Personally I think that bikes like the tracer or the Turismo Veloce are different kind of bikes to the GSXS 1000GT and the Ninja 1000SX, the former are more like sport-trails to me
Wouldn't completely agree with you after having both "classes". Tracer is higher than Ninja for example and with it you get more legroom(knee more open, comfortable), more upright position, more upper body wind protection, more counter-steering initial input(directly drops the bike) and, with that height it also does some off road. The Ninja puts the knees more bent because of it's more "compact", lower position. It also has probably slightly better lower body wind protection because of side panels. It's initial counter steer is less prominent due to tighter handlebar but than it makes your "body lean" sportier. Both are amazing bikes and one should definitely test them to decide. Both are great sport tourers where Tracer seems to be a bit of everything with accent on comfort and Ninja a bit of everything with accent on sport. All the best. 🖐️
In America the out the door price of the Ducati multistrada V4 is almost twice the cost of the Yamaha tracer 9 gt. This is why I bought the Yamaha tracer 9 gt.
Hands down a totally smart investment. If I were to downsize from my Super Tenere, it would very likely be the Tracer 9 GT. And yes,, I'm a Yamaha fan boy 😉. How is the machine serving you so far??
Also to mention the cost of ownership, i.e. maintenance is twice the cost. Also, the reliability of the Tracer 9 GT is a big factor. No fun "touring" when your stuck in the middle of nowhere. I don't know this...but what octane is recommended in each bike?
The V4 has got more to it than power. If you don't feel like unleashing all 170 ponies, you can just sit back and enjoy the quiet smoothness of the engine. 😊 Something the V2 can not offer, at least not in the same matter.
I have ridden2 multistrada 1200 twins over 60,000 miles and I find them very good back roads and touring bikes !! Got our 2015 with extras and 21,000 miles for 10 grand!! Can't stop putting gas in it!! 😀😀😀😀😀🏍🏍🏍🏍🏍🍺🍺🍺🍺
Best value and look (yes! the look!) is by far the Yamaha Tracer 9 GT. I have never had such a great bike with a killing engine. You should mention the price of these bikes.
The Z1000SX has been around for 11 years not 8, also the real order based on overall performance handling and comfort is V4 Multi then Ktm 1290 gt and S1000xr fighting for second and third.
Damn. Where I live, that Multistrada V4 costs more than twice the price of the Honda NT 1100 and the Suzuki GSX S1000 GT. Definitely not an option for me.
The non-factory version of the Aprilia Tuono 1100 would get my vote for a sports tourer if the sports part of the package is more important than the touring part.
I bought the base model Tuono on the 5th December & did 3,000 Kilometres b4 Xmas riding the Victoria high country in a very SPORTY manner see vids on my channel
if they had CC and decent true hard sided luggage and a less fugly rack when bags are off, I'd have one in my garage. Haven't ridden one, but sat on them a few times. Gorgeous bikes.
A beautiful MV for sure but comfortable for a touring not so sure about that. The BMW R1250RS is a very nice bike but it's styling is a bit of let down to me. Nobody is seriously taking this bikes further off road than a hard packed dirt or gravel road. I voted for and bought the Triumph 900 GT Pro and after a year and half I would buy it again...on road single and two touring it's great.
The BMW R1250RS is not designed for off road. Sure, you could ride down a decent dirt fire road, no problem, like any other street bike. Maybe it's the BMW GS you're talking about?
How does the GT Pro handle a packed dirt or gravel road? I do love the green colour of the Rally Pro, but it has a higher seat height for my vertically challenged legs!
@@surferdude642 Thanks Ted. Will organise a test ride. Tried a Tiger 900 GT Pro, but just wasn’t interesting/exciting enough. Seat height is 830mm and can be less with a lower seat. I’ve got a Tenere 700, but decided it’s too heavy/high CoG for my skill level for serious off road, so will stick to renting a CRF 300 for my off road skill building and then focus on road (and it’s some easy dirt/gravel) with my regular bike.
