Also piccolo stretchy arms (Edit) Yeah I knew they were cannon, but they never show up much after the original Dragon Ball. They only show up in super twice to my knowledge once against Frost in the Tournament of Destroyers, and aginst Cell Max in Super hero. They show up a bit in the Z movies though, making the movies feel linked together.
The most egregious thing about the old Broly movie is that Cell didn't detect the massive ki signature Broly was giving off and immediately throw hands.
None of other characters could feel Broly either, and the movie opens with him dusting the south galaxy. Goku only finds out because King Kai contacts him, and the others don't know until they get picked up by Paragus. So it's not much of a stretch to say that Cell wouldn't have sensed anything either.
@concept5631 the movie literally opens with a whole galaxy being erased (in visual). The English dub narration follows this with "The South Galaxy has been shattered... by a Super Saiyan." Might be different in other languages, I'd have to check. Either way it's implied that Broly wrecked up the place. And North Kaio (King Kai) is the only character shown in the movie that senses it. No one on Earth that had Ki sensing could sense it; so Cell not sensing it tracks. Either Broly's power still wasn't enough to span across space, or the other characters had the capability to sense that far out. I'd go with the latter, and say that it's in part for the fact that none of them were actively feeling for energy out in space, and possibly for the fact that Earth's population has enough ki within its population to mask something coming from afar.
@@TophadoodledooI think it’s like the case where goku couldn’t sense anybody on earth in the Moro arc until krillin raised his ki. So what I think happened is broly was really far away and goku and the gang wasn’t paying attention and they couldn’t sense ki to to well back then
That could have been a error by the people who wrote the movie forgetting about it Kinda like how in super broly bardock is story is different then the one frieza in z remembers in manga and anime
@@dustmasterflex1541 I don't think you understood my point Supers bardock is story and ending was not in the z manga or anime As it was the old bardock Frieza remembers bardock as he looks at goku How could he have seen bardock if super bardock never confronted him
@@gabrielchastain6091 your right that was old bardock when toryiama only had a few plot points for the character that last scene we get of him seeing the future is what gave the character more freedom in story writing even if it wasn’t realized then .the super bardock movie which was green lit for canon had it to where (him being in the actual *past* )created the “super sayain legend”.with him defeating freiza’s ancestor. they never retcon’d it in the broly movie despite it not showing and we definitely would of heard feedback or answers about it. It’s not the same end as manga and z but the *point to all of this* is they built on more of what we knew and tied up *loose ends with lore* .without making crazy plot holes Edit: random - but ever seen a story from different view points ? That’s the best I can explain it is ,they could’ve showed us all those scenes with super bardock but they didn’t because *they didn’t need to* it is the broly movie after all . A game series I can bring up that uses this type of story writing in their older games(no need to now they’ve tied up a lot of lore ends throughout the years) is resident evil 2, 3 , outbreak all games with different characters and story’s do thier own thing within the same span of a day but it all links together in the end . The remakes even did a great job hinting at all the action going down within the city my favorite being in re3 remake when tyrell said he saw a “group of survivors heading towards the bridge” on the camera which in lore as re3 story is going down the same time outbreaks story is taking place with those characters trying to find a way out of the city and others completing personal objectives it’s stuff like this that I love, its like a big puzzle. But that’s the way I see how they write db story it’s definitely not as polished and despite.... sometimes it’s like they really just throw things in there just because or story clearly being rushed . Buu saga from z gets a small pass but you can tell how watered down the story got after the cell saga (which is where toryiama wanted the series to end) Anyways thank you for reading lol my b if it sounds like a rant it’s not ♥️
Fun fact: Fusion reborn was written to take place after the buu saga, but since the saga wasn't finished yet, the writers didn't know how it would end so they guessed. Obviously, they couldn't predict everything and got a lot wrong
The funniest part about this is that the writers at the time thought Vegeta would stay dead in hell: in a show with dragonballs and characters who nearly never stay dead :P
@andrewzhang9557 I mean Piccolo told Vegeta his body will be destroyed if he died right before his sacrifice. And in OG DB we were told no body=no ressuruction. So it made sense they believed Vegeta would stay dead
But knowing what a terrible dad Goku kinda is, that totally checks out as something he'd do. He'd probably consider bad guys trying to steal it Gohans training.
It's his grandpa's ball, so in Goku's mind it's a good luck charm and a keepsake. These days, the dragon balls being personal items has been completely lost.
@@dragon1130 true but while they heal all physical wounds and can regrow lost limbs they'll never remove the mental scars ( which is why goku is still pretty stupid at least in book smarts ).
I love how the Saibamen feel like your average non-canon minion created for a random DBZ game from 20 years ago. Edit: If you want to say something about Four-Star, go in the replies.
It could make sense if Broly hears the name Kakarot and then sees Turles grabbing him to stab him and leave him for death and never heard the name Turles
I think broly is motivation has always made sense people always make fun of him for baby goku but think about this You are a new born you hear this little bastard crying then accompanied by being stabbed then your planet getting blown up Alotta trauma for a new born and seeing the baby causing that same crying To echo which might have haunted him constantly as it would remind him of all the terrible shit that happened as a new born He would want to silence that crying It's not that stupid it's well I dont know what to call it but it's sad It's much more emotionally sad Then super broly is My friend got his ear blown off and then he left me and my dad is a meanie but everyone loves super broly for some damn reason but makes fun of z broly * p.s I don't hate super broly or his backstory I'm just making a point*
It's funny how despite all of the OG DBZ movies not being canon, characters like Broly (before Super), Cooler, and even Janemba ended up becoming well-known and iconic within the franchise throughout the years.
I kinda want to see them become cannon in some way like maybe a mini arc of them going up against baddies just to train kinda like that room where kid goku goes to the past and meets young roshi so they reintroduce that room and then they face villains as training and guess who shows up instead of frezia and buu cooler and janeba sure it wouldn’t make sense but it’s like that would be cool
@@levievil9220 Cooler is locked away at the moment and Janemba hasn’t been in introduced yet my point is there gonna be in the canon eventually due to them being fan favorites
12:43 The Namekian stretchy arm technique was first uses by Piccolo in his fight against Goku in the World Tournament. It's not a movie exclusive, merely a callback to Dragon Ball (the original anime).
Thank you I've been searching for this comment. I think you should not be allowed to make dragon ball content if you skipped the literal first half of the series 😭
@@mikeexits the mysterious youth was what the narrator called Trunks before he introduced himself to goku in the show after killing Frieza with his sword So yea just a small pun
In the movie timeline, Goku went straight home after Namek. He never crashed on an alien planet, trained for a year in ki control, learned instant transmission OR, most importantly, never learned how to turn super at will. I think that fixes many of the movie timeline's issues.
Goku uses instant transmission in multiple movies tho. Let's say he just spent much LESS time there. Perhaps since he is stronger in this timeline due to multiple zenkais from Tree of Might and Lord Slug, his spirit bomb actually kills Frieza, making King Cold come to Earth sooner.
I think that’s a good explanation for the first cooler movie. Second movie is when it gets weird since Goku doesn’t use instant transmission in the first movie yet he can in the second movie. Maybe he did crash, the Yardrats offer him training but instead of Goku agreeing to stay, he chooses to do that at a later time and just goes to earth right away when they ask him. So when Cooler 2 happens, maybe that’s after he goes back and does their training?
@@Deathpool_04I think it’s fair to say that the writers didn’t know full super saiyan control and instant transmission would be a thing around the time they made the first cooler movie
My favorite thing about the TFS interpretation of the movies was the Super Android 13 one. “And that’s when the prince realized that when you grab a bull by the horns… sometimes he’ll take you for a ride.” “And that’s when the time traveler realized that his sword was about as useless as a screen door on a submarine.” “And that’s when the green man realized that when you suplex a robot, you’d better… ah, what the hell am I doin’?”
@@Webshooters1 I work at Starbucks. The first thing I showed my manager when I started working there was Dr. Briefs saying that Cappuccino isn’t Coffee during the Muffin Button scene. Oh, I’m also working on blueprints for a legit Muffin Button that some multi-millionaires could get installed into their homes until it becomes more affordable to make.
Maybe goku could've used instant transmission to get back to earth after learning it, but before learning how to control ssj, that could explain why goku would need a push to go ssj vs cooler and why goku can use instant transmission vs mecha cooler
Knowing Cell, all they needed to do was to give him a call "oh hey, there is this guy who wants revenge for Frieza. You mind if we beat him before coming to the fight" And Cell would just be like: "sure, go ahead. I'll watch." In Cell's mind he is the perfect being. Nothing could defeat him. Even if the gang has to go through some power up to defeat Cooler, that would still be weaker than him. If they get stronger, the fight will be more interesting and more fun. If they die, Cell doesn't have to bother doing that himself. So it's a win-win for Cell.
@@HappyBeezerStudios the problem is that Cell would probably wanna join them to test his strength too. Cell wanted to kill Goku by his own hand. His Saiyan pride would not have wanted something else to kill him, so he'd offer to hop along
@@HappyBeezerStudiosyou forget that they had no idea Cooler was back and on Namek. Hence, they wouldn't have told Cell. I know, we all think we are smarter than we actually are.
Return of Cooler's placement is a mess (duh, the entire video is dedicated to pointing that out). Dende doesn't become the new guardian until after Cell becomes perfect, yet Trunks is nowhere to be seen and Vegeta clearly hasn't been to the time chamber yet. Chances are the movie somehow takes place just before Cell absorbs 17, which essentially means Piccolo should be the strongest person there. As for the subsequent movie, Super Android 13, at least that one could arguably be placed as a what-if scenario where Cell never appears, Goku recovers, and then they destroy 17 and 18 as a team without ever needing to use the time chamber.
I always figured Cooler and revenge of cooler happened in a timeline in which the spirit bomb killed Frieza which resulted in Goku never having to go super Saiyan on namek. This would explain why they make such a big show of him going super Saiyan on earth, as it would be the first time he accesses the form in that timeline.
Or maybe Goku hadn't mastered super sayain yet? That seems way more likely. He still needs anger as the trigger. Plus Cooler makes mention of the Super sayain so that throws it out.
@@milowolfface9392 He was able to go Super Saiyan effortlessly for Trunks, though. So that rules out Cooler's Revenge taking place after Trunks arrives.
Dead Zone: Everyone's outfit is exactly the same as in the main series, which makes it unlikely. Bojack Unbound: Everyone's outfit is slightly different than the main series, which makes it unlikely. *visible confusion*
Bojack movie is confirmed to happen after Cell saga. It is said in the movie that Trunks came back to tell the others he had defeated the androids in his timeline. Just like he was about to do when Cell came to him. This was the point in time where Trunks killed Cell in his timeline, and Cell killed Trunks in Cell’s original timeline.
@@grydon6422 trunks' hair was short when he killed cell but long in BoJack, unless trunks waited an entire year after killing Cell just to come back when only a few weeks has pass in the present is weird.
It's funny, because all of these movies came out at times where they "could" potentially make sense, but are essentially immediately retconned by the plot moving too quickly/in a different direction until Bojack, when Toriyama finally did a seven-year timeskip, giving Bojack some room to breathe.
@@randybobandy9828 They were but they failed lol. Like with gogeta fusion movie Fusion Reborn they just took guesses not knowing what would happen in the end of buu saga since it was lowkey or high key right before the end of buu saga they released the movie
19:05 Fun fact! The Return of Cooler actually has Dende as the new guardian of earth MONTHS before it happened in the manga. Honestly kind of hilarious.
DBZA made probably the best joke of this I could think of. The reason the z-warriors are ON namek is because Dende dropped them a message when he got to earth asking them to visit him **SO THEY FLEW TO NAMEK** where he should be. Whole thing ends on Dende screaming from the lookout "Where the hell are they?!?!"
Akira Toriyama has stated that the DB movies take place in separate "what if" dimensions. Great video, all backed by the greatest DB authority of them all.
@Failingpepper 11 right. The anime exclusive should take priority as the continuity for the anime. Just like super does with blue evolution and copy vegeta.
