As we all do… It is however, very satisfying to know that Vegeta is just as popular as Goku, even moreso in certain polls, in spite of how Toriyama plays him. Think about that, even his own creator can’t keep him down 💯
@JustinMedina-ro8duVegeta isn’t popular based on wins cause he hardly does until recently in super. He’s popular in spite of hardly ever winning. He doesn’t get given W’s at the end of every arc, every DB movie, etc. Hell, Super starts off wit a W being straight snatched from him & given to Goku on some bullshit & ppl just still love dude. So my point stands 💯
Goku will always be the greatest fighter with the greatest heart. Until Vegeta gets over his cuck beta soy boy low self esteem he will never be great like Goku. He can come close by he needs to get over himself. Until then, eat dirt Vegeta.
What’s y’all obsession with super returning? if it does return it’s still gonna get criticized.. the moro and granolah arc animated will be no different.
I think Vegeta will end up either mastering Ultra Ego or obtain his own version of Ultra Ego where he can access it despite his character development instead of trying to resort back to his old ways. Similar to what Goku did with True UI.
I would love to see Vageta use instant transmission multi body and body groth/shrinking that he learned along with the ability to un Fuze and take stolen energy from people. Imagine a tall Vageta
@@troybrown2563 From what I remember, I don’t think he ordered him. He had a grudge against saiyans because of king vegeta keeping the worlds most comfortable pillow to himself and giving him the second best so when he found out that frieza wanted to destroy them he just didn’t disapprove it.
Oh hell yeahhhhhhhh, I've been waiting for this episode in the series. Ultra Ego is sick but we need to see it take home a win as well, the Prince has damn well earned it at this point.
@@elvangulley3210thank god they finally let vegeta beat goku at the end of the super hero arc and he was stronger then goku at the end of the granola arc
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It’s a perfect form for vegeta, but my only problem with this form is how Vegeta fights in that form. I think what vegeta needs to do is take damage but dish out damage at the same time. With his granohla fight, he just kept tanking and then attacking. If he fought like Yuji Itadori and power through damage so he can also simultaneously give damage to his opponent, he’d be able to get stronger while also weakening his opponent at the same time. And of course dodge any fatal blows if he needs to.
Vegeta and Goku will both reach Beerus level that is a fact since it is stated by the prophecy of the Oracle Fish. They will become his strongest greatest rivals so it will happen at some point. For right now Vegeta is far behind Beerus since Vegeta cant use Destruction powers snd techniques like Beerus snd Beerus Ultra Ego is mastered compared to Vegeta's. As stated by Toyotarou Ultra Ego is the technique of the Gods of Destruction.
Oh they'll reach Beerus' level eventually. The Saiyans could literally hone their UI and UE powers to that extent. Heck, Whis implies that, if Goku hones his UI enough, it could potentially reach the Grand Priest (Or at the very least, Whis states to Goku that he has at least THAT much room to grow regarding his Ultra Instinct).
So, in other words, Vegeta is a tank but gets an attack and defense buff for every big or fatal blow? Scary. Imagine Vegeta using the forced spirit fission to take the energy from his opponent and uses it to heal himself while in the Ultra Ego state? Now THAT’S gonna be a next to impossible Vegeta to take down!
UE: Mind always on Destruction -Beerus (Thinking)(Offense) UI: You body must move independently without thinking -Whis (Instinct)(Defense) I wouldn’t be surprised if they fuse together that they both would be slightly exposed to the impurities of each technique making them able to slightly use it in their own body and way. It’s always been argued that the transformation or “state of being” is the limit of their powers. Whis stated it in the beginning and latter part of super. Goku must use UI in his way. That means at some point I would be surprised to see UESS and UISS, taking those impurities of Ego and instinct and making it a more easier technique to handle kinda like BlueKK technique Goku uses. Either way Goku has never master any form only Vegeta, so I believe that’s why Whis told him (or the writers) that he must make it his own instead of booting into UI. Either way these guys will have to not be able to transform and fight in base form like ultimate Gohan as I felt he should’ve been the one to get it first as he supposed to have to most potential and the fact he’s been fighting in base form for years, so it’s definitely contradictory of the writers to not let that Ultimate route be the direction of UI because my question is what does the angels look like not in the form, last I check his brother looked the same. Either way the strongest charcter such as Beerus, Jiren, Granolah don’t utilize transformations anyways so I would like to see how they either phase out transformations or say how they are meaningful because at the beginning Whis and Beerus mentioned it had it’s limitations.
Vegeta is the GOAT of db in my opinion, tbh goku was my favorite character when i was a kid but i got over him and became a vegeta fan ever since dbs started...he is awesome what can i say
Ultra Ego and Ultra Instinct both are derived from real life martial arts respectively. Let me explain: -look closely at matches from the UFC(mcgreggor vs aldo)-Connor's control over his emotions/Aldos lack of control over his, gave Aldo a clear severe disadvantage[U.I.] or Boxing(mayweather vs mcgreggor)-floyd truly believed in his ability as a boxer to win against the greatest MMA fighter in history [U.E.] Goku/angel U.I.: When in combat or any life situation, you must maintain total control of your emotions to control thoughts and think not only clearly, but tactically. The ability to maintain control over emotions like fear, anger, over excitement ETC, gives you a clear advantage over anyone who can't. Like Floyd mayweather, kobe, Peyton manning, tiger woods, etc Vegeta/hakaishins U.E.: When in combat, playing halo, tic tac toe, or really anything in life, you must truly believe you have the ability to win no matter the odds. If you do not possess true belief in yourself to be rank 1 in and at whatever you do in life you are passionate about like at your job, racing your friends, playing sports, arm wrestling, writing books, or faxing your company's paperwork thats actually important, then youll more than likely never win, unless luck plays part, also known in MMA as the punchers/fighters chance, against an opponent who has absolute belief in his/her own capabilities. Like lebron james, chuck liddel, Dr Disrespect, tom brady, drake, etc. Now to get to friezas and brolys significance in all of this: No matter what it is you do in life, there is someone always better with an uncanny natural gift who can display both.....Confidence in own ability/sheer determination or will to win(U.E) and complete control remaining unphased in anyway mentally, seem to always be a frame ahead. Like Anderson Siva, Michael Jordan, Usain bolt, Michael Phelps, etc
Mayweather didn’t win because of his self belief… he won because he was the best boxer in this generation - literally raised to be a boxer… and Mcgreggor had virtually zero boxing experience at the pro level … it wasn’t even close
Blue evolved is In the manga too. He attains it out of anger once goku reaches UI Sign. The transformation sends Top flying, it was that intense. Vegeta uses it again multiple times in later manga issues vs Moro, and even Granolah.
