Fixing Gen 2 Movepools

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  • @Lieutenant_Dude
    @Lieutenant_Dude Рік тому +885

    Gonna have to correct you. Golduck is pure water, not water/psychic. For some reason, the Psyduck line is associated with psychic powers but aren't psychic types. Which makes it even funnier that it learned confusion early on but had to wait until the 50s to learn it's only water move hydro pump.

    • @smithplayspokemon
      @smithplayspokemon  Рік тому +604

      OMG THATS LITERALLY A MEME AND I FELL FOR IT AGAIN

    • @LoudWaffle
      @LoudWaffle Рік тому +97

      This is me, I always got tripped up between Psy/Golduck and Staryu/mie in remembering which ones were the water/psychic and which were the pure waters.

    • @TheGhostFart
      @TheGhostFart Рік тому +85

      The Psyduck line is associated with psychic types because Psyduck literally suffers constant headaches due to its psychic powers. The weird part is actually the fact that it's mono water and not part psychic type as a result.

    • @williambrinkmeier1772
      @williambrinkmeier1772 Рік тому +19

      ​@smithplayspokemon maybe give it the typing wouldn't hurt

    • @SeeZer0
      @SeeZer0 Рік тому +14

      @@williambrinkmeier1772also it would be the perfect counterpart to starmie because they both started as water then later evolved into psychic types

  • @mr.humblecup8229
    @mr.humblecup8229 Рік тому +446

    Something that really bothers me about gen 2 is how they added a move deleter, but not a move reminder. Really would have been helpful.

    • @LoudWaffle
      @LoudWaffle Рік тому +53

      I really hope his hack includes a move reminder.

    • @kimotokirby1601
      @kimotokirby1601 Рік тому +3

      there is....

    • @Flaming_Rok
      @Flaming_Rok Рік тому +60

      There technically is a move reminder! It's uh, very roundabout, but if you clear Stadium 2's Gym Leader Castle's Elite 4 with an imported team, you can reteach a move to one Pokemon.

    • @mr.humblecup8229
      @mr.humblecup8229 Рік тому +2

      @@kimotokirby1601 where?

    • @kimotokirby1601
      @kimotokirby1601 Рік тому +3

      @@mr.humblecup8229 someone alredy replied

  • @Fireflash74
    @Fireflash74 Рік тому +152

    Please let Gligar learn Mud Slap either through level up or TM. So many flying Pokémon learn Mud Slap, but the flying and GROUND typed Gligar cant learn it.

    • @somechupacabrawithinternet8866
      @somechupacabrawithinternet8866 Рік тому +3

      game freak: logic? what's that?

    • @Tinil0
      @Tinil0 Рік тому +19

      @@somechupacabrawithinternet8866 The logic makes perfect sense to me. Birds can flap their wings to stir up mud at the enemy, gligar can't because it's wings don't work like that. You don't just make movesets based on type and power, flavor also plays a part.

    • @somechupacabrawithinternet8866
      @somechupacabrawithinternet8866 Рік тому +8

      @@Tinil0 so then why can't weavile learn ice punch by level up?

    • @sirki2885
      @sirki2885 Рік тому +7

      @@somechupacabrawithinternet8866 weaville is a slasher not a puncher lol

    • @somechupacabrawithinternet8866
      @somechupacabrawithinternet8866 Рік тому +10

      @@sirki2885 tell that to game fresk, the made no ice slashing move

  • @fortello7219
    @fortello7219 Рік тому +885

    Give Hitmonchan tri-attack at 25. It's basically an alternative to the elemental punches that uses its physical attack at the cost of coverage. But at least gives it the chance to burn, para, or freeze like if it had the elemental punches.

    • @AugmentalGameplay
      @AugmentalGameplay Рік тому +20

      Oh I love that idea!

    • @RhiannaAtriedes
      @RhiannaAtriedes Рік тому +52

      It would be nice if it had passable special attack so it could actually put those punches to use as well. Not cracked or anything but not the depressing state it is now. Lee gets all the kicks, and Chan gets the elemental punches, but just doesn't have the stats to use them. Very unfortunate

    • @harryh4h720
      @harryh4h720 Рік тому +23

      And it could be excused as a triple elemental barrage of punches

    • @YoungSimbaFGC
      @YoungSimbaFGC Рік тому +9

      ​@@RhiannaAtriedesI could see them buffing it by like 20 base power and it being really good

    • @bradwurst8141
      @bradwurst8141 Рік тому +7

      Just doesn't fit the bill for "Tri-Attack" at all, obviously. There's a reason they made the physical/special split 😅

  • @DarkBowser64
    @DarkBowser64 Рік тому +180

    FYI, Hoppip learns Splash because in Japanese the same word can roughly mean both Splash (Flop?) AND Hop; it's actually a rather sad thing when translating as Nob Ogasawara insisted on going with Hop as the translation because it applies to more potential situations for the word, but I believe the supervisor/manager at NoA was very insistent that he should "go with Splash anyway, it adds more flavor and who knows if there's ever gonna be a sequel or continuation to this game". In the end, Nob was proven right literally only like a year and a half later when it came time to translate Gen 2.

    • @PlaguevonKarma
      @PlaguevonKarma Рік тому +23

      It's a Mr. Mime moment!

    • @bluebirdsigma
      @bluebirdsigma Рік тому +5

      Should have gone with Flop.

