You upload while I workout. But sorry dude....you are dead wrong on this one. The Fastbacks created poppunk. Directly influenced Bill Stevens. All those eps came out in 1980-81.... they were sugary sweet pop as hell. Might not have directly influenced Blink 182..... but none the less.
The Buzzcocks were Pop Punk back in 1977.. The Descendants were influenced by The Buzzcocks. The Descendants along with ALL are fantastic Punk bands that brought Pop Punk to the 1980's.
Hey finn, theres a UA-cam channel called trash theory that goes Into how pop punk became pop punk from proto punk to early 90s California He also used the same thumbnail
deathdealer13cat I know Finn tries to stay away from politics and race issues, but there’s no denying black peoples influence on rock, then punk and finally with bad brains basically creating hardcore punk. We wouldn’t have good music if it wasn’t for black people.
Descendents still hold up as one of the greatest pop punk bands of all time. I also think that Screeching Weasel played a huge role in shaping pop punk.
The Punk Rock MBA I disagree. The whole lookout records/ Gilman street scene that gave rise to Green Day is more influential than you think. You dismiss it as doing what the Ramones had already done but the Descendants weren’t doing anything the Buzzcocks hadn’t already done. I love the Descendants but I reject the premise you imply of saying one band invented the style. MTX, Queers, Weasel and a lot of bands from that era played a part of the sound evolving. To be dismissive of that era and just make the leap from the Descendants to Blink 182 and modern pop punk is pretty disingenuous.
It’s crazy how aware you are of not just music, but everything. You just get it dude. I think a lot of us see things that you talk about but we can’t really put it altogether in a conforming and coherent way, yet you can do that. Props to you for just getting it. I’m sure you’re a great listener too. Keep up the hard work.
Negative Zero I was just about to suggest that and rockaway beach but you beat me to it. They sound like they were trying to be The Beach Boys or the four seasons sometimes, so I definitely count them as pop punk.
I was thinking the same thing, but I think the difference is that the Ramones were trying to create a 50s/60s pastiche sound with punk instruments. I don't know if that can be the considered its own thing
Back in the day i used to say Descendents was obviously the major influence behind all the pop punk movement for the 90's and early 00's and people would quickly get mad at me, because you know Descendents is a 'classic punk band' how could they be the main influence behind such 'travesty' as a genre like pop punk? I still laugh about it to this day. Thanks for the amazing content as always Finn!
Punk rock was "pop" from the very beginning. Ramones. The Clash. Buzzcocks. The Undertones. The Boys. The Vibrators. Generation X. Awesome pop songs. "Baby, Baby", "London Girls", "Teenage Kicks", "Brickfield Nights", "What Do I Get?", "Have You Ever Fallen In Love". Years before Descendents.
Descendants are among one of my favorite punk bands. They were not trying to be militant or preachy as some of their contemporaries in the hardcore scene. Rather, they were just being themselves and musically, they're much more accessible. Another band, in my opinion that pioneered pop punk is Adolescents.
anton hexler Some of y’all might wonder, is this hardcore sarcasm? Lol, if only. But this is really how mindless Alex Jones-sounding (and consuming) Anglo-Saxon correct reactionary reich wing chuds sound like all over the internet. These poorly-educated, red pill-swallowing, “Jews will not replace us” paranoid alt reich chuds really think this way. They cry about PC and Sjws all the time cuz, while we are living in an era where being a white supremacist is okay again thanks to the chuds’ tangerine Fuhrer Humpty Trumpty and the likes of Boris, these snowflake reactionaries and incels can’t go around being MCP’s and bigots anymore without being called out, and that certainly wasn’t the case back in the good ol’ politically correct kkkonservative days. These unhinged troglodyte cons think they’re so edgy sounding like the broken records they are with their cutesy talking points and buzzwords it’s beyond hilarious.
If singing/screaming about real world issues and basically speaking truth to power was being peachy and militant, then bless this band’s contemporaries. If Descendants focused on lyrical content that wasn’t serious and was a reflection of who they were, then the same can be said about *most* of their contemporaries. Many Punk bands from basically day one were taking a stance against the system, but many hardcore bands came from a grittier place and a number of them wrote about harsh things that they themselves experienced. Why do u think the legendary Black Flag wrote anti-cop songs? Because they witnessed - and in some cases experienced - this real thing called police brutality. Why did the ultra politically charged Dead Kennedys write about, well, everything that would label them a political band? Because like many of their contemporaries, they cared about the depressing but very real shit that was happening in the world (mind you, the Dead Kennedys, Jello Biafra specifically, had a very unique way of expressing himself compared to other punk/hardcore lyricists, and he often said what he said with a twisted sense of humor). It’s easy to label everything from 80’s hardcore to the likes of RATM as preachy (and of course, hypocritical and projecting AF reich wing drumpf cultists that don’t ever like to be challenged write off these bands as preachy, pandering, PC, and whatever else they feel makes these totalitarian-loving reich wingers feel good about themselves.) But at the end of the day, just cause it was common for these not-so-lighthearted bands to rage against the system in the era of conservative heroes like Regan and Tatcher (labels aside, these two were just rotten people and others suffered due to their actions,) doesn’t mean they were any less real than the not-so-serious Descendants. Sure, as with any genre or scene, some bands tried too hard. Although the bottom line: many of these bands simply stood up for what’s GOOD, and that, my friend, was Punk AF. ;)
Bill was the brainchild of the band. All of their best songs are written by him. He said he wrote Clean Sheets without strumming around or taking any time. He had all of it in his head when he woke up. If you haven't, check out Filmage.
I was at an All show with Stacy Hilt around the time Coalesce was first formed. The first drummer was there with us and commented how bad a drummer Bill was. I told him you're a fucking idiot, Bill was the drummer of Black Flag, you can fuck off with that shit and I moved away from him. That was the last thing I ever said to him and introduced Stacy to James Dewees who totally replaced that dick bag.
It's so rare that someone can discuss music genres and break them down without sounding like a complete douche. Once again your killing it, awesome vid.
"I don't wanna grow up" was the blueprint for Blink's entire career. A New Found Glory too. Plus Milo made it cool for The Offspring and Weezer to go be scientists and rock out.
One of the greatest and oldest punks I know once said, "The Descendents are the Black Sabbath of pop-punk." He then took a pull off a bottle of Jack and passed out in his own bar, during an insanely loud show.
Been a fan of pop punk for half my life, and I've somehow never listened to The Descendants before this video. Thanks for the album recommendation at the end there, it's gonna help me get through this shift.