Vegeta will let go of his guilt through his family/honor/other courages traits. Instead of negative energy. Basically, forgiving himself through those traits in order to let go and use true ultra ego.
I think Ultra Ego works differently from an "absorbing fisical damage" power. It's more like special habilities in some games, in the sense that, when you suffer damage and lose hit points, you gain a boost on your damage stat. You get to cause more damage, yes, but you don't just heal the hit points you lost.
Theory I’d like to share with you explaining Beerus fluctuating power levels: he gets stronger the longer he stays awake. That’s why when he first woke up, he was only using 90 percent of his power. And he’s been getting stronger the longer he’s awake. Might be dumb but thought I’d run it by you.
This form was so hype when it first dropped & is such a dope ass concept for a form that while it’s another color swap, it has its own unique features that makes it cool af. I loved how this was the antithesis of UI since UI is attained by training w/ Angels, the concept of a form attained with Hakai energy is the most creative form in Super (or equal with UI bc I love the concept of using pure instinct/reflexes rather than training/skill). BUT the hype died for me when it was revealed that Toriyama didn’t create UE & it was Toybles creation (with Toriyama’s permission/approval) which kind of killed it for me. Idk why but its one of those things that with something as major as a new crazy transformation it feels cheapened bc it didn’t come from the true author. I know there’s no such thing as “cannon” in Super (probably Daima too from the looks of it) & Toyble is Toriyama’s failed apprentice but I can’t take something seriously in a story that Toriyama is directly involved in as the overall story writer but he himself didn’t create. It feels unofficial af, just like Blue Evolution. That doesn’t take away from the awesome concept of the form itself, but it loses its legitimacy imo.
Oh hell yea this is exactly what I needed right now perfect timing it’s been a tough day and an ultra ego Vegeta Geekdom video just made it all worth it. 👍🏼
I hate when people say Vegeta is nowhere near the power of goku.... I hate to admit it but now I can see why some people say dragon Ball fans can't read😔
i dont agree the weaknesses in Ultra-Ego being mostly from being outspeed. It seems there is still limits to the ammout of damage Vegeta can absorb in that transformation. If the blow is too high, the power difference too big (as it happened with Black Freeza) or the accumulated damage over time too big, the transformation ultimately... "breaks". I believe its dependant of the user own resistance, efficiency and mastery of this transformation, but it isnt clear how it works in detail. We can expect, with more intense training, Vegeta to be able to withstand higher and higher damage outputs, gaining more and more power, THEN yes being almost impossible to defeat. Its a flawed transformation (yet) but with enormous potential no doubt.
Like he said Vegeta hasn’t fully mastered it yet. Makes perfect sense you don’t want to rush its development of the transformation. Goku is going through it now with UI
My take was he’d want to keep the fight has even as possible so that when they both start to tire Vegeta takes more damage he begins to become the aggressor due to his power increasing
@@aka-fusion8909 i woudnt say useless, just very flawed. Ultra Ego can take damage to boost its own power, indefinitely it seems. So, in theory, Vegeta damage potencial is infinite but is still limited to the ammount the damage he can take. That will be his his main challenge in this transformation: able to take higher and higher ammounts of damage, resist better, or absorb it (somehow). If he fully masters this transformation, Vegeta might be close to unstoppable
DEFINITELY the coolest form in the series To add to you saying he has ki control after training with the yardrats that "maybe even Goku can't do," Goku CAN'T do it. He only stayed long enough to learn Instant Transmission.
@@YouDontLikeMe-fi1zh maybe to you. Dragon Ball Super Super Hero feels that way, especially in the manga to me tbh. This felt more like a natural evolution, giving /ourguy/ his own form and path of development proper
Once he masters it he will be really hard to beat. Physical damage gets converted and ki blast gets vaporize through hikai shield if he uses it like Topo.
Maybe Vegeta can use the haai energy and the Spirit bomb technique to create a new move which they have shown in GT revenge death ball that baby Vegeta used. Now that's babies move but they can just redcon that move to being Vegeta's move.
It definitely would be cool, if Vegeta incorperates hakai into his normal ki attacks. Seeing things like a hakai galick gun, or a hakai big bang attack would be very cool. It would allow vegeta to do incredible things. Imagine a hakai + forced spirit fission, or an instant hakai galick gun if Vegeta ever tried to learn instant transmission again.
It should of had some sort of healing factor, also could of had a stacking zenkai ontop of it (making a saiyan GoD even more dangerous) It came off goofy af for him to catch an L because "wow, maybe a transformation that relies on getting my ass kicked was pretty dumb" *passes out*
@@Geekdom101 Would you say that differences between Goku & Vegeta’s initial God Ki channeling, Hakai Ki and Angelic Ki are marked by different ‘types’ all together or more by sequential levels of power on a spectrum? Or a bit of both?
Ultra Ego boosts the fighter's power and continues to boost it as their fighting spirit burns. This form allows the fighter to use Hakai energy to destroy objects & people. For Ultra Ego to work the fighter must enter into a Destroyer mindset; The user thinks of nothing except destruction. The process of reducing thoughts converts Ki to God Ki however, when thoughts of destruction remain, the God Ki transforms into energy of destruction(which Beerus uses to make his Ki blasts). The fighter draws out incredible power by reveling in combat while ignoring everything and everyone else. In Vegeta's case, in particular, he allows himself into this sense of combat by receiving damage from his opponent, fueling his bloodlust as a result. The damage he was receiving allowed him to use it as a stimulant to further delve into Ultra Ego to grow stronger. The weakness of Ultra Ego is the mindset of the user. If the user is does not posses a mindset that is focused solely on destruction they cannot utilize this godly technique to its full capacity. If the user is riddled with guilt from their past or present actions this will also diminish the effectiveness of the technique. The gods of destruction only have their mindset on destruction not any form of good or evil. For a mortal to use this technique effectively they must remove themselves from any guilty feelings and destroy their old self. Also if the users body takes too much damage they will eventually lose the form and/or become unconscious.