    • @JaharNarishma
      @JaharNarishma Рік тому +8

      ​@@bluebirdsigmaFlop, like Splash, doesn't give justice to Magikarp's ability to jump extremely high.
      The minigame in Pokémon Stadium is because Magikarp can jump very high. The Pokédex for some game has Magikarp being able to jump the height of a mountain.

    • @Kekistani_Insurgent
      @Kekistani_Insurgent 9 місяців тому +2

      You can see this happen in the mystery dungeon games, too. When Pokémon use splash, it has nothing to do with water, and literally shows other Pokémon jumping over yours

  • @redwings13400
    @redwings13400 Рік тому +289

    I think for water type pokemon, it might be a good idea to add bubblebeam on to a lot of their movesets in the midgame. This isn't for the player, really, since the player has surf, but for NPCs in the game who keep on using water gun on their water type pokemon all the way through the late game. Important NPCs you can probably just manually change to give them surf, but just the upgrade for random fishermen in the mid to late game is probably worth making the change. Surf always felt like a cheat code for water types, and also an excuse to never give any water types water type moves between water gun and hydro pump, so having some intermediate water move like bubble beam could fix that gap a bit.

  • @UltraSilver2
    @UltraSilver2 Рік тому +67

    Keep in mind most trainers are programmed to take the 4 newest moves their Pokémon can learn at the given level, so changing these learnsets changes the player's experience when facing them.

  • @Team_Orchid
    @Team_Orchid Рік тому +228

    As a Chikorita fan I approve of the massive glow up to Chikorita's learnset and keeping it on the supporty side instead of just turning the line into a beatstick like modern Pokemon does with its grass starters.

    • @mustafa_kumsar
      @mustafa_kumsar Рік тому +2

      as a fellow chikorita line fan i love using them as bulky tanks rather than attackers it just fits them better

    • @mustafa_kumsar
      @mustafa_kumsar Рік тому

      @tablesalt2628 new starters in general are op

    • @windhelmguard5295
      @windhelmguard5295 Рік тому +2

      personally i feel meganiums learnset isn't even the problem, although i do like the idea of just letting it learn some of these moves a bit earlier, i feel making it bulkier would make much more sense.
      it's got dual screens and reliable recovery, that's not bad at all, but it really does need a bit more staying power to capitalize on that move set and a more reliable source of damage, maybe something with fixed output like a grass type wrap or something.

    • @Team_Orchid
      @Team_Orchid Рік тому +1

      @tablesalt2628 Yeah they're fine but we've had 3 beatsticks in a row for what's supposed to be the jank type. I want another powder move grass starter, a leech seeder, hell I'll take a Babydoll Eyes abuser at this point.

    • @Team_Orchid
      @Team_Orchid Рік тому +4

      @tablesalt2628 I do not care how good they are in competitive. I. Want. Non. Attacking. Moves. On. My. Grass. Starter.

  • @bdf1006
    @bdf1006 Рік тому +32

    I remember it being brought up on stream but did you forget Misdreavus? It learns no Ghost type attacks by level up and Psywave is its only attacking move until Psybeam at 27, which is also its last attacking move

  • @quembek6448
    @quembek6448 Рік тому +45

    In my opinion it'd be nice if Skarmory received spikes through level up since first and foremost it's a defensive Pokemon.

    • @TNTX23
      @TNTX23 Рік тому

      i dont think spikes are in gen 2

    • @SomeGuy712x
      @SomeGuy712x Рік тому +11

      @@TNTX23
      Spikes is indeed in Gen. 2, but Skarmory doesn't have access to it until Gen. 3, so adding Spikes to Skarmory's level up moves in Gen. 2 would probably be a good idea.

    • @madduxnagel6935
      @madduxnagel6935 Рік тому +3

      Spikes is Skarmory's BnB, it should definitely have it for Gen 2.

    • @primrosevale1995
      @primrosevale1995 11 днів тому

      That move should be Steel-type though not Ground.

  • @samppa_j
    @samppa_j Рік тому +88

    Give ninetales and arcanine their previous stages movepools. They learn absolutely nothing, forcing you to use the weak forms way too long

    • @mr.humblecup8229
      @mr.humblecup8229 Рік тому +15

      Should do that for all of the stone evolution Pokémon tbh.

    • @yourehereforthatarentyou
      @yourehereforthatarentyou Рік тому +42

      no, that defeats the entire point. it’s meant to be a trade off to keep you from having really strong pokemon too early. either wait so they can learn better moves, or be impatient and evolve them early then wait for a good tm

    • @DUKEHadToDoItToEm
      @DUKEHadToDoItToEm Рік тому +10

      Would only be fair if they started learning moves again at like level 50+ imo

    • @Tomy_Lightning
      @Tomy_Lightning Рік тому +3

      Doesn't arcenine get extreme speed as lvl up.

    • @MagnakayViolet
      @MagnakayViolet Рік тому +3

      In gen 2, yes, but you miss out on level up learning Flamethrower as Growlithe.

  • @KlldbyCuriosity
    @KlldbyCuriosity Рік тому +24

    Hoppip gets “splash” because “splash” is mistranslated. はねる means “hop” and the only reason it was called “splash” is because it was originally exclusive to Magikarp so the original translator was told to change the name to splash despite his protests. Don’t take what should be hop away from hopip

  • @ivanbluecool
    @ivanbluecool Рік тому +20

    Totodile just happy to be here on the thumbnail

    • @Marshall_D_Teach_
      @Marshall_D_Teach_ Рік тому +1

      9:42 you forgot to make Gligar being able to learn dig and mud slap, come on !

