I'm really sick of audience playing a part in debates. It turns the conversation into a show of sexy statements instead of a place for ideas and logic.
I don't understand why people think a face to face debate is the best way to debate. Honestly, I think online debates are the best. No audiences. You type your point, click send. He types his point, click send. Face to face, in-person is not the best way for everything.
I've got to give Cenk credit here. He actually tried to make some logical arguments, and it was much to his credit. It was refreshing to see when most liberals would jump straight into emotional warefare. Ben is so fun to watch as he immediately identifies logical fallacies and contradictions.
He's bullshitting in regards to most of these facts.... Shapiro is arguing for the losing side, although obviously he's far better at debates than Cenk.
@Hogeyz like I just said...clapping for Cenk instead of booing like much of the audience did was a classy move. Also he just seems to be a pretty polite person overall
Quick tip for anyone who does or is gonna do some public speaking soon: Don't call the audience uninformed, and don't tell them to look stuff up. It comes off dislikeable and condescending. If anything, if you feel like they're not well versed in pertinent information that's vital to them understanding your point, have a short version of it ready to go, help them understand.
In just about every conversation I've had with a Dem they do that. They make an assertion. When I ask for evidence for that, they will say go look it up or that I would know if I wasn't stupid, or that it's common knowledge. What they will never do, is backup their comment.
Herein lies the irony. Ben has a thousand reasons to be incredibly arrogant, yet he's humble. Yet confident. Cenk is incredibly arrogant and condescending yet he's a buffoon.
"We're not dying from cancer we're dying from other things." Yes. Like being fat. 700k people die every year from heart disease in the US. I hate when people make comparisons between how much money is spent on the average American vs the average anyone else while failing to also mention that we're a grotesquely obese nation with terrible dietary habits. We're killing ourselves and to expect taxes to shoot up to probably 45% to cover the costs of so many unhealthy people is absurd.
@@yourdedcat-qr7ln with what part lol? We are grotesquely overweight and a huge margin of our Healthcare spending each year is due to obesity and the related conditions.
I am a Shapiro fan, but Cenk deserves some credit for debating Ben. Others didn't even wanted to bother: Milo Yaunnopoils procrastinated, AOC accused him of catcalling
@@AnimeZone247 he offers to debate others all the time. They all decline. So the only ones willing to debate him seem to be yes college students. You're right..
VeggyZ no sir that cannot be justified and no decent human would do anything of the sort, please do not spread incorrect information about turkish people, please I think you wore joking but child rape is not a funny topic.
Now this is the kind of civil constructive discourse we need more of. It use to be common in our nation to speak our minds to others that may or may not agree and work things out. I applaud both men for having the courage to debate their heart felt principles.
@@randyrenner7643calling the audience uninformed and telling them to "Google it" definitely wasn't the best look, but overall, it was extremely civil and productive for an hour long debate. It was infinitely more civil than what you'll see in our current political climate, if you see any debates at all. Our world would be in a much better place if people could actually speak to each other like this without attacking each other.
The fact that you think you can "win" a discussion shows that you aren't interested in solutions. One of these guys can talk so fast that the crowd doesn't understand what he's saying and the other one is completely arrogant and uncharismatic. Of course Ben wins. Both of these clowns do not have solutions, both are right at certain points and wrong at others, both of them sell you useless crap on their shows. They aren't interested in talking WITH each other, only AGAINST each other because both of them EARN MONEY from disagreeing. And that is fine in and of itself. However, people seem to think that these people are somehow legitimate political persons.
Yaldabaoth They were there to debate, not necessarily to have a balanced discussion. However, I still thought it was quite productive, seeing as I actually got to see a clear representation of Cenk's position. In his past debates, he would be all ad hominem and straw man, and this time he produced legitimate arguments. Both of them were very civil, considering the WWE style crowd, and the fact that they were debating.
If you're a braindead conservative who just accepts every piece of bullshit put in front of them, sure. Ben did talk really quickly and seemed to enjoy throwing half-truths out and the same economic theories the right marches out whenever they have a chance. If you actually think as a rational human being, you'll see that Ben's arguments are, at best, suspect and, more likely, straight up fantasy. Just like always, idiot voter bases like you just choose the man who presents himself as knowledgeable or right, rather than actually listen to what's being said or do any independent research. (Or thought, for that matter)
I have a hard time giving him credit. I think his willingness to debate Ben says more about what he thinks his level of intelligence is. He grossly overestimated that IMO.
I could give him credit if he hadn't walked up to the podium and IMMEDIATELY committed to asserting himself as an ass. And maintained that persona the entire time. He was like a terrible stand up comedian who just keeps going, and blames the crowd for not getting the joke if no one laughs. Never heard of this guy before watching this but holy freakin ego.
The moment you start insulting the intellectual level of people you disagree with or yelling GOOGLE IT as an answer..... is the undeniable moment you have lost a debate/conversation.
Robert Huseby funny how “corporations won’t create new jobs”and then trump with the tax break now we have the lowest unemployment rate of all time and the economy is booming😂🤦♂️
Octavio Dominguez Leftists will just say that its all because of policies Obama implemented during his time in office and they’re just now starting to take effect
Trevor McCune And it’s hilarious because Obama himself said “Trump is delusional if he thinks he can bring back jobs to America,what does he have a magic wand?”and now look I guess he did since unemployment is at an all time low for the past 50 years.
Uygur discredited himself when he didn’t have a response and began lashing out at the audience. He’s very intelligent but the moment was too big for him in that instance.
Not to mention how Ben would constantly educate both the audience AND Cenk on matters important to the topic at hand, whereas Cenk would just repeat "Google it" over and over again.
@Eggroll321 Ben will never debate AOC, because he is not a bully. He has more class than to pick on a toddler. Which is what AOC is compared to Shapiro. #Shapiro2024
I love that he uses the phrase "look it up", yet he rarely gives any facts that are able to be checked. He gives opinions and theories and as for theories, if you look them up, they are pretty crappy theories that can be taken down using logic and actual facts.
There are things Ben Shapiro says that make me object because they seem so black and white and cold. But, when I try to think of a logical rebuke to them, I realize my objection comes entirely from a place of emotion and sentimentality. Facts suck sometimes, lol.
Yea, he really dropped the ball with that. He had his 5 talking points or whatever he loves to default to so he can talk fast to sound knowledgeable and quickly spew nonsense and confuse his dumbass fans. Meanwhile, Cenk lost the second he agreed to talk to this conservative robot with no actual independent thoughts. I was looking forward to a debate, but we got one person actually debating and another trying to filibuster the same smoke and mirrors BS we've seen from conservative politicians for decades.
care to explain what part of what ben said was 'nonsense', or are you just a butthurt liberal who cant articulate his feelings so he defaults to attacking the speaker
Vazzaroth.. Ben does talk fast. Some of his points were very minor and he lost track of the major points why socialization of healthcare "insurance" is grossly unfair and has no place in a free society with property rights. On what point in the Constitution does the mob/majority have the right to confiscated the incomes of others for their own personal gain like healthcare insurance? The majority liked labor slavery the same way. Now they go after financial slavery with zero conscience. The Constitution was setup to protect the individual from the wants and needs of both the mob and government.