Hope Ultra Ego Vegeta makes it to Sparking Zero as DLC! Imagine Vegeta getting buffs in this form in PvP as he takes damage he can do double the damage back
Anyone who knows the anime community knows Vegeta is just as popular as Goku, in spite of his L’s, lack of plot armor & Toroyama’s dislike of him. His very own creator can’t even hold him back. THAT is Power!!
This 10:00 is the perfect setup for him to kill Freiza. The Emperor is the one person Vegeta can "LET GO OF HIMSELF" and access the full power of Hakaishin power and finally get his 35+ year W he deserves.
If vegeta can find a way to mix it with the healing ability of super saiyan god that can be a difficult vegeta to beat because he can take even more physical damage.
@Geekdom101 From the original English subtitles of the Japanese dub dvd set, as Baby Vegeta gathering the energy to create the Revenge Death Ball states to kid Goku "I will scatter your molecules- no, down to your individual atoms, so much so that you can never return to life again". Hmm...definitely sounds like Hakai technique 😉 My point, a lot of things that took place in GT was ported over to Super, just like how SSJ4 Gogeta's Eye Attack to Omega Shenron's face was demonstrated by Full Power Jiren against UI Goku. Lol probably Goku vividly remembers that technique by Jiren and figured as SSJ4 Gogeta he'd give it a shot against Omega Shenron.
Been a while since I checked out a video from you, not intentional, just been busy as hell. But as always, my dude, your videos are very insightful and informative. Thank you for all the work you do Danny!
I think in the future Goku and Vegeta will be equal in certain aspects and stronger than each other in certain aspects due to the different trajectories of their training.
Anyone else thought of this? Saiyans gets stronger from battles. Ultra Ego gets stronger for getting beat up. Put Vegeta in the time chamber with this knowledge. He would be a beast!
Time to repost my list of things I think Vegeta could do with Spirit Control and Forced Spirit Fission: Ki Reading - be able to read how an opponent is using ki possibly to a level where he can achieve practical precognition of a second Enemy Ki Manipulation - with each strike he mis-aligns his opponents ki with the effect of draining their stamina much faster Ki-dismantle - use forced spirit fission on energy attacks to disperse them instead of having to block them, even partial success may reduce damage of the attack Ki-usurpation - catch an attack and take it over Well just my ideas!
good video brother, congratulations, I was surprised by the idea of mixing the forced partition with the UE, it would be something very striking, but it is something that I doubt Vegeta would do, he has not even tried using it on an individual rival just to see if he can divide his KI without need to be fused, although I think it could, since it was with Hatsuka that he tried it, and it should be noted that he is only one individual. Having said that, the most interesting thing is how the perfect UE is, because it can have many more hidden abilities, for example, having an aura like Toppo's in the anime, but that not only destroys ki waves, but also destroys Whoever tries to hit him erases his limb, as well as with each blow he throws he erases the rival's impacted area, Toyota already said that it is something like "move your body freely", which could lead him to "move regardless of the damage", cancel the pain of the body to fight without stopping (like Ajax from Marvel), another very interesting thing is that each ki attack already has the hakai incorporated. There are few examples, but with just these + the constant increase in power they would make the perfect UE the most dangerous-powerful DB technique, far above the UI again, congratulations on the video brother, very well done, keep it up 👍👍👍👍
When he master ki control and ultra ego I wanna see him do something similar to todo from jjk where he can clap and switch with spots with people imagine fighting goku and you’re winning he out of nowhere disappear and niw standing by vegeta but instead multiple hakai balls infront of u. Or hakai clones that if u defeat the clone it will then blowup with hakai energy doing damage on the opponent
I loved this video but one small issue goku and vegeta WERE NOT caught off guard It was even stated that they powered up and ready when frieza came so he wasn't caught off guard frieza is just too strong and quick
Blue Evolution is also in the manga. It looks almost the same with the Royal blue hair and aura except that Vegeta in the manga doesn’t gain bigger muscles like he does in the anime version and his veins don’t pop out in the manga
about Toppo, no idea, but in the manga was stated by Vegeta Ultra-Ego transformation being a unique thing Vegeta created from Hakai power and teachings, not totally related to the technique. Toppo was being trained directly as a God of Destruction, so his own mastery of Hakai might be different, but who knows, just speculation
Ultra Ego brings something else interesting to light about the Destroyers themselves. Vegeta described this form as something completely unique to himself, that it’s something that awakened what he is at his core. If taken seriously, then this could mean that what the power the Hakai offers can unlock the true nature of its user and increase their natural abilities to an unbelievable extent. For Vegeta, it increases not only his power, but it also evolved his natural abilities (like Zenkais and his emotional drive increases his power during battle) and primitive nature which connects back to him being a Saiyan (who were a race of primal alien monkey-humanoid warriors who always crave for the thrill of battle and even when defeated, got stronger after surviving/healing their injuries).
I would love a Sadala arc focusing on the saiyans but mainly Vegeta and Cabba. While Vegeta’s visting Planet Sadala Frieza learns of its existence and out of spite goes to launch an assault on it. Maybe Frieza kills the king of Sadala or something but both Cabba and Vegeta reach new levels with Cabba reaching SSJ3 and Vegeta mastering UE and ultimately Hakai-ing Frieza from existance getting revenge for not only for U7 saiyans but for U6 and his father. Ik people would prolly be upset if Frieza is erased from existence but it would be so fitting for not only Vegeta’s character but would also prevent the “Frieza’s back again” card from being reused.
Probably why Toppo access Destruction Ki because he let go of the guilt as a Pride Trooper when he said he didn’t care. Vegeta is a walking Vibranium suit. When Goku and Vegeta fuse Imagine Gogeta/Vegeto getting beat up at the beginning of the fight and he stores all of that kinetic energy turns it to potential energy and goes into offensive mode and start dishing it back while dodging and hit you with a Hakai Spirt Bomb. He would literally make a black whole out of his opps.