I went for the ninja 1000sx amazing value and super fun. Probably not best for the task when it comes to when wind protection for the screen. Potentially the higher pegs, though I don’t have an issue. To me I love the look of a sports bike and the comfort of a naked bike. That is what this bike is.
Well done and interesting. However, if you’re in the market to buy, isn’t the most important information availability? Not that it’s a reviewer’s fault, but how useful is the data if the bikes aren’t available?
Yeah, I've had a hard time buying anything, including bikes, that I want. Lucked in to a slightly used FE501S, but several other bikes I've looked at are either completely unavailable, or so stupidly marked up that I laugh. $16,000 for a used Tenere 700?!?! WTF! Got used to the age of abundance in my imagination. Now that I have money to spend, I can't actually get the things I want...
I've sat on allot of the bikes on this list and actually ridden a few, it makes me wonder why the Versys 1000 never makes these lists. Actually comfortable for long rides and better than most of these bikes for two up touring. Love the Versys 1000.
What if you change the focus to the best One Up Sport touring/GT 800cc+ motorcycle? I'm thinking T9GT actually takes that top spot ...IMHO (Biased as I own one ) Also for 2023 the T9GT will likely take #1 for the best 800cc+ commuter also as it is getting the radar enhancement and a nicer one screen display....but I expect with inflation and the added feature the price will climb ever higher so if anyone does not commute then will be best to shop deals on left over '21 and '22 T9GTs I managed to buy my new '22 for MSRP alone without any added markup or bogus fees like set up and destination etc
I am looking for a sports tourer and very few reviews mention the height/weight of the rider. At 5'9" I find the Mulistrada bars too far forward and too wide. The same goes for the V85TT not reviewed here. MV Agusta TV fits very well for my height.
What is difference between GT and Sport touring motorcycles? I thought they were synonymous. great list, though I for one think the adv style looks ridiculous. Sticking a high dirt bike style front fender above the typical tire-hugging street fender makes zero sense to me. I'll keep my 1000SX, thanks, though I'd love to own an H2SX!
The Tracer 9 GT may very well be a great bike ... but I couldn't live with the aesthetics, the styling does nowt for me and the split dash is horrible ... even then it's still really tempting though as it offers a lot for the money compared to the others. The Tiger 900 GT Pro would probably be what I'd buy from that list .... but I'd definitely have the Yamaha if it had nicer styling and a more conventional single large TFT
Ugly as sin, I agree. I know you can't see it while riding, but I'd have to distract myself looking at my watch or something every time I'd walk up to it, lol.
I love how everyone has an opinion on why this or that bike should be #1 or another shouldn’t be on the list and the bike they had is the best bike they have ever rode! Unless you have all these bikes and ride them all for a substantial amount of time to make a fair and impartial decision on their rankings, let the pros do that part! They take everything into consideration, such as handling, braking, performance, mpg, comfort and everything else involved in riding in every situation! A bike you thought was the best, you might completely change your mind riding something that you might of despised! I listen to the pros and go in with an opened mind, not already having a bias opinion like to many people seem to!
In my opinion there is a big difference/mistake on the concept of a sport-touring bike...for me a sport-touring bike is a bike that looks sporty and you can go on knee-down trips for a few days and with that in mind a turismo veloce, the NT1100, the Tiger, Tracer and multistrada aren't sport-touring bikes, they are GT bikes with more or less sportiness!
I looked for the Yamaha FJR300, then I remembered, because the FJR did not meet the Euro5 pollution requirements, Yamaha decided to forgo the European market.
It must be really comfort to ride that nt1100 though, but 110 hp feels not enough nowadays, super duke gt might be an animal although it's not known for best reliability. Multistrada is way to expensive, the z1000sx is to sporty for me, but its quality is top notch, the gsx-s1000gt isn't. Tracer would probably win if it had the cp4 engine, so my votes goes for superduke gt anyway
Your reasons for not including either the BMW f900xr or s1000xr made no sense whatsoever. Why not just say your not including them because it’s your list and you don’t have to. You wouldn’t be the first motorcycle journalist to omit BMWs from a top 10 list do to your own personal bias. There is so much inconsistency with motorcycle journalist today that it sours the motorcycle experience and some might find it not worth the trouble especially since it’s a luxury (regardless of price) not a necessity.
