I never woulda thought you were a d.i. fan lol. It's funny they don't get mentioned more , they were one of the few bands from that era that never really broke up. Rikk Agnew's 1st album is also a classic.
Finn can talk at length about punk, metalcore, Walmart country, post-grunge, modern rap, nu metal, top 40 pop, and a ton of other subgenres of music and the cultures associated with them. Props for being so well rounded, I appreciate the objective and subjective analysis
And still make it cohesive material! I appreciate the fact that Finn can make all these genres histories interesting and not stray from the identity of the channel. Great content as always.
Danzig was the Misfits. He wrote all the songs, all the music, all the lyrics, he had all the ideas. He even recorded a lot of the guitars on the compilation albums. That's why none of the other versions of the Misfits were anything like the real Misfits. And if you think the Graves stuff is bad, check the Jerry years, truly awful. Danzig's follow up to the Misfits, Samhain is also excellent, but it does stray further from punk.
@@5amplewhor3 The Stooges are more like the Blue Cheer or Iron Butterfly of punk. As they were proto-metal where Sabbath was metal, the Stooges were proto-punk and the Ramones were punk
It’s important to mention the Ramones because everyone thinks they’ve heard the Ramones, but they haven’t. They’ve heard Blitzkrieg Bop and I Wanna Be Sedated, but they’re so much more than those two songs. They have so many amazing catchy and fun songs, I have no idea why they’re not bigger in the main stream.
@@thebiolithic Rock For Light is killer, and their positive messaging is awesome, it honestly really helped me in high school to not be such a doomer loser. It's all about that PMA ✌️
I think bouncing souls deserved a mention here. They’re the most accessible, modern version of everything here put together with undeniable “real punk” roots
@@upnorth5716 I mean Kate is Great is one of my favorite songs but I think as a cohesive album, How I Spent My Summer really grows on you, it doesn't seem special at first but there is just something in the whole vibe of that album. It just makes you feel hopeful
Early 2000s pop punk isn't bad. NOFX and Pennywise were/are still my favorite punk bands. I think another good starter is watching SLC Punk which is full of good early punk and keenly points out that dressing a certain way isn't punk, its fashion.
But you're not saying NOFX and Pennywise are bands from the early 2000s right? Cause they were way earlier than that, especially NOFX. And the movie Suburbia from 1984 was my punk go to movie.
@@calliew311 Pennywise' first LP on Epitaph was 1991 but they started in the late 80s. I'd say the S/T one on Epitaph is a classic, but it might be lumped into hardcore as INSTED was kind of doing that sound too but definitely in the hardcore/youth crew adjacent hardcore scene.
Suburbia (1984) was a better punk film, and they didn't have to get any of the "actors" to wear a mohawked bald-cap. The director literally scooped up a bunch of actual street punks and put them in her film. WAY more realism, even if the acting was nowhere near the same level as professional actors like Matthew Lillard. Definitely worth a watch, if you haven't already seen it.
@@ProgressNotesTH right. But both bands he is suggesting, regardless of what subgenre of rock you put it in were bands that were around WAY before the early 2000s. NOFX came together in 1983. I didn't realize it was early 80s til I just Googled it. I thought both bands formed within a couple years of one another in the late 80s. Either way they were bands with a resurgence in the early 2000s but that doesn't make them bands from that era. I mean, I guess it does, but the way I took his comment was that those bands didn't have a career too long before the early 2000s. 🤷🏼♀️
Don’t forget that Bad Religion had been a band since 1979 and that Epitaph was essentially their label. Greg Graffin also got a PhD from Cornell so he’s hella smart
Finn's really not a BR fan (the 'you heard one song, you heard them all' comment), but least he mentioned Suffer. Imo, BR is the best band of all-time, but I realize not everybody is going to agree. Just wish he'd at least give more credit to the lyrical side of BR.
@Jambr380 Graffin and Geurwitz are the Lennon/McCartney of punk rock. Actually, scratch that. They're superior, in every way. Super intelligent and thought-provoking lyrics. BR is my all-time favorite band.
NOFX is a great gateway to punk for anyone that grew up in the 90's. I am always shocked by how many people love that album, even people who don't listen to music all that much.
Yes I definitely agree, they have catchy riffs due to heffe not Melvin. And it's not too hard like the exploited. I'm 38 and they were one of the firsts for me in 7th grade, that led me down the rabbit hole.
Yes, NOFX has great, catchy melodies and funny lyrics to get people who aren't into punk that much hooked. And they are loud and fast enough to still be considered hardcore and not pop punk. By far my favourite punk band!
I can’t believe he passed over the Clash. If there’s one album of the Clash you can’t skip or leave off a punk starter pack list, it’s Give ‘Em Enough Rope. Whole album is just a great rock album.
All Clash albums are Punk. OK Sandinista or London Calling is not soundly Punk as we define it but the SPIRIT is 100% Punk. More Punk than any other albums of other popular Punk albmus.! really i cant understand this guy.... unless we define a punk rocker as a person with no knowledge, no political aspects, just a a guy how hates or questioning without any meaning
Give ‘em enough rope is probably their most raw record and a personal fav of mine. I came from hardcore so their poppier sound with London calling and combat rock and whatnot was initially off putting, but I found this album which probably saved the band for me. So I was later able to get into their magum opus
It's alright. I agree with Ramones but like clash and not into sex pistols. I also like ska and ska punk and this guy hates it and that's fine. There's enough sub genres for everyobe
When I was 18 I was working at Mammoth Mountain, CA, a roommate handed me the LP of Mommys Little Monster and said 'This will change your life"...I'm 57 and still blast Bad Religion and Ramones in my car...loud enough to bug people around me. Also Sex Pistols were a really good band.
Great to see Crass getting a proper mention. One of the few bands I've just read through lyrics before even listening to the songs. I think Discharge and Amebix could have gotten a little more of a prompt
Yeah, I think Crass music is very underrated, disagree completely that they suck musically. But totally agree about the lyrics. They started what was for me, a true punk movement. Amebix I always thought of as more crust/hard-core but still definitely in the vein of punk.
Ian Mckeye is also an important punk figure. 3 bands that were and still are a big part of punk history, Minor Threat, Embrace and Fugazi. You can't talk about punk history without mentioning Ian.
I'm also a huge fan of garage rock from the 60s! I love The Who, The Kinks, The Pretty Things, 13th Floor Elevators, Flammin' Groovies, The Stooges, MC 5, Paul Revere & the Raiders, The Electric Prunes, The Kingsmen, The Monks, The Seeds, Them, The Standells, and The Amboy Dukes.
Huge fan of that bands, too. This style of (punk) music really got a second era in California with Ty Segall, FIDLAR, Thee Oh Sees, Black Lips etc. If you haven't checked that out.
I listened to Ramones and Sex Pistols when I was 14 yo, then Misfits cemented my taste of music and since then punk rock became my favorite music genre until this day
I love the Dead Kennedy’s man. I’m so glad you mentioned his lyrical ability. Some of Jellos lyrics are fucking amazing. Poetic at times too. His vocals are rough (lmao) but it has charm to me. Love it. He’s like a villain from a cartoon based on a comic. I used to dig it.
@@alexandermazilu7087 Frankenchrist is an all time favourite album. Absolutely underrated in its creativity. This could be anywhere and a growing boy needs his lunch are a must listen. The whole album is fantastic though. Tbh I’d say listen to the whole album lol. Would also suggest plastic surgery disasters because it’s fantastic. I want to recommend songs but tbh the whole album is a bop and a half. I will suggest maybe I am the owl and moon over Marin.
Offspring was the band that gave me a taste for skate punk but when I heard NOFX in probably 97 I was hooked. The Epitaph punkOrama sampler albums were pretty big in introducing me to bands as well.
I'm glad you decided to do this and are going to continue to talk about Punk and Hardcore more. It's not even my favorite genre, but played a big role in my early years! And for most people I know in my ripe old age of 41, not many people talk about it. And I appreciate that you realized you have a big platform of people that watch and/or listen to you. Hope this makes its way to some of the younger generation.
Leftover crack, morning glory, and choking victim are by far some of my favorites. Pretty sure they’re all basically the same band but there’s definitely nothing better to skate to!