Nice as always Danny. You should do a Black Frieza next just to show some of these fans how much of a gap there is between Him and our heroes. Which is a good reason why Black Frieza should get the Thanos treatment and build up a few arcs
@@kynshiiit's not too far fetched to think that. Whis hinted at someone else being the strongest in the universe, and when u compare them to toriyama statements about gohan and statements from the movie, you get gohan being the strongest "warrior" in the universe
I’ve always seen the “powering up as he gets hit” thing as that getting hit makes him want to kill/destroy his opponent which therefor makes him stronger with UE. It’s hard to think peaceful thoughts when you are getting pounded. However I’m also not an alien that can fight and do crazy stuff so maybe I’m wrong
In my eyes( and this is just me lol) getes became the most dangerous person in the series when he picked up all those techniques from the yardrats. Ultra ego makes him terrifying to me. 🔥
i wished that the look of vegeta's ultra ego form was more like the Majin Vegeta design, minus the "M" branding on his forehead. Especially since Majin Vegeta was a persona of Vegeta's ego.
Huge Huge VEGETA Fan so when you do content on it I love it and can't click fast enough.. hopefully he can evolve ultra instinct and have a mastered form or evolve it to something further.. let's Go VEGETA.. Give VEGETA his Tail back since he knows how to Control his Great Ape Form like the Saiyan Saga.. Vegeta deserves his Tail back
Fun fact,Though UI and UE are based on opposite philosophies they have one thing in common: letting go.Letting go of thought for UI and letting go of remorse for UE
For me the Ultra Ego transformation might be my favourite for the Saiyans in Dragon Ball buuuut I don't really want Vegeta to keep using it. I think this would have been a great fit for him during the Frieza arc but I like the idea that he can't shed the guilt of what he's done or decides that he wants to continue to grow as a Saiyan and gets a new Super Saiyan form OR since Broly isn't the new LSS maybe it could be Vegeta
Assuming that Toppo completed his training with the U11 angel Marcarita to fully take over the role as destroyer god of the 11th I wonder how a fight would go down between him Vs U.E Vegeta
I think vegeta will learn how to combine his ultra ego with his training to use his power better as he said recently in the manga...when he can master his own power and stamina use he can take way more damage, making him stronger...and if he uses forced spirit fission on top to heal himself or weaken the opponent...vegeta will VERY SOON climb on top of the db cast, maybe even outmatching black freeza (just assuming...we dont really know HOW powerful freeza is now)
Is it weird that I want to see a new threat appear and Vegeta goes Ultra Ego/G.O.D and dominates on a Beerus level where he is leagues ahead and looks like an actual God.
I need to hear Chris Sabat say: “A god of destruction once taught me this. A power derived solely from instinct is *UNBOUNDED* “ And: “Kakarrots body may have a mind of its own but I’m all ego. In fact why dont we go ahead and call this *ULTRA EGO* “
I feel mastered ego should have some angelic properties to it. Something not in ui but specific to the angels bc Vegeta isn't a hero but isn't a villain either. Or let him be the first to tap into ui & ego lbs.
Always down for more Vegeta content. He has the greatest character arc in dragon ball for me.
I wish akira toriyama would give him the shine he deserves.
As we all do… It is however, very satisfying to know that Vegeta is just as popular as Goku, even moreso in certain polls, in spite of how Toriyama plays him. Think about that, even his own creator can’t keep him down 💯
@JustinMedina-ro8duVegeta isn’t popular based on wins cause he hardly does until recently in super. He’s popular in spite of hardly ever winning. He doesn’t get given W’s at the end of every arc, every DB movie, etc. Hell, Super starts off wit a W being straight snatched from him & given to Goku on some bullshit & ppl just still love dude. So my point stands 💯
Vegeta has been getting a lot of hate recently so it’s nice seeing him get appreciated
Goku will always be the greatest fighter with the greatest heart. Until Vegeta gets over his cuck beta soy boy low self esteem he will never be great like Goku. He can come close by he needs to get over himself. Until then, eat dirt Vegeta.
Can’t wait to see this form animated. Maybe in 100 years from now when Super returns.
Still didn't answer the question
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@@wompastompa3692thank you for the good laugh 😂🎉
What’s y’all obsession with super returning? if it does return it’s still gonna get criticized.. the moro and granolah arc animated will be no different.
@@GuyVickExactly people's are fucking strange 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
I think Vegeta will end up either mastering Ultra Ego or obtain his own version of Ultra Ego where he can access it despite his character development instead of trying to resort back to his old ways. Similar to what Goku did with True UI.
Won't matter he will always lose because dragon ball can't do anything different
Like what True ultra ego?
@@elvangulley3210True^^
It doesnt matter what form he gets.He is destined to loose
@@Authenticnerd123 bc toriyama, if he make vegita like zoro or kilua as side character
Strong enough to handle a beat down.
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and falls asleep after
Hey if you can take a beating you're tough and if you can dish it out you are strong. He is both.
I would love to see Vageta use instant transmission multi body and body groth/shrinking that he learned along with the ability to un Fuze and take stolen energy from people. Imagine a tall Vageta
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Frieza could probably gain ultra ego a lot faster than vegeta seeing as how he is NEVER guilty
Ultra Ego is perfect for someone like Frieza. He can take a beating and has no guilty conscience.
Vegeta had to learn it.
@grandoblivion5268 oh yeah. Even after feeling the fear goku put into him, he still continued killing and destroying planets just for the fun of it!
Didn’t beerus order freiza to destroy planet vegeta. I think berrus liked freiza but now goku is growing on him since he realized his true potential
@@troybrown2563 From what I remember, I don’t think he ordered him. He had a grudge against saiyans because of king vegeta keeping the worlds most comfortable pillow to himself and giving him the second best so when he found out that frieza wanted to destroy them he just didn’t disapprove it.
Everything from Moro and the Granola arc. UE Vegeta is my most anticipated scene to see animated.
Oh hell yeahhhhhhhh, I've been waiting for this episode in the series. Ultra Ego is sick but we need to see it take home a win as well, the Prince has damn well earned it at this point.
You know damn well they won't let him win against anyone of importance
@@elvangulley3210thank god they finally let vegeta beat goku at the end of the super hero arc and he was stronger then goku at the end of the granola arc
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Great explanation of WHY Vegeta lost to Granola! It will take time for Vegeta to let go of all his guilt and have the same mindset as Beerus.
This form has limitless potential of strength to me, and Vegeta is just now understanding its power
It’s a perfect form for vegeta, but my only problem with this form is how Vegeta fights in that form.
I think what vegeta needs to do is take damage but dish out damage at the same time.