Vazzaroth... actually talking fast is a defense mechanism when Ben is nervous from not being properly prepared. The problem was Ben kept letting Cenk drag him off on corporate taxation etc instead of staying on why Cenk demanded not "medical care" as a right but "insurance". The position for entitlement medical "insurance" is not defensible. Ben had to stay on that because you are subsidizing a standard of living and not medical treatment with insurance. The real problem is not free healthcare for all. The problems are: - $200 trillion in unfunded liabilities. - 93 million Americans not in the workforce. - Only 47% of working adults have a full-time job. - 46 million Americans on food stamps for 39-straight months. - 65% of children living in America live in a household on federal aid. - 1 in 5 Americans participate in a government assistance program. - 1 in 4 Americans, 25-54, not in the labor force. - 11 million Americans on disability. - 150 million Americans pay NO federal income tax. Solve serveral of these and most can afford their own insurance.
That young Turd always tries to be funny and just makes a fool of himself. I watched TyT channel twice, just to see if the first shitpile was a one time thing but nope, he's always like that, every time he said something he would do an impression or little scene like everyone is a fool except him. Sorry but he's a fool. Yes, sometimes he says a common sense fact but even a blind squirrel gets a nut now and then. Ben makes a WHOLE lot more sense than Turk.
32:00 He said they would pass tax reform and Ben said they wouldn't. Cenk was right. 28:00 Ben talking about how the wealthy and corporations should get the money to reinvest instead of middle and poor class getting it too spend. But when the lower classes spend the money it DOES go to the rich because the OWN the factors of production
Anomaly it's funny that cenk sucked off Obama who literally did nothing during his presidency except the ACA and then he complained about corporations keeping money in offshore tax Havens to avoid corporate tax which was pretty much a practice that led to the uncontrolled growth of 5 companies in the US during the .com boom. It was trump that ended this. Lol
New King James, Cenk is actually debating? I thought he was just looking for the Guinness Book of World Records record in the most ad hominem per debate.
This was AMAZING! Everyone who lives and breathes in America should view and think about the content of this debate. One question- was there MORE? The video seems to cut off at the end.
Nothing he said answered the question he was asked. It was obvious he was floundering and wanted to try and get the crowd to cheer him so he could feel like he had a great finish. It seemed like most of the people didn't buy it
You know, compared to Cenk's other debates, this was his best performance in terms of acting respectably and talking about policy. Still wasn't enough to stop the Hebrew Hammer though.
Props to the moderator for letting the two have at it. Imagine if this were on CNN or Fox with some jerkoff constantly trying to interject to get camera time.
It is never good to look down on audience during debates. How can anyone do this? If you cannot explain your idea to make it understandable to audience, you lose.
He actually did pretty good? He was calm cool, and confident. I can see Ben's irritation and anger and a little bit loosing control. Cenk gave him a run. It was a good debate. I learned above all that both parties are corrupt lol!
Set it up as some kind of tournament/bracket thing, where as he goes along he has more 'murdered by words' victims left in his wake, climbing higher and higher. For the first/warmup round, we can 'feed' AOC to him (unless that might actually slow him down...?)
Is anyone else finding the audio broken for this video? It only plays out of one AirPod but not the other. Not having this issue with any other Shen Bapiro videos.
I would've loved to have watched this all the way through, without yelling, screaming and booing. I love educated debates . This is hard to watch with the crowd. You never insult the other side, Ben didn't, audience did. Different venue. I've watched all of Hitchens, no one yelled like a rock concert. People came to learn. Shut up and maybe, just maybe you'll learn something. Which I think they'd both for, learning. Imagine that?
@@Shifty2100 I noticed that but I also noticed that the audience im assuming hens side would slightly boo him when he said some so it led to him insulting them
Cenks audience cheered for him when he didn't say anything valid. Cenk also actively insulted the audience and called them uneducated. Did you even watch the video?
Lol this is a stupid comment and doesn't deserve any attention. I dunno why I'm typing. They're not there to entertain the audience. You make them sound like stand up comedians lol. They're there to express ideas, with reason. It's obvious that the audience there is not very bright. He lost his cool. He shouldn't have.
Rishvik Chanda They are there to debate policy and ideologies but to pretend that Politicon didn’t invite them to entertain the audience is nonsense. The audience should be solely entertained on the debate alone but they are there to be entertained and that’s what Politicon tries to provide them.
Thats a liberal defense. When you can come up with anything, you insult your opponent saying they're stupid and keep an elitist attitude. This is just another example.
That moderator did a terrible job steering the conversation the way he wanted it, but that was actually a good thing since the actual conversation was so much better.
Honestly, he did a terrible job moderating, but I suppose it's hard to display a lack of bias while simultaneously HAVING to cut SOMEBODY off somewhere and let the other have the last word
Bro the audience has such short attention spans. Cenk: says some basic thing and sometimes doesn't get it all out Audience: for some reason applauds. Like ten times in his statement. Ben: says something factual and that isn't deflecting or not answering the question Audience: waits til the end to applaud but at least he can get his point out
My husband works 70 hours per week and pays taxes, and he, myself, and our 2 children are in perfect health. Yet we can't afford the healthcare offered. It upsets me that the next door neighbor doesn't work and their children have full coverage free healthcare. When we tried to budget the $300/week for healthcare, we were left with $100 grocery money per week. We don't have a car payment. We don't go out to eat or on vacations. How is this right?
I bet you could afford it before Obamacare was implemented. You now work more to pay for everyone else and loose your insurance. I am in the same boat 😢
Also, life decisions you make when you’re young, often dictate how your future will go. There are some instances where this is not true, but I feel as though this is not one of those instances.
The audience wouldn't let him fucking speak or explain his position without booing. Don't forget the couple times they booed shapiro as well. Ben yelled out misrepresentations and false assumptions that are wrong on their base.
Andrew Cox the thing is, if we’re going with “fuck it”, there needs to be a system that drastically reduces healthcare costs to the point of almost halving it, most other developed countries with universal healthcare pay about half per capita of people in the US for it. Obviously there’s the decrease in quality coming from that, but not to the extent of halving the quality. Bens idea of cutting regulation would have to do a fucking lot in order to fix healthcare costs
Tyler Berks agreed fam. The amount of people that I know that pay for a premium and RARELY need to use it should be rewarded for not having to use their insurance. But what do we know 🤷🏽♂️
Choppa Rob I mean, I live in the U.K. mate, so I get my free healthcare (got to flex), so I don’t have any stories like that. Free healthcare isn’t perfect in any way, but it seems better than the US model currently
@@tylerberks2756 And if you needed elected heart surgery or brain surgery, you're more than likely going to have to wait, in front of other people, even if you COULD afford to pay.
