I have the RED bezel version of this Promaster FUGU Collection and I simply love it! The bezel design is really nice and the grip feels good, also the lovely puffer fish 🐡 on the back is very cool! For this price point to have a sapphire crystal and 200 meters of water resistance with ISO certification is something else… well done CITIZEN 👏🏻
I have the Promaster ecodrive version. Great watch,love everything about it. This looks like it would wear too big for a small wrist, but definitely have to give Citizen lots of love and respect.
I have just recently purchased an eco drive watch; the Promaster sailhawk, and it is just amazing. I am a dive instructor so all the functions, especially the timer are super useful to me. I feel just as confident diving with it as a true diver, it is so awesome.
Nice review Ted. About time someone like you gave the Citizen brand a recognition it deserves and putting it on the collectors/enthusiasts map. I just recently held a few of these divers in my hands at my local jewellers and they feel no less in quality and quantity than its various Swiss and Japanese counterparts. While I got you could you please do a review on SEIKO PROSPEX SPEEDTIMER SRQ037J1? Would be interested in your thoughts. Cheers mate.
They really need to put the highbeat 9015 movement in these to get more sales to watch enthusiasts. Got the quartz instead as it is just as jerky as the 8200 movement and is more accurate being quartz.
I have the Eco-Drive. These look great. Clean dial, no ugly PADI logo like on the Seiko. Citizen should offer some color variations and sapphire for the eco-drive.
I have the NY0040. Most accurate watch I have. Very tough too. I like the upgrades, but mine has the 8204, and the mineral crystal has not scratched. Yet. I ordered a new strap.
Great video as always! Functionality wise, Citizen makes the best watches. A proper tool for diving with all of the features and specs of their Aqualand line.
Aqualand watches include current and max depth gauges, plus rapid ascent warnings, unlike regular diver watches (including the basic Promasters). I have a Hyper Aqualand, and 30th Anniversary Aqualand. Both used for diving.
@@originalkk882 Owned several C500s, 5810/11/12, 3740/5 and two BN2038-01L. No other brand gives you these verity of options to choose with various functions!
Absolutely. All Citizen Promaster Divers are ISO certified and they have divers in the repertoire that are professional dive watches. They also have pilot watches that are functional as pilot watches and hiking watches like the Altricon. Nobody does functionality like Citizen.
Finally bought one Black dial and case. Its not bad but I had to put it on a black Nato strap. Its strange having the winder at 8. I have small wrists but it wears and looks well. I still love my Seiko vintage Turtle (1977 )
It doesn't look like they're listening because they had a great watch with the 42mm Fugu, they just needed to slap sapphire on it. Instead they came out with this bigger 44mm version and didn't extend the seconds hand to the chapter ring, instead they left a big gap between it and the chapter ring, unlike the 42mm version which has no gap.
Are these the new edition? I've seen these watches for a few years now, but I never knew they have sapphire glass. When I looked at Citizen's website, they do bear different ref. number, with a pretty significant price jump also. Way more expensive than the "comparable" Seiko Prospex.
I'm definitely going to look at these and he'll I'll probably grab one some day, but do all diver's HAVE to be 44mm cases? I wish seiko or citizen would make a 40mm diver like the zelos mako v3
Teddy big fan , bought prx 80 blue , oris date relief , rado true secret, just after watching your reviews, just trying to start a "collection" as Mr Kevin would say lol great dou , very much inspired with watches now , just one request if possible will you consider to review my both other watches other than prx so I can admire them more just watching your review again and again, much love , thanks a lot brother for great content 🌝
Overall nice look and specs, but fairly large for modern tastes (I personally have no problem with it). For $500 the bracelet/clasp is not great, and in your macro shots, the hands are pretty rough around the edges.
I own 15 Citizen Eco-Drive watches including two divers: BN0191-55L & CA0719-53 Chrono Diver. I do not like that these new automatic divers do not have a fold-over safety clasp for the bracelet version. The styling is not offensive to me, but I prefer my current Citizens, Orient/Orient Star, Bulova and Glycine divers. I do not own any Seiko divers.
I recently got a brand new Promaster Fugu. Pretty disappointed in the movement as the rotor keeps spinning with just a flick of the wrist... is that normal for citizen automatics? I got a asia limited edition titanium & paid a premium over the regular versions & the movement is worse than my seiko 5
Hello Omer. Asslamo Alikum, what is the model number of your watch? infact i am getting this watch here in pakistan.So i want your recommendation. Thanks
I have a few thousand to spend on a watch, and I like the idea of owning a nice watch, but In researching I've also become quite attracted to the idea of having a number of watches to choose between each day and for different situations. Would you guys go for a higher end watch or a number of lower end watches?
