45 minutes on a single paragraph of Nietzsche's Beyond Good & Evil
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- This is a 45-minute discussion of a single paragraph from the German existential philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche's masterwork, Beyond Good and Evil. It indicates the remarkable density and profundity of his work -- his ability to layer meaning upon meaning in a few sentences.
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"Those who know that they are profound strive for clarity. Those who would like to seem profound to the crowd strive for obscurity"
Nietzsche was commenting on Hegel, Kant, Fichte. The PoMos and Derrida in particular wrote very much in the Hegelian style, so that could be why N had them pegged before they were even born.
Nietzsche also stated that the philosopher fears being understood more than being misunderstood.
makes me think of the majority of academic readings.
Sounds like he was describing hipsters
Some 1910 translation of Twlight of the Idols has another version "What? Art though looking for something? Thou wouldst fain multiply thyself tenfold, a hundred-fold? Thou seekest followers? Seek Ciphers!"... We are never understood-hence our authority".
Peterson's comment at 36:01 is excellent: "Nietzsche's book is not a book at all - it's a series of bombs.... And each sentence is a bomb. Each sentence blows things up that people don't know exist".
Nietzsche was purely human, compelled by suffering an could not find a way towards any satisfaction in life, with the exception criticism. I got to tell ya I would much much rather be at peace than a constant handwringer ! !
Goober Mcgilicuty it is easy to mock the dead.
@@goobermcgilicuty3754 yeah it's easy to live in a delusion than understand reality and still push ahead because most people give up on everything once they understand reality.
The first chapter destroys you.
@James Cain you begin to understand...
Ran into Dr. Jordan Peterson on the streets of Toronto: "How you doin today, Doc?"
"Well, it depends on what you mean by 'doing.' And it depends on what you mean by 'today.'"
"Now, I've been thinking about this a lot, and you can tell me what you think about it."
"It doesn't seem to me to be self-evident that when we're conceptualizing the nomenclature of a word like 'today' within the substrate of a dominance hierarchy, let's say, that we're not actually utilizing an a priori interpretive framework."
"That seems to me like a good way of thinking about it."
"Like, you might say it's proper, by the same token -- roughly speaking -- to order your (How would you put it?) your ... your manifestation of thinking in such a manner that 'today,' or 'doing,' for that matter, is predicated upon an evolutionary understanding of the archetypal representation of these utterances as they'e been portrayed in great literature."
"And why the hell not?!"
"It isn't obvious to me, eh, as far as I'm concerned, that this kind of ideology isn't part and parcel of a threat to the neo-marxist identity-politics approach to Jungian chaos and order. I see this as substantiated in the humanities departments of the university as it functions today. Yunno ... as the post-modernist types would have it."
"So, so ... You have to give the devil his due, you know, because the devil is in the details."
"It's no joke, man. Not bloody damn well. Not at all. AT ALLLLLL."
"And fair enough, you know. More power to ya as far as I'm concerned."
"And how are YOU doing today?"
How long did this take? Be honest
Yeah man, gotcha. Wish more of these comentators could be this lucid.
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This is pure gold. As soon as i read "And whybthe hell not?" I understood where this was going
Anyone else read this in his voice?
I love how he´s always picking the water cup up but then becomes engaged in what he´s saying and ends up putting it down without having had a drink
That is awesome. Well observed my good sir!
I noticed this again and again and had to pause to come check the comments for someone else who did!
Einstein would accidentally forget to eat and tie his shoes.
It happens.
Looks like he forgot his shirt too.
Noah Trim..its a look alot of self employed use. Casual tee under a jacket, its a thing. Like no socks in dress shoes.
For everyone dissatisfied about the sound quality:
1. Copy the URL for this video
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thanks man, had VLC for years and never knew about this
thanks for this information!
Dude, that is fricken genius!
Thanks a bunch, This is a great tip.
VLC is the best player for everything.
“The more poetic the author happens to be, the more the case that his or her writings contain within it the seeds of future ideas.”
Im never been so fond of a man that lived in my lifetime. ..thank you professor
Isn't he lovely I don't know how people can't like him. I don't always agree with everything he says and he runs on a bit sometimes but even then I don't get annoyed by him I think he is just hyper intelligent and constantly formulating concepts and ideas. I don't even think it would bother him if I did disagree with him he would probably consider my reasoning respectfully and not just argue his point obsessively. Very charming individual I hope we honour him somehow soon with a literature award or something I also hope he will write another book but not a self help type book I would prefer a more memoir style presentation which can still be helpful without being like a textbook. I like when he shares personal experiences not just analyzes and dissects other peoples work although he is very apt at that also.
He is a great blessing to our culture and thankfully is about to release a new book. I can’t think of anyone who I respect as an intellectual right now as Dr. Peterson. Well said!
me as well brother.
Same bro . This guy and Elon
Going to see him live next Wednesday. I'm so glad our time here overlapped.
when the teacher says "justify your answer"
The teacher said nobody has to, yesterday.