There is no Dragon Ball Z manga. The manga was called Dragon Ball from Goku’s appearance in the woods as a kid to Goku flying away with Oob at the end of the series
Hes wrong about Broly. this is a comment i left on a different video, but the points in it still explain why he has good writing and why hes liked for a good reason, apologies for the wall of text did you watch the movie? the doctors taunt broly because "kakarot" made him cry even though he was weak. hearing the word again when he met the z fighters reminded him of that, AND the day he literally got stabbed as a baby and had to save himself and his father from the planet blowing up. hes "just staring" at goku because of the emotion and personality suppressing device his dad made to control him that he is wearing (LITERAL MIND CONTROL). broly was just a pawn to paragus to get what he wanted (LIKE THE PLANET THEY WERE ON). once he breaks free from that control his true sadistic personality emerges and he tears the z fighters apart. he literally taunts them and makes jokes the whole time while having the power to 4v1 them and only loses once goku is FORCED to use the power of the others and hit him where he got stabbed as a baby. and thats why people like him, hes a cocky super powerful villian who does things nobodys really done before in Z while being the LITERAL Legendary Super Saiyan if you think Broly hates goku more than vegeta in the first movie youre just wrong, Vegeta's attacks just unfaze broly so he doesnt really care about him. broly just sees goku as the best challenge hes had, at least in a while its the 2nd and 3rd movie that really make people think hes a mindless berserker. but the 3rd movie isnt even broly its a clone so that doesnt count he literally blew up because of gokus attack and his body not being able to handle his power increasing, and then got trapped under ice for 7 years. he screams kakarot because he now ACTUALLY hates him for losing to him. goten looks exactly like goku but broly is not used to expressing his emotions in his base form because of his fathers mind control so he doesnt say much UNTILL he transforms into the legendary super saiyan which brings out his true personality and he says just 1 or 2 full sentences. but he toys around with videl, gohan, and trunks and even in the final beam struggle with the family Kamehameha Brolys laughing and not putting much effort into his attack at all. He was winning the struggle by a long shot until trunks stops one of Brolys attacks from powering up his attack even more and that distracts broly for just a moment, to which gohan goku and goten take their chance to put all of their power into the Kamehameha and blast him backwards into the sun and in bio broly he seems very weak comparatively and he has no personality really, youre right about that one being bad BUT its not even Broly, its (again) a clone and thats why Broly is a good character and the original plot of movie 12 shouldve happened instead of janemba
The movies have always been something of a separate timeline. That’s why I enjoyed the xenoverse games. The fact that your patrolling different timelines means you can experience these movies and they can sort of exist. But the games are obviously non canon too. It’s just a lot of fun. I enjoy the one mission where goku and vegeta are trying to become super Saiyan gods but go super saiyan 4 instead and don’t know if that’s the god form.
I place it in future trunks’ timeline before all that android stuff and the heart attack happen. It is said that when goku returned to earth, he killed frieza and king cold. So I like to think in this timeline, goku is responsible for killing cooler’s family, not trunks because this is in future trunks’ timeline before shit went down
@@paytonallen1027 that can’t happen tho considering goku when he returns to earth has instant transmission and has complete control of Ssj but goku in the cooler movie can’t transform at will and he should have IT if it was in trunks’s timeline
@@doubledownpleasegosubtotte4274 your not sudjesting wrath of the dragon takes place during the cell games right? Goku litteraly uses ssj3 and gotenks arround too Its after the buu saga
The real problem with Cooler's Revenge is that Cooler hears of Freeza's death and wants to avenge him, but not his father at all who would be killed by Trunks at this point.
He probably heard Goku killed him on namek & prob had no clue freeza was still alive or that him & king cold went to earth for revenge thus being killed by future trunks. If he did hear about freeza being murder by trunks, he would prob hear it was by a super Saiyan & nobody knew who trunks was until he explained to Goku (and piccolo heard too) so he could have just assumed it was goku
No that wouldn't be a problem at all, because coolers revenge takes place long before trunks even arrives. King cold wouldn't be dead yet, and they wouldn't have met trunks yet. It doesn't take place after trunks
@Kravenrogue you do know the movies take place in a whole other timeline/universe right? Goku leaves yardrat earlier in the movie than he did in the main timeline. He returns to earth long before trunks arrives, so what ever events that happen in the show after frieza saga, don't correlate with the movie, they're not suppose to, the movies are a what if or change of events in the show, and then going from there
Dead Zone, Cooler 1, Bojack, and Wrath of the Dragon. I mean these one only really have minor plot holes that could also explain away with a few recones.
@@zero1zerolast393 Dead Zone (conflicts with the beginning of Z) and Cooler 1 (Goku just doesn't forget to go Super Saiyan) can't happen. Bojack and Wrath of the Dragon are the only ones where you can argue that they can be canon to the main series.
I hope the trend of the Super Broly movie, of remaking and cannonizing movie characters becomes a thing. Namely I want a whole ass arc surrounding Janemba and the Underworld. It makes sense that we have Angels and a hierarchy overseeing things- its only natural to have the mirror opposite baddy faction to oppose them.
@@okagron Cooler 1 can happen with in the training for the Androids to arrive, Goku not using his full power right away until he needs it is something he ALWAYS does even in the cannon of the show. Dead Zone however can't happen because it directly conflicts with the time line.
Fun thing about Dende being in movie 6 is that it happened 8 months before it happened in the manga. Yes the manga not the anime. Meaning that either Toriyama told the animators that far in advance, they guessed and got lucky, or they just said screw it and Toriyama liked the idea that much.
I also remember reading somewhere that we got vegito instead of gogeta because toriyama planned for a goku and vegita fusion. With most of the movies having that element i think the guys that made movies actually had some knowledge of what toriyama was going to do
I definitely agree that the Bojack Movie felt like the most canon, since it was after the cell saga, Gohan unlocking Ssj2, Goku is dead, and future trunks returning to visit after a couple of months. Shame that it isn’t canon, it would’ve made sense.
@@jordandennis6794 wth you talking about they remade the entire dialogue they didnt steal shit. The only thing they didnt change was the animation and they couldnt change that
The thing I love abt Broly is that, he's proof that " The Legendary super saiyan awakens after a millenium" isn't bs, and that it would've actually been able to kill Frieza's whole family without a sweat, thats why Frieza was so afraid. It even beat Goku and Vegeta's SSJB
Well Super power scaling is messed up. Except for Whis and Beerus who consistently remain "on the next level", and Zeno, everyone else is BS. For example, Jiren is stronger than his G.O.D., who in turn is on the same level as Beerus. But Goku overpowers Jiren using perfected ultra instinct, while also being severely outclassed by Beerus later while training in said state. At the beginning of Super, everyone ia Universe busting level and untouchable by anyone outside their little group, after the tournament of power (after several massive power boosts), planet busting level becomes impressive again and many, many randos get on the level of Perfected SSB G&V and UI Goku. Frankly, power scaling remains somewhat consistent only up until right beforethe Goku Black saga, after that they're all over the place. All this to say, don't take those bits seriously.
@@Anankin12 I think you are confused. You are talking about DBZ like it was DBS. At he beginning of Z, every Z warrior was already way stronger than all humans, and after Saiyan saga all of them had the power to completely obliterate whole planets. If that's not enough, Cell states he can errase the whole solar system, and Goku, Vegeta, Gohan and Gotenks are way stronger than him. Heck, even Buu was strong enough to open portals trough dimensions with his raw power, and in his fight with Vegito universe started to collapse. All of that happens while, somehow, Tenshinhan is strong enough to stop Cell in his second form and damage Buu with a KiKoHo and somehow all Z warriors are strong enough to figth toe to toe against Cell juniors. Power scale has been a bitch since Namek saga lmao
@@crossknight1490 yep the Namek saga really blew that whole power thing out of proportion to crazy levels. It went from the strongest peeps having about 10000 power to millions real fucking quick
@@crossknight1490 Kikoho is an op move that multiplies your power by ?, Buu isn't hard to "damage", he got penetrated by bullets, and they're not all fighting toe-to-toe, Vegeta and Trunks are the only ones who actually seem like they're winning, the humans and Piccolo are just too weak and Goku is exhausted
@@mist0804 Not just that, but while power output stays pretty consistent in DB, durability fluctuates wildly; hence the ever-stupid "SSJ4 can be cut by glass" thing; characters seem to skyrocket or rapidly plummet in toughness as the plot demands, even if they're still batting a thousand in terms of sheer attacking power. Anybody could potentially be scuffed by anyone else if the plot calls for it, it's the absurd numbers of the attack itself that DB seems to have down pat.
Didn't Toriyama say he thought of the movies as being in different dimensions/timelines? I don't think they were ever meant to be part of the canonical lore, but this is definitely an interesting breakdown either way and well researched
I gotta admit, bojack and wrath of the dragon to me feel like they existed in the main canon. Well, the earlier ones sorta did but it doesn't seem as interesting. I could've easily enjoyed a 13 episode saga about Bojack and his crew and whatnot, and it then skipping years into the gohan we wanted not the neutered one. With wrath of the dragon, lots of elements fell into GT except the wierd decision to scrap the sword, and the dragon fist move is really awesome.
26:00 The thing about the "picnics" is a cultural one; the movies were released each year around May Jun and July, because of school vacations in japan. Broly's movie clearly depicts the Z warriors enjoying Hanami festival a flower viewing party that takes place at the end of March to early May, cherry trees bloom all over Japan and people eat and party under. That scene is the most Japanese part of any DB animated content.
Why I personally believe the bojack movie can be canon: 1) One of the options you presented occured 2) Piccolo has a clothes beam, and he had a red belt in super hero, which is canon 3) The sword was with vegeta and Bulma meaning they probably fixed it for him and were waiting to give it back to him. Nailed it.
@@BeingOfEvil0it doesn't make a difference either way. The movies exist and if someone wants to (or doesn't) want to believe they're canon, what does it matter?
The transitions between the main story & the segway into the movies were hilarious. There's so much going against them for them to actually take place during the main timeline. So the alternate timeline theory makes more sense.
@jellytheskeleton4559 yeah theres a different version of goku called xeno goku and in his timeline he experienced the movies and then gt compared to our goku who didnt get the movies and then super
“With the newly awakened 16 in tow, the androids begin their search for goku who is now awake & enjoying a nice day at the mall........WHAT THE FU-“ 😂😂
17: It's time to hunt for the now sickly Goku. I hear he's enjoying himself at the mall right now. 18: That doesn't make sense, brother. 17: ....I'll be needing a boat ride if I ever get to make a wish to a wish-granting being capable of restoring 7 universes. 18: Restoring multiple universes when the universe is everything anyway? That'll be the day.
Timestamps: 00:00 - Dead Zone 04:10 - The World's Strongest 07:15 - Tree of Might 10:15 - Lord Slug 13:32 - Cooler's Revenge 16:49 - The Return of Cooler 19:26 - Super Android 13 21:48 - Broly: The Legendary Super Saiyan 27:06 - Bojack Unbound 30:27 - Broly: Second Coming 34:04 - Bio-Broly 35:57 - Fusion Reborn 39:52 - Wrath of the Dragon
It was actually agaisnt Krillin if I recall it right. He used it to grabs krillin leg... But you could also be right, Piccolo and Goku's fight was huge!
As a child seeing the movies on CN i always wondered why they literally forgot Cell existed for three movies, then after seeing how all the characters acted, i just assumed at all the movies were not canon.
As Toriyama always told , movies represent a what if scenarios, alternative Dragonball World. So there just no Cell, like at all. Instead of Cell, Gero basement kept androids 13,14,15. Which are mechanical just like 16. This makes some sense since Gero was building that kind of cyborgs previously and had trust issues with 17 and 18.
@@alexzero3736 Honestly, it makes a lot of sense that most of Gero's creations pre-17 and 18 were mechanical. If he had previously worked with creating cyborgs, he would certainly have developed better methods of keeping his creations under control, especially if he not only planned on making them super powerful, but also made them part of a plan in which they die in order to create a stronger android. He obviously didn't account for the contempt 17 and 18 felt towards him for taking their lives away, nor their natural need for freedom and aversion to neing given orders due to previously being humans.
@@basedimperialism I also can't believe he wasn't involved with Eight. Who defected. Nine or Ten may or may not have been Tao. Metallic *might* have been Seven? There is more gap than substance known in his portfolio.