I like these, but I really like the Eco-Drive Divers. When I think Citizen, I think phenomenal solar quartz movements. Give me a sapphire crystal on one of those and it’s a home run tool watch.
Closest option, though not strictly a diver, is the Citizen pro master land PMD56-2952.. proper tool watch style. 39mm. Titanium. Downsides: JDM, bit funky to get the radio-control feature to work outside Japan.
Considering the fact that citizen dive watches crush at depths far below their rating in pressure tests, saphire isn't necessary. It would just needessly jack the price up.
@@MercilessGuitar151 Crush might not be the best word to use there! Lol. But you're right!! It does add to the cost. I suppose the sapphire is really just for the anti scratch resistance. I dive myself and have a couple of Citizens, the mineral glass on one of them is fine but the other one took a big scratch across the face from a rock outcrop. I was able to change it out, but for divers scrabbling around on the ocean floor, sapphire is offering that extra protection.
This video is great man! As a workin man I am not going to be buying multi thousand dollar watches (the absolute most I would ever spend on a watch is around $1000 give or take). Its nice to see you covering a brand like citizen who makes quality, dependable, and nice watches for the workin man. Much appreciated Sir 👍 and yes I am a fan of Citizen watches obviously heh.
Being a NAUI Certified diver since 1979 and a USA Swim Coach since United States Swimming was formed, you would think I would have a dive watch, but I don't! This Citizen Promaster looks like it would fit in my budget, and I do like the different look of the bezel.
These look pretty nice, and I'm liking the 8204 movement. I own the original 8203 equipped Promaster, probably from the 90s, and it does look very similar, so I probably won't be rushing out to get one of these, but it's nice to see Citizen listening to the enthusiasts.
Yeah...they got everything right but the size. Come on, just use your 41mm 20mm lug width case! The original 41mm ProMaster wears so good, and way better than the SKX or Seiko 5. As it is, at 44, I have no interest in it. Like at all.
I agree. Looking at all these reviewers praising these things, and it's like... They literally had the perfect sized watch case for a diver and they beefed it up for no reason. So that makes me not interested in it at all. If they had kept the original dimensions I probably would have gotten one.
Hey y'all some of us just have larger wrists than you do and really do appreciate the existence of larger divers. I wear a 43mm diver and it fits me about the same as a 40mm diver fits the slender wrists of the average watch reviewer. Just because it isn't for you doesn't mean it's for no one.
@@thomasdavis8117 And you have plenty of options. Mainstream options. Just when watches were starting to get smaller, here they go getting bigger again. And what makes this worse is they took away a 41mm option and replaced it with a 44. The market quite simply is oversaturated with divers catering to your wrist size. Citizen had a perfectly sized one, they just lacked colors and specs. When they finally release a model with colors and updated specs, gone is the perfect size and it's beefed up. That's the issue.
@@caomhan84 there is no such thing as a perfect size as there is so much variation in taste and wrist size and I would argue the market leans towards 40mm divers in the style of the submariner more than it does for large divers. I'm sorry this watch isn't for you but there are literally so many options for 40mm divers and fewer than you think in this size. Again just because it isn't for you doesn't mean that there aren't people out there who appreciate the upsize.
@@thomasdavis8117 I'll have to disagree with you about where the market is trending. Because I've observed over the last 20 years where it's gone and it's definitely gone larger. Again, my issue is less with this being a size "for me" and more about them deleting a size and replacing it with a bigger one. Which has been a trend in almost every company from Seiko to Omega and even Rolex (Even the submariner has gotten beefy in the last 7 years). When I said mainstream options, I mean mainstream companies that are easy to buy from. Microbrands don't really count because they aren't easy to buy from. Micro brand watches are not readily available.
I think Citizen targeting enthusiasts is great. I love the Toyota motors cars and I love Nissian Cars. It will help to calm Seiko rising prices too. It is more fun to have Nissian 240sx, 300z, 370z, Skyline GTR and Toyota Supra, LFA, MR2, Celica, and GR86 on the market.
I love most of your videos but you dancing around the size was annoying. Look it's a wide watch and its gonna wear like a wide watch. Quit trying to sugar coat it just because you sell it.
I’m very happy to be a proud owner of an NY0040 with fully lumed dial. It has an 8204 movement with hacking & hand winding. For me, it’s 42mm diameter is a perfect size.
