What If Smash Was One Stock?
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- Опубліковано 10 лют 2025
- Coney reacts to Brawlternative's video, "The Brawl Tournament Where Everyone Had 1 Stock", and theorizes how each Super Smash Bros. iteration would be like if it was just a single stock.
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I swear Coney is in the background of every smash tournament clip. Like the Forrest Gump of brawl.
He's an easter egg
“Forrest Gump of brawl” is the greatest description for Coney I’ve ever seen
Jeff Teague of smash for sure
Thought I had my whole stock ahead of me. Then boom, Luigi.
I know a certain CEO said the same thing
Take my damn like lmfao 💀
United Healthcare shareholders:
why is it called stock? it makes no sense! Maybe we ll get a 50 min video about it someday and coney can make content out of it!
I'm not saying this is what it is, but "stock" to mean "lives" gives me vibes of those old arcade terms like calling levels "boards" or 1-ups "extra guys".
Because they're in reserve. Just like a store has a stock of products, you have a "stock" or inventory of lives that get depleted as you play.
The way I view it, stock is in reference to like a stock of items or in this case a stock of lives
Because that’s what the game calls lives when you adjust the rules.
Your pfp used to be my old friends pfp on discord and it was crazy to see it again
“ROB players are the worst kind of people. They all had glasses.”
~ Coney
Oh hey look it's the music timestamps:
Intro - Tournament Registration - Super Smash Bros. Brawl
2:45 - Trophy Gallery - Super Smash Bros. Brawl
9:24 - Coin Launcher - Super Smash Bros. Brawl
11:21 - Tournament Match End - Super Smash Bros. Brawl
Outro - The Legendary Theme (Acoustic) - Gitaroo Man
Was quite easy this time around, I didn't know a lot of them but it quickly appeared that they would all be from Brawl (which obviously fits considering the subject).
U da best music
i wish you magically appeared under all the videos i watch
15:08 - Iris Network - Xenoblade 3
@@cdjblue This is correct, but this is a music that is originating from Brawlternative's video, not Coney's. And they do credit all the music used on that one (which is pretty nice).
@@Ygdralis Massive props to you for doing this yourself! I haven't really made any music lists at all lately because I've been busy doing other things
As a Ganon player, 1 stock rulesets would be amazing pre-Ult. Having Ganoncide killing first on deck in a 1 stock game would be a huge buff even just as a psyop.
Coney is my favorite brawlternative channel
i feel like a lot of "ultimate is stale" because of the players if im honest. theres no story, theres just nothing anyone is pushing for. all i ever see from the playerbase is just complaining and still refusing to adapt to a multi year old game but still playing it. it really feels like most of them dont even like it
I’d put it as I’ve come to care less for what ultimate has become, but tbh I think with a few ruleset changes (or obviously the theoretical new balance patch) it would invigorate the scene again
I think it is way more because of Steve
He just sucks so much to watch, he is so annoyingly broken. And also a big reason why everything feels so stale is because the stages are just boring
We have over 100 stages, and any stage that isn't the most boring ass flat terrain two plat is illegal
live a little. You're a grown ass man, play on fucking sloped ground
@@xolotltolox the only issue is that platform fighters terrains or different platforms give certain characters ridiculous advantages over others that isn't even a product of their kit design as opposed to the stage design in general. In Melee's case that game has such a rushed history of crazy interactions that make no discernible sense that you can't even have stages with walls or walk offs into the blast zone because one character can literally just use one move to kill the entire cast. I assure you the spectacle of watching one character archetype or individual counter picking certain stages to do one continuous gimmick would put you in the same boat as that one current nuisance in Ultimate's meta game.