Prof. Peterson, it would be awesome if you could share some advice on reading and how to comprehend and retain what is written.
At 1:20, he talks about sewing the seeds of future ideas. To attempt to digest and hold everything is, to the best of my understanding imprudent. Though it would be outlandishly cool to be able to Nietschze at any given moment, I think this might be a hard work and dedication deal.
A good reason why experience in much reading both of Nietzsche's own work (very easy to do), and of the many bad and good works about him (of which Kaufmann's are clearly the best - and again, also a good bit of reading) are essential. Forty-five minutes is hardly any more than a very, very brief introduction (as I'm sure Professor Peterson would agree).
May I recommend a great book on that by the great editors of the Great Books series, Mortimer Adler and Charles Van Doren? It is the best.
Take a literature course at university, where you read novels or philosophical works. Go to the lecture and feel ashamed of how much you overlooked. Repeat this as many times as needed, when you do not feel ashamed anymore you can consider yourself a competent reader. It´s amazing how much we overlook. I always look for the things - probably cause I have a inferiority issue - people are not saying, not doing or not being aware of, so I can get feel for who they are, and if I should take them serious or not.
+Sam Chop true, thanks!
*---------* *Here's the section he's referring to if you would like to read it before you watch the video* *-----------*
It has gradually become clear to me what every great philosophy up till now has consisted of-namely, the confession of its originator, and a species of involuntary and unconscious auto-biography; and moreover that themoral (or immoral) purpose in every philosophy has constituted the true vital germ out of which the entire plant has always grown. Indeed, to understand how the abstruse-st metaphysical assertions of a philosopher have been arrived at, it is always well (and wise) to first ask oneself: ‘What morality do they (or does he) aim at?’ Accordingly, I do not believe that an ‘impulse to knowledge’ is the father of philosophy; but that another impulse, here as elsewhere, has only made use of knowledge (and mistaken knowledge!) as an instrument.
But whoever considers the fundamental impulses of man with a view to determining how far they may have here acted as INSPIRING GENII (or as demons and cobolds), will find that they have all practiced philosophy at one time or another, and that each one of them would have been only too glad to look upon itself as the ultimate end of existence and the legitimate LORD over all the other impulses. For every impulse is imperious, and as SUCH, attempts to philosophize. To be sure, in the case of scholars, in the case of really scientific men, it may be otherwise-‘better,’ if you will; there there may really be such a thing as an ‘impulse to knowledge,’ some kind of small, independent clock-work, which, when well wound up, works away industriously to that end, WITHOUT the rest of the scholarly impulses taking any material part therein. The actual ‘interests’ of the scholar, therefore, are generally in quite another direction-in the family, perhaps, or in money-making, or in politics; it is, in fact,
almost indifferent at what point of research his little machine is placed, and whether the hopeful young worker becomes a good philologist, a mushroom specialist, or a chemist; he is not CHARACTERIZED by becoming this or that. In the philosopher, on the contrary, there is absolutely nothing impersonal; and above all, his morality furnishes a decided and decisive testimony as to WHO HE IS,-that is to say, in what order the deepest impulses ofhis nature stand to each other.
Indolent Sloth thank you!
Please add my thanks. But you contradict your title by your efforts. Blush from the earned praise.
This "paragraph" is incredibly poorly worded. In part because it is no doubt a translation from German.
Trying to process and understand it is as useful as trying to understand String Theory.
Nietzsche clearly did not have enough time to make the paragraph smaller. Pity.
Every fool who has reduced himself to a "Clockwork" has gone mad. Usually, they drink themselves to death. The knowledge that one is an autonomous being with the capability to "Act" is the road to wisdom and health of mind body and soul.
thanks!
I’m 3 pages into this book writing this comment. I need a 10 minute break to digest each paragraph to possibly not comprehend anything properly or fully. I didn’t know something like this existed. Quite frankly I’ve never been terrified and exciting trying to digest something. How fantastic.
For me it was the 'On the Geneology of Morals'. It was a slog getting through it but wow.
i bought that book and i try reading it again and again, but i can't understand anything
Wouldn't a better approach be to chew on it several times , then swallow and then digest it. Meaning, read it "leisurely" then read it again , then read it again and then attempt digestion.
when NPC's read philosophy
@@aldrickpeterme too,but I will never give up 😊.
I think one of your internal spirits wants you to quench your thirst by taking a drink of that water, but some other spirits are preventing you from doing so. Just something to be aware of. Stay hydrated!
# MickJenkins
His thirst for knowledge is stronger than his physical instincts.
Wisdom is a woman and she always loves a warrior. Thus spoke Zarathustra.
I think I enjoy listening to Jordan Peterson and learning from him not just because he is significantly more intelligent than me, but because I am willing to admit that he is significantly more intelligent than me. His intelligence demands respect, and my demand is satisfied by his intelligence. A toast may need to be raised to never watching buzzfeed again.
