Here we go again. Muslims forever seems to be living in the past. Islamic golden age is 700 AD. No wonder all Muslims are in a hurry to go back to that day and time. 🙂 Wonder why Pakistanis still seem stuck discussing Independence movement and partition - while Bangladeshi and Indians seems to have moved so far ahead beyond that. Move on guys!!!! Dr. Hoodbhoy seems highly critical of Hindus speaking about their past and their golden age. What he is doing here which is so different that he is critical of others doing something similar? 🙂
Hindus do not have such a history except for a recently faked one. Hinduism and it's Santhana Dharma relabelling, Hindu language, a country called Bharat are all post 19th century inventions.
Much of your so- called 'ancient' stuff are post 13 th century. Even the paltry and poor proto- Hindu culture had not much to claim for prior to 700 AD.
The Golden Age was based on books and people enslaved from Taxila University, which housed one of the learning centres in current-day Afghanistan. The Muslim golden age was based on translating books taken from the Indian subcontinent
These guys never ever discuss their own forefather's/ancient India wisdom. I can't believe these guys are discussing foreign people who are completely unrelated to them.
See, that's what you don't get. Muslim Nationalism doesn't aspire to the principles of your idea of Nationalism. I understand, for an Indian Hindu (and even some Muslims living in India), the nationalism is strictly attached to this land. Makes sense, but for us, the line of address and identity is different. That's why it seems absurd to you.
Most of Hindus got nothing to do with golden age of ancient India because only a particular people are allowed to have knowledge, to read and to write.
All the ancestors of people living in this hall were Hindus or Budhists , and what they are saying now is " Hum Muslims " etc. All of them use Ayuraveic herbs iin there kitchens to keep away from diseases and for good health, and Ayuraveic system being the oldest in this world, but still they are referring to Yunaan for being medicines etc. They don't know anything about their matrabhoomi ( away from their ancestors and their culture) .They can't speak simple words of Hindi leave alone Sanskrit to understand a bit of Bharat and what it had achieved in the past.
The term "Muslim World" reflects exclusivity of Islamic thought process. "We "and the "Others". Very narrow way to engage with world community; not conducive for intellectual and material development.
In 1995 As a 22 years old B.S. student in USA, I asked my Indian friend 'How many Engineering Universities in India ?', she said 'there are 55 in Bombay alone', that left me completely baffled and lost bcuz Pakistan did not have 12 then. We must ask, what have we not done that India did. Now we HAVE TO plan about the Future.
Professor Hoodbhoy humary education system ko ap jaisey logon ki ashad zarurat hai. Literally we are living in dark ages. Na hum Urdu me hain na angrezi ke! Koi haal nhi humara
1:23:52 kay hume India me hindutwa aur isreal me Palestinians.. but never acknowledged the xenophobic and discrimination against any religious minorities in Muslim countries
Loved the comments of the Balochi bhai, the young lady who spoke of Judaism and the gentleman speaking about the search of muslim identity. Great questions and comments.
Parvez sir🙏🙏🙏🙏👍 I am Hindu by religion and Indian by country But i see almost all black hole videos and my heart fill with respect and affections I do love science and scientific temperament like my fellow country men Your efforts towards science and mankind r appreciable Please pay visit to India like earlier days and bless us with scientific temperament We r happy if u r give us scientific lecture and blessings to our children My greatest regards with humbleness, please visit Indian universities and taught us with scientific directions 🙏🙏🙏🙏 Please sir pay visit to India and ur always well come❤
Golden Age was rather an exception where religion and science co existed because they didnt think each other as threat. Not possible anymore considering progress science has made.
There seems to be more Khouf than spirituality in Islam. Neki bhi karate hain, toh in return Sabab ke liye. There is no "Neki kar Dariya mein dal" concept, like selfless service.
*Negative Identity of Pakistanis* I am Not Hindu I am Not Indian I am Not Punjabi I am Not Sikh I am Not Shia I am Not Ahmadi I am Not Sindhi I am Not Balochi I am Not Pashtun I am Not Ajlafi I am Not Mujahir Pakistanis should Stop the Drama that they are the Aulads of Turks or Arabs or Mongols. Pakistanis are also Hindustanis.
Hoodbhoy Sir, why Muslim world is much obsessed with mazhab? Why a sizeable section of Muslim world looks away the reason/scientific thoughts /tolerance when other religions weigh those more?
When Pakistanis and in general Muslims learn about other religions and cultures with some natural curiosity and for knowledge instead of being inhibited or prohibited by Islam and the moulvi, they will progress. Otherwise, they will have to just wallow in their peevishness.