Dude, Finn is such a blessing to music fans. Not to completely ride his shlong, but the guy has so much knowledge and awareness of all of what I call "fringe music" aka punk, metal and all of the sub genres... it's incredible. I learn so damn much on almost every video. Finn doesn't know everything and he isn't the end all be all, but HE'LL TELL YOU THAT. It's the fact that he has such a well rounded view and understanding of how it all works together and how things came to be. Idk man, so happy I started watching his videos a year or two ago. [EDIT] I just saw the comment above me... either that is the funniest obvious troll comment I've seen in a while, or that is the cringiest unironic comment I've seen in a while. Either one takes the cake dude like wtf 😂
My all time favorite band! I'm from the South Bay, and the Descendents literally started down the street from me. Tony is a huge influence on my bass playing; down stroke 8th notes. I don't wanna grow up was my first tattoo as well!
The way Finn delivered who he thought started pop punk sounded like he already knew what band we were thinking of. If you’ve ever obsessed over a pop punk band and traced their influences- you’ve definitely ran into The Descendants at some point. I’m a HUGE blink182 fan and in so many interviews they mention The Descendants. Great vid as always Finn 🤘🏽
A lot of people will say it was the Ramones, but it was a different story for them cuz the whole punk sound was still getting discovered. The Descendants and Bad Religion were the first to actually take what was set in stone and add pop into it.
I absolutely agree. Milo Goes To College is what sparked all my interest in punk and inspired me to play punk and pop punk on my bass. If I hadn't come across them at a young age, I have no idea what my taste in music would be, but surely it wouldn't be what it is now
Huge props for calling out "Hope" and the like for being a bit iffy in their subject matter. I always loved The Descendants and grew up with them. When I got rejected by girls, I took a cue from these songs and assumed the victim role. This brought me no peace, but I don't think I could've understood that until I got older.
Yusssss I was waiting for a descendents video!! A lot of people forget how essential this band was for modern pop punk. Thank you for giving them some love on here 😊😊
Descendents were massively influenced by an L.A Punk / Post Punk band called The Alley Cats. If you listen to them to can hear so many Descendents vibes in the music it's unreal. Descendents are such a legendary band. Forever engraved in music history.
You got me into NOFX. I have to drive 8 hours today for work but I'm looking forward to it because I'm going to have Punk in Dublic cranked to 11 most of the way. TY!
I consider the Ramones to be the first pop-punk band, too. They thought their music wasn't any different than the Bay City Rollers or whatever. They were clearly wrong. But they were for sure trying to be a pop band. They also inspired the whole Screeching Weasel vein of pop punk, which also inspired Blink 182, etc.
@@6AM_YT absolutly ive seen them say in interviews they tried to be like he beach boys or somthing. dont quote me but i believe i heard that in a documentary
Thanks as always mate. Your analysis is great, your critical thought and evidenced based conclusions are spot on. Can't believe the amount of work you put into your vids. Appreciate being schooled on my favourite genre and music in general.
j rock d I’m saying bands like The Used in the early 2000s were obviously very influenced by Refused’s style. I didn’t say they ripped of the Refused....I’m just those bands are derived from the sound Refused created.
I really love this video, you made everything sound so clear, simple and obvious - I feel like I understand a lot more about earlier music that kinda sounds like pop-punk as well as the actual origins of pop punk :)
I'd say the Beach Boys honestly. They kind of set up that funky guitar sounds in pop punk, which the Ramones picked up and hit it out of the park. Then the Descendants and Joan Jett brought a bridge to the mainstream pop punk like Green Day and Blink.
I would love to see like a 45 minute video by you explaining the fundamental differences between all the rock genres and sub genres because I get lost sometimes when names of types of rock get thrown around lol.
I swear the way you describe the Descendants is how I always felt growing up poor and couldn't place it. Damn, I am so glad I found this channel. I don't even like most of the meta core stuff, but I always respect music and what you do is so important to understanding how music has evolved. I grew up loving crossover and eventually fell in love with rap, but the just listening to this channel really speaks to my coming of age music. 100%, I subscribed to pateon because of this video.
Love your content man. I'm glad there is someone in the culture who has been through each era of punk with a keen eye for specific obervations and who actually puts the effort into piecing together these documentary / essay styled videos!!!!
Fun fact listen to the guitar solo in “Circles” by Dag Nasty and the main guitar line in “Learn To Fly” by Foo Fighters. Ummm...it’s practically the same.
Yes! Now someone please help me with the specimen for "Big Me" by the Foo Fighters... I can't remember the title without the album in my hands... It's from the "I Don't Wanna Grow Up" album!!!
The thing that you said in 12:06 resonates with me a lot. Back in 2003-2005 I was one of the kids in high school who loved all these sub-culture stuffs but at the same time loved going to school. I just hated the notion “you’re not a punk if you don’t skip school”. Guess what? I thought if that doesn’t make me a punk, then I’ll let me be myself. I am forever grateful with the choice I made that time. Thank you for all the content and keep on going Finn! Love from Sabah, Malaysia!
My take: Ramones would be a pop-punk band by today's standards, but they are credited with being the first punk band. Descendants ABSOLUTELY laid the foundation for what would become pop-punk, but today are more along the lines of melodic hardcore. I've heard many testimonies crediting Green Day for solidifying pop-punk as it's own genre. Blink built on what Green Day created and perfected it. That's my two-cents.
Pierre-Louis Anceau MODERN, no. Classic, yes. Descendents are basically ramones 2.0. They both have the simplistic, upbeat, power chord-driven sound and sing about "sweet" stuff. Hardcore also descended from the Ramones but ramones are much more lax in contrast, which aligns them closer to the pop-punk subgenre. However, a vast number of testimonies solidify the simple fact that the ramones we're the first punk band so they can't be placed in a subgenre.
I absolutely loved this video. Cool personal retrospective on a band that helped shape a love of pop punk. Always interesting to see what helped shape someone's love of the genre.
By far the best thing about to the Descendents is that I can deeply relate to the lyrics at 30 at the same level but for entirely different reasons than I did at 13. Also the song Ace pretty much saved my life and to this day it helps me get through tough spots in my life.
I grew up in the grunge era and got into punk, specifically straight edge because of some of the things you mentioned like abuse and addiction. I didn’t get into it all the way because I too just wanted a normal life that didn’t involve fights or drug use. Thanks for a great video. Many good points specifically about the continued influence today.
