Super Android 13 is closer to his power level in the movie. Though it's anti-climatic.
Would King Cold still exist in this timeline? Being a villian in the original story should mean he dosen't, but the appearance of Cooler would mean that Cold does exist in this timeline.
EDIT: He most likely passed away before the events of the series, similar to Dr. Gero.
As someone who's nearly done with a playthrough of Pokemon Gold '97 Reforged, this idea of swapping the established canon with a completely different one that's still somewhat "real" for lack of a better word, this is VERY interesting.
Something about this made me really nostalgic. Really brought me back to how huge and expansive Dragon Ball felt back in the day with the movies and the filler and everything. The streamlined way we usually watch DBK nowadays just doesn't quite capture that magic.
this is so accurate. i feel like new dragon ball fans don't understand how nuanced the fandom used to be.
@@joj5150 what is nuanced?
Yes! To me, Dragon Ball was a huge world of the anime (DB, DBZ, DBGT), all it’s filler and the movies. I know that a lot of it isn’t very great or perfect, but I still love it.
I’m honestly really curious to see this be a full fledged what if as I think it would be fun or at least make a continuation of this but going into super as what if parts continuing were this video left off
Definitly quite good! Though Turles with Bulma is certainly interesting there. Turles is definitely pretty cold though. I'm guessing that like Vegeta, seeing his potential son in danger is what's gonna be what causes him to finally reach the emotion needed to transform
This timeline is so freaking awesome 😍
I'd like to see this time line play out. It's interesting to hear all this. You did a good job making this make sense lol.
Do a time line of DBZ where it's nothing but the filler arcs lol.
you should do a part 2
but with the canon events taken place after all these adventures
with characters scaled up to match
Imagine if OG Dragon Ball had Garlic Jr. instead of Pilaf, Dr Wheelo instead of Adjutant Black and Lord Slug instead of Piccolo? ^^
Still, the OG series would most likely have their movie villains King Gourmet as Pilaf and Lucifer as the leader of the Red Ribbon Army or as a King Piccolo replacement.
Good sir, I applaud you. You did a great job using the movies to create a very interesting parallel series that I'm almost saddened by for not existing.
Bulma really said "Welp, couldn't have Goku, let me grab his evil brother from another mother instead"
What about the Yo Son Goku! Movie?!?
*sigh* guess Tarble doesn’t get the idea to visit earth with no vegeta in the story
And yes, yes he would still be canon here. After all, he was never a villain
I just love the gag of everyone mistaking Turles for Goku
Can we get a part two into Super using this timeline and supers events (Resurrection F= Resurrection C)
I would make Hirudegarn the god of destruction of Ultimate Universe 7
What if Super were a sequel to the movies?
I have a question for a request could you make a theory of what if trunks Time Machine was found earlier because no one’s made one yet and I’m intrigued to figure out what I thought happened
Bulma gets to hook up with "Goku" after all lol.
I'd love to see fanart of Trunks with black hair and Gorles (sort of a tanner version of Gogeta?). I guess the potara version would be called Turku.
Aren't those blue cabbage creatures mechanical duplicates of the Green cabbage creatures (I'm not going to attempt to spell the name because I don't have a clue how one would spell it) that nappa had?
So he couldn't have made the blue ones because they have no idea the biological design of the green ones.
Turles: Hey Vegeta! I'm replacing you!
Vegeta: NOOOOOO
DragonBall Z? You mean DragonBall X?
Can we continue into GT? Most of DBZ movie (Except Battle of god and Resurrection F) is canon to GT after all.
This may sound stupid but what if all the canon ones were movies in this universe.
Dragon Ball Z:Super Hero would so be better than Dragon Ball Super:Super Hero
So redundant
As long as my boy Tapion gets some time to shine, I'm happy.
What if the false super saiyan was the OG saiyan form broly(super) use in the movie lol
This was a cool idea! If you're up for it, Masako, I wouldn't mind a long multi part series of this version of the Dragon Ball Z timeline.
Actually, the Garlic Jr. movie was technically canon because he returned in the actual anime not long before the Cell Saga. However, that whole arc was redacted in Kai.
It Wasn't canon never in the Manga and never been mentioned by anyone In Canon Dragon Ball that arc is filler
@@XJSPlays02 Hello there, just say the exact opposite of what I'm saying why dontcha
This what if is Dragon Ball Z but it's different
If you really think about it in this cannon vegeta would still be Canon he will just not be the exact same Vegeta so basically he wouldn’t exactly be The one we know in reality He would’ve just probably been mentioned hell maybe he would’ve been made Canon in the Dragon Ball super movie instead of broly because in this timeline broly would’ve been Canon so that way we probably would’ve gotten Dragonball super Vegeta or something Idk?
can you continue with DB Super?
I imagine Goku and Turles vs Goku Black would be a headache, so maybe have Broly Black?
also I am not sure if there is enough material to cover outside DBS Super Hero, since the first 2 movies you'll just replace Vegeta with Turles, and give Trunks blac hair.... so maybe continue into DBS series instead?