There’s newer stuff from the same style of music Atrocity Solution and The infested are both super fun cool bands that do the crack rock steady sound well
I'm kind of surprised they don't get mentioned more in videos like these. But to be fair, I totally missed them growing up and only heard about them in the past few years thanks to podcasts and an interview with Poly Styrene's daughter.
The Vandals would've been my first. Then the Ramones, Sex Pistols, Black Flag, Misfits, Dead Kennedys and Dead Boys. After that probably AFI, Pennywise, Guttermouth and stuff like that.
This was the content I thought I was going to get when I first started with you years ago. But you turned me on to a lot of new genres. Good stuff then and now.
Green Day's American Idiot did a lot as a gateway into Punk Rock for me. The first bands I truly obsessed over were The Ramones, Sex Pistols, Bad Religion and The Misfits.
First Wave Punk - 70's and 80's - The Screamers, The Brat, X-Ray Spex, Suicide, Death, X, The Slits. 90's - Bikini Kill, L7, Babes In Toyland. Not all formative punk bands were male and white.
i started with michael graves when i first discovered them and lvoed it, but after some time i came to conclusion that danzigs his time is unbeaten for me
Hey Finn, great video. I discovered Punk at the age of 13 in 1986 living outside of D.C. living in silver spring, MD. So, I started with Black Flag, The Sex Pistols, DK, The Exploited, and Minor Threat respectively. My friends and I ran a fanzine in the '90s called Bowling Doughnuts. There were a lot of bands that I missed out on and kind of rejected. Some of those bands like The Misfits, and Social Distortion, I would come to like through meeting different friends in the scene. In 1997 when I was in the Army, I discovered the book, "Please Kill Me" by Legs McNeil and Gillian McCain. This book changed my life and my entire perspective on the history of this music. The key to this revelation is that as I read about new bands like The Stooges, The Dead Boys, Patty Smith, The Dickies, and Television, I would buy their albums and listen to the music. This gave me a better understanding as to what these artists were creating, and why. The book goes back to The Velvet Underground, and The Doors, but it's critical to context. I have given away multiple copies of this book to young punks, and I always tell them to get the music as they read it. They all love the experience. ow with the internet it is even better. Hell, I just recently bought "Black Tape" by The Explosion, and then learned that some of them now play in the Loved Ones, and I just said to myself, "Yeah, no shit, that makes too much sense". Anyway, your suggestions are great, but I do recommend this book. It will make for better-educated punk fans and the more distant the branches grow from the roots, the more important it is for new fans to understand the history, in order to carry on the legacy. Lastly, "Got any Vibrators?".
Making a Punk rock starter list is tough. Everyone has their own opinions, obviously and the genre is so deep. Great mention of Rick Agnew. No mention of "Anarcho" punk, however, would be complete without mention of Rudimentary Peni. They are the most enigmatic punk band of all time. Some would argue that they are the pinnacle of that anarcho style sound of punk. They are brilliant and have a loyal following. To prove that point, guess what? They are still making records.
I think the movie SLC Punk influenced everyone’s “consensus” about The Sex Pistols. If you don’t know what scene I’m talking about it’s when the main character is narrating his thoughts about what’s “punk” and defining different groups of people in the movie. I grew up watching this movie and absolutely loved that scene as it gave me a direction or perspective on alternative scenes. I honestly am not a fan of the self destructive personality’s The Sex Pistols were. Love you Finn!
Love that you mentioned DI, Adolescents and Rikk Agnew. Casey and Rikk do a band called the Radolescents where they play the blue album in full with all OG Adolescents members.
No love for Social Distortion? I know you briefly mentioned them, but don't see how you could skip over them, especially going through 80's Orange County punk. Hands down one of the most important punk rock bands in history. They greatly influenced so many huge and important bands that in turn heavily influenced other bands behind them. Bad Religion's very first show was at a Social Distortion show. The Offspring formed after a Social D concert, and so did so many other bands. I don't think you'd have Green Day, Offspring, or blink-182 without Social D. Without those bands, you wouldn't have all the shit that's popular now. Social D and Mike Ness don't get the respect they deserve, but modern alternative music would sound much different if Social D never existed. Would love to see you do a segment on them some day. Fun fact, Kottonmouth Kings had a dude from D.I. play guitar for a couple tracks and they recreated that Johnny's Got a Problem song. Loved that shit back in the day lol
Watch a video of The Dillinger Escape Plan playing in the mall where Greg immdediately runs over first three rows as rest of the band explode in epileptic seizure attack. You either get instantly repelled or fascinated enough to venture into that rabbit hole. At least that's the way I got into Mathcore.
For me it was Black Flag Damaged when I was in 4th Grade. I think I replayed "Rise Above" what felt like hundreds of times on my tape/stereo. Thank God for having a cool older sister who turned me onto Punk at a young age. It felt so real, hearing Ginn's guitar, the intensity of the drums and bass then Rollin's extremely distinct aggressive voice sealed the deal. I did listen to the whole Damaged album often, but it was "Rise Above" that had me hooked. I soon got turned onto The Dead Kennedy's, DOA, The Sex Pistols, The Clash(well I knew of them b/c of Rock The Casbah but explore their catalog after)Suicidal Tendencies, and COC's Eye for an Eye and Technocracy Albums.
honestly, i would never have guessed the consensus on sex pistols is negative aside from aspects irrelevant to their music. out of all the punk originals the sex pistols just made most sense to me immediately. the clash went all world music two or three albums in and it took me quite a bit of taste expansion to appreciate London Calling meanwhile Ramones were just grinding power chords. with my initially more metal background Sex Pistols was the only of the 3 I immediately understood and I still love Never Mind the Bollocks.
I think the fact that the Sex Pistols were only around a couple of years (with one album) makes it seem like they were more shock punk rock. I might be a bit bias as I'm a much bigger The Clash fan.
Good picks! here's my TL/DR critique: The first Clash album should be listened to by kids getting into punk for sure. Crass is brilliant and I think very innovative rhythmically where the guitars are often just percussive and amelodic. The bass lines are legit awesome and unique in a lot of their material, but their first LP (Feeding of the 5K) should be on the starter list for sure even if it's a little farther down. Subhumans didn't age well IMHO, but it might be good for a newbie. Cocksparrer have some amazing records and are truly anthemic, so "Shock Troops" is where to start. You need to list Blitz "Voice of a Generation" too as those songs are also incredibly well written. OG UK street punk is a rabbit hole well worth going down for people of any age with a lot of the bands you mentioned. A song like "Bad Man" by the Cockney Rejects is pretty amazing when you consider they were kids. With DK, I prefer "Plastic Surgery Disasters" for an intro. With Bad Religion, "How Can Hell..." would likely appeal to newbies even though they quickly left that raw sound behind and moved onto greater things . "Milo Goes to College" is definitely on the starter list for newbies, too. And where's "Group Sex" by the Circle Jerks? That's a necessity and really the only CJ record worth hearing. OC stuff is a world of its own, but I would definitely consider throwing Battalion of Saints' "Second Coming" out there even if we're skewing towards hardcore at this point.
Lots of classic UK and US punk here, but don't forget the most legendary Australian punk band, The Saints, who were putting out their best material in the late '70s and were hugely influential.
I'm pretty sure the saints wanted to be the Australian stooges judging from looks attitude but they were formed as early as Ramones earlier than Brit bands I always give them credit 🦘
I'm just happy to see someone talking about the Sex Pistols! One of the greatest bands to ever exist! So many other bands would not exist without their foundation!
@@tombstonejones9581 Both are important, but one should note that the Buzzcocks formed after the members all met each other at a Sex Pistols concert. Without the Sex Pistols, the Buzzcocks literally wouldn’t exist. Neither would the Smiths or Joy Division, both formed after members saw the Sex Pistols
The Punk-o-Rama mixes are a great place to start. I found the 2nd volume at goodwill years ago and never looked back. The series start off with a 90s variety.
7:41 - in 1981 Crass did release one listenable LP: "Penis Envy"! (Yes, that IS the title!) Tighter musicianship, clearer production and minimal obscene lyrics (!) it proved Crass could be accessible without "selling out". (Regular vocalist Steve Ignorant is not on this album- Eve Libertine does the bulk of the lead singing.)