The Ramones invented it. They admittedly were huge POP fans and intentionally tried writing their own POP songs. Blitzkrieg Bop written by Tommy was based on the Bay City Rollers SATURDAY Night chant. Judy is a Punk has the Herman's Hermits "second verse, same as the first" tag line. They covered Let's Dance - pure 60s pop. I Wanna Be Your Boyfriend & Listen To My Heart are angst ridden Shangri-Las. Many bands previous to The Ramones had dabbled in revved up rock and roll mixed with POP including The Dolls, The Stooges, MC5 and The Sonics way back in 1965, but The Ramones were the first to take that formula, simplify it and stick with it. The first three Ramones albums are primers on how to play punk & POP.
A bit like the analogy about Gen-X and the Ramones i guess along with the Buzzcocks, but from a UK perspective i feel like the Undertones had a small part to play in creating the pop-punk/powerpop sound.
This is a really great video! Always love watching everything you put out, man! I feel like half the bands that I now listen to incessantly I’ve heard of from your videos. I feel like you need to be enshrined in the National Archives with how much of this history and evolution of music you know. Keep it up, my dude!
( not just because of this video, but all of them) i wanted to thank you Finn! you’re videos are educational and nostalgic, people recognize that im “too young” to be a part or the ‘ hardcore scene ‘ but fail to notice my influence was a brother 10 years older than me. i get to relive and better understand the best parts of my life through these videos. thank you so much for you insight and words. i find new bands through you and remember some i may have forgotten, my all time favorite channel. 🤘🏼🤗
Love the Descendents. Whatever bands predate them still never had that perfect storm of all the exact elements that the 90s/2000s scene would be influenced by. Like if you take the term “pop punk” completely at face value then yeah the Ramones were doing poppy punk in the 70s, but if we’re talking about the Blink/Green Day/NFG/Sum 41 era that the term most commonly refers to, that all came very directly from the Descendents. I remember the first song of theirs I heard was “Clean Sheets”, and it blew my mind that it came out in 1987, that sound and attitude were such a big thing in the late 90s when I grew up that I had no idea anyone was doing all those classic pop punk tropes so much earlier.
I know some of the people who sudmitted footage for that movie. Rev norb even gets called by name as the camera man in one scene. Check out boris the sprinkler if u havent.
@@lofer9138 right now on the tubi app thats on most devices has it free. As well as the fat wreck. And salad days docs. And a bunch of other cool stuff related to punk and metal. The hr from bad brains doc is nuts.
@@lodoublet Cool, thanks! I didn't even realize that film existed, let alone that it's available to watch *right now* . I'm a Boris the Sprinkler fan, too, so it's cool that Rev norb is a small part of it.
This was a great vid. I first picked up on the Descendents as a Freshmen in HS back in 85 w Milo goes to College. I was sorta riding the hiphop wave that was kicking off, but their music just resonated. They were kids when lots of that early stuff was done and it was like they were talking to me. Whether it was Girl drama in my life, or I needed to let off steam there was always something in their discography I could toss on and get out whatever I needed to. I never stopped listening to them all throughout my life...and now at 51 still crank up their songs both old and new. I introduced my daughter ( now 17 ) to them in her early teens when she was mad at me. I played parents for her...and now they are one of her favorites. They are my ride or die for music!
Descendants had such a unique style then any of the pop punk bands of the late 90s early 2000s they were and are one of the raddest and underated punk bands.
What reinforces this is that Tom DeLonge, a definitive pop-punk guitarist talks about how influential Descendents and ALL were in his catchy, riffy playing style, in his "Pursuit of Tone" documentary
I always get a little taken aback when I realize the Descendants came out of the 80's, because yeah, it was a somewhat violent time for punk and here come the Descendents, looking like they stepped out of story-time suburbia to make their version of a punk band. And dammit, it worked!
The Descendents included Hardcore Speed Cheesey Punk Positive Pop all wrapped into one with a splash of 80's hair metal and progressive rock. One of my favorite bands of all time. Thank you Bill, Stephan, Milo for years of lifting me up when I felt down. ALL!
@@BDSbowling Hurtin Crue & Cameage are a couple that have that flair. Stephan Egerton used Chavel guitars and Mesa amps if i remember correctly and was a very under-rated guitarist.
Every time I hear about this band, I sometimes hear that “AMOEBA” lyric playing somewhere in my head. Edit: It was Adolescents that I was thinking about, not Descendents. Their names threw me off.
funny thing I actually got to see the adolescents at a festival but they weren't on the bill originally. sad I couldn't be there both days to catch descendents too
That got stuck in my head all the time due the copious amount of Tony Hawk I played back in the day and now it's gonna be stuck in my head for the next week or so, so thanks for that :P
I was doing some digging and I read that Buzzcocks (UK) actually popularized the term pop punk. Buzzcock was created in 1976 while Descendents was created in 1977. Buzzcocks make their sound pop punk because Tony Barber (bassist) joined the band after his old group broke up which was an electronic grouo. the 2 members of Buzzock needed a bassist, he said that his style of bass was more upbeat then traditional rock which made Buzzcock fused rock and electronic together
Hey Finn, I remembered that you mentioned that you'll make a crunkcore vid. When you do I felt compelled to tell (or maybe remind?) You about that weird sect of that scene that was like electronic, punk/pop rock? Think like old Cash Cash, Breathe Carolina, Palisades, Blood on the Dance Floor, Ghost Town and so on. Would be super interesting to learn more about that weird sect that gets so little coverage.
Love this video so much. So many interviews with pop punk bands bring Decensents up as influences. So of course I was thrilled so much of this video was on them. I was listening to The Vandals before this video and they're a good band to look at in the "came up in the beginning of pop punk" crowd too. Great video as always, Finn. Also seems people are more focused on your pants than they are on your hats now. 🤔
Descendents are like my favorite band! I agree they are the full on progenitors of pop punk. They started it and did it the best. I agree with someone who said what about the Dickies. And yes the Ramones. But Descendents encapsulated everything about pop punk. Regular guys, no schtick or costumes, just t shirts and jeans or shorts, kinda nerdy, singing about girls, heartbreak, farts, food and fun. Didnt do drugs, only drank bonus cups! No politics, not too serious, but they did some songs like M16 and Bikeage which were more serious. BTW, Green Day another band hugely influenced by them. And NoFX another band that influenced the pop punk scene.
Cracking video Finn bought back loads of memories I can remember when I first heard the descendants back in the mid eighties and I 100% get where your coming from. It’s videos like these why I subscribed to the channel keep up the good work! If off to dust down the vinyl and listen to the original pop punk.
I remember when the "tr00" pop punk bands were popping up in 2013-2015 defend pop punk Era a lot of the same kids getting into real friends, knuckle puck and the like started repping the get up kids pretty hard. I could always be wrong, but I feel like those bands were getting the shoutey vocals from Midwest emo rather than husker du.
