You can actually adjust the arm so the resistance is a lot more consistent. For leg extension just set it deeper in, and for curls just set it higher. That makes the starting point heavier.
@@1TieDye1 no you don't lose ROM, the rig moves at a 1:1 ratio, meaning if you spin the leg side a 1/4 circle, the other side will travel the same. What Gus is saying, is to adjust the weight side so that the arm is traveling between 7 and 10 oclock, vs 6 and 9 oclock like Coop has it set up.
Recommend you remove that stop pin for the weight arm. Makes transitioning from leg extension to leg curl much easier. No need to flip th arm all the way upland around. Also, for greater resistance at the bottom you can set the weight arm up further in front and the leg arm further back. You can also attach a low cable to it for resistance.
I believe the Body Solid and XMark versions of this machine have a pin that pulls out so you don't have to swing the weight arm around 350 degrees. It would be nice if that same pin was also movable along an arc like the arm for the legs. This way you could start the weight arm from a 8 or 4 o'clock position instead of 6 but that would require a huge piece of steel. I had the Body Solid version but sold it pre-Covid for $250 (facepalm) Wish I had it back
@@japesg the arm that holds the weight. There is a safety stop pin that prevents it from moving forward or back at the bottom position. I just removed it completely. Not necessary at all in my opinion.
Remove the metal peg stopper, and you can go from leg extension to leg curl seamlessly. And as noted, start further back with leg extension and higher up on leg curl and you'll get more resistance in the beginning. I have a lot of Titan equipment, this is my far my fav.
I got one of these recently! One thing that I've done, especially for leg extensions, is I put the pad WAY back. Then when I get into it, the load is already on my legs when I get to resting position (pull it forward basically while I sit down), and then I have resistance more throughout instead of just at the top. :D
That is a great idea, thanks for sharing. We'll have to try that. It makes quite a noticeable difference in the resistance? -Mike, GGR Community Manager
It's not a huuuuge difference but it's enough to make it a non zero weight at the start. :) Girlsdrinkfek, obviously don't do it to a point where it is uncomfortable, but I find that scooting forward in the seat let's me comfortably get back further to allow it without any strain on my knees for my flexibility range.
Great review, I think he nailed all the pros and cons. I got this a year ago and it’s been great to have a leg extension and leg curl in a small footprint. It’s not a commercial piece, but it’s great for the home gym.
I place a 4x4 on the ground in front of the front feet and then drag a bench over for seated calf raises. Loaded it up to 325 and it holds up just fine.
If you put a 5-25lb plate on the stop pin for the weight arm it works better. It makes the starting weight higher. Also helps to get more ROM on extensions. Partner takes it off during the first rep and replaces it on the last.
I see that it's got pin holes all around the disc. If you wanted more resistance at the bottom you could pin it so that the weight arm is closer to horizontal. When the weight arm is vertical the first movement of the weight is forward (or backward), so it's not going against gravity so the resistance is minimized. When the weight arm is horizontal your lifting the entirety of the weight with no assistance from the weight arm. Having said that, with the load moving through an arc like that it is indeed unavoidable that the resistance will vary throughout the ROM. But you could work 45 degrees below to 45 degrees above parallel to stay in the range that provides the most resistance.
I really like GGR, but this review reminded me a little of the time he reviewed a Titan rack versus either a Rogue or Rep, where he didn't actually tighten any of the bolts on the Titan rack and shook it, talking about how it wasn't as stable as the welded racks. Like, yes, of course. But also, maybe tighten the bolts?
Exactly. I'm very surprised Coop overlooked this as it's something mentioned in other UA-cam reviews of this machine and clear from the design of the machine itself.
Coop try this for the resistance through ROM. Stack some stuff (ideally silencer pads) under the plates in the resting position so that the weight arm is at 45 degrees in the bottom position. This should make the resistance higher in the beginning, highest in the middle of the ROM, and then a bit lower when getting to full contraction.
I actually attach mine to my titan low row part of the lat pull. Connect it with a chain collar, then added some wheels to it as well so i can wheel it in. Works great and makes it have fairly even resistance throughout
The the weight plates will offer the most resistance when it is moving vertically. Make bumpers in varied sizes that go on the stop pin. These bumpers would hold the resistance arm at a more optimal starting point, say 7:30 (on a clock face) so that vertical resistance is in play from the initial movement.
For me, I think that the first piece of equipment would be a modular power rack, the second a functional cable trainer, and the third (providing that I can do lat pull downs and low rows on the cables) might be a leg extension/ leg curl
the "budget" version of this would be what I have. A titan T3, a couple pulley systems I put on my rack for like 70 bucks, and a leg extension. The only thing I'm missing is the low rows.
Coop might need to do another review when he actually figures out how to use it. I've seen a lot of guys who have owned it for a while and they seem to have figured out the pin position to have better resistance, ie not putting the pin at the very bottom.
There is a guy who’s done a video called “ Titan Fitness Seated Leg Extension / Leg Curl Resistance Profile Fix + 2 Year Update” that shows what he’s done to resolve/work around the lack of resistance at the start of the movement you mention at about 5:20, I would’ve never of thought of it!!
I just cut off the stop pin for the top leg pad and it works perfectly i ground it smooth and touched it up with black paint you can now flip it forward and the other arm won't allow it to go far . Makes getting on and off 100 % better ! Just wanted to share my hack .