  • @joesplace2960
    @joesplace2960 Рік тому +67

    Here’s an idea: maybe have Dragonite learn a lot of coverage naturally. As in, it needs a tutor for the big moves, but it could learn Bubblebeam, thundershock, ember, and icy wind. Like, the dragon has mastery over the elements. If this is too overpowered, limit it to Fire and Water, because of dragons and fire and Dratini’s aquatic nature.

  • @benjaminwilliamson8653
    @benjaminwilliamson8653 Рік тому +24

    Oh man Im totally gonna play through this version of crystal at least 7 times after release. So excited for this

  • @staxstix
    @staxstix Рік тому +9

    Cool changes, but there are a few details that don't seem right. For example, Suicune now learning Ice Beam at 31 and Aurora Beam at 41, making it entirely irrelevant (who trains Aurora when you've got Ice Beam?). Same for Raikou with Tbolt (31) and Spark (41). Also Zapdos learning two powerhouse moves right after another (49 Drill Peck, 50 Tbolt) seems crowded and is an unnatural jump in power within 2 levels.

    • @noonie6872
      @noonie6872 Рік тому +1

      You can't get Zapdos at less than level 50 in any game without cheating anyway, so it's just a change to the starting kit.

  • @MajorJuiceman
    @MajorJuiceman Рік тому +19

    Big question since now some Pokemon learn them by level up:
    Will you be able to delete HM moves without the move deleter? I'd hate to add a (albeit buffed) Cut or Rock Smash and just once again not be able to delete them.

    • @Ditidos
      @Ditidos Рік тому

      Well, Rock Smash is a TM in this game. But yeah, it should be considered for Cut, an easy option is to make it purchasable in the Goldenrod Department Store and just make it a TM instead of a HM now that there is a reasonable chance someone might want to use it.

    • @MajorJuiceman
      @MajorJuiceman Рік тому

      @@Ditidos You're right, I'm just so used to Rock Smash being an HM that I forgot it was still a TM early on

    • @artistfloor9
      @artistfloor9 Рік тому

      The reason for that is they didn’t want your character getting stranded if you deleted an HM move in the wrong spot. The solution is to just have a move deleter available in every city.

  • @AS34N
    @AS34N Рік тому +4

    Wow, the simple fact youre active in your comment section taking ideas, criticism, and compliments from your community seriously gives me serious hope for this project

  • @GarnitrexGaming
    @GarnitrexGaming Рік тому +2

    Gyrados is my favorite pokemon. I'm very amused that he'll be flying now. Looking forward to place this :)

  • @cesarbernardi1646
    @cesarbernardi1646 Рік тому +9

    On a separate question: since you're giving many mons moves that are usually gym leader prize TMs (like Shadow Ball and Giga Drain), will those TMs be changed to reflect that?

  • @w0ody16
    @w0ody16 Рік тому +14

    Mud slap probably needs a buff. They introduced mud shot in gen 3 to bridge the power gap.

    • @JayClearman411
      @JayClearman411 2 місяці тому

      Naw it’s secondary effect would make it too much imo.

  • @Vesdus
    @Vesdus Рік тому +42

    Pushing Dragon Rage on Dratini all the way back to 26 is ridiculous. As you said, Dragon Rage Dratini was never a problem, and congratulations - You've made it so no one will ever bother teaching it the move at all. Wrap/Leer/Thunder Wave/Twister does not need Dragon Rage at 26 when Pokemon are moving out of getting 2-shot by it. Especially when Dratini also learns Headbutt and Surf.
    It also makes it so there is an 11 level gap on a Pokemon with slow exp gain where it doesn't learn any moves.

    • @kimotokirby1601
      @kimotokirby1601 Рік тому +7

      you get dratini at almost EOG lmao, it just makes leveling up easier

    • @noukan42
      @noukan42 Рік тому +4

      ​@@kimotokirby1601im the original games you could get it in the goldenrod game cornet. And it is as overpowered as it sound.

    • @lyrathekitkat
      @lyrathekitkat Рік тому +8

      You're being way too confrontational for this

    • @Vesdus
      @Vesdus Рік тому +5

      @@kimotokirby1601 In Gold/Silver you can get it in Goldenrod. And it's not that powerful at all... Dratini has weak stats, doesn't evolve until level 30, and lags behind all of your other Pokemon by 3-5 levels due to it's slow exp gain.
      Getting it in Blackthorn (which isn't even half way through the game. Anyone who has played Crystal knows that.) in Crystal and not having Dragon Rage to help it train for 4 whole levels is brutal. And even then it can only ever two-shot Pokemon it's level and above because everything has at least 40hp at level 22.
      That doesn't even take into account the massive 11-level gap that exists in it's moveset for no reason, though. I can't think of another Pokemon other than something like Magikarp that has to wait 11 levels from below level 60 to learn a new move.

    • @Vesdus
      @Vesdus Рік тому +2

      ​@@lyrathekitkat It's impossible to be too confrontational. If you see something you don't like, and you don't confront it, you are a coward. It's that simple. You must mean something else.

  • @TsukentoX
    @TsukentoX Рік тому +3

    Once again voicing my concern about Cut being turned into a Bug move. If anything, it's better suited to be a Dark move. The Japanese name for the move refers to a cutting technique seen with samurai, similar to the Japanese name for Night Slash, which pops up in a later gen. Not only would making it Dark still give Bug-types a strong move effective against Psychic-types and in turn against Ghost-types, but it also gives Sneasel something to make use of its Dark-type outside of having to wait until level 57 to get Beat Up.
    Also, Hopip learns Splash due to the Japanese name of the attack literally being "Hop." 😂

    • @JayClearman411
      @JayClearman411 2 місяці тому

      I personally think it should be a steel move personally. But dark could Maybe work

  • @ginabobina101
    @ginabobina101 Рік тому +12

    I'm not sure if would be a good idea, just something that popped into my head.
    I saw someone asking if there will be a reward for completing the Unown Pokedex. What if that reward allowed you to get Celebi?
    Probably a silly idea but I wanted to post it anyway.
    Keep up the great work!!!