For those someone who's essay to quote. Iqbal mentions (Pg 2-4, Reconstruction of Religious thought in Islam"); "As we all know, Greek philosophy has been a great cultural force in the history of Islam. Yet a careful study of the Quran and the various schools of scholastic theology that arose under the inspiration of Greek thought disclose the remarkable fact that while Greek philosophy very much broadened the outlook of Muslim thinkers, it, on the whole, obscured their vision of the Quran.
I am so disappointed that you intellectuals are keep on banging your head against the proverbial wall and making no headway,something is really missing.We are going around and around the circular path when we talk about this topic. .Prof.Dr.Nasir Fazal gold medalist Cambridge USA. I had the pleasure of talking to Dr. Hoodbhoy when he was visiting Princeton 3yrs ago.
While historically Indian subcontinent has made extraordinary contribution to knowledge etc, why the criticism that it not mentioned. Please look at title of the topic of this video and use the head of your ancestors so you can think straight
You don't have any scripture to follow. Until the Marx Muller and other Sanskrit scholars writing books there was no idea on what the heck the Vedas actually contain.
Life expectancy in Europe was low. Also, There were not many resources. Iron and steel was invented in India and spread to all the world. Swords became the main tool of war. The domestication of horses and the discovery of coal as fuel were two very important developments.
SACH BAAT YE HAI ISLAM KA GOLDEN AGE HOGA PAR PAKISTANI TO HINDU YA SIKH YA BAUDH THE UNKA UN GOLDEN AGE SHE KYA LENA DENA ? TAXSILA GOLDEN AGE HO SHAKTI HAI .
Dr. Hoodbhoy, I have been following your contents for a long time. It's been a wonderful experience listening you. But please talk about this land of sub continent, its heroes like bhagat Singh and raja rammohan roy. Please don't talk about islamic past which wasn't part of this subcontinent for a very long time. Please try to discuss some of instances of indian subcontinent.
Seems allama iqbal's intellect became a prisoner of the past islamic glory, any person or commumity spends their life or confines themselves to the past glories will not grow intellectually in current times, could see this in India also in some quarters, its mind game, instead of facing the reality and fight it, the mind tricks you to find solace in the past..seems allama also fell for this..!!
Dear professor Hoodbhoy, why discuss historical golden age when Abbu Cheen has promised age of prosperity for Pakistan with CEPC projects - When US UK and EU line up to seek appointment and loan from pak army chief , puppet PM .
Golden age? What Muslims have given to entire humanity? Killing, looting each other is the definition of golden age? May Alla open your akal ka tala.
Shame on you, biased human. Still there was no Sati-pratha and caste in islaam. Shame on you.
😂😂 I think you're suffering from selective amnesia when it comes to Muslims because of your hatred.
For them hv fantasy, what they claim golden age is made up of Persian and Jews scientists 😂😂😂😂
Here we go again. Muslims forever seems to be living in the past.
Islamic golden age is 700 AD. No wonder all Muslims are in a hurry to go back to that day and time. 🙂
Wonder why Pakistanis still seem stuck discussing Independence movement and partition - while Bangladeshi and Indians seems to have moved so far ahead beyond that.
Move on guys!!!! Dr. Hoodbhoy seems highly critical of Hindus speaking about their past and their golden age. What he is doing here which is so different that he is critical of others doing something similar? 🙂
Hindus do not have such a history except for a recently faked one. Hinduism and it's Santhana Dharma relabelling, Hindu language, a country called Bharat are all post 19th century inventions.
Much of your so- called 'ancient' stuff are post 13 th century. Even the paltry and poor proto- Hindu culture had not much to claim for prior to 700 AD.
The Golden Age was based on books and people enslaved from Taxila University, which housed one of the learning centres in current-day Afghanistan. The Muslim golden age was based on translating books taken from the Indian subcontinent
These guys never ever discuss their own forefather's/ancient India wisdom. I can't believe these guys are discussing foreign people who are completely unrelated to them.
See, that's what you don't get.
Muslim Nationalism doesn't aspire to the principles of your idea of Nationalism. I understand, for an Indian Hindu (and even some Muslims living in India), the nationalism is strictly attached to this land. Makes sense, but for us, the line of address and identity is different. That's why it seems absurd to you.
You are biased human. Let them discuss, what they want. Indian history is full of lies. Shame on you.
In that way they think that they will be more Arabs.
Most of Hindus got nothing to do with golden age of ancient India because only a particular people are allowed to have knowledge, to read and to write.
All the ancestors of people living in this hall were Hindus or Budhists , and what they are saying now is " Hum Muslims " etc. All of them use Ayuraveic herbs iin there kitchens to keep away from diseases and for good health, and Ayuraveic system being the oldest in this world, but still they are referring to Yunaan for being medicines etc. They don't know anything about their matrabhoomi ( away from their ancestors and their culture) .They can't speak simple words of Hindi leave alone Sanskrit to understand a bit of Bharat and what it had achieved in the past.
Sach bataau, aap logo ki ish identity crisis ko me puri tan man se enjoy kar rah hu....# Satya sanatan dharm ki jay🎉
The term "Muslim World" reflects exclusivity of Islamic thought process. "We "and the "Others". Very narrow way to engage with world community; not conducive for intellectual and material development.
It was only the brilliant Balochi youth who made sense. Brought the whole discussion down to earth.
Thank you Hoodboy Sir for providing us with such an intellectual events
In 1995 As a 22 years old B.S. student in USA, I asked my Indian friend 'How many Engineering Universities in India ?', she said 'there are 55 in Bombay alone', that left me completely baffled and lost bcuz Pakistan did not have 12 then. We must ask, what have we not done that India did. Now we HAVE TO plan about the Future.
Professor Hoodbhoy humary education system ko ap jaisey logon ki ashad zarurat hai. Literally we are living in dark ages. Na hum Urdu me hain na angrezi ke! Koi haal nhi humara
What a beautiful discussion .
Thank you Dr Hodbhoy.❤
1:23:52 kay hume India me hindutwa aur isreal me Palestinians.. but never acknowledged the xenophobic and discrimination against any religious minorities in Muslim countries
Loved the comments of the Balochi bhai, the young lady who spoke of Judaism and the gentleman speaking about the search of muslim identity. Great questions and comments.
We are from here in Indian subcontinent but our so called intellectuals make discussion on our Turkish or Arabic roots 🤦🤦🤦🤦
Parvez sir🙏🙏🙏🙏👍
I am Hindu by religion and Indian by country
But i see almost all black hole videos and my heart fill with respect and affections
I do love science and scientific temperament like my fellow country men
Your efforts towards science and mankind r appreciable
Please pay visit to India like earlier days and bless us with scientific temperament
We r happy if u r give us scientific lecture and blessings to our children
My greatest regards with humbleness, please visit Indian universities and taught us with scientific directions 🙏🙏🙏🙏
Please sir pay visit to India and ur always well come❤
Hindu = native people of Hind.
Pervez Hoodbhoy Sir is a Great Intellectual
Golden Age was rather an exception where religion and science co existed because they didnt think each other as threat. Not possible anymore considering progress science has made.
Beautiful and inspiring lecture.
Very good discussion, thank you all
There seems to be more Khouf than spirituality in Islam.
Neki bhi karate hain, toh in return Sabab ke liye.
There is no "Neki kar Dariya mein dal" concept, like selfless service.
*Negative Identity of Pakistanis*
I am Not Hindu
I am Not Indian
I am Not Punjabi
I am Not Sikh
I am Not Shia
I am Not Ahmadi
I am Not Sindhi
I am Not Balochi
I am Not Pashtun
I am Not Ajlafi
I am Not Mujahir
Pakistanis should Stop the Drama that they are the Aulads of Turks or Arabs or Mongols.
Pakistanis are also Hindustanis.
Calligraphy of Topics of discussion on board has been always a great work of Art.
Hoodbhoy Sir, why Muslim world is much obsessed with mazhab?
Why a sizeable section of Muslim world looks away the reason/scientific thoughts /tolerance when other religions weigh those more?
Great discussion
Very great 👍😊👏 video, watched on yesterday ( on 13 January 2024).
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@ 14 Jan 2024
This guys are genius..... Love you brothers 😎......
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Very good subject.
When Pakistanis and in general Muslims learn about other religions and cultures with some natural curiosity and for knowledge instead of being inhibited or prohibited by Islam and the moulvi, they will progress. Otherwise, they will have to just wallow in their peevishness.
Great to see you from 🇨🇭
Good discussion.
U can live in past but too much is too bad 😅 muslim mind need 2 change
Good talk. Thank you.
For those someone who's essay to quote.
Iqbal mentions (Pg 2-4, Reconstruction of Religious thought in Islam");
"As we all know, Greek philosophy has been a great cultural force in the history of Islam. Yet a careful study of the Quran and the various schools of scholastic theology that arose under the inspiration of Greek thought disclose the remarkable fact that while Greek philosophy very much broadened the outlook of Muslim thinkers, it, on the whole, obscured their vision of the Quran.