Chichi was already pregnant with Goten by the time Goku went to fight the Androids, given the dates of both the Cell Games and Goten’s official birthday
The way you phrase "piccolo passes on the message to Gokus friends then take his son Gohan" makes it sound like it's piccolo son their talking about lol
Doesn’t the fact that the entire reason Cooler was there to get revenge in the first place was because he was a character from another movie that can’t happen also contribute to the fact his second movie can’t?
@@freezingfire1800 Yeah, but that doesn't erase them from existence. In fact it means that even though that specific sequence of events didn't happen in the main time line... the characters involved are probably out there somewhere. We saw that with Broly. Where's Cooler? :D
This video is over two years old and I just found out about it? It really goes in depth to each movie and the continuity mistakes they have and I even learned a lot of new things I didnt know was possible. Great video man
Meh it's obvious with inconsistent power levels and how gohan fights bojack without first going super saiyan 2 while goku is dead. They are their own timeline within a saga
jomegadude Definitely one of the best additions to the series and was so much superior compared to original Broly movie series. That is how you properly write a script to fit in with a pre-existing storyline.
@@flamingcat1101 No. The story itself was the problem. Terrible writing and plot. And the characterization of Broly was awful. Super is how you do it right.
I was about fourteen when I was thinking about the tree of might and trying to figure out when it would have happened. It felt like my whole world was shaken when I realized it couldn't have been part of the main story.
The first four movies take place in the timeline where the sayIns were killed earlier which is why vegeta doesn’t show up and the other z fighters are alive.
@Samuel Walker I thought this was a bit hyperbolic, but after thinking about it you’re right. They even fought an evil counterpart of one of their main characters, being Madara as one of the previous reincarnation of Sasuke.
Super Android 13 actually makes perfect sense if it's the timeline the Trunks that Cell killed was traveling to. Think about it we have A) Dead Dr Gero B) The androids defeated (judging by their casual atmosphere) C) Not discovered the underground lair D) No Cell This is a timeline where Trunks vaccinated Goku, 17 and 18 showed up, but with the help of Trunks they managed to defeat them. Trunks hangs out on Earth a little bit, then this movie happens. With the experience he gained fighting all these Androids, Trunks goes back to his future and defeats his 17 and 18, then he tries to come back to this timeline to tell everyone the good news, but instead he's ambushed by the Cell we know and love. The Trunks in the Super Android 13 movie is the same Trunks we see Cell kill in his backstory. That Trunks even used his sword to try and fight Cell like the one in this movie does.
Basicly trunks who killed by Cell is killing android with emergency switch, so he don't training and his sword never broken because even they kill android without fighting. That's why he is no match with Cell. But i agree with you, if trunks killed by Cell after comeback from past, after he say good news, and finally help face again 13,14,& 15. That android 13 movie can be Canon.
Wait, in the movie at the beginning 17 and 18 killed Dr. Gero. So basically this movie should have happened BEFORE 17 and 18 were defeated like you said.
@@dandychiggins7240 wut? He didnt need it Trunks was holding back the entire fight it was tien who said hey don't hold back i'm not a baby base Trunks would Beat tien easily he went ssj to respect tien as he told Trunks NOT to hold back
@@danielgonzalez-vm5lj I know you're right but I never liked that fact that Tien is weaker than most of the z fighters I mean the guy trains all the time and started a whole dojo to train other fighters (who are all weak which makes no sense). But even with all that you expect me to believe that just because Tien is human that automatically makes him inferior is dumb. In my head cannon Tien is the strongest human (including 17 and 18)
@@waffleten9750 tbh makes sense the Saiyans are a very OP race as get transformacmtions and no limit depending on plot piccolo was a súper namekian to give You an idea it's like if piccolo was the Broly of his race
The only serious problem with the Broly placement - and this is totally splitting hairs, as you mentioned - is that Goku and Gohan were still perma-blonde at the time. Granted, you can sort of explain why Goku wasn't Super Saiyan - Chi-Chi was able to get him into a suit, so she could probably badger him into letting his hair be black for an hour - but Gohan was just relaxing at a party with his friends, so it's weird that he would disengage the form, which he otherwise is shown maintaining continuously until the Cell Games end.
Blonde hair was a sign of delinquency/rebellion in Japan. It's why of you listen to the BT3 dialogues from Chi Chi in the character bios she keeps on calling Super Saiyans delinquents.
Yup. There are many reasons I dislike the Broly movies, aside from how god awful Broly's motivation is as a character. On top of that, from the time Gohan exits the time chamber until Goku returns from Otherworld, Gohan is the strongest character in the series. Even prior to transforming into SSJ2, his SSJ1 form after fully powering up was stronger than Goku.
@@randumo24 Well, that isn't to say the comparison isn't complicated, though. Gohan does have a higher base power level than Goku, but just from watching their respective fights against Cell it's obvious that Goku does better; Gohan barely lands a hit on Cell. So although Gohan is somewhat stronger than Goku in raw terms, he's also a much less competent fighter overall. So it's reasonable that against someone like Broly, who's much stronger than any of the cast here, Goku as the most skilled martial artist would hold out better than anyone else.
@@meganbarhorst5272 That's not exactly true. Gohan is actually an extremely skilled fighter at that point after training with Goku for so long. The reason he wasn't doing well against Cell is because he was holding back and was scared of the damage he would do to the planet. Broly was different than Cell. Not only had Broly already gone around destroying multiple planets, but they were fighting on a planet that was going to be destroyed soon regardless of what they did. Gohan had no reason to hold back like he did against Cell. Even if many find Gohan's reasons for holding back against Cell questionable, those reasons don't exist where Broly is concerned.
With the popularity of all the Dragon Ball what-if stories these days, I'd love to see one based on the Garlic Jr. timeline. Not just in-universe, but out-of-universe. Like, what if Goku wasn't even a Saiyan? What if the story never went sci-fi and instead stayed more fantasy? *What if Goku never stopped using his Pole and Nimbus!?*
I used to though about this very often, it would be interessant, like instead of power levels increasing insanely fast and makimg the characters galaxy busters, they would simply focus in earth and the deities, i even make an story based on this but it never turned it into a fanfic or something similiar
The story presented the creator of tenkaichi budokai, he created it to test his strengh, he was Earth's strongest warrior, but as far his power grew, also his ambition grow it, he recruited some of the earth strongest warriors and tried to sieg kami's lookout, but Kami and his disciples fought them, after an harsh battle that resulted bot in kami and warrior's disciples deaths, kami managed to seal the warrior in the moon, hundred years later when roshi desteoyed the moon in 21st tournament the warrior was released, but he was heavly weakned. The warrior spent many years training hard to restore his strengh, he managed to flee kami's radar for years, when goku and piccolo where fighting in the 23rd tournament, the warrior with his strengh fully recovered decided to catch the dragonballs and revived four of his disciples This is far that i planned before i trashed up, i also had maked an alternate version, wich the warrior instead of revive his disciples, he revived kami old disciples and managed to mind manipulate them, and these warriors where the stronged centuries ago.
I also made other more small stories, unlike the story i mencioned before, these are more like concepts, i will list here - some concepts of what-if goku fell in another place in earth, like if he was founded, by capsule corp, or by red ribbon, even raised by an character created by me, like a police officer, or a billionarie. - and little retelling dragom ball lore but more detail that don't exist in the original(like Ox-king havind an actual kingdom and not only a castle) and even with original characters like martial artist masters and even a league made up of warriors
the janemba one only makes sense if it's a alternate timeline where Goku beat fat buu as SSJ3, instead of just stalling him hoping goten and trunks would save the world for a change
its so plausible it hurts. i placed fusion reborn after the buu saga it makes the most sense there, goku literally quotes on buu directly. but when he mentioned the stuff on Earth it was a little inconsistent, mainly w Gohan
Actually wrath of the Dragon explains how GT trunks has a sword not future trunks, probably future trunks never meet tapion, found a sword in the ruins of a city and think hey look a sword, and then take the sword to look more cool, and because wrath of the Dragon take place in GT timeline thats why he can't happen, i mean super goku doesn't have the Dragon fist and GT goku has, so i think you understood my point, my english sucks, sorry if i wrote something wrong
@@uru47d73bxue A cameo of Cooler & Slug appear on screen in GT just saying. vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/dragonball/images/6/6a/CoolerAndroid19OthersGT.png/revision/latest?cb=20100812153840
@@AstraFulminous they were animation errors. aminoapps.com/c/dragonballz/amp/blog/why-movies-do-not-scale-to-dragonball-gt/pXzT_Quqe6zEe0wZeQkLJQn20DGz3Gq#aoh=15935459029898&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From%20%251%24s Also slug never appeared in GT either
Cooler's Revenge is in another timeline, where Goku accepts being brought back to earth by Shenron when his friends ask it. Meaning he both never learned how to do the instant transmission from Yardrat and never learned to master transforming into Super Saiyan.
@@ryszakowy but where is Vegeta? Maybe it’s while he’s in space. Surely he’d sense powerful fighters. I guess they could be relaxing in between training sessions for the Androids.
Personally I like the idea that the movies are canon to their own parallel timeline, and *could* actually be traveled to from the main timeline thanks to the time rings. One of these days I'd actually be really interested in an alternate Dragonball series meant to be entirely consistent with the movies.
@@massoik4411They are but at the end of the day cooler existing connects that universe to two movies at least. Also Icarus being in the cooler movie sort suggest that dead zone and tree of light are connected to GT and cooler as well.
I like the idea that the story of Dragonball turned from history to folklore to legend over the many retelling over many generations. Because each retelling introduced more errors the stories got less and less consistent over time, but each story is still based on a core of truth.
May I recommend dragon ball heroes manga? Lord slug, cooler, broly, and others like the tree of the universe’s multiversal counterpart are canon alongside GT in there
The stretchy arm attack wasn't exclusive to the movies! It originally appeared in the Dragon Ball, but was absent from the entirety of Z! It made its debut in the episode "The Mysterious Hero" (ep138) It was probably just an ability Toriyama forgot or wasn't fond of. So he decided not to use in in projects he was part of (until Super that is)
Darn it - too late :P Also "It was probably just an ability Toriyama forgot or wasn't fond of." Yeah he forgot about that, like he did with many other things (he even forgot Lunch existed).
@@ABaumstumpf no, that's a rumor based on a misrepresented statement by Toriyama. Toriyama thought he forgot to include Lunch for a few chapters and then just said she went to follow Tenshinhan, despite Lunch being part of the previous chapter(which would have been just at the five year time skip). Toriyama even suggested ALL of the filler scenes of Lunch in the anime.
There’s a dbs supercut that has songs in it too that’s fucking incredible. Yeah I miss those old days me and my buddies lost our mind when we saw that the first time.
I feel like Turles and Cooler can come back to canon. Turles can be a Saiyan scientist that was commonly mistaken for Bardock (a fun nod to Bardock’s scientist origin) who engineered a Saiyan fruit that boosted the user’s strength, but wasn’t powerful enough and was ridiculed for it. Have him be exiled or off-world like the others and he eventually perfected the fruit and became a pirate. Cooler can just be Freiza’s brother or a member of his race, and act like a slightly better version. Make him cool and calm that opposes his brother for what he’s done, then kill him off and make metal cooler.
It's too late tho, frieza's character ark seems to be nearing it's end, a late brother introduction would be ehh. Cooler could maybe show up as a different universe's frieza race like frost. But he can't be in the main universe since cold and frieza were the strongest of their kind. Turles may be able to, but having broly already be that "hidden saiyan that escaped" only really works because paragus is trapped their with no tech. Turles as a scientist and even just normal saiyan would probably be to smart/healthy to just pop up now. Janemba as he is could work, slug too's weak (although a stronger universe namekian would be rad), android 13 could be fun filler, bojack also feels like a tad too late. With things like multiple universe now being a thing, a lot of these characters could be reworked and fleshed out better.
@@Lokisif34 they could have cooler get his revenge after black frieza is defeated, only that doesn't make sense because frieza has been dead for a very long time before rof so why wouldn't he get his revenge then
@@dankerbell Yeah exactly the issue. If he were to be a background threat frieza regaining the frieza force would make no sense, since cooler would just have taken over. Maybe you make cooler the younger brother? Where now frieza realizes the importance of allies so he goes to train his brother who while not having the same potential still gets up there.