Hey Coop.. Try adding a linear shaped pad or rolled up towel under your hamstrings. This should lower the angle of the hip joint to the knee. This should solve the problem of not feeling resistance at the beginning of the leg extension exercise option. Hope that helps. Keep up the great content.
The means to increase weight in rom is to change the leverage. Have the mounting peg longer and extend our beyond where the kick pad is, meaning you’d be applying force to the short arm of the lever.
My gym is mostly Rogue but I do have a few pieces of Titan equipment with this being one of them. I was able to squeeze this in a space at 45deg that was pretty much unusable for anything. I can use 115 before the tail starts to lift off the floor without plates on it. You can adjust the weights to give you more resistance at the beginning of the movement.
@@GarageGymReviews yes. 135 with a 45 on the tail and no problems. 180 and you can feel it get light but it doesn't rock. I believe it can also be bolted down. You can probably fit 180 on the tail and I would guess you could put almost any weight on the extension at that point
@Brad Lustig thank you I was just curious what you had tried. I think if you have 180 on the tail your right you could do whatever you can fit on there. -Mike, GGR Community Manager.
What would be awesome is for some of these companies to come up with a contraption that would level a portion of a sloping garage floor. I love my garage gym and this is the only pain-point for garage set up.
"War zone fitness" reviews this leg extension too and he shows how to fix the rom resistance problem. He swings the weight plate then pops the pin into place when the swinging weight is at a certain spot. Then you have resistance from the very beginning of movement
13:53 Great review but the math does not add up. The overall score should be 4.0, based on equal weighting of the eight component scores (13:41), which total 32. Dividing 32 by 8 yields 4. Are some component scores weighted more than others? Are there other component scores not shown here?
Don't install the pin that is keeping the weight from swinging and you can load up the ROM more. This has solved that problem. Also lift the seat up to highest position and face towards the seat and you can do single leg leg curls.
Awesome, we will have to try this idea out too. Having that more ROM made a big difference in the pump you get from using it? -Mike, GGR Community Manager
Coop, I saw your video about making concrete dumbells. What about making those hexagons first, then measure the weight (excess weight can be sanded off) , fill it with chemical anchor and a threaded rod. That way you can make adjustable dumbell set! Cheap and neat!
Just bought mine. Review is spot on in my opinion and I am glad I picked this up. It's a good buy in my opinion simply for the foot print and functionality.
If you push the arm into a bit higher starting position before you start the leg extension the lower resistance is a bit better, but it’s a pain to do when you’re already in the machine. I usually try to get my feet as far backwards as possible instead. It basically does the same thing.
The lack of resistance for both movements at the start of the rep is super easy to fix. Rather than the weight plates rest at the bottom against that pipe 'stop', if the plates were supported perhaps 4-6 inches up either side from the bottom resting position, then when you commence the contraction movement, the weight is already within the resistance range.
Was buying some nice Urethane plates from a guy and he had this in his garage. I had been eyeing it for over a year. I asked to try it out and my experience validated everything I read about it. It’s a fantastic machine. Medical. My knees felt better with one set than they had in years.
It seems like a very cool piece to add in such a small space. With the weight stack versions of these in commercial gyms they're just too expensive to justify having them in a garage gym generally. I wonder if you said it next to a weight stack you have for something like lat pulldown or row you could just extend that cable and use that on the horn and it would probably take care of quite a bit of that early free travel the plate loaded variety has. I would personally love to have one of these in my garage gym just to be able to go over and get a pump in the thighs or hamstring two or three times a day.
Coop! I've literally been waiting for you to review this piece that's been so obviously lurking around the background of all your other home gym videos. So glad you did! Love this piece. One point you didn't touch on is the camber angle can be finessed to perform similarly to primes leg curl leg extension using the various laser cut holes. Please do a review on all of Prime Fitness's various new generation cavle attachments!!!! The world will thank you. I appreciate all that you do Coop, you truly are revolutionizing the way fitness has been evolving and I think many may not recognize that but I thank you for your reviews man!
I put a 25 lb plate on the stopping pin which raises the starting point of the weight arm. That great increases the resistance at the bottom because the starting point is closer to parallel to the floor.
The weight horn portion needs to start at a slight angle forward (10 degrees or so) and the leg pad needs to be offset backwards by about 10 degrees. That would make it so you get tension through the full ROM. At least for the leg extension portion. If that doesn’t make sense, let me know. I can draw it out.
Man, all these machines look so sleek and nice. I'm a scaffolder by profession and I happen to own some welding gear, so everything in my gym is just built from scrap pieces of scaffolding. They look like random piles of junk, but thanks to my job I've saved a couple thousand dollars. Still, I'm probably gonna sell all this stuff in the future for pennies and invest in something that also looks good...
That is awesome, you have made your own stuff. Feel free to send us some pictures on Instagram or Facebook. Would love to see your DIY projects. -Mike, GGR Community Manager.
If I were a manufacturer, I’d start looking at utilizing a magnet through the first portion of the ROM to increase resistance through a certain point, then end the magnetic resistance, and transfer to the plate load on the rest of the rom
Definitely movements that are missing from my home gym workouts. Really like this piece but agree it's like the "last" piece to add if I have space left.
