Not really funny at all, because they didn’t accommodate any of the things the pilots wanted. The pilot flying on one engine was basically told to go eff himself on all counts.
Pilot's having an emergency shouldn't have to provide Air Traffic Controllers with information. I had an electrical problem with faulty instrumentation and a depressurization. ATC started asking about the fuel and souls on board, and I told them to call Company, that we were busy.
tell the god damn 320 to go around and dont let the god damn 330 enter and take off before the emergency traffic !!! Whats wrong with you guys...The captain was unnecessarily polite !
The 320 on the parallel is no factor. 31L and 31R have good horizontal separation. 31R will never close and I bet 31L opened after a runway inspection. Emergencies like this happen all the time, the airport doesn’t automatically shut everything down.
Always amazes me that a departure roll happens within minutes of an emergency inbound operating on one engine. I get how busy JFK is but to create a wake turbulence and run the slight risk of a reject ahead of the inbound is baffling. But this is far from just a JFK quirk. Happens everywhere it seems.
Money is vastly more important than lives in America. If you do something in service of money you are doing it in service of God as far as our culture is concerned. Remember this is the very Christian nation that will tell you Jesus was too woke.
The older pilot sounded like he’d had enough shit for one day. When American 1722 asked to go straight if he had to go-around, and the controller was basically “nah, turn left” I’m assuming that’s because atc did not want an emergency aircraft heading straight towards downtown manhattan? In other words, it was a polite way of saying “you have 200 souls onboard, there’s a million people in nyc, get fucked”?
I can’t believe that Kennedy clear a heavy takeoff with an emergency inbound. Pilot punished them though when he closed runway 31L. Good for you American. Kennedy risked lives by continuing departures. I hope the pilot files a report.
After the wake turbulence caution by ATC, pilot should have responded with “possible ATC emergency procedure deviation, I have a number for you to call when able”
So...make the captain of a single-engined A321 look for cross-traffic, then allow a freaking A330 to take off minutes ahead of him on the runway he needs, causing him to have to prepare for the possibility of a wake turbelence-induced go-around, then gets told to bug off when he asks for a straight-out missed approach if he has to go around. Dude, f*ck JFK
What? Modern Aircraft can do this ans rhe pilot can refuse anytime if they are not able to do.. thats why you declare an emergency, then you can request things, not accept them
He asked them if they needed to maintain 2,000 or if they could continue to climb. They indicated that they wanted to continue to climb. Pilots could have just said no if they thought that would be a problem at all. Climbing to 5,000 ft on a single engine isn't really a big deal for modern airliners, though. Going up to 5,000 ft gives them more safety margin if the other engine decided to quit later. 2,000 ft doesn't give you much reaction time (see also: Jeju Air and, especially for this particular departure, Sully's ditching in the Hudson.)
@@SimisioLP They go around. Just like how they took off from LGA on one engine. We practice single engine go arounds in the sim. Yes, it’s better to not go around, but it is expected that you are able to with just an engine out. It looks like they were probably 9 or 10 miles out when they cleared them for takeoff.
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Apart from the slotting another departure on the runway that the emergency aircraft is trying to land on, which could cause an abort on the runway and then force the emergency aircraft to do a single engine go around, in an aircraft that has already been damaged, by bird strike, right?
Waiting for this to happen again one day but the aircraft taking off has to abort on the runway, the aircraft with the declared emergency can't go around due to control issues or the second engine fails and ends up landing on top of the aircraft ATC pushed in front of them, a la Tenerife. But, don't forget, in the USA, profit is far more important that a couple hundred lives.
erm.....aside from throwing a wake turbulence advisory at the inbound Mayday...for which you can hear the annoyance of the voice of the pilot...increasing stress........what if that departing traffic had a rejected take off..denying the runway for the emergency?..surely this isn't standard ATC ops?...sounds crazy to me.....Mayday is absolute priority is it not?.....I hope the crew of the emergency inbound filed a complaint.
Why does there seem to be so many problems with the planes having serious problems. Is it the maintenance or parts of the original plane. I'm loosing confidence in going on a plane, usually I love being in a plane but wondering now
There are over 50 bird strikes per day in the US on airliners of all types. Very few-about 4% cause serious damage. We were on a flight to Honolulu leaving Seattle when we hit a bird - or birds in 2019-we had to go around and land-the birds hit the wing not the engines, but because of the strike we had to land anyway. It happens a lot more than you think.