You forgot to mention that the Ducati probably uses 50% more fuel than any of the other bikes on the list. I watched a comparison with the 1290 S and the Duc literally used 50% more fuel doing the same speeds. I guess if you can afford a £20k bike fuel economy might not be your biggest concern, but it’s still ridiculous.
You'll never win with such a list, but not too shabby of an attempt. First issue will always be on the scale of Sports > Tourer and ones interpretation. Sports for me means it looks more like the current crop of sports bikes whilst Tourer means ... well you can tour in relative comfort. So the top 2 here are closer to the Tourer and even Adventurer. Whilst the Ninja and Suzuki clone are more Sports. I've owned 3 of these bikes, test ridden all of them and they are all aweosome ... except the Tracer. Worst built bike I have ever owned. And that dash is comical.
As a completely happy owner of the BMW R1200RS, I was glad the newer R1250RS wasn't overlooked on this review, as it is all-too-often in most Sports Tourer reviews...
Yamaha and Honda have proven reliability, also proven time and time again they rein superior to Ducati. You spend less time in shop riding a Honda or Yamaha. Enjoy your overpriced Ducati’s that will get you accustomed to the service advisor and your technician.
Multistrada number one are you kidding me !!! Thats all plasticc from the outside and you pay the highest price jokerr number onee !!! The real number one is Ktm 1290 adventure s !!!!
Personally I think that bikes like the tracer or the Turismo Veloce are different kind of bikes to the GSXS 1000GT and the Ninja 1000SX, the former are more like sport-trails to me
I think so too. That's why they are also called "Crossover" by many companies.
Wouldn't completely agree with you after having both "classes".
Tracer is higher than Ninja for example and with it you get more legroom(knee more open, comfortable), more upright position, more upper body wind protection, more counter-steering initial input(directly drops the bike) and, with that height it also does some off road.
The Ninja puts the knees more bent because of it's more "compact", lower position. It also has probably slightly better lower body wind protection because of side panels. It's initial counter steer is less prominent due to tighter handlebar but than it makes your "body lean" sportier. Both are amazing bikes and one should definitely test them to decide. Both are great sport tourers where Tracer seems to be a bit of everything with accent on comfort and Ninja a bit of everything with accent on sport. All the best. 🖐️
Have to agree. The front 17 inch tyre remains the same on all these three bike. :) Drop by buddy.
In America the out the door price of the Ducati multistrada V4 is almost twice the cost of the Yamaha tracer 9 gt. This is why I bought the Yamaha tracer 9 gt.
Hands down a totally smart investment. If I were to downsize from my Super Tenere, it would very likely be the Tracer 9 GT. And yes,, I'm a Yamaha fan boy 😉.
How is the machine serving you so far??
Also to mention the cost of ownership, i.e. maintenance is twice the cost. Also, the reliability of the Tracer 9 GT is a big factor. No fun "touring" when your stuck in the middle of nowhere. I don't know this...but what octane is recommended in each bike?
And its generally a great machine for half the price. I'd do the same thing. 🙋♂️ Yamaha fan boy here🙋♂️!!
@@justmyself1000 ,, I only run 91oct. in my bikes. Better performance, less detonation/ knocking.
I would believe that's the factory recommendation...
Comparative between Ninja 1000 sx and GSX-S1000GT 🙏
The Multistrada V2S should have made it on this list. The V4 is just way too overkill for me lol
The V4 has got more to it than power.
If you don't feel like unleashing all 170 ponies, you can just sit back and enjoy the quiet smoothness of the engine. 😊
Something the V2 can not offer, at least not in the same matter.
I have ridden2 multistrada 1200 twins over 60,000 miles and I find them very good back roads and touring bikes !! Got our 2015 with extras and 21,000 miles for 10 grand!! Can't stop putting gas in it!! 😀😀😀😀😀🏍🏍🏍🏍🏍🍺🍺🍺🍺
Can't argue much with this list. I'm surprised the H2 SX SE+ didn't make it though.