50:05 Chenk says, "Life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness." Ben said the correct phrase, "life, liberty, and property." And they both agreed earlier that money is property. (BTW, I'm saying that "property is the correct term 1) because it was the original thought, 2) it has actual meaning in terms of what government can do, and 3) it was only replaced with "pursuit of happiness" to avoid the conversation of how slaves aren't property.)
I was 4 rows up here. I remember Ben first walking on stage and being utterly shocked most of the crowd stood up to give him the credit he deserves. His face was in disbelief, it was awesome.
Hi.. Is Housing really a Nationalised subsidy in SA? Because Ben's argument would also be a common thread running through Nationalized Health Care as well as Socialist policies on accommodation. How does it work?
Is he now? There are plenty of good doctors, you just have to pay their rate. Americans face the same problem. They need to continually chase more wealth to keep paying for better services. Capitalism is a disease.
@@maahierabrahams4493 lol socialized medicine is a disease. Good for when you have a cold but when you have a real medical issue you are on the wait list until it's serious. Nearly one year to see a neurologist gtfo man
@@Snubrevolver My point is if you want the best doctors you pay privately. That's the same for everyone no matter where you live or whether you have socialized healthcare or not. If you want the best doctors you need bank. "GTFO"
@@maahierabrahams4493 yes because becoming a doctor is an extremely expensive and time consuming thing to do , you are not entitled to the doctors services for free .
Speaking as a life-long Democrat, I can honestly say that Ben Shapiro is a class act. He understands that healthy debate is absolutely critical to our survival as a nation.
Pulse Gaming he loves a good debate :) and this guy, who I largely disagree with, definitely made some good points and was almost able to keep up with Ben haha :) he's got my respect
Literally why I have time for Shapiro, I may not agree with him on a lot but he shows and receives respect, regardless of the ideological differences between him and his opponents/interviewees
Michael Weber agreed, i especially don't like when Mr.Shapiro lets religion get in the way of his thinking. I find he's spot on with his research on most topics, and then when it is something like Abortion, he throws logic out the window and makes appeal to emotion fallacies etc. Cognitive dissonance?
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I wish the audience would have been instructed to refrain from booing and cheering. That constant noise, booing and cheering, were very distracting and also obviously interfered with all speaker’s train of thought. These are important, complex issues people need to continue to think about and discuss.
" they just buy a yacht" - Cenk. Ideally..... Yacht built by American workers, from supplies all the way down the supply chain. Think of all the jobs, from the lumberjack, to the chrome factory worker, to the miner, and the salesman who made commission on the sale, and spent his money on hamburgers, for homeless people in LA because higher taxes drove them to homelessness.
@@Hi_There_E246 i saw the first five minutes of the video and unfortunately the real world doesn't work like this. You cant have the government set the prices on medicine and expect that the government would stop there. This suggestion would mean that the government would have to make financial audits on the entire healthcare system and tell hospitals what they can profit on all aspects of healthcare, not just medicine. This suggestion is completely made in hindsight without knowing the full picture of how the healthcare system works and all the costs involved hence my comment. I won't even watch the rest of the video since the first two points are most likely made with pure belief that the world should be a fair place and it's not. FYI - Canada care is not as great as they want you to think it is. I have plenty of friends who live in Canada and its like the VA healthcare system out here.
@@christianeichmueller8637 not true, People living in Germany who have to pay thousands per month for AIDS treatment which includes their medicine. Sure its much lower than the US, but its not 50 times cheaper, its only about 50% less. That's roughly only $8,000 year per patient at 50%, if they cant afford $8,000 than they probably cant afford $16,000. Its still not working in other countries, don't pretend like its heaven there.
The socialist countries you've listed get free medical research by piggybacking off of the United States and have 10% of our population so 1, they have less people to take care of, and 2, they don't have to pay billions of dollars for a medication because America has already done it and gives it to the rest of the world as a generic drug. Stay in school, you'll get it eventually. And btw, before you begin to bash me, I work for Syneos Health in southeastern NC and this is what I do for a living.
My brother in law had to wait almost 9 months for an elective surgery for Sweden and my mother in law pays extra for supplemental private coverage to get better coverage in Sweden. When she was in the regular hospital, she was one of 8 people in a huge co-ed ward. With my private insurance I get my own room as does my daughter who is often in the hospital. I do agree that severely disabled people should have help from the state.
Josue Rivera Fascinating how history has a liberal bias. Shapiro has a disillusioned version of history of labor, economics, and politics. Sorry, truth is not always a pleasant thing
@@mrg1353 Absolutely. But when I talk to my friends who are of the far left they tend to say things that expose their sense of superiority. Things like "I used to think like you" and "You don't really understand socialism" Things like that.
Jordan that is subjective but i do see where you’re coming from i wouldn’t generalize an entire group of people though over your friends. to be fair tho i find the far left and far right equally disgusting imo
Bro, Why is this panned L & R?!?! If politicon needs an audio engineer I'd love to make these debates sound great on all devices:) I love hearing both sides
Yeah, that must be what it is. The vast majority of people that think Cenk embarrassed himself must be Shapiro fanboys. Otherwise it would make your assessment of the debate wrong, which can't be possible, right?
@@angelavila9452 fr all these Ben fetishists much be coming from a different debate. Cenk refuted contradiction and misrepresentation after contradiction and misrepresentation. Every time Cenk pointed out one of Ben's MANY fallacies the crowed boos him. News flash guys, if you are using logical fallacies in your debate you are losing the debate
For those who don't know, a staw man fallacy is when someone extremely exaggerates a point someone is making and then attacks the extreme exaggeration as a means of garnering opposition from an audience toward the person he or she is arguing against. Some of you will go away with this definition saying, "I shouldn't do that." Others will say, "A new weapon in my arsenal." I say the latter pile more chains upon themselves. Some don't see the fallacy as a fallacy, and in some ways they're right, because sometimes the straw man fallacy works very well on an unsuspecting opponent and an unsuspecting audience.
It's funny because when Crowder interviewed Ben after his debate he asked him if he saw him doing his cenk impression when cenk was talking. Lol... "Right?" "Right?" "Ok, ok look" "just Google it" lol
I'm leaving a dislike because of the audio. I'm only hearing audio in the left ear, but other Windows-produced sounds come through my headphones in stereo. If the original recording was in mono and you're publishing it as stereo, you should duplicate the audio to both the left and right channels.
Ryan Michelz Cenk in this debate never seemed to share his ideas with anyone or debate and he only ever listened to his own voice is what others are saying
I'm really sick of audience playing a part in debates. It turns the conversation into a show of sexy statements instead of a place for ideas and logic.
This is american culture thing, you gotta shout and yell at everything
Yes, I'd rather the entire thing just be filmed in a separate room. You're always going to get a few idiots that want to scream about everything.
i couldnt agree with you more
That's what I hate most about politics in America. It's like people think they're at a sporting event.
I don't understand why people think a face to face debate is the best way to debate. Honestly, I think online debates are the best. No audiences. You type your point, click send. He types his point, click send. Face to face, in-person is not the best way for everything.