@@briankerrigan3529 But did it? None of the djent bands have been nearly as commercially successful - metalcore bands just started playing generic djent riffs
Absolutely has nothing to do with this video or punk in general. However I am aware that Finns audience is pretty eclectic and felt the need to continue spreading the word about this wonderful band.
This is so fucking validating. I've been doing a big expansive Pop Punk study trying to trace the roots of the genre and I came to the conclusion that it mostly comes from Descendents. They sound so exactly like the massive boom of Pop Punk in the mid-90s that I grew up hearing, it blew me away. I had only ever heard Sublime's cover of Hope prior to diving into them, but they (along with All) have quickly become one of my favorite Punk bands if not my favorite. Really sad it took me so long into my life to find them.
Interesting that they would choose to call themselves The Descendants, when really they're The Ancestors, and every pop-punk band to come after is a descendant of them.
Dude I’m constantly arguing with people about this the amount of elitists I’ve argued with that say these guys aren’t pop punk is mad I guess technically they’re not but their with out a doubt one of its biggest pioneers
Honestly to me they're not that cringe, it's very real emotions you go through after a breakup. I don't think its a victim mentality, i think its describing feelings you go through after an abusive relationship. The ALL (All is descendents with a different singer for those who don't know) song "Scary Sad" is a good example of the type of scenarios those describe. if you watch Filmage, the kinda explain that at that time there was a lot of really bad relationships going on.
Surprised The Undertones werent mentioned: super poppy and catchy, a skilled melodic singer who became a mainstream pop star for a while, lyrics about girls and chocolate bars, decidely nonpunk image
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But sorry dude....you are dead wrong on this one.
The Fastbacks created poppunk. Directly influenced Bill Stevens.
All those eps came out in 1980-81.... they were sugary sweet pop as hell.
Might not have directly influenced Blink 182..... but none the less.
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Hey Finn McDjenty!! Love you stuff dude! Can you do a video on positive hardcore? Gorilla Biscuits, H2O, etc?
The Buzzcocks were Pop Punk back in 1977.. The Descendants were influenced by The Buzzcocks. The Descendants along with ALL are fantastic Punk bands that brought Pop Punk to the 1980's.
Hey finn, theres a UA-cam channel called trash theory that goes Into how pop punk became pop punk from proto punk to early 90s California
He also used the same thumbnail
dude. as a black punk fan I'd love to see u do an episode about Bad Brains
deathdealer13cat I know Finn tries to stay away from politics and race issues, but there’s no denying black peoples influence on rock, then punk and finally with bad brains basically creating hardcore punk. We wouldn’t have good music if it wasn’t for black people.
@@MarvLinares cough black flag
Include Death please.
@@MarvLinares Or Middle Class. But the Bad Brains were amazing, regardless of race.
@@6AM_YT that too, both of your points. Weren't the first but one of the best
Milo goes to college and everything sucks are 2 of my all time favorite records. Can literally play them anytime and I'm happy.
I was a freshman in hs. I went to a sold out punk show and saw them in the reunion tour. Swingging udders and bouncing sould opened. Was epic. 1996
@@lodoublet I too saw them that year as a freshman in hs. But they played with suicide machines. Love me some bouncing souls as well.
@@nicepocket we're old lol. .. I was in green bay wi. ... Sidenote i tear up when i hear "when i get old" nowdays.
@@lodoublet but do you still hop on your bike and ride around town...
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Descendents still hold up as one of the greatest pop punk bands of all time. I also think that Screeching Weasel played a huge role in shaping pop punk.
Along with Buzzcocks
@@kotanovakota definitely
Oh yeah, Screeching Weasel, The Queers and that crowd helped too, especially for the more silly and sophomoric side of things.
They had a far smaller impact tho and didnt add much that the ramones hadnt already done
The Punk Rock MBA I disagree. The whole lookout records/ Gilman street scene that gave rise to Green Day is more influential than you think. You dismiss it as doing what the Ramones had already done but the Descendants weren’t doing anything the Buzzcocks hadn’t already done. I love the Descendants but I reject the premise you imply of saying one band invented the style. MTX, Queers, Weasel and a lot of bands from that era played a part of the sound evolving. To be dismissive of that era and just make the leap from the Descendants to Blink 182 and modern pop punk is pretty disingenuous.
It’s crazy how aware you are of not just music, but everything. You just get it dude. I think a lot of us see things that you talk about but we can’t really put it altogether in a conforming and coherent way, yet you can do that. Props to you for just getting it. I’m sure you’re a great listener too. Keep up the hard work.
Thank you!
Yes perfectly said
Described it perfectly while giving him an amazing compliment.
My mind auto-corrects your name. Thought I'd share. This is a fun channel, though.
Not all music genres.
I think the Ramones helped to because of songs like i wanna be your boyfriend and stuff like that
For sure
Ramones-core is the original pop punk.
Negative Zero I was just about to suggest that and rockaway beach but you beat me to it. They sound like they were trying to be The Beach Boys or the four seasons sometimes, so I definitely count them as pop punk.
I was thinking the same thing, but I think the difference is that the Ramones were trying to create a 50s/60s pastiche sound with punk instruments. I don't know if that can be the considered its own thing
Check out The Fastbacks. The ORIGINAL pop punk band.
Also check out The Jam "In The City"... older and more pop punk. Part of the 1977 wave.
Back in the day i used to say Descendents was obviously the major influence behind all the pop punk movement for the 90's and early 00's and people would quickly get mad at me, because you know Descendents is a 'classic punk band' how could they be the main influence behind such 'travesty' as a genre like pop punk? I still laugh about it to this day. Thanks for the amazing content as always Finn!
Punk rock was "pop" from the very beginning. Ramones. The Clash. Buzzcocks. The Undertones. The Boys. The Vibrators. Generation X. Awesome pop songs. "Baby, Baby", "London Girls", "Teenage Kicks", "Brickfield Nights", "What Do I Get?", "Have You Ever Fallen In Love". Years before Descendents.
Descendants are among one of my favorite punk bands. They were not trying to be militant or preachy as some of their contemporaries in the hardcore scene. Rather, they were just being themselves and musically, they're much more accessible. Another band, in my opinion that pioneered pop punk is Adolescents.