Busa.
Best value and look (yes! the look!) is by far the Yamaha Tracer 9 GT. I have never had such a great bike with a killing engine. You should mention the price of these bikes.
The Z1000SX has been around for 11 years not 8, also the real order based on overall performance handling and comfort is V4 Multi then Ktm 1290 gt and S1000xr fighting for second and third.
Damn. Where I live, that Multistrada V4 costs more than twice the price of the Honda NT 1100 and the Suzuki GSX S1000 GT. Definitely not an option for me.
I wish they had considered the Multistrada V2S in the list.
How about the Multistrada V2 S rather than the V4? A bit more affordable and probably more than enough power for most situations. What do you think?
The non-factory version of the Aprilia Tuono 1100 would get my vote for a sports tourer if the sports part of the package is more important than the touring part.
Just described a Kawasaki
I bought the base model Tuono on the 5th December & did 3,000 Kilometres b4 Xmas riding the Victoria high country in a very SPORTY manner see vids on my channel
I bought a 2022 BMW 1250 R/T and It is a nice bike, plenty of power with excellent handling.
Nt 1100 is love💗
For me the Ducati Supersport is #1. Just shows how we all value different aspects of riding.
It's the best looking bike of the bunch, imo. Just a little more emphasis on sport.
if they had CC and decent true hard sided luggage and a less fugly rack when bags are off, I'd have one in my garage. Haven't ridden one, but sat on them a few times. Gorgeous bikes.
Currently ride mt09 for fun. Will start commuting incl motorway. Thoughts on least wind noise?
Good balanced review by mixing the negatives in too.
Thanks
A beautiful MV for sure but comfortable for a touring not so sure about that. The BMW R1250RS is a very nice bike but it's styling is a bit of let down to me. Nobody is seriously taking this bikes further off road than a hard packed dirt or gravel road. I voted for and bought the Triumph 900 GT Pro and after a year and half I would buy it again...on road single and two touring it's great.
The BMW R1250RS is not designed for off road. Sure, you could ride down a decent dirt fire road, no problem, like any other street bike. Maybe it's the BMW GS you're talking about?
@@surferdude642 I'm only referring to sport touring and touring.
How does the GT Pro handle a packed dirt or gravel road? I do love the green colour of the Rally Pro, but it has a higher seat height for my vertically challenged legs!
@@tahirsharif9461 It should be fine for that. With a 19 inch front wheel, it's better than a pure street focused machine.
@@surferdude642 Thanks Ted. Will organise a test ride. Tried a Tiger 900 GT Pro, but just wasn’t interesting/exciting enough. Seat height is 830mm and can be less with a lower seat.
I’ve got a Tenere 700, but decided it’s too heavy/high CoG for my skill level for serious off road, so will stick to renting a CRF 300 for my off road skill building and then focus on road (and it’s some easy dirt/gravel) with my regular bike.
THE SUZUKI GSX 1000 GT OR THE NINJA 1000 ARE BY FAR THE BEST VALUE. IF MONEY IS NO PROBLEM THEN THE B.M.W. R1250RS BECAUSE IT'S A SHAFT DRIVE.
Why the Caps?
I went for the ninja 1000sx amazing value and super fun. Probably not best for the task when it comes to when wind protection for the screen. Potentially the higher pegs, though I don’t have an issue. To me I love the look of a sports bike and the comfort of a naked bike. That is what this bike is.
Load carrying capacity would of been a good metric to list. Some bikes are pretty poor compared to others.
Would have. Would've.
Nice job
Well done and interesting. However, if you’re in the market to buy, isn’t the most important information availability? Not that it’s a reviewer’s fault, but how useful is the data if the bikes aren’t available?
Yeah, I've had a hard time buying anything, including bikes, that I want. Lucked in to a slightly used FE501S, but several other bikes I've looked at are either completely unavailable, or so stupidly marked up that I laugh. $16,000 for a used Tenere 700?!?! WTF! Got used to the age of abundance in my imagination. Now that I have money to spend, I can't actually get the things I want...