Well, actually I bought a Ny0040, and it is hackable. There is a generation of Ny0040, between 2020 and 2021, that included the movement 8204, instead of the non-hackable 8203. Although the movement is different, on the dial it says 8203, I guess they had extra dials and cases and built a few of them.
Ditto, my NY 0040 hacks as well for the reasons you stated, and at 42mm (actually just about 41.5!) is a better fit for my wrist. I tried the new one at a watch store Saturday - very nice but I'm good with my 0040 which is just the right size.
I bought the NY0040 black dial and full lume dial, both under $200. Seikos may look more attractive at first, more flashy. But Citizen, once you acquire a taste for them, I think have a more understated and timeless beauty, The black dial of the NY0040 is so legible, and a beautiful inky, glossy deep black. The full lume is nice, on a generic bracelet, but it is less legible, as Teddy said, it blends in with the dial. The Fugu, actually has more legible hands, longer and with a more defined outline. Both the Fugu and NY0040 series have a case larger than the bezel of 1 or 2 millimeters. So the actual dial look smaller than expected. I had the SKX007 years ago, but I did not like the flat hour markers and dial. The NY0040 looks more interesting. I have the Eco-Drive BN0151, which is nice and has a better bezel. But the dial of the automatic watches is definitely nicer. The Seiko watches I really like retail for $1000 or so, I find Citizen's offerings in the sub 500 USD more appealing.
In my opinion, Citizen needs to limit the use of 8 series movements to lower end watches, maybe $250 max. They should be putting 9 series movements in these watches. Frankly, if I were running Citizen, I'd completely phase out the 8 series movements and fully invest in the 9 series to increase production and in turn, lower the cost. Sure, the 8 series movements are technically on par with Seiko's 4R movements, but Citizen should over deliver by using the 9 series. There's not the same brand equity for Citizen automatics as for Seiko automatics, so going with a superior movement would help steal sales from Seiko. Also, the size seems too big. I'd expect that Citizen will be adding to it's offerings to better attract those preferring more moderately sized watches. All of that said, it is great to see Citizen returning to automatics in the US.
Strongly disagree,the 8 series is literally one of the most robust,most proven movements in the world,it's been around since 1977 and most users report excellent accuracy and incredible durability
6 weeks ago I received this very nice watch in titanium. At + 120 seconds per day, it ran too fast. Unfortunately it will take at least 8 weeks until I get my watch back from Citizen Service Center. I hope!
Sweet watch. Need a 40 to 42 mm. As a tech Diver I logged over 200 deep dives with citizen. Every serious or wanna be diver I knew had one of the various models with built in depth gauge!
This looks great, a few drawbacks, but great. For one at over $500 I'd have liked to have seen a milled clasp. I'd also like to see a smaller version as well, especially for those of us who like the styling though can't accommodate a watch this size. Fantastic work with the review and it's nice to see more affordable pieces on the channel.
Just buy the older version. It's 41.5mm and cost around £150. There are some for £172 on Amazon t the mo & some on ebay for £180. I got mine for £163 Jan with the 8204 movement
500+ $ with no milled clasp and a miyota 8000 series lol come on man that's embarrassing. You have 250$ watches with 9000 series or pt5000s. This is a non starter. Another example of big brands trying to get away with overcharging for subpar watches. I'd go micro brand no contest.
Teddy - what is the second language on the day wheel on these? Kinda bummed that I bought limited edition fully lumed dial fugu NY0138-14X not long ago and then they basically release the same watch (NY0155-58X).
Excellent review Teddy, good looking watches, I have a couple of the older ones and still in regular diving use. Sapphire is adding to the price as someone here mentioned, but having scratched one of mine on a rock outcrop I think on balance the extra cash to get sapphire is a good idea. Still, they are probably leaning a bit towards the expensive side for what they are. I imagine that deals will be available further down the road, so might not be necessary to pay full retail. I got a $110 off a Seiko Prospex with sapphire recently in a Seiko AD in Istanbul (fully lined up, I only buy Seiko's I can inspect!) so it might be worth waiting a bit to see if any bargains appear.
I have never understood how the dive watches got so mainstream. I don't dive. I have no use for a dive watch. They are bulky and ugly to me. I own one bnib dive watch and I have never worn it. I know it's me but I honestly don't understand the appeal.
Damn, so much hate on anything over 41mm. As someone with bigger arms and good sized set of hooker chokers, I need this in 44mm; should be delivered Thursday 👍🏻
Great review I just bought citizen promaster ny0140-80ee review, does someone know what is the main difference between this watch and the fugu line. Mechanism is the same also the sapphire christal and the bracelet but it is cheeper. Thank you in advance!