Way around the resistance issue - connect a cable machine (I have a freemotion cable crossover) to the weight peg in addition to the plates. Make sure the cable is perfectly in line with the bottom of the leg extension/curl movement and I typically put the same weight on the cable stack as the plate (45 lb plate and 45 lb cable stack) to even out the resistance. Cable pulls at the bottom of the movement to give you resistance at the bottom and then at the top when the cable isn’t as much resistance the plate has max resistance with gravity. I use an ankle cuff and a plate collar to attach the cable to the weight peg and secure the plate/cable. Hope that helps/makes sense!
@Joseph Earhart I am going to have to try this for sure. You have tried it this way. Did it seem more like a selectorized version at a commercial gym?- Mike, GGR Community Manager.
@@GarageGymReviews yes I own the valor fitness CC4 (similar to the titan) and use leg extensions and curls this way for training. If I want to emphasize the shortened position on leg extensions I will add more weight in plates than the cable so it is harder at the top but still smoother than weight plates alone without the cable, and if I want to emphasize the more lengthen quad position at the start of the movement I’ll make the cable heavier than the weight plates. Similar logic with the leg curl as well. Makes for a decent substitute for commercial leg ext/curls. Not as good as a prime leg curl/extension but for my tiny space it works.
What I'd love to see you review: Rackable Leg Curl/Extension devices: Titan vs Bells of Steel vs Bullet Proof Fitnesses Isolator. What's the best isolated leg attachment for a rack? Titan's is $550, BOS is $400, and Bullet Proof Fitness's Isolator is $900 (when not on sale). Yes the BPF Isolator does a lot more, but you're paying twice the price. Also for this kind of attachment, they all seem to be around 70-80lbs which is a bit odd for what's supposed to be a removable attachment for a rack... anyway that's my rant and am sure that this comparison would be a popular video and a fun one for you!
There are other brands that allow you to choose the starting position for the weight arm. So for leg extensions you can have the weight arm extended up at the start of the motion which improves the amount of resistance at the start of the rep.
They are currently not shipping until January but, I'd like to see you do a review of the Yukon Leg & Core machine. It does Leg curls both seated & prone, leg extensions, ab crunch & back extensions for $599. I'm really interested in it but I've only seen one person's short written review of it. It looks like it could be a great deal if it does all the things it says it does...& does them half decently. It really needs a review by Coop.👍
I used to run a commercial gym and with this being plate loaded I was skeptical. Then I used it and I like this piece overall. -Mike, GGR Community Manager.
Very Schnell inspired. This German company designed this machine in late sixties or so. They were built so well that they are still in use and sought after
@@ShawntreezyBreezy funny how I told my wife last night I wanted this machine for Xmas based on your review, and now coop releases a review video today.
@@franisdaman I knew Coop would eventually do this so I just had fun with mine. I got a new one on this uploading showing all you can do. It was destiny for him to do this and me do mine today. 👊
if the plates were raised like 30 degrees, you would start with some resistance and the peak 90° would be slightly before the top end. i don't know how to explain it but i hope someone gets the point
You can greatly increase the weight at the bottom of the extensions by adjusting which hole the pin is at the start point. Revisit and think. You can do it Coop
You just have to adjust the pin to where the arm is forward of where it would normally be at the bottom. Then you have to wedge yourself in under the weight or have a buddy hold it up while you get in place.
I feel like you could also use this as a standing leg curl if you kept the weight arm in the front leg extension position and lean over the thigh pad. Then you could grip the handles or possibly the back of the seat. Imagine you could also finagle rear delt flys or modified high rows by leaning over the weight arm. Possibly lateral raises if you either sit on the floor or on some kind of block/pad if you need a bit of added height to get better ROM. Obviously none of these things would be ideal, especially for a taller person, but if all you have is a rack and this machine it might be able to add a few more options to your workouts
just a thought, but if they added a handle to the top of the of where you load plates, you could adjust the foot part to easily be further back, then pull back with the arm handle, and get feet in. that would allow more resistance at the start. personally this wouldn't even be a factor to judge on unless they make something that's perfect in nearly the same price bracket.
potentially have a stop the weight is always at minimum at a 90 degree angle to the back or to the front, then have some form of a quick connect for an inset to decide where on the pole you want to put the weight, nice and up close, or further away... would it increase the space it takes up... when in use yes, but they could have a neutral straight up position for when it's not in use. it would greatly add to the total weight of resistance, while making sure you can easily get your legs in to position safely.
This is definitely an area that companies need to focus on. I would think they would make something that can go on a rogue cage that works with a pulley system.
You can easily remedy this issue by starting with the plates resting on a small stool to create a more perpendicular lever arm at the start of the range of motion. It's not rocket science, but obviously, the chap that runs this channel isn't particularly bright.
As far as resistance at the bottom of the movement on Leg Ext. Could you build a platform to put under the front? Move it to the back for Curls? Certainly NOT convenient, but a possible solution?
We need to see Titan vs Valor vs Archon plate loaded tower pulley. Most home gym guys use these for cable systems and we need to know which is best as some are double the price of others.
It's interesting when you discuss ROM / Range of motion for this. Actually better on the knees when resistance starts off low (weakest part). Very expensive pieces like the Thrive and Prime have options to start the resistance low by design.