With his granohla fight, he just kept tanking and then attacking. If he fought like Yuji Itadori and power through damage so he can also simultaneously give damage to his opponent, he’d be able to get stronger while also weakening his opponent at the same time. And of course dodge any fatal blows if he needs to.
He got laid out twice
@@karshinp7896he also should combine hakai with his big bang attack and final flash that way his attacks aren’t just big ki blasts
Vegeta and Goku will both reach Beerus level that is a fact since it is stated by the prophecy of the Oracle Fish. They will become his strongest greatest rivals so it will happen at some point.
For right now Vegeta is far behind Beerus since Vegeta cant use Destruction powers snd techniques like Beerus snd Beerus Ultra Ego is mastered compared to Vegeta's.
As stated by Toyotarou Ultra Ego is the technique of the Gods of Destruction.
Oh they'll reach Beerus' level eventually. The Saiyans could literally hone their UI and UE powers to that extent.
Heck, Whis implies that, if Goku hones his UI enough, it could potentially reach the Grand Priest (Or at the very least, Whis states to Goku that he has at least THAT much room to grow regarding his Ultra Instinct).
So, in other words, Vegeta is a tank but gets an attack and defense buff for every big or fatal blow? Scary. Imagine Vegeta using the forced spirit fission to take the energy from his opponent and uses it to heal himself while in the Ultra Ego state? Now THAT’S gonna be a next to impossible Vegeta to take down!
Holy shit!….that actually sounds crazy🤦🏽♂️🔥🔥🔥🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️
Woaah that would be Immortal Ego Vegeta! 😂
I wanna see UE vegeta vs jiren next 😂 all those little projectile punches we’ll just make vegeta overwhelming
@@Stoicsaiyanvegeta could nullify them since thats the true power of hakai energy nullification
Amazing work as always! Cant wait to see vegeta further mastering this power!
He's definitely been training to perfect it which we'll definitely see in the next arc
UE: Mind always on Destruction -Beerus
(Thinking)(Offense)
UI: You body must move independently without thinking -Whis
(Instinct)(Defense)
I wouldn’t be surprised if they fuse together that they both would be slightly exposed to the impurities of each technique making them able to slightly use it in their own body and way. It’s always been argued that the transformation or “state of being” is the limit of their powers. Whis stated it in the beginning and latter part of super. Goku must use UI in his way. That means at some point I would be surprised to see UESS and UISS, taking those impurities of Ego and instinct and making it a more easier technique to handle kinda like BlueKK technique Goku uses. Either way Goku has never master any form only Vegeta, so I believe that’s why Whis told him (or the writers) that he must make it his own instead of booting into UI. Either way these guys will have to not be able to transform and fight in base form like ultimate Gohan as I felt he should’ve been the one to get it first as he supposed to have to most potential and the fact he’s been fighting in base form for years, so it’s definitely contradictory of the writers to not let that Ultimate route be the direction of UI because my question is what does the angels look like not in the form, last I check his brother looked the same. Either way the strongest charcter such as Beerus, Jiren, Granolah don’t utilize transformations anyways so I would like to see how they either phase out transformations or say how they are meaningful because at the beginning Whis and Beerus mentioned it had it’s limitations.
Vegeta is the GOAT of db in my opinion, tbh goku was my favorite character when i was a kid but i got over him and became a vegeta fan ever since dbs started...he is awesome what can i say
Vegeta has been my favorite as a kid, and that hasn't changed as an adult. He's indeed awesome.
Ultra Ego and Ultra Instinct both are derived from real life martial arts respectively. Let me explain:
-look closely at matches from the UFC(mcgreggor vs aldo)-Connor's control over his emotions/Aldos lack of control over his, gave Aldo a clear severe disadvantage[U.I.] or Boxing(mayweather vs mcgreggor)-floyd truly believed in his ability as a boxer to win against the greatest MMA fighter in history [U.E.] Goku/angel U.I.: When in combat or any life situation, you must maintain total control of your emotions to control thoughts and think not only clearly, but tactically. The ability to maintain control over emotions like fear, anger, over excitement ETC, gives you a clear advantage over anyone who can't. Like Floyd mayweather, kobe, Peyton manning, tiger woods, etc
Vegeta/hakaishins U.E.: When in combat, playing halo, tic tac toe, or really anything in life, you must truly believe you have the ability to win no matter the odds. If you do not possess true belief in yourself to be rank 1 in and at whatever you do in life you are passionate about like at your job, racing your friends, playing sports, arm wrestling, writing books, or faxing your company's paperwork thats actually important, then youll more than likely never win, unless luck plays part, also known in MMA as the punchers/fighters chance, against an opponent who has absolute belief in his/her own capabilities. Like lebron james, chuck liddel, Dr Disrespect, tom brady, drake, etc. Now to get to friezas and brolys significance in all of this: No matter what it is you do in life, there is someone always better with an uncanny natural gift who can display both.....Confidence in own ability/sheer determination or will to win(U.E) and complete control remaining unphased in anyway mentally, seem to always be a frame ahead. Like Anderson Siva, Michael Jordan, Usain bolt, Michael Phelps, etc
Great breakdown here.
@geekdom101 thoughts?
Mayweather didn’t win because of his self belief… he won because he was the best boxer in this generation - literally raised to be a boxer… and Mcgreggor had virtually zero boxing experience at the pro level … it wasn’t even close
Blue evolved is In the manga too. He attains it out of anger once goku reaches UI Sign. The transformation sends Top flying, it was that intense. Vegeta uses it again multiple times in later manga issues vs Moro, and even Granolah.
Very well done sir! No one can explain these things better than Geekdom
I disagree he isn't the best power scaler. He isn't bad but not the best
@@Dr.Zoidberg_2914this wasn't a power scaling vid, its more like an analysis
@@Dr.Zoidberg_2914Not even a power scaling video. But since you had a retort, you should probably give the person you think is best.
@@HansDester ssj ryu1 probably is the best and I like chuck
Vegeta will let go of his guilt through his family/honor/other courages traits. Instead of negative energy. Basically, forgiving himself through those traits in order to let go and use true ultra ego.
I think Ultra Ego works differently from an "absorbing fisical damage" power. It's more like special habilities in some games, in the sense that, when you suffer damage and lose hit points, you gain a boost on your damage stat. You get to cause more damage, yes, but you don't just heal the hit points you lost.