Yes adolescents for sure
@anton hexler ok
anton hexler Some of y’all might wonder, is this hardcore sarcasm? Lol, if only. But this is really how mindless Alex Jones-sounding (and consuming) Anglo-Saxon correct reactionary reich wing chuds sound like all over the internet. These poorly-educated, red pill-swallowing, “Jews will not replace us” paranoid alt reich chuds really think this way. They cry about PC and Sjws all the time cuz, while we are living in an era where being a white supremacist is okay again thanks to the chuds’ tangerine Fuhrer Humpty Trumpty and the likes of Boris, these snowflake reactionaries and incels can’t go around being MCP’s and bigots anymore without being called out, and that certainly wasn’t the case back in the good ol’ politically correct kkkonservative days. These unhinged troglodyte cons think they’re so edgy sounding like the broken records they are with their cutesy talking points and buzzwords it’s beyond hilarious.
If singing/screaming about real world issues and basically speaking truth to power was being peachy and militant, then bless this band’s contemporaries. If Descendants focused on lyrical content that wasn’t serious and was a reflection of who they were, then the same can be said about *most* of their contemporaries. Many Punk bands from basically day one were taking a stance against the system, but many hardcore bands came from a grittier place and a number of them wrote
about harsh things that they themselves experienced.
Why do u think the legendary Black Flag wrote anti-cop songs? Because they witnessed - and in some cases experienced - this real thing called police brutality. Why did the ultra politically charged Dead Kennedys write about, well, everything that would label them a political band? Because like many of their contemporaries, they cared about the depressing but very real shit that was happening in the world (mind you, the Dead Kennedys, Jello Biafra specifically, had a very unique way of expressing himself compared to other punk/hardcore lyricists, and he often said what he said with a twisted sense of humor). It’s easy to label everything from 80’s hardcore to the likes of RATM as preachy (and of course, hypocritical and projecting AF reich wing drumpf cultists that don’t ever like to be challenged write off these bands as preachy, pandering, PC, and whatever else they feel makes these totalitarian-loving reich wingers feel good about themselves.) But at the end of the day, just cause it was common for these not-so-lighthearted bands to rage against the system in the era of conservative heroes like Regan and Tatcher (labels aside, these two were just rotten people and others suffered due to their actions,) doesn’t mean they were any less real than the not-so-serious Descendants. Sure, as with any genre or scene, some bands tried too hard. Although the bottom line: many of these bands simply stood up for what’s GOOD, and that, my friend, was Punk AF. ;)
anton hexler P.S.
NAZI PUNKS FUCK OFF!
Descendents rule, but can we talk about how good of a drummer Bill Stevenson is? Phenomenal. 10/10 best punk drummer.
I wish blink followed through with recording with him.
Bill was the brainchild of the band. All of their best songs are written by him. He said he wrote Clean Sheets without strumming around or taking any time. He had all of it in his head when he woke up.
If you haven't, check out Filmage.
Yeah, true that. How bout Tony Lombardo's bass lines? Really the whole rhythm section was on fire.
A super group lead by a drummer that no one outside the community knows about truly the best any punk band couldve hoped to do
I was at an All show with Stacy Hilt around the time Coalesce was first formed. The first drummer was there with us and commented how bad a drummer Bill was. I told him you're a fucking idiot, Bill was the drummer of Black Flag, you can fuck off with that shit and I moved away from him. That was the last thing I ever said to him and introduced Stacy to James Dewees who totally replaced that dick bag.
It's so rare that someone can discuss music genres and break them down without sounding like a complete douche. Once again your killing it, awesome vid.
Thank you!
"I don't wanna grow up" was the blueprint for Blink's entire career. A New Found Glory too. Plus Milo made it cool for The Offspring and Weezer to go be scientists and rock out.
One of the greatest and oldest punks I know once said, "The Descendents are the Black Sabbath of pop-punk." He then took a pull off a bottle of Jack and passed out in his own bar, during an insanely loud show.
sounds like the goat..
Been a fan of pop punk for half my life, and I've somehow never listened to The Descendants before this video. Thanks for the album recommendation at the end there, it's gonna help me get through this shift.
Me be like: my day will come and i will be the only one
I love the dead milkmen those guys need more love. Just listen to surfing cow. Or any of their songs really..
Ben Pyle I am 100% with you!!!
God Bless this channel for introducing me to bands I would have never heard before because none of my friends like this music lol
Follow him on Spotify he usually makes playlist of the bands he talks about on each video
Dude, Finn is such a blessing to music fans. Not to completely ride his shlong, but the guy has so much knowledge and awareness of all of what I call "fringe music" aka punk, metal and all of the sub genres... it's incredible. I learn so damn much on almost every video. Finn doesn't know everything and he isn't the end all be all, but HE'LL TELL YOU THAT. It's the fact that he has such a well rounded view and understanding of how it all works together and how things came to be. Idk man, so happy I started watching his videos a year or two ago.
[EDIT] I just saw the comment above me... either that is the funniest obvious troll comment I've seen in a while, or that is the cringiest unironic comment I've seen in a while. Either one takes the cake dude like wtf 😂
My all time favorite band! I'm from the South Bay, and the Descendents literally started down the street from me. Tony is a huge influence on my bass playing; down stroke 8th notes. I don't wanna grow up was my first tattoo as well!
Clean Sheets is one of the greatest songs ever, that chorus is undeniable
Yes, it is. And sooo are yoou!
nice
Feckin right it is
The way Finn delivered who he thought started pop punk sounded like he already knew what band we were thinking of. If you’ve ever obsessed over a pop punk band and traced their influences- you’ve definitely ran into The Descendants at some point. I’m a HUGE blink182 fan and in so many interviews they mention The Descendants. Great vid as always Finn 🤘🏽
deanathan YESSS blink-182 got me into the Descendents and now I love them
My kid listens to this when I watch em and finds himself new bands lol. He is completely obsessed with punk, emo and metalcore
My mom told me she used to listen to punk when I was in her stomach and I've liked the music ever since for the most part.
@@urphakeandgey6308 ❤️ my son has been like that too lol I put an earbud in my belly button for him 😂
A lot of people will say it was the Ramones, but it was a different story for them cuz the whole punk sound was still getting discovered. The Descendants and Bad Religion were the first to actually take what was set in stone and add pop into it.
I absolutely agree. Milo Goes To College is what sparked all my interest in punk and inspired me to play punk and pop punk on my bass. If I hadn't come across them at a young age, I have no idea what my taste in music would be, but surely it wouldn't be what it is now
I love the Descendents but have never heard Pep Talk before. It's exactly what I need to hear right now. Thanks Finn.
Huge props for calling out "Hope" and the like for being a bit iffy in their subject matter. I always loved The Descendants and grew up with them. When I got rejected by girls, I took a cue from these songs and assumed the victim role. This brought me no peace, but I don't think I could've understood that until I got older.