Those are great ideas, honestly. Maybe have Cooler be not as into the depravity stuff as King Cold or Frieza, so that's why he's not the favorite. But, he'll still feel obliged to avenge his family.
Thought that also because DBM explained trunks actions n more detail because how can trunks return after cell killed him when he returned to the his timeline the first time.
I generally put these videos on audio only and just let them run while I do stuff. At one point I thought this was a recap of Buu's saga. Thanks for making this, great work!
Very nice analysis. The Dragon Ball movies are full of clusterf*cks for sure, lmao. Regarding Tree of Might, Turles' squadron actually mention that if they cultivate enough energy with the tree, that Frieza wouldn't be an issue. Meaning that Frieza is still alive and either the gang went to Namek far earlier, or obviously, Piccolo didn't end up dying in the battle against the Saiyans. Goku could have just trained to increase his kaioken output, but given that Movie 4 happens in the same timeline, it doesn't make sense as to why they would go to Namek anyways.
Or they just didn't know Frieza was already dead. Regardless. the movies take place in a different universe. They can't happen. They messed up. But what would you expect from japanese writers anyways? They're like children.
The World's Strongest, Tree of Might, and Lord Slug came out at the height of the Namek Saga. It's more of a 'what-if' movie. What if Goku actually arrived on time to fight Vegeta and Nappa?
The is some of the best content I’ve seen on UA-cam. The professional yet humour-filled commentary, the perfect choices of music. The editing is beautiful as to where it’s not overdone yet always grabs my attention just before my attention starts to lose focus. 10/10. It’s really a shame that you’re channel has a small core audience with a few one hit wonders scattered across it’s lifespan. I know videos like these take a heck of a lot of time to make. Best of luck to you.
Team four star has left such an impact on me I forgot the wedding between Yajirobe and Korin wasn’t cannon
lmao ikr
The bigger one for me was learning Lord Slug wasn't the good half of Grand Elder Guru.
@@jamainegardner4193 yeah that too
@@jamainegardner4193 Super Kami Guru
@@zakuto731 Super Kami Dende
Man, cells quite a gentleman waiting like 3 movies for them to come to the tournament lol
Gotta get those he-tap sponsorship adds in
He is a bad guy but that doesn't mean he is a bad guy :D
@@gaia9020 is this a wreck it Ralph reference or am I trippin😓😓
@@chazaiah It is :)
He was chilling with Kermit and Shallot
The three iconic symbols of the DBZ movie timeline:
1. Icarus
2. Picnics and camping trips
3. Waterfalls
Also piccolo stretchy arms
(Edit) Yeah I knew they were cannon, but they never show up much after the original Dragon Ball. They only show up in super twice to my knowledge once against Frost in the Tournament of Destroyers, and aginst Cell Max in Super hero.
They show up a bit in the Z movies though, making the movies feel linked together.
Piccolo planning on making a castle
@@goof6477 He never make any plans
@@ruintheday13 just a lil TFS reference
@@goof6477 he's thinking about getting a trebuchet
The most egregious thing about the old Broly movie is that Cell didn't detect the massive ki signature Broly was giving off and immediately throw hands.
None of other characters could feel Broly either, and the movie opens with him dusting the south galaxy. Goku only finds out because King Kai contacts him, and the others don't know until they get picked up by Paragus. So it's not much of a stretch to say that Cell wouldn't have sensed anything either.
@@Tophadoodledoo Broly didn't destroy South Galaxy. The movie literally takes place in it.
@concept5631 the movie literally opens with a whole galaxy being erased (in visual). The English dub narration follows this with "The South Galaxy has been shattered... by a Super Saiyan." Might be different in other languages, I'd have to check. Either way it's implied that Broly wrecked up the place. And North Kaio (King Kai) is the only character shown in the movie that senses it. No one on Earth that had Ki sensing could sense it; so Cell not sensing it tracks.
Either Broly's power still wasn't enough to span across space, or the other characters had the capability to sense that far out. I'd go with the latter, and say that it's in part for the fact that none of them were actively feeling for energy out in space, and possibly for the fact that Earth's population has enough ki within its population to mask something coming from afar.
@@TophadoodledooI think it’s like the case where goku couldn’t sense anybody on earth in the Moro arc until krillin raised his ki. So what I think happened is broly was really far away and goku and the gang wasn’t paying attention and they couldn’t sense ki to to well back then
the movie would honestly be so much better and memorable if cell joined the z fighters because he didn't want them to die before he kills them
Theory: Trunks screwed up and accidentally created alternate timelines where the non canon movies happens
God damn barry....uh i mean god damn trunk
I'm pretty sure this is how Xenoverse explains the movies and GT lol
@@camelkingclarith yes but let just assume Trunks screwing up was canon and there was no supreme kai of time or time patrol bs
i mean in a game he travels through time also toriyama said they take place in another dimension
@@commenterforfun5154 he did screw up tho by helping gohan 😂
I'm sure someone mentioned this, but another reason Broly can't happen is because Goku and Gohan pledged to stay in Super Saiyan until the Cell Games.
Well there's also the fact that blonde hair in japan iirc makes you look like a delinquent and that's probably why, like chichi forced them to go base
That could have been a error by the people who wrote the movie forgetting about it
Kinda like how in super broly bardock is story is different then the one frieza in z remembers in manga and anime
@@gabrielchastain6091 It's not an error. Super Bardock is intentionally redesigned just like Broly and Paragas were.
@@dustmasterflex1541 I don't think you understood my point
Supers bardock is story and ending was not in the z manga or anime
As it was the old bardock
Frieza remembers bardock as he looks at goku
How could he have seen bardock if super bardock never confronted him
@@gabrielchastain6091 your right that was old bardock when toryiama only had a few plot points for the character that last scene we get of him seeing the future is what gave the character more freedom in story writing even if it wasn’t realized then .the super bardock movie which was green lit for canon had it to where (him being in the actual *past* )created the “super sayain legend”.with him defeating freiza’s ancestor. they never retcon’d it in the broly movie despite it not showing and we definitely would of heard feedback or answers about it. It’s not the same end as manga and z but the *point to all of this* is they built on more of what we knew and tied up *loose ends with lore* .without making crazy plot holes
Edit: random - but ever seen a story from different view points ? That’s the best I can explain it is ,they could’ve showed us all those scenes with super bardock but they didn’t because *they didn’t need to* it is the broly movie after all . A game series I can bring up that uses this type of story writing in their older games(no need to now they’ve tied up a lot of lore ends throughout the years) is resident evil 2, 3 , outbreak all games with different characters and story’s do thier own thing within the same span of a day but it all links together in the end . The remakes even did a great job hinting at all the action going down within the city my favorite being in re3 remake when tyrell said he saw a “group of survivors heading towards the bridge” on the camera which in lore as re3 story is going down the same time outbreaks story is taking place with those characters trying to find a way out of the city and others completing personal objectives it’s stuff like this that I love, its like a big puzzle. But that’s the way I see how they write db story it’s definitely not as polished and despite.... sometimes it’s like they really just throw things in there just because or story clearly being rushed . Buu saga from z gets a small pass but you can tell how watered down the story got after the cell saga (which is where toryiama wanted the series to end)
Anyways thank you for reading lol my b if it sounds like a rant it’s not ♥️
I love how the Namekian Arm Attack is so unnamed, it's just collectively known as the "stretchy arm attack"
Would you believe me if I told you it's named in DB as the 'Special Telescopic Arm'?
@@zorinus3340 special arm cannon?
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@@holyheretic3185 gum gum bazooka?!?!
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Fun fact: Fusion reborn was written to take place after the buu saga, but since the saga wasn't finished yet, the writers didn't know how it would end so they guessed. Obviously, they couldn't predict everything and got a lot wrong
The funniest part about this is that the writers at the time thought Vegeta would stay dead in hell: in a show with dragonballs and characters who nearly never stay dead :P
@andrewzhang9557 I mean Piccolo told Vegeta his body will be destroyed if he died right before his sacrifice. And in OG DB we were told no body=no ressuruction. So it made sense they believed Vegeta would stay dead
@@ARcticcCc-Ckrillin was blown up so how does that make sense 😂
@user-ve2wx8om6i Krillin was a good person when he died so he got to keep his body.... "Don't mess with us DB fans, we haven't watched the show"
These movies are like the mmpr movie, they take place outside continuity and reside in their own kind of universe
Narrator: “The last two surviving Saiyans fuse together.”
Vegeta: *is dead at the time*
Yeah, that movie was a bit weird. Vegeta had apparently been in HFIL for some reason.
@@marhawkman303 He's talking about during the Buu saga bro.
@@Ashfold_Eberesche No I'm not talking about it being weird that Vegeta was dead, but that Vegeta went to HFIL when he died.
@@marhawkman303 Right but the quote from the OP was regarding when Goku and Vegeta fused in the Buu saga.
@@Ashfold_Eberesche oh yeah, Vegeta was dead. :p
Goku be like, i have this precious ball that every major villain lusts for, i guess il put it on my sons head
I was going to "Um actually" this but then I remembered Pilaf, The Red Ribbon Army and Piccolo Daimo all wanted them.
Long story
But knowing what a terrible dad Goku kinda is, that totally checks out as something he'd do. He'd probably consider bad guys trying to steal it Gohans training.
It's his grandpa's ball, so in Goku's mind it's a good luck charm and a keepsake. These days, the dragon balls being personal items has been completely lost.
super android 13 can't happen because goten wouldn't have been able to be born
Solid point. I’m going to have to remake this now.
@Arthur Morgan why are u asking him a question on someone else’s comment?
I think senzu beans can recover crushed balls, if not they could use the dragon balls to wish for more balls.
Nah, sense beans healed his n#+$ up good.
@@dragon1130 true but while they heal all physical wounds and can regrow lost limbs they'll never remove the mental scars ( which is why goku is still pretty stupid at least in book smarts ).
I love how the Saibamen feel like your average non-canon minion created for a random DBZ game from 20 years ago.
Edit: If you want to say something about Four-Star, go in the replies.
Whereas they themselves were later ripped off by Dr. Whiro’s Bio-Men in World’s Strongest.
@@androidsenpai1462 Heck, Four-Star even references that.
@@Green24152 4 star is trash. A bunch of hypocrites.
@@hughmann9568What do you mean by that?
@@hughmann9568 Have your own opinions, but whoever said opinions can't be incorrect, is incorrect.
I like how they tried setting up an alternative story line and they completely said fuck that with cooler
I think that the first cooler movie took place in a timeline where Frieza got killed by the spirit bomb.
@@urm8matt156 interesting
@@urm8matt156 thats one weak freiza
@@redfrojoe2602 one strong Spirit Bomb.
Nah cooler takes place during the 3 year training.
Chi-chi just cut Gohan s hair cut
I think Broly's motivation would be a lot better if Turles was the one who stabbed Broly
Damn that makes sense. Except instead of Kararot he'd be screaming Turles.
@@chaserred4155 he could mistake turles for goku because of their hair.
It could make sense if Broly hears the name Kakarot and then sees Turles grabbing him to stab him and leave him for death and never heard the name Turles
I think broly is motivation has always made sense people always make fun of him for baby goku but think about this
You are a new born you hear this little bastard crying then accompanied by being stabbed then your planet getting blown up
Alotta trauma for a new born and seeing the baby causing that same crying To echo which might have haunted him constantly as it would remind him of all the terrible shit that happened as a new born
He would want to silence that crying
It's not that stupid it's well I dont know what to call it but it's sad
It's much more emotionally sad
Then super broly is
My friend got his ear blown off and then he left me and my dad is a meanie but everyone loves super broly for some damn reason but makes fun of z broly * p.s I don't hate super broly or his backstory I'm just making a point*
Isn’t Turles and a Goku around the same age
It's funny how despite all of the OG DBZ movies not being canon, characters like Broly (before Super), Cooler, and even Janemba ended up becoming well-known and iconic within the franchise throughout the years.