  • @Casterisk45510
    @Casterisk45510 Рік тому +6

    "Speaking of psychic types not getting psychic moves, Golduck-"
    AcTuAllY, gOlDuCk isN't a PsYcHiC tYpE

  • @movezig5
    @movezig5 Рік тому +27

    The reason Hoppip learns Splash is because the move Splash is called "Hop" in Japan. Also, the move "Cut" was originally "Iaigiri," which is a Japanese sword technique involving drawing and cutting, so while making it bug-type is a good gameplay change, it's _not_ a good change flavor-wise.

    • @danielquinlan2457
      @danielquinlan2457 Рік тому +20

      YMMV but giving Cut an actual use outside of being that one HM everybody hates and giving Bug a much needed extra move is worth fudging the lore a bit. Also, I think it's neat that the move that cuts down trees is now strong against Grass.

    • @anotheruniqueusername
      @anotheruniqueusername Рік тому +7

      it does however make sense when you keep in mind the minigame on stadium 2 where you use scyther and pinsir to 'cut' the logs that fall.

    • @somechupacabrawithinternet8866
      @somechupacabrawithinternet8866 Рік тому +4

      too bad
      i would make cut steel type

    • @movezig5
      @movezig5 Рік тому +4

      @@danielquinlan2457 Fair enough. Aerial Ace was also a sword technique originally--Tsubame Gaeshi, or "Swallow Counter"--and while its typing makes sense, it at least sets the precedent that sword moves don't have to be steel type.

  • @JustusWhales
    @JustusWhales Рік тому +4

    Do you think giving Meganium Petal Dance at 32 would make sense? Also Noctowl getting Psybeam at 21 and then Confusion after at 34 as well as Muk learning Sludge after Sludge Bomb feels like an oversight or the level up movelist werent completely fixed?

    • @iamlordapollo
      @iamlordapollo Рік тому +1

      I agree. Confusion at like 13ish, psybeam at like 24, and psychic at 38 would be perfect for noctowl.

  • @LunarWingCloud
    @LunarWingCloud Рік тому +16

    For Celebi maybe you can just recreate the Virtual Console postgame event? Maybe it cam be done earlier like once you tesch Goldenrod you can go back to talk to Kurt

    • @SomeGuy712x
      @SomeGuy712x Рік тому +1

      I think you meant "reach" instead of "tesch", right?

  • @luismanueldigiusto5258
    @luismanueldigiusto5258 Рік тому +8

    Make the pokegear phone list limitless, i remember that you had to delete some phone numbers in order to get new ones, so you can have the complete list including the numbers of the gym leaders to call them asking for a rematch

    • @aceclover758
      @aceclover758 Рік тому +4

      Limited in gen 2 was due to hardware limitations

  • @Luigi1000
    @Luigi1000 Рік тому +5

    I do think at the very least if Roar is removed from the move pool for the roaming trio that it should by default have Roar before you catch it. It's a vital part of the experience of trying to track down and capture these legends as it is the one way they can escape if moves like mean look or spider web are used which prevent the opponent from fleeing by their natural escape chance. If it is removed entirely then I would expect to see an increased escape chance and it being able to have a chance to break through these two moves to escape anyways.

  • @christianengeroff5716
    @christianengeroff5716 Рік тому +4

    Please reduce also the time that it takes to spawn and hatch an Egg. Breeding should not be this tedious.

  • @kacektv9405
    @kacektv9405 Рік тому +4

    *Hugging my Chikorita plush* Shhh dont listen to the mean rom man, you are perfect, you are beautiful, you are brave, and I can net an Onix and Geodude early to pick up the slack my flawless Dual type of Grass/Qween

    • @iRazenrak
      @iRazenrak Рік тому +2

      Fucking died at "mean rom man."

  • @ArchetypeGotoh
    @ArchetypeGotoh Рік тому +12

    Title question: agree. Particularly egregious are the Hitmons because there’s no move reminder for their only good moves learned before evolution, and Heracross because fighting moves are so lacking. Typhlosion gets flamethrower at 60?! Slowpoke getting nothing good besides Headbutt until you give it Surf… but that’s just from memory. I’m sure there are more/better choices too.
    Edit: I’m glad you talked about the Hitmons in the video: they may as well not have moves after evolving; I’d say
    Hitmonlee: Doublekick 21, Rolling Kick 27, High Jump Kick 32, and the other moves can be anytime, so that he actually has some “kick” moves to use.
    Hitmonchan, fine as-is, except maybe make his punches physical? If that’s not possible, add Brick Break or Karate Chop to the move set to give him a decent hands-based fighting move to use before Mach Punch
    Hitmontop needs the same treatment as Hitmonlee if you want it to be usable; doublekick at 21, rolling kick 27, and reduce Triple Kick to 40 or something so (again) he can actually use his “kick” moves

    • @robertlupa8273
      @robertlupa8273 Рік тому

      Brick Break was added in Gen 3, unfortunately.