I got the 42mm Fugu in 2018, I haven’t had a better driver on my 6.5” wrist, it’s just perfect with slender lugs and that non-angular case shape that just melts on the wrist. I wouldn’t swap it for a 44mm for sure.
Asian FUGU divers have even worse clasp. Finally…it’s about time. However, stop making watches so big. I have an 8” wrist, and I still prefer 40-42mm diameters. My oldest dive watches are Citizen’s. They last forever. I wish there were more options for bracelets. To me the one flaw in their designs has always been bracelets. Teddy, great video. Thanks for the efforts.
The review I've been waiting for. As a Citizen fan with a BN0150 and a BJ7111-51M in my collection, I was keen to see Teddy's review. On the whole, I like the look of this new range, however, upgrade the crystal and downgrade the clasp is a mistake. I think I'd struggle with the accuracy too, my Citizen Quartz models and my 16 year old Planet Ocean beat it. The one I'm really looking forward to is the Citizen Challenge Diver, which I believe is being released in the summer.
Great watches. I have the white dial version Fugu and love it even if it doesnt hack. ( 8203) I noticed the green dial version in your review was a 8203 movement as well. ( unless it was just on the dial ) Good review thank you ..
I have the RED bezel version of this Promaster FUGU Collection and I simply love it! The bezel design is really nice and the grip feels good, also the lovely puffer fish 🐡 on the back is very cool! For this price point to have a sapphire crystal and 200 meters of water resistance with ISO certification is something else… well done CITIZEN 👏🏻
I have the Promaster ecodrive version. Great watch,love everything about it. This looks like it would wear too big for a small wrist, but definitely have to give Citizen lots of love and respect.
I have just recently purchased an eco drive watch; the Promaster sailhawk, and it is just amazing. I am a dive instructor so all the functions, especially the timer are super useful to me. I feel just as confident diving with it as a true diver, it is so awesome.
I bought the green one two years back, it is an amazing watch, and for the price, you don't think it would take people's attention but it did.
The Citizen NY0040, NY0085/86 are still being manufactured today and newer versions come with the Miyota 8204 caliber
Yes! Got one of those with the 8204, amazing value for money
Horrible price. Miyota 8 series with shitty bracelet? Why not buy a micro with an awesome bracelet and a 9 series movement?
I love this! I have an eco-drive promaster diver, but I would absolutely consider getting an automatic...once I have paid for this year's vacation.
Nice review Ted. About time someone like you gave the Citizen brand a recognition it deserves and putting it on the collectors/enthusiasts map. I just recently held a few of these divers in my hands at my local jewellers and they feel no less in quality and quantity than its various Swiss and Japanese counterparts.
While I got you could you please do a review on
SEIKO PROSPEX SPEEDTIMER SRQ037J1? Would be interested in your thoughts.
Cheers mate.
They really need to put the highbeat 9015 movement in these to get more sales to watch enthusiasts. Got the quartz instead as it is just as jerky as the 8200 movement and is more accurate being quartz.
I have the Eco-Drive. These look great. Clean dial, no ugly PADI logo like on the Seiko. Citizen should offer some color variations and sapphire for the eco-drive.
I have the NY0040. Most accurate watch I have. Very tough too. I like the upgrades, but mine has the 8204, and the mineral crystal has not scratched. Yet. I ordered a new strap.
Great video as always!
Functionality wise, Citizen makes the best watches. A proper tool for diving with all of the features and specs of their Aqualand line.
Aqualand watches include current and max depth gauges, plus rapid ascent warnings, unlike regular diver watches (including the basic Promasters). I have a Hyper Aqualand, and 30th Anniversary Aqualand. Both used for diving.
@@originalkk882 Owned several C500s, 5810/11/12, 3740/5 and two BN2038-01L. No other brand gives you these verity of options to choose with various functions!
Absolutely. All Citizen Promaster Divers are ISO certified and they have divers in the repertoire that are professional dive watches. They also have pilot watches that are functional as pilot watches and hiking watches like the Altricon. Nobody does functionality like Citizen.
Just picked up the green dial 42mm Fugu and I'm very happy with it. Fantastic watch for the price!
That red bezel model is calling to me.