Tried it and it doesn't work. The cable has to wrap around the full laser cut circle to have the same effect as a weight stack. if you draw a circle and dot draw a straight line through the circle to the other side. That second point of where the line is perpendicular to the other side is a dead zone of no resistance since they technically reach the same point. If that makes any sense lol.
I have the XMark version. Pretty similar. You can adjust the bottom position of the leg ext so that you start a little farther back and then the "play" section is less. I also took out the pin that separates the leg ext from the leg curl and it makes adjusting it easier. Mine the knee pad comes off then you slide in and reattach it. The ankle pad on mine doesn't move as much. You might want to check out the XMark version
@Ron T we may do a round-up of these pieces thank you for the suggestion. I'm adding it to the list. How long have you had it? No issues with it? -Mike, GGR Community Manager
@@GarageGymReviews I've had it for about 6-8 months I believe. No issues. It's solid. Can't use it right now I'm looking at hip replacement surgery soon but it will be getting it's use when I get into my rehab and beyond
@@GarageGymReviews I actually did a short review on it when I first got it. ua-cam.com/video/lr7Sh_ZF0sE/v-deo.html Since then I removed the pin for the weight arm
The issue you're referring to at 5:38 onwards about there being little/no resistance at the start & too much in the end range can be resolved by simply putting weight plates on a low stool so the lever arm on the machine is more perpendicular to gravity at the start, then pulling the pin out & adjusting the pad so it fits snug against shins. I have a similar machine at home & it creates a better resistance profile than many expensive leg extensions you see in commercial gyms. How could you not have figured that out?
I love how Titan ignored your suggestions on improvements and instead upped the price by $150 more
so it was $550 before?
its way over priced, i was gunna buy one but not for 750, then with shippings its nearly 900 bucks; No way lmao
@@maddawgzzzz $700 with free shipping
Just checked and it's still $700.
Coops marketing effect
Put a 35 lb plate on the peg to switch it from extensions to curls and it solves the resistance problem.
I put a plyo box under the plates for the same effect. The resistance profile is great with that mod
You can actually adjust the arm so the resistance is a lot more consistent. For leg extension just set it deeper in, and for curls just set it higher. That makes the starting point heavier.
Do you lose any ROM when you do that?
@@1TieDye1no.
@@1TieDye1 no you don't lose ROM, the rig moves at a 1:1 ratio, meaning if you spin the leg side a 1/4 circle, the other side will travel the same. What Gus is saying, is to adjust the weight side so that the arm is traveling between 7 and 10 oclock, vs 6 and 9 oclock like Coop has it set up.
Could you put something underneath the front of it, to tilt the whole thing back to change or increase the angle ?
Recommend you remove that stop pin for the weight arm. Makes transitioning from leg extension to leg curl much easier. No need to flip th arm all the way upland around. Also, for greater resistance at the bottom you can set the weight arm up further in front and the leg arm further back. You can also attach a low cable to it for resistance.
I hadn't even thought about attaching a cable for more resistance. Genius idea, thank you. -Mike, GGR Community Manager
35min earlier than me. We had the same idea!!
Can you elaborate on this? Which part is the weight arm and what is low cable?
I believe the Body Solid and XMark versions of this machine have a pin that pulls out so you don't have to swing the weight arm around 350 degrees. It would be nice if that same pin was also movable along an arc like the arm for the legs. This way you could start the weight arm from a 8 or 4 o'clock position instead of 6 but that would require a huge piece of steel.
I had the Body Solid version but sold it pre-Covid for $250 (facepalm) Wish I had it back
@@japesg the arm that holds the weight. There is a safety stop pin that prevents it from moving forward or back at the bottom position. I just removed it completely. Not necessary at all in my opinion.
Remove the metal peg stopper, and you can go from leg extension to leg curl seamlessly. And as noted, start further back with leg extension and higher up on leg curl and you'll get more resistance in the beginning. I have a lot of Titan equipment, this is my far my fav.
I got one of these recently! One thing that I've done, especially for leg extensions, is I put the pad WAY back. Then when I get into it, the load is already on my legs when I get to resting position (pull it forward basically while I sit down), and then I have resistance more throughout instead of just at the top. :D
That is a great idea, thanks for sharing. We'll have to try that. It makes quite a noticeable difference in the resistance? -Mike, GGR Community Manager
how to destroy your knees ,leg extensions
@@girlsdrinkfeck you’re right. That’s why they’re used as a knee rehab/prehab exercise
It's not a huuuuge difference but it's enough to make it a non zero weight at the start. :)
Girlsdrinkfek, obviously don't do it to a point where it is uncomfortable, but I find that scooting forward in the seat let's me comfortably get back further to allow it without any strain on my knees for my flexibility range.
@@girlsdrinkfeck if you’re egoing a leg extension sure but that’s just a dumb group of people 😂
Great review, I think he nailed all the pros and cons. I got this a year ago and it’s been great to have a leg extension and leg curl in a small footprint. It’s not a commercial piece, but it’s great for the home gym.
Question? Will it get the job done? Thank you 🖤
I place a 4x4 on the ground in front of the front feet and then drag a bench over for seated calf raises. Loaded it up to 325 and it holds up just fine.