I kinda want to see them become cannon in some way like maybe a mini arc of them going up against baddies just to train kinda like that room where kid goku goes to the past and meets young roshi so they reintroduce that room and then they face villains as training and guess who shows up instead of frezia and buu cooler and janeba sure it wouldn’t make sense but it’s like that would be cool
@@levievil9220 broly is canon tho
@@JustNowis super not Z
@@levievil9220 Cooler is locked away at the moment and Janemba hasn’t been in introduced yet my point is there gonna be in the canon eventually due to them being fan favorites
tbf janemba is really only remembered for gogeta beating his ass in like 30 seconds
12:43 The Namekian stretchy arm technique was first uses by Piccolo in his fight against Goku in the World Tournament. It's not a movie exclusive, merely a callback to Dragon Ball (the original anime).
Thank you I've been searching for this comment. I think you should not be allowed to make dragon ball content if you skipped the literal first half of the series 😭
In the video, this is mentioned later on
Yeah I was going to say “wtf are you talking about that’s literally been a thing since piccolo reincarnated, are you joshing??”
@@vicbascesyeah actually you are right about this, about 15 in. My apologies, UA-camr
“Frieza’s plans were ultimately cut short by a mysterious youth”
I get it lol
I'm confused. There's another layer to this line?
@@mikeexits
Frieza getting cut in half by Trunks
So basically a pun on that
@@mikeexits the mysterious youth was what the narrator called Trunks before he introduced himself to goku in the show after killing Frieza with his sword So yea just a small pun
C papu misterioso
yes
“Goku prepares to take his son Gohan to calm a house” good job captions
Nice pfp
That house must have been pissed.
It’s a reference to meditation :) dragon ball is filled with symbolism.
To be fair houses can be pretty rowdy
Famous exorcist, Gohan.
Meanwhile In An Alternative Universe: *"Why The Tv Series Can't Happen"*
Wait, so there is a even worse universe then ours?
“Why frieza cant happen”
Considering all the filler? It'd be pretty easy to explain.
Sounds like GT
"why the manga cant happen"
Wow, I love this breakdown so much, I never considered that some of the movies may just be alternate timelines, awesome man!
Appreciate you!
In the movie timeline, Goku went straight home after Namek. He never crashed on an alien planet, trained for a year in ki control, learned instant transmission OR, most importantly, never learned how to turn super at will.
I think that fixes many of the movie timeline's issues.
Goku uses instant transmission in multiple movies tho. Let's say he just spent much LESS time there. Perhaps since he is stronger in this timeline due to multiple zenkais from Tree of Might and Lord Slug, his spirit bomb actually kills Frieza, making King Cold come to Earth sooner.
I think that’s a good explanation for the first cooler movie. Second movie is when it gets weird since Goku doesn’t use instant transmission in the first movie yet he can in the second movie. Maybe he did crash, the Yardrats offer him training but instead of Goku agreeing to stay, he chooses to do that at a later time and just goes to earth right away when they ask him. So when Cooler 2 happens, maybe that’s after he goes back and does their training?
Id say he does travel to yardrat. But as soon as he learns the instant transmission. He teleports back to earth 😂
@@Deathpool_04I think it’s fair to say that the writers didn’t know full super saiyan control and instant transmission would be a thing around the time they made the first cooler movie
@@HatredInTheFlesh Obviously, that’s the real reason. I just meant why he doesn’t have them in universe.
For the Broly one, I'd like to take TFS' interpretation of:
Trunks: "What about Cell?!"
Vegeta: "Fuck 'em."
My favorite thing about the TFS interpretation of the movies was the Super Android 13 one.
“And that’s when the prince realized that when you grab a bull by the horns… sometimes he’ll take you for a ride.”
“And that’s when the time traveler realized that his sword was about as useless as a screen door on a submarine.”
“And that’s when the green man realized that when you suplex a robot, you’d better… ah, what the hell am I doin’?”
@@araelsongheart6918 "I swear they stopped trying after Season 2..."
@@Webshooters1 I work at Starbucks. The first thing I showed my manager when I started working there was Dr. Briefs saying that Cappuccino isn’t Coffee during the Muffin Button scene.
Oh, I’m also working on blueprints for a legit Muffin Button that some multi-millionaires could get installed into their homes until it becomes more affordable to make.
@@araelsongheart6918 that is an awesome flex, i wish I could show my managers something DBZ related that fits work 😂
@@xvoidxhunter2129 well, what do you do?
Actually during the training arc waiting for the Androids, there's a full year of space for cooler to fit in the story
Super Android 13 can't fit because goku was sick from the heart virus
yeah but goku isn't able to control SSJ yet in cooler which he can when he returns to earth
Maybe goku could've used instant transmission to get back to earth after learning it, but before learning how to control ssj, that could explain why goku would need a push to go ssj vs cooler and why goku can use instant transmission vs mecha cooler
Yes and no
And for Goku to forget super Saiyan?
Imagine Cell waiting while the Squad is clapping metal cooler lmao
Knowing Cell, all they needed to do was to give him a call "oh hey, there is this guy who wants revenge for Frieza. You mind if we beat him before coming to the fight"
And Cell would just be like: "sure, go ahead. I'll watch."
In Cell's mind he is the perfect being. Nothing could defeat him. Even if the gang has to go through some power up to defeat Cooler, that would still be weaker than him. If they get stronger, the fight will be more interesting and more fun. If they die, Cell doesn't have to bother doing that himself. So it's a win-win for Cell.
@@HappyBeezerStudios the problem is that Cell would probably wanna join them to test his strength too. Cell wanted to kill Goku by his own hand. His Saiyan pride would not have wanted something else to kill him, so he'd offer to hop along
@@HappyBeezerStudiosyou forget that they had no idea Cooler was back and on Namek. Hence, they wouldn't have told Cell. I know, we all think we are smarter than we actually are.
Return of Cooler's placement is a mess (duh, the entire video is dedicated to pointing that out). Dende doesn't become the new guardian until after Cell becomes perfect, yet Trunks is nowhere to be seen and Vegeta clearly hasn't been to the time chamber yet. Chances are the movie somehow takes place just before Cell absorbs 17, which essentially means Piccolo should be the strongest person there.
As for the subsequent movie, Super Android 13, at least that one could arguably be placed as a what-if scenario where Cell never appears, Goku recovers, and then they destroy 17 and 18 as a team without ever needing to use the time chamber.
"Along with the trend of goku forgetting that he is a supersayan"
To be fair, he does tend to forget it even in the canon
Nah he just starting small and working uo to it
I can see goku doing that
Nah you're confusing cannon Goku who likes to take his fights slow, with dumb tag Goku who forgets everything
@@6Shi6Kei6 so you mean super goku?
@@Saiyanking72 TFS?
I always figured Cooler and revenge of cooler happened in a timeline in which the spirit bomb killed Frieza which resulted in Goku never having to go super Saiyan on namek. This would explain why they make such a big show of him going super Saiyan on earth, as it would be the first time he accesses the form in that timeline.
That would explain why Vegeta isn’t around. No one wished him back.
@@potsdam28 but he is back in the second cooler movie.
Or maybe Goku hadn't mastered super sayain yet? That seems way more likely. He still needs anger as the trigger. Plus Cooler makes mention of the Super sayain so that throws it out.
But cooler mentioned how a super saiyan defeated Frieza.
@@milowolfface9392 He was able to go Super Saiyan effortlessly for Trunks, though. So that rules out Cooler's Revenge taking place after Trunks arrives.
Dead Zone: Everyone's outfit is exactly the same as in the main series, which makes it unlikely.
Bojack Unbound: Everyone's outfit is slightly different than the main series, which makes it unlikely.
*visible confusion*
Insert random movie: this is unlikely which makes it unlikely
To be fair he put a ? just in case
I mean the SAME cloths 1 year later is unlikely. Where as in Bojack it’s being in the middle of an arc is weird to have the cloths different
Bojack movie is confirmed to happen after Cell saga. It is said in the movie that Trunks came back to tell the others he had defeated the androids in his timeline. Just like he was about to do when Cell came to him. This was the point in time where Trunks killed Cell in his timeline, and Cell killed Trunks in Cell’s original timeline.
@@grydon6422 trunks' hair was short when he killed cell but long in BoJack, unless trunks waited an entire year after killing Cell just to come back when only a few weeks has pass in the present is weird.
It's funny, because all of these movies came out at times where they "could" potentially make sense, but are essentially immediately retconned by the plot moving too quickly/in a different direction until Bojack, when Toriyama finally did a seven-year timeskip, giving Bojack some room to breathe.
Nope, they were never supposed to fit in the timeline.
@@randybobandy9828 They were but they failed lol. Like with gogeta fusion movie
Fusion Reborn they just took guesses not knowing what would happen in the end of buu saga since it was lowkey or high key right before the end of buu saga they released the movie
@@lucas096br4 not at all
@@randybobandy9828 Well I just know from some information about Fusion Reborn
@@randybobandy9828yes they were supposed to fit
19:05 Fun fact! The Return of Cooler actually has Dende as the new guardian of earth MONTHS before it happened in the manga. Honestly kind of hilarious.
Bigger fight
DBZA made probably the best joke of this I could think of. The reason the z-warriors are ON namek is because Dende dropped them a message when he got to earth asking them to visit him **SO THEY FLEW TO NAMEK** where he should be. Whole thing ends on Dende screaming from the lookout "Where the hell are they?!?!"
@@tehm-tpc Shut the fuck up. TFS is dead. Cry over it
@@tehm-tpc It took me just now to figure out what Dende meant near the end LMFAO
@@jordandennis6794 yeesh, who hurt you?
Akira Toriyama has stated that the DB movies take place in separate "what if" dimensions. Great video, all backed by the greatest DB authority of them all.
Source?
answer nowhere
@@NeedyForMusic
Source- Dude trust me
That is false unless you consider Dragon Ball Z a different dimension because it has garlic jr.
@Failingpepper 11 right. The anime exclusive should take priority as the continuity for the anime. Just like super does with blue evolution and copy vegeta.
Plot Twist: The dbz manga is messing up the movies and the movies are toriyama's original continuity
There is no Dragon Ball Z manga. The manga was called Dragon Ball from Goku’s appearance in the woods as a kid to Goku flying away with Oob at the end of the series
@@jackhamilton9604 you know what he means tho so shut up
@@kodyrowe-manns6360 1. My point still stands
2. No need to be a dickhead about it
@@jackhamilton9604 Your point is mute
@@NotAquesart at least I wasn’t being rude about it
This video's so good I come back every once in a while when I remember it exists, great work man
Mystical Adventure is coming soon!
Hes wrong about Broly. this is a comment i left on a different video, but the points in it still explain why he has good writing and why hes liked for a good reason, apologies for the wall of text
did you watch the movie? the doctors taunt broly because "kakarot" made him cry even though he was weak. hearing the word again when he met the z fighters reminded him of that, AND the day he literally got stabbed as a baby and had to save himself and his father from the planet blowing up. hes "just staring" at goku because of the emotion and personality suppressing device his dad made to control him that he is wearing (LITERAL MIND CONTROL). broly was just a pawn to paragus to get what he wanted (LIKE THE PLANET THEY WERE ON). once he breaks free from that control his true sadistic personality emerges and he tears the z fighters apart. he literally taunts them and makes jokes the whole time while having the power to 4v1 them and only loses once goku is FORCED to use the power of the others and hit him where he got stabbed as a baby. and thats why people like him, hes a cocky super powerful villian who does things nobodys really done before in Z while being the LITERAL Legendary Super Saiyan
if you think Broly hates goku more than vegeta in the first movie youre just wrong, Vegeta's attacks just unfaze broly so he doesnt really care about him. broly just sees goku as the best challenge hes had, at least in a while
its the 2nd and 3rd movie that really make people think hes a mindless berserker. but the 3rd movie isnt even broly its a clone so that doesnt count
he literally blew up because of gokus attack and his body not being able to handle his power increasing, and then got trapped under ice for 7 years. he screams kakarot because he now ACTUALLY hates him for losing to him. goten looks exactly like goku but broly is not used to expressing his emotions in his base form because of his fathers mind control so he doesnt say much UNTILL he transforms into the legendary super saiyan which brings out his true personality and he says just 1 or 2 full sentences. but he toys around with videl, gohan, and trunks and even in the final beam struggle with the family Kamehameha Brolys laughing and not putting much effort into his attack at all. He was winning the struggle by a long shot until trunks stops one of Brolys attacks from powering up his attack even more and that distracts broly for just a moment, to which gohan goku and goten take their chance to put all of their power into the Kamehameha and blast him backwards into the sun
and in bio broly he seems very weak comparatively and he has no personality really, youre right about that one being bad BUT its not even Broly, its (again) a clone
and thats why Broly is a good character and the original plot of movie 12 shouldve happened instead of janemba
The movies have always been something of a separate timeline. That’s why I enjoyed the xenoverse games. The fact that your patrolling different timelines means you can experience these movies and they can sort of exist. But the games are obviously non canon too. It’s just a lot of fun. I enjoy the one mission where goku and vegeta are trying to become super Saiyan gods but go super saiyan 4 instead and don’t know if that’s the god form.
