Thankyou for all your comments so far folks. Regarding the glare issue, I've just posted a quick update video HERE: ua-cam.com/video/qQ4cnbjVttk/v-deo.html
Hello, i was going for the pimax 12kk to change my old reverb g2, but honestly, the more day i watch youtube videos, the more the Beyond seems the right choice, even cause i alredy have the steam base from the old htc vive.... What do you suggest? Beyond or wait for pimax 12k?
I noticed now the other video of comparison lol. I think i will go on the beyond, we are talking of 183 gram versus more than 1 kg.... and the fact night time will be so incredible, wow... I don't think the glare will be a big deal for me, i come from a g2, and i was okay with the quest 2 glaring so.... The only issue will be eye tracking, but the 5090 is coming so.... Yeah, i will order the bigscreen now.
I just sent in my facial scan! Anxiously awaiting my Beyond. I think some VR consumers get so caught up in specs and fov, that they forget about comfort and enjoying the overall experience. With no light leakage from the custom made facial gasket, our eyes will adjust to the light levels, so the brightness level is actually controlled by our eyes moreso than the oleds. I play DCS and when I'm dogfighting in VR in any other headset, they'll move and the image quality and fov means exactly nothing until I can reposition the headset. By then, I'm normally shot down, ruining the whole deal. My .02
This is exactly why I am buying one. DCS and sim racing, and possibly watching movies.. I am not sure I think that will be better than a movie theater or my own 7.2 home theater setup.. but I would imagine for those times when I cant use my loud speaker system, a good set of headphones and this might work really well.
Thanks very much Steve for sharing this! Very promising. I'm considering buying the BSB. 1. This HMD has no eye-tracking however. I'm wondering how this affects the framerate compared to the Aero for instance. 2. How do you experience the BSB sharpness compared to the Aero at 39PPD setting? 3. In your review of 2 months ago you were quite negative about the lack of ventilation of the BSB. Did you change your mind?
GIve this a go in space sim please like Elite dangerous or Squadrons etc. Curious how well the OLED performs in the darkness of space. My reverb G2 black levels are horrible for space sims.
Patiently waiting for my February Pre-order. As a valve index user this seems like a perfect replacement. Hopping to have mine sometime in 2023 if I'm one of the lucky few.
I would want one for sure. But Im not in favor of installing base stations around my PC. If an Inside Out Tracking version was made, I would buy it in an instant.
If they made an inside out tracking one, it would double the weight (which in most consumers opinions is alright, but BS has said that it's not in their philosophy to do so)
Finally, a sponsor message that doesn't take up 1/3 of the video, sound ridiculous or at completely irrelevant. Thanks for that dude. I want one of those but it will have to wait for now.
@@VRFlightSimGuy At the price, you really can't fall off. I just wish I could afford a new headset that wasn't controlled by Meta because I'm not letting Zuck tell me what i can do with the stuff I paid for.
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 01:52 😌 Bigscreen Beyond is the most comfortable VR headset due to its lightweight design, making it ideal for extended use. 03:03 🌈 The headset features a micro OLED display with high resolution, delivering stunning colors and visuals. 04:17 🌃 The OLED screen excels in providing deep black levels, enhancing nighttime experiences in VR. 05:25 🖼️ Bigscreen Beyond offers exceptional image quality with minimal mura (pixel inconsistencies) and no screen door effect. 07:18 🎙️ It features an outstanding microphone, making it a great choice for content creators. Made with HARPA AI
I'm using the resolution of my 4k monitor and the distance I'm watching from! The angle of field of view for my monitor is 41 degrees. that means I have 93 pixels of resolution per degree! For me, this is the standard! This VR set can present 32 pixels per degree of field of view according to the manufacturer. That's not enough for mee! It's almost as if I have a 1080p monitor instead of 4k in 31.5 coll, which would be a huge quality loss on my part! Of course, the feeling of freedom must compensate, and at first I'm fascinated by the fact that I can turn my head and look where I want in the game, but I'll notice the bugs later on and it will start to annoy me! I know, I know myself. I will not compromise on image quality! When one of the VR sets reaches 90 pixels per degree resolution, I'll see what I can buy. Until then I'll wait for the next generation!
Interesting! Maybe I shouldn’t have listened to all the reviews as I purchased the Crystal lol! Fyi… My VR Rock lenses for the Crystal cause a bad warp and distort the view terribly. Unusable, just like their lenses for my G2, which kept falling off.
I never like vr Rock lense because their lense is too far away from vr headset lense and i end loosing fov. Honsvr is cheaper and bettet but VR Lens Lab got the best eye comfort option
Looks good! I'm sold! All I need is something to cruise around with whether its in a Cessna or an A320. You can even sip a cup of tea while wearing it I'm sure. Ha! As a beginner I have to set everything up on my PC...a system build from about 2 yrs ago dedicated for MSFS... and get into it again.
Sorry maybe dumb question... but what kind of graphics card do you need to run this? I'm just asking because I would consider getting this next year for my Son and would want it to work well for him. Thanks!
I have a RTX 3080 . Will it run smoothly on my PC. Frame rate? How about set up for my PC. Have not purchased a headset yet Watched you for years. You are full of great videos.. Also you are very likeable.