Ben "My Wife is a Doctor" Shapiro vs Cenk "Google it" Uygur
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What's fucking funny is that Google debunks his(Cenk's)statements.
i love this comment
Cenk "BULLSHIT" Uygur and Ben "Facts Don't Care About Your Feelings" Shapiro.
OF COURSE!!!
Ben “you just want to steal my wife’s services” Shapiro
How to lose a debate 101: insult the audience
Phenomenal debate. Far better than any presidential debate we’ve seen in quite some time, unfortunately.
I've got to give Cenk credit here. He actually tried to make some logical arguments, and it was much to his credit. It was refreshing to see when most liberals would jump straight into emotional warefare. Ben is so fun to watch as he immediately identifies logical fallacies and contradictions.
@@shawnbadger2737the big brown 🦬 gets no credit. You’re ignorant of just how awful he is.
Watching this at 75% makes Ben sound normal and Cenk sound like he's trying to convince you he's not drunk.
That's very true
Damn now I got it i always went back and heard ben again to understand now i see i have to slow it down
Holy crap your right funny
Haha. Comment of the year!
True!
One thing I can say about Ben Shapiro is he can cram 400 facts into 60 seconds.
Lol. You speak the truth.
Which is more that Cenk fit into this whole debate
@Jesse Pinkman Nope.
@Jesse Pinkman what? It's lies because you're too lazy to fact check?
He's bullshitting in regards to most of these facts.... Shapiro is arguing for the losing side, although obviously he's far better at debates than Cenk.
I like how Shapiro clapped for his opponent when he walked on stage. Just goes to show that being classy always puts you in a good light.
Shapiro voice is so irritating..sounds like he's on helium 😳
@@ruthiemonroig1614 has nothing to do with what I said but ok
@Hogeyz disagree
@Hogeyz like I just said...clapping for Cenk instead of booing like much of the audience did was a classy move. Also he just seems to be a pretty polite person overall
@Hogeyz give. The context of what he said your comment is pretty idiotic
Quick tip for anyone who does or is gonna do some public speaking soon: Don't call the audience uninformed, and don't tell them to look stuff up. It comes off dislikeable and condescending. If anything, if you feel like they're not well versed in pertinent information that's vital to them understanding your point, have a short version of it ready to go, help them understand.
In just about every conversation I've had with a Dem they do that. They make an assertion. When I ask for evidence for that, they will say go look it up or that I would know if I wasn't stupid, or that it's common knowledge. What they will never do, is backup their comment.
@@CG-vn8iy Their facts might even be straight, but the attitude kills any good faith we might have had going into the conversation.
@@Light-Rock97 when he did that I felt almost palpable embarrassed for him. He looked like he had no idea to what extent he was embarrassing himself
@@marteumar8429 He was a little flustered.
Herein lies the irony. Ben has a thousand reasons to be incredibly arrogant, yet he's humble. Yet confident. Cenk is incredibly arrogant and condescending yet he's a buffoon.
How to Gain Crowd Support:
Step 1: Insult the crowd by telling them that they lack logical skills
Step 2: Watch the support flow in
LOL!
Saw your comment as I was watching it
i noticed
@Boys Of The Bay and Cenk apparently...
@@spacedawg0073 SAME
To those who think that Cenk “won” this debate... “Google it” is not a winning argument.
I googled who won the debate. Turns out it was Ben. Somone should tell Cenk.
Google is biased.
@@rosstemple7617 You're a genius.
Ben Shapiro won the debate but Cenk Uygur was right on the issues
Ross Temple you are right they are biased! What you don’t realize is they are biased against us for people like you and Uygur!
"We're not dying from cancer we're dying from other things."
Yes. Like being fat.
700k people die every year from heart disease in the US.
I hate when people make comparisons between how much money is spent on the average American vs the average anyone else while failing to also mention that we're a grotesquely obese nation with terrible dietary habits. We're killing ourselves and to expect taxes to shoot up to probably 45% to cover the costs of so many unhealthy people is absurd.
I disagree with this
@@yourdedcat-qr7ln with what part lol? We are grotesquely overweight and a huge margin of our Healthcare spending each year is due to obesity and the related conditions.
@@Bigtimeshrimp people should eat healthy if they don't or cant. Help them
@@yourdedcat-qr7ln “don’t or can’t” what if they don’t want to which most of them don’t 😂
@@Inapainting regardless give them the opportunity and encourage them
I am a Shapiro fan, but Cenk deserves some credit for debating Ben. Others didn't even wanted to bother: Milo Yaunnopoils procrastinated, AOC accused him of catcalling
@moderncuck I’m sure you’re up to your waste in it “modern savage” buhah, use your real name pussy
@Modern Savage25 dude straight up called the audience uneducated.. he's a moron.
The only people he debates is college students so :/
@@AnimeZone247 he offers to debate others all the time. They all decline. So the only ones willing to debate him seem to be yes college students. You're right..
Jared Tandle why do you think other people are not willing to debate him
this is why you hire a jewish lawyer and not a turkish lawyer. LOL.
MultiJono86 no wonder conservatives dislike jews
edymasta Ben is more of a conservative though is definitely a moderate
edymasta I’m conservative and I like Jews
VeggyZ no sir that cannot be justified and no decent human would do anything of the sort, please do not spread incorrect information about turkish people, please I think you wore joking but child rape is not a funny topic.
edymasta Ben is a Jew
This isn’t a debate, it’s cenk saying stuff and Ben correcting him
Now this is the kind of civil constructive discourse we need more of. It use to be common in our nation to speak our minds to others that may or may not agree and work things out. I applaud both men for having the courage to debate their heart felt principles.
Cenk was "civil"?
Civil discourse is dead now
@@randyrenner7643calling the audience uninformed and telling them to "Google it" definitely wasn't the best look, but overall, it was extremely civil and productive for an hour long debate. It was infinitely more civil than what you'll see in our current political climate, if you see any debates at all. Our world would be in a much better place if people could actually speak to each other like this without attacking each other.
@@moistman3110 should have called them racist instead aye
Ben absolutely fucking won this one
The fact that you think you can "win" a discussion shows that you aren't interested in solutions. One of these guys can talk so fast that the crowd doesn't understand what he's saying and the other one is completely arrogant and uncharismatic. Of course Ben wins. Both of these clowns do not have solutions, both are right at certain points and wrong at others, both of them sell you useless crap on their shows. They aren't interested in talking WITH each other, only AGAINST each other because both of them EARN MONEY from disagreeing. And that is fine in and of itself. However, people seem to think that these people are somehow legitimate political persons.
Yaldabaoth It's a debate, not a discussion. And well, nothing wrong with selling stuff on their shows, they do own it.
Yaldabaoth They were there to debate, not necessarily to have a balanced discussion. However, I still thought it was quite productive, seeing as I actually got to see a clear representation of Cenk's position. In his past debates, he would be all ad hominem and straw man, and this time he produced legitimate arguments. Both of them were very civil, considering the WWE style crowd, and the fact that they were debating.
If you're a braindead conservative who just accepts every piece of bullshit put in front of them, sure. Ben did talk really quickly and seemed to enjoy throwing half-truths out and the same economic theories the right marches out whenever they have a chance.