Very entertaining, thoroughly enjoyable video. I want to go ride!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Was the Versys 1000 #11?
Bravo. Well done 👏
Guess you didn’t include the guzzi v100 because it’s not launched yet :D
Yeah no love for the h2sx. Reliable , comfortable and fun "sports tourer"
I've sat on allot of the bikes on this list and actually ridden a few, it makes me wonder why the Versys 1000 never makes these lists. Actually comfortable for long rides and better than most of these bikes for two up touring. Love the Versys 1000.
Nice observation
Please do a list for 700cc and below too 🙂
Will do!
What's the best one for cheap skates
Did Yamaha stop selling the Versus this year? They no longer list them on their website in 2023 and the only ones I see for sale are the 2022 model.
What if you change the focus to the best One Up Sport touring/GT 800cc+ motorcycle? I'm thinking T9GT actually takes that top spot ...IMHO (Biased as I own one ) Also for 2023 the T9GT will likely take #1 for the best 800cc+ commuter also as it is getting the radar enhancement and a nicer one screen display....but I expect with inflation and the added feature the price will climb ever higher so if anyone does not commute then will be best to shop deals on left over '21 and '22 T9GTs I managed to buy my new '22 for MSRP alone without any added markup or bogus fees like set up and destination etc
Suzuki Bandit 1250...?
How about the Versys 1000 SE not included?
Can someone explain to me the difference between a sport touring and a GT bike? Thank you
KTM 1290 Super Duke GT for me! Thank you.
Good choice
19 SDGT for myself, it's been my favorite bike of all in my 40 yrs of buying bikes. Great speed, handling and gas mileage.
Tracer 9 GT
I am looking for a sports tourer and very few reviews mention the height/weight of the rider. At 5'9" I find the Mulistrada bars too far forward and too wide. The same goes for the V85TT not reviewed here. MV Agusta TV fits very well for my height.
What is difference between GT and Sport touring motorcycles? I thought they were synonymous.
great list, though I for one think the adv style looks ridiculous. Sticking a high dirt bike style front fender above the typical tire-hugging street fender makes zero sense to me. I'll keep my 1000SX, thanks, though I'd love to own an H2SX!
Aprilia Tuono V4 1100 Base Model
The V4 doesn't belong on a list of 900cc bikes.
The Tracer 9 GT may very well be a great bike ... but I couldn't live with the aesthetics, the styling does nowt for me and the split dash is horrible ... even then it's still really tempting though as it offers a lot for the money compared to the others. The Tiger 900 GT Pro would probably be what I'd buy from that list .... but I'd definitely have the Yamaha if it had nicer styling and a more conventional single large TFT
Just get the older one. Ive got a 18 plate GT and I think it looks fab
No way. The tracer is the best looking bike on the list
@@nbl1ve804 did the same, 2018 blue, instead of new...
You’re right. I’d go crazy looking at that Groucho Marx face looking at me with those tiny numbers embedded! And the head lights are just weird.
Ugly as sin, I agree. I know you can't see it while riding, but I'd have to distract myself looking at my watch or something every time I'd walk up to it, lol.
How on earth does a Ducati Supersport make this list? Where are its luggage capabilities?
You can spec it with OEM panniers, so similar to other bikes here.
I love how everyone has an opinion on why this or that bike should be #1 or another shouldn’t be on the list and the bike they had is the best bike they have ever rode! Unless you have all these bikes and ride them all for a substantial amount of time to make a fair and impartial decision on their rankings, let the pros do that part! They take everything into consideration, such as handling, braking, performance, mpg, comfort and everything else involved in riding in every situation! A bike you thought was the best, you might completely change your mind riding something that you might of despised! I listen to the pros and go in with an opened mind, not already having a bias opinion like to many people seem to!
The Italian bike 👍
Thanks God I will buy one of each of them
I'd love to see a segment that includes the Kawasaki Concours14 and the FJR1300.
In my opinion there is a big difference/mistake on the concept of a sport-touring bike...for me a sport-touring bike is a bike that looks sporty and you can go on knee-down trips for a few days and with that in mind a turismo veloce, the NT1100, the Tiger, Tracer and multistrada aren't sport-touring bikes, they are GT bikes with more or less sportiness!