Where can one buy some of your enthusiasm for life? Or is it infectious just from watching (and liking) your content? 😅 Great vid Steve, others have already mentioned, but I too would be interested in an Aero V BSB review when you get some time👏
The crystal is an awesome headset during the day. At night when it's pitch black it looks like you're looking through foggy goggles because of the blooming which is something I wish someone would have said before I bought the headset.
When people mention the blooming, are they referring specifically to flying at night in a flight sim, or when generally wearing the headset in the evening when the ambient light in the room will likely be a lot lower? If it's the former I don't mind because I'm not really bothered about flying in the dark, but if it's the latter then it's definitely a problem for me, because I'm most likely to use the headset late in the evenings.
Dude! Your videos are just the best! Nobody else does Flight Sim justice in VR like you do. Thank you so much for sharing. I have a BB on pre-order and just got my face scan email the other day. Your videos make me froth at the mouth in anticipation of its delivery. :)
@@VRFlightSimGuy You are very welcome. For every stupid troll there are 1000 people who appreciate your content. I just wish we weren't all so quiet. Because the trolls are very loud. ;)
@@tkdmp5698 I did get it and had to return it so they can change my IPD which was too wide. About 15% of people have that issue. So I'm holding my review until I get it back. But man! It's small! LOL
I'm sure it's rad but pimax crystal has ruined me after I got the apache strap and 200g counterweight. I'd love to try the beyond but I'm out of cash and plenty happy for now.
As far as resolution is concerned; how would you say this perform for DCS spotting, zooming or otherwise objects in the distance for sake of visual ID of aircraft etc? Great series thank you
i still kept my CV1 just for the OLED screen. Even tho i use the 8kx now, i still miss the oled screen. For example i can't play elite dangerous in 8kx cause of the LCD. I am curious how the BigScreen compares with the 12k pimax
It's 1.379€ here. And that's without any controllers or base stations. It's simply too expensive for what it offers in the long run. Personally, I'm patently waiting for something to replace the G2 at a reasonable price, with tracking included. Something
Pretty interesting. After using the Reverb i realized how much more valuable comfort and ease of use is compared to resolution claims. Im sick of the clunky headset, the cable is way too annoying for me and ive spent more hours fiddeling with the headset that actually playing a game with it. Ill definitely look at more reviews of this one.
The cable was pretty annoying for me with Reverb G2 V2, but I bought a pulley cable management system (not Kiwi, even cheaper one, I have a very small room) and it doesn't bother me anymore. It's a huge difference. Even when playing seated it's so much more comfortable if cable doesn't pull on your headset and you don't need to be careful to not damage your cable with your chair. As for the standing experience, I can crouch easily, and in theory I can even lay down, but the cable pulls on the headset then, but I have no issues if I need to temporaly lower my head almost to the floor level for some reason. I'm curiously looking at Beyond mostly for the comfort, as very light hmd with perfect fit (my nose isn't perfect for G2) would be great. Investing money into Valve's base stations and controllers wouldn't be so great, though, so I'll wait a few years for some more impressive headsets.
It's more obvious with this headset because it's so small and because if you think about it, my face moves when I'm talking, causing the headset to move. You don't notice this in VR.
Hey Steve I am going to become the devil's advocate and say this : You had a very strong and positive opinion on the Crystal and your earlier reviews of BSB to me came across as "yeah it's very comfortable but image quality is not comparable to the crystal" - what changed ? :) - you are awesome and this comment by no means is to cast doubt on your valuable opinions. on a side note - now that the Crystal has DFR and eye tracking have you considered moving back to native resolution? - thanks as always - Kam
I had it and headset is great, but the eye relief is so small, it’s unusable for most. It’s like looking through soda straws while trying to keep the headset in the right position so you can see the screens. Great form factor, but totally unusable… then they charge you $200 to send it back! Heads up I do not recommend this headset for simming
The Beyond will be the first headset I get, unless a better one with the same or similar size releases. I wish I could spend less money, but I already have scoliosis, and a brick bringing my head forwards won't help. I'll still have to buy the base stations and controllers :(
All very well. But the technology is STILL too expensive, is still a pain to set up and is still nowhere near attracting a large enough market to cut the price. Most people do not enjoy the claustrophobia, the flaky quality control, the annoying glare and the poor field of view, plus the need to additionally buy ridiculously expensive GPUs to make it worthwhile and yet again this headset is producing a jerky image. All these reasons explain why a tiny minority bother with VR. For the same price you could have three large 2d HDR monitors without all the faff.
I sim race..... how does this compare to the Pimax and the Vero for sim racing with respect to clarity, sharpness and graphics? I can deal with the lesser FOV personally but curious if anyone is able to chime in.
And what are the 6 reasons why Bigscreen Beyond is terrribleeeee lol. Let me guess: 1. FOV sucks 2. No headphone sucks 3. No DFR sucks 4. No auto IPD adj sucks 5. Low refesh rate sucks 6. Low nits sucks
Zero Lamborghini Muira. Great stuff! It better be amazing for 1000 dollars. In the grand scheme of things and waste, coupled with escapism from reality, that's not too shabby. (Liquid cooled Suoercharged PCs for all. I should buy a real airplane by now.)
I’m really lost on what to do will for my g2 upgrade. Tried the Pimax crystal and had a lot of issues with horizontal lines so I returned it. Thinking new XR4, but it’s a lot of $. I like the idea of the small size, not sure I like the idea of base stations. Would I be happy with the clarity of this? Used for msfs and dcs?