Have You Seen Chef? Have you ever found it interesting that Buzzfeed, a list site, is inhabited by people who believe in classless societies and believe hierarchies aren't necessary?
me too
He just read alot more books and hes born into a culture that gave the most gifts to white men to thrive.
@@heathervogt3409 boring
It's not just intelligence - it's what he's done with it. He's put it to good and meaningful use.
Dr. Peterson, I have followed your work for over a dozen years and have been deeply inspired by it from start to finish, but this video is hands-down the most mind-blowing, astonishing work I have ever seen you do. Your careful, close reading of this paragraph is nothing short of brilliant.
"What makes you think you're a reliable judge of what you're up to?" 26:00
gngndthg jyhhf i know what i am up to, sure i do. i know what my goal is and how i will achieve it, but why i want that goal is something i dont know myself , as with everything, but the desire for goals is an inevitable part of human being. humans need to have a goal no matter now frivolous
You think you know what your goal is. But you may have goals you are not aware of.
gngndthg jyhhf Nice profile pic...I think, I'm not certain.
maybe my subconscious wants to die like Hitler in a bunker, with the world in flames above me?
You don't know what you want.
When Nietzcshe said that a philosopher is not primarily motivated by a desire to accumulate knowledge, it was like Bobby Flay saying that a chef is not motivated by a desire to acquire food.
When Nietzsche says a philosopher is not primarily motivated by a desire to accumulate knowledge, he's saying also that he himself is not primarily seeking knowledge. He must have another agenda as well,, but may not be entirely transparent about what it is.
I was, indeed, motivated by the desire of knowing the truth. That’s why, probably, God had mercy on me.
I took it as him saying that a philosopher views the acquisition of knowledge or argumentation as a means to satisfy their will to power. The will to power here doesn't mean the will to political power (though it is sometimes interpreted as such) but rather the will to be powerful (the is, the full maximization and realization of one's capacities).
I feel like Dr Peterson always provides a sort of meta-view, intermixed with his own original thought which provides a framework within which to understand these great thinkers in conjunction.
If you listen carefully, you can hear his story and his aims... He can't help but reveal them.
How right you are sir! If I work hard enough I can get you to spend some time on youtubemusicsucks.com. And that is something like a new music community who love Psychology, David Bowie, and Can (the band)! Check it.
what.. what does that have to do with the content of what he's saying
oh wow, so you're trying to say, he "explained" what friedrich was saying? lol, everybody is horribly verbose in JP comments.
Well put...
I gotta exclaim that I am so happy to have a Professor, an academic teacher by my choosing. Dr. Peterson, thank you for accepting your coronation into Public Figure-hood.
He does have that engaging panache that makes me reminisce about my old C.Psych prof. K.C. Hoffer.
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I concur
"what makes you think you're a reliable judge of what it is that you're up to."
simply a bomb
This might be the most important video I've seen on youtube. I feel like the direction of my life changed & solidified at the same time somehow just now.
Almost like a, recapitulation? ;)
But have you seen butt cheeks sonic?
then start reading the actual source of that wind of change, named Nietzsche
Please more Nietzsche videos. You're analysis is remarkable!
@Doctor Drywell can you please be more civil in saying what you are saying? It reduces the impact of what you're trying to deliver. You seem extremely triggered which makes me take your criticism less seriously
@Doctor Drywell Also I'd like to point out that in this video he doesn't really talk about the phrase God is dead. The contradiction you're referring has not alot to do with this video.. so really it'd be appropriate if u could point out the contradictions from this video
@Doctor Drywell i saw what youre talking about and found it hard to verbalize, but i agree. also, i personally didnt like how he assumed hitler wanted to die in a hole, while claiming the thought came from some unknown scholar, paused and agreed with himself... then proceeded to insinuate that youre hitler too and you wanna die in a hole, cuz he human... (meanwhile the other guy is 1 in a billion and on such another level you can just forget about it... bah ha!) and he does this all with a snobby kinda question that goes unanswered cuz you cant defend yourself. no, i dont think hitler wanted to die in a hole. there. that kills that thought experiment.
You can't really construct your own values. That was Peterson's argument to that. I dont think the overman can exist to any man. Were not logical beings. We have methaporical chains on us at all times, whether you know it or not. The Christian Fundmentalist thinking may be flawed, but it has utility at the end of the day. And hell, maybe it ain't that flawed. Just pick a set of values that can benefit you and maybe others for the longest set of time. And attempt to be happy. I prefer a set a values that make me happy, though I'm a cynic at heart.
@Doctor Drywell I believe you can choose your values at the end of the day. You do have choice. But at the end of the day you're still shackled to an ethic/moral. That might as well be your god. Not to sound like I'm attacking you homie but, your whole diety argument is slightly flawed. You dont have to say you believe in god or not. At the end of the day it's kinda like a feeling. Though that is a poor explanation ,I dont really want to argue the existence of god. To be fair it really doesn't matter at the end of the day. Just try to be an ideal and try to enjoy life if you can.
Thank you for posting this, and all the other videos you have posted in the past. I am learning so much from watching - and trying to live - your videos. Thanks again!