Yusssss I was waiting for a descendents video!! A lot of people forget how essential this band was for modern pop punk. Thank you for giving them some love on here 😊😊
Descendents were massively influenced by an L.A Punk / Post Punk band called The Alley Cats. If you listen to them to can hear so many Descendents vibes in the music it's unreal.
Descendents are such a legendary band. Forever engraved in music history.
Bro I love your channel. Been listening to punk for 20 years now and every time I watch one of your videos I always discover a new favorite band.
Honorable mention to Minutemen, Mike Watt made incredible 'pop-punk' basslines.
You got me into NOFX. I have to drive 8 hours today for work but I'm looking forward to it because I'm going to have Punk in Dublic cranked to 11 most of the way. TY!
Thomas Uniat so long and thanks for all the shoes is a great one too
I heard they suck live
The Ramones were the progenators of pop punk and punk in general
The roots of punk existed long before the Ramones.
Luke Robinett was right and it was mentioned in the video if you were paying attention to it ...
Luke Robinett kick out the jams by mc5 1969
I consider the Ramones to be the first pop-punk band, too. They thought their music wasn't any different than the Bay City Rollers or whatever. They were clearly wrong. But they were for sure trying to be a pop band. They also inspired the whole Screeching Weasel vein of pop punk, which also inspired Blink 182, etc.
@@6AM_YT absolutly ive seen them say in interviews they tried to be like he beach boys or somthing. dont quote me but i believe i heard that in a documentary
Thanks as always mate. Your analysis is great, your critical thought and evidenced based conclusions are spot on. Can't believe the amount of work you put into your vids. Appreciate being schooled on my favourite genre and music in general.
You should do a video on The Shape Of Punk To Come and how that literally gave way to all the bands of the early 2000s like The Used and others
OMFG Refused? Yes please.
Way overrated by people who don't know anything
@@sideshowbob6416 What other bands did have that kind of sound in the 90s tho?
Maybe i just havent heard that album in forever but idk how The Used was that close to Refused
j rock d I’m saying bands like The Used in the early 2000s were obviously very influenced by Refused’s style. I didn’t say they ripped of the Refused....I’m just those bands are derived from the sound Refused created.
I really love this video, you made everything sound so clear, simple and obvious - I feel like I understand a lot more about earlier music that kinda sounds like pop-punk as well as the actual origins of pop punk :)
Love me some Hüsker Du !! And even more so, Bob Mould’s solo stuff and Sugar !!
Dont listen to this bird...husker were pioneers...mould & Hart were the best
I'd say the Beach Boys honestly. They kind of set up that funky guitar sounds in pop punk, which the Ramones picked up and hit it out of the park. Then the Descendants and Joan Jett brought a bridge to the mainstream pop punk like Green Day and Blink.
I would love to see like a 45 minute video by you explaining the fundamental differences between all the rock genres and sub genres because I get lost sometimes when names of types of rock get thrown around lol.
I would love to see this, too.
Me 3
I swear the way you describe the Descendants is how I always felt growing up poor and couldn't place it. Damn, I am so glad I found this channel. I don't even like most of the meta core stuff, but I always respect music and what you do is so important to understanding how music has evolved. I grew up loving crossover and eventually fell in love with rap, but the just listening to this channel really speaks to my coming of age music. 100%, I subscribed to pateon because of this video.
Thanks man, appreciate it!
3:12 can’t lie, thought you were going to play “Want you bad” by The Offspring
pix8175 its pretty similar yes
Yeah, that's dead on
SAME lol
That cadence is pretty common
Love your content man. I'm glad there is someone in the culture who has been through each era of punk with a keen eye for specific obervations and who actually puts the effort into piecing together these documentary / essay styled videos!!!!
Fun fact listen to the guitar solo in “Circles” by Dag Nasty and the main guitar line in “Learn To Fly” by Foo Fighters.
Ummm...it’s practically the same.
Yes! Now someone please help me with the specimen for "Big Me" by the Foo Fighters... I can't remember the title without the album in my hands... It's from the "I Don't Wanna Grow Up" album!!!
It’s weird cause circles is the name of a sunny day song and sunny day went on to become the foo fighters
@@maxonmendel5757 sunny days didn't become foo, the bassist from sunny day just went on to be in foo.
@@joeyrogerson83 Wasn't it the rhythm section duo of SDRE that was in the first Foo Fighters lineup?
The thing that you said in 12:06 resonates with me a lot. Back in 2003-2005 I was one of the kids in high school who loved all these sub-culture stuffs but at the same time loved going to school. I just hated the notion “you’re not a punk if you don’t skip school”. Guess what? I thought if that doesn’t make me a punk, then I’ll let me be myself. I am forever grateful with the choice I made that time.
Thank you for all the content and keep on going Finn! Love from Sabah, Malaysia!
My take: Ramones would be a pop-punk band by today's standards, but they are credited with being the first punk band. Descendants ABSOLUTELY laid the foundation for what would become pop-punk, but today are more along the lines of melodic hardcore. I've heard many testimonies crediting Green Day for solidifying pop-punk as it's own genre. Blink built on what Green Day created and perfected it. That's my two-cents.
the ramones sounds nothing like modern pop punk while many modern pop punk bands sound like the descendants and sing about the same things
Pierre-Louis Anceau MODERN, no. Classic, yes. Descendents are basically ramones 2.0. They both have the simplistic, upbeat, power chord-driven sound and sing about "sweet" stuff. Hardcore also descended from the Ramones but ramones are much more lax in contrast, which aligns them closer to the pop-punk subgenre. However, a vast number of testimonies solidify the simple fact that the ramones we're the first punk band so they can't be placed in a subgenre.
I absolutely loved this video. Cool personal retrospective on a band that helped shape a love of pop punk. Always interesting to see what helped shape someone's love of the genre.
By far the best thing about to the Descendents is that I can deeply relate to the lyrics at 30 at the same level but for entirely different reasons than I did at 13. Also the song Ace pretty much saved my life and to this day it helps me get through tough spots in my life.
I grew up in the grunge era and got into punk, specifically straight edge because of some of the things you mentioned like abuse and addiction. I didn’t get into it all the way because I too just wanted a normal life that didn’t involve fights or drug use. Thanks for a great video. Many good points specifically about the continued influence today.