Hey question for you since ur one of the few that tests very high end headsets, how far along of the way there would you say a quest 3 or pico neo 3 link is compared to let say a varjo aero or big screen? I only do PCVR simracing. Im guessing it's quite a bit better, but wondering if it's that much better that i'd want to pay 3x the price for it (obviously that part is subjective to me).
This is exactly what I have predicted. A wired but very light weight comfortable and small VR headset with insane graphics. That stupid wireless standalone headset will never be able to achieve this. For those of us who play VR games sitting, not standing. This new VR headset is the goat.
I would say oposite, if i had one big headset and one small headset, and i had to choose, i would choose the small for standing and the big for sitting. Surely it’s obvious
Have you let your other half try it? It would be great if the faceplate was detachable so that others could also use it with their own 'scanned' faceplate (say couples, friends or families). Would you agree that BSB could offer this to open up their market from solo users to those that want to share the VR experience 🤔
it is detachable. you will be able to order addition face plates for other users in your family. They need the same IPD or similar of course. because the IPD is fixed when you order. .
I'll be so interested to hear your impressions of the Somnium VR1 once you get hands on it! The things that have kept me from getting the Beyond: small FOV, lack of adjustability, lack of off-ear audio, lack of eye tracking. I understand the audio strap might offer the ability to adjust the drivers to hover over the ears, but is that strap even available yet?
If this truly requires base stations like the Valve Index, this headset is not for me, no matter how good it is. i do only SIM racing games. Also I do have a Valve Index, but hardly use it anymore. But thanks for the review.
You sound pretty impressed by the BB Headset, lol. I still have my 8KX and STILL have intermittent glitchy problems and getting software running with it! I bought the 8KX so I could get to use a good headset and wait to the 12K with the Pimax upgrade program is released. QUESTION: Is the BB headset much more suited to plug and play… for dummies like me of course! Do you recommend buying the BB now and selling the 8KX… OR… wait longer for the 12K, believing it will be much much easier to use? THANKS FOR YOUR TIME (again) Michael 🇦🇺
4 months later but I will reply anyway. If pimax software is working as easy as you would like and they still don't fix it ,is there a reason to believe that it is gonna get better?
If it had eye tracking for dynamic Foveated rendering I’d have bought it but I went with the Varjo aero instead. Wondering if I made the wrong choice as my choice of games doesn’t seem to take much advantage of eye tracking and DFV.
Are controllers not necessary to use this with flight sims? I notice they don't offer any on their site. With my Rift S, the only reason I need a controller is to set the floor level and draw the Guardian boundary that's required before I can use it. I take there's no such requirement with the Beyond?
The best of Micro Oled display is without SDE = Mosquito net. But the worst of Micro Oled display is the price . Dual Micro oled panels of BB about 500$ to 900$, so I suspend they have not some interrest.
So the question, Crystal or BSB for DCS and IL2 lol. Too many good options atm with the Aero price drop, getting analysis paralysis. The BSB size is huge thing for me as I prefer my own headphones over the built it stuff anyway and my Quest Pro moves around as is in a dogfight, can't imagine the Crystal.
i have reverb g2 v2 which is better pimax crystal or bigscreen beyond and is there a big jump from the reverb g2 to a big csreen beyond or pimax crystal for mfs only cheers
FI, I'm seriously looking at a Quest 3, as I would like to dip my feet into MR and its possible use for real button sim cockpits, also it has excellent optics from the Pro, wide eye box (edge to edge clarity), similar resolution to the G2, support for the new streaming codecs, as I have a 4090 and of course ..price. Are you looking at getting one for review? @@VRFlightSimGuy
I'm thinking what can be the issue about OLED screen and why other are not using them. This VR looks interesting for simulators, it doesn't have controllers and this is a negative point. What software does it use? Is it a good software? What's its FOV?
Isn’t the video shown in this review via PC video capture? It wouldn’t matter if the headset being worn was an Oculus Go it would have the same quality shown in this review. These aren’t filmed with a camera in headset showing what an actual eye would see. Of course using a camera in any headset, even some multi-million dollar headset would massively degrade the quality, but there should be an overlay or lower thirds title or something saying this is not actual video from the headset. Every audio description in this video does not apply to the video we’re actually seeing other than comments about size and weight. I’m sure the quality is great but don’t pass this off as actual video of what’s seen on the OLED screens even if what the eye sees in the headset is better than what UA-cam could deliver. Since there’s an affiliate link this is akin to false advertising.
So when you watch a car review, are you also going to complain that you don't feel like you are in that car? Or maybe you should listen to what I'm saying, since that's what of value. Also, watch my full review where I go through everything, including the things I don't like. This video is literally about the 6 things I DO like. So you've completely missed the point of this video and wasted my time having to explain this to you...
All the reviewers of this seem to forget about the existence of the Arpara, which has same resolution micro-OLED screens as the Beyond (heck, could be the same screens, how many manufacturers are there for tiny 2560x2560 micro-OLED screens?) It's not a GOOD headset by any means, so many problems, but it's been around, kinda, for something like a year by now.
I just ordered a Quest 3, but do catch myself wondering if I should have got this instead. Granted, the Quest 3 has controllers and does standalone and AR, but the big screen has (apparently) the most beautiful image quality thanks to the high resolution OLED displays. If the big screen beyond was wireless wifi 6 and had its own self-tracking controllers, it would be a no brainer for me.