If you actually think as a rational human being, you'll see that Ben's arguments are, at best, suspect and, more likely, straight up fantasy.
Just like always, idiot voter bases like you just choose the man who presents himself as knowledgeable or right, rather than actually listen to what's being said or do any independent research. (Or thought, for that matter)
vazzaroth triggered!
Gotta give Cenk Uygur some credit, most people wouldn't debate Shapiro even if offered money.
I have a hard time giving him credit. I think his willingness to debate Ben says more about what he thinks his level of intelligence is. He grossly overestimated that IMO.
Cenk is an egotistical moron. He didn’t take this opportunity because he’s brave, he took it because he’s arrogant.
I could give him credit if he hadn't walked up to the podium and IMMEDIATELY committed to asserting himself as an ass. And maintained that persona the entire time. He was like a terrible stand up comedian who just keeps going, and blames the crowd for not getting the joke if no one laughs. Never heard of this guy before watching this but holy freakin ego.
I would do it for free
True Mark, give him credit for that.
The minute he said “go look it up!” He lost all credibility.
Cenk got absolutely DESTROYED. What a complete ID10t
You know who is losing the debate, when he is attacking the audience.
3 minutes in and he mentioned his wife's a doctor!!!! THATS MY MAN!
You can Google it
KaceMusic She’s pretty too. Jealous?
She’s a doctor!!!!
@@creemyice Good thing you didn't marry her.
They were talking about health care 😂 Why wouldn't he?
The moment you start insulting the intellectual level of people you disagree with or yelling GOOGLE IT as an answer..... is the undeniable moment you have lost a debate/conversation.
Robert Huseby funny how “corporations won’t create new jobs”and then trump with the tax break now we have the lowest unemployment rate of all time and the economy is booming😂🤦♂️
Robert Huseby couldn’t agree more 👍
Octavio Dominguez Leftists will just say that its all because of policies Obama implemented during his time in office and they’re just now starting to take effect
Trevor McCune And it’s hilarious because Obama himself said “Trump is delusional if he thinks he can bring back jobs to America,what does he have a magic wand?”and now look I guess he did since unemployment is at an all time low for the past 50 years.
Chunk is a Buffoon of a bully, trying to pass himself off as a 1/3 intellectual. He’s a fraud.
Cenk: “We’re dying from other things! We’re not healthy!”
Audience: “Woooo!”
Lololol
The fat woman in the front was going crazy😂
Uygur discredited himself when he didn’t have a response and began lashing out at the audience. He’s very intelligent but the moment was too big for him in that instance.
Yeah, insult your audience, that's always a surefire way to win them over.
I've never seen someone insult the audience during a debate so much.
Yeah it is probably the worst thing you can do. If you want to convince people you are correct, the last thing you want to do is insult them.
Welcome to the modern left. Been going strong with that strategy since The Daily Show with Jon Stewart.
Not to mention how Ben would constantly educate both the audience AND Cenk on matters important to the topic at hand, whereas Cenk would just repeat "Google it" over and over again.
Yeah, that's what people do when they start winning the argument lol.
That was pure crass. So disrespectful on his part and he's attempting to come across as being a champion for the people.
We need to have him debate AOC
Egg Roll321 I wish dog. She won’t ever debate him because she knows exactly what will happen 😂
Egg Roll321 sToP cAtCaLliNg BeN
It won't be a debate. It will be a complete beatdown.
She’s too scared
@Eggroll321 Ben will never debate AOC, because he is not a bully. He has more class than to pick on a toddler. Which is what AOC is compared to Shapiro. #Shapiro2024
I love that he uses the phrase "look it up", yet he rarely gives any facts that are able to be checked. He gives opinions and theories and as for theories, if you look them up, they are pretty crappy theories that can be taken down using logic and actual facts.
There are things Ben Shapiro says that make me object because they seem so black and white and cold. But, when I try to think of a logical rebuke to them, I realize my objection comes entirely from a place of emotion and sentimentality. Facts suck sometimes, lol.
Ben Shapiro: crowd cheers
Cenk Uygur: crowd boos
I think that means we're finally getting somewhere.
Xoloseof Hammertail most likely
Good 2 see
Brian Muslims are more of a problem than zionists
8 bitter yup.... that’s why you have trump in power and your government is a wasteland now... bravo
This shit felt like a WWE match.
They should have had entrance music
Yea, he really dropped the ball with that. He had his 5 talking points or whatever he loves to default to so he can talk fast to sound knowledgeable and quickly spew nonsense and confuse his dumbass fans. Meanwhile, Cenk lost the second he agreed to talk to this conservative robot with no actual independent thoughts. I was looking forward to a debate, but we got one person actually debating and another trying to filibuster the same smoke and mirrors BS we've seen from conservative politicians for decades.
care to explain what part of what ben said was 'nonsense', or are you just a butthurt liberal who cant articulate his feelings so he defaults to attacking the speaker
Vazzaroth.. Ben does talk fast. Some of his points were very minor and he lost track of the major points why socialization of healthcare "insurance" is grossly unfair and has no place in a free society with property rights. On what point in the Constitution does the mob/majority have the right to confiscated the incomes of others for their own personal gain like healthcare insurance?
The majority liked labor slavery the same way. Now they go after financial slavery with zero conscience. The Constitution was setup to protect the individual from the wants and needs of both the mob and government.
Vazzaroth... actually talking fast is a defense mechanism when Ben is nervous from not being properly prepared. The problem was Ben kept letting Cenk drag him off on corporate taxation etc instead of staying on why Cenk demanded not "medical care" as a right but "insurance". The position for entitlement medical "insurance" is not defensible. Ben had to stay on that because you are subsidizing a standard of living and not medical treatment with insurance. The real problem is not free healthcare for all. The problems are:
- $200 trillion in unfunded liabilities.
- 93 million Americans not in the workforce.
- Only 47% of working adults have a full-time job.
- 46 million Americans on food stamps for 39-straight months.
- 65% of children living in America live in a household on federal aid.
- 1 in 5 Americans participate in a government assistance program.
- 1 in 4 Americans, 25-54, not in the labor force.
- 11 million Americans on disability.
- 150 million Americans pay NO federal income tax.
Solve serveral of these and most can afford their own insurance.
I really wish Presidential debates were more like this.
Name me a program where government actually provides cheaper services.
I’m a huge Ben Shapiro fan... but jeez he really wasn’t kidding when he said “facts don’t care about your feelings”😂 haha
@Aesthetic Decision he is ed-jew-cated
That's what I like most about him... Also the format in which he delivers his retorts to question. Quick, straight forward, and effective.
Dink Wanker and the young turds.
That young Turd always tries to be funny and just makes a fool of himself. I watched TyT channel twice, just to see if the first shitpile was a one time thing but nope, he's always like that, every time he said something he would do an impression or little scene like everyone is a fool except him. Sorry but he's a fool. Yes, sometimes he says a common sense fact but even a blind squirrel gets a nut now and then. Ben makes a WHOLE lot more sense than Turk.
cenk was absolutely obliterated, poor guy. And I even googled it
He actually held his ground until the end than he got destroyed.