You must of seen MC TITAN
Never heard of MC TITAN
If you put a 5-25lb plate on the stop pin for the weight arm it works better. It makes the starting weight higher. Also helps to get more ROM on extensions. Partner takes it off during the first rep and replaces it on the last.
I see that it's got pin holes all around the disc. If you wanted more resistance at the bottom you could pin it so that the weight arm is closer to horizontal. When the weight arm is vertical the first movement of the weight is forward (or backward), so it's not going against gravity so the resistance is minimized. When the weight arm is horizontal your lifting the entirety of the weight with no assistance from the weight arm.
Having said that, with the load moving through an arc like that it is indeed unavoidable that the resistance will vary throughout the ROM. But you could work 45 degrees below to 45 degrees above parallel to stay in the range that provides the most resistance.
Exactly I was just ready to suggest that….good job on you 👍🤛🏼 You could do negatives as well
@@HeCoversMe Well said. For a guy that does reviews, should know about this stuff.
Was gonna suggest the same
I really like GGR, but this review reminded me a little of the time he reviewed a Titan rack versus either a Rogue or Rep, where he didn't actually tighten any of the bolts on the Titan rack and shook it, talking about how it wasn't as stable as the welded racks. Like, yes, of course. But also, maybe tighten the bolts?
Exactly. I'm very surprised Coop overlooked this as it's something mentioned in other UA-cam reviews of this machine and clear from the design of the machine itself.
Coop try this for the resistance through ROM. Stack some stuff (ideally silencer pads) under the plates in the resting position so that the weight arm is at 45 degrees in the bottom position. This should make the resistance higher in the beginning, highest in the middle of the ROM, and then a bit lower when getting to full contraction.
I was thinking the same.
Show a video
They raised the price to $650 just a week ago. There goes that value score
$699 now.
how much was it before?
@@GoodByeSkyHarborLive way less. The titan belt squat is $1,000 now, and a few years ago it was $500, then $600.
You can perform standing leg curls, hip thrusts and also sit in front of the machine on a bench and use as a calf raise machine as well
You saw that video as well, I see. Yeah. With some creativity, this is really versatile.
@@vgman94 which video?
@@happyjunki3 ua-cam.com/video/czhbbRbSuO8/v-deo.html
I love plate loaded, especially since the beginning of the movement is where the risk of injury is highest
I actually attach mine to my titan low row part of the lat pull. Connect it with a chain collar, then added some wheels to it as well so i can wheel it in. Works great and makes it have fairly even resistance throughout
Thank you! That's what I was trying to find out. Good egg 👍
Got a link or pictures?
@@tcaseymilw yea Ill post a link here soon
If anyone is interested how this is setup i have a video I made about it:
ua-cam.com/video/s7zl-63WQ78/v-deo.html
@@tcaseymilw not the best but i tried XD ua-cam.com/video/s7zl-63WQ78/v-deo.html
The plate storage option is creative... wasn't expecting that!
The easier ROM at the beginner of the leg extension is actually a pro for me. The start of the ROM can cause knee pain so this works perfectly!
The the weight plates will offer the most resistance when it is moving vertically. Make bumpers in varied sizes that go on the stop pin. These bumpers would hold the resistance arm at a more optimal starting point, say 7:30 (on a clock face) so that vertical resistance is in play from the initial movement.
You can add a resistance band from the plate peg in the back to the foot pad… Feels really good!
If they can sell a leg attachment for the back support so that it can have a third function as an INVERSE CURL!! Would buy that yesterday!
I think my boy MC_TITAN is doing that on here with his, is that the same as a Nordic curl?
For me, I think that the first piece of equipment would be a modular power rack, the second a functional cable trainer, and the third (providing that I can do lat pull downs and low rows on the cables) might be a leg extension/ leg curl
the "budget" version of this would be what I have. A titan T3, a couple pulley systems I put on my rack for like 70 bucks, and a leg extension. The only thing I'm missing is the low rows.
Been waiting forever for this review thanks
great video as always. I have this piece, and I put (2) 5kg change plates on the stopper. This fixes that zero resistance at the bottom of the motion.
Nice review. I am waiting for V2 on this one
Coop might need to do another review when he actually figures out how to use it. I've seen a lot of guys who have owned it for a while and they seem to have figured out the pin position to have better resistance, ie not putting the pin at the very bottom.
agreed. He hardly used it in order to understand the tricks.
I’ve come to learn that GGR is not where I come to learn about certain products.
@@JoeyAme exactly...I reserved my knowledge for basement Brandon's videos. but Coop's reviews aren't too bad
You know it poet 😉
I was seriously just letting my wife know that something like this would be a perfect addition to our home gym. Perfect timing for this video.
It really does make a great accessory piece to any home gym. Makes leg day even more dreadfully fun 😂-Mike, GGR Community Manager
There is a guy who’s done a video called “ Titan Fitness Seated Leg Extension / Leg Curl Resistance Profile Fix + 2 Year Update” that shows what he’s done to resolve/work around the lack of resistance at the start of the movement you mention at about 5:20, I would’ve never of thought of it!!
I just cut off the stop pin for the top leg pad and it works perfectly i ground it smooth and touched it up with black paint you can now flip it forward and the other arm won't allow it to go far . Makes getting on and off 100 % better ! Just wanted to share my hack .
