Jordan Peterson: Why a Society with Stable Norms is So Important
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- Опубліковано 12 січ 2021
- Jordan Peterson explain from a psychological point of view why stable societal norms are so important, why people put so much effort in maintaining their deep identity, and how danger and safety is conceptualized in our brain.
Jordan B Peterson (born June 12, 1962) is a Canadian clinical psychologist and professor of psychology at the University of Toronto. This clip is taken from his 2017 Personality 06: Jean Piaget & Constructivism.
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It’s odd that I live in a world where Jordan Peterson is considered Alt-Right.
Phobia is the cry of the woke crowd. So what is it about Jordan that they fear?
@@davidhawley1132
Mostly likely Truth.
I agree.
Most of us are uncomfortable debating an area of our beliefs with someone smarter and more knowledgeable, unless our primary value is improving our knowledge and understanding.
If the latter, one simply switches from being the primary or balanced information provider to the primary receiver. Usually, triggers of disonance or large claims are subsequently checked with a range of other sources.
Avoiding or suppressing open and continued debate in complex fields (usually these are related to politics or large money) is often tantamount to admission one is uncertain, unconfident, manipulative, political, or deliberately biased in one's presentation of knowledge and beliefs.
Or, one is highly vulnerable to, or unaware of cognitive dissonance and information weighting bias. That is, naive and/ or poorly introspective.
Well he does seem like quite an angry person...
@@nitrostudy9049 But JBP listens and doesn’t seem to intellectually bully.
A stable society is VERY Important.
Excellent. Thank you.
Good explanation of the way society works
Having "norms" is just another way of conditioning out what makes us unique individuals. I have to respectfully disagree. If we are not able to effectively express our unique emotional individuality, then we will be behaving in a manner that's stuffing the real you down inside while letting another you be the front that greets the world. Then when the real you is at odds with the manufactured self that's born from people like him who influence others in believing it's a good idea for the social norms without a full understanding about what it does to the psyche, we run big risk of being resentful and irritated. Then you feel unable to deal with it because somebody said social norms are important which makes you feel that it's more important to be the manufactured you not the real you..
There has to be some sort of structure and norm in society though, and I would say that you can have both that and individual freedom to be unique and emotional. If there are no norms, there is chaos in my opinion. Maybe norms aren’t ideal but they’re better than chaos.
It seems you're expressing a concern about the suppression of individuality by societal norms, and the potential psychological consequences of adhering to these norms. I understand your perspective, but let's delve deeper into the matter.
Firstly, it's essential to recognize that norms aren't inherently oppressive. Rather, they serve as guidelines for social conduct that facilitate cooperation and harmony within a community. Think of norms as the grammar of society-they provide structure and coherence to our interactions. Just as grammar allows for effective communication, norms enable smooth functioning within a group.
Now, concerning individuality, it's true that each person possesses a unique combination of traits, experiences, and perspectives. However, individuality isn't synonymous with rebellion against norms. In fact, genuine individuality emerges not from rejecting norms wholesale, but from engaging with them critically and authentically. True individuality involves understanding the rationale behind norms, evaluating their relevance to one's values and goals, and making conscious choices about which norms to embrace or challenge.
Consider the analogy of a jazz musician improvising within a musical framework. The musician's individuality shines not by discarding the rules of music altogether, but by creatively interpreting and expanding upon them. Similarly, navigating societal norms doesn't require sacrificing individuality; rather, it invites us to express our uniqueness within the constraints of social context.
Moreover, adherence to certain norms isn't necessarily a betrayal of one's authentic self. Humans are inherently social beings, and our identities are shaped in dialogue with others. Conforming to certain norms can be a way of affirming our belongingness to a community and signaling shared values. This doesn't mean suppressing our true selves, but rather recognizing that authenticity can manifest differently in various social contexts.
However, I acknowledge the concern about the potential negative effects of blindly adhering to norms without critical reflection. Indeed, uncritical conformity can lead to a sense of alienation and dissonance between our internal and external selves. This is where the importance of discernment comes into play. We must cultivate the capacity to discern which norms align with our authentic selves and which ones hinder our growth and well-being.
In conclusion, while it's essential to guard against the stifling effects of unexamined conformity, it's equally important to recognize the constructive role that norms play in fostering social cohesion and individual flourishing. By engaging with norms thoughtfully and authentically, we can cultivate a society that respects both the collective good and the dignity of each unique individual.
@@phetmozI mean this is a good response and all, but using ChatGPT is a low blow lmao
Brilliant!
Biggest thing that I hate and societies ideas is using violence to solve the problems that doesn't solve the problem if the world was to come together and we can meet in the middle we could solve a lot of problems
What Norms?
First thought on this was the break in in Fargo
children get upset...... - the world is complex and many times chaotic - children need the adult to help them navigate the chaos....- with age and experience people/adults gain experience ;;; how you want the world to unfold (mental maps) - happens within social context - your social identitiy --- when social context varies from expectation people get negative emotions.....
**laughs in argentina**
Well, we don't live in a society now with stable norms, so it's downhill from here.
Sam Harris needs to watch and think about specificly this video
@mike mcmike Sam Harris by his own admission knows barely anything about moral philosophy which is a problem when trying to create a moral philosophy...
He doesn't appear to understand the first thing about morals, how they condition cultures or how they have evolved.
Kids...
More of a rant than a lecture.
I wish I had several hours to discuss with you the levels of complexity that he has gisted together and linked in narrative during this lecture. You would likely appreciate the depth of insights he is providing to his students. Most of whom will get it, or at least part
Or are you just a Troll, with no interest in understanding the relevance to your own life?
@@nitrostudy9049 No I am not a troll. I just know enough to know that you cant respectably just blaze through important subjects and ideas like he just did. You should not just assume you know the things which he has claimed. Each idea rates serious measures of time and critical consideration.
@@Deno2100 there are hundreds of hours of his lectures online. I'm sure he fleshes out these complex ideas in one of them that would be to your liking.
@mike mcmike you are welcome to your opinion. I am interested in why you feel that way?
My opinion is based on many years working across multiple domains, as well as raising children, and the last 10 years studying peer-reviewed neuroscience, psychology, pedadgogy, and genetic/ cultural evolution of memory and learning.
While JP uses different frames of reference and a bigger crystal/ verbal intelligence than me, I can clearly see the underlying schemas (condensed statistical functional commonalities), frameworks and linkages he describes, in my own assimilated understandings.
To summarise ... "I get it" :)
@mike mcmike C'mon then mike. I want to hear you debunk this video.