Discover the Timepiece You Should've Bought Years Ago
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- CITIZEN PRO MASTER - DON'T Buy Titanium Till You See This!
In 2023, The steel Citizen Promaster offers the best value for money divers watch on the market! Its a lost relics from the 90's but still holds its own in watch enthusiasts opinion!
But! how much more expensive is a titanium version and is it better?
LET'S GET INTO IT!
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Fun fact: when the italian navy was looking for a new watch for their special forces (COMSUBIN), they only accepted ISO-divers with -500m.
So Citizen send their standard NY0040 with a new dial (saying 500m instead of 200m) - and won.
The COMSUBIN used it for a decade.
When it is good enough for these guys, it sure is good enough for me... :)
Love this!!!!
Really?..Cooool.. I love little 'Factoids' like this when it comes to Watches, You ain't gonna get a better Selling point for a Watch nerd than 'Special Forces Approved'.
I have some great deals on Italian rifles. They’ve only been dropped once!
I really want this to be true!! 💪🏼😅👍🏼
The Urban Gentry did a really good video on this ,(the Marina Militare’s choice) about Citizen.
I missed the boat on an affordable SKX, so I instead picked up a blue Citizen NY0040. It was my first automatic watch and my first dive watch. This year, I picked up a jubilee-style bracelet from Long Island Watch and now it's prefect. I'll never get rid of it. I've always been a fan of Citizen. I'm happy to see more reviews!
Exactly the same as me, grabbed the blue NY as I’d missed the SKX boat. And I’m glad I did miss that boat
Anyone remember when a SKX was well under a hundred quid in 1996
I thought the same thing I never was super into the SKX because of the outdated movement I really could care less about hacking, but I do like the hand winding. I actually ended up getting an SKX later on this year, but I actually bought the citizen watch. I still believe the citizen has a better watch having Been able to enjoy both of them
Ok, newer watch guy here. Can somebody tell me what hacking is and why I care about it?
@@davidbennett4395 A watch movement that hacks means that when you pull the crown out to set the time, the seconds hand stops. Some older or more privative movements do not hack. The benefit is that you can set your watch very precisely. Another benefit is that you can turn the hands forward or backward. If the seconds hand does not hack, you should avoid turning the hands back in time.
Ah, so you're finally getting into Citizen! To me it is one of the best value watch brands out there. Seiko is long gone as the value king and Citizen has a better and more affordable alternative for pretty much every Seiko. This NY0040s or the more expensive Fugus for the discontinued SKX, the incredible NB1050 (sapphire, duratect, 4hz movement, pins and collars, etc) for the long gone SARB033 or the current Presage range, the Tsuyosa for 200ish bucks is certainly better than every Seiko 5 out there, etc. They have pretty much eerything you can expect in the Eco Drive range - be it diver's (that cost 200ish bucks and not 500 like the solar dive watches from Seiko), field watches, chronographs, GMTs, whatever....and all of them are pretty affordable. They also have very cool out-of-the-box dive watches like the Aqualand JP2000 (a true icon! and then again I'd say superior to a Seiko Arnie and costing half of it), the Orca, the Ecozilla (I'd say that it is a great alternative to the solar Tunas). They have some cool bullhead chronos as well (quartz and JDM excluvies tho). They just released 4hz automatic true GMTs for around 1k. They are masters in working with titanium and with the duratect coatings. I could go on...
@tiagodvt
What a load of utter garbage.
Shite U write, just like all Seiko haters
Idiot
If you want a mechanical watch seiko beats citizen in every way. If you want quartz or solar citizen beats seiko. Its about preference neither is objectively better than the other.
@anton0529 I disagree. On the lower end, Citizen offers way better watches than Seiko. Even with mechanical movements. They have true dive watches for 200ish bucks, Seiko doesn't. They have integrated bracelet watches for 200bucks, with sapphire and bracelets and solid links (with the Seiko 5 you get hardlex and folded links). These days you have to spend well over 1k to get a proper Seiko, unfortunately. And I'm not even gonna talk about their QC problems. Their days are long gone, sadly. Used to love the brand and it was Seiko that made me fall in love with watches back in the day. I still own 4 of them. But I don't think I'll buy another in the near future.