What mission is that because I never fully completed the game but that sounds awesome
@@caseybouquet I think it’s the Fu Extra Story stuff during the first mission, you have to have Goku as your mentor for the hidden ending I think
What mission is that and which xenoverse?
Xenoverse 2 is a lot more cannon than you think
@@zuxyr Don't be that guy
I’ve always considered “Cooler’s Revenge” to take place in an alternate timeline where Goku was able to defeat Frieza with the Spirit Bomb
But then he never attains SSJ, and if the cooler movie was his awakening…. Weak
@@ae_sko88 no, you could say his power level was different. Makes him a bit weaker in SSJ.
I place it in future trunks’ timeline before all that android stuff and the heart attack happen. It is said that when goku returned to earth, he killed frieza and king cold. So I like to think in this timeline, goku is responsible for killing cooler’s family, not trunks because this is in future trunks’ timeline before shit went down
@@paytonallen1027 that can’t happen tho considering goku when he returns to earth has instant transmission and has complete control of Ssj but goku in the cooler movie can’t transform at will and he should have IT if it was in trunks’s timeline
@@Jon-jt9fy I didn’t mean weak as in his power level, I meant his motivation to transform at all
I just assume that Buu didn't show up in Wrath of the Dragon because he was sleeping. That was his excuse for most of Super
Cell games
@@doubledownpleasegosubtotte4274 your not sudjesting wrath of the dragon takes place during the cell games right?
Goku litteraly uses ssj3 and gotenks arround too
Its after the buu saga
I think this movie is a what if where Goku, Gohan or Gotenks kills Buu before he absorbs anyone. It's my head canon but it works for me.
@@mazokuwarrior it’s after kid Buu.
Wrath of the dragon takes place after buu saga
The real problem with Cooler's Revenge is that Cooler hears of Freeza's death and wants to avenge him, but not his father at all who would be killed by Trunks at this point.
He probably heard Goku killed him on namek & prob had no clue freeza was still alive or that him & king cold went to earth for revenge thus being killed by future trunks. If he did hear about freeza being murder by trunks, he would prob hear it was by a super Saiyan & nobody knew who trunks was until he explained to Goku (and piccolo heard too) so he could have just assumed it was goku
No that wouldn't be a problem at all, because coolers revenge takes place long before trunks even arrives. King cold wouldn't be dead yet, and they wouldn't have met trunks yet. It doesn't take place after trunks
So explain Goku being on Earth@@sanchezo95
@Kravenrogue you do know the movies take place in a whole other timeline/universe right? Goku leaves yardrat earlier in the movie than he did in the main timeline. He returns to earth long before trunks arrives, so what ever events that happen in the show after frieza saga, don't correlate with the movie, they're not suppose to, the movies are a what if or change of events in the show, and then going from there
@@sanchezo95 so you are correcting your own coment? Thats what I was trying to say, the Movies are not in the same Main timeline
Bojack is definitely the hardest one to debunk. Out of all of the movies it's probably the only one that can be considered canon.
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i think Cooler and Wrath of the Dragon fit decently enough, honestly
Dead Zone, Cooler 1, Bojack, and Wrath of the Dragon. I mean these one only really have minor plot holes that could also explain away with a few recones.
@@zero1zerolast393 Dead Zone (conflicts with the beginning of Z) and Cooler 1 (Goku just doesn't forget to go Super Saiyan) can't happen. Bojack and Wrath of the Dragon are the only ones where you can argue that they can be canon to the main series.
I hope the trend of the Super Broly movie, of remaking and cannonizing movie characters becomes a thing. Namely I want a whole ass arc surrounding Janemba and the Underworld. It makes sense that we have Angels and a hierarchy overseeing things- its only natural to have the mirror opposite baddy faction to oppose them.
@@okagron Cooler 1 can happen with in the training for the Androids to arrive, Goku not using his full power right away until he needs it is something he ALWAYS does even in the cannon of the show.
Dead Zone however can't happen because it directly conflicts with the time line.
Fun thing about Dende being in movie 6 is that it happened 8 months before it happened in the manga. Yes the manga not the anime. Meaning that either Toriyama told the animators that far in advance, they guessed and got lucky, or they just said screw it and Toriyama liked the idea that much.
It's probably the last one. Toriyama doesn't get too hung up on cannon and lore
Also when they got dendr gohan was older he already went through the room of spirit in time. I got the part in the video where he said that
Bardock was included in a single panel flashback in the manga just because Toriyama really liked the tv special
@JoGeJo guess my memory was off lol
I also remember reading somewhere that we got vegito instead of gogeta because toriyama planned for a goku and vegita fusion. With most of the movies having that element i think the guys that made movies actually had some knowledge of what toriyama was going to do
I definitely agree that the Bojack Movie felt like the most canon, since it was after the cell saga, Gohan unlocking Ssj2, Goku is dead, and future trunks returning to visit after a couple of months. Shame that it isn’t canon, it would’ve made sense.
Because of team four star I just think it’s hilarious to imagine a space pirate stuck in that tiny planet no one cared to mention
Yes. Agreed.
@@dkal7112 shut up about those jobbers. They stole content and should be sued
@@jordandennis6794 wth you talking about they remade the entire dialogue they didnt steal shit. The only thing they didnt change was the animation and they couldnt change that
I like to believe that wrath of the dragon and BoJack unbound are cannon
"Something no villain in the Dragon Ball franchise would ever accomplish again: immortality."
Zamasu: Am I a joke to you?
Nobody cares about Super
preettyyy sure he didn't exist 8 years ago
@@gionny03 everyone does
@@gionny03 I think you mean original dragon ball
Original video is older than DBS and you.
The thing I love abt Broly is that, he's proof that " The Legendary super saiyan awakens after a millenium" isn't bs, and that it would've actually been able to kill Frieza's whole family without a sweat, thats why Frieza was so afraid. It even beat Goku and Vegeta's SSJB
Well Super power scaling is messed up.
Except for Whis and Beerus who consistently remain "on the next level", and Zeno, everyone else is BS.
For example, Jiren is stronger than his G.O.D., who in turn is on the same level as Beerus. But Goku overpowers Jiren using perfected ultra instinct, while also being severely outclassed by Beerus later while training in said state.
At the beginning of Super, everyone ia Universe busting level and untouchable by anyone outside their little group, after the tournament of power (after several massive power boosts), planet busting level becomes impressive again and many, many randos get on the level of Perfected SSB G&V and UI Goku.
Frankly, power scaling remains somewhat consistent only up until right beforethe Goku Black saga, after that they're all over the place.
All this to say, don't take those bits seriously.
@@Anankin12 I think you are confused. You are talking about DBZ like it was DBS.
At he beginning of Z, every Z warrior was already way stronger than all humans, and after Saiyan saga all of them had the power to completely obliterate whole planets. If that's not enough, Cell states he can errase the whole solar system, and Goku, Vegeta, Gohan and Gotenks are way stronger than him. Heck, even Buu was strong enough to open portals trough dimensions with his raw power, and in his fight with Vegito universe started to collapse. All of that happens while, somehow, Tenshinhan is strong enough to stop Cell in his second form and damage Buu with a KiKoHo and somehow all Z warriors are strong enough to figth toe to toe against Cell juniors. Power scale has been a bitch since Namek saga lmao
@@crossknight1490 yep the Namek saga really blew that whole power thing out of proportion to crazy levels. It went from the strongest peeps having about 10000 power to millions real fucking quick
@@crossknight1490 Kikoho is an op move that multiplies your power by ?, Buu isn't hard to "damage", he got penetrated by bullets, and they're not all fighting toe-to-toe, Vegeta and Trunks are the only ones who actually seem like they're winning, the humans and Piccolo are just too weak and Goku is exhausted
@@mist0804 Not just that, but while power output stays pretty consistent in DB, durability fluctuates wildly; hence the ever-stupid "SSJ4 can be cut by glass" thing; characters seem to skyrocket or rapidly plummet in toughness as the plot demands, even if they're still batting a thousand in terms of sheer attacking power. Anybody could potentially be scuffed by anyone else if the plot calls for it, it's the absurd numbers of the attack itself that DB seems to have down pat.
Didn't Toriyama say he thought of the movies as being in different dimensions/timelines? I don't think they were ever meant to be part of the canonical lore, but this is definitely an interesting breakdown either way and well researched
that's the explanation people use to justify them now
Db minus - db - dbz - db super - end of z,
Db - dbz movies - end of z - dbgt - a héroes journey,
No toriyama did not say that its people who cannot accept the movies as non-canon who made it up
@@mailowmailow5207he did said it
@@haimarrrr Where is the proof? People make lots of stuff up since he don't speak English
I really want Bojack to be canon, only because it makes Teen Gohan in the Orange Gi canon
I gotta admit, bojack and wrath of the dragon to me feel like they existed in the main canon. Well, the earlier ones sorta did but it doesn't seem as interesting. I could've easily enjoyed a 13 episode saga about Bojack and his crew and whatnot, and it then skipping years into the gohan we wanted not the neutered one. With wrath of the dragon, lots of elements fell into GT except the wierd decision to scrap the sword, and the dragon fist move is really awesome.
@@oneandonlysound99 running away
Gohan wears his Fathers Gi.
I said it.
it probably is so many reasons why
@alligator lizards majin vegeta?
Great video. You're a good narrator, and I loved how you mimicked the DBZ style with it.
Vegeta: 3 Whole Androids? Never going to let the boy live this one down
@ShadowWolf2023-yp5zg
Yup cause cell lol actually two cells so nine
26:00 The thing about the "picnics" is a cultural one; the movies were released each year around May Jun and July, because of school vacations in japan. Broly's movie clearly depicts the Z warriors enjoying Hanami festival a flower viewing party that takes place at the end of March to early May, cherry trees bloom all over Japan and people eat and party under. That scene is the most Japanese part of any DB animated content.
I dunno, Goku sending a rabbit to the moon is pretty Japanese
Nerrrrrrd
@@Saint0999 I mean we are watching a 50 minute dbz video about how the movies couldn't be cannon
@@veryfunnyguy4991
Lol, facts
@@Saint0999 jerkass
Why I personally believe the bojack movie can be canon: 1) One of the options you presented occured 2) Piccolo has a clothes beam, and he had a red belt in super hero, which is canon 3) The sword was with vegeta and Bulma meaning they probably fixed it for him and were waiting to give it back to him. Nailed it.
Can, but it isn't.
@@BeingOfEvil0it doesn't make a difference either way. The movies exist and if someone wants to (or doesn't) want to believe they're canon, what does it matter?
Same thing with Z Broly for the clothes beam thing (minus the fact that it just isn't canon)
Did y'all forget piccolo used clothes beam in the Saiyan saga
Also the cell saga on gohan
So glad I just stumbled onto your channel. I could watch essay videos about Dragon Ball all day!
The transitions between the main story & the segway into the movies were hilarious. There's so much going against them for them to actually take place during the main timeline. So the alternate timeline theory makes more sense.
Last time I checked the theory was confirmed (I think)
@jellytheskeleton4559 yeah theres a different version of goku called xeno goku and in his timeline he experienced the movies and then gt compared to our goku who didnt get the movies and then super
"The movies are not possible to be considered canon"
Fans: I reject your reality and subsitute my own
Yes! Dungeon master!
@@tinygreencreature5167 W-what? No...mythbusters. The hell is dungeon master?