Theory I’d like to share with you explaining Beerus fluctuating power levels: he gets stronger the longer he stays awake. That’s why when he first woke up, he was only using 90 percent of his power. And he’s been getting stronger the longer he’s awake. Might be dumb but thought I’d run it by you.
Ultra instinct: let your body move freely and moving on its own
Ultra ego: move your body freely and doing as you please
This form was so hype when it first dropped & is such a dope ass concept for a form that while it’s another color swap, it has its own unique features that makes it cool af. I loved how this was the antithesis of UI since UI is attained by training w/ Angels, the concept of a form attained with Hakai energy is the most creative form in Super (or equal with UI bc I love the concept of using pure instinct/reflexes rather than training/skill). BUT the hype died for me when it was revealed that Toriyama didn’t create UE & it was Toybles creation (with Toriyama’s permission/approval) which kind of killed it for me. Idk why but its one of those things that with something as major as a new crazy transformation it feels cheapened bc it didn’t come from the true author. I know there’s no such thing as “cannon” in Super (probably Daima too from the looks of it) & Toyble is Toriyama’s failed apprentice but I can’t take something seriously in a story that Toriyama is directly involved in as the overall story writer but he himself didn’t create. It feels unofficial af, just like Blue Evolution. That doesn’t take away from the awesome concept of the form itself, but it loses its legitimacy imo.
Oh hell yea this is exactly what I needed right now perfect timing it’s been a tough day and an ultra ego Vegeta Geekdom video just made it all worth it. 👍🏼
Vegeta should combine UE with his existing techniques like Spirit Fission, Hakai-charged Galik Gun or Final Flash etc.
Mannn I don’t think anybody would survive a galik gun hakai blast 😭
Thanks geekdom for feeding my vegeta appetite for knowledge 😮
I hate when people say Vegeta is nowhere near the power of goku.... I hate to admit it but now I can see why some people say dragon Ball fans can't read😔
i dont agree the weaknesses in Ultra-Ego being mostly from being outspeed. It seems there is still limits to the ammout of damage Vegeta can absorb in that transformation. If the blow is too high, the power difference too big (as it happened with Black Freeza) or the accumulated damage over time too big, the transformation ultimately... "breaks". I believe its dependant of the user own resistance, efficiency and mastery of this transformation, but it isnt clear how it works in detail. We can expect, with more intense training, Vegeta to be able to withstand higher and higher damage outputs, gaining more and more power, THEN yes being almost impossible to defeat. Its a flawed transformation (yet) but with enormous potential no doubt.
Like he said Vegeta hasn’t fully mastered it yet. Makes perfect sense you don’t want to rush its development of the transformation. Goku is going through it now with UI
My take was he’d want to keep the fight has even as possible so that when they both start to tire Vegeta takes more damage he begins to become the aggressor due to his power increasing
The form is kind of useless compared to UI, avoiding damage is always better then taking
@@aka-fusion8909 eventually youd just get stronger than the person dealing damage to you and slap em away
@@aka-fusion8909 i woudnt say useless, just very flawed. Ultra Ego can take damage to boost its own power, indefinitely it seems. So, in theory, Vegeta damage potencial is infinite but is still limited to the ammount the damage he can take. That will be his his main challenge in this transformation: able to take higher and higher ammounts of damage, resist better, or absorb it (somehow). If he fully masters this transformation, Vegeta might be close to unstoppable
DEFINITELY the coolest form in the series
To add to you saying he has ki control after training with the yardrats that "maybe even Goku can't do," Goku CAN'T do it. He only stayed long enough to learn Instant Transmission.
Too bad it feels like a fan made manga
@@YouDontLikeMe-fi1zh maybe to you. Dragon Ball Super Super Hero feels that way, especially in the manga to me tbh. This felt more like a natural evolution, giving /ourguy/ his own form and path of development proper
>purple ssj3
>coolest
@@wompastompa3692damn didn't do ultra ego Vegeta jaur went down to his ass
This form is so cool! Thanks for this! 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Once he masters it he will be really hard to beat. Physical damage gets converted and ki blast gets vaporize through hikai shield if he uses it like Topo.
Maybe Vegeta can use the haai energy and the Spirit bomb technique to create a new move which they have shown in GT revenge death ball that baby Vegeta used. Now that's babies move but they can just redcon that move to being Vegeta's move.
It definitely would be cool, if Vegeta incorperates hakai into his normal ki attacks. Seeing things like a hakai galick gun, or a hakai big bang attack would be very cool. It would allow vegeta to do incredible things. Imagine a hakai + forced spirit fission, or an instant hakai galick gun if Vegeta ever tried to learn instant transmission again.
It should of had some sort of healing factor, also could of had a stacking zenkai ontop of it (making a saiyan GoD even more dangerous)
It came off goofy af for him to catch an L because "wow, maybe a transformation that relies on getting my ass kicked was pretty dumb" *passes out*
Love it bro! Ty!! For everything you do and everything you know. Hats off brodel! 💪🏿
I appreciate that
@@Geekdom101 Would you say that differences between Goku & Vegeta’s initial God Ki channeling, Hakai Ki and Angelic Ki are marked by different ‘types’ all together or more by sequential levels of power on a spectrum? Or a bit of both?
Ultra Ego boosts the fighter's power and continues to boost it as their fighting spirit burns. This form allows the fighter to use Hakai energy to destroy objects & people. For Ultra Ego to work the fighter must enter into a Destroyer mindset; The user thinks of nothing except destruction. The process of reducing thoughts converts Ki to God Ki however, when thoughts of destruction remain, the God Ki transforms into energy of destruction(which Beerus uses to make his Ki blasts). The fighter draws out incredible power by reveling in combat while ignoring everything and everyone else. In Vegeta's case, in particular, he allows himself into this sense of combat by receiving damage from his opponent, fueling his bloodlust as a result. The damage he was receiving allowed him to use it as a stimulant to further delve into Ultra Ego to grow stronger.
The weakness of Ultra Ego is the mindset of the user. If the user is does not posses a mindset that is focused solely on destruction they cannot utilize this godly technique to its full capacity. If the user is riddled with guilt from their past or present actions this will also diminish the effectiveness of the technique. The gods of destruction only have their mindset on destruction not any form of good or evil. For a mortal to use this technique effectively they must remove themselves from any guilty feelings and destroy their old self. Also if the users body takes too much damage they will eventually lose the form and/or become unconscious.