Super cool selection Finn - really enjoyed the history. Had a hard day with nerves staying on for hours snd This took my mind away from it - thank you so much for consistently brill content! 💎
The Danzig era Misfits songs were written by Glenn. I agree with you that those albums are excellent. I disagree about the Graves era however. I really enjoy those albums. I've seen him a couple times recently and he did a great job. Off topic a bit but how about Blitzkid? I feel they are a really underrated band.
The Jam will always be my number one punk band! In the City is my favorite punk album and song of all time, but All Mod Cons will be my number one Jam album! Love Paul Weller to death! Awesome guitarist/lyricist! And Bruce Foxton is a really talented bass player and one of my all time favorite bass players! Love The Jam more than The Clash! And my favorite UK punk band easily!
My dad gave me plastic surgery disasters when I was 14 and it shaped my musical interest forever. It’s one of my no skip albums and is a huge reason why I love hardcore and punk music today.
but finn is a corny poser cuz he actually thinks BR sucks. he sits and talks about how awesome sum 41 and good Charlotte and blink 182 is, but he says bad religion isn't good.
Ironically i took a “‘music appreciation of rock and counter culture music” and our nerdy professor went on to talk about the ramones then start talking about DRI and Suicidal once the thrash and hardcore kids got together.
"Nuggets: Original Artyfacts from the First Psychedelic Era, 1965-1968" is an essential compilation. It's where all the 70s punkbands got their inspiration from. One of the most influential records in punk
Aside from the 70s stuff we have almost identical punk taste. You definitely dove way deeper into it all. Fun stuff ❤️ I would still listen to the misfits and NoFx out of all of these.
DK are one of the most consistent bands to me, every release is great. Jello is like a mad genius of some sort, his falsetto vocals are definitely something that's not for everyone though
I remember the first time I listened to Crass. I was hyping them up after seeing so many crass patches at shows and I was so disappointed by their sound lol but you are right they were ahead of their time lyrically
As for Jello- I would say he is one of the great punk vocalists, the nature of his voice is perfect. I was standing behind him at a show (where Spazz shouted out to Finn in the crowd) and knew it was jello by his conversation
Nimrod by Green Day on cassette was the first album I ever owned. That led me down a path to discovering The Ramones, Sex Pistols, NOFX, Bad Religion, Dead Kennedys and getting into thrashier, more hardcore stuff like The Exploited, Black Flag, Minor Threat, and Fugazi a bit later. I think people hate the Pistols now because John Lydon is such a tool, and they were put together by a clothing store owner. But, the songs were great, any way you slice it.
Recently I listened to 4 skins and last Resort and I noticed how good they are, the arrangements are much more sophisticated, kind of as if they were going back to proto punk like Dictators and stooges, a lot of soul and r&b influence from the sixties too
With the Ramones, have people start with Leave Home. It's fast 3 chord music like the self titled, but better production. Then the 4th album Road to Ruin, Johnny Ramone is adding a little metallic crunch to his riffs. Everything afterwards has punk mixed with hard rock and metal, some even say hardcore as well.
early Misfits was great, I just hate how the low quality 80's hardcore punk recordings can't be fit on a playlist with anything else without having to change the volume during song switches constantly, but put on Walk Among Us and you can go through it with 0 skips.
I'd also throw The Stooges and Patty Smith into the starter pack. If the Sex Pistols, Ramones and the Clash are the fathers of modern punk, then Iggy Pop and Patty Smith are like the great-grandparents of punk. Really, nobody from that era of music (early-mid 1970s) sounded like them at all.
Here's my Punk Starter Pack The Jam Ramones The Damned Misfits Descendents Bad Religion Sex Pistols The Clash Stiff Little Fingers X Ray Spex Crass The Exploited NOFX Alkaline Trio Rise Against Against Me Rancid MxPx Pennywise Anti-Flag Generation X Flammin' Groovies (punk according to Spotify) The Adicts The Adverts Buzzcocks GBH Discharge Anti Nowhere League Amebix Killing Joke Joy Division The Donnas Blondie The Stooges The Runaways MC 5 The Offspring Social Distortion The Stranglers Sleater Kinney Pup The Spitfires AFI Minutemen Bad Brains Death Fear Bikini Kill Rites of Spring Sham 69 All Joyce Manor Trash Boat Dead Kennedys L7 Dropkick Murphys Floggy Molly Minor Threat Turnstile Adolescents Green Day Sum 41
The first one I got was Punk O Rama 3. It broke me into it, and wow did I delve into the historical and have so much fun finding new bands all the time even to this day!!!!
‘Never Mind The Bollocks’ is a fun album, but the reality is the Sex Pistols were essentially a punk rock boy band. Put together by a crafty manager looking to make money after he’d fallen out with the New York Dolls, a genuine punk band who he’d been trying to exploit. The talented Pistol was Glen Matlock, and once he’d gone, that was it as far as music was concerned. They could still do controversy and image and whatnot, but as for songwriting, forget it. See: ‘The Great Rock ‘n’ Roll Swindle’. Cringey as hell. Lydon’s lyrics don’t have much to them. Fairly slapdash. ‘Anarchy In The UK’ simply demonstrates that he doesn’t know what anarchism is. The lyrics to ‘New York’ are laughable given as he accuses the New York Dolls of being an imitation of the Sex Pistols. That’s the New York Dolls who were formed in 1971. Apparently they were an imitation of the Sex Pistols who formed in 1976. Johnny Thunders’ ‘London Boys’ was an apt response. So yeah… a fun enough album, but very overrated and mostly successful down to crafty marketing.
@@LongGone77 Other bands being manufactured doesn’t really stop the Pistols being manufactured. That’s a bit of a stretch. The Pistols weren’t simply a band with a manager. They were practically a walking talking advert for McClaren’s Sex shop. What they’re mostly famous for is controversy and antics, with music being very much secondary. You can’t really say that about The Clash or the Stiff Little Fingers or the Ramones, who indeed, weren’t as DIY as people might imagine. Let’s not pretend Sid Vicious was hired for his musical talent. Like I said, ‘NMTB’ is a fun album, but very overrated. I’ve no doubt late seventies British punks (which was the end of the first wave) loved it, but it was likely the first punk band they’d ever heard given as punk had been largely an American phenomenon up until that point, with the closest British equivalent being pub rock.
@@CaptainAndy That's not really my point. My point is that NEITHER band was "manufactured".....unless your idea of being "manufactured" is "forming with hopes of getting their music heard by a vast majority of people". In which case, all bands with aspirations of success are manufactured. But what does "manufactured" even mean in this context? A friend offered them a place to practice and acted as a great promotions person? That's not exactly equated to a Hollywood Corporation putting out a casting call for young attractive teens to add to their talent pool ("Must have music and theatre background!") And of course they weren't SIMPLY a band with a manager. They were an original, revolutionary, history-altering band with one of the most clever (albeit, scheming) managers in the history of music. That's why we're still talking about them despite only a single album being under their belt. The reason I compare them to the Clash is because nobody even comes close to ragging on the Clash the same way as the Pistols, even though they both came together in a VERY similar manner. And really - it's no mystery WHY the Clash get a pass...... but I'll avoid that subject. All that said, I agree with your last comment - and as a Canadian, I prefer North American punk over the UK stuff anyway (my favourite UK bands of that period are the Pistols, Boys, Lurkers and Wire). But I'm not going to play into this ridiculous notion that a band as revolutionary as the Pistols should just be written off as a "manufactured boy band" when there isn't a single band from the first wave who doesn't say they were floored upon first witnessing them. It strikes me as try-hard revisionism from people who want to downplay their significance cause they don't like John Lydon, and nothing more.
I like how punk can make an all time classic by recording the entire band with one $5 microphone and mixing the track in 10 seconds on a tascom 4 track.
Props for mentioning Crass. I would love to see them be talked about more as a major band in the early punk scene. One of my favourite songs is What Now Columbus.
I'll argue that the whole "real punk" thing is what's stagnating the genera, the reason there is not great "real punk" after the 90's it's because the new and innovative stuff is frowned upon and called "not real punk". This was an amazing list Finn, thank you for your work.
Punk has a lot of gatekeeping bellends, who've decided their personal interpetation of what punk is, is some kind of universal truth. Generally though, they tend to dislike women, foreigners, and anyone who can write a tune.