Descendents are one of my favorites, never clicked so fast
The Ramones invented it. They admittedly were huge POP fans and intentionally tried writing their own POP songs. Blitzkrieg Bop written by Tommy was based on the Bay City Rollers SATURDAY Night chant. Judy is a Punk has the Herman's Hermits "second verse, same as the first" tag line. They covered Let's Dance - pure 60s pop. I Wanna Be Your Boyfriend & Listen To My Heart are angst ridden Shangri-Las. Many bands previous to The Ramones had dabbled in revved up rock and roll mixed with POP including The Dolls, The Stooges, MC5 and The Sonics way back in 1965, but The Ramones were the first to take that formula, simplify it and stick with it. The first three Ramones albums are primers on how to play punk & POP.
A bit like the analogy about Gen-X and the Ramones i guess along with the Buzzcocks, but from a UK perspective i feel like the Undertones had a small part to play in creating the pop-punk/powerpop sound.
More than small part.
This is a really great video! Always love watching everything you put out, man! I feel like half the bands that I now listen to incessantly I’ve heard of from your videos. I feel like you need to be enshrined in the National Archives with how much of this history and evolution of music you know. Keep it up, my dude!
I love your videos!! Thanks
( not just because of this video, but all of them) i wanted to thank you Finn! you’re videos are educational and nostalgic, people recognize that im “too young” to be a part or the ‘ hardcore scene ‘ but fail to notice my influence was a brother 10 years older than me. i get to relive and better understand the best parts of my life through these videos. thank you so much for you insight and words. i find new bands through you and remember some i may have forgotten, my all time favorite channel. 🤘🏼🤗
*your.. i always make an error. how punk of me... bahahha
Thank you, much appreciated!
Agent Orange is another good band that i think helped start the pop punk scene, but i agree the descendents were a big influence on the scene
Love the Descendents. Whatever bands predate them still never had that perfect storm of all the exact elements that the 90s/2000s scene would be influenced by.
Like if you take the term “pop punk” completely at face value then yeah the Ramones were doing poppy punk in the 70s, but if we’re talking about the Blink/Green Day/NFG/Sum 41 era that the term most commonly refers to, that all came very directly from the Descendents.
I remember the first song of theirs I heard was “Clean Sheets”, and it blew my mind that it came out in 1987, that sound and attitude were such a big thing in the late 90s when I grew up that I had no idea anyone was doing all those classic pop punk tropes so much earlier.
Hey their movie FILMAGE is one of the best rock documentaries out there
I know some of the people who sudmitted footage for that movie. Rev norb even gets called by name as the camera man in one scene. Check out boris the sprinkler if u havent.
Leo I wanna watch it but idk where I can
@@lofer9138 right now on the tubi app thats on most devices has it free. As well as the fat wreck. And salad days docs. And a bunch of other cool stuff related to punk and metal. The hr from bad brains doc is nuts.
I went to the premiere in Fort Collins got to see ALL with Chad & Scott
@@lodoublet Cool, thanks! I didn't even realize that film existed, let alone that it's available to watch *right now* . I'm a Boris the Sprinkler fan, too, so it's cool that Rev norb is a small part of it.
The Undertones were the godfathers of pop punk they also did songs mostly centered around teenage topics.
Did you create a spotify playlist for this video??
This was a great vid. I first picked up on the Descendents as a Freshmen in HS back in 85 w Milo goes to College. I was sorta riding the hiphop wave that was kicking off, but their music just resonated. They were kids when lots of that early stuff was done and it was like they were talking to me. Whether it was Girl drama in my life, or I needed to let off steam there was always something in their discography I could toss on and get out whatever I needed to. I never stopped listening to them all throughout my life...and now at 51 still crank up their songs both old and new. I introduced my daughter ( now 17 ) to them in her early teens when she was mad at me. I played parents for her...and now they are one of her favorites. They are my ride or die for music!
Descendants had such a unique style then any of the pop punk bands of the late 90s early 2000s they were and are one of the raddest and underated punk bands.
What reinforces this is that Tom DeLonge, a definitive pop-punk guitarist talks about how influential Descendents and ALL were in his catchy, riffy playing style, in his "Pursuit of Tone" documentary
My friend refers to I’m The One as “incel punk”
That's gold 😂
"Hope" is somehow even worse!
Can't argue with the truth
That’s funny hahah
It's all "friend zone" music.
Probably your best one yet Finn. Killed it my man.
Thank you!
The original "I love a girl that loves someone else" emo band. But Jesus I love them!
Imma guess that there have been "I want his girlfriend to be my girlfriend" songs for thousands of years.
I always get a little taken aback when I realize the Descendants came out of the 80's, because yeah, it was a somewhat violent time for punk and here come the Descendents, looking like they stepped out of story-time suburbia to make their version of a punk band. And dammit, it worked!
I'm off to listen to Zen Arcade.... what an album that is. Never look back.
Im more partial to New Day Rising cuz the songwriting gets switched off between the members and it sounds like a proto 90s college rock Queen to me
Just listened to it yesterday. Also The Replacements, Let it Be.
HUSKER DU is too underrated. "It's Not Funny Anymore" was one of the first hardcore/punk songs I ever heard back on 1985.
Nailed it. Definitely... I can't think of anyone else who would take the spot
One of my favorite bands ever 40 yrs old and I'm not a loser still makes me wanna mosh while cheer will always remind me of being a love sick teenager
I think the Dickies are being overlooked. They precede the Descendents.
buzzcocks
@@Backlashed bingooo
Absolutely Buzzcocks!
Agreed about the Dickies!
The Damned
The Descendents included Hardcore Speed Cheesey Punk Positive Pop all wrapped into one with a splash of 80's hair metal and progressive rock. One of my favorite bands of all time. Thank you Bill, Stephan, Milo for years of lifting me up when I felt down. ALL!
Which of their songs have more a splash of hair metal? I love that kind of sound 😅
@@BDSbowling Hurtin Crue & Cameage are a couple that have that flair. Stephan Egerton used Chavel guitars and Mesa amps if i remember correctly and was a very under-rated guitarist.
Every time I hear about this band, I sometimes hear that “AMOEBA” lyric playing somewhere in my head.
Edit: It was Adolescents that I was thinking about, not Descendents. Their names threw me off.
you not thinking of adolescents nah?
Sam Houston Oh, I got mixed up. Their names threw me in a loop.