@@cecielhelder5923well, actually every people who tried it told that it is amazingly surprising. The screens seems to be (and it is a surprise) OLEDs screens. And the lenses are of very good quality
Just started looking at VR headsets so the timing is great! One question. Do you get a sense of "depth" looking at two screens? I assume the picture is the same on each screen? OK, two questions!))
The picture is not the same on the screens - the viewpoints are shifted a little and a separate image is rendered on both screens for each eye. That's how you get depth perception in VR and in reality - each eye gets a slightly different image and the brain interprets the differences..
@@martf3129 Yes, VR is stereo, like a Viewmaster reel. Looking out the right window downward, you almost want to hold on to something to keep from falling. But after awhile that sense of vertigo fear goes away. Just like when someone is first learning to fly from an instructor in a small plane.
How does night time look on Quest3? I have the Quest 2 but have talked myself into upgrading to a 3. But now, even though I don't VR a lot in war sims online, I'm wondering if I should wait.
Flying above Belgium. Not much payware airports there besides Antwerp, Brussels and few very good freeware ones lile my home airport EBZR... watching your video before flying mt brand new TBM-850
The VR hardware manufacturers need to address the micro vibrations. In real life, we don't have the micro jittering in our vision. Like you see at 5:16
Thankyou for all your comments so far folks. Regarding the glare issue, I've just posted a quick update video HERE: ua-cam.com/video/qQ4cnbjVttk/v-deo.html
Thanks for the update.
Hello, i was going for the pimax 12kk to change my old reverb g2, but honestly, the more day i watch youtube videos, the more the Beyond seems the right choice, even cause i alredy have the steam base from the old htc vive....
What do you suggest? Beyond or wait for pimax 12k?
I noticed now the other video of comparison lol.
I think i will go on the beyond, we are talking of 183 gram versus more than 1 kg.... and the fact night time will be so incredible, wow...
I don't think the glare will be a big deal for me, i come from a g2, and i was okay with the quest 2 glaring so....
The only issue will be eye tracking, but the 5090 is coming so....
Yeah, i will order the bigscreen now.
This is definitely the future of VR technology. In 20 years from now there will not be a VR headset that is larger than the Bigscreen beyond.
There will. But they will insert us in the matrix
That’s because there won’t be VR headsets any more instead they will be VR glasses.
in 20 years i think we all gonna live in a VR life if we want it or not
@Virago25 I would say that is going to happen (smaller format) in 5 years.
@@nerolowell2320nah
I just sent in my facial scan! Anxiously awaiting my Beyond. I think some VR consumers get so caught up in specs and fov, that they forget about comfort and enjoying the overall experience. With no light leakage from the custom made facial gasket, our eyes will adjust to the light levels, so the brightness level is actually controlled by our eyes moreso than the oleds. I play DCS and when I'm dogfighting in VR in any other headset, they'll move and the image quality and fov means exactly nothing until I can reposition the headset. By then, I'm normally shot down, ruining the whole deal. My .02
This is exactly why I am buying one. DCS and sim racing, and possibly watching movies.. I am not sure I think that will be better than a movie theater or my own 7.2 home theater setup.. but I would imagine for those times when I cant use my loud speaker system, a good set of headphones and this might work really well.
The form factor sounds incredible. I use the 8kx and its so big and uncomfortable and also makes me very sweaty. But i also like a big FOV
Right there with you! Hope that the bsb will compel someone to make a wide fov headset in the same small form factor.
Thanks very much Steve for sharing this! Very promising. I'm considering buying the BSB.
1. This HMD has no eye-tracking however. I'm wondering how this affects the framerate compared to the Aero for instance.
2. How do you experience the BSB sharpness compared to the Aero at 39PPD setting?
3. In your review of 2 months ago you were quite negative about the lack of ventilation of the BSB. Did you change your mind?
Did you have an answer considering framerate ?
Unfortunately not yet.
GIve this a go in space sim please like Elite dangerous or Squadrons etc. Curious how well the OLED performs in the darkness of space. My reverb G2 black levels are horrible for space sims.
Try quest pro?
Patiently waiting for my February Pre-order. As a valve index user this seems like a perfect replacement. Hopping to have mine sometime in 2023 if I'm one of the lucky few.
same
I had it and sent it back… cost me $200 in re-stock fees. Just buy a quest3
@@Vr-pits-simulationwhat didn't you like about it?
Are you no longer bothered by the “glare” you were noticing when you first had the headset?
Please see the pinned comment, thanks for watching :)
Yea, how dare you expect special treatment. Get back in line human.
I would want one for sure. But Im not in favor of installing base stations around my PC. If an Inside Out Tracking version was made, I would buy it in an instant.
If they made an inside out tracking one, it would double the weight (which in most consumers opinions is alright, but BS has said that it's not in their philosophy to do so)
Finally, a sponsor message that doesn't take up 1/3 of the video, sound ridiculous or at completely irrelevant.
Thanks for that dude. I want one of those but it will have to wait for now.
Thanks buddy appreciated!
@@VRFlightSimGuy At the price, you really can't fall off. I just wish I could afford a new headset that wasn't controlled by Meta because I'm not letting Zuck tell me what i can do with the stuff I paid for.