I have a pro master diver. Wearing it now. Automatic movement is very accurate. Love it.
Better Bezel than an Omega, if this was £200 with a sapphire I would buy it, but as it stands il still buy it anyways lol
You will be buying the NY0141-10L then 👌
They have Fugu limited models that go with sapphire! I am considering to buy one soon :)
@@FPC588The only drawback (for some) might be a slightly larger case. Anyway, it suits my wrist perfectly.
Yours is BY FAR the most entertaining channel on UA-cam!
I have a pro master diver solar powered. I've had it in the Atlantic Ocean Numerous times, pools, lakes, dinner parties, movies, weddings, parties, etc... love it.
I'd get the stainless steel on rubber strap and stick it on a quality rubber strap or NATO strap.
Your a gem, not only do you give excellent information but you cheer me up, thank you.
Thank you my friend!!
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A Citizen NY0040 was my daily driver and only watch all through my 20s.
I recently bought the citizen NY0130-08E 'Fugu' ,it has a yellow chapter ring and is a 44mm watch but wears like a 42mm ,one of the best watches pound for pound I've bought and I own some expensive watches, but the citizen is a solid no nonsense diver 😊
For those people who would rather die than scratch their watch best not use your seatbelt. Disclaimer, use your seatbelt!
Let's be honest, Citizen was killing it with their dive watches.
354K likes AFTER 35 minutes?!?!? Holy cow! 🎉 I just ordered one of the 37mm Promaster’s for the wife. I’ve had a steel and a super titanium from Citizen for years. The Titanium is really good. That coating does a great job! For the record, I’m left handed, and I STILL flip it upside down to wind. 😂
Can’t get over the crown on the “wrong” side🤷🏼♂️. I own the eco drive version, and it is a heavy weight beater- it can take everything and chew it! It is not the loveliest piece in my collection. But it is not intended to..
Titanium is also for people who need to wear hypoallergenic watches or they get nasty itchy blister rashes.
I cant wear stainless steel or gold plated watches, i need to clear coat the back of a case if it is steel. After market straps, Nato straps and Titanium watches are my world 😐
The NY0085-86E has been my beater for the last three years, love this watch, there's just something very endearing about it. It's well made and wears really well. The bracelet is often slagged off for its rolled links and perceived cheapness, I disagree with this, it's pretty sturdy and not a hair puller. And the on the fly adjustment system is reliable and a godsend in the Summer months. What's not to love.
I'll always have one of those in my collection, my favourite watch of all
Nice to see Citizen getting some love. Do you reckon youll get a Series 8 GMT to look at soonish?
Yeah but titanium is more scratch resistant. Titanium is far superior
I am enjoying your video here in Barcelona while it is finally raining, super! The titanium would be my choice by the way
The 8 o-clock crown is a feature I wish all watches had. I wear my watch on me left wrist and a 3 or 4 o-clock crown always digs into my wrist.
How do you only have 80k subscribers! I've only just discovered your videos - they're brilliant!
put the black one on a black NDC strap and you got yourself the ultimate military dive watch look
Ooooo yes!!!!
Definitely the lume should be on the tip of the seconds hand because you know…the divers like to time their death to the second 😂
I´d go stainless for the price! I already did... But a Solar powered quartz with black bezel and dial with the bonus of the crown on the right side... ☺ And mine also has waaayyy better bracelet with an awesome milled clasp.
Citizen is a huge conglomerate, there is just thousand of watches to choose and so much variations.
This year series8 batman is probably watch of the year for me,you need to get your hands on one of those for review.
Btw,most of Citizens with left crown are automatic while those with right crown are solar.