Yo whoever said the thing about influential bands sounding generic is spitting facts. I had this same point when talking to someone about architects and djentcore.
I’ve thought about similar things and I feel like maybe it’s because whenever someone is influential, especially in music, they’re copied by those who are influenced them leading to that sound or whatever it is being out there more, thus hearing it more and making it generic since at that point everyone is doing it. Also could have to do with something being influential usually also means it’s more accessible to some degree. I could totally be wrong on this one just a thought I had
@@larrykeach Exactly. And I’m no Pearl Jam Stan or anything but that MTV unplugged version of Black deserves so much more love than it gets, one of the best live performances ever.
I will never understand why people hate the Michale Graves stuff with the Misfits, Famous Monsters was hit after hit after hit, Michale was like 19 when he did it, he had a great voice, I love both eras for different reasons, but don't shit on the Graves stuff, he was a way more flexible vocalist, he was basically a pop singer and he could scream as well
@@scottlame6724 exactly, Helena at the bridge is probably the best punk riff ever, Abominable Dr. Phibes, American Psycho, Dont Open til Doomsday, Dig up Her Bones, Lost in Space, Pumpkin Head, Kong Unleashed, Scarecrow Man, etc. All bangers
@@scottlame6724 right? What I believe is that the people who hate the Graves stuff is simply cause they havent listened to it, simple, the live act and visuals at the time was second to none, spoke to Michale when he came to Mexico and yeah top dude with fans, humble af, he told me and a friend that one of his biggest regrets in life was leaving the Misfits, he said he was too young and it was just too much for him at the time, he said he's been up for a reunion for years but Jerry does not want to split the loot, simple as that, my hope is that when Jerry and Danzig cant stand each other anymore, Graves will get the call, fingers still crossed
Controversial opinion: Graves era misfits is the best Misfits. It’s not “punk”, but it’s just good riffs and killer guitar tones and fun gang vocals and campy horror lyrics. And Graves is a better singer than Danzig. He has a haunting, ghoulish voice where Danzig just sounds like Elvis doing a Roy Orbison impression. I don’t give a fuck, I’ll die on this hill.
Dead Kennedy’s and Ramones always a good entry point! Sometimes you can start with The Clash if you’re really into pop music… that’s been my experience! I’m sure others have a different idea…
The buzzcocks are a great band I love the exploited the misfits rancid black flag the clash suicidal tendencies nofx Lars Fredrickson and the bastards and the germs and the Sex Pistols and crass and the dead Kennedy’s and my all time favorite agent orange
I saw The Subhumans live in Baltimore years ago, Dick Lucas was outside the venue rolling cigarettes, I was like a 16 year old punk kid who was a big fan and wanted to say something. I went up to him and just said "Hey man, I really like your band..." and he nodded his head and said nothing else. Great memory.
I think the very last band one could consider "punk" that would have brought something significant to the table would be Rise Against, but for the most part I think they picked up where bands like Bad Religion left off, and they're a touchy subject among the community so i can understand why you'd leave them out.
They are like the Metallica of melodic hardcore haha the first 4 albums are 100% grade a bangers and then they went "soft". I don't think they get the respect that they deserve from the punk community.
@@austind6546 Holy shit this is the most accurate comparison i have ever seen about them. But from some stories, apparently they started getting hate early on, especially because of their political views.
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please hit up Jared from Avalanche Reviews he's from the scene too and has talked about it in bits mostly on his streams.
I never woulda thought you were a d.i. fan lol. It's funny they don't get mentioned more , they were one of the few bands from that era that never really broke up. Rikk Agnew's 1st album is also a classic.
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Great modern Punk from the UK
Hey can you do a post-punk tier-list?
I can't believe the germs weren't in this video huge let down
Finn can talk at length about punk, metalcore, Walmart country, post-grunge, modern rap, nu metal, top 40 pop, and a ton of other subgenres of music and the cultures associated with them. Props for being so well rounded, I appreciate the objective and subjective analysis
Walmart country 😂
And still make it cohesive material! I appreciate the fact that Finn can make all these genres histories interesting and not stray from the identity of the channel. Great content as always.
And lo from heretoforeward the country music I am most aware of shall henceforth be known as Walmart country!!!!
I started to spite watch this channel. I’m now subscribed to both and actually really like his videos. A win for Finn
Danzig was the Misfits. He wrote all the songs, all the music, all the lyrics, he had all the ideas. He even recorded a lot of the guitars on the compilation albums. That's why none of the other versions of the Misfits were anything like the real Misfits. And if you think the Graves stuff is bad, check the Jerry years, truly awful. Danzig's follow up to the Misfits, Samhain is also excellent, but it does stray further from punk.
The Ramones are to punk what Black Sabbath is to metal. I wish that both bands were still around.
I'd be pretty surprised if we don't see Black Sabbath together on stage again.
You made a typo The stooges*
Accuratetative
@@5amplewhor3 The Stooges are more like the Blue Cheer or Iron Butterfly of punk. As they were proto-metal where Sabbath was metal, the Stooges were proto-punk and the Ramones were punk
You mean a band called death? Politicians in my eye slaps
Agent Orange is very underappreciated I think. I saw The Damned open for the Misfits a few years back and was pleasantly surprised.
Living in darkness is one of the best punk albums
@@rook0078no kidding. That whole album is fantastic.
It’s important to mention the Ramones because everyone thinks they’ve heard the Ramones, but they haven’t. They’ve heard Blitzkrieg Bop and I Wanna Be Sedated, but they’re so much more than those two songs. They have so many amazing catchy and fun songs, I have no idea why they’re not bigger in the main stream.
You're gonna kill that girl off It's Alive is their best song
Ok
To name a coupla my favorite Ramones tunes, Sheena is a punk rocker, beat on the brat
California Sun, Commando, I’m Against It, Today Your Love Tomorrow the World, Havana Affair, I Wanna be Well…all amazing hooks
Kkk took my baby away and Cretin Hop. Really all the Ramones music is great. Mr. Burns' happy birthday also great.
I hope Bad Brains makes the next list. My personal favorite. 😉
This answer is hype. They were near the beginning of the American scene and RfL was a pivotal album
I think he talked about them In the hardcore starter pack video. Definitely a classic band but I’d say they’re more hardcore than punk
@@thebiolithic Rock For Light is killer, and their positive messaging is awesome, it honestly really helped me in high school to not be such a doomer loser. It's all about that PMA ✌️
H.R. is on Cameo
Finn said he didn’t think they were that good.
I think bouncing souls deserved a mention here. They’re the most accessible, modern version of everything here put together with undeniable “real punk” roots
How I Spent My Summer Vacation is in the top 10 punk albums of all time... well maybe top 20 but it's up there
@@ergoth154 their earlier shit was way better
Bouncing souls no one can beat us
We drink beer and wear Adidas.
@@upnorth5716 I mean Kate is Great is one of my favorite songs but I think as a cohesive album, How I Spent My Summer really grows on you, it doesn't seem special at first but there is just something in the whole vibe of that album. It just makes you feel hopeful
The Gold Record is my go to album when I want to feel good
Early 2000s pop punk isn't bad.
NOFX and Pennywise were/are still my favorite punk bands.
I think another good starter is watching SLC Punk which is full of good early punk and keenly points out that dressing a certain way isn't punk, its fashion.
But you're not saying NOFX and Pennywise are bands from the early 2000s right? Cause they were way earlier than that, especially NOFX. And the movie Suburbia from 1984 was my punk go to movie.
@@calliew311 Pennywise' first LP on Epitaph was 1991 but they started in the late 80s. I'd say the S/T one on Epitaph is a classic, but it might be lumped into hardcore as INSTED was kind of doing that sound too but definitely in the hardcore/youth crew adjacent hardcore scene.
Suburbia (1984) was a better punk film, and they didn't have to get any of the "actors" to wear a mohawked bald-cap. The director literally scooped up a bunch of actual street punks and put them in her film. WAY more realism, even if the acting was nowhere near the same level as professional actors like Matthew Lillard.
Definitely worth a watch, if you haven't already seen it.