Heck yeah been waiting for this review for a while 🔥
Still waiting for your leg extension review …
@@franisdaman soooonn
Coop, you are an inspiration for all the glutes all around the world
Hey i claim coops glutes!!
Titan makes a beautiful hack machine and it's only $1000.
I love it.
Cool Coop's doing a whole Titan Series now. We don't have much Titan in our gym but we started our REP review series!
Hey Coop.. Try adding a linear shaped pad or rolled up towel under your hamstrings. This should lower the angle of the hip joint to the knee. This should solve the problem of not feeling resistance at the beginning of the leg extension exercise option. Hope that helps. Keep up the great content.
The means to increase weight in rom is to change the leverage. Have the mounting peg longer and extend our beyond where the kick pad is, meaning you’d be applying force to the short arm of the lever.
Literally the video I need. I’ve been window shopping this thing for two weeks at least trying to figure out if I should get it
And?
My gym is mostly Rogue but I do have a few pieces of Titan equipment with this being one of them. I was able to squeeze this in a space at 45deg that was pretty much unusable for anything. I can use 115 before the tail starts to lift off the floor without plates on it. You can adjust the weights to give you more resistance at the beginning of the movement.
Have you put more than 115 on it with the tail waited down? -Mike, GGR Community Manager
@@GarageGymReviews yes. 135 with a 45 on the tail and no problems. 180 and you can feel it get light but it doesn't rock. I believe it can also be bolted down. You can probably fit 180 on the tail and I would guess you could put almost any weight on the extension at that point
@Brad Lustig thank you I was just curious what you had tried. I think if you have 180 on the tail your right you could do whatever you can fit on there. -Mike, GGR Community Manager.
What would be awesome is for some of these companies to come up with a contraption that would level a portion of a sloping garage floor. I love my garage gym and this is the only pain-point for garage set up.
"War zone fitness" reviews this leg extension too and he shows how to fix the rom resistance problem. He swings the weight plate then pops the pin into place when the swinging weight is at a certain spot. Then you have resistance from the very beginning of movement
13:53 Great review but the math does not add up. The overall score should be 4.0, based on equal weighting of the eight component scores (13:41), which total 32. Dividing 32 by 8 yields 4. Are some component scores weighted more than others? Are there other component scores not shown here?
Don't install the pin that is keeping the weight from swinging and you can load up the ROM more. This has solved that problem. Also lift the seat up to highest position and face towards the seat and you can do single leg leg curls.
Awesome, we will have to try this idea out too. Having that more ROM made a big difference in the pump you get from using it? -Mike, GGR Community Manager
Coop, I saw your video about making concrete dumbells. What about making those hexagons first, then measure the weight (excess weight can be sanded off) , fill it with chemical anchor and a threaded rod. That way you can make adjustable dumbell set! Cheap and neat!
Just bought mine. Review is spot on in my opinion and I am glad I picked this up. It's a good buy in my opinion simply for the foot print and functionality.
If you push the arm into a bit higher starting position before you start the leg extension the lower resistance is a bit better, but it’s a pain to do when you’re already in the machine. I usually try to get my feet as far backwards as possible instead. It basically does the same thing.
The lack of resistance for both movements at the start of the rep is super easy to fix. Rather than the weight plates rest at the bottom against that pipe 'stop', if the plates were supported perhaps 4-6 inches up either side from the bottom resting position, then when you commence the contraction movement, the weight is already within the resistance range.
Jack the front up to increase the resistance at the start of the movement. The Higher = The Harder. Better still, Titan should build it more reclined.
Started using like $40 in cables and pulleys and a loading pin. String em up on the power rack and you can do pretty much any exercise you want!
Was buying some nice Urethane plates from a guy and he had this in his garage. I had been eyeing it for over a year. I asked to try it out and my experience validated everything I read about it. It’s a fantastic machine. Medical. My knees felt better with one set than they had in years.
It seems like a very cool piece to add in such a small space. With the weight stack versions of these in commercial gyms they're just too expensive to justify having them in a garage gym generally. I wonder if you said it next to a weight stack you have for something like lat pulldown or row you could just extend that cable and use that on the horn and it would probably take care of quite a bit of that early free travel the plate loaded variety has.
I would personally love to have one of these in my garage gym just to be able to go over and get a pump in the thighs or hamstring two or three times a day.
Coop! I've literally been waiting for you to review this piece that's been so obviously lurking around the background of all your other home gym videos. So glad you did! Love this piece. One point you didn't touch on is the camber angle can be finessed to perform similarly to primes leg curl leg extension using the various laser cut holes.
Please do a review on all of Prime Fitness's various new generation cavle attachments!!!! The world will thank you.
I appreciate all that you do Coop, you truly are revolutionizing the way fitness has been evolving and I think many may not recognize that but I thank you for your reviews man!
I put a 25 lb plate on the stopping pin which raises the starting point of the weight arm. That great increases the resistance at the bottom because the starting point is closer to parallel to the floor.
The weight horn portion needs to start at a slight angle forward (10 degrees or so) and the leg pad needs to be offset backwards by about 10 degrees. That would make it so you get tension through the full ROM. At least for the leg extension portion. If that doesn’t make sense, let me know. I can draw it out.