Glad to know im not the only one that makes that mistake lol
funny thing I actually got to see the adolescents at a festival but they weren't on the bill originally. sad I couldn't be there both days to catch descendents too
That got stuck in my head all the time due the copious amount of Tony Hawk I played back in the day and now it's gonna be stuck in my head for the next week or so, so thanks for that :P
I was doing some digging and I read that Buzzcocks (UK) actually popularized the term pop punk. Buzzcock was created in 1976 while Descendents was created in 1977. Buzzcocks make their sound pop punk because Tony Barber (bassist) joined the band after his old group broke up which was an electronic grouo. the 2 members of Buzzock needed a bassist, he said that his style of bass was more upbeat then traditional rock which made Buzzcock fused rock and electronic together
Hey Finn, I remembered that you mentioned that you'll make a crunkcore vid. When you do I felt compelled to tell (or maybe remind?) You about that weird sect of that scene that was like electronic, punk/pop rock? Think like old Cash Cash, Breathe Carolina, Palisades, Blood on the Dance Floor, Ghost Town and so on. Would be super interesting to learn more about that weird sect that gets so little coverage.
Love this video so much. So many interviews with pop punk bands bring Decensents up as influences. So of course I was thrilled so much of this video was on them. I was listening to The Vandals before this video and they're a good band to look at in the "came up in the beginning of pop punk" crowd too.
Great video as always, Finn. Also seems people are more focused on your pants than they are on your hats now. 🤔
Descendents are like my favorite band! I agree they are the full on progenitors of pop punk. They started it and did it the best. I agree with someone who said what about the Dickies. And yes the Ramones. But Descendents encapsulated everything about pop punk. Regular guys, no schtick or costumes, just t shirts and jeans or shorts, kinda nerdy, singing about girls, heartbreak, farts, food and fun. Didnt do drugs, only drank bonus cups! No politics, not too serious, but they did some songs like M16 and Bikeage which were more serious. BTW, Green Day another band hugely influenced by them. And NoFX another band that influenced the pop punk scene.
Cracking video Finn bought back loads of memories I can remember when I first heard the descendants back in the mid eighties and I 100% get where your coming from. It’s videos like these why I subscribed to the channel keep up the good work! If off to dust down the vinyl and listen to the original pop punk.
Love me some Descendents. And you threw Dag Nasty in there! Still really want you to go down the rabbit hole in a video for melodic hardcore :)
Yes like down by law,face to face,ten foot pole just too mention a few
I have been waiting and ready for this!!! Yes!
I remember when the "tr00" pop punk bands were popping up in 2013-2015 defend pop punk Era a lot of the same kids getting into real friends, knuckle puck and the like started repping the get up kids pretty hard. I could always be wrong, but I feel like those bands were getting the shoutey vocals from Midwest emo rather than husker du.
Yeah probably so - but i am certain GUK were into husker du
The Punk Rock MBA , is it possible you could do a video about how prog took over after metalcore as the next big thing?
@@briankerrigan3529 But did it? None of the djent bands have been nearly as commercially successful - metalcore bands just started playing generic djent riffs
The Punk Rock MBA , true. But I mean like BTBAM, Opeth, Gojira, Tesseract, Teramaze, Believer, etc. Hoping I am onto something there.
Maybe! Those bands are like 20 years old tho
one of the most underrated band in the influence category. great video
Check out:
IDLE HANDS - MANA
Although it has nothing to do with this video, it's one of the best albums of the year. Hands down.
Real moody gothic metal.
it has nothing to do with punk but agree! that one is the best album of the year imo
Absolutely has nothing to do with this video or punk in general. However I am aware that Finns audience is pretty eclectic and felt the need to continue spreading the word about this wonderful band.
that album is basically The Sisters of Mercy + Iron Maiden and I'm here for it tbh
This is so fucking validating. I've been doing a big expansive Pop Punk study trying to trace the roots of the genre and I came to the conclusion that it mostly comes from Descendents. They sound so exactly like the massive boom of Pop Punk in the mid-90s that I grew up hearing, it blew me away. I had only ever heard Sublime's cover of Hope prior to diving into them, but they (along with All) have quickly become one of my favorite Punk bands if not my favorite. Really sad it took me so long into my life to find them.
This video gets really humorous when, at the right angle, you can pretend Finn’s hat is actually him with an old school afro hi-flattop 🤣
The Queers and Screeching Weasel were the bands that got me into this genre
Interesting that they would choose to call themselves The Descendants, when really they're The Ancestors, and every pop-punk band to come after is a descendant of them.
The dead milkmen definitely come to mind a bit too!! Grateful for your thoughtful content 🖤
“How lil Tracy changed pop punk”
*ruined
Tracy is 🔥
@Danny Dircio Don't be a dinosaur
I think he’s cool.
Im glad im not the only one that likes lil tracy. And im 37 lol
Bruhh you're videos are always the best. Thank you for all the dope content!
This literally just made me wanna listen to New Found Glory so badly and I never thought I'd say that again. Hmm...
yes, pop punk was born in the USA since 1982. (Milo Goes To College Album)
As far as pop punk is concerned I'd recommend Descendents to a casual fan of punk and to those who appreciate more raw vocals, Screeching Weasel.
On point with this video for sure, and great job on the video editing. I love all the old school footage, I’m sure that’s hard to find!
Always thought about Cheap Trick, as pre-Pop Punk vibe :)
The pop in pop punk is arguably from power pop, so you're spot on
Just checked out the Descendents because of this video and I’m glad to have discovered them at this point in my life, thank you finn
Dude I’m constantly arguing with people about this the amount of elitists I’ve argued with that say these guys aren’t pop punk is mad I guess technically they’re not but their with out a doubt one of its biggest pioneers
That infamous Pervert Descendants song was on GTA 5 LOL. I was like WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS????!!!!!
Check out the Trash theory 2-part series on the history of pop punk. Lots of interesting stuff and great music in that!
Every video you do is facinating and always introduces me to one new song or band I wasn’t aware of, keep it up
“Hope” and “I’m the one” are great but yeah kind of cringe lyrics but they slap! Lol
Cringe for sure but "Hope" has totally got me through a couple breakups.
Honestly to me they're not that cringe, it's very real emotions you go through after a breakup. I don't think its a victim mentality, i think its describing feelings you go through after an abusive relationship. The ALL (All is descendents with a different singer for those who don't know) song "Scary Sad" is a good example of the type of scenarios those describe. if you watch Filmage, the kinda explain that at that time there was a lot of really bad relationships going on.
It's only cringe when you forgot what it's like to be a teenager or actively try to distance yourself from it
@@hubblebublumbubwub5215 I dunno it resonated with me a lot when i was 27 too.
They kinda seem cringey on purpose, to me at least
Surprised The Undertones werent mentioned: super poppy and catchy, a skilled melodic singer who became a mainstream pop star for a while, lyrics about girls and chocolate bars, decidely nonpunk image
TIL- Travis Barker's Can I Say tattoo was a Dag Nasty Album. Thanks Finn.
Okay! this definitely one of my favorite videos by you Finn.