Finally bought one Black dial and case. Its not bad but I had to put it on a black Nato strap. Its strange having the winder at 8. I have small wrists but it wears and looks well. I still love my Seiko vintage Turtle (1977 )
It doesn't look like they're listening because they had a great watch with the 42mm Fugu, they just needed to slap sapphire on it. Instead they came out with this bigger 44mm version and didn't extend the seconds hand to the chapter ring, instead they left a big gap between it and the chapter ring, unlike the 42mm version which has no gap.
Are these the new edition? I've seen these watches for a few years now, but I never knew they have sapphire glass. When I looked at Citizen's website, they do bear different ref. number, with a pretty significant price jump also. Way more expensive than the "comparable" Seiko Prospex.
not all come with sapphire crystal. get the 4th generation or some limited edition.
seiko have lost their way with the 5 sport with its SKX prices. Citizen is the new dive watch OG.
Ya era hora!! Un reloj para gente normal
I just purchased the Asia Limited model with white dial. It's quite a nice watch.
Please Citizen, make this is black face and all black bezel!
Love the red bezel! Wish they’d make a 40mm model. It’s just too big at 44mm.
Honestly, these look like the Orient Kamasu. They are 42mm really wears like 40mm and is much affordable.
it wears small. I have a ny0119 and i had to measure it to see if it is 44mm since by its looks it looks like 42mm or smaller.
All looks fabulous 🤗
Love it! Been waiting for a review of this watch! I love 44+ inch watches since I don't have baby wrist like most people apparently 🤣
I'm definitely going to look at these and he'll I'll probably grab one some day, but do all diver's HAVE to be 44mm cases? I wish seiko or citizen would make a 40mm diver like the zelos mako v3
Perfect watch .
Amazing looking watches. But once again, the size is the deterrent for me.
Great video 🔥. Thanks to you I’m learning a lot about watch 🙏🏻
Not for me. 44mm way too large not to be a chronograph IMO. Colours are nice. Price would be more attractive around $350-$400. Nice video, Teddy.
Teddy big fan , bought prx 80 blue , oris date relief , rado true secret, just after watching your reviews, just trying to start a "collection" as Mr Kevin would say lol great dou , very much inspired with watches now , just one request if possible will you consider to review my both other watches other than prx so I can admire them more just watching your review again and again, much love , thanks a lot brother for great content 🌝
Overall nice look and specs, but fairly large for modern tastes (I personally have no problem with it). For $500 the bracelet/clasp is not great, and in your macro shots, the hands are pretty rough around the edges.
That gold and silver 👌👌
i would like to see your vies on the citizen Aqualand
I would love a smaller version for my 17cm wrists :(
Great video
I thought a watch was just a watch. Until I found Teddy’s channel 👍🏽
I know it’s not ISO rated, but definitely prefer my Kamasu for less money.
Is It for wearing on the right hand ?
I own 15 Citizen Eco-Drive watches including two divers: BN0191-55L & CA0719-53 Chrono Diver. I do not like that these new automatic divers do not have a fold-over safety clasp for the bracelet version. The styling is not offensive to me, but I prefer my current Citizens, Orient/Orient Star, Bulova and Glycine divers. I do not own any Seiko divers.
Hi,what do you think about citizen bm7570-80L? Does it worth it?
Nice. But talkin about Citizen, i can see only the great eco-drive movement.
First things first... why is the crown at 8 o'clock?
I recently got a brand new Promaster Fugu. Pretty disappointed in the movement as the rotor keeps spinning with just a flick of the wrist... is that normal for citizen automatics? I got a asia limited edition titanium & paid a premium over the regular versions & the movement is worse than my seiko 5
Hello Omer. Asslamo Alikum, what is the model number of your watch? infact i am getting this watch here in pakistan.So i want your recommendation. Thanks
My Fugu doesn't do that. Probably is damaged
i have the full lume dial. so glad its not eco drive!
just that the day/date bit small but very good overall..
Should have the 9000's movement.
Cool
This is literally a seiko sped 5
Is it affordable
Bn2038 how?
Can someone tell me if a CONTINENTAL watch is a quality watch
I have a few thousand to spend on a watch, and I like the idea of owning a nice watch, but In researching I've also become quite attracted to the idea of having a number of watches to choose between each day and for different situations. Would you guys go for a higher end watch or a number of lower end watches?
100% id go with the higher end watch. You can always add to your collection 1 at a time with lower cost fun watches later if you want.
Id personally rather have a few $500 watches than one $1500 watch
I'd buy one nicer watch with the money. Quality is better than quantity.
I like these, but I really like the Eco-Drive Divers. When I think Citizen, I think phenomenal solar quartz movements. Give me a sapphire crystal on one of those and it’s a home run tool watch.