Nice my friend!
now that the Aero and BSB are both $1000 I think you should do a direct comparison vid between the two :)
Great idea thankyou
@@VRFlightSimGuyI too am chomping at the bit because I'm about to buy one and don't know which I should choose.
@@LaTerata You and me both. I keep flipping between Crystal (pimax and size bugs me), BSB, and Aero (both of which FOV might be an issue). ARRRG
Thanks for the update! How are you feeling about the glare? Does it still bother you?
My pleasure, glare is still an issue for sure. (see pinned comment). Thanks for watching!
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation:
01:52 😌 Bigscreen Beyond is the most comfortable VR headset due to its lightweight design, making it ideal for extended use.
03:03 🌈 The headset features a micro OLED display with high resolution, delivering stunning colors and visuals.
04:17 🌃 The OLED screen excels in providing deep black levels, enhancing nighttime experiences in VR.
05:25 🖼️ Bigscreen Beyond offers exceptional image quality with minimal mura (pixel inconsistencies) and no screen door effect.
07:18 🎙️ It features an outstanding microphone, making it a great choice for content creators.
Made with HARPA AI
I'm using the resolution of my 4k monitor and the distance I'm watching from! The angle of field of view for my monitor is 41 degrees. that means I have 93 pixels of resolution per degree! For me, this is the standard! This VR set can present 32 pixels per degree of field of view according to the manufacturer. That's not enough for mee! It's almost as if I have a 1080p monitor instead of 4k in 31.5 coll, which would be a huge quality loss on my part!
Of course, the feeling of freedom must compensate, and at first I'm fascinated by the fact that I can turn my head and look where I want in the game, but I'll notice the bugs later on and it will start to annoy me! I know, I know myself. I will not compromise on image quality! When one of the VR sets reaches 90 pixels per degree resolution, I'll see what I can buy. Until then I'll wait for the next generation!
Interesting! Maybe I shouldn’t have listened to all the reviews as I purchased the Crystal lol!
Fyi… My VR Rock lenses for the Crystal cause a bad warp and distort the view terribly. Unusable, just like their lenses for my G2, which kept falling off.
I never like vr Rock lense because their lense is too far away from vr headset lense and i end loosing fov. Honsvr is cheaper and bettet but VR Lens Lab got the best eye comfort option
Weird I have the VR-Rock lenses in my quest pro and they work great.
I thought you gonna update if glare still bothers you or not?
Glare is still an issue for sure. (see pinned comment). Thanks for watching!
Looks good! I'm sold! All I need is something to cruise around with whether its in a Cessna or an A320. You can even sip a cup of tea while wearing it I'm sure. Ha! As a beginner I have to set everything up on my PC...a system build from about 2 yrs ago dedicated for MSFS... and get into it again.
I have had my eye on these.... things are definitely intriguing
Sorry maybe dumb question... but what kind of graphics card do you need to run this? I'm just asking because I would consider getting this next year for my Son and would want it to work well for him. Thanks!
I have a RTX 3080 . Will it run smoothly on my PC. Frame rate? How about set up for my PC. Have not purchased a headset yet Watched you for years. You are full of great videos.. Also you are very likeable.
Thankyou I really appreciate that Ron. Yes, I'd say the 3080ti will be ok with the Beyond.
Where can one buy some of your enthusiasm for life? Or is it infectious just from watching (and liking) your content? 😅 Great vid Steve, others have already mentioned, but I too would be interested in an Aero V BSB review when you get some time👏
Thanks buddy, your comments always make me smile :) Great suggestion, I have a video on Sunday that talks about this.
There is one other headset with micro oled on the market. The Arpara 5K. Don't bother with it, it sucks for many many reasons.
The crystal is an awesome headset during the day. At night when it's pitch black it looks like you're looking through foggy goggles because of the blooming which is something I wish someone would have said before I bought the headset.
When people mention the blooming, are they referring specifically to flying at night in a flight sim, or when generally wearing the headset in the evening when the ambient light in the room will likely be a lot lower? If it's the former I don't mind because I'm not really bothered about flying in the dark, but if it's the latter then it's definitely a problem for me, because I'm most likely to use the headset late in the evenings.
Dude! Your videos are just the best! Nobody else does Flight Sim justice in VR like you do. Thank you so much for sharing. I have a BB on pre-order and just got my face scan email the other day. Your videos make me froth at the mouth in anticipation of its delivery. :)
Thankyou so much! In a world full of trolls, comments like this keep me going.
@@VRFlightSimGuy You are very welcome. For every stupid troll there are 1000 people who appreciate your content. I just wish we weren't all so quiet. Because the trolls are very loud. ;)
@@stephanehamel7109 Thanks mate 🙏
Did you get it?
Did you like it?
@@tkdmp5698 I did get it and had to return it so they can change my IPD which was too wide. About 15% of people have that issue. So I'm holding my review until I get it back. But man! It's small! LOL
I'm sure it's rad but pimax crystal has ruined me after I got the apache strap and 200g counterweight. I'd love to try the beyond but I'm out of cash and plenty happy for now.
Crystal is amazing, congrats.
@@VRFlightSimGuy thanks! :)
As far as resolution is concerned; how would you say this perform for DCS spotting, zooming or otherwise objects in the distance for sake of visual ID of aircraft etc? Great series thank you
i still kept my CV1 just for the OLED screen. Even tho i use the 8kx now, i still miss the oled screen. For example i can't play elite dangerous in 8kx cause of the LCD. I am curious how the BigScreen compares with the 12k pimax
Is glare still present in the production model?