    • @SirEwonJung
      @SirEwonJung Рік тому +1

      ​@robertlupa8273 that's not the truth, ellen. While it was changed to an HM in gen 3, it was available in gen 2 as a tm only move and can be taught to all 3 hitmon

    • @robertlupa8273
      @robertlupa8273 Рік тому +2

      @@SirEwonJung You're confusing Brick Break with Rock Smash.

    • @SirEwonJung
      @SirEwonJung Рік тому +1

      @@robertlupa8273 omfg I absolutely did! Sorry everyone, I'm gonna go die now

    • @robertlupa8273
      @robertlupa8273 Рік тому

      @@SirEwonJung np, everyone makes mistakes from time to time

  • @TessThisMess
    @TessThisMess Рік тому +4

    I wish there was a more appropriate poison move in Gen 2 for Crobat. Sludge Bomb feels so off the flavor of the mon, but I realize not much fits better.

  • @richarddill692
    @richarddill692 Рік тому +2

    I always thought Cut would fit better as a Steel-Type Move. It is used in-game the same way lawn mowers and chainsaws are irl, after all.

  • @antoinepolnareff8970
    @antoinepolnareff8970 Рік тому +2

    If Possible Buff Fly and Dig, if you want maintain non perfect accuracy but putting both at minimal at 80 power minimal(Is a 2 turn move, 60 to 70 is a bit insulting).
    It still makes me a bit sick about the 84% accuracy of pin missile so instead I think at leas 18 power 90% accuracy would be a little better

  • @glitchedoom
    @glitchedoom Рік тому +2

    Lance's Aerodactyl carries on the proud tradition of illegal moves started by his Barrier Dragonite in Gen 1.

  • @TrvisXXIII
    @TrvisXXIII Рік тому +19

    The most basic improvement would be to have them learn their egg moves naturally

    • @KurusuPanda
      @KurusuPanda Рік тому +2

      And event moves!

    • @TNTX23
      @TNTX23 Рік тому +1

      ​@@KurusuPandano unless fir certain pokemon like crunch charmander things like zap canon squirtle doesn't make sense also i am not a charizard stan i like the other two more

    • @KurusuPanda
      @KurusuPanda Рік тому +6

      @@TNTX23 Zap Cannon Blastoise tho

  • @Marcus-oj9xw
    @Marcus-oj9xw Рік тому +6

    I have so much gen 2 nostalgia. Crystal Clear is one of my favorite (possibly favorite) pokemon rom-hacks. I really hope you eventually release your full gen 2 remake soon because i will absolutely play it.

    • @frapippo420
      @frapippo420 Рік тому +1

      If you love gen 2 you have to play Polished Crystal. It's really well done, completely faithful to the OG story but with tons of QoL improvements and some post game additions and easter eggs/events.

  • @Thraim.
    @Thraim. Рік тому +3

    Gen 2 REALLY wanted you to use TMs to give your pokemon good attacks.

  • @PopeDuwang
    @PopeDuwang Рік тому +2

    (Sees Gyarados Flying)
    Me: He’s not flying, he’s falling with style.

  • @The_Big_Jay
    @The_Big_Jay Рік тому +2

    Gen 3 also has these problems. Looking at the Seedot line's learnset makes my cry. The *only* grass move any of them learn is Synthesis, from Seedot at level 45. The only damaging dark move is Faint Attack from Nuzleaf at 31. The only Grass TM you get before the 6th gym, technically you can get it right after the 5th, is Bullet Seed. So in Ruby, Sapphire, or Emerald, if you want a Shiftry on your team, it won't know any decent grass type moves until you get the Giga Drain TM.

    • @JayClearman411
      @JayClearman411 2 місяці тому

      I am of the opinion that it should learn both absorb and mega drain at the very least. Have it learn razor leaf as it evolves to nuzleaf learn an have shiftry remember leaf blade from its past. As for dark moves how about beat up.

    • @The_Big_Jay
      @The_Big_Jay 2 місяці тому

      @@JayClearman411 Beat up is one of it's egg moves, and it can learn razor leaf as Nuzleaf in ORAS if I remember rightly.

    • @JayClearman411
      @JayClearman411 2 місяці тому

      @@The_Big_Jay yeah you right about beat up I think I recall breeding for 1 with houndoom I think? An razor leaf could be it’s been a while since I touch the game.

    • @The_Big_Jay
      @The_Big_Jay 2 місяці тому +1

      @@JayClearman411 Razor Leaf is at exactly level 14 I think, meaning if your Seedot levels up twice in a single battle, you miss it lol. And Bullet Seed was removed in the remakes.
      I'm not sure what you have to breed with to get Beat Up, I just got lucky with Dex Nav and got a Seedot with Beat up on the first route he appears on.

    • @JayClearman411
      @JayClearman411 2 місяці тому +1

      @@The_Big_Jay nice.. that’s why I said as seedot evolved..
      I didn’t say when. Also I remember you get it from sneasel. I believe but I had a aipom houndoom nidoking tyraniar an charizard with the move I was a bit of a overzealous breeding enthusiast.. once I saw or found a move that I like it was over..