I agree, but I think part of the lack of story and player engagement is two things: 1, COVID kneecapping tournaments. And 2, the game being difficult to show personality in. It's hard expressing yourself when a top tier is busy laming you out or killing you at 0. The simplistic DI system of recent Smash games makes combos either unreasonably finicky or inescapable, which in turn also removes some amount of expression. Also the homogeneity and cleanness of hitboxes removes some amount of player creativity too. That leaves one of the last places for creativity in making big reads, but this is a game that rewards safe hitboxes and reliable kill combos more than anything. Look at tournament footage. I'd say most stocks are taken in a mid to high level match by safe aerials or a reliable kill combo. If that's the best way to take stocks, why do anything else if you want to win?
@@Altares_V Yeah but a little slope is too much? Mementos, Castle Siege and Lilat are pretty good stages, I mean Lilat is legal in Europe, I get that the other are assimetrical but maybe people should stop being so fucking on denial that every game has a good amount of luck, so why not put a bit more into Ultimates since it's getting so stale? Also Warioware would be fun lol, only stage with any amount of fun these days is Town & City but even there people like optimized the cheese or something 😂🎉
I'm not kidding editor, every time I hear that ending music, I'm confronted with my mortality and how everything I have will one day end.
It has the same effect on you that History from Sonic Mega Collection has on seemingly everyone
10:02 Wario half waft was a way better move than full waft in Brawl offensively. Came out frame 5 (vs frame 9) and had way better knockback than full waft, which was better for damage. IIRC Brawl Wario's generally tried to avoid reaching full waft when possible.
15:32 Hey look, that’s me! Lol
Coney I found you late into my 4 year relationship where i wqs recently cheated on and i know its lame or whatever but seriously keep it up youre doing a great job on the uploads and i get so goddamn happy everytime i see a new Coney upload. Thank you for the amazing content sir.
Whether is was bait or not from chat it really showed the internet way of thinking when asked about the mango thing. All he did was explain it and some people just took that as him being a champion for mango.
When you were talking about being "out of it" regarding Ultimate I not only completely understood but it dawned on me that Ultimate, A year or so after it got it's last dlc drop, was doomed to shrivel a slow burn. There's just not enough surprising jank or randomness to each and every match to keep it fresh and interesting. It really is just Pokemon Stadium 2 the game
pit was insane, my friend had this older brother who was like 10 years older and no one could touch his pit in particular
They should try this for ultimate with a crazy stage list and turn off the timer
Yeah man, sonic mirrors on great cave offensive with no timer sounds awesome!
@@kingnewgameplus6483honestly, anything other than steve dittos on PS2
I dont like those as much as steve dittos on palutena's temple personally
Love it when coney uploads
I haven’t cared about Ult for months now. I can’t tell you when it happened, but I heard recently that Tweek won something and I realized I haven’t even heard tournament results since forever
meek and eternal return shout out thats my caster
What does it say about me that when I heard about a 1 stock rule set that my first thought was “If I was there I would pick Meta Knight and ledgestall the entire game”
hypest intro combo: single sentence into already skipped 20 seconds of the original video
11:25 coney literally just described sonic
what if real life was one stock?
A one stock smash ultimate tournament will basically sky rocket kazuya and Luigi in the tier list
Hearing coney say GOML made me remember he talked about it in the past I juet didn't recognise the full name!
Awesome Coney video!
Holy shit i never thought i’d see the day when eternal return got mentioned in one of these videos, havent thought about that game since i got super into it during covid
“What if smash was 1 stock?” Have you ever played elite smash?
The speed and nuance of melee's interactions aren't that different from Brawl, most of the time. But within every interaction, good melee players use more inputs because movement and defensive options take more inputs.
If Smash was one stock then comp would be dead dead.
1:26 Coney loves gassing himself up
12:11 chatters were getting zesty this stream
A lot of WiFi warriors unfortunately make you play 1 stock and it just makes the game horrible
Yeah but it's because you don't expect it and doesn't know the matchup many times, then you don't have the time to learn. A real tournament where you know ahead of time it's gonna be a 1 stock ruleset sounds dope 😂🎉
Coney glazing mang0 was not on my 2025 Bingo Card.
Also I just want the Coney X Brawlternative vid
This raises an important question: Why on Earth was Smash 4 run as a 2-stock game?