Pop rock*
@@ProgressNotesTH right. But both bands he is suggesting, regardless of what subgenre of rock you put it in were bands that were around WAY before the early 2000s. NOFX came together in 1983. I didn't realize it was early 80s til I just Googled it. I thought both bands formed within a couple years of one another in the late 80s. Either way they were bands with a resurgence in the early 2000s but that doesn't make them bands from that era. I mean, I guess it does, but the way I took his comment was that those bands didn't have a career too long before the early 2000s. 🤷🏼♀️
The Sex Pistols laid the foundation and set the standard. One of the top five albums of all time. Imo.
Bit of a shame Lydon is pro Trump and has been praising hard right politicians in the U.K. as well though
Yes but it was all fake.
Don’t forget The Ramones and Stooges.
@@jcr6311 the only shame is that you think so highly of your opinions
@@jcr6311 LAUGHING MY F*CKING ASS OFF
Don’t forget that Bad Religion had been a band since 1979 and that Epitaph was essentially their label. Greg Graffin also got a PhD from Cornell so he’s hella smart
Finn's really not a BR fan (the 'you heard one song, you heard them all' comment), but least he mentioned Suffer. Imo, BR is the best band of all-time, but I realize not everybody is going to agree. Just wish he'd at least give more credit to the lyrical side of BR.
@@Jambr380 Seriously. "Modern man" or "I want to conquer the world" are brilliant lyrically.
@Jambr380 Graffin and Geurwitz are the Lennon/McCartney of punk rock. Actually, scratch that. They're superior, in every way. Super intelligent and thought-provoking lyrics. BR is my all-time favorite band.
Bad religion is like the best all worlds, unrivaled imo. The sound and production. The aggression mixed with catchy melody. Socially conscious lyrics.
NOFX is a great gateway to punk for anyone that grew up in the 90's. I am always shocked by how many people love that album, even people who don't listen to music all that much.
They were absolutely my gateway. I had heard The Ramones and Sex Pistols before, probably a few Clash songs, but NOFX opened alot of doors for me
@@dustywaynemusic6297 That fucking skate-punk beat always does it for me, I love it
Yes I definitely agree, they have catchy riffs due to heffe not Melvin. And it's not too hard like the exploited. I'm 38 and they were one of the firsts for me in 7th grade, that led me down the rabbit hole.
Yes, NOFX has great, catchy melodies and funny lyrics to get people who aren't into punk that much hooked. And they are loud and fast enough to still be considered hardcore and not pop punk. By far my favourite punk band!
Yep my first NOfx album was wolves in wolves clothing. Excellent band
I can’t believe he passed over the Clash. If there’s one album of the Clash you can’t skip or leave off a punk starter pack list, it’s Give ‘Em Enough Rope. Whole album is just a great rock album.
True...the clash is most important to me.
I agree 100%
All Clash albums are Punk. OK Sandinista or London Calling is not soundly Punk as we define it but the SPIRIT is 100% Punk. More Punk than any other albums of other popular Punk albmus.! really i cant understand this guy.... unless we define a punk rocker as a person with no knowledge, no political aspects, just a a guy how hates or questioning without any meaning
Give ‘em enough rope is probably their most raw record and a personal fav of mine. I came from hardcore so their poppier sound with London calling and combat rock and whatnot was initially off putting, but I found this album which probably saved the band for me. So I was later able to get into their magum opus
It's alright. I agree with Ramones but like clash and not into sex pistols. I also like ska and ska punk and this guy hates it and that's fine. There's enough sub genres for everyobe
im glad you are talking more about punk and hardcore! you have put me onto so many good bands!
When I was 18 I was working at Mammoth Mountain, CA, a roommate handed me the LP of Mommys Little Monster and said 'This will change your life"...I'm 57 and still blast Bad Religion and Ramones in my car...loud enough to bug people around me. Also Sex Pistols were a really good band.
Social D got me into a lot of different punk rock. MLM was iconic 💯🔥🔥
Great to see Crass getting a proper mention. One of the few bands I've just read through lyrics before even listening to the songs. I think Discharge and Amebix could have gotten a little more of a prompt
Discharge was in the hardcore video and rightfully so. People think Amebix more of metal band, which is odd to me but not completely off base.
Yeah, I think Crass music is very underrated, disagree completely that they suck musically. But totally agree about the lyrics. They started what was for me, a true punk movement. Amebix I always thought of as more crust/hard-core but still definitely in the vein of punk.
Ian Mckeye is also an important punk figure. 3 bands that were and still are a big part of punk history, Minor Threat, Embrace and Fugazi. You can't talk about punk history without mentioning Ian.
The entire DC scene was extremely important
He was definitely not a stepping stone...
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Spelt his name wrong
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@@danevertt3210 important to who lol I'm a NY punk DC didn't do nothin for me haha
@@leahflower9924 great, then throw away your Bad Brains and Minor Threat records, tard-o
I'm also a huge fan of garage rock from the 60s! I love The Who, The Kinks, The Pretty Things, 13th Floor Elevators, Flammin' Groovies, The Stooges, MC 5, Paul Revere & the Raiders, The Electric Prunes, The Kingsmen, The Monks, The Seeds, Them, The Standells, and The Amboy Dukes.
Huge fan of that bands, too. This style of (punk) music really got a second era in California with Ty Segall, FIDLAR, Thee Oh Sees, Black Lips etc. If you haven't checked that out.
@@SharksInYourMouth193 eyyyy, FIDLAR is the shit! Glad someone else recognizes them.
The early Beach Boys & Jan&Dean great garagey stuffm
Detroit shit
? and the Mysterians
I listened to Ramones and Sex Pistols when I was 14 yo, then Misfits cemented my taste of music and since then punk rock became my favorite music genre until this day
I love the Dead Kennedy’s man. I’m so glad you mentioned his lyrical ability. Some of Jellos lyrics are fucking amazing. Poetic at times too. His vocals are rough (lmao) but it has charm to me. Love it. He’s like a villain from a cartoon based on a comic. I used to dig it.
I'm obsessed with the songs soup is good food and pull my strings right now. Been on a real kick with these guys. Outstanding lyrics.
@@alexandermazilu7087 Frankenchrist is an all time favourite album. Absolutely underrated in its creativity. This could be anywhere and a growing boy needs his lunch are a must listen. The whole album is fantastic though. Tbh I’d say listen to the whole album lol.
Would also suggest plastic surgery disasters because it’s fantastic. I want to recommend songs but tbh the whole album is a bop and a half. I will suggest maybe I am the owl and moon over Marin.
@@alexandermazilu7087 "Soup Is Good Food" is my favorite DK song.
His best song was too drunk to f honestly lol
@@devenscience8894 great song! Honestly that whole album is just a vibe.
Offspring was the band that gave me a taste for skate punk but when I heard NOFX in probably 97 I was hooked. The Epitaph punkOrama sampler albums were pretty big in introducing me to bands as well.
Punk-O-Rama CDs were absolute gold
Lizas had enough of men she said she won't get burned again 😅
I'm glad you decided to do this and are going to continue to talk about Punk and Hardcore more. It's not even my favorite genre, but played a big role in my early years! And for most people I know in my ripe old age of 41, not many people talk about it. And I appreciate that you realized you have a big platform of people that watch and/or listen to you. Hope this makes its way to some of the younger generation.
Leftover crack, morning glory, and choking victim are by far some of my favorites. Pretty sure they’re all basically the same band but there’s definitely nothing better to skate to!
All those bands should just be collectively known as "STZA and friends"
@@diydylana3151 STZA might be a p.o.s. but at least he's true to himself and lives out his lyrics.
There’s newer stuff from the same style of music Atrocity Solution and The infested are both super fun cool bands that do the crack rock steady sound well
Leftover Crack & Choking Victim are great ear candy.
@@diydylana3151 How is Stza a p.o.s.? I know he's kind of up his own ass but other than that...
X Ray Spex are my favourite punk band (UK first wave). Their album Germfree Adolescents is 0 skips - criminally underrated!
I'm kind of surprised they don't get mentioned more in videos like these. But to be fair, I totally missed them growing up and only heard about them in the past few years thanks to podcasts and an interview with Poly Styrene's daughter.
Poly predicted a lot with genetic engineering, I didn't find out she had died untill about 18 months after.
The Vandals would've been my first. Then the Ramones, Sex Pistols, Black Flag, Misfits, Dead Kennedys and Dead Boys. After that probably AFI, Pennywise, Guttermouth and stuff like that.