I watched your interview with Saad and thought I was picking up on a nuanced view of Nietzsche--particularly when you touched on the idea that mans' most central values are religious in nature. I'm excited to watch the other videos on Nietzsche/Jung/Morality/Existentialism etc. I'm glad to have finally found an accessible contemporary thinker who explores these ideas.
Such an amazing video! This is my 4th time watching it, his enthusiasm while deciphering Nietzsche's texts is like watching a child play with a new toy.
Great video! You're passionate about "knowing thyself" which I find to be a rare quality in most "philosophers". The first chapter in Beyond Good and Evil is one of the great masterpieces of psychology, imo.
Around 10 minutes or so where you give a great answer for why someone might want to read a great philosopher (like Nietzsche)-thank you! This is a great reason for why a formal education is unique, too; (a good formal education, anyway) exposes you and has you engaging in dialectic with great material that professors and other students have recently read together as a community of learners, which builds over the 4 years. I’ve been watching vids of you to see what people are liking (and not liking) about you. But I’ve just been enjoying the way you lay out your thoughts. It’s awesome people are thinking about the objectively positive writings of Nietzsche that are still the most useful and poetic phenomenology-type philosophy I’ve read.
Thanks for sharing. I have been on a Hegel funk for a while now and trying to push myself into Nietzsche, and this lecture provoked my interest to continue into Nietzsche's world. I appreciate your forum and found your presentation kind and inspiring. Looking forward to whatever comes along in your next thesis or insight. I like these longer discourses more so than the quickie thoughts.
Thanks for this, the world needs more people like you.
Tend to get beaten to pieces
Thank you for unpacking this paragraph from Beyond Good and Evil and explaining the process of Nietzsche's writing. It's a very fruitful way of understanding these kinds of texts. I hope there will be a lot more of these kinds of videos dealing with the existential philosophers, especially Dostoevsky and Kierkegaard.
Academy of ideas is daring
I read beyond good and evil and the science and health at the same time when I was 18. I loved Neitche even though I am very religious... I gave up on western philosophy and concentrated on music and Chinese language learning and my children blahblah blah. But now I am drifting back to my Christian philosophical routes. God bless Jordan ... Real prayer is good deeds sir and your free lectures are a catalyst of good. May a divine sword defend your cross
Adam Snyder Please read Nietzsche again, I'm sure your opinion about your 'roots' will change drastically.
Thank you Jordan for introducing Nietzsche to me, and to a wider audience. I agree with you ( just by reading my first book by him-The Dawn of Day), i am underlining so many sentences on the page, that i am almost underlining all of them. Incredible accuracy and sharpness of his words, so much is said in just a few sentences. I am taking the book with me and reading it out loud to people, which i do not remember ever doing before. Brave and sharp-minded thinker, truly worth digging further into it.
A book reading of a complex book like this is something that a lot of people could benefit. I would love to see more such videos
First read this outdoors beside a lake on a warm Spring day at 24 as an undergrad and it changed my life forever for the better!
--------- Here's the section to which he's referring, read before watching! -----------
It has gradually become clear to me what every great philosophy up till now has consisted of-namely, the confession of its originator, and a species of involuntary and unconscious auto-biography; and moreover that the moral (or immoral) purpose in every philosophy has constituted the true vital germ out of which the entire plant has always grown. Indeed, to understand how the abstract metaphysical assertions of a philosopher have been arrived at, it is always well (and wise) to first ask oneself: ‘What morality do they (or does he) aim at?’ Accordingly, I do not believe that an ‘impulse to knowledge’ is the father of philosophy; but that another impulse, here as elsewhere, has only made use of knowledge (and mistaken knowledge!) as an instrument.
But whoever considers the fundamental impulses of man with a view to determining how far they may have here acted as INSPIRING GENII (or as demons), will find that they have all practiced philosophy at one time or another, and that each one of them would have been only too glad to look upon itself as the ultimate end of existence and the legitimate LORD over all the other impulses. For every impulse is imperious, and as SUCH, attempts to philosophize. To be sure, in the case of scholars, in the case of really scientific men, it may be otherwise-‘better,’ if you will; there there may really be such a thing as an ‘impulse to knowledge,’ some kind of small, independent clock-work, which, when well wound up, works away industriously to that end, WITHOUT the rest of the scholarly impulses taking any material part therein. The actual ‘interests’ of the scholar, therefore, are generally in quite another direction-in the family, perhaps, or in money-making, or in politics; it is, in fact,
almost indifferent at what point of research his little machine is placed, and whether the hopeful young worker becomes a good philologist, a mushroom specialist, or a chemist; he is not CHARACTERIZED by becoming this or that. In the philosopher, on the contrary, there is absolutely nothing impersonal; and above all, his morality furnishes a decided and decisive testimony as to WHO HE IS,-that is to say, in what order the deepest impulses of his nature stand to each other.