That's op lol sayins already get stronger while fighting but ultra ego makes you stronger by taking damage
Hope Ultra Ego Vegeta makes it to Sparking Zero as DLC! Imagine Vegeta getting buffs in this form in PvP as he takes damage he can do double the damage back
Anyone who knows the anime community knows Vegeta is just as popular as Goku, in spite of his L’s, lack of plot armor & Toroyama’s dislike of him. His very own creator can’t even hold him back. THAT is Power!!
8:29 this image is SO BADASS!🎉🎉🎉🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
The Granolah Arc sounds like a tasty Energy Bar which is the most powerful energy food in existence.
Was hoping maybe one day they fuse in those forms. Would be dope 😢
I think what vegeta should do is try to avoid critical hits and only take weak hits cuz too many critical hits can take him down
This 10:00 is the perfect setup for him to kill Freiza. The Emperor is the one person Vegeta can "LET GO OF HIMSELF" and access the full power of Hakaishin power and finally get his 35+ year W he deserves.
If vegeta can find a way to mix it with the healing ability of super saiyan god that can be a difficult vegeta to beat because he can take even more physical damage.
Bro gets so powerful his eyebrows are like "nah I'm out"
Best ultra ego analysis so far 👏💙, great video as usual keep it up danny 🔥🔥
Love the art work your boy has some serious talent, wish the anime would hire that guy!
I love the concept for ultra ego more than ui,and the hakaishin energy used by vegeta just want go see more hax from vegeta
Fun Fact: The OG Hakai was Baby Vegeta and his Death Ball in the Baby arc of DBGT.
thats a different technique. I may do a whole video about that move!
@Geekdom101
From the original English subtitles of the Japanese dub dvd set, as Baby Vegeta gathering the energy to create the Revenge Death Ball states to kid Goku "I will scatter your molecules- no, down to your individual atoms, so much so that you can never return to life again". Hmm...definitely sounds like Hakai technique 😉
My point, a lot of things that took place in GT was ported over to Super, just like how SSJ4 Gogeta's Eye Attack to Omega Shenron's face was demonstrated by Full Power Jiren against UI Goku.
Lol probably Goku vividly remembers that technique by Jiren and figured as SSJ4 Gogeta he'd give it a shot against Omega Shenron.
Im so into this angel god of destruction they foreshadowed now seeing it somewhat play out would be really cool
Been a while since I checked out a video from you, not intentional, just been busy as hell. But as always, my dude, your videos are very insightful and informative. Thank you for all the work you do Danny!
I think in the future Goku and Vegeta will be equal in certain aspects and stronger than each other in certain aspects due to the different trajectories of their training.
Ultra Ego Vegeta didn't defeat Granola, Gas or Black Frieza. Vegeta has a long way to go to master his Ultra Ego form.
Anyone else thought of this? Saiyans gets stronger from battles. Ultra Ego gets stronger for getting beat up.
Put Vegeta in the time chamber with this knowledge. He would be a beast!
I'm still hopeful they give the right justice of this transformation. Give justice to Vegeta!!
Time to repost my list of things I think Vegeta could do with Spirit Control and Forced Spirit Fission:
Ki Reading - be able to read how an opponent is using ki possibly to a level where he can achieve practical precognition of a second
Enemy Ki Manipulation - with each strike he mis-aligns his opponents ki with the effect of draining their stamina much faster
Ki-dismantle - use forced spirit fission on energy attacks to disperse them instead of having to block them, even partial success may reduce damage of the attack
Ki-usurpation - catch an attack and take it over
Well just my ideas!
In terms of naming the theme of these new transformations oddly fit the characters personality and psychology. Do hope they expand on that.
Ultra Ego Vegeta is strong enough to take a massive beating, which fits well with him sinces his take huge beat downs before.
good video brother, congratulations, I was surprised by the idea of mixing the forced partition with the UE, it would be something very striking, but it is something that I doubt Vegeta would do, he has not even tried using it on an individual rival just to see if he can divide his KI without need to be fused, although I think it could, since it was with Hatsuka that he tried it, and it should be noted that he is only one individual.
Having said that, the most interesting thing is how the perfect UE is, because it can have many more hidden abilities, for example, having an aura like Toppo's in the anime, but that not only destroys ki waves, but also destroys Whoever tries to hit him erases his limb, as well as with each blow he throws he erases the rival's impacted area, Toyota already said that it is something like "move your body freely", which could lead him to "move regardless of the damage", cancel the pain of the body to fight without stopping (like Ajax from Marvel), another very interesting thing is that each ki attack already has the hakai incorporated.
There are few examples, but with just these + the constant increase in power they would make the perfect UE the most dangerous-powerful DB technique, far above the UI
again, congratulations on the video brother, very well done, keep it up 👍👍👍👍
When he master ki control and ultra ego I wanna see him do something similar to todo from jjk where he can clap and switch with spots with people imagine fighting goku and you’re winning he out of nowhere disappear and niw standing by vegeta but instead multiple hakai balls infront of u. Or hakai clones that if u defeat the clone it will then blowup with hakai energy doing damage on the opponent
I'd love to see Berus being an honorable man and stand there and take it............ a hakai final flash... with the piano playing
I loved this video but one small issue goku and vegeta WERE NOT caught off guard It was even stated that they powered up and ready when frieza came so he wasn't caught off guard frieza is just too strong and quick
Blue Evolution is also in the manga. It looks almost the same with the Royal blue hair and aura except that Vegeta in the manga doesn’t gain bigger muscles like he does in the anime version and his veins don’t pop out in the manga
The Morrow Arch should be a movie
Dude this is crazy
Can you explain how God of Destruction Toppo and Ultra Ego Vegeta are different?
lol they both learned how to harness destroyer power from their god of destruction. What else is there to know 😂
about Toppo, no idea, but in the manga was stated by Vegeta Ultra-Ego transformation being a unique thing Vegeta created from Hakai power and teachings, not totally related to the technique. Toppo was being trained directly as a God of Destruction, so his own mastery of Hakai might be different, but who knows, just speculation
Saiyan evolution is just That broken. I don’t think they were meant to access that much amount of power.