Been waiting for this for months let’s gooo
Man, all these machines look so sleek and nice. I'm a scaffolder by profession and I happen to own some welding gear, so everything in my gym is just built from scrap pieces of scaffolding. They look like random piles of junk, but thanks to my job I've saved a couple thousand dollars. Still, I'm probably gonna sell all this stuff in the future for pennies and invest in something that also looks good...
That is awesome, you have made your own stuff. Feel free to send us some pictures on Instagram or Facebook. Would love to see your DIY projects. -Mike, GGR Community Manager.
If I were a manufacturer, I’d start looking at utilizing a magnet through the first portion of the ROM to increase resistance through a certain point, then end the magnetic resistance, and transfer to the plate load on the rest of the rom
I put chains on mine to give me the weight on the bottom end that I needed. Made the weight even throughout the movement
Definitely movements that are missing from my home gym workouts. Really like this piece but agree it's like the "last" piece to add if I have space left.
You could compare this with the prime version just for the fun of really seeing all the differences between budget vs premium.
Way around the resistance issue - connect a cable machine (I have a freemotion cable crossover) to the weight peg in addition to the plates. Make sure the cable is perfectly in line with the bottom of the leg extension/curl movement and I typically put the same weight on the cable stack as the plate (45 lb plate and 45 lb cable stack) to even out the resistance. Cable pulls at the bottom of the movement to give you resistance at the bottom and then at the top when the cable isn’t as much resistance the plate has max resistance with gravity. I use an ankle cuff and a plate collar to attach the cable to the weight peg and secure the plate/cable. Hope that helps/makes sense!
@Joseph Earhart I am going to have to try this for sure. You have tried it this way. Did it seem more like a selectorized version at a commercial gym?- Mike, GGR Community Manager.
@@GarageGymReviews yes I own the valor fitness CC4 (similar to the titan) and use leg extensions and curls this way for training. If I want to emphasize the shortened position on leg extensions I will add more weight in plates than the cable so it is harder at the top but still smoother than weight plates alone without the cable, and if I want to emphasize the more lengthen quad position at the start of the movement I’ll make the cable heavier than the weight plates. Similar logic with the leg curl as well. Makes for a decent substitute for commercial leg ext/curls. Not as good as a prime leg curl/extension but for my tiny space it works.
You could possibly set the pin to have the seated Leg Curl start in a higher position, or- to have it in a further back position for the leg extension
Yes, More machines reviews please
Coming!
On these types of machines, the solution to the resistance throughout the ROM was to have multiple weight horns at different points, usually 3.
Or, set it with a slightly exaggerated range of motion
Coop! Can you please do a review of the Yukon version of this?
What I'd love to see you review: Rackable Leg Curl/Extension devices: Titan vs Bells of Steel vs Bullet Proof Fitnesses Isolator. What's the best isolated leg attachment for a rack? Titan's is $550, BOS is $400, and Bullet Proof Fitness's Isolator is $900 (when not on sale). Yes the BPF Isolator does a lot more, but you're paying twice the price. Also for this kind of attachment, they all seem to be around 70-80lbs which is a bit odd for what's supposed to be a removable attachment for a rack... anyway that's my rant and am sure that this comparison would be a popular video and a fun one for you!
Been waiting on this review!
Hoist bench with leg attachment is fire, solid pro gym level equipment
Great review! Got it ordered just before the $100 price increase last week following the vid!
would like to see a review of the titan dual shoulder press/lateral raise. keep these coming.
I was the exactly 1,000th like on this video. It's a good day.
Great to see how small of a footprint it has, definitely want to pick this up for my small home gym.
They raised the price by a hundred dollars
@@kick-SpedMike good thing I’m not broke
There are other brands that allow you to choose the starting position for the weight arm. So for leg extensions you can have the weight arm extended up at the start of the motion which improves the amount of resistance at the start of the rep.
@Brett Duce do you have one you prefer? We may do a round-up and I want to add the best one's to the list. -Mike, GGR Community Manager
If it locked at the 8 and 4 o clock positions respectively it would have resistance the entire way vice the 6 o clock position
As a watch guy, I always like the close up scenes where we can see Coop's Seamaster!
It's probably the Titan version. The C-Master. 😉
They are currently not shipping until January but, I'd like to see you do a review of the Yukon Leg & Core machine. It does Leg curls both seated & prone, leg extensions, ab crunch & back extensions for $599. I'm really interested in it but I've only seen one person's short written review of it. It looks like it could be a great deal if it does all the things it says it does...& does them half decently. It really needs a review by Coop.👍
I'm interested in this as well. I read the one review and Yukon's videos are a bit awful haha.
Coop, Macgyver a cable pull attachment to the loading arm.
Its reverse of optimal force for rom. Muscles are the strongest at the beginning
Perfect timing, I was just looking into buying one of these.
I used to run a commercial gym and with this being plate loaded I was skeptical. Then I used it and I like this piece overall. -Mike, GGR Community Manager.
Very Schnell inspired. This German company designed this machine in late sixties or so. They were built so well that they are still in use and sought after
coop you can't just fart on the machine for 15 minutes and call it a review
I wonder who would do that! Lol
@@ShawntreezyBreezy funny how I told my wife last night I wanted this machine for Xmas based on your review, and now coop releases a review video today.