Closest option, though not strictly a diver, is the Citizen pro master land PMD56-2952.. proper tool watch style. 39mm. Titanium. Downsides: JDM, bit funky to get the radio-control feature to work outside Japan.
Considering the fact that citizen dive watches crush at depths far below their rating in pressure tests, saphire isn't necessary. It would just needessly jack the price up.
@@MercilessGuitar151 Crush might not be the best word to use there! Lol. But you're right!! It does add to the cost. I suppose the sapphire is really just for the anti scratch resistance. I dive myself and have a couple of Citizens, the mineral glass on one of them is fine but the other one took a big scratch across the face from a rock outcrop. I was able to change it out, but for divers scrabbling around on the ocean floor, sapphire is offering that extra protection.
Citizen Eco-Drive Promaster Diver Titanium 43mm Watch BJ7111-51M
These have sapphire glass. 👌
@@mattturner2645 just looked it up, and that’s a really cool watch! Thanks!
This video is great man! As a workin man I am not going to be buying multi thousand dollar watches (the absolute most I would ever spend on a watch is around $1000 give or take). Its nice to see you covering a brand like citizen who makes quality, dependable, and nice watches for the workin man. Much appreciated Sir 👍 and yes I am a fan of Citizen watches obviously heh.
It's great to see Citizen finally cater to the desires of watch enthusiasts beyond the basic expectations of Japan's salary men.
Citizen has been on a roll lately with their new line of automatic pieces.
Being a NAUI Certified diver since 1979 and a USA Swim Coach since United States Swimming was formed, you would think I would have a dive watch, but I don't! This Citizen Promaster looks like it would fit in my budget, and I do like the different look of the bezel.
Not attractive.. Too big and too expensive for humble diver watch..
These look pretty nice, and I'm liking the 8204 movement. I own the original 8203 equipped Promaster, probably from the 90s, and it does look very similar, so I probably won't be rushing out to get one of these, but it's nice to see Citizen listening to the enthusiasts.
Yeah...they got everything right but the size. Come on, just use your 41mm 20mm lug width case! The original 41mm ProMaster wears so good, and way better than the SKX or Seiko 5. As it is, at 44, I have no interest in it. Like at all.
I agree. Looking at all these reviewers praising these things, and it's like... They literally had the perfect sized watch case for a diver and they beefed it up for no reason. So that makes me not interested in it at all. If they had kept the original dimensions I probably would have gotten one.
Hey y'all some of us just have larger wrists than you do and really do appreciate the existence of larger divers. I wear a 43mm diver and it fits me about the same as a 40mm diver fits the slender wrists of the average watch reviewer. Just because it isn't for you doesn't mean it's for no one.
@@thomasdavis8117 And you have plenty of options. Mainstream options. Just when watches were starting to get smaller, here they go getting bigger again. And what makes this worse is they took away a 41mm option and replaced it with a 44. The market quite simply is oversaturated with divers catering to your wrist size. Citizen had a perfectly sized one, they just lacked colors and specs. When they finally release a model with colors and updated specs, gone is the perfect size and it's beefed up. That's the issue.
@@caomhan84 there is no such thing as a perfect size as there is so much variation in taste and wrist size and I would argue the market leans towards 40mm divers in the style of the submariner more than it does for large divers. I'm sorry this watch isn't for you but there are literally so many options for 40mm divers and fewer than you think in this size. Again just because it isn't for you doesn't mean that there aren't people out there who appreciate the upsize.
@@thomasdavis8117 I'll have to disagree with you about where the market is trending. Because I've observed over the last 20 years where it's gone and it's definitely gone larger. Again, my issue is less with this being a size "for me" and more about them deleting a size and replacing it with a bigger one. Which has been a trend in almost every company from Seiko to Omega and even Rolex (Even the submariner has gotten beefy in the last 7 years). When I said mainstream options, I mean mainstream companies that are easy to buy from. Microbrands don't really count because they aren't easy to buy from. Micro brand watches are not readily available.
I won’t buy a watch without a sapphire crystal. And yes, it’s about scratch protection. At this price, I expect it.
These do have sapphire crystal.
Citizen finally listened: they made a Seiko!
😂
Oh snap! 🫰
The seconds hand alignment suggests a hidden partnership with Casio
I think Citizen targeting enthusiasts is great. I love the Toyota motors cars and I love Nissian Cars. It will help to calm Seiko rising prices too. It is more fun to have Nissian 240sx, 300z, 370z, Skyline GTR and Toyota Supra, LFA, MR2, Celica, and GR86 on the market.