Not A Troll is that English?
@@elinikolai7493 held the ground? what do you think he will do jump in the water...the buffalo got slaughtered Period
32:00 He said they would pass tax reform and Ben said they wouldn't. Cenk was right.
28:00 Ben talking about how the wealthy and corporations should get the money to reinvest instead of middle and poor class getting it too spend. But when the lower classes spend the money it DOES go to the rich because the OWN the factors of production
Anomaly it's funny that cenk sucked off Obama who literally did nothing during his presidency except the ACA and then he complained about corporations keeping money in offshore tax Havens to avoid corporate tax which was pretty much a practice that led to the uncontrolled growth of 5 companies in the US during the .com boom. It was trump that ended this. Lol
Wow this is the first time I've seen this one. Very good debate. I wish we had more like this.
This debate is the exact reason why don’t have more, debating facts vs feelings isn’t going to end well
Why would you even attempt to step on the stage with Ben? The guy is on another level.
A league of his own. Incomparable. 🙌
Have you seen the Jordan Peterson and Ben Conversation?. That was Heavy. Those 2 really respect each other.
Have you ever seen Andrew Neil interview on him?
Haven't been this excited for a show since Saturday morning cartoons.
I can't stand the way Cenk debates.
this is the left, all emotion and insults.
He actually started off well but then he just got into the "OF COURSE!!!!" and well.. that was that
New King James Google it!!! Ha ha
New King James, Cenk is actually debating? I thought he was just looking for the Guinness Book of World Records record in the most ad hominem per debate.
he is such a fucking arrogant prick. all he does is say to look shit up and insult you for not following his flawed logic.
This was AMAZING! Everyone who lives and breathes in America should view and think about the content of this debate. One question- was there MORE? The video seems to cut off at the end.
Ben just destroyed Cenk big time.
"it's called AMERICA!"
saying that after babbling nonsense for 2 minutes does not complete a point, nor automatically make it valid.
Nothing he said answered the question he was asked. It was obvious he was floundering and wanted to try and get the crowd to cheer him so he could feel like he had a great finish. It seemed like most of the people didn't buy it
Dude, it's America, Google it!
You know, compared to Cenk's other debates, this was his best performance in terms of acting respectably and talking about policy. Still wasn't enough to stop the Hebrew Hammer though.
Depends on what their discussing about though. Because I'd think they have quite some significant points of agreement between eachother.
Agree with all this
lmao the hebrew hammer
Shapiro is a defender of the military industrial complex, Wall Street, & 1%. He's a corporatist tool & trumptard
Hebrew Hammer! Best line on this comment section!
They need to redo this debate
Ben is tooooo much for this guy.. for most people. In fact, you’d be silly to think you could debate against him and not look silly.
Why do you make it sound like a shitty wrestling match?
Cenk won and I vote Republican
@jesp1423 won which part lol
@@anneharo001 Watch the debate, fanboy
@jesp1423 what a twat. Ask for some context and you don't know what to say. 🤏🏻
My left ear really enjoyed this
Michelle Rekuc thank you was wondering it it was just me lol
Well I don't know how but it was my right ear.
Thank you, I thought my UA-cam broke.
I had to keep switching ears so i could feel some equality in my hearing. XD
I had to switch to another video to make sure my headphones still worked Lol!
Props to the moderator for letting the two have at it. Imagine if this were on CNN or Fox with some jerkoff constantly trying to interject to get camera time.
Cause he knows Ben is going to shit all over him😂
It is never good to look down on audience during debates. How can anyone do this? If you cannot explain your idea to make it understandable to audience, you lose.
My left ear enjoyed this
This is an underrated comment.
I wanna say its because your headphone is broken...but I've been seeing it a lot on political debates...
Mike Pepe i checked theyre fine
Same, I went and listened to music to check.. guess my left ear paid more for this broadcast.
@@Swattintanks yep mine are fine too, yet my left ear is the only one with audio
Why isn't Ben in handcuffs right now for animal abuse. It's clear as day that he beat a water buffalo in this video.
TO DEATH NO LESS! HOW CAN SUCH A BRUTAL ACT NOT BE A CRIME?
🤣🤣🤣
😂😂😂
👉🏻👌🏻 👍🏻
Lmfao
The audio quality makes me search for other coverages.
Thanks!
He wasn’t brave for debating Ben Shapiro. He’s a fool for debating Ben Shapiro
I agree but it wasn't even anything close to a debate. Just a bad burn. Can someone get this man some aloe vera?
The Dipper neither it was a healthy debate
He actually did pretty good? He was calm cool, and confident. I can see Ben's irritation and anger and a little bit loosing control. Cenk gave him a run. It was a good debate. I learned above all that both parties are corrupt lol!
lorettalynn Davis how old are you just wondering what your demographic is
@@ryanfatguyinlilcoat2436 Sure I'm 52 years old married with two grown boys...
I would literally pay a PPV prices several times over to watch Shapiro debate ANYONE on the left.
Set it up as some kind of tournament/bracket thing, where as he goes along he has more 'murdered by words' victims left in his wake, climbing higher and higher.
For the first/warmup round, we can 'feed' AOC to him (unless that might actually slow him down...?)
I would pay double that to see him debate AOC and her be forced to stay the entire time
He just got smashed by cenk. Ben sounded more like a moderater than a actual debatie
@@sr420det What does your post even mean?
I'm waiting for him to debate with Kyle Kulinski
Is anyone else finding the audio broken for this video? It only plays out of one AirPod but not the other. Not having this issue with any other Shen Bapiro videos.
I would've loved to have watched this all the way through, without yelling, screaming and booing. I love educated debates . This is hard to watch with the crowd. You never insult the other side, Ben didn't, audience did. Different venue. I've watched all of Hitchens, no one yelled like a rock concert. People came to learn. Shut up and maybe, just maybe you'll learn something. Which I think they'd both for, learning. Imagine that?
Maybe I'm slow, or not following, but Cenk actively made fun of the audience. Maybe we're saying the same thing....
@@Shifty2100 I noticed that but I also noticed that the audience im assuming hens side would slightly boo him when he said some so it led to him insulting them
Cenks audience cheered for him when he didn't say anything valid. Cenk also actively insulted the audience and called them uneducated. Did you even watch the video?
25:40 when you realize you've lost the audience, and just start insulting everyone.
Lol this is a stupid comment and doesn't deserve any attention. I dunno why I'm typing. They're not there to entertain the audience. You make them sound like stand up comedians lol. They're there to express ideas, with reason. It's obvious that the audience there is not very bright. He lost his cool. He shouldn't have.
@@Jlitt-yw2zm I believe its pronounced "chunk" lol
Rishvik Chanda They are there to debate policy and ideologies but to pretend that Politicon didn’t invite them to entertain the audience is nonsense. The audience should be solely entertained on the debate alone but they are there to be entertained and that’s what Politicon tries to provide them.