Thank you for hitting DI on this video. Their first 2 albums were hugely influential to me and they are more often than not, overlooked.
Finn, if you make a Misfits video, the first thing that you say absolutely has to be "I got something to say" 😂
I support this. I hope he sees this
I remember halloween
Mommy. Can I go out and… Kill tonight???
Keith Morris is absolutely one of the most iconic frontman in the genre🤘🏽 His vocal tone is iconic to punk!
This was the content I thought I was going to get when I first started with you years ago. But you turned me on to a lot of new genres. Good stuff then and now.
My 6yo daughter LOVES "Good Good Things" by The Descendents. She thinks The Misfits look cool too. It warms my heart
Green Day's American Idiot did a lot as a gateway into Punk Rock for me. The first bands I truly obsessed over were The Ramones, Sex Pistols, Bad Religion and The Misfits.
First Wave Punk - 70's and 80's - The Screamers, The Brat, X-Ray Spex, Suicide, Death, X, The Slits. 90's - Bikini Kill, L7, Babes In Toyland. Not all formative punk bands were male and white.
I love the Micheal Graves era of Misfits, can't be the only one right guys?
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i started with michael graves when i first discovered them and lvoed it, but after some time i came to conclusion that danzigs his time is unbeaten for me
Hey Finn, great video. I discovered Punk at the age of 13 in 1986 living outside of D.C. living in silver spring, MD. So, I started with Black Flag, The Sex Pistols, DK, The Exploited, and Minor Threat respectively. My friends and I ran a fanzine in the '90s called Bowling Doughnuts. There were a lot of bands that I missed out on and kind of rejected. Some of those bands like The Misfits, and Social Distortion, I would come to like through meeting different friends in the scene. In 1997 when I was in the Army, I discovered the book, "Please Kill Me" by Legs McNeil and Gillian McCain. This book changed my life and my entire perspective on the history of this music. The key to this revelation is that as I read about new bands like The Stooges, The Dead Boys, Patty Smith, The Dickies, and Television, I would buy their albums and listen to the music. This gave me a better understanding as to what these artists were creating, and why. The book goes back to The Velvet Underground, and The Doors, but it's critical to context. I have given away multiple copies of this book to young punks, and I always tell them to get the music as they read it. They all love the experience. ow with the internet it is even better. Hell, I just recently bought "Black Tape" by The Explosion, and then learned that some of them now play in the Loved Ones, and I just said to myself, "Yeah, no shit, that makes too much sense". Anyway, your suggestions are great, but I do recommend this book. It will make for better-educated punk fans and the more distant the branches grow from the roots, the more important it is for new fans to understand the history, in order to carry on the legacy. Lastly, "Got any Vibrators?".
I agree that Danzig era is great and "the misfits" sounds for sure. But I think graves era is good too :D
I'm looking for Graves CDs solo or w the Misfits any ideas where to look?
Making a Punk rock starter list is tough. Everyone has their own opinions, obviously and the genre is so deep. Great mention of Rick Agnew. No mention of "Anarcho" punk, however, would be complete without mention of Rudimentary Peni. They are the most enigmatic punk band of all time. Some would argue that they are the pinnacle of that anarcho style sound of punk. They are brilliant and have a loyal following. To prove that point, guess what? They are still making records.
I think the movie SLC Punk influenced everyone’s “consensus” about The Sex Pistols.
If you don’t know what scene I’m talking about it’s when the main character is narrating his thoughts about what’s “punk” and defining different groups of people in the movie.
I grew up watching this movie and absolutely loved that scene as it gave me a direction or perspective on alternative scenes.
I honestly am not a fan of the self destructive personality’s The Sex Pistols were.
Love you Finn!
The trippy part about the sex pistols is that they only really had one album.
Love that you mentioned DI, Adolescents and Rikk Agnew. Casey and Rikk do a band called the Radolescents where they play the blue album in full with all OG Adolescents members.
No love for Social Distortion? I know you briefly mentioned them, but don't see how you could skip over them, especially going through 80's Orange County punk. Hands down one of the most important punk rock bands in history. They greatly influenced so many huge and important bands that in turn heavily influenced other bands behind them. Bad Religion's very first show was at a Social Distortion show. The Offspring formed after a Social D concert, and so did so many other bands. I don't think you'd have Green Day, Offspring, or blink-182 without Social D. Without those bands, you wouldn't have all the shit that's popular now. Social D and Mike Ness don't get the respect they deserve, but modern alternative music would sound much different if Social D never existed. Would love to see you do a segment on them some day. Fun fact, Kottonmouth Kings had a dude from D.I. play guitar for a couple tracks and they recreated that Johnny's Got a Problem song. Loved that shit back in the day lol
Fucken A
Best rock band ever
Hi I would like to get into mathcore please show me how to get started
Watch a video of The Dillinger Escape Plan playing in the mall where Greg immdediately runs over first three rows as rest of the band explode in epileptic seizure attack. You either get instantly repelled or fascinated enough to venture into that rabbit hole.
At least that's the way I got into Mathcore.
dillinger escape plan
Dillinger
For me it was Black Flag Damaged when I was in 4th Grade. I think I replayed "Rise Above" what felt like hundreds of times on my tape/stereo. Thank God for having a cool older sister who turned me onto Punk at a young age. It felt so real, hearing Ginn's guitar, the intensity of the drums and bass then Rollin's extremely distinct aggressive voice sealed the deal. I did listen to the whole Damaged album often, but it was "Rise Above" that had me hooked. I soon got turned onto The Dead Kennedy's, DOA, The Sex Pistols, The Clash(well I knew of them b/c of Rock The Casbah but explore their catalog after)Suicidal Tendencies, and COC's Eye for an Eye and Technocracy Albums.
I’m a middle school teacher and last year a student of mine asked me if I had ever listened to the Sub Humans? Warmed my heart. Lol.
Start with Pure Hell, a band called Death, Bad Brains album Black Dots…
honestly, i would never have guessed the consensus on sex pistols is negative aside from aspects irrelevant to their music. out of all the punk originals the sex pistols just made most sense to me immediately. the clash went all world music two or three albums in and it took me quite a bit of taste expansion to appreciate London Calling meanwhile Ramones were just grinding power chords. with my initially more metal background Sex Pistols was the only of the 3 I immediately understood and I still love Never Mind the Bollocks.
I think the fact that the Sex Pistols were only around a couple of years (with one album) makes it seem like they were more shock punk rock. I might be a bit bias as I'm a much bigger The Clash fan.
Because of a load of misinformed revisionist crap that sheep believe, like people believing Malcolm's nonsense in the swindle.
Operation Ivy is the first band that really got me into punk; glad they got a mention
Good picks! here's my TL/DR critique:
The first Clash album should be listened to by kids getting into punk for sure. Crass is brilliant and I think very innovative rhythmically where the guitars are often just percussive and amelodic. The bass lines are legit awesome and unique in a lot of their material, but their first LP (Feeding of the 5K) should be on the starter list for sure even if it's a little farther down.
Subhumans didn't age well IMHO, but it might be good for a newbie. Cocksparrer have some amazing records and are truly anthemic, so "Shock Troops" is where to start. You need to list Blitz "Voice of a Generation" too as those songs are also incredibly well written. OG UK street punk is a rabbit hole well worth going down for people of any age with a lot of the bands you mentioned. A song like "Bad Man" by the Cockney Rejects is pretty amazing when you consider they were kids.
With DK, I prefer "Plastic Surgery Disasters" for an intro. With Bad Religion, "How Can Hell..." would likely appeal to newbies even though they quickly left that raw sound behind and moved onto greater things . "Milo Goes to College" is definitely on the starter list for newbies, too. And where's "Group Sex" by the Circle Jerks? That's a necessity and really the only CJ record worth hearing.
OC stuff is a world of its own, but I would definitely consider throwing Battalion of Saints' "Second Coming" out there even if we're skewing towards hardcore at this point.
Lots of classic UK and US punk here, but don't forget the most legendary Australian punk band, The Saints, who were putting out their best material in the late '70s and were hugely influential.
I'm pretty sure the saints wanted to be the Australian stooges judging from looks attitude but they were formed as early as Ramones earlier than Brit bands I always give them credit 🦘
I'm just happy to see someone talking about the Sex Pistols! One of the greatest bands to ever exist! So many other bands would not exist without their foundation!