Your mom finally listened and made your brother.
While they came running, they essentially fell down 5 yards from the finish line by not using the 9015 movement...what a shame.
good old Citizen
I love most of your videos but you dancing around the size was annoying. Look it's a wide watch and its gonna wear like a wide watch. Quit trying to sugar coat it just because you sell it.
I like the bigger size for my large wrist 👍🏼thanks Citizen ,I still got my diver from 94 ,I'm gonna purchase this
44mm is a little large for daily wear. 40-41mm seems to be the sweet spot.
I agree but Citizen aims for masses and they do want big watches. For my medium wrist 6 and 3/4 of inch 40-42mm is ideal.
I’m very happy to be a proud owner of an NY0040 with fully lumed dial. It has an 8204 movement with hacking & hand winding. For me, it’s 42mm diameter is a perfect size.
I'm the same I have the kermit NY0040
Always loved Promaster over SKX
Well, actually I bought a Ny0040, and it is hackable. There is a generation of Ny0040, between 2020 and 2021, that included the movement 8204, instead of the non-hackable 8203. Although the movement is different, on the dial it says 8203, I guess they had extra dials and cases and built a few of them.
I have a NY0085 with mvmt 8203 on the dial but with hackeble 8204 inside.
Same here, it was a pleasant surprise
Ditto, my NY 0040 hacks as well for the reasons you stated, and at 42mm (actually just about 41.5!) is a better fit for my wrist. I tried the new one at a watch store Saturday - very nice but I'm good with my 0040 which is just the right size.
I have 1 too cost £163
500 dollars? I'll just get two Orient Kamasus for that price
Or, 50 Casio Duro
I bought the NY0040 black dial and full lume dial, both under $200. Seikos may look more attractive at first, more flashy. But Citizen, once you acquire a taste for them, I think have a more understated and timeless beauty, The black dial of the NY0040 is so legible, and a beautiful inky, glossy deep black. The full lume is nice, on a generic bracelet, but it is less legible, as Teddy said, it blends in with the dial. The Fugu, actually has more legible hands, longer and with a more defined outline. Both the Fugu and NY0040 series have a case larger than the bezel of 1 or 2 millimeters. So the actual dial look smaller than expected.
I had the SKX007 years ago, but I did not like the flat hour markers and dial. The NY0040 looks more interesting. I have the Eco-Drive BN0151, which is nice and has a better bezel. But the dial of the automatic watches is definitely nicer.
The Seiko watches I really like retail for $1000 or so, I find Citizen's offerings in the sub 500 USD more appealing.
In my opinion, Citizen needs to limit the use of 8 series movements to lower end watches, maybe $250 max. They should be putting 9 series movements in these watches. Frankly, if I were running Citizen, I'd completely phase out the 8 series movements and fully invest in the 9 series to increase production and in turn, lower the cost.
Sure, the 8 series movements are technically on par with Seiko's 4R movements, but Citizen should over deliver by using the 9 series. There's not the same brand equity for Citizen automatics as for Seiko automatics, so going with a superior movement would help steal sales from Seiko.
Also, the size seems too big. I'd expect that Citizen will be adding to it's offerings to better attract those preferring more moderately sized watches.
All of that said, it is great to see Citizen returning to automatics in the US.
Strongly disagree,the 8 series is literally one of the most robust,most proven movements in the world,it's been around since 1977 and most users report excellent accuracy and incredible durability
The black one with the full lume dial looks incredible!
I got a PVd full lume Swiss made highbeat Glycine Airman GMT for less money than this.
i got the full lume non PVD case (non-hacking though) at about 300. The thing is you can get that price if only you are in asia
6 weeks ago I received this very nice watch in titanium. At + 120 seconds per day, it ran too fast. Unfortunately it will take at least 8 weeks until I get my watch back from Citizen Service Center. I hope!
Sweet watch. Need a 40 to 42 mm. As a tech Diver I logged over 200 deep dives with citizen. Every serious or wanna be diver I knew had one of the various models with built in depth gauge!
Recently bought my first Citizen ever, the BN0230 Eco Drive Promaster Dive Orca. The quality and design impress me. It is my go to weekend watch.
Love it! Unfortunately, I'm left handed. So that crown would definitely dig into my right hand.
I own the White dial FUGU and think it is very good. The bezel ailment is perfect and function is +5sec/day. Way to go,Citizen.