Yes it is
See pinned comment cheers!
It's 1.379€ here.
And that's without any controllers or base stations. It's simply too expensive for what it offers in the long run. Personally, I'm patently waiting for something to replace the G2 at a reasonable price, with tracking included. Something
Pretty interesting. After using the Reverb i realized how much more valuable comfort and ease of use is compared to resolution claims. Im sick of the clunky headset, the cable is way too annoying for me and ive spent more hours fiddeling with the headset that actually playing a game with it. Ill definitely look at more reviews of this one.
It's got a tether, too.
Keep in mind, this headset also has a wire which can be annoying if not fastened correctly, then it's totally fine.
The cable was pretty annoying for me with Reverb G2 V2, but I bought a pulley cable management system (not Kiwi, even cheaper one, I have a very small room) and it doesn't bother me anymore. It's a huge difference. Even when playing seated it's so much more comfortable if cable doesn't pull on your headset and you don't need to be careful to not damage your cable with your chair. As for the standing experience, I can crouch easily, and in theory I can even lay down, but the cable pulls on the headset then, but I have no issues if I need to temporaly lower my head almost to the floor level for some reason. I'm curiously looking at Beyond mostly for the comfort, as very light hmd with perfect fit (my nose isn't perfect for G2) would be great. Investing money into Valve's base stations and controllers wouldn't be so great, though, so I'll wait a few years for some more impressive headsets.
This is exactly what I was hoping the headset was going to be, in terms of m-oled. I've been holding out with my trusty Index for 4 years.
Index is super outdated,
that's why he wants to upgrade lol@@gomersimpson777ram
@@gomersimpson777ramCongrats, you got the meaning of "holding out".... jeez.
If it didn't need base stations I'd get it in a heartbeat....😢
Never used a VR headset before just wondering what's with all the shaking I find it very annoying.
It's more obvious with this headset because it's so small and because if you think about it, my face moves when I'm talking, causing the headset to move. You don't notice this in VR.
Hey Steve I am going to become the devil's advocate and say this : You had a very strong and positive opinion on the Crystal and your earlier reviews of BSB to me came across as "yeah it's very comfortable but image quality is not comparable to the crystal" - what changed ? :) - you are awesome and this comment by no means is to cast doubt on your valuable opinions. on a side note - now that the Crystal has DFR and eye tracking have you considered moving back to native resolution? - thanks as always - Kam
Hi Kam, nothing has changed, this video focuses on the 6 main plus points for the Beyond, however, the Crystal has the better display and optics :)
Imagine the Crystal and BSB love baby...
Im thinking upgrade from Q2 because with Q2 feels like you are wearing a diving mask.
need to find some sponsors to update my current headset to a beyond i think... Thanks steve :P
Finally you appreciate oled displays. I haven’t been able to decommission my vive pro because of its oled. None of the modern lcd headsets can beat it
Your right! nothing beats Oled. pure quality.
Fov, what about it? What about lenses and clarity from edge to edge? What about god rays?
You absolutely convinced me!! 🙏
Hope you like it!
Can you do so that you fly from screen and someone sits on the co-pilot seat using VR?
I had it and headset is great, but the eye relief is so small, it’s unusable for most. It’s like looking through soda straws while trying to keep the headset in the right position so you can see the screens. Great form factor, but totally unusable… then they charge you $200 to send it back! Heads up
I do not recommend this headset for simming
It would good if more people would Like and comment on this...
Hello, would you recommend Quest 3 over it? Thank you
What about the integration of the speakers. How do they sound? What runtime does it have to use?
The Beyond will be the first headset I get, unless a better one with the same or similar size releases. I wish I could spend less money, but I already have scoliosis, and a brick bringing my head forwards won't help. I'll still have to buy the base stations and controllers :(
All very well. But the technology is STILL too expensive, is still a pain to set up and is still nowhere near attracting a large enough market to cut the price. Most people do not enjoy the claustrophobia, the flaky quality control, the annoying glare and the poor field of view, plus the need to additionally buy ridiculously expensive GPUs to make it worthwhile and yet again this headset is producing a jerky image. All these reasons explain why a tiny minority bother with VR. For the same price you could have three large 2d HDR monitors without all the faff.
3:43 Yup, welcome to my country: streetlights everywhere! Including highways...
I sim race..... how does this compare to the Pimax and the Vero for sim racing with respect to clarity, sharpness and graphics? I can deal with the lesser FOV personally but curious if anyone is able to chime in.
And what are the 6 reasons why Bigscreen Beyond is terrribleeeee lol. Let me guess:
1. FOV sucks
2. No headphone sucks
3. No DFR sucks
4. No auto IPD adj sucks
5. Low refesh rate sucks
6. Low nits sucks
Some of those I agree with. Thanks for the video suggestion 👍
Zero Lamborghini Muira. Great stuff! It better be amazing for 1000 dollars. In the grand scheme of things and waste, coupled with escapism from reality, that's not too shabby. (Liquid cooled Suoercharged PCs for all. I should buy a real airplane by now.)