Well this was certainly a fun and interesting video, perhaps you can do more like these in the future, maybe one where you take elements from Super to improve GT, idk
What if the Majin Buu Saga had Lucifer from the Dragonball movie Sleeping Princess in the Castle teamup with Dabura to awaken Majin Buu
princess snake all the demons from the og dragonball annnin fortune teller babas fighters janemba
"Krillin hooks up with Zangya"
It finally happened boys! Zangya is canon! ...Technically. :)
you know, i've always had a sort of bone to pick with movie 7. if you're designing your own canon, you can finish the villain off however, even if it doesn't match the original movie. so why not have Piccolo absorb Lord Slug? i could see Piccolo fusing with Lord Slug before he even get's off the ship. he then walks out like: "nevermind, i already took care of him." or Gohan asks him: "did you just.. take care of a big bad single handedly?" and Piccolo responds with: "yeah but, don't count on it." this would probably be a Piccolo after he's reformed, or it could set up for him returning as a main villain again. he could even absorb Guru, Kami, and Nail for good measure. i could see this version of Super Piccolo becoming a real threat, or a critical ally. interesting to think about, don't you agree?
I noticed that you're relying on movies that only apply to DBZ. But why not take into account Dragon Ball movies? There are three of them after all (4 if you count The Path to Power). But the first DB movie was Curse of the Blood Rubies. It's literally a retelling of the beginning of DB, but changing the villains. It's so clearly a retelling that some of the scenes (save for voice acting) were clearly ripped from the original anime.
It would have been even more interesting if you’d been able to use the Dragon Ball movies as well, since a lot of that was basically retelling Dragon Ball with slight differences. Seems a little weird not to include main universe characters that appeared in the movies if they were introduced in the main timeline, though, since almost every character was introduced in the main universe aside from the villains. It would have been fun to find a way to introduce Vegeta/18 within the context of the first movie in which they appeared, but they would simply be at whatever development they were at the time (heck, 18 could have just been Lazuli who was saved by Krillin from getting kidnapped for androidification).
why would Trunks hair color change in this timeline? His hair color was always Derivative of Bulma's.
But what if goku was a more active parent? Like he took interest in Gohans education and trained him like Roshi trained goku. Chichi handles the academic and goku does the P.E..
I think gohan and goku would be smarter, stronger and have a much better bond.
16:08 all the saiyans and Goku from beyond the Grave? What? No Zangya? She is about on par with Grade 4 SS, she is plenty powerful too!
Now I wanna see this continue in the Super timeline badly
What if doctor gero was actually good and bulma was evil? Like he was inspired by goku to create hero androids to stop an evil bulma and the briefs family actually works for red ribbon.
This is the weirdest au ever 🤔🤔🤔
This is better than 8 hours of sleep
I wonder how Krillin daughter was going to look is she going to be named after his ex and what about bulla how is she going to look or is she going to even be born 💯🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
Gorles? Cmon. He coulda been named Letsgo! Oh I guess that'd be the potara form.
Also did you just skip over them defeating #13? Oh no, you said "however" after he was defeated in a way that just sounded like you were going to reveal he was okay. "however" was not a good way to transition from that scene.
The loss of Gotenks is fine. The lack of potara makes sense as Supreme Kai does not show up. Which I hope means we get to see more of Grand Kai. Overall, I really like this alternate world. It's insane how different it is, and yet it's so familiar that I feel like I've already seen it. We have all the pieces to make it.
In one alternate universe, we've got people discussing if the movies can be canon, Where we got the Raditz movie, the Prince Vegeta movie, Cooler's angry family movie, the addition of 3 more androids... Which I feel has enough to be it's own movie without Cell, but how would that end in a way that would allow for a Cell movie? I suppose we just rely on time travel. And then finally the Buu movie where we'd get Gotenks, but I wonder if we'd even need a potara fusion for Goku and Turles if they have the dance.
That's not too many movies. But I can already see them writing Vegeta into the canon eventually as he's such a popular movie character. Oh man! Woah! Holdup! I just realised, if we're swapping canon and non-canon. Does this mean Super came next as a shorter series that no-one liked, and then GT comes in as the real canon continuation? That's an awesome timeline!
Edit: After reading the comments I realise that we'd get a post DBZ movie introducing us to Android 21, in way that doesn't make Buu and the Android movies canon, (Like how we got the canon Broly movie in our own timeline.) but uses elements from them to add the best bits from those movies into the canon. I guess after that ends and she is defeated, she'd get to come back as her own version of Uub. Or... I guess there are several ways to end that as a canon movie. As for our timeline canon Broly, I can't see any way to make him fit into this alternate world. Because why would they make a non-canon movie about him, that ignores the canon? Unless it takes place in Trunks' future timeline maybe? Though. The broly movie even in our own timeline hardly feels canon when Broly is never seen or heard from ever again for the rest of Super. It's odd.
I’d like to say thank you for being my teacher into the deep and vast world of dragon ball.
Old broly gets so much crap, if there was no original broly. Then there would be no current broly.
I like this, but this feels a bit...trunciated. Like this should've been spread out a bit more. Like feels like you could've explored the character of the villains or Turles a bit.
Well At least Brolly Is Çannob Now
Yes. There's no doubt it.
Krillin successfully offing someone with the deatruto disc is fanfic in its purists form and no one's even talking about it
for the 2nd movie maybe have android 8 in it because he has a strong robot body that looks human so wheelo might want his body but be unable to use it and reprogram eighter to be his minion also have him in the android 13 movie after all the idea of android 8 taking a stand against dr gero would be cool
Okay, someone make this show, because this is dope.
So a half Hera Merron interesting.
You forgot the plan to destroy the Saiyans or as most people know it as the plan to eradicate Christmas