I love ultra ego ❤️❤️❤️
Ultra Ego brings something else interesting to light about the Destroyers themselves. Vegeta described this form as something completely unique to himself, that it’s something that awakened what he is at his core. If taken seriously, then this could mean that what the power the Hakai offers can unlock the true nature of its user and increase their natural abilities to an unbelievable extent. For Vegeta, it increases not only his power, but it also evolved his natural abilities (like Zenkais and his emotional drive increases his power during battle) and primitive nature which connects back to him being a Saiyan (who were a race of primal alien monkey-humanoid warriors who always crave for the thrill of battle and even when defeated, got stronger after surviving/healing their injuries).
I would love a Sadala arc focusing on the saiyans but mainly Vegeta and Cabba. While Vegeta’s visting Planet Sadala Frieza learns of its existence and out of spite goes to launch an assault on it. Maybe Frieza kills the king of Sadala or something but both Cabba and Vegeta reach new levels with Cabba reaching SSJ3 and Vegeta mastering UE and ultimately Hakai-ing Frieza from existance getting revenge for not only for U7 saiyans but for U6 and his father. Ik people would prolly be upset if Frieza is erased from existence but it would be so fitting for not only Vegeta’s character but would also prevent the “Frieza’s back again” card from being reused.
Probably why Toppo access Destruction Ki because he let go of the guilt as a Pride Trooper when he said he didn’t care.
Vegeta is a walking Vibranium suit.
When Goku and Vegeta fuse Imagine Gogeta/Vegeto getting beat up at the beginning of the fight and he stores all of that kinetic energy turns it to potential energy and goes into offensive mode and start dishing it back while dodging and hit you with a Hakai Spirt Bomb. He would literally make a black whole out of his opps.
Nice as always Danny. You should do a Black Frieza next just to show some of these fans how much of a gap there is between Him and our heroes. Which is a good reason why Black Frieza should get the Thanos treatment and build up a few arcs
I agree. It’s annoying how some fans think beast gohan can clap black Frieza or remotely even in the same league.
@@gammafrost for real smh
@@kynshiiit's not too far fetched to think that. Whis hinted at someone else being the strongest in the universe, and when u compare them to toriyama statements about gohan and statements from the movie, you get gohan being the strongest "warrior" in the universe
I’ve always seen the “powering up as he gets hit” thing as that getting hit makes him want to kill/destroy his opponent which therefor makes him stronger with UE. It’s hard to think peaceful thoughts when you are getting pounded. However I’m also not an alien that can fight and do crazy stuff so maybe I’m wrong
Geekdom101 I feel it's worth mentioning that Vegeta could destroy planets even before the saiyan saga. Unless we aren't including Planet Arlia
Ultra Ego Vegeta copping attacks and smiling and growing stronger gives me Goku Black vibes. Especially with the similar hair color
That silhouette of vegeta is fucking dope
Onmi king Zeno should be aware of Vegeta ultra Ego based on the God's and angel As well
1:30 actually geekdom101 vegeta used blue evolution in the manga so it's not anime exclusive and even in this page 2:52
In my eyes( and this is just me lol) getes became the most dangerous person in the series when he picked up all those techniques from the yardrats. Ultra ego makes him terrifying to me. 🔥
This needs over a million views
i wished that the look of vegeta's ultra ego form was more like the Majin Vegeta design, minus the "M" branding on his forehead. Especially since Majin Vegeta was a persona of Vegeta's ego.
UE and Forced Spirit Fission is a nasty combination to give Vegeta especially considering that hes a "fighting genius" according to Piccolo.
Huge Huge VEGETA Fan so when you do content on it I love it and can't click fast enough.. hopefully he can evolve ultra instinct and have a mastered form or evolve it to something further.. let's Go VEGETA.. Give VEGETA his Tail back since he knows how to Control his Great Ape Form like the Saiyan Saga.. Vegeta deserves his Tail back
Fun fact,Though UI and UE are based on opposite philosophies they have one thing in common: letting go.Letting go of thought for UI and letting go of remorse for UE
For me the Ultra Ego transformation might be my favourite for the Saiyans in Dragon Ball buuuut I don't really want Vegeta to keep using it. I think this would have been a great fit for him during the Frieza arc but I like the idea that he can't shed the guilt of what he's done or decides that he wants to continue to grow as a Saiyan and gets a new Super Saiyan form OR since Broly isn't the new LSS maybe it could be Vegeta
Could you do a video comparing Ultra Ego strength increasing in battle to Broly's? And talk about which is a more beneficial ability.
Geekdom101 where you been at my boi !!!
Assuming that Toppo completed his training with the U11 angel Marcarita to fully take over the role as destroyer god of the 11th I wonder how a fight would go down between him Vs U.E Vegeta
“You just have to punch them really hard” sounds like Goku was on to something.
As a Vegeta fan, I'm satisfied 😎
I honestly just can't wait for vegeta to master UE its favorite form of him that i like
vegetas sprit guard suppposed to be himself where the ozaru come from
I think vegeta will learn how to combine his ultra ego with his training to use his power better as he said recently in the manga...when he can master his own power and stamina use he can take way more damage, making him stronger...and if he uses forced spirit fission on top to heal himself or weaken the opponent...vegeta will VERY SOON climb on top of the db cast, maybe even outmatching black freeza (just assuming...we dont really know HOW powerful freeza is now)
Thank you for not disrespecting Beerus like every other UA-camr.
Vegeta: now with my new form i will defeat you!
Plot armor: hehe boy
Is it weird that I want to see a new threat appear and Vegeta goes Ultra Ego/G.O.D and dominates on a Beerus level where he is leagues ahead and looks like an actual God.
Although I am not a fan of Super’s transformations, I really like how well Ultra Ego fits Vegeta.
>weaponizes his jobbing
>still jobs
I need to hear Chris Sabat say:
“A god of destruction once taught me this. A power derived solely from instinct is *UNBOUNDED* “
And:
“Kakarrots body may have a mind of its own but I’m all ego. In fact why dont we go ahead and call this *ULTRA EGO* “
Very interesting take on végéta...btw i am an animator and almost done animating a fight between Broly and ultra ego végéta....wish me luck
I feel mastered ego should have some angelic properties to it. Something not in ui but specific to the angels bc Vegeta isn't a hero but isn't a villain either. Or let him be the first to tap into ui & ego lbs.