@@mill4318 oh... And I was so happy for a second
@@tinygreencreature5167 Perhaps you'd know it under the title "Ragewar: The Challenges of Excalibrate"?
As bad as super is you have to lol
“With the newly awakened 16 in tow, the androids begin their search for goku who is now awake & enjoying a nice day at the mall........WHAT THE FU-“ 😂😂
17: It's time to hunt for the now sickly Goku. I hear he's enjoying himself at the mall right now.
18: That doesn't make sense, brother.
17: ....I'll be needing a boat ride if I ever get to make a wish to a wish-granting being capable of restoring 7 universes.
18: Restoring multiple universes when the universe is everything anyway? That'll be the day.
Timestamps:
00:00 - Dead Zone
04:10 - The World's Strongest
07:15 - Tree of Might
10:15 - Lord Slug
13:32 - Cooler's Revenge
16:49 - The Return of Cooler
19:26 - Super Android 13
21:48 - Broly: The Legendary Super Saiyan
27:06 - Bojack Unbound
30:27 - Broly: Second Coming
34:04 - Bio-Broly
35:57 - Fusion Reborn
39:52 - Wrath of the Dragon
Why did he not cover the hatchiyak movie?
@@kingclampz6081 I think it's a special
Canon or not, they’re still entertainment for me
That’s all that matters
Hey Star Platinum how are you
Ora
Especially the version
How dare you enjoy non-canon!?!?!
The stretching arm trick was actually used in dragon ball once with Piccolo Jr and Goku’s fight however the movies use them much more
It was actually agaisnt Krillin if I recall it right. He used it to grabs krillin leg... But you could also be right, Piccolo and Goku's fight was huge!
@@gilzineto no you are correct I was misremembering, thank you!
As a child seeing the movies on CN i always wondered why they literally forgot Cell existed for three movies, then after seeing how all the characters acted, i just assumed at all the movies were not canon.
As Toriyama always told , movies represent a what if scenarios, alternative Dragonball World. So there just no Cell, like at all. Instead of Cell, Gero basement kept androids 13,14,15. Which are mechanical just like 16. This makes some sense since Gero was building that kind of cyborgs previously and had trust issues with 17 and 18.
@@alexzero3736 Honestly, it makes a lot of sense that most of Gero's creations pre-17 and 18 were mechanical. If he had previously worked with creating cyborgs, he would certainly have developed better methods of keeping his creations under control, especially if he not only planned on making them super powerful, but also made them part of a plan in which they die in order to create a stronger android. He obviously didn't account for the contempt 17 and 18 felt towards him for taking their lives away, nor their natural need for freedom and aversion to neing given orders due to previously being humans.
@@basedimperialism I also can't believe he wasn't involved with Eight. Who defected. Nine or Ten may or may not have been Tao. Metallic *might* have been Seven? There is more gap than substance known in his portfolio.
New Dragon Ball channel that compares the movies to the Anime and the Arc it follows shot by shot!
m.youtube.com/@dragonballchief1855
m.youtube.com/@dragonballchief1855/featured
This is a really good video concept and the execution is super well done!!
"For, you see, Broly isn't your average Saiyan." "Noooooo..." One of my favourite jokes.
Chichi was already pregnant with Goten by the time Goku went to fight the Androids, given the dates of both the Cell Games and Goten’s official birthday
The way you phrase "piccolo passes on the message to Gokus friends then take his son Gohan" makes it sound like it's piccolo son their talking about lol
😉
To be fair, from that point on it might as well be the case!
@@ShaimingLong crashing in
Time for us to get Piccolo III, considering the Piccolo in DBZ is already the son of the original Piccolo.
The number of times ive watched this video over the years is absurd, i always come back to it, its just so entertaining lol
Masterpiece youtube video
Your script writing is impeccable; cramming in so much key information into so few words, well done its clear you two love this series
Dead people (thumbs up)!
“Only one explanation, Supreme Kai of Time” - Toki Toki
0:00 why deadzone can’t happen
5:28 why world’s strongest can’t happen
8:00 why tree of might can’t happen
11:24 why lord slug can’t happen
15:06 why cooler’s revenge can’t happen
17:45 why return of cooler can’t happen
20:28 why super android 13 can’t happen
22:46 why broly can’t happen
28:28 why bojack unbound can’t happen
32:00 why broly second coming can’t happen
34:13 why bio-broly can’t happen
38:01 why fusion reborn can’t happen
46:02 why wrath of the dragon can’t happen
A reply giving all the time stamps since for some reason they keep erasing.
0:00 why deadzone can’t happen
5:28 why world’s strongest can’t happen
8:00 why tree of might can’t happen
11:24 why lord slug can’t happen
15:06 why cooler’s revenge can’t happen
17:45 why return of cooler can’t happen
20:28 why super android 13 can’t happen
22:46 why broly can’t happen
28:28 why bojack unbound can’t happen
32:00 why broly second coming can’t happen
34:13 why bio-broly can’t happen
38:01 why fusion reborn can’t happen
46:02 why wrath of the dragon can’t happen
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Bro is just a loudmouth chasing clout
MVP
@@EternalBMF405 who?…you?
This was totally worth 49 minutes. Thank you!!!
People really do have short attention spans
This guy's narrator voice is pretty underrated.
Blue belts
He sounds just like the narrator...lol :p
Yeah he sound like the Optimus prime voice actor and narrator of dbz
Doesn’t the fact that the entire reason Cooler was there to get revenge in the first place was because he was a character from another movie that can’t happen also contribute to the fact his second movie can’t?
lol right. That sould've been an obvious thing to mention, but they probably didn't want to seem redundant.
Especially since linking movies together as an alternate timeline was something stressed throughout the entire video.
Watch time it's all watchtime
Cooler is canon, i looked it up, king cold mentions him
@@ChaosDiverShawiii Cold never mentioned him at all. Cooler was never mentioned by Cold or Frieza..
Dragon Ball University: Why the movies cant exist
Toei Animation: “Ima act like I didn’t see this”
I mean, Toei Animation legit have made a Canon Broly that makes the first 3 Broly movies unable to exist.
@@ThatRandomFastingGuy Toriyama-sama himself said that they're canon... just may be in not the main time line.
Oh god 3 timelines
@@marhawkman303 he said they were alternate timelines.
@@freezingfire1800 Yeah, but that doesn't erase them from existence. In fact it means that even though that specific sequence of events didn't happen in the main time line... the characters involved are probably out there somewhere. We saw that with Broly. Where's Cooler? :D
I love this video so much THANK YOU it’s so funny, logical, and just great 😊 I enjoyed every minute of it
Me and my friends used to try and place these movies into the timeline lol our brains were permanently damaged from it.
Lol big mistake
This video is over two years old and I just found out about it? It really goes in depth to each movie and the continuity mistakes they have and I even learned a lot of new things I didnt know was possible. Great video man
It really is! Mistakes is maybe the wrong word though, since they have to have known they couldnt really fit this many movies in properly
Meh it's obvious with inconsistent power levels and how gohan fights bojack without first going super saiyan 2 while goku is dead. They are their own timeline within a saga
none of this is valid. no cartoon movies have ever lined up to the tv series.. its stupid. and the dbz movies are 100% cannon. more cannon than super.
I’m just glad Broly was made canon. That movie slapped hard.
jomegadude
Definitely one of the best additions to the series and was so much superior compared to original Broly movie series. That is how you properly write a script to fit in with a pre-existing storyline.
Waiting for turles to be Canon
@@sonsonthegoddessofconfusio3183 I’m waiting for Pump Daddy C to be canon.
@@gamersinger5118 there was nothing wrong with the fight scenes in the z broly film
@@flamingcat1101
No. The story itself was the problem. Terrible writing and plot. And the characterization of Broly was awful. Super is how you do it right.
Dude this video is super fun 🔥 love the cuts, the edits, the voices, the jokes are fun 🤙🏼
I was about fourteen when I was thinking about the tree of might and trying to figure out when it would have happened. It felt like my whole world was shaken when I realized it couldn't have been part of the main story.
The first four movies take place in the timeline where the sayIns were killed earlier which is why vegeta doesn’t show up and the other z fighters are alive.
Naruto stole that whole plot
But it could have happened during the training for the androids
@Samuel Walker I thought this was a bit hyperbolic, but after thinking about it you’re right. They even fought an evil counterpart of one of their main characters, being Madara as one of the previous reincarnation of Sasuke.
@@lynnusuk2092 Naruto did it better but I’m a kinda disappointed
Super Android 13 actually makes perfect sense if it's the timeline the Trunks that Cell killed was traveling to. Think about it we have
A) Dead Dr Gero
B) The androids defeated (judging by their casual atmosphere)
C) Not discovered the underground lair
D) No Cell
This is a timeline where Trunks vaccinated Goku, 17 and 18 showed up, but with the help of Trunks they managed to defeat them. Trunks hangs out on Earth a little bit, then this movie happens. With the experience he gained fighting all these Androids, Trunks goes back to his future and defeats his 17 and 18, then he tries to come back to this timeline to tell everyone the good news, but instead he's ambushed by the Cell we know and love. The Trunks in the Super Android 13 movie is the same Trunks we see Cell kill in his backstory. That Trunks even used his sword to try and fight Cell like the one in this movie does.
Woah. You just made the most plot-screwy movie make perfect sense.
@@darkknight5541 all of them are on the same wave length of non canon ness.
Basicly trunks who killed by Cell is killing android with emergency switch, so he don't training and his sword never broken because even they kill android without fighting. That's why he is no match with Cell. But i agree with you, if trunks killed by Cell after comeback from past, after he say good news, and finally help face again 13,14,& 15. That android 13 movie can be Canon.
Wait, in the movie at the beginning 17 and 18 killed Dr. Gero. So basically this movie should have happened BEFORE 17 and 18 were defeated like you said.
then this is just an alternate timeline you could make this arguement for probably every movie
the bojack movie is so underrated, would fit pretty well with the main timeline.
Yea, I really liked the Tenshinhan vs Trunks fight, when Trunks had to go SSJ in order to defeat him :p
@@dandychiggins7240 wut? He didnt need it Trunks was holding back the entire fight it was tien who said hey don't hold back i'm not a baby base Trunks would Beat tien easily he went ssj to respect tien as he told Trunks NOT to hold back
@@danielgonzalez-vm5lj I know you're right but I never liked that fact that Tien is weaker than most of the z fighters I mean the guy trains all the time and started a whole dojo to train other fighters (who are all weak which makes no sense). But even with all that you expect me to believe that just because Tien is human that automatically makes him inferior is dumb. In my head cannon Tien is the strongest human (including 17 and 18)
@@waffleten9750 tbh makes sense the Saiyans are a very OP race as get transformacmtions and no limit depending on plot piccolo was a súper namekian to give You an idea it's like if piccolo was the Broly of his race
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The only serious problem with the Broly placement - and this is totally splitting hairs, as you mentioned - is that Goku and Gohan were still perma-blonde at the time. Granted, you can sort of explain why Goku wasn't Super Saiyan - Chi-Chi was able to get him into a suit, so she could probably badger him into letting his hair be black for an hour - but Gohan was just relaxing at a party with his friends, so it's weird that he would disengage the form, which he otherwise is shown maintaining continuously until the Cell Games end.
It would make sense if cell was already dead if Cell never baited vegeta and vegeta killed him
Blonde hair was a sign of delinquency/rebellion in Japan. It's why of you listen to the BT3 dialogues from Chi Chi in the character bios she keeps on calling Super Saiyans delinquents.
Yup. There are many reasons I dislike the Broly movies, aside from how god awful Broly's motivation is as a character. On top of that, from the time Gohan exits the time chamber until Goku returns from Otherworld, Gohan is the strongest character in the series. Even prior to transforming into SSJ2, his SSJ1 form after fully powering up was stronger than Goku.
@@randumo24 Well, that isn't to say the comparison isn't complicated, though. Gohan does have a higher base power level than Goku, but just from watching their respective fights against Cell it's obvious that Goku does better; Gohan barely lands a hit on Cell. So although Gohan is somewhat stronger than Goku in raw terms, he's also a much less competent fighter overall. So it's reasonable that against someone like Broly, who's much stronger than any of the cast here, Goku as the most skilled martial artist would hold out better than anyone else.