I looked for the Yamaha FJR300, then I remembered, because the FJR did not meet the Euro5 pollution requirements, Yamaha decided to forgo the European market.
Disappointed that the only thing you said in the Suzuki segment was to compare this year's model to the previous version (gsx 1000f)
Listen again. They said they like it better than the new Honda NT1100
I thought this was very flattering to Suzuki.
4. R 1250 RT - R 1250 RC
It must be really comfort to ride that nt1100 though, but 110 hp feels not enough nowadays, super duke gt might be an animal although it's not known for best reliability. Multistrada is way to expensive, the z1000sx is to sporty for me, but its quality is top notch, the gsx-s1000gt isn't. Tracer would probably win if it had the cp4 engine, so my votes goes for superduke gt anyway
Forget the rest. The BMW S1000 XR is the best.
Your reasons for not including either the BMW f900xr or s1000xr made no sense whatsoever. Why not just say your not including them because it’s your list and you don’t have to.
You wouldn’t be the first motorcycle journalist to omit BMWs from a top 10 list do to your own personal bias.
There is so much inconsistency with motorcycle journalist today that it sours the motorcycle experience and some might find it not worth the trouble especially since it’s a luxury (regardless of price) not a necessity.
Still liking my big, fat, red, and low tech 2015 VFR800DLX :)
You forgot to mention that the Ducati probably uses 50% more fuel than any of the other bikes on the list. I watched a comparison with the 1290 S and the Duc literally used 50% more fuel doing the same speeds. I guess if you can afford a £20k bike fuel economy might not be your biggest concern, but it’s still ridiculous.
Why no tracer fz10 ?? Manufacturers always hold off on making this best model?!? Ktm 390R. 490R? Where are they. Tracer 700 in USA??
So no R1250RS the BMW sports tourer 🤔
You'll never win with such a list, but not too shabby of an attempt.
First issue will always be on the scale of Sports > Tourer and ones interpretation. Sports for me means it looks more like the current crop of sports bikes whilst Tourer means ... well you can tour in relative comfort. So the top 2 here are closer to the Tourer and even Adventurer. Whilst the Ninja and Suzuki clone are more Sports.
I've owned 3 of these bikes, test ridden all of them and they are all aweosome ... except the Tracer. Worst built bike I have ever owned. And that dash is comical.
With respect to the Tracer, what do you mean "worst built?"
Where is the H2?
No H2SX?
They limited the review to motorcycles, but excluded rocket ships 😊🚀
@@mcarston haha it doesn't have cruise control, it has cruise missile.
As a completely happy owner of the BMW R1200RS, I was glad the newer R1250RS wasn't overlooked on this review, as it is all-too-often in most Sports Tourer reviews...
Where is the BMW XR?
You missed out the BMW F900XR
Fjr1300 and concourse should be in there.
UA-cam, please don't recommend a bikes video that i cannot afford of buying. 😭
SV650 best budget tourer 😅
Guess i need to stick with my rs
Ducati has a joke fuel range imo
Not Kawasaki fans then.
The 'busa.
I could not see S1000XR on the list.
I’m sick of having to google the MPH hahahah I keep thing everyone is going 250 down the backroads
Why do Kawasaki always look like a full size version of a 6 year olds toy?
Regular viewer of your channel. Music segways are blisteringly loud and unnecessary!
Yamaha and Honda have proven reliability, also proven time and time again they rein superior to Ducati. You spend less time in shop riding a Honda or Yamaha. Enjoy your overpriced Ducati’s that will get you accustomed to the service advisor and your technician.
Multistrada number one are you kidding me !!! Thats all plasticc from the outside and you pay the highest price jokerr number onee !!! The real number one is Ktm 1290 adventure s !!!!
No entendí ni para atras ni para adelante
1st
Cheers!
Suzuki Vstrom 650 es mejor que cualquiera de esta comparativa "sport-touring"
¿Y eso por qué?
MV makes butt ugly bikes only beaten by Motor Guzzi.