I had the same experiences that Prof. Peterson had been through while reading Nietzsche which continuously blow my mind away. But even though i had the same enthusiasm to explain it or articulate my own ideas about this book to the people or even to myself i am always finding myself not qualified for those skills.
In here, in this video, i again felt the same enlightenment and inspiration by Prof. Peterson's skill to explain the book so clearly and accuralately that my mind blow away again not only with the thought of Nietzsche but intelligence of his own.
Thank you for the delightful insight and breakdown into a portion of Nietzsche's mind!
Recently purchased a biography on Nietzsche - "I am Dynamite" at the back it references some his aphorisms, I read through them and stopped dead at this one - "The Kingdom Of Heaven is a condition of the heart" (I've shortened it slightly) incredible.
Cs lewis said hell is a condition of the heart, heaven is the opposite, heaven is reality itself.
You are definetly my all time favorite professor .. thank You so much Dr Jordan
"its a series of bombs"
I am not a man, I am dynamite!
“It has gradually become clear to me what every great philosophy up till now has consisted of - namely, the confession of its originator, and a species of involuntary and unconscious autobiography; and moreover that the moral (or immoral) purpose in every philosophy has constituted the true vital germ out of which the entire plant has always grown.”
Nietzsche
Dear Prof. Peterson
Thank you very much for taking the time to upload this and use your knowledge of Nietzsche to spread wisdom across the Globe. Also, hats off to you on the political frontier of Canada. Don't let the Bastards beat you down!
Bests, UK
More videos like these please such a wealth of insights. I learned more about my life in 45 minutes than I did my entire life.
I just had this book in my hand two seconds ago. I picked it up a few months ago and it’s been sitting in a box since. As I read the authors name I heard Jordan Peterson’s voice pronouncing it in his funny Canadian accent lol. I put the book down and came to bed and scrolling through UA-cam feed this video popped up on me . Synchronicity! I have to read this I guess
This brilliant, will have to read more of these guys, this so insightful.
Exceptional video. Your analysis is superb. Thank you sir!
Thank you, what a wonderful teacher you are Mr Peterson. I hope you’re recovery will be swift
Honestly was about to throw in the towel on this book. Glad I found this Dr P. “Dense” is perfect description. Gonna put on my big boy pants and give it another go.
How's it going?
Yeah how is it going? I just started a month ago and it's taking me atleast a week for one page and I'm not sure if I'm understanding it at all.
to all you guys struggling with nietzsche read paragraph 27 from beyond good and evil. his works are not supposed to be read casually, they are supposed to be hard and therefore any form of intelectual struggle which in the end produces interpretation is valuable - don't give up because its worth to get through it
@@cooldude-on9gm thanks man, that's nice.
You don't need to understand everything (or anything) he is saying on your first read. As a matter of fact you're not going to. This is a book that you need to revisit over and over again.
"The very act of interacting with the world presupposes an ethic" this whole video is just 45 minutes of answers to questions i never asked damn
This is exactly what I’ve been trying to articulate for so long! Thank you on the very deepest level, a truly life changing affirmation for a young man like me
stimulating thoughts, much to digest and think over. thanks for posting.
Thanks, Prof. Peterson, for showing how Nietzsche's writing must be approached. This unpacking of concepts is what really blew me away when I first started reading N's works. The professor I had took much the same approach with us. It's more than a little daunting to realize a 3-page section can contain a novel's worth of information.
I'm reading Beyond Good & Evil right now and this was helpful. I think the comment about marking important points is very funny because I find myself in the same situation with great books.
It might be useful to do more of these
While I was listening to a girl in my class present her topic of Jihad I started to think about what she was doing. I had the idea that the information that she recounted was the information that her value system inspired her to seek out. This, and how she used examples to convey her ideas, showed me that we are all unconsciously revealing our aim and lives in our words.
I loved this book so much, it completely changed the way I looked at the world in so many ways. It's good to know that it shares this renown in academia as well :)
the fact that i could understood the sentences despite me not being an english native speaker, even before he proceeded to explain them, made me want to read the whole book. thanks for the upload
Dr. Peterson I love your vids and they really help me get closer to complex concepts and ideas but.... every time you grab a glass or a bottle of water and you DON'T drink from it for ages I just can't help it and lose focus. I don't wanna rely on just listening cause you are very expressive and your body language complements enormously your message, so PLEASE ..take a sip , TAKE A SIP of WATER ! for Nietzsche's, Jung's sake ! :)
Jokes aside , thank you professor ! I've been a Sam Harris listener and disciple for a long time and now yours too. The debates you guys had, first one included, were spectacular !
Glad to know everything's being sorted out now with the U of T. All the best !
I bet that when he speaks with journalists he can oversee the conversation on slow motion as the spiderman movie and, based on his observations about their intentions and narcissism, decide on the degree of power and eloquence velocity to instill to his words to disarm them completely
Thank you for affording the masses with insightful teaching. I love you.
I need to meet Jordan sometime, brilliant man, deserves better than what he gets for his attempts to help others. My hero.