I’m really lost on what to do will for my g2 upgrade. Tried the Pimax crystal and had a lot of issues with horizontal lines so I returned it. Thinking new XR4, but it’s a lot of $. I like the idea of the small size, not sure I like the idea of base stations. Would I be happy with the clarity of this? Used for msfs and dcs?
Hey question for you since ur one of the few that tests very high end headsets, how far along of the way there would you say a quest 3 or pico neo 3 link is compared to let say a varjo aero or big screen? I only do PCVR simracing. Im guessing it's quite a bit better, but wondering if it's that much better that i'd want to pay 3x the price for it (obviously that part is subjective to me).
This may be a stupid question, but how do you look at your hands to push the required buttons?
Muscle memory, just like when driving a car 👍
@@VRFlightSimGuy 😄, I do not have so much time available to train my muscles replace my eyes.
This is exactly what I have predicted. A wired but very light weight comfortable and small VR headset with insane graphics. That stupid wireless standalone headset will never be able to achieve this. For those of us who play VR games sitting, not standing. This new VR headset is the goat.
I would say oposite, if i had one big headset and one small headset, and i had to choose, i would choose the small for standing and the big for sitting. Surely it’s obvious
But for 1000 I can get two q3’s and get one for my buddy to fly with me
@@snagingapple84 so 3 quest 3s
I didn’t see controllers aren’t included for 1000? Damn
Have you let your other half try it? It would be great if the faceplate was detachable so that others could also use it with their own 'scanned' faceplate (say couples, friends or families). Would you agree that BSB could offer this to open up their market from solo users to those that want to share the VR experience 🤔
it is detachable. you will be able to order addition face plates for other users in your family. They need the same IPD or similar of course. because the IPD is fixed when you order. .
That’s great to know 😊
Funny enough, Melissa did use it, even though her IPD is vastly different. Long story short, she loved it.
I'll be so interested to hear your impressions of the Somnium VR1 once you get hands on it!
The things that have kept me from getting the Beyond: small FOV, lack of adjustability, lack of off-ear audio, lack of eye tracking.
I understand the audio strap might offer the ability to adjust the drivers to hover over the ears, but is that strap even available yet?
The strap should be coming sometime in Q4, IIRC.
If this truly requires base stations like the Valve Index, this headset is not for me, no matter how good it is. i do only SIM racing games. Also I do have a Valve Index, but hardly use it anymore.
But thanks for the review.
I ordered them. Let’s see if she meets my requirements 😀
You sound pretty impressed by the BB Headset, lol. I still have my 8KX and STILL have intermittent glitchy problems and getting software running with it!
I bought the 8KX so I could get to use a good headset and wait to the 12K with the Pimax upgrade program is released.
QUESTION: Is the BB headset much more suited to plug and play… for dummies like me of course!
Do you recommend buying the BB now and selling the 8KX… OR… wait longer for the 12K, believing it will be much much easier to use?
THANKS FOR YOUR TIME (again)
Michael 🇦🇺
4 months later but I will reply anyway.
If pimax software is working as easy as you would like and they still don't fix it ,is there a reason to believe that it is gonna get better?
Also of course the gonna say an update is coming
Someday probably.
Until it does and its working fine ,it's still not there
$1800 Australian Dollars. You've got to be kidding me. Absolute total ripoff. I'll stick with my G2.
And the BIGGEST reason I wouldn't buy it is it only has a 102 degree FOV!
To me it's the most important thing hand's down.
If it had eye tracking for dynamic Foveated rendering I’d have bought it but I went with the Varjo aero instead. Wondering if I made the wrong choice as my choice of games doesn’t seem to take much advantage of eye tracking and DFV.
A dream with a new pc build next year.
Same for me ;)
Are controllers not necessary to use this with flight sims? I notice they don't offer any on their site. With my Rift S, the only reason I need a controller is to set the floor level and draw the Guardian boundary that's required before I can use it. I take there's no such requirement with the Beyond?
I’ll pull the trigger when it approaches 60% of today’s asking price… I do miss OLED blackness a lot.
The screen only is $1k USD and you need an iphone for gasket scan atm. No thanks ill just grab the htc vive and index controllers 😂
The best of Micro Oled display is without SDE = Mosquito net. But the worst of Micro Oled display is the price . Dual Micro oled panels of BB about 500$ to 900$, so I suspend they have not some interrest.
So the question, Crystal or BSB for DCS and IL2 lol. Too many good options atm with the Aero price drop, getting analysis paralysis. The BSB size is huge thing for me as I prefer my own headphones over the built it stuff anyway and my Quest Pro moves around as is in a dogfight, can't imagine the Crystal.
I have that very video on the channel this Sunday
@@VRFlightSimGuy Ah man I have to wait 3 days...
I like the technology but I think I'll probably end up waiting for the next gen version of it a few years from now when I have a faster PC to.
What is the FOV?
Is that "Wobble" presumably from sensitivity to your head movement as noticeable in vr as it is in youtube? is there any way to dampen it?
i have reverb g2 v2 which is better pimax crystal or bigscreen beyond and is there a big jump from the reverb g2 to a big csreen beyond or pimax crystal for mfs only cheers
That a big question, but I have a video about that out this Sunday,
Don't know why it costs €300 more in the EU than the US though. That's 1/3 more.
if I can put a vive ultimate tracker on bigscreen VR to give it inside out tracking, I would.
Would you recommend it over the crystal? I'll use it mainly for sim racing.