Considering it was _faster_ than Brawl and had _more_ jank that could kill you early, _lowering_ the number of stocks makes absolutely 0 sense.
in smash4 and ultimate everyone* has a good recovery. In brawl a decent recovery would be bottom tier in ult
When Smash 4 first released on 3DS, the initial version had larger stage blastzones and full vertical LSI, which both made combos a lot more limited and allowed everyone to live a lot longer. Combine that with people not having yet optimized the game and playing on the awful 3DS controls, and matches were taking nearly as long as Brawl's, so everyone panicked not wanting a repeat of Brawl and started running 2 stocks. This got bolstered by For Glory running 2 stocks itself, which got all the new blood to expect it as the "competitive standard". Version 1.0.4 that launched with Smash 4 Wii U's release would modify LSI to not work on any move whose post-DI launch angle was between 65-115 degrees, which enabled many of the combos and kill confirms that came to define Smash 4, as well as made vertical KO moves much more effective, which got farther buffed by the Wii U version having smaller stage blastzones. It took people a while though to advance enough as players to optimize punishes and realize how strong Smash 4's Rage was, by which point everyone was already used to 2 stocks and we know how loathed to change Smash players are (and TOs, especially Melee-centric TOs, liked 2 stocks to make Smash 4 tournaments run faster, so they weren't eager to go back to running 3 stocks either), thus 2 stocks remained the standard despite pushback against it in Smash 4's later life.
Oh cool this video again
Then the market would be monopolized very easily
I love ultimate but I haven't been into it in a couple months either, it sadly feels kinda done to me. Maybe I'll check out some games soon tho, and the lythero vid's coming up too, that should get me back into this game
I think the whole “Ultimate is stale” is just because a lot of the fun and hype of the game came from playing as new, cool characters and having new patches and DLC dropped. As soon as you get a feel for everything though, at its core it is played like Smash 4, and that isn’t interesting enough to retain a strong following. I think if Utlimate had more depth people would get lost in the game like Melee, but it doesn’t so it just feels like you’re watching and doing the same thing over and over again.
I know it sounds terrible but I would hope smash 6 was live service and had a new character every season. No one really cared for the 1 player mode after a year so full focusing on keeping the online community active would probably be the move
@ that’s certainly an approach… Brawlhalla does just that and has a huge player base while raking in huge sums of money to fund humongous prize pools. It has kept Brawlhalla alive after over 10 years.
Personally, I just want a game I can express myself, like Melee. Something so deep I can be creative and do things and see things I’ve never seen before. Melee has had not updates, yet still it is as if it is with players constantly evolving the meta. It’s the reason I think Melee is so passionate, because if you look at Melee every year unprecedented things happen or strategies are discovered. The idea of adding new characters indefinitely I think sounds good (except adding balanced DLC has never worked well with smash) but then you would have to continually learn MUs to the point where you would get knowledge checked too much. Having just 10 strong characters you need to learn is very manageable and makes the meta more about playsyles of a smaller set of characters rather than learning, I don’t know, 50 strong characters somewhat vaguely their scary stuff. That’s the problem some have with Project Plus is you hop on and any given match your opponent could be playing a character you aren’t familiar with and you might get cheesed because of it.
Ult is an overcorrection of smash 4 if anything, smash 4 meta was constant shielding and baiting for unsafe aerials to get a grab and ladder while ult's meta is literally just spamming jump and safe aerials until someone gets a hit and wins, what we needed was an in between because as it stands both of these games have basically been 'solved'
@@bumibomber tbf the next smash might be more of the same. It's not an ult only thing, modern FGs will have easy tools for neutral in order to appeal to casuals, it will only get worse with each release.
@ I can really relate, I think too many characters have the same game plans with not enough divination. Most of the time it is spacing ariels and than tomahawk grabbing. One of the only characters not like that is either projectile campers is Steve, who’s one of the cheapest characters in the game. It’s like you can show off this huge roaster but in practice they play the same.
I feel competitively Melee gameplans differ all the time, in fact Mango has even said you need to constantly reinvent your neutral to stay unpredictable.