That "if you don't believe in something you couldn't organise your vision" thing is spot on. It happened to me just a few weeks ago that i realised i couldn't focus on the things in front of me (in terms of sight). And it had begun when i read nietzsche and oscar wilde (and a few others) and saw some fantastic movies. It made me re-examine why i believed in the things i believed in, what my biases were etc.
I've to almost strengthen the muscles around my eyes and gradually reprogram them to look at the things in front of me. It's very tough
Complex thinkers write one book, then hundreds books are written about the book. They can be a real pain to read. When I was new to reading books by intellectuals I at first thought it was a load of unreadable bollocks, then when went to the lecture, i realized that my reading skills and attention span were bollocks. Some books I can only understand through anamnesis (recollection from experience) cause the language is so unusual. Some of Platon` writings - translated from ancient greek to my native language - for example. Different culture, different language, but I also suspect that Platon might obscure the text by choice. His teacher, Socrates, was very aware of the dangers and limits of written text. As he said: the father of the text is not there to protect it. So let´s make it hard to read so that those who would misunderstand or misuse it will not bother to read it.
It's a really inspiring quote, because in that sense, everyone is a philosopher. Or the philosopher's stone is the most basic archetype there is to self-awareness.
My copy of this book came in the mail today. I'm having to rewind this a bit pretty frequently to stay on task. This book should be a healthy challenge. Can't wait to read it again in 5 years too
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"So I'm going to read something"
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Nietzsche's books are great. He helps me put it all together and see ahead. Sometimes the magnifying glass is on something I had vague ideas about, not knowing how it could or would make sense together and it's in the grey area so to say, and it would bother me, but then Fritz puts it all in a few sentences for you. Boom!
thank u so much for sharing your great intellect and I am especially appreciative during this time of isolation.(covid-19)
Such a profound analysis. Bravo, J.P.
Thank you. This was of course brilliant, but also a little distressing; but I guess that's par for the course - as JBP has said, ideas of this magnitude can destroy one's self concept, transforming it to "dead branches". It would be fabulous if JBP would do this for the whole book, but since this is not practical - we might need a study guide. I do.
This is my experience as a beginner, for what it's worth and I would love feedback from JBP and other viewers who follow him - I'm using Gareth Southwell's beginner's guide, and the Brian Leiter blog for the time being. I got a lot initially from the "Great Courses" on Nietzsche.
PS. The hour long interview with JBP from last year works well (for me) with this, so sharing that.
Every time I listen to Dr. Peterson I feel like I have gained a few IQ points.
I love the way he free associates as he expresses his ideas. He has admitted that he learns to understand what he is thinking by listening to what and how he says what he says....and that is true. Often enough we can learn from what we say if we listen to ourselves. We can also evolve better ways of saying what we think by doing this.
I would love to hear more material on your interpretations of Nietzsche. I feel like your perspective on Nietzsche has a lot of breadth so I feel like you would have some very interesting ideas to express. In addition, videos on how you fit Jung and Nietzsche together in terms of their commonalities and differences, and lastly, what research has followed both of them that progresses their lines of thought.
I found this video really helpful! As I have attempted to read Beyond Good and Evil and really struggle with understanding precisely what Nietzsche is getting at in particular sentences. Somehow I chose one of the hardest philosophers to start with. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't after the truth.
I would suggest a more chronological approach to philosophy. Nietzsche was a philologist and wrote about the historical ideas of the human species while developing his arguments.
Read this when I was 18 and it changed my life
Something so deep he has the genius to articulate it that a interested student of such knowledge can understand it. This is an video but still valuable.
Fantastic. Keep em coming!
It's fun to know that even someone like Jordan is having a hard time interpreting the density of each sentence.
In other words, I may not be that stupid after all.
Are you as stupid as you sound?
Hahahahahaha
Lol I’m holding on by a thread, keep practicing and attempting to understand lol
An hour and a half spent on a single 45min UA-cam video...
14 hours on a single UA-cam comment...
@Jovan Jovanović Thats too much but I have a similar experience with TSZ, Stuff hurts my soul and rips my hearth, i'm trying to trespass it in a lighter way, reading the whole thing fast, so you can gain perspective of the chapters in relation to the others and the general meaning of the book as a whole, Nietzsche once said he hated his readers who stumbled and hurt with each stone they encounter.
But he also said that the one who writes with blood knows that blood is spirit, and he who writes with sentences wants not to read but to be learned by memory. And man they sure get imprinted on the sensitive, he's also a poet besides being a master. His critics have called him a spider who catches the gullible, in his net of sentimentalism and romanticism, which I found partially true, there's plenty of suffering on incarnating his philosophy, understanding it... for a while I questioned the validity of wisdom itself, I changed to other literary generes and backed off.
vule it took me 2 years to finish this response
That must be a good solid time. And it's no joke man!
This book is really awesome. Thanks for talking a bit about it.
This was really awesome and helpful! Thanks!