How about the glare. Is it not so noticeable after a weeks use?
Glare is still an issue for sure. (see pinned comment). Thanks for watching!
FI, I'm seriously looking at a Quest 3, as I would like to dip my feet into MR and its possible use for real button sim cockpits, also it has excellent optics from the Pro, wide eye box (edge to edge clarity), similar resolution to the G2, support for the new streaming codecs, as I have a 4090 and of course ..price. Are you looking at getting one for review? @@VRFlightSimGuy
I think once the Immersed Visor comes out it will be a good contender for the Bigscreen Beyond.
I would love to use VR on MSFS2020, but my laptop will 💥💥💥
Jeez!! I should bloody well hope it's good at over 1100 quid.
06:38 - is that Venus behind your plane? Just right of the horizontal stab?
Seriously wish bigscreen beyond would include ipd so I could share it…
I need prescription lenses, how would that work with the small size
cheers
On bigscreeen website you put in your perception and they add custom lenses
Glad to hear you are enjoying big screen; I am really tempted to order one.
it looks exactly like my cheap monitor, so i am not going to buy one of these...
I'm thinking what can be the issue about OLED screen and why other are not using them. This VR looks interesting for simulators, it doesn't have controllers and this is a negative point. What software does it use? Is it a good software? What's its FOV?
Is this still the best VR headset currently ? Great video btw
Isn’t the video shown in this review via PC video capture? It wouldn’t matter if the headset being worn was an Oculus Go it would have the same quality shown in this review. These aren’t filmed with a camera in headset showing what an actual eye would see. Of course using a camera in any headset, even some multi-million dollar headset would massively degrade the quality, but there should be an overlay or lower thirds title or something saying this is not actual video from the headset.
Every audio description in this video does not apply to the video we’re actually seeing other than comments about size and weight. I’m sure the quality is great but don’t pass this off as actual video of what’s seen on the OLED screens even if what the eye sees in the headset is better than what UA-cam could deliver.
Since there’s an affiliate link this is akin to false advertising.
So when you watch a car review, are you also going to complain that you don't feel like you are in that car? Or maybe you should listen to what I'm saying, since that's what of value. Also, watch my full review where I go through everything, including the things I don't like. This video is literally about the 6 things I DO like. So you've completely missed the point of this video and wasted my time having to explain this to you...
quest 3 will be better and a fraction of the price
All the reviewers of this seem to forget about the existence of the Arpara, which has same resolution micro-OLED screens as the Beyond (heck, could be the same screens, how many manufacturers are there for tiny 2560x2560 micro-OLED screens?)
It's not a GOOD headset by any means, so many problems, but it's been around, kinda, for something like a year by now.
This is crazy, trust me, Zuckerberg look at this bruv....🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥face plate is custom as well....
I just ordered a Quest 3, but do catch myself wondering if I should have got this instead. Granted, the Quest 3 has controllers and does standalone and AR, but the big screen has (apparently) the most beautiful image quality thanks to the high resolution OLED displays. If the big screen beyond was wireless wifi 6 and had its own self-tracking controllers, it would be a no brainer for me.
Quest three for stand alone VR. It’s cheap.
@@cecielhelder5923well, actually every people who tried it told that it is amazingly surprising. The screens seems to be (and it is a surprise) OLEDs screens. And the lenses are of very good quality
Don't forget there's no inside-out head tracking on the BSB either; you have to have valve lighthouses set up in your room.
It’s still cheap, cheap is good. I like cheap. I’m getting one to hold me over.@@xFlowXxX
Just started looking at VR headsets so the timing is great!
One question. Do you get a sense of "depth" looking at two screens? I assume the picture is the same on each screen?
OK, two questions!))
The picture is not the same on the screens - the viewpoints are shifted a little and a separate image is rendered on both screens for each eye. That's how you get depth perception in VR and in reality - each eye gets a slightly different image and the brain interprets the differences..
@@tomaszwota1465 Exactly the answer I was hoping for! Thank you.
@@martf3129 Yes, VR is stereo, like a Viewmaster reel. Looking out the right window downward, you almost want to hold on to something to keep from falling. But after awhile that sense of vertigo fear goes away. Just like when someone is first learning to fly from an instructor in a small plane.
Oh yeah, it's stereo. You have perfect depth perception, it's not like a display on your face. It feels like you're there.
VR is something that you have to try yourself. Flight Sim in VR is unbelievable. You will never go back to a screen again.
Many thanks for the review. A question if I may. How does the kit 'play' with DCS using MT ? Any thoughts observations appreciated👍 Cheers
How does night time look on Quest3? I have the Quest 2 but have talked myself into upgrading to a 3. But now, even though I don't VR a lot in war sims online, I'm wondering if I should wait.
Flying above Belgium. Not much payware airports there besides Antwerp, Brussels and few very good freeware ones lile my home airport EBZR... watching your video before flying mt brand new TBM-850
Headset that costs three times more than the rest is better... well well..
Can you order multiple face plates for multiple people in your family?
Yes as long as they share the same IPD.
The VR hardware manufacturers need to address the micro vibrations. In real life, we don't have the micro jittering in our vision. Like you see at 5:16
When watching a high quality movie. Do the pixels disappear completely? Meaning, it's like I'm watching the movie on a TV screen!!
There's zero SDE in this headset
My G2 quickly looking like the original Xbox