@@ShawntreezyBreezy
You a fool Titan haha you explained why you dont do full reviews, he must not of kept watching you 👊
@@franisdaman
I knew Coop would eventually do this so I just had fun with mine. I got a new one on this uploading showing all you can do. It was destiny for him to do this and me do mine today. 👊
if the plates were raised like 30 degrees, you would start with some resistance and the peak 90° would be slightly before the top end.
i don't know how to explain it but i hope someone gets the point
I actually have the same suggestion, maybe 45 degrees or 50 start angle. Kinda frustrating he didnt mention it.
You can greatly increase the weight at the bottom of the extensions by adjusting which hole the pin is at the start point. Revisit and think. You can do it Coop
You just have to adjust the pin to where the arm is forward of where it would normally be at the bottom. Then you have to wedge yourself in under the weight or have a buddy hold it up while you get in place.
They have upped the price from $550 to $700 since this video .. at this point I’m really thinking twice about buying it now
not worth 700
I feel like you could also use this as a standing leg curl if you kept the weight arm in the front leg extension position and lean over the thigh pad. Then you could grip the handles or possibly the back of the seat.
Imagine you could also finagle rear delt flys or modified high rows by leaning over the weight arm. Possibly lateral raises if you either sit on the floor or on some kind of block/pad if you need a bit of added height to get better ROM.
Obviously none of these things would be ideal, especially for a taller person, but if all you have is a rack and this machine it might be able to add a few more options to your workouts
just a thought, but if they added a handle to the top of the of where you load plates, you could adjust the foot part to easily be further back, then pull back with the arm handle, and get feet in. that would allow more resistance at the start. personally this wouldn't even be a factor to judge on unless they make something that's perfect in nearly the same price bracket.
potentially have a stop the weight is always at minimum at a 90 degree angle to the back or to the front, then have some form of a quick connect for an inset to decide where on the pole you want to put the weight, nice and up close, or further away... would it increase the space it takes up... when in use yes, but they could have a neutral straight up position for when it's not in use. it would greatly add to the total weight of resistance, while making sure you can easily get your legs in to position safely.
Perfect timing!
This is definitely an area that companies need to focus on. I would think they would make something that can go on a rogue cage that works with a pulley system.
Resistance would be way better if the plates started higher.
You can easily remedy this issue by starting with the plates resting on a small stool to create a more perpendicular lever arm at the start of the range of motion.
It's not rocket science, but obviously, the chap that runs this channel isn't particularly bright.
Fix resistance by setting the plates on a box so the lever arm is more hoizontal at the start of the rep
As far as resistance at the bottom of the movement on Leg Ext. Could you build a platform to put under the front? Move it to the back for Curls? Certainly NOT convenient, but a possible solution?
We need to see Titan vs Valor vs Archon plate loaded tower pulley. Most home gym guys use these for cable systems and we need to know which is best as some are double the price of others.
HAVE YOU EVER REVIEWED THE POWERTEC MULTISTATION WORK BENCH AND IF NOT CAN YOU. PLEASE AND THANK YOU.
It's interesting when you discuss ROM / Range of motion for this. Actually better on the knees when resistance starts off low (weakest part). Very expensive pieces like the Thrive and Prime have options to start the resistance low by design.
I would think they could add some sort of stop pin so that the plate does not drop to a vertical at the start of the rep.
Wish there was a company like Titan in the UK
You should do a calf machine next bro
Can you connect it to a cable pulley to get a similar effect to a pin loaded?
Tried it and it doesn't work. The cable has to wrap around the full laser cut circle to have the same effect as a weight stack. if you draw a circle and dot draw a straight line through the circle to the other side. That second point of where the line is perpendicular to the other side is a dead zone of no resistance since they technically reach the same point. If that makes any sense lol.
you can probably also do kickbacks on it
I have the XMark version. Pretty similar. You can adjust the bottom position of the leg ext so that you start a little farther back and then the "play" section is less. I also took out the pin that separates the leg ext from the leg curl and it makes adjusting it easier. Mine the knee pad comes off then you slide in and reattach it. The ankle pad on mine doesn't move as much. You might want to check out the XMark version
@Ron T we may do a round-up of these pieces thank you for the suggestion. I'm adding it to the list. How long have you had it? No issues with it? -Mike, GGR Community Manager
@@GarageGymReviews I've had it for about 6-8 months I believe. No issues. It's solid. Can't use it right now I'm looking at hip replacement surgery soon but it will be getting it's use when I get into my rehab and beyond
@Ron T thank you for the input and suggestion. Hoping a speed recovery for you.
@@GarageGymReviews I actually did a short review on it when I first got it.
ua-cam.com/video/lr7Sh_ZF0sE/v-deo.html Since then I removed the pin for the weight arm
@@ront2457 they allow you to lift heavy with replacement? i thought it was no more than 25 lbs.
The issue you're referring to at 5:38 onwards about there being little/no resistance at the start & too much in the end range can be resolved by simply putting weight plates on a low stool so the lever arm on the machine is more perpendicular to gravity at the start, then pulling the pin out & adjusting the pad so it fits snug against shins.
I have a similar machine at home & it creates a better resistance profile than many expensive leg extensions you see in commercial gyms.
How could you not have figured that out?
Would you be able to share a picture of what you mean?
Have you tried elevating the front? Putting a plate underneath. Creating an incline
Would love. To see a review for the prime leg curl\ ext combo