Two unpopular opinions - 1) 60 click bezels are better than 120 click bezels, 2) The "cheap" stainless steel Citizen bracelet is awesome. I've got an NY0040 and an NY0086 Pepsi. Together they were less than $400, and they are my favorite watches.
I almost 90% agree!;)
I am not a dive watch guy, but there's something about these Citizens, even their Eco-drive equivalents. They look like they belong on a diver's wrist, as opposed to, say, a Submariner or Pelagos.
I’m a lefty so the crown being there is a novelty bonus to me.. and its signed too😱
My only complaint on these is the lume on the hands. Little spotty on mine.
I got the NY0141 which looks exactly the same (except 4 being blue) for ~200€ and that’s got sapphire
This chap is off his rocker! But in a good way, i smile all through his videos! Definitely the most down to earth original watch reviewer on the net, and the only one I'd sit down with and have a few beers!!!
Keep up the good work, and thanks for making me smile! Oh, I'd choose the stainless steel one also, which i do own sitting next to the SKX.
I like ti watches. Easy choice for me. I only have two citizen divers.
A steel eco drive promaster on a blue rubber strap. Handsome tool watch.
The other a bit uncommon. Orange ti promaster eco drive. Really nice finished ti watch. I have it on a blue canvas strap. The sixty click bezel on both? Not my favorite. Seems quirky
I bought the NY0040, I was shocked when it arrived. I thought I was sent a woman's watch by mistake.
I wore that watch for about 8 years straight 20+ years ago. Now it's just too small for my tastes. It's smaller than the SKX and even that is a tad small for me these days.
Ny0040 = best value for money
Currently wearing the old ny0040.. tested to 500m for the Italian navy.. absolute beast.. one of my top 5 ‘apocalypse’ watches
Watching Citizens, al though dangerous behind the wheel... can still serve a purpose!
Citizen is now what Seiko was, and that is cool
My recommendation is the aqua land citizen, pro master diver. It’s always been my go to free dive watch because it has a depth sensor.
Bought the coke you have on the rubber strap and absolutely love it🤟
Another informative and entertaining video!
I bought an NY-0040-17L a month or so ago. It’s a fantastic watch. I love the retro look of it and its pedigree. I also bought mine on Jomashop when they were doing a sale. $159 for a great diver with the credentials to back it up.
Love when you say "Hello" with the small doll hand. It's the best part of your videos. Greetings from Murcia, Spain. You are the best reviewing watches. Un abrazo maquina. Ya esperando el siguiente.
Really interesting comparison MWC. I’m with you on not being that into titanium. I know a lot of watch enthusiasts love a bit of Ti but it does nothing for me unfortunately.
Awesome show as ever 👏👏👏👏
Thanks Gareth!! It’s one in the bank
Ti is so last year...have you tried Coltan? 🤔
I have a jdm citizen pro master and I love it! Perfect alignment and immaculate finishing on the case! Love the accuracy and grab and go appeal of the eco drive over my automatics!
I recently purchased the eco drive Promaster and really like it. I’d go with the stainless one if choosing another Promaster. Great video. Have a great day!
I gotta be honest mate. When I first saw one of your videos. You bloody irritated me!
But you’ve won me over and I really love your content and on screen character!
I got the SKX too at first, but I've always wanted the Citizen too which also has a bit of pedigree as it was used by the Marina Militare as TGV always points out. So I did the same with the Flightmaster and got the Nighthawk, etc...Citizen makes amazing pieces, I love them as much as I love Seiko, they're the dependable younger brother and Seiko is the older wilder brother who's found success but it's getting a bit cocky moving upmarket.
It's amazing he's just now finding out about all these great watches that alot of us have known about and also alot of us have owned for years. It's cool he's finally finding out about all these watches. I thing we should put in the comments all these classic watch that have Been out for years so can look into them. Lately I've been getting the feeling he very unaware of alot of the well know classics.