Nietzsche wrote in aphorisms - JBP brings his own unique interpretation to the text in a way that few could. "An aphorism, properly stamped and moulded, has not been 'deciphered' just because it has been read out; on the contrary, this is the just the beginning of its proper interpretation, and for this, an art of interpretation is needed." - to interpret Nietschze accurately I believe you need a grounding in psychology. Beyond Good and Evil is like a foreign language; you need an interpreter.
Nah I think it's over convoluted like the Russia collision scandal.
Einstein dumbed down the theory of relativity and time diolation "it's like comparing spending a time with a good looking lady vs burning your hand on a stove"
Isaac Newton dumbed down calculus with the comparison of an apple falling from a tree.
Most philosophers just overcomplicate their ideas in an attempt to sound smart while talking about literally nothing
First and foremost thank you for this video and your elaborations:
Some critical words permitted?
1.The sentence on which Dr. Peterson reflects upon could be written somewhere in the video... Otherwise one cannot really watch this video without a copy of the original book at one´s hand.
Second comment: Or even a German - English study version of it. Although English might be a partially "German based - language" - one might loose twists and gists by the rendering of a translation!
For me, it felt always harder to think properly in English than it was in German. I´d say German is more straight forward were as English is so much more poetic hence the multi - layered versions of synonyms - therefore it´s much harder to think straight in English. But some people like Alan Watts and Dr. Peterson do a phantastic job... Please don´t mind if I made any spelling mistakes.
Great comment. Also: Hoch Deutsch is very pleasing to the ear whereas English easily suffers the indelicacies of locality!
@@brutallyremastered4255 Thank you for your answer (comment). Well, in my outlook the English language is much harder to master when it comes to formulating clear sentences. It is a much broader, wider and more poetic language.
Therefore examples of witt and eloquence like Alan Watts appear to be much rarer.
It is on the other hand far easier to think straight and outright using the German language.
At least this is what I have experiences so far.
Hochdeutsch ist natürlich auch so eine Sache. Denn in allen Landesteilen verstehen dich die Leute, was nicht heißen muss, dass du sie auch verstehst.
@@brutallyremastered4255 Thank you for your answer. In my understanding English is a much broader, wider and thus more poetic language. It is therefore much harder to "master".
Hochdeutsch hat auch so seine Tücken. In allen Landesteilen verstehen sie dich, was nicht heißen must, dass du die anderen auch verstehst.
So enjoyed hearing how you deconstruct statements and ideas.
I`ve read most of the comments and suddenly felt an obligation to share a thought. Here he cites one of the humanity sharpest, most philosophically inclined, mind. What has eluded me till now, though this video had me contemplating the idea of beyond good and evil for far too many times, is that it ain`t the greatest one. Such a relief. Tear briefly shed finds its` closure.
"There is way more at the bottom, than what is fully articulated." - Jordan B. Peterson
You have changed my life for the better.
Where can I send you some better audio equipment? Lol
I just asked myself, what would Jordan Peterson think about the book "Beyond good and evil", so I just googled "jordan Peterson Nietzsche" and there it was. Thank you Sir! I will really enjoy watching it.
This video was my reason to buy and read this book. All I can say about it (and this video) is: marvelous.
Neitche is such a German his philosophy would be so different if he was Irish... Neitche was very courageous and lived with a lot of pain
Please improve the sound quality! Really great insight!
The room ! Why would you give such an amazing lecture in these conditions. Bring in trees, a better chair, a library and woodwork. He deserves way better !
And for the love of God, get this man some patches for his blazer!
These circumstances are all conscious choices Dr. Peterson has made. He's not wearing a shirt, either, although he is wearing suspenders. All part of the effect.
Just started Beyond Good and Evil. When Dr.Peterson describes how dense the book is he is not exaggerating. Every sentence makes you think.
I believe that our lives are a string of tiny triumphs, whether conscious or unconscious. And, which collectively, aim toward achieving happiness, or, at the least, a life experience that is not wasted. Listening to and mentally digesting Dr. Peterson's analyses reminds me, joyfully, of listening to my father expound upon the writings of many philosophers as he sipped his Port wine and filled his audience with thought. Thank you.
Read that book years ago my brain still hurts.
fntime wtf
His very last comment -- "That still doesn't answer the question, 'Power in relationship to what?'" -- is almost precisely the rebuff given by Noam Chomsky to Michel Foucault at the climactic moment of their famous debate!
sir, what a pleasure to listen to you talk
The video on Genesis and the Buddha opened my mind to the meaning behind Nietzche's "god is dead". Thanks for your analysis Jordan.
Around 30:40 Peterson talks about the fundamental deconstructionist claim: "It doesn't matter what the content of the text is, what matters is that the text can be used as a tool for power and whether the person who wrote the text knew it or not that's what they were doing. and they were doing it in a way to privilege themselves above other people." I hear echoes of the PC game in this claim -- where it doesn't matter what someone else says, the person saying it is either being dominated or dominating other people and in the latter case trying to maintain that dominance through every action they take.