The fix in my opinion is to have stronger defense and offense at the same time. In Melee you retain the momentum of your dash in your jump, so jumping in and nairing will cross up shields and catch dash backs. But Melee made it fair with, for example, crouch canceling, so if I know you’re going to do a weak move like nair I can crouch and immediately counter back. Stuff like this adds layers to the game play and also makes it so everyone can play completely different yet optimal, because their is so total optimal flow chart to follow because their is a couple dozen counters to everything.
Coney was Brawl biggest's fan for sure, and for that. he get's a like and comment from me. not a sub, am already subbed. "That's my secret Coney, am Always subbed!'
what if life was one stock?
Wait but did Conney win that set againts the snake at the beggining? I'm not gonna look for it I want Coney to respond now!
Hey Coney, I suggest you watching video on the best and worst character in smash history from mikey d. It's pretty good.(it's two seperate videos)
Rivals is not a mashing game, each character has thier own Marco game which they're trying to manage while staying in advantage.
Get Good (at Lox)
10:55 I dont get Coney’s argument here. I understood it as “deedeedee is weaker because instead of getting extra damage off he just wins the game”
You live for twice as long as some other characters because he is extra heavy
@Igachaboyyt how is that a downside in a 1 stock setting is what I’m confused on
Dedede's strength was that, if he ever got a stock lead, he was still a massive threat even at like 150%. If your first stock was close and you both got to high percents, but Dedede killed first, you couldn't just rush back in and throw out aerials hoping to snag a kill, because he could exploit the hell out of that. Once he got a stock lead, Dedede forced you to respect him, which in turn meant he controlled the pace of the game. Plus, in smash, once characters get to a high enough percent they can actually become harder to kill, because they take too much knockback for your safe kill setups to work, forcing you to either go for chip damage for a while or risky plays. These were all things that Dedede took advantage of, and which were magnified in longer games with more than one stock.
@ id argue those are valid but thats a “winning more” scenario that i dont think counts as a buff. “Oh but if I had the lead i could get further in the lead” kinda doesnt make much sense as a nerf since you trade off control of the game for a game win in this scenario. All other points brought up about dedede still apply to single stock too. “He lives long” yeah its real good to be tanky in a 1 life situation. “Harder to combo at higher percents” that applies to most leads. It sounds like dedede lost his “win more” aspect for a better meta
Random brawl question: was Wario much better in doubles? I’ve been watching old brawl tournaments, and that character is all over doubles brackets
Yep, he had the biggest move in the game and having a partner to set you up means you baisicslly get a free stock each match. It’s the same as cloud being better than bayo in sm4sh doubles because of finishing touch
Also the bike, wario has some of the craziest tools in the whole game but can’t make full use of them because of his stubby hitboxes and fairly telegraphed movement, having another partner with a big hitbox aerial, like say Mknight, Marth or even olimar go mid-high and throw out attacks while wario drops the bike off the ledge is a nearly impassable wall to recover through for most of the cast.
@@l.t.c3847 were you talking about Waft? Cuz from what I have seen, Waft was weirdly not a huge part of Wario’s gameplan. Maybe I am watching tournaments that are too old, or I’m just misinterpreting things, but Waft seems more like something a player just throws out or uses for recovery. However, I did notice that having a partner is super useful for covering Wario’s glaring weakness of air releases, so I assumed that was the whole deal. Was waft that big a deal in Brawl?
lets make ultimate 2 stock bo5
New brawlternative pog let’s go
But I’d like to request a react to the new Carlito vid plz
Being good at brawl isn’t the same as being good at melee.
Being good at melee is not being good at brawl either.
They’re both smash games ffs and both are great in their own ways
I just saw this some days ago. Interesting, but it would be one 0 to death away from ending the game entirely assuming that it is ultimate's speed.