‘HE’?? Who do you think sees the comments straight away numbnutz? Did I ever say I was an expert????? Did I ever say I’ve seen them all????? What would the point of carrying on if I did????? I’m here to learn every week! Get this!! I review watches I’ve never held or worn before!!! That’s how you learn and experience new things!!!! What I would say , due to me being very lucky for the last couple of years I’ve been privy to seeing a lot of watches . It still doesn’t change the fact if you had this watch next to an SKX I’d still choose the Seiko?!?!! But it doesn’t stop me from experiencing does it. ‘HE’
They are like you humble tools in your garage. My old Dremel isn't fancy, has zero bling compared to new models, and is still made exactly the same boring gray color. But it works. And these watches are similar. Not fancy, simple construction, meant to just work.
Though, yes, their lume is odd. If I was an actual diver, I'd get the Ecodrive model of this with the rubber band and better second hand ( BN0163-00H or similar) for a little more money. The reason divers use those bands is they never slide around on a wet suit or fall off if bumped and are a cheap replacement item.
EDIT - the BN0151-09L is the same thing in a more understated blue. Upgrading to the Ecodrive, better strap, and better second hand is a must for actual divers. But as a fashion watch for the rest of us who will just swim around with it, this reviewed model is nice enough. :)
I actually still own the SKX009 but just recently purchased the Citizen’s NY0086 and love this watch. Wearing now as a matter of fact . I still love my SKX009 but I gotta say this NY0086 is amazing 🤩
Well, noticing the second hand "pip" is not on the Titanium version, I was sure you'd pick that one! I would!
Do you still have your SKX009? If so I'd sell bothe Citizens and get a different brand (micro-brand) or maybe a more expensive Citizen.
The skx009 is inferior to both citizens
Citizen Eco Drive Diver's E168-S111501
Go-to watch when I snorkel, and I snorkel A LOT!
They still have the 12 o clock pants.
Didn’t buy either ;)
I'm sure one of these would grow on me if I was given one as a gift, but so many design aspects of this model just don't appeal. Also, I'd never pay extra for titanium to save the weight of a fairly advanced Casio. I don't feel the 20 grams of my F-91W, and barely feel the 33 grams of my WV-59J Wave Ceptor.
Someone got a fugu bug... Best tool watch after the SKX discontinuation. The original ny004(x) series with the updated movment are still the ones going for tho...
Great comparison. I must attest, YES, that lume pip on the back end of the seconds hand is a hardcore "L" and a real head-scratching design choice. Seiko DressKX has entered the chat.
There are so many versions of this watch 😅 I own a 44mm steel one with sappire glass and green lume with 120 clicks. Think mine is about 250€ could be also an alternative for some people. I love it as my daily watch 😊 and it wears much more than a 42mm instead of it's true 44mm.
How come you didn’t review the Seiko Prospex SNE watches? A perfect solar powered divers on my opinion, and on my budget 😅
I guess this titanium thing has the famous TICC . That coating usually keeps the watch looking like new for ages - unless you're mad :-)
1st placed Badger🎉🎉🎉
Thanks mister mad person you have just cost me £190 for the blue faced one…😂😂. Love your channel keep it up👍
I just got a Citizen cb5860-19e and I'm thrilled with it - under £300 from some retailers at the moment - Sapphire Glass - 316L Steel - Chrono and Alarm function - 200m WR and best of all its Radio Controlled. Just put it on my wrist and everything sets itself automatically, even DST, Brilliant! (I still love my sexy Seiko Arnie reissue though:-)))
Their super titanium duractect coating is pretty much marketing bs. I've owned three watches with it, and all three scratched the same as a bog standard stainless steel.
Seatbelt buckles are a major menace to my watch collection.
My wife is the main one, though.
I don't understand why nobody talks about the NY0141 or NY0140, same design but with sapphire crystal and 120 clicks bezel under 300. The NY0040 is an excellent watch. And it wears beautiful even on smaller wrists, just put a NATO strap on it. Wears way better than the SKX.