AA flight 1722 declared a Mayday, an emergency, and then asked to climb? ATC should have cleared all air traffic and given the pilots the highest priority to any airport.
Don't travel by air any more. These people are nuts. So much unnecessary talking it's sickening to listen. Pilot must be ready to jump out of the plane. Oh, it is called the stress management for emergencies. Little wonder so many planes are crashing now.
@@arimunic Agreed. Altitude is an advantage. Except in this scenario they had two major airports close by, KJFK and KEWR, both with long runways and no high terrain, even surrounded by water in case of a ditching. The pilots declared Mayday, an emergency, so air traffic control should have put all other air traffic on standby, clear all surrounding airports and given AA flight 1722 the highest priority so the pilots could do whatever they needed to do to deal with the emergency.
Why wouldn't you accept a climb in this situation? The aircraft is cleaned up and flying on speed. Staying at 2,000, which is probably the lowest minimum vectoring altitude and is the maximum elevation figure two squares over on the VFR sectional chart. Why fly at the minimum altitude and the altitude nearly every aircraft intercepting ILS at four major airports around you are using? Yes, ATC could move dozens or aircraft but doing so would create a very unsafe situation for dozens of other aircraft.
@@JohnSmith-zi9or When asked if they could continue climbing, the pilots should have said yes we'll climb to 3000' and need immediate vectors for a straight in to Kennedy runway 22R or 13L. This would not create an unsafe situation for other air traffic. From their position, why make that long U-turn around for runway 31L?
@@jorgeB767-3ERover weight and 31L is longer runway. Aircraft still have one engine and can still fly an hour Pilots can always request and reject clearance and ATC are there for assistance in emergency That’s why ATC ask “ can you climb to 5000”
@@haroldmoran4339 Unsure what your saying here. His CRM and responses were poor to say the least and I didn't mention anything about what 'I wanted hime to do' . Please don't respond with an assumption
UA-cam commenter obsession with the word "Mayday" never ceases to amaze me, even aside from the fact that it was used here exactly according to the standard.
Lol that tower lady had no clue that he was telling her to be intelligent and not take off a plane before an emergency single engine heavy
These guys from Kennedy are not used to being told what to do 😂 hilarious.
Not really funny at all, because they didn’t accommodate any of the things the pilots wanted. The pilot flying on one engine was basically told to go eff himself on all counts.
Pilot's having an emergency shouldn't have to provide Air Traffic Controllers with information. I had an electrical problem with faulty instrumentation and a depressurization. ATC started asking about the fuel and souls on board, and I told them to call Company, that we were busy.
They can’t think on their own and realize the pilots may be too busy to check on souls or fuel.
@@veiledallegorythey ask that for safety reasons though, come on🙄
WTF is Kennedy doing, trying to run a departure before that inbound emergency? That controller should be retrained on emergency procedures.
Seriously….if I were the captain I would have asked the tower for a number to call.
it is the US airports and NY. they are so busy they keep doing this kind of thing all time....agree it works until it breaks....
I just hope that when the time comes, the emergency aircraft will be able to turn into a lawn mower instead of making an even bigger mess.
Only place an emegency aircraft is slotted in with normal traffic, I was expecting vacate the runway for inbound on a 5 mile final!
more likely a 2 mile final...then get scolded for causing a go around then get a number read to you...
tell the god damn 320 to go around and dont let the god damn 330 enter and take off before the emergency traffic !!! Whats wrong with you guys...The captain was unnecessarily polite !
What is your logic for having the Airbus go around on the parallel/non intersecting runway?
@@sonicapollo wow :) so we have a deal with 330 ha ;)
Safety, It was just an engine failure but could develop other control issues!@sonicapollo
Meant for soncopello!
The 320 on the parallel is no factor. 31L and 31R have good horizontal separation. 31R will never close and I bet 31L opened after a runway inspection. Emergencies like this happen all the time, the airport doesn’t automatically shut everything down.
Always amazes me that a departure roll happens within minutes of an emergency inbound operating on one engine. I get how busy JFK is but to create a wake turbulence and run the slight risk of a reject ahead of the inbound is baffling. But this is far from just a JFK quirk. Happens everywhere it seems.
Money is vastly more important than lives in America. If you do something in service of money you are doing it in service of God as far as our culture is concerned. Remember this is the very Christian nation that will tell you Jesus was too woke.