After lmbm I’m so down, that tournament too way to long
@@kyallon1213And Sonix wasn't even playing 😂🎉
Problem honestly is too much players, 8 hundred it's like crazy, I just wanted to see Marss play but he got upset and the matches weren't even being streamed, like only the final cringe sets can be watched, the Sonics vs Steves, none cares about those
@ I mean truthfully I blame it on scheduling more than anything. Whoever’s idea it was to run from top 128 to finals with no break, all bo5 genuinely should not be allowed to run events anymore. Like not even an intermission for rivals 2 top 8, that had to be played first thing in the morning to make sure ult viewing experience worse
Can we ban anyone from the community that says smuh 4 instead of smash 4
Never heard of that. I personally call it tr4sh
timefisher
Ultimate with 1 stock would still be better than Smash 4 with 2.
I would die
me playing hero and top decking kamikaze
Montanablack
What is chat doin this vid??
what do you think a new smash should add?
Hazard Toggle, but you can activate / deactivate hazards on stage by stage basis instead of all on / off
Bonus points if you can toggle what hazards stay on
some of the most basic features that the game should have had since smash 4, make it so grab ISN'T still a macro of a+shield so when you try to do a jab 1 jab 2 grab mixup you dont just get a delayed jab 3, the ability to turn off smash attacks on the main stick and leave it to c-stick, the ability to turn off auto short hop (ultimate), and how about a frigging rollback netcode!!!
Better online would be enough to get people to buy
Lowkey competitively viable final smashes like rage art from tekken
Hey coney
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Brawlternative needs to be stopped.
…Pkbeats reaction when?
i always feel like a moron for watching these videos because half of it is just coney contributing absolutely nothing. the real move going forward is to just go straight to the description and watch the original. at least he has the decency to do that
It would be better because the game would be over quicker
I think what turns me off to most platform fighters is the lack of huge punish games. The WORST part to play and spectate is when you're forced to land one move that might not even do anything in order to take a stock because they're past 120~+. It makes it actually so unentertaining as it could happen so many times throughout a set and it's not interesting. What I like about anime fighters is the fact that when someone gets in the other person will usually die or be put in a spot where it's super skillful in order to survive. I'm always engaged as the risk is SOO much higher and more intriguing personally.
Bomb
ultimate has boring top tiers, a boring stage list, and a generally repetitive meta that is too safe and too simplistic.
name any single thing you think is the problem. odds are, its one of the many problems, one of many bricks in the wall.
and it all builds a game destined to decay in interest as soon as there's not new content.
I for one got infuriated with many bad or mediocre characters never getting the buffs they needed to feel reasonable, especially in the face of certain matchups that made them feel horrible as if mandating you use them exclusively as a secondary, in addition to the characters that were top tiers simply being too lame to play against.
plus, in my opinion, shields and grabs are too weak, while out-of-shield burst options are too strong.
literally, how do you pressure a G&W's shield? You wait. You don't press buttons. You wait for them to press theirs, and every once in a while maybe go for a grab if you think they don't expect it, just to throw them and get positioning or maybe a single-hit combo that isn't even your optimal route. Unless you're a character with a stupid safe spam option, or a safe projectile, in which case you're probably not trying to pressure their shields and play aggressive in the first place.
That's not fun to watch or play. That's just frustrating, especially to learn.
cuh
7:53 ult kinda sucks on all fronts let's be honest. For players inputs get eaten and precision is ruined by the game's inaccuracy whether controller issues, online, or what have you causing luck to be more of a decider than skill. Ult sucks for spectators because matches are very long and tournaments can feel exhausting to watch two people either mash buttons or camp without a huge amount of strategy going on since the sport is more about execution than strategy. nd Ult sucks for TOs because not only matche can be tough to identify fair play but the nature of the game has the high bracket players often be unintereting because of Ult's meta and match ups.
I'm of the opinion that "smash 4" is easier to type than "sm4sh" and that sm4sh is a bad abbreviation
i hate the pronunciation as well "smuh foursh" sounds so dumb
Brawlternative jumspcare 💤
Ultimate is stale because it's six years old. By every other metric, the game hasn't been more interesting.