I'd argue that the Buzzcocks and Black Flag are more important to the history of punk.
@@tombstonejones9581 Both are important, but one should note that the Buzzcocks formed after the members all met each other at a Sex Pistols concert. Without the Sex Pistols, the Buzzcocks literally wouldn’t exist. Neither would the Smiths or Joy Division, both formed after members saw the Sex Pistols
The Punk-o-Rama mixes are a great place to start. I found the 2nd volume at goodwill years ago and never looked back. The series start off with a 90s variety.
These starter kits are awesome. They introduce me to some bands I have not listened to.
7:41 - in 1981 Crass did release one listenable LP: "Penis Envy"! (Yes, that IS the title!) Tighter musicianship, clearer production and minimal obscene lyrics (!) it proved Crass could be accessible without "selling out". (Regular vocalist Steve Ignorant is not on this album- Eve Libertine does the bulk of the lead singing.)
Proto Punk: Blondie, New York Dolls, MC5
Punk: Ramones, Sex Pistols, Misfits
Oi! Punk: Cock Sparrer, Cockney Rejects, Angellic Upstarts
Streetpunk: Exploited, GBH, Varukers
Anarcho: Crass, Conflict, Subhumans
Crust: Doom, Nausea, Amebix
Skate: NOFX, Bad Religion, Pennywise
Pop: Buzzcocks, The Queers, Screeching Weasel
Streetpunk Revival: Casualties, Unseen, The Virus
NYHC: Agnostic Front, Bad Brains, Sick of It All
Super cool selection Finn - really enjoyed the history. Had a hard day with nerves staying on for hours snd This took my mind away from it - thank you so much for consistently brill content! 💎
The Danzig era Misfits songs were written by Glenn. I agree with you that those albums are excellent. I disagree about the Graves era however. I really enjoy those albums. I've seen him a couple times recently and he did a great job. Off topic a bit but how about Blitzkid? I feel they are a really underrated band.
Graves era was the last great era of the misfits besides the beginning with danzig
Ramones are the one band you can play for anyone and they'll have a great time. If someone isn't having fun, that's on them
The Jam will always be my number one punk band! In the City is my favorite punk album and song of all time, but All Mod Cons will be my number one Jam album! Love Paul Weller to death! Awesome guitarist/lyricist! And Bruce Foxton is a really talented bass player and one of my all time favorite bass players! Love The Jam more than The Clash! And my favorite UK punk band easily!
My dad gave me plastic surgery disasters when I was 14 and it shaped my musical interest forever. It’s one of my no skip albums and is a huge reason why I love hardcore and punk music today.
Glad to see Bad Religion on the thumbnail ;)
but finn is a corny poser cuz he actually thinks BR sucks.
he sits and talks about how awesome sum 41 and good Charlotte and blink 182 is, but he says bad religion isn't good.
Cramps and Damned were always my favorites
This is the 200 level music appreciation class everybody needs in community college. How to listen, not what to listent to.
Ironically i took a “‘music appreciation of rock and counter culture music” and our nerdy professor went on to talk about the ramones then start talking about DRI and Suicidal once the thrash and hardcore kids got together.
"Nuggets: Original Artyfacts from the First Psychedelic Era, 1965-1968" is an essential compilation. It's where all the 70s punkbands got their inspiration from. One of the most influential records in punk
Aside from the 70s stuff we have almost identical punk taste. You definitely dove way deeper into it all. Fun stuff ❤️ I would still listen to the misfits and NoFx out of all of these.
DK are one of the most consistent bands to me, every release is great. Jello is like a mad genius of some sort, his falsetto vocals are definitely something that's not for everyone though
I remember the first time I listened to Crass. I was hyping them up after seeing so many crass patches at shows and I was so disappointed by their sound lol but you are right they were ahead of their time lyrically
Crass sucks
As for Jello- I would say he is one of the great punk vocalists, the nature of his voice is perfect. I was standing behind him at a show (where Spazz shouted out to Finn in the crowd) and knew it was jello by his conversation
Cocksparrier might be the most underrated punk band ever. They are KILLER live too!
Classic Oi/Punk 👍🏻
So true!!!
Idles and Soul Glo are my favorite modern punk bands
Nimrod by Green Day on cassette was the first album I ever owned. That led me down a path to discovering The Ramones, Sex Pistols, NOFX, Bad Religion, Dead Kennedys and getting into thrashier, more hardcore stuff like The Exploited, Black Flag, Minor Threat, and Fugazi a bit later.
I think people hate the Pistols now because John Lydon is such a tool, and they were put together by a clothing store owner. But, the songs were great, any way you slice it.
Recently I listened to 4 skins and last Resort and I noticed how good they are, the arrangements are much more sophisticated, kind of as if they were going back to proto punk like Dictators and stooges, a lot of soul and r&b influence from the sixties too
“I heard Ramona sing and I heard everything”
They were definitely my gateway into punk rock.
With the Ramones, have people start with Leave Home. It's fast 3 chord music like the self titled, but better production.
Then the 4th album Road to Ruin, Johnny Ramone is adding a little metallic crunch to his riffs.
Everything afterwards has punk mixed with hard rock and metal, some even say hardcore as well.
early Misfits was great, I just hate how the low quality 80's hardcore punk recordings can't be fit on a playlist with anything else without having to change the volume during song switches constantly, but put on Walk Among Us and you can go through it with 0 skips.
I'd also throw The Stooges and Patty Smith into the starter pack. If the Sex Pistols, Ramones and the Clash are the fathers of modern punk, then Iggy Pop and Patty Smith are like the great-grandparents of punk. Really, nobody from that era of music (early-mid 1970s) sounded like them at all.
... and MC5
7 Seconds The Crew was my introduction to punk in the late 90's
Earth A.D imo.. is one the best punk album that i've ever heard. Still listen to that shit since i first discovered misfits back in 6th grade.
My biggest main introduction into Punk was MxPx....and man did they open a door for me
Does Finn make Spotify playlists for things like this?
It's Alive by the Ramones is probably my favourite live albums of all time. The energy is just incredible!
Finally I get to find out how to be punk! Thank you Finn!
Your prayers have been answered 🙌
@@FinnMckentyPRMBA Another great video Finn.
Thanks for highlighting DI, Nausea, and Cock Sparrer 🔥
Really glad to hear that you’re doing more videos about punk and hardcore again
Here's my Punk Starter Pack
The Jam
Ramones
The Damned
Misfits
Descendents
Bad Religion
Sex Pistols
The Clash
Stiff Little Fingers
X Ray Spex
Crass
The Exploited
NOFX
Alkaline Trio
Rise Against
Against Me
Rancid
MxPx
Pennywise
Anti-Flag
Generation X
Flammin' Groovies (punk according to Spotify)
The Adicts
The Adverts
Buzzcocks
GBH
Discharge
Anti Nowhere League
Amebix
Killing Joke
Joy Division
The Donnas
Blondie
The Stooges
The Runaways
MC 5
The Offspring
Social Distortion
The Stranglers
Sleater Kinney
Pup
The Spitfires
AFI
Minutemen
Bad Brains
Death
Fear
Bikini Kill
Rites of Spring
Sham 69
All
Joyce Manor
Trash Boat
Dead Kennedys
L7
Dropkick Murphys
Floggy Molly
Minor Threat
Turnstile
Adolescents
Green Day
Sum 41
That isn't a starter pack, that's a list of every band you could think of off the top of your head
Where's agent orange
Death? A bit confusing 😅
@@skippy8696 Not Chuck Schuldiner's Death, the awesome proto-punk band from the early 70s
@@fclefjefff4041 Ah, OK. Thanks for clearing that one up 👍
The first one I got was Punk O Rama 3. It broke me into it, and wow did I delve into the historical and have so much fun finding new bands all the time even to this day!!!!
‘Never Mind The Bollocks’ is a fun album, but the reality is the Sex Pistols were essentially a punk rock boy band. Put together by a crafty manager looking to make money after he’d fallen out with the New York Dolls, a genuine punk band who he’d been trying to exploit.
The talented Pistol was Glen Matlock, and once he’d gone, that was it as far as music was concerned. They could still do controversy and image and whatnot, but as for songwriting, forget it. See: ‘The Great Rock ‘n’ Roll Swindle’. Cringey as hell.