@@rc7211 they're also there to produce facts. "Google it!" Is not a fact. Your comment is the stupid one.
Thats a liberal defense. When you can come up with anything, you insult your opponent saying they're stupid and keep an elitist attitude. This is just another example.
That moderator did a terrible job steering the conversation the way he wanted it, but that was actually a good thing since the actual conversation was so much better.
Honestly, he did a terrible job moderating, but I suppose it's hard to display a lack of bias while simultaneously HAVING to cut SOMEBODY off somewhere and let the other have the last word
He was also a bad moderator between Dinesh and Cenk the previous year unless it was a different moderator (idk just had lasik monovision, haha)
Right
Also they are both strong personalities, he may not have been as used to that as he should have been
Heh, yeah, they just bulldozed past his questions and continued their ongoing debate.
Bro the audience has such short attention spans. Cenk: says some basic thing and sometimes doesn't get it all out
Audience: for some reason applauds. Like ten times in his statement.
Ben: says something factual and that isn't deflecting or not answering the question
Audience: waits til the end to applaud but at least he can get his point out
The audio for this suddenly won’t work for me. The ads I have to skip work fine. Can’t help but wonder if this is intentional.
My husband works 70 hours per week and pays taxes, and he, myself, and our 2 children are in perfect health. Yet we can't afford the healthcare offered. It upsets me that the next door neighbor doesn't work and their children have full coverage free healthcare. When we tried to budget the $300/week for healthcare, we were left with $100 grocery money per week. We don't have a car payment. We don't go out to eat or on vacations. How is this right?
Find a better health insurance plan
I feel your pain.
I bet you could afford it before Obamacare was implemented. You now work more to pay for everyone else and loose your insurance. I am in the same boat 😢
Tasha Hocking it isnt
Also, life decisions you make when you’re young, often dictate how your future will go. There are some instances where this is not true, but I feel as though this is not one of those instances.
Chunk can’t help but speak in a condescending demeaning manner at the audience.. Ben just spits facts and sounds like Alexa
TruthDecay
Ironic bc ben is the one w the very annoying condescending voice
The audience wouldn't let him fucking speak or explain his position without booing. Don't forget the couple times they booed shapiro as well. Ben yelled out misrepresentations and false assumptions that are wrong on their base.
TruthDecay So why do you have your stupid Wonder Worriors Program can you answer this question?
Ben destroyed him, Cenk held his own but his arguments were invalid, Ben found the truth in each statement and called it out.
"That's how car insurance works!"
False. When you become a risk due to tickets, or accidents, your premiums RISE. THAT'S INSURANCE!
Agree
Andrew Cox the thing is, if we’re going with “fuck it”, there needs to be a system that drastically reduces healthcare costs to the point of almost halving it, most other developed countries with universal healthcare pay about half per capita of people in the US for it. Obviously there’s the decrease in quality coming from that, but not to the extent of halving the quality. Bens idea of cutting regulation would have to do a fucking lot in order to fix healthcare costs
Tyler Berks agreed fam. The amount of people that I know that pay for a premium and RARELY need to use it should be rewarded for not having to use their insurance. But what do we know 🤷🏽♂️
Choppa Rob I mean, I live in the U.K. mate, so I get my free healthcare (got to flex), so I don’t have any stories like that. Free healthcare isn’t perfect in any way, but it seems better than the US model currently
@@tylerberks2756 And if you needed elected heart surgery or brain surgery, you're more than likely going to have to wait, in front of other people, even if you COULD afford to pay.
I actually think Cenk started off really well but then slowly imploded as the debate went on.
Socialists can’t be reasonable
Classic NPC
Why is the audio only functioning from the Left Side . . . by design or
50:05 Chenk says, "Life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness." Ben said the correct phrase, "life, liberty, and property." And they both agreed earlier that money is property. (BTW, I'm saying that "property is the correct term 1) because it was the original thought, 2) it has actual meaning in terms of what government can do, and 3) it was only replaced with "pursuit of happiness" to avoid the conversation of how slaves aren't property.)
I was 4 rows up here. I remember Ben first walking on stage and being utterly shocked most of the crowd stood up to give him the credit he deserves. His face was in disbelief, it was awesome.
Gabriel Savin I was him smile ear-ear in the beginning! Awesome!
How much were the tickets? I want to go in 2018.
I am South African, and Ben is absolutely right on the health issue.
Hi.. Is Housing really a Nationalised subsidy in SA? Because Ben's argument would also be a common thread running through Nationalized Health Care as well as Socialist policies on accommodation. How does it work?
Is he now? There are plenty of good doctors, you just have to pay their rate. Americans face the same problem. They need to continually chase more wealth to keep paying for better services. Capitalism is a disease.
@@maahierabrahams4493 lol socialized medicine is a disease. Good for when you have a cold but when you have a real medical issue you are on the wait list until it's serious. Nearly one year to see a neurologist gtfo man
@@Snubrevolver My point is if you want the best doctors you pay privately. That's the same for everyone no matter where you live or whether you have socialized healthcare or not. If you want the best doctors you need bank. "GTFO"
@@maahierabrahams4493 yes because becoming a doctor is an extremely expensive and time consuming thing to do , you are not entitled to the doctors services for free .
We need a new 2.0 of this debate after what happened in 2020-2022
Speaking as a life-long Democrat, I can honestly say that Ben Shapiro is a class act. He understands that healthy debate is absolutely critical to our survival as a nation.
Despite the boos, Shapiro claps for his opponent. Shows him respect, despite being on "opposing sides." You're great Ben
Pulse - Ben Shapiro is a good guy and to me , he is right on most things but not everything .
Pulse Gaming he loves a good debate :) and this guy, who I largely disagree with, definitely made some good points and was almost able to keep up with Ben haha :) he's got my respect
Literally why I have time for Shapiro, I may not agree with him on a lot but he shows and receives respect, regardless of the ideological differences between him and his opponents/interviewees
Michael Weber agreed, i especially don't like when Mr.Shapiro lets religion get in the way of his thinking. I find he's spot on with his research on most topics, and then when it is something like Abortion, he throws logic out the window and makes appeal to emotion fallacies etc. Cognitive dissonance?
Ben is so classy.
Last time I saw a water buffalo get slaughtered this badly, I was watching Apocalypse Now
Savage Department Randy Speaking being that Apocalypse Now is my favorite movie of all time I love that analogy.
I have a question: why wasn't I queried when these polls were goin around?
Excellent !
This is like a great crossover episode
lol good analogy
Jenna Rosenthal lemme pipe with my boring talk about how government never works
Also those giving Cenk credit, I don't buy that he's brave. I think he's literally that cocky. And he got destroyed for it
@jon jones HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA
@jon jones source?
no one got destroyed here
@jon jones You can't state a statistic like that and not source it, it's not 77%.
@jon jones no collusion no obstruction
I wish the audience would have been instructed to refrain from booing and cheering. That constant noise, booing and cheering, were very distracting and also obviously interfered with all speaker’s train of thought. These are important, complex issues people need to continue to think about and discuss.