  • @mrbitties9270
    @mrbitties9270 Рік тому +4

    Steelix got criminally dogged with its moveset

  • @Aalok1991
    @Aalok1991 Рік тому +2

    Astonishing that the game originally didnt have half these changes which seem very necessary now that we look at johto after all these years

  • @signum18
    @signum18 Рік тому +4

    When changing the level up moveset, you can also consider changing the TM moveset and TM availability. That Scyther can learn Cut makes sense, but it can remain a teachable HM move I think

  • @lyg483
    @lyg483 Рік тому +2

    Can you make Xatu learn Shadow Ball?
    It can learn It on Gen 3 but not on Gen 2 for some reason :(

  • @robert.sjostrom
    @robert.sjostrom Рік тому +4

    Im so stoked. I can't wait for this to come out

  • @dylanboyd7410
    @dylanboyd7410 Рік тому +1

    Buff hitmonchans special attack to match its regular attack so the punches work on it, and removes any other special attacking move it might have.

  • @jplm5394
    @jplm5394 Рік тому +4

    Ideas for the Hitmons:
    - In general: Feint attack can be read as "feint" aka "decoy" attack. This would make for a typical fighting move, so it would make sense that the Hitmons (especially Chan) learn it. Now that it's a physical attack type, it would make for a decent coverage move against their Psychic weakness
    - Hitmontop: his signature move is Rolling kick, so he's a rolling pokémon. Rollout would make a nice addition to his moveset I think, since it's a really useful move, especially considering how good Rock is offensively in Gen 2.
    Aside from that, Hitmontop is known as the Breakdance pokémon. So it would only make sense to give him a dancing move in "Swords Dance", right? His viability would skyrocket right away.
    - Hitmonchan: easy fix for him is to just average his special stat. 70 SpA and 75 SpD would do the trick with his elemental punches
    - Hitmonlee: the most difficult one. Throw Low Kick in somewhere perhaps, make Mega Kick earlier.

  • @erc4u387
    @erc4u387 Рік тому +3

    Why not give chickorita vine whip

  • @pizzahutkidman8806
    @pizzahutkidman8806 Рік тому +9

    Hoppip learns splash because the move is called Hop in Japan. It was changed in Gen 1 Localisation because Magikarp was the only one who got it so they thought it'd make more sense. This is why it's a normal move and not a water type move, therefore I think Splash is a cute addition and should stay.

  • @Lotuswalker
    @Lotuswalker Рік тому +2

    So appearently the discord link is not valid. Any chance to update it ?

  • @arrowblade_1238
    @arrowblade_1238 Рік тому +2

    You should slightly buff hitmonchan’s special, just so it can actually deal damage with the elemental punches

  • @TheOnlyPersona
    @TheOnlyPersona Рік тому +1

    Just gonna throw this out there cause idk anywhere else to put it:
    I’d love if you implemented a feature for HM usage I saw in another rom I played. Essentially, if you’ve got the HM and a Pokémon in the party that CAN learn it, all you need to do is approach the contextual place (so a tree or an ocean for cut/surf respectively) and then you can interact and use it.
    Doesn’t force you to make your Pokémon learn the HMs and keeps game progression smooth. A nice QoL change IMO

  • @robosuit
    @robosuit Рік тому +1

    2:47 I'd advise giving it Vine Whip at 7 and moving Razor Leaf later to around 16. Vine Whip is more in-line with Ember's and Water Gun's power.

  • @paleoscinkus542
    @paleoscinkus542 Рік тому +4

    I feel like the whole point of TM’s was to teach your Pokémon good moves, doesn’t making them learn all of those through level up sort of defeat the purpose? One of the unique features of the early generations was using your TM’s wisely, in my opinion this takes away from the experience just a bit. I definitely agree with giving certain Pokémon a STAB move though, but I think giving them moves that’s thematically fitting should be more important. I don’t see Yanma using Twineedle when it doesn’t have stingers, or Butterfree and Ledian learning Leach Life as an example.

  • @DNubs
    @DNubs Рік тому +1

    16:57 Suicune learning Aurora-Beam after Ice Beam?? Reversing those seems the easy fix.

  • @overlordalfredo
    @overlordalfredo Рік тому +1

    8:15 well they both learn Earthquake naturally... 😮
    11:24 also Corsola doesn't learn Hydropump naturally... So why "earlier"?
    13:12 😮 did you remove Faint atrack from Sneasel? If you make Dark type physical why take the dark STAB move from the physical attacker...?

  • @TomoFoxFoxington
    @TomoFoxFoxington Рік тому +1

    Please, please, PLEASE add back in Vulpix with Growlithe on Route 36. My baby Vulpix doesn't deserve to get left out when it was a Silver-only version exclusive. I wanted to get him from the early access grass patch above Ruins of Alph SO badly when I was little, and was so infuriated that I couldn't when I saw Growlithe in that patch. Nothing against the boy, but it's a deep-seated Grudge I have, pardon the move pun.

  • @cve7335
    @cve7335 11 місяців тому +1

    Would love to see Stun Spore on the Chikorita-line as well. Leech Seed, Stun Spore and Headbutt for Para-flinch set would make me love it! Teach it Protect as a TM and you've got yourself a Staller that I would actually use ingame!

  • @androidboyd
    @androidboyd Рік тому +1

    So Noctowl gets Psybeam at an earlier level than Confusion? That seems kind of backwards...
    EDIT: Muk also learns Sludge Bomb before Sludge? Same issue.