@@meganbarhorst5272 That's not exactly true. Gohan is actually an extremely skilled fighter at that point after training with Goku for so long. The reason he wasn't doing well against Cell is because he was holding back and was scared of the damage he would do to the planet.
Broly was different than Cell. Not only had Broly already gone around destroying multiple planets, but they were fighting on a planet that was going to be destroyed soon regardless of what they did. Gohan had no reason to hold back like he did against Cell. Even if many find Gohan's reasons for holding back against Cell questionable, those reasons don't exist where Broly is concerned.
With the popularity of all the Dragon Ball what-if stories these days, I'd love to see one based on the Garlic Jr. timeline. Not just in-universe, but out-of-universe. Like, what if Goku wasn't even a Saiyan? What if the story never went sci-fi and instead stayed more fantasy? *What if Goku never stopped using his Pole and Nimbus!?*
I want a “goku is just a mutant” miniseries so bad
I used to though about this very often, it would be interessant, like instead of power levels increasing insanely fast and makimg the characters galaxy busters, they would simply focus in earth and the deities, i even make an story based on this but it never turned it into a fanfic or something similiar
The story presented the creator of tenkaichi budokai, he created it to test his strengh, he was Earth's strongest warrior, but as far his power grew, also his ambition grow it, he recruited some of the earth strongest warriors and tried to sieg kami's lookout, but Kami and his disciples fought them, after an harsh battle that resulted bot in kami and warrior's disciples deaths, kami managed to seal the warrior in the moon, hundred years later when roshi desteoyed the moon in 21st tournament the warrior was released, but he was heavly weakned.
The warrior spent many years training hard to restore his strengh, he managed to flee kami's radar for years, when goku and piccolo where fighting in the 23rd tournament, the warrior with his strengh fully recovered decided to catch the dragonballs and revived four of his disciples
This is far that i planned before i trashed up, i also had maked an alternate version, wich the warrior instead of revive his disciples, he revived kami old disciples and managed to mind manipulate them, and these warriors where the stronged centuries ago.
I also made other more small stories, unlike the story i mencioned before, these are more like concepts, i will list here
- some concepts of what-if goku fell in another place in earth, like if he was founded, by capsule corp, or by red ribbon, even raised by an character created by me, like a police officer, or a billionarie.
- and little retelling dragom ball lore but more detail that don't exist in the original(like Ox-king havind an actual kingdom and not only a castle) and even with original characters like martial artist masters and even a league made up of warriors
What if goku and bulma switched places when they first met and goku was the who shot bulma?
the janemba one only makes sense if it's a alternate timeline where Goku beat fat buu as SSJ3, instead of just stalling him hoping goten and trunks would save the world for a change
He'd probably be able to based on how much stronger he is in this alt timeline.
its so plausible it hurts. i placed fusion reborn after the buu saga it makes the most sense there, goku literally quotes on buu directly. but when he mentioned the stuff on Earth it was a little inconsistent, mainly w Gohan
The duality of debunking:
1. The entire timeline would be different because (insert long paragraph)
2. The clothes color, lol!!!
Both equally correct
Actually wrath of the Dragon explains how GT trunks has a sword not future trunks, probably future trunks never meet tapion, found a sword in the ruins of a city and think hey look a sword, and then take the sword to look more cool, and because wrath of the Dragon take place in GT timeline thats why he can't happen, i mean super goku doesn't have the Dragon fist and GT goku has, so i think you understood my point, my english sucks, sorry if i wrote something wrong
@David Tachthey actually don't. The only thing that would point to this is coolers cameo in gt, and he's put in there by mistake
@@uru47d73bxue A cameo of Cooler & Slug appear on screen in GT just saying.
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@@AstraFulminous they were animation errors. aminoapps.com/c/dragonballz/amp/blog/why-movies-do-not-scale-to-dragonball-gt/pXzT_Quqe6zEe0wZeQkLJQn20DGz3Gq#aoh=15935459029898&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From%20%251%24s
Also slug never appeared in GT either
$uper isn't canon.
@@leonardoalvarenga7572 yes it is, super is canon, as well as the super broly movie
Cooler's Revenge is in another timeline, where Goku accepts being brought back to earth by Shenron when his friends ask it. Meaning he both never learned how to do the instant transmission from Yardrat and never learned to master transforming into Super Saiyan.
But that contradicts the second cooler movie, in that movie Goku uses the instant transmisión and goes súper saiyan at will q
it's after trunks came to warn everyone about androids.
anime skips to the action doesn't it?
@@blacksoldier430 maybe instead he came early but not when his friends asked him to only learning instant transmission
@@blacksoldier430 the second cooler movie is not in the same timeline of the first one. I know is weird
@@ryszakowy but where is Vegeta? Maybe it’s while he’s in space. Surely he’d sense powerful fighters. I guess they could be relaxing in between training sessions for the Androids.
Personally I like the idea that the movies are canon to their own parallel timeline, and *could* actually be traveled to from the main timeline thanks to the time rings. One of these days I'd actually be really interested in an alternate Dragonball series meant to be entirely consistent with the movies.
GT? I don't think anything in GT contradictions the movies. Hell Cooler even makes an appearance. The movies and GT happen in one timeline.
@@tomwalker8944 no, the inconsistencies are still there
@@massoik4411They are but at the end of the day cooler existing connects that universe to two movies at least. Also Icarus being in the cooler movie sort suggest that dead zone and tree of light are connected to GT and cooler as well.
I like the idea that the story of Dragonball turned from history to folklore to legend over the many retelling over many generations. Because each retelling introduced more errors the stories got less and less consistent over time, but each story is still based on a core of truth.
May I recommend dragon ball heroes manga?
Lord slug, cooler, broly, and others like the tree of the universe’s multiversal counterpart are canon alongside GT in there
Man that was great, I just discovered your channel, definitely worth a subscribe
The stretchy arm attack wasn't exclusive to the movies! It originally appeared in the Dragon Ball, but was absent from the entirety of Z! It made its debut in the episode "The Mysterious Hero" (ep138)
It was probably just an ability Toriyama forgot or wasn't fond of. So he decided not to use in in projects he was part of (until Super that is)
Darn it - too late :P
Also "It was probably just an ability Toriyama forgot or wasn't fond of." Yeah he forgot about that, like he did with many other things (he even forgot Lunch existed).
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@@ABaumstumpf no, that's a rumor based on a misrepresented statement by Toriyama.
Toriyama thought he forgot to include Lunch for a few chapters and then just said she went to follow Tenshinhan, despite Lunch being part of the previous chapter(which would have been just at the five year time skip).
Toriyama even suggested ALL of the filler scenes of Lunch in the anime.
@dAncing He barely touched on it and I was just adding more context dipshit
He corrects himself later
I loved Lord Slug when I was younger. I thought it was so hype when Disturbed started playing during the fight.
Funimation went in with the music during Slug-Cooler movies. I miss nu-metal music.
Lord slug is such a good movie
There’s a dbs supercut that has songs in it too that’s fucking incredible. Yeah I miss those old days me and my buddies lost our mind when we saw that the first time.
This is literally just fixing the timeline with the Time Patrol lol
Time police
The T.V.A
@@quadeevans6484 yes and no, I now wanna see Loki dbx cosplayers
*Dragon Ball Xenoverse*
Say do you think we (the player) can wipe out the entire time patrol?
If we can damage everyone
This is such a great video!
OMG I need the DBZ Abridged version of Goku telling Cell that he's going on vacation to Namek and Cell has to wait till he gets back to fight.
Cell" There's a south Galaxy?"
Goku "Ummm forget I said anything"
"No"
"OK Bye" *pop*
"I'm going to miss our chats"
@@Dan55888 I'm dying lol. I love dbz abridged
HAIL PRINCESS TRUNKS
@@illiji915 oh God lmaoooo!
“Kiss my ass bitch I'm immortal”
-Krillin
Lmao
“He said one week I’m using it”
I feel like Turles and Cooler can come back to canon.
Turles can be a Saiyan scientist that was commonly mistaken for Bardock (a fun nod to Bardock’s scientist origin) who engineered a Saiyan fruit that boosted the user’s strength, but wasn’t powerful enough and was ridiculed for it. Have him be exiled or off-world like the others and he eventually perfected the fruit and became a pirate.
Cooler can just be Freiza’s brother or a member of his race, and act like a slightly better version. Make him cool and calm that opposes his brother for what he’s done, then kill him off and make metal cooler.
It's too late tho, frieza's character ark seems to be nearing it's end, a late brother introduction would be ehh. Cooler could maybe show up as a different universe's frieza race like frost. But he can't be in the main universe since cold and frieza were the strongest of their kind. Turles may be able to, but having broly already be that "hidden saiyan that escaped" only really works because paragus is trapped their with no tech. Turles as a scientist and even just normal saiyan would probably be to smart/healthy to just pop up now. Janemba as he is could work, slug too's weak (although a stronger universe namekian would be rad), android 13 could be fun filler, bojack also feels like a tad too late. With things like multiple universe now being a thing, a lot of these characters could be reworked and fleshed out better.
@@Lokisif34 they could have cooler get his revenge after black frieza is defeated, only that doesn't make sense because frieza has been dead for a very long time before rof so why wouldn't he get his revenge then
@@dankerbell Yeah exactly the issue. If he were to be a background threat frieza regaining the frieza force would make no sense, since cooler would just have taken over. Maybe you make cooler the younger brother? Where now frieza realizes the importance of allies so he goes to train his brother who while not having the same potential still gets up there.
i guess they could just not make cooler get revenge and have him and frieza team up
Those are great ideas, honestly. Maybe have Cooler be not as into the depravity stuff as King Cold or Frieza, so that's why he's not the favorite. But, he'll still feel obliged to avenge his family.
"Focusing on his studies like his mother always wanted."
It's a line I never knew I wanted to be delivered until hearing it myself.
I am trying to understand why people thought it would be the same Broly and not a new one
Bum
I always thought Trunks time traveling caused a rift in the timeline creating alternate realities in past present and future🤷♂️
It did and this is explained in Super but it still leaves plenty of holes.
Thought that also because DBM explained trunks actions n more detail because how can trunks return after cell killed him when he returned to the his timeline the first time.
“Our heroes have much bigger things to deal with than a comet”.
Now that was a swell line. Glad you put that in.
Can we talk about that amazing narration? I thought it was actually the narrator for the series.
The narrator sounds like The Act Man. That’s a compliment, that guys voice is smooth as hot butter.
I generally put these videos on audio only and just let them run while I do stuff. At one point I thought this was a recap of Buu's saga. Thanks for making this, great work!
Very nice analysis. The Dragon Ball movies are full of clusterf*cks for sure, lmao.
Regarding Tree of Might, Turles' squadron actually mention that if they cultivate enough energy with the tree, that Frieza wouldn't be an issue. Meaning that Frieza is still alive and either the gang went to Namek far earlier, or obviously, Piccolo didn't end up dying in the battle against the Saiyans. Goku could have just trained to increase his kaioken output, but given that Movie 4 happens in the same timeline, it doesn't make sense as to why they would go to Namek anyways.
Chuck without likes, how
Or they just didn't know Frieza was already dead. Regardless. the movies take place in a different universe. They can't happen. They messed up. But what would you expect from japanese writers anyways? They're like children.
The World's Strongest, Tree of Might, and Lord Slug came out at the height of the Namek Saga. It's more of a 'what-if' movie. What if Goku actually arrived on time to fight Vegeta and Nappa?
@@dingdong952 Japan is pretty based man
@@dingdong952 racism
The is some of the best content I’ve seen on UA-cam. The professional yet humour-filled commentary, the perfect choices of music. The editing is beautiful as to where it’s not overdone yet always grabs my attention just before my attention starts to lose focus. 10/10.
It’s really a shame that you’re channel has a small core audience with a few one hit wonders scattered across it’s lifespan. I know videos like these take a heck of a lot of time to make. Best of luck to you.
Agreed
Always the fucking same comment
Broly could be cannon. During the week highatus. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense but it's close
This is an amazing video! Great compiling, research, editing, and voice acting! Super rad ty!