" they just buy a yacht" - Cenk. Ideally.....
Yacht built by American workers, from supplies all the way down the supply chain. Think of all the jobs, from the lumberjack, to the chrome factory worker, to the miner, and the salesman who made commission on the sale, and spent his money on hamburgers, for homeless people in LA because higher taxes drove them to homelessness.
damn this shapiro guy really calls people out on thier BS fast.
Shapiro the hero, undefeated and hopefully future president
Welcome to the red pill side
@@Hi_There_E246 i saw the first five minutes of the video and unfortunately the real world doesn't work like this. You cant have the government set the prices on medicine and expect that the government would stop there. This suggestion would mean that the government would have to make financial audits on the entire healthcare system and tell hospitals what they can profit on all aspects of healthcare, not just medicine. This suggestion is completely made in hindsight without knowing the full picture of how the healthcare system works and all the costs involved hence my comment. I won't even watch the rest of the video since the first two points are most likely made with pure belief that the world should be a fair place and it's not. FYI - Canada care is not as great as they want you to think it is. I have plenty of friends who live in Canada and its like the VA healthcare system out here.
@@christianeichmueller8637 not true, People living in Germany who have to pay thousands per month for AIDS treatment which includes their medicine. Sure its much lower than the US, but its not 50 times cheaper, its only about 50% less. That's roughly only $8,000 year per patient at 50%, if they cant afford $8,000 than they probably cant afford $16,000. Its still not working in other countries, don't pretend like its heaven there.
The socialist countries you've listed get free medical research by piggybacking off of the United States and have 10% of our population so 1, they have less people to take care of, and 2, they don't have to pay billions of dollars for a medication because America has already done it and gives it to the rest of the world as a generic drug. Stay in school, you'll get it eventually. And btw, before you begin to bash me, I work for Syneos Health in southeastern NC and this is what I do for a living.
I like how Ben takes notes so he can bring back the points to things Curk says that are nonsense
This is a technique used in debate competition - Ben has a strong background there
Fantastic debate!!!!
My brother in law had to wait almost 9 months for an elective surgery for Sweden and my mother in law pays extra for supplemental private coverage to get better coverage in Sweden. When she was in the regular hospital, she was one of 8 people in a huge co-ed ward. With my private insurance I get my own room as does my daughter who is often in the hospital. I do agree that severely disabled people should have help from the state.
BEN 'THE IRON-JEW' SHAPIRO.
Ben 'The Hebrew Hero' Shapiro *
Ben "Thuglife" Shapiro
The Bear Jew.
The Hebrew Hammer
scoobie331
BBC Earth: Jewish lion takes down water buffalo
Ben Shapiro continues to give CENK a history class.
Josue Rivera Fascinating how history has a liberal bias. Shapiro has a disillusioned version of history of labor, economics, and politics. Sorry, truth is not always a pleasant thing
Ryan Zinna
? History has a liberal bias because history is full of mistakes.
next time be sure to fix the audio from mono to stereo
Insulting just means you're admitting to already losing. Cenk was destroyed.
"If your'e uneducated"
"look it up"
They always expose their narcissism.
Jordan kinda like ben did in the bbc interview?
@@mrg1353 Exactly. He even admitted to handling that poorly.
Jordan my point is nearly every person involved in politics has a hint of narcissism lmao
@@mrg1353 Absolutely.
But when I talk to my friends who are of the far left they tend to say things that expose their sense of superiority.
Things like "I used to think like you" and "You don't really understand socialism"
Things like that.
Jordan that is subjective but i do see where you’re coming from i wouldn’t generalize an entire group of people though over your friends. to be fair tho i find the far left and far right equally disgusting imo
The Jew-Jitsu was STRONG.!
Cenk got SUNK..!!
Trace M lol
Trace M No he did not ,I know exactly what CENK is speaking about.
Bro, Why is this panned L & R?!?! If politicon needs an audio engineer I'd love to make these debates sound great on all devices:) I love hearing both sides
My god. You don’t have to clap and cheer every ten f-ing seconds
I disagree with virtually everything Cenk says, but at least he had the balls to debate Shapiro. Not many people would walk into the fire like this.
shapiro got fucking owned
That does not seem to be the consensus at all.
Yeah, that must be what it is. The vast majority of people that think Cenk embarrassed himself must be Shapiro fanboys. Otherwise it would make your assessment of the debate wrong, which can't be possible, right?
go and read the comments then and tell me their not just regurgitation of dumb shit like "Circumcised Cyclone strikes again"
I have read the comments. Out of hundreds, I can count on my hands how many people agree with you.
Ben owning Cenk NEVER gets old, even 2 years later.
What debate were you listening to?
@@angelavila9452 el mismo que obviamente no entendiste.
@@angelavila9452 fr all these Ben fetishists much be coming from a different debate. Cenk refuted contradiction and misrepresentation after contradiction and misrepresentation. Every time Cenk pointed out one of Ben's MANY fallacies the crowed boos him. News flash guys, if you are using logical fallacies in your debate you are losing the debate
News flash? You mean CNN flash or Liberal Biased news site flash?
@@pteridophobia2115 holy shit you're brain dead
Anyone who degrades and argues with the audience is clearly losing the debate lol
For those who don't know, a staw man fallacy is when someone extremely exaggerates a point someone is making and then attacks the extreme exaggeration as a means of garnering opposition from an audience toward the person he or she is arguing against. Some of you will go away with this definition saying, "I shouldn't do that." Others will say, "A new weapon in my arsenal." I say the latter pile more chains upon themselves. Some don't see the fallacy as a fallacy, and in some ways they're right, because sometimes the straw man fallacy works very well on an unsuspecting opponent and an unsuspecting audience.
Shapiro always used those
I don't like debates where people just boo or clap the entire debate... so distracting
Auke Mebel yeah... that was the wrong audience .. I couldn’t watch the whole thing..
Me too. 10 minutes was all I could stand because of it.
Bear in mind, the audience comprises predominantly university students...they are children...
Only if Crowder turned up as Cenk 😂😂😂
Oh yeah, the parody 😂😂
😂😂😂😂
Probably would've done better
It's funny because when Crowder interviewed Ben after his debate he asked him if he saw him doing his cenk impression when cenk was talking. Lol... "Right?" "Right?" "Ok, ok look" "just Google it" lol
In a completely blue condom suit.
"YOU LEFTEST AMOEBA TOADS."
What a great debate. Not one word.
I'm leaving a dislike because of the audio. I'm only hearing audio in the left ear, but other Windows-produced sounds come through my headphones in stereo. If the original recording was in mono and you're publishing it as stereo, you should duplicate the audio to both the left and right channels.
Cenk doesn’t know how to debate. He is weak on facts and strong on emotions and resorts to bullying. I don’t like to watch him try.
Not too comfortable outside of your echo chamber Cenk?
haahahee
jonharson He looked relaxed to me.
What in hell are u talking about?
Ryan Michelz Cenk in this debate never seemed to share his ideas with anyone or debate and he only ever listened to his own voice is what others are saying