  • @D1A6NBA
    @D1A6NBA Рік тому +1

    wait wait wait hold on a minute.... hypno learning psycic and NOT dream eater??... It and its pre evolution are the OGs of using hypnosis into dream eating... what the hell?
    I even would give them night mare by leveling .. if there are apart from singing jigglypuff any pokemon famous for putting anything into sleep then it would be those two.^^

  • @lucasfialho1374
    @lucasfialho1374 Рік тому +1

    Gyarados getting fly?
    I dont know... isnt it look kinda over?
    Gyarados is a power house already, and being able to learn such a strong move, with STAB and utility HM at same time, just make it even better

  • @ThorinKyuubi
    @ThorinKyuubi Рік тому +13

    I'm really liking all the changes you are making, but I strongly recommend paying a little more attention to the japanese names of moves, pokémon, etc. Like, Hoppip learns Splash because in japanese the move's name is literally "hop". There's nothing to do with splashing water, it's not a water move and the only reason it was translated to splash is because at the time Magikarp was the only one learning it. So, considering the move name as Hop, it makes total sense.
    Also the Twister for Yanma makes zero sense. This pun only works in english, in other languages the insect has nothing to do with dragons.
    But please do not take this little criticism harshly, I'm liking the work you are doing and I'm hoping to be able to play your hack.

    • @kimotokirby1601
      @kimotokirby1601 Рік тому +3

      they literally used the same ''dragonfly'' with flygon, wich have NO reason to be dragon/ground outside of names in english, so yeah.

    • @CoadyShay
      @CoadyShay Рік тому

      I mean, that's not really his fault. It's an English game and movesets should make sense in that language. He's not doing a translation project, he's trying to improve the game. The Japanese version is irrelevant.

    • @mamutepeq
      @mamutepeq Рік тому +1

      To be fair, Twister lore-wise is just a strong wind, it doesn't have anything to do with dragons specifically besides being Dragon-type and being learned mostly by dragons on level up, the move descriptions just describe it as the user whipping up a big tornado. Also, Pidgey and Rufflet learn it by level up, and a bunch of birds and bugs learn it by breeding or by tutoring, so it would make sense for Yanma to learn it as it beats its wings really fast even if we take into account that the dragonfly thing only works in English.

    • @ThorinKyuubi
      @ThorinKyuubi Рік тому +1

      @@kimotokirby1601 Flygon is not a dragonfly, it's an antlion.

    • @ThorinKyuubi
      @ThorinKyuubi Рік тому

      @@mamutepeq If this was the case, the Yanma line would be able to learn it in later generations, which is not the case. The impact of japanese culture on these movesets, dex entries, typings, etc. is huge. You must account for the cultural context if you want to make sense of this game.

  • @Elfos64
    @Elfos64 Рік тому +1

    I feel like you kind of miss the point of Twineedle. It's supposed to be Beedrill's signature move, and here you are giving it to every underwhelming bug type (which is most bug types periods, that type sucked in early gens).

  • @waterierStone
    @waterierStone Рік тому +1

    Giving gyarados fly is insane. Like this might be the worst game to use a gyarados, but with physical bite and Fly its gonna be broken af. Gyarados was already op using thrash and earthquake. (If you don't change the tm locations then it won't be that busted)

  • @michaelquinones3572
    @michaelquinones3572 Рік тому +2

    Gligar should totally get access to mud slap.

  • @NoLongerNeedThis
    @NoLongerNeedThis Рік тому +1

    Generation 2 Pokémon learn no good moves, because of diminishing returns. Nothing is ever as satisfying the second time as it is the first. The baseline is already established, and always something ends up turning out not meeting it. Fast forward two decades and look where this snowball effect has led us. Now the franchise is a mess. A perfect lesson to be learned from this is to never put your heart into anything in the entire world, or you will be left with nothing but emptiness and despair once things spiral into madness and you are informed of just how insignificant you truly are. You never were in control. Even the small amount of control you thought you had was but an illusion.

  • @whodeygamer2114
    @whodeygamer2114 Рік тому +2

    Why did you give Noctowl Psybeam at level 20 but then give it a weaker same type move in confusion at level 34? Those moves should be switched around.

    • @kimotokirby1601
      @kimotokirby1601 Рік тому

      that happens in the main line too, and confusion is too weak anyways, it really doesnt matter

    • @whodeygamer2114
      @whodeygamer2114 Рік тому

      Noctowl didn’t learn psybeam in gen 2, that’s something that’s being added to this hack, and yes it does matter since SmithPlays wants to create the perfect Crystal rom hack. If he wants that then having weaker moves learned earlier than more powerful ones of the same type is a must.

    • @kimotokirby1601
      @kimotokirby1601 Рік тому

      @@whodeygamer2114 Lmao it doesn't matter, there is an option to, You know, not learn a move. It's not that deep.bro

  • @SeeZer0
    @SeeZer0 Рік тому +3

    Giving golduck psychic moves/ the psychic type is a good change it widens your range in what mons to use by it being a physical and special attacker and not the occasional starmie sweep something that can compete to that level a little bit

  • @prycenewberg3976
    @prycenewberg3976 Рік тому +2

    If you're taking requests, would you consider adding level-up Fighting moves to either poliwhirl or poliwrath? Currently, Wrath gets submission as its only level-up fighting move and Whirl gets nothing. Maybe Low Kick or something?
    It's always seemed a shame to me that the Poli line gets a really cool final evolution and a new type but ALMOST no moves for it.
    P.S. It could be really cool to give it a fighting move as an egg-move...

    • @JayClearman411
      @JayClearman411 2 місяці тому

      I think focus punch would be a good move for it to learn upon evolving

  • @LunickTMM
    @LunickTMM Рік тому +1

    On the legendary beasts, it feels super silly that they get the 95 base power moves at 31, then at level 41 they get the equivalent bad version of that move..I think they should be swapped, and possibly the 95 bp moves moves to like level 43-45.