Was waiting for ,,unable Kennedy, it’s gonna be the hudson‘‘
The older pilot sounded like he’d had enough shit for one day.
When American 1722 asked to go straight if he had to go-around, and the controller was basically “nah, turn left” I’m assuming that’s because atc did not want an emergency aircraft heading straight towards downtown manhattan? In other words, it was a polite way of saying “you have 200 souls onboard, there’s a million people in nyc, get fucked”?
I can’t believe that Kennedy clear a heavy takeoff with an emergency inbound. Pilot punished them though when he closed runway 31L. Good for you American. Kennedy risked lives by continuing departures. I hope the pilot files a report.
After the wake turbulence caution by ATC, pilot should have responded with “possible ATC emergency procedure deviation, I have a number for you to call when able”
So...make the captain of a single-engined A321 look for cross-traffic, then allow a freaking A330 to take off minutes ahead of him on the runway he needs, causing him to have to prepare for the possibility of a wake turbelence-induced go-around, then gets told to bug off when he asks for a straight-out missed approach if he has to go around.
Dude, f*ck JFK
mayday mayday, engine failure. ATC: Climb to 5000 buddy!
Exactly my thoughts 😂
What? Modern Aircraft can do this ans rhe pilot can refuse anytime if they are not able to do.. thats why you declare an emergency, then you can request things, not accept them
@@Kaipeternicolas 🤣
He asked them if they needed to maintain 2,000 or if they could continue to climb. They indicated that they wanted to continue to climb. Pilots could have just said no if they thought that would be a problem at all. Climbing to 5,000 ft on a single engine isn't really a big deal for modern airliners, though. Going up to 5,000 ft gives them more safety margin if the other engine decided to quit later. 2,000 ft doesn't give you much reaction time (see also: Jeju Air and, especially for this particular departure, Sully's ditching in the Hudson.)
I’m never flying into Kennedy.
Nice job American Pilots.
What was up with that initial tower controller.... concerned about departing aircraft. Crazy
Its more of just for your info type of callout.
@ yeah I get that, but to let an aircraft depart potentially causing turbulence when an emergency aircraft is on final seemed a bit odd.
Debris on runway concerns
@@pauldavies4870 not just that. what happens if the departing flight also runs into problems, potentially stopping and blocking the runway....
@@SimisioLP They go around. Just like how they took off from LGA on one engine. We practice single engine go arounds in the sim. Yes, it’s better to not go around, but it is expected that you are able to with just an engine out. It looks like they were probably 9 or 10 miles out when they cleared them for takeoff.
I’m confused why they keep making an Emergency Aircraft switch frequencies. It makes no sense!!!
im confused at how you want this to be handled...any other way?
Just a question. Why didn’t the direct them over less populated areas?
That pilot sounds like he’s having a panic attack.
5:40 she was like:
'Cause I know the way to get 'em motivated
I make elevating music, you make elevator music
"Oh, he's too mainstream"
Well, that's what they do when they get jealous, they confuse it
"It's not hip-hop, it's pop, " 'cause I found a hella way to fuse it
With rock, shock rap with Doc
Throw on "Lose Yourself" and make 'em lose it [...]"
why not mention that you are an emergency aircraft when calling into atc...
he did?
He should have been squawking 7700, so they should know.
Weren't watching where the first ATC said that they were co-ordinating with Kennedy?
@@crazycarl00 What? Mayday Mayday Mayday isn't enough?
💀💀💀 guess you missed this very first thing he said
That tower controller contact readout is fucking bonkers. Mad respect for her. BUSY BUSY
Apart from the slotting another departure on the runway that the emergency aircraft is trying to land on, which could cause an abort on the runway and then force the emergency aircraft to do a single engine go around, in an aircraft that has already been damaged, by bird strike, right?
@@BabyMakR a la Tenerife....
Kennedy ATC are such utter see you next tuesdays
U have traffic departing while an emerg is inbound. Jfk kooks
Jfk doesn’t shut down anything for safety. Much like an American emergency room they are “too busy” for safety
Debrid from the broken Engine ob the runway
Hello, have you the correct date?
Why not use 22l or 22r
They were really overweight with fuel and needed the longest runway possible, 31L is a half mile longer than 22R.
they can always land in the hudson
The controllers in this case, were not very good.
When did this happen?
I think it was 12-13-2024
Waiting for this to happen again one day but the aircraft taking off has to abort on the runway, the aircraft with the declared emergency can't go around due to control issues or the second engine fails and ends up landing on top of the aircraft ATC pushed in front of them, a la Tenerife.