And please stop with the "pants" bulsh!t... If your underwear looks like this you're definitely living in the 80’s😂😂
Cestrian dive 2. Sapphire, 300m, super lume, reliable nh35 auto, £150. Fair play if you want the official dive cert though.
What will happen once the Mad Watch Collector discovers the Certina DS Action Diver? Esp. the 38mm models. What will happen to his Tudor?
I had no trouble teaching an old dog new tricks ... I did have a problem convincing him to do them as he had no interest in doing them just to please me
Am I the only one that prefers pressed clasps? Lighter and slimmer. Chunky milled clasps don't do it for me unless they're done really well.
I bought the Coke version for 200 euros and I really like them. Best bang for the buck for sure. Nice looking proper tool watch. The best Seiko diver is Citizen Promaster hahaha.
Thanks for the video. Enjoyable as always. Dollar for dollar, I would buy an Aragon DM4 over this watch.
I've got the Titanium NY01000-50XE as I am allergic to nickel and in the summer time if I wear a 316L watch I can have a skin reaction to the stainless... I wish the had made a black starburst dial Ti version to some extent.
I bought the eco drive version in titanium, online, without seeing the watch live. Like you I don’t really like it: looks like aluminium that’s been through the dishwasher, and the lack of heft is actually a minus for me. I do appreciate the hypoallergenic potential though. I wouldn’t buy another.
'd personally rather the eco drive promaster. 38mm, crown on the correct side and date only
And both well under the price of a certain plastic SWATCH, I know where I would put my money
You're definitely on drugs but I like you talking about watches. Carry on.
Hey, why don't you review the pro diver Eco drive quarts movement version with the polyurethane band. That's the watch.
I want one so so much.... It'll prove invaluable when I'm doing the washing up!
I noticed the hands are different on the titanium.
Great episode. My choice is the steel Eco-Drive Promaster model BN0151. Crackin' good watch on a rubber strap, love the blue dial and I got it new for $123 US (grey market). It's been my favorite watch this summer. Has taken a beating and not a mark on it so far. Cheers!
BN0151
Really nicely done review. Now, I have to buy the stainless version! Love that splash of red on the bezel and I need a bracelet during these balmy days of summer.
Have mine on the blue dial and with rubber strap. Hell of a watch!
So explain to me why watch society/community doesn't use anodized Ti or coatings like TiN?
Sounds like you know more than me man. Is because of their reactions to skin?
@@THEMADWATCHCOLLECTOR have a relatively tangential knowledge of it, anodizing Ti produces beautiful blues, purples, greens, and golds. It's a titanium oxide, so I am guessing the reaction on skin is deminimus.
Titanium Nitride coating I can't speak to, it is used on steel barrels because of hardness. It leaves a beautiful gold appearance.
Your wife is straight up spitting FLAME with every video! She would have been the terror of the trenches on the Western Front, bro!
Citizen rules! 💪🍻
👎👎👎 only because of the UA-cam ads.
Just think of it as payment for my efforts my friend. Can’t do this for free anymore
That was my first real watch, bought it 2000, it’s still running.
I put mine on a nice color matched FKM tropic. Love it and very comfortable.
do they have same lug to lug? also both 20mm strap?
Was it not the ny0040 that came out at that competed with the SKX? Very similar though.
Seiko have missed a trick here in the entry level. Citizen probably can’t believe their luck!
The only negative thing I can point out about these watches is that they're ugly but I mean, they really are fugly.
could you please review the seiko srpd27k1 ? ❤
Mee-Yoh-Tah (御代田), like Miyagi. Mee-Yah-Gee.
You are BONKERS 🤩🔥👍🏻
Yes
In all fairness Superman wore his pants on the outside of his outfit, how bad could it be to have pair on a watch?
Just get the eco drive quartz pro master if you want the crown on the right side.
Unfortunately the crown is on the wrong side and at 8!!!!!!
Pawn shop. Enterprise,Alabama. 92$ out the doe.
Titanium not necessary.
Yes!