    • @markkart
      @markkart Рік тому

      Good idea
      e.g. for raikou give it thunderbolt at 43 and spark at 31. Replace thunder shock with rain dance and thunder is at 55
      For entei move flamethrower to 43 and give it sunny day at 11 instead of ember and move fire blast to 55.
      You catch them at level 40 anyway, so levelling up a few levels for the stronger move isn't too bad.

  • @CyberchaoX
    @CyberchaoX Рік тому +1

    Just showing the new moves you added, it looks like Noctowl learns Psybeam before Confusion? Might want to switch those.

  • @migo.ff69b4
    @migo.ff69b4 Рік тому +1

    I can smell a certain poketuber complaining why Gligar can’t learn Mud Slap but Falkner’s flying pokemon can

  • @Lieutenant_Dude
    @Lieutenant_Dude Рік тому +8

    I loved Gen2, but the Gen4 remake's updates were drastically needed.

  • @jamesrodney951
    @jamesrodney951 Рік тому +1

    “Heracross has no good moves” okay sure,
    Oh wait, it only has the strongest bug STAB in the entire game!!!

  • @nickrobinson9629
    @nickrobinson9629 Рік тому +1

    No roar on the beasts seems quite controversial. It's one of the more memorable moments for Jhoto, to grind catching the beasts. Frustration reasons, but its still a 'Jhoto' moment.

  • @KodasGarden
    @KodasGarden Рік тому +1

    Johto's other big problem is that the leveling and balance is dog water. I don't care that you can do a few badges in a different order if the consequences is terrible balance.

  • @AntR803
    @AntR803 Рік тому +1

    Surprised Meganium wasn’t given Petal Dance, I thought it was somewhat obvious 🤷

  • @pimplyface64
    @pimplyface64 Рік тому +1

    The implications is that the garados jumps out of the water.
    Should have been body slam instead of fly.

  • @GrandemagicoWall
    @GrandemagicoWall Рік тому +1

    "Speaking of psychic types learning no psychic moves, Golduck... "

  • @pixality7902
    @pixality7902 Рік тому +1

    Hoppip knows splash because splash is actually supposed to be hop but was mistranslated. Still an ah move to have no damaging moves but its not the first or the last theyve done that to.

  • @CodyTheJester
    @CodyTheJester Рік тому +1

    It's really like they saw that Bulbasaur was pretty good in Kanto and "Stop that." in Johto.

  • @nleon1313
    @nleon1313 Рік тому +1

    Add some content in Cianwood City place is so forgettable maybe make an event where you can unlock gs ball for celebi

  • @Spaget99
    @Spaget99 Рік тому +1

    Could you give Goldeen and seaking drill peck? It would make sense and it's a great coverage move. Also maybe megahorn if you want!

  • @omarmendez0402
    @omarmendez0402 Рік тому +1

    Give Bayleaf Fairy Wind at level 22 and Magenium Dazzling Gleam at level 40
    Give Quilava ExtremeSpeed at level 25 and Typhosion Sacred Fire at level 54
    Give Felarigator Dragon Claw at level 35 and Outrage at level 56

  • @koltensmith3974
    @koltensmith3974 Рік тому +1

    Honestly Feraligtr is a physical attacker, yet all water in gen 2 is special. So Feraligtr is kind of terrible, lol

  • @owengonzalez6819
    @owengonzalez6819 Рік тому +1

    Is there gonna be a website where we can view these changes without having to revisit the videos? Basically covering stat changes, move changes, etc.

  • @Elfking94
    @Elfking94 Рік тому +1

    I don't know man, jhoto is so under leveled it wouldn't surprise me to run into fire blast at 38

  • @Miumiu0404
    @Miumiu0404 Рік тому +1

    So is there a Crystal rom we can download with all these changes?

  • @purplespacetaco222
    @purplespacetaco222 Рік тому +2

    I think giving hitmonchan Mach punch as an early stab move would be a good way to make him better

  • @renatatostada3318
    @renatatostada3318 Рік тому +1

    If you don't give Likitung "Lick," you are taking the biggest L homie

  • @cannontommervik9753
    @cannontommervik9753 11 місяців тому +1

    Full evolution Pokémon should get gige drain middle get’s mega drain

  • @SoulXCross.
    @SoulXCross. Рік тому +1

    I love these video updates lmao, even tho i'm in the discord

  • @aceclover758
    @aceclover758 Рік тому +1

    Yea gen 2 was fun but horrible in many aspects
    Move pools were garbage

  • @ThirtyDimensionedMissile
    @ThirtyDimensionedMissile Рік тому +1

    To be honest despite all its flaws i personally love johto

  • @Salem_Rabbit
    @Salem_Rabbit Рік тому +1

    It always cringes me that chikorita uses vine whip in a anime but do not learn it in games.

  • @Nedoiko
    @Nedoiko Рік тому +1

    its a little silly but in Japanese, Splash is called "Hop", thats why hoppip gets it at level 1

  • @grrman
    @grrman Рік тому +2

    Honestly, can't wait to see this finished! Crystal has been a favourite of mine for years, but the move pools and lack of viability for so many mons pained me greatly.

  • @FizzikkOfficial
    @FizzikkOfficial Рік тому +2

    I'm playing Crystal for the first time soon so I can get Celebi. I know it'd be so much to try to make an actual team on top of the movesets youve stated so I am just going to use Typhlosion. I played so much of Soul Silver and beat Yellow so I think i'll be fine. I had no idea the gen 4 and gen 2 movesets were that different for johto pokemon. I thought Cyndaquil got Ember at level 10.