What I'm taking from this is that the deconstructionists shook their fairy dust over reality (in the form of their fundamental claim, applied to all sorts of texts and simplified in the form of cognitive algorithms that can be easily transmitted) and it has started dissolving reality in an important sense. Or, more precisely, they are dissolving the linkage between objective reality (the world of objects) and subjective reality (the world of meaning). Which frees people up to invent their own subjective replacements for physics, biology (claiming, for example, that biological sex is a social construct), psychology, etc. -- unmoored from evidence or rational scientific method. They seem to be trying to reconstruct the structures from the world of objects within the plane of meaning, where things are more fluid. So we have objective biology and subjective biology now, and objective biology is being labeled as a tool of oppression, which means it's marked for destruction.
So, this is rather terrifying. But I think there's evidence that it's actually happening all around us. The video footage documenting the current free speech debate is loaded with examples. Which raises an interesing question: what is the nature of Order in relation to the planes of Object and Meaning? Order must fundamentally be a belief system, yes? I mean, Order cannot be something "out there" -- otherwise there would be no process of transformation, so Order must be a human model of something out there -- which is what a belief system is. So, following, this line of thinking, the deconstructionists are basically trying to corrupt the fundamental nature and/or operation of the Logos. Because the Logos operates on two aspects -- object and meaning. But if everything is basically dissolved from the object plane and moved over to the meaning plane, that is not simply a revision of the existing Order but also a transformation of the fundamental mechanism by which Order is created out of Chaos. It's a radical change to the foundation of belief systems. In a world based on that kind of belief, Truth is obviously not a primary value. In fact, Truth would tend to be quite disruptive, and naturally defenses would evolve that would protect against Truth -- like silencing any opposition (again, see the video on the free speech debate at UoT).
What would happen if everyone were inculcated into this way of thinking? Who would operate all the machinery that actually depends on objective physics, biology, and psychology? How would decision making about important object-world issues like economics and climate change be negotiated and plausible solutions produced? I would imagine this would cause the whole social system to collapse into chaos before too long.
Michael Connell What happens is Dr. Peterson is hounded by students accusing him of using his power words to not only dominate them but deny them of zhere existence.
It makes them really annoying to talk to. I had a friend who took "global development studies", and whenever the conversation drifted to something substantial, there would always be the questions about what common words really mean, and imputations of cultural bias on every evaluative claim.
Look at the Old testament for answers to your questions about how the new world will become if we allow it, because it is the followers of that book that have always fought Hellenism and still do to this day.
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31:05 Peterson describes one of Nietzsche’s most infamous lines on the nature of power. Before I even gave Nietzsche a chance, this quote of his was the primary reason I did not allow myself serious inquiry into his work. I’m glad to have that Quote explained better and also to realize that in his greater body of work he is actually cautioning against this tendency. In other words I have been selling Nietzsche short this whole time as I hadn’t thought about it myself, or delved into the literature seriously, taking the footnotes provided from my feminist philosophy teacher as dogma. Thanks for elucidating this and emancipating my mind Professor Peterson.
I absolutely love Nietzsche's poetic style ,for what golden words of his roll off of the tongue and shimmer as they plunge into the abyss of meaning ,though I must admit I am not the most adept at dissecting these beasts ,I always seem to find something new ,also though I comment well over a year after this hath been posted and though you may never come to read this thank you Dr. Peterson for sharing your insights
A great lecture. In my interpretation, probably the most important motive for Nietzsche is the affirmation of life as the highest value. The will to power isn't necessary a need to dominate others, it's a vitalistic life force, "the cardinal drive of the organism", the need to express one's power and overcome boundaries, which, for Nietzsche, is more fundamental than the drive for self-preservation, because self-preservation is derived from it. Nietzsche basically tells us to approach all things in life in a manner that enables us to "feel an increasing feeling of life in us". He feels that a lot of people in modern times aren't "getting" that feeling and so they develop pathologies like becoming obsessed with "objective" factual knowledge (aka becoming a "walking encyclopedia"), start believing in an immortal soul and hoping for an afterlife, denouncing life and becoming ascetics etc. He basically tells us to listen to our bodies to know what's best for us, as strange as it may sound.
I understand Its been a while since you wrote this but I have a question; How do we listen to our bodies to figure out whats best for us?(in simple terms if possible)
@@iank.richards1923 Listen to your taste. In everything - food and drink, climate and place, method of relaxation. Pay attention to what gives you the most vitality and what robs you of it. Avoid stimuli that rob you of vitality, seek out those that nourish you. Use this to adjust your "spiritual" and "bodily" diet in as "selfish" manner as posible, meaning trusting only your instincts and not any recipe given to you by somebody else. Your taste is actually just a commonly used word for what is in reality your instinct for self-preservation or self-defence - a form of will to power. And the will to power is the will of the body, because it is the will of organic life, according to Nietzsche. Life's imperative, in the form of your taste, should guide you to your own version of flourishing, as Nietzsche seems to believe. All this that I've described is taken directly from the book Ecce Homo, chapter "Why I Am So Clever", sections 2 and 8. You can check it out yourself.