But, don't forget, in the USA, profit is far more important that a couple hundred lives.
erm.....aside from throwing a wake turbulence advisory at the inbound Mayday...for which you can hear the annoyance of the voice of the pilot...increasing stress........what if that departing traffic had a rejected take off..denying the runway for the emergency?..surely this isn't standard ATC ops?...sounds crazy to me.....Mayday is absolute priority is it not?.....I hope the crew of the emergency inbound filed a complaint.
Why does there seem to be so many problems with the planes having serious problems. Is it the maintenance or parts of the original plane. I'm loosing confidence in going on a plane, usually I love being in a plane but wondering now
The pilot reported hitting birds on climb out.
There are over 50 bird strikes per day in the US on airliners of all types. Very few-about 4% cause serious damage.
We were on a flight to Honolulu leaving Seattle when we hit a bird - or birds in 2019-we had to go around and land-the birds hit the wing not the engines, but because of the strike we had to land anyway. It happens a lot more than you think.
AA flight 1722 declared a Mayday, an emergency, and then asked to climb? ATC should have cleared all air traffic and given the pilots the highest priority to any airport.
Everyone’s an expert I suppose
Don't travel by air any more. These people are nuts. So much unnecessary talking it's sickening to listen. Pilot must be ready to jump out of the plane. Oh, it is called the stress management for emergencies. Little wonder so many planes are crashing now.
The aircraft can continue climbing on one engine. But being so heavy why climb to 5000 when they could have stayed at 2000' or 3000' at most?
Altitude = energy = options. If you turn into a glider you want to be as high as possible so you can have the most time to troubleshoot and position.
@@arimunic Agreed. Altitude is an advantage. Except in this scenario they had two major airports close by, KJFK and KEWR, both with long runways and no high terrain, even surrounded by water in case of a ditching. The pilots declared Mayday, an emergency, so air traffic control should have put all other air traffic on standby, clear all surrounding airports and given AA flight 1722 the highest priority so the pilots could do whatever they needed to do to deal with the emergency.
Why wouldn't you accept a climb in this situation? The aircraft is cleaned up and flying on speed. Staying at 2,000, which is probably the lowest minimum vectoring altitude and is the maximum elevation figure two squares over on the VFR sectional chart. Why fly at the minimum altitude and the altitude nearly every aircraft intercepting ILS at four major airports around you are using? Yes, ATC could move dozens or aircraft but doing so would create a very unsafe situation for dozens of other aircraft.
@@JohnSmith-zi9or When asked if they could continue climbing, the pilots should have said yes we'll climb to 3000' and need immediate vectors for a straight in to Kennedy runway 22R or 13L. This would not create an unsafe situation for other air traffic. From their position, why make that long U-turn around for runway 31L?
@@jorgeB767-3ERover weight and 31L is longer runway. Aircraft still have one engine and can still fly an hour
Pilots can always request and reject clearance and ATC are there for assistance in emergency
That’s why ATC ask “ can you climb to 5000”
That pilot was on a different planet he seemed far to blasé
It's called maintain your cool and do it my the numbers, what did you want him to do - go to pieces
@@haroldmoran4339 Unsure what your saying here. His CRM and responses were poor to say the least and I didn't mention anything about what 'I wanted hime to do' . Please don't respond with an assumption
@@raspberrypiploy771 I am not assuming. You said "blase" So my question still is "would you have been happier if he had been a little frantic"
AA PILOT losing his cool !!!
This should have been a mayday mayday immediately. That always immediately changes everything that ATC does.
They did call mayday immediately. First thing they said at the start of the video.
bro they literally declared a mayday lol
@@mita6010 apparently not because they did call mayday and Kennedy was very miffed at the inconvenience. Explains why American pilots seldom bother
UA-cam commenter obsession with the word "Mayday" never ceases to amaze me, even aside from the fact that it was used here exactly according to the standard.
They did. 17 seconds in "Mayday mayday mayday". Should watch the video before commenting.
If it's Boeing, I ain't going. Airbus climbing to 5000 with one engine.
All modern airliners need to be able to climb with one engine failed so no idea what your point is.
Its a joke karen. What fun u must be on a plane
@@ragheadand420roll It wasn't the slightest bit funny so lets call it a failed joke.
@@ragheadand420roll how's that funny
Ok clown a 757 will do it faster on one motor