Lydon’s lyrics don’t have much to them. Fairly slapdash. ‘Anarchy In The UK’ simply demonstrates that he doesn’t know what anarchism is. The lyrics to ‘New York’ are laughable given as he accuses the New York Dolls of being an imitation of the Sex Pistols. That’s the New York Dolls who were formed in 1971. Apparently they were an imitation of the Sex Pistols who formed in 1976. Johnny Thunders’ ‘London Boys’ was an apt response.
So yeah… a fun enough album, but very overrated and mostly successful down to crafty marketing.
This exactly. ^
Agreed
@@LongGone77 the clash didn’t actually get together because of the pistols cause they came out either a year before or the same year as the pistols
@@LongGone77 Other bands being manufactured doesn’t really stop the Pistols being manufactured. That’s a bit of a stretch.
The Pistols weren’t simply a band with a manager. They were practically a walking talking advert for McClaren’s Sex shop.
What they’re mostly famous for is controversy and antics, with music being very much secondary. You can’t really say that about The Clash or the Stiff Little Fingers or the Ramones, who indeed, weren’t as DIY as people might imagine.
Let’s not pretend Sid Vicious was hired for his musical talent.
Like I said, ‘NMTB’ is a fun album, but very overrated. I’ve no doubt late seventies British punks (which was the end of the first wave) loved it, but it was likely the first punk band they’d ever heard given as punk had been largely an American phenomenon up until that point, with the closest British equivalent being pub rock.
@@CaptainAndy That's not really my point.
My point is that NEITHER band was "manufactured".....unless your idea of being "manufactured" is "forming with hopes of getting their music heard by a vast majority of people". In which case, all bands with aspirations of success are manufactured.
But what does "manufactured" even mean in this context? A friend offered them a place to practice and acted as a great promotions person? That's not exactly equated to a Hollywood Corporation putting out a casting call for young attractive teens to add to their talent pool ("Must have music and theatre background!")
And of course they weren't SIMPLY a band with a manager. They were an original, revolutionary, history-altering band with one of the most clever (albeit, scheming) managers in the history of music. That's why we're still talking about them despite only a single album being under their belt.
The reason I compare them to the Clash is because nobody even comes close to ragging on the Clash the same way as the Pistols, even though they both came together in a VERY similar manner. And really - it's no mystery WHY the Clash get a pass...... but I'll avoid that subject.
All that said, I agree with your last comment - and as a Canadian, I prefer North American punk over the UK stuff anyway (my favourite UK bands of that period are the Pistols, Boys, Lurkers and Wire). But I'm not going to play into this ridiculous notion that a band as revolutionary as the Pistols should just be written off as a "manufactured boy band" when there isn't a single band from the first wave who doesn't say they were floored upon first witnessing them. It strikes me as try-hard revisionism from people who want to downplay their significance cause they don't like John Lydon, and nothing more.
Michale Graves era Misfits is SUPERB
I like how punk can make an all time classic by recording the entire band with one $5 microphone and mixing the track in 10 seconds on a tascom 4 track.
Those tascam 4 tracks were so awesome. First recording unit I ever had
Props for mentioning Crass. I would love to see them be talked about more as a major band in the early punk scene. One of my favourite songs is What Now Columbus.
I'll argue that the whole "real punk" thing is what's stagnating the genera, the reason there is not great "real punk" after the 90's it's because the new and innovative stuff is frowned upon and called "not real punk". This was an amazing list Finn, thank you for your work.
Punk has a lot of gatekeeping bellends, who've decided their personal interpetation of what punk is, is some kind of universal truth. Generally though, they tend to dislike women, foreigners, and anyone who can write a tune.
Husker Du especially Zen arcade and candy apple grey is a wild and great evolution of what was going on in the scene.
Yo whoever said the thing about influential bands sounding generic is spitting facts. I had this same point when talking to someone about architects and djentcore.
I’ve thought about similar things and I feel like maybe it’s because whenever someone is influential, especially in music, they’re copied by those who are influenced them leading to that sound or whatever it is being out there more, thus hearing it more and making it generic since at that point everyone is doing it. Also could have to do with something being influential usually also means it’s more accessible to some degree. I could totally be wrong on this one just a thought I had
@@larrykeach you also have a great point! everyone is copying everyone to an extent. its just who does it best.
@@larrykeach I found myself defending Peal Jam at one point for the same reason. Creed did a lot of damage to PJ just by proxy.
@@6maniac6metal6 that’s actually super valid. That style became popular, Creed used it, everyone hated Creed so now they hate PJ
@@larrykeach Exactly. And I’m no Pearl Jam Stan or anything but that MTV unplugged version of Black deserves so much more love than it gets, one of the best live performances ever.
As a misfits fan i would suggest the static age album to begin with
I will never understand why people hate the Michale Graves stuff with the Misfits, Famous Monsters was hit after hit after hit, Michale was like 19 when he did it, he had a great voice, I love both eras for different reasons, but don't shit on the Graves stuff, he was a way more flexible vocalist, he was basically a pop singer and he could scream as well
I agree 💯. That group had a different sound than the original but I love all of it. Helena is probably my favorite Misfits song from both eras.
@@scottlame6724 exactly, Helena at the bridge is probably the best punk riff ever, Abominable Dr. Phibes, American Psycho, Dont Open til Doomsday, Dig up Her Bones, Lost in Space, Pumpkin Head, Kong Unleashed, Scarecrow Man, etc. All bangers
@@gasmaskestore8018 Speak of the Devil, Saturday Night, Descending Angel and more. I met Michale after a show a couple years ago, hell of a nice guy.
@@scottlame6724 right? What I believe is that the people who hate the Graves stuff is simply cause they havent listened to it, simple, the live act and visuals at the time was second to none, spoke to Michale when he came to Mexico and yeah top dude with fans, humble af, he told me and a friend that one of his biggest regrets in life was leaving the Misfits, he said he was too young and it was just too much for him at the time, he said he's been up for a reunion for years but Jerry does not want to split the loot, simple as that, my hope is that when Jerry and Danzig cant stand each other anymore, Graves will get the call, fingers still crossed
Graves isn't my kind of fella.... BUT, musically, his era is the only Misfits stuff I listen to regularly. I kind of hate Danzig.
D.I. was my favorite growing up and still is one of my favorites. I did not expect you to show them love. You rule for that
Controversial opinion: Graves era misfits is the best Misfits. It’s not “punk”, but it’s just good riffs and killer guitar tones and fun gang vocals and campy horror lyrics. And Graves is a better singer than Danzig. He has a haunting, ghoulish voice where Danzig just sounds like Elvis doing a Roy Orbison impression.
I don’t give a fuck, I’ll die on this hill.
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Let go of the technical critique and realize that the force was stronger with Glenn.
Sex Pistols are legendary! I got into Sex Pistols because of my dad he was a punk in his younger days!
I never got the memo in 1989 that said "Skate Punk now sounds like NOFX, not Suicidal Tendancies".
Dead Kennedy’s and Ramones always a good entry point! Sometimes you can start with The Clash if you’re really into pop music… that’s been my experience! I’m sure others have a different idea…
Crass is where I started and is still among my favorite bands. Have a Nice Day and Big A Little a changed my life.
The buzzcocks are a great band I love the exploited the misfits rancid black flag the clash suicidal tendencies nofx Lars Fredrickson and the bastards and the germs and the Sex Pistols and crass and the dead Kennedy’s and my all time favorite agent orange
I saw The Subhumans live in Baltimore years ago, Dick Lucas was outside the venue rolling cigarettes, I was like a 16 year old punk kid who was a big fan and wanted to say something. I went up to him and just said "Hey man, I really like your band..." and he nodded his head and said nothing else.
Great memory.
I think the very last band one could consider "punk" that would have brought something significant to the table would be Rise Against, but for the most part I think they picked up where bands like Bad Religion left off, and they're a touchy subject among the community so i can understand why you'd leave them out.
They are like the Metallica of melodic hardcore haha the first 4 albums are 100% grade a bangers and then they went "soft". I don't think they get the respect that they deserve from the punk community.
@@austind6546 Holy shit this is the most accurate comparison i have ever seen about them. But from some stories, apparently they started getting hate early on, especially because of their political views.