I am so disappointed that you intellectuals are keep on banging your head against the proverbial wall and making no headway,something is really missing.We are going around and around the circular path when we talk about this topic.
.Prof.Dr.Nasir Fazal gold medalist Cambridge USA.
I had the pleasure of talking to Dr. Hoodbhoy when he was visiting Princeton 3yrs ago.
Syyed moudidi described history more than any one else
As per one of the Aalims of Pakistan, there are more than 10 lakh registered Atheists in Pakistan.
While historically Indian subcontinent has made extraordinary contribution to knowledge etc, why the criticism that it not mentioned. Please look at title of the topic of this video and use the head of your ancestors so you can think straight
how can i attend ????? if its in karachi another 2 weeks cause than I'm leaving
West ne bhi Ved and Hindu scriptures se he chori kar ke aapna nam laga ke rebranding kar ke wapas Hume he diya
You don't have any scripture to follow. Until the Marx Muller and other Sanskrit scholars writing books there was no idea on what the heck the Vedas actually contain.
Interesting thing is Gazali’s brother wrote a first book on sufism Ahmed Gazali
Life expectancy in Europe was low. Also, There were not many resources. Iron and steel was invented in India and spread to all the world. Swords became the main tool of war.
The domestication of horses and the discovery of coal as fuel were two very important developments.
Fit 4 human consumption soul 🐠 !! 2 date @ lines ❤❤
Trust me the lady was speaking blood truth..........
Hats of to Baluch Pathan bhai to take the discussion away with reality check to the experts
excellent, Please conduct such programs. In Golden age Devis And Devitas" which were defined as the sharpness of senses Ruled Arbs,
SACH BAAT YE HAI ISLAM KA GOLDEN AGE HOGA PAR PAKISTANI TO HINDU YA SIKH YA BAUDH THE UNKA UN GOLDEN AGE SHE KYA LENA DENA ? TAXSILA GOLDEN AGE HO SHAKTI HAI .
Forces of nature run the universe. what agood ctation."
Is this live ?
Guys , all your issues will resolve when u look sanatan as way of life and not religion.
Sir it is important to see that words are images from past frozen in the memory,
Kese na kese ka hath nae kata press main quran printing par
Dr. Hoodbhoy, I have been following your contents for a long time.
It's been a wonderful experience listening you.
But please talk about this land of sub continent, its heroes like bhagat Singh and raja rammohan roy.
Please don't talk about islamic past which wasn't part of this subcontinent for a very long time.
Please try to discuss some of instances of indian subcontinent.
May be it is a good thing we don't have a pope.This way Muslims can think independently.
Ge belkul
Golden age 😂
Ye pakistaan ke liberals ka chennal h kya bhai 😂
Yeh bat nae keh pasta bhe nae helta balkeh jo Germany he Allah ke knowledge main hota he
Never syyed moudidi said don't go into history,astaghfirullah
Word is not the thing, word tree is not tree , word is only image, however holy
Nmaze estasqa quran main dekar nae he ,hadees main he
I challenge him to give any evidence from his books where he denied o know history
we should compare overself as hindustani nation with rest of world,not representative as muslim all over the world.
Moudidi stressed upon education n stressed to acquire latest technology
Tasveer leina
islam main jazz he
Seems allama iqbal's intellect became a prisoner of the past islamic glory, any person or commumity spends their life or confines themselves to the past glories will not grow intellectually in current times, could see this in India also in some quarters, its mind game, instead of facing the reality and fight it, the mind tricks you to find solace in the past..seems allama also fell for this..!!
یار اقبال کو گزرے سو سال ہونے والے ہیں۔ پھر بھی اتنا خوف۔۔۔
Fake story
Robbers dont need many innovations. Loot lo
Dear professor Hoodbhoy, why discuss historical golden age when Abbu Cheen has promised age of prosperity for Pakistan with CEPC projects - When US UK and EU line up to seek appointment and loan from pak army chief , puppet PM .
I HV TO TAKE MEDICINES FOR LFE NEED 3000/PER MONTH
Identity Crises
@TheBlackHole what is the criteria to determine it was a golden age. ?
These guys have nothing knowledge about modern knowledge. but question of Baloch man was amazing......
Taxila Harappa Mohenjo Daro ke bare mein koi Jankari Nahin aap Logon Ko
Muslims NE kitne nobal price jeete aur scientistfirst achievement????? Answar nothing? Talwar uta kr dusro ko convert krna koi golden era nhi blki usse jahiliyat khte h hoodbey shab