This looks great, a few drawbacks, but great. For one at over $500 I'd have liked to have seen a milled clasp. I'd also like to see a smaller version as well, especially for those of us who like the styling though can't accommodate a watch this size. Fantastic work with the review and it's nice to see more affordable pieces on the channel.
@Blair Bowden nice, you'll have to share where you get them so cheap, I'd definitely love to get hands on with one
I agree totally, I think at this price point it should have a milled clasp.
Just buy the older version. It's 41.5mm and cost around £150. There are some for £172 on Amazon t the mo & some on ebay for £180. I got mine for £163 Jan with the 8204 movement
500+ $ with no milled clasp and a miyota 8000 series lol come on man that's embarrassing. You have 250$ watches with 9000 series or pt5000s. This is a non starter. Another example of big brands trying to get away with overcharging for subpar watches. I'd go micro brand no contest.
I'll wait until they start showing in ebay for 300.
Thanks! Looking forward your review of Longines Spirit Zulu Time.
I might be biased but my NY0040 looks better :-)
Stop putting these shitty pressed clasps on watches a milled one literally costs £3
Teddy - what is the second language on the day wheel on these? Kinda bummed that I bought limited edition fully lumed dial fugu NY0138-14X not long ago and then they basically release the same watch (NY0155-58X).
Excellent review Teddy, good looking watches, I have a couple of the older ones and still in regular diving use. Sapphire is adding to the price as someone here mentioned, but having scratched one of mine on a rock outcrop I think on balance the extra cash to get sapphire is a good idea. Still, they are probably leaning a bit towards the expensive side for what they are. I imagine that deals will be available further down the road, so might not be necessary to pay full retail. I got a $110 off a Seiko Prospex with sapphire recently in a Seiko AD in Istanbul (fully lined up, I only buy Seiko's I can inspect!) so it might be worth waiting a bit to see if any bargains appear.
Sapphire is available on watches at £90. This is three times that. It’s just bad form not being sapphire
I have never understood how the dive watches got so mainstream. I don't dive. I have no use for a dive watch. They are bulky and ugly to me.
I own one bnib dive watch and I have never worn it. I know it's me but I honestly don't understand the appeal.
The size is fine Teddy. It's an effing dive watch bro. Citizen/Seiko, customers like large dive watches. Not meant for girls.
Damn, so much hate on anything over 41mm. As someone with bigger arms and good sized set of hooker chokers, I need this in 44mm; should be delivered Thursday 👍🏻
it wears smaller than 44mm. it looks like 42mm
Great review I just bought citizen promaster ny0140-80ee review, does someone know what is the main difference between this watch and the fugu line. Mechanism is the same also the sapphire christal and the bracelet but it is cheeper. Thank you in advance!
I got the 42mm Fugu in 2018, I haven’t had a better driver on my 6.5” wrist, it’s just perfect with slender lugs and that non-angular case shape that just melts on the wrist.
I wouldn’t swap it for a 44mm for sure.
Awesome video, Teddy. I managed to find a brand new one for $325. Although I think 44 case size is kinda big, I could not pass it up.
Just found one for $258!
I’m pleased to have the eco-drive diver in my rotation but theses automatics are tempting. Thanks
I am getting the eco-drive also. I do like 8 o’clock of the stem though.
It's a left hand drive Seiko! I love it!
Asian FUGU divers have even worse clasp. Finally…it’s about time. However, stop making watches so big. I have an 8” wrist, and I still prefer 40-42mm diameters. My oldest dive watches are Citizen’s. They last forever. I wish there were more options for bracelets. To me the one flaw in their designs has always been bracelets. Teddy, great video. Thanks for the efforts.
The review I've been waiting for. As a Citizen fan with a BN0150 and a BJ7111-51M in my collection, I was keen to see Teddy's review. On the whole, I like the look of this new range, however, upgrade the crystal and downgrade the clasp is a mistake. I think I'd struggle with the accuracy too, my Citizen Quartz models and my 16 year old Planet Ocean beat it. The one I'm really looking forward to is the Citizen Challenge Diver, which I believe is being released in the summer.
Great watches. I have the white dial version Fugu and love it even if it doesnt hack. ( 8203) I noticed the green dial version in your review was a 8203 movement as well. ( unless it was just on the dial ) Good review thank you ..
Could you do a review on the Tag Heuer Aquaracer professional 300m 36 mm….awesome videos as always!!
Citizen Promaster (Fugu) < SEIKO King Turtle for the price.
I always thought the first Fugus were 42mm not 44mm.
I can't get